Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

> On Apr 8, 2019, at 12:55, 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
> 보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 8일 월요일 오전 12:18
> 받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
> 참조: mailing lyx
> 제목: Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.
>  
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:02 PM 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:
> 
> Following your advice, I did it. Here is the link:
> 
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668
> Jiwoong Jang
> Jiwoong,
> 
> As one commenter to you post noted, I'd bet that the Hangul characters in 
> your path are causing a problem with configure.py.  This may be caused by 
> your username (장지웅) and/or the won symbol (₩) used as a directory separator.
> 
> Perhaps a core LyX developer can speak to this?  I cannot open the ktug.org 
> link you gave, but do you know if that custom configure.py attempted to solve 
> this issue?
> 
> Thanks,
> Joel 
> 
> --
> Joel,
> 
> I removed Korean characters and spaces by reinstalling programs, but I don't 
> get what you mean by the won symbol.
> 
> \ is what I write for backslash, which is different from ₩ in the number of 
> horizontal lines.
> 
> I posted the result of new try in the same link:
> 
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668
> 
> Thanks,
> Jiwoong Jang

I’m currently traveling and hope to look at this when I’m home next week. 
Perhaps in the meantime someone else will identify a solution. 

Thank you for your patience. 

Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Kees Zeelenberg]

Op 08-04-19 om 12:55 schreef 장지웅(수학과):


I posted the result of new try in the same link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668

Thanks,
Jiwoong Jang


Sometimes these problems occur when one of miktex and lyx has been 
installed as administrator and the other as ordinary user (i.e. a user 
without administrative rights). In my experience it is best to install 
both as administrator; but whenever you need to reconfigure lyx, you 
must then start it as administrator.



Best,


Kees

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 8일 월요일 오전 12:18
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
참조: mailing lyx
제목: Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:02 PM 장지웅(수학과) 
mailto:wldnd1...@postech.ac.kr>> wrote:

Following your advice, I did it. Here is the link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668
Jiwoong Jang
Jiwoong,

As one commenter to you post noted, I'd bet that the Hangul characters in your 
path are causing a problem with configure.py.  This may be caused by your 
username (장지웅) and/or the won symbol (₩) used as a directory separator.

Perhaps a core LyX developer can speak to this?  I cannot open the ktug.org 
link<http://www.ktug.org/xe/index.php?mid=KTUG_open_board_srl=174234> 
you gave, but do you know if that custom configure.py attempted to solve this 
issue?

Thanks,
Joel

--
Joel,

I removed Korean characters and spaces by reinstalling programs, but I don't 
get what you mean by the won symbol.

\ is what I write for backslash, which is different from ₩ in the number of 
horizontal lines.

I posted the result of new try in the same link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668

Thanks,
Jiwoong Jang

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 4:02 PM 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:

>
> Following your advice, I did it. Here is the link:
>
>
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668
> Jiwoong Jang
>
Jiwoong,

As one commenter to you post noted, I'd bet that the Hangul characters in
your path are causing a problem with configure.py.  This may be caused by
your username (장지웅) and/or the won symbol (₩) used as a directory separator.

Perhaps a core LyX developer can speak to this?  I cannot open the ktug.org
link
 you
gave, but do you know if that custom configure.py attempted to solve this
issue?

Thanks,
Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 7일 일요일 오후 9:17
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
참조: mailing lyx
제목: Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.



On Apr 7, 2019, at 09:48, 장지웅(수학과) 
mailto:wldnd1...@postech.ac.kr>> wrote:




보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza mailto:jkule...@gmail.com>>
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 4일 목요일 오후 12:17
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
제목: Fwd: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

One person suggested the posts below.  Please reply to him and the lys-user's 
list with the results.

Thanks,
Joel


Have you tried:


https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280731/lyx-installation-error-text-class-not-found-reconfigure-or-use-without-late


or


https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Troubleshooting


B. Erkus

--



I again deleted TeXStudio and LyX, and rebooted the computer, installed MikTeX 
2.9 and LyX,

but the same result. Now I cannot come up with any idea that I could try... 
haha...


Thanks,

Jiwoong Jang

Can you create a screen recording of the process and post it so others can see 
it?  I’ve done that in the past and it’s been helpful.

Joel


Following your advice, I did it. Here is the link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668
[https://cdn.sstatic.net/Sites/tex/img/apple-touch-i...@2.png?v=eaf26b461720]<https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668>

Installing LyX: "No textclass is 
found."<https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/483668/installing-lyx-no-textclass-is-found?noredirect=1#comment1222832_483668>
About installing LyX! This is my old post. I have been trying to install LyX, 
but the same error message pops out when I excute LyX.exe as follows: LyX: No 
textclass is found LyX will onl...
tex.stackexchange.com


Thanks,
Jiwoong Jang

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

> On Apr 7, 2019, at 09:48, 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
> 보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 4일 목요일 오후 12:17
> 받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
> 제목: Fwd: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.
>  
>> One person suggested the posts below.  Please reply to him and the 
>> lys-user's list with the results.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Joel
>> 
> Have you tried:
> 
> 
> 
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280731/lyx-installation-error-text-class-not-found-reconfigure-or-use-without-late
> 
> 
> 
> or
> 
> 
> 
> https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Troubleshooting
> 
> 
> 
> B. Erkus
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> I again deleted TeXStudio and LyX, and rebooted the computer, installed 
> MikTeX 2.9 and LyX,
> but the same result. Now I cannot come up with any idea that I could try... 
> haha...
> 
> Thanks,
> Jiwoong Jang

Can you create a screen recording of the process and post it so others can see 
it?  I’ve done that in the past and it’s been helpful. 

Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 4일 목요일 오후 12:17
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
제목: Fwd: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

One person suggested the posts below.  Please reply to him and the lys-user's 
list with the results.

Thanks,
Joel


Have you tried:


https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280731/lyx-installation-error-text-class-not-found-reconfigure-or-use-without-late


or


https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Troubleshooting


B. Erkus

--



I again deleted TeXStudio and LyX, and rebooted the computer, installed MikTeX 
2.9 and LyX,

but the same result. Now I cannot come up with any idea that I could try... 
haha...


Thanks,

Jiwoong Jang

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 4일 목요일 오후 12:17
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
제목: Fwd: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

One person suggested the posts below.  Please reply to him and the lys-user's 
list with the results.

Thanks,
Joel


Have you tried:


https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280731/lyx-installation-error-text-class-not-found-reconfigure-or-use-without-late


or


https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Troubleshooting


B. Erkus

--
↓↓
Please bottom-post. Start your reply here:

I followed the instruction in the tex.stackexchange page:

C:\WINDOWS\system32>cd c:\lyx\bin

c:\Lyx\bin>lyx.exe

c:\Lyx\bin>set python path=

c:\Lyx\bin>set path=

c:\Lyx\bin>lyx.exe

c:\Lyx\bin>

but there was no change in the result, and the procedure in the wiki.lyx page 
creates should

create 4 files in the LyX folder, but created 3 files in my case, except for

the file textclass.lst. I cut and pasted them into the LyX folder in 
Application Data,

but there was also no change.


Thanks for the suggestions.


Jiwoong Jang

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Baris Erkus]

On 03-Apr-19 3:23 AM, 장지웅(수학과) wrote:
Dear LyX users,

Hi, my name is Jiwoong, and I am trying to install LyX, which is a typewriter 
program for LaTeX, but I'm having trouble doing it.

Really I tried tons of way to do this, but the error message is the same:

LyX: No textclass is found

LyX will only have minimal functionality because no textclasses have been 
found. You can either try to reconfigure LyX normally, try to reconfigure 
without checking your LaTeX installation, or continue.

(Press the button) Reconfigure (or) Without LaTeX (or) Continue

I posted the same question on the tex.stackexchange, and the below is the link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/482526/about-installing-lyx?noredirect=1#comment1220637_482526

Inspite of thankful comments, I cannot figure why the same problem happens, and 
I now became to ask a question to LyX users.


Best regards,
Jiwoong Jang


Have you tried:


https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/280731/lyx-installation-error-text-class-not-found-reconfigure-or-use-without-late


or


https://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/Troubleshooting


B. Erkus

--
↓↓
Please bottom-post. Start your reply here:

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

Does not work, instead a different message:

The system reconfiguration has failed.
Default textclass is used but LyX may not be able to work properly. Please 
reconfigure again if needed.

Best regards,
Jiwoong Jang

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 3일 수요일 오후 2:08
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
참조: mailing lyx
제목: Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:57 PM 장지웅(수학과) 
mailto:wldnd1...@postech.ac.kr>> wrote:
There's nothing that does not work correctly while following the video.
At that time, I also downloaded MikTex 2.9 and set it up.
After then, I deleted all of them, and set up TeXLive and LyX. Why I chose 
TeXLive is because I'm used to TeXLive, rather than MikTex.

After typing "where pdflatex," the command prompt shows:
C:\texlive\2017\bin\win32\pdflatex.exe

where the installation program of LyX chose as a path to latex.exe.

Best regards,
Jiwoong Jang

When you `reconfigure` LyX (Tools -> Reconfigure) do you still have the message 
after you restart LyX?

- Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:57 PM 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:

> There's nothing that does not work correctly while following the video.
> At that time, I also downloaded MikTex 2.9 and set it up.
> After then, I deleted all of them, and set up TeXLive and LyX. Why I chose
> TeXLive is because I'm used to TeXLive, rather than MikTex.
>
> After typing "where pdflatex," the command prompt shows:
> C:\texlive\2017\bin\win32\pdflatex.exe
>
> where the installation program of LyX chose as a path to latex.exe.
>
> Best regards,
> Jiwoong Jang
>

When you `reconfigure` LyX (Tools -> Reconfigure) do you still have the
message after you restart LyX?

- Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

There's nothing that does not work correctly while following the video.
At that time, I also downloaded MikTex 2.9 and set it up.
After then, I deleted all of them, and set up TeXLive and LyX. Why I chose 
TeXLive is because I'm used to TeXLive, rather than MikTex.

After typing "where pdflatex," the command prompt shows:
C:\texlive\2017\bin\win32\pdflatex.exe

where the installation program of LyX chose as a path to latex.exe.

Best regards,
Jiwoong Jang

보낸 사람: Joel Kulesza 
보낸 날짜: 2019년 4월 3일 수요일 오후 1:45
받는 사람: 장지웅(수학과)
참조: mailing lyx
제목: Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:28 PM 장지웅(수학과) 
mailto:wldnd1...@postech.ac.kr>> wrote:
Dear Mr. Kulesza,

Yes, here is a link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kALm051M0iA=179s

I think the video suggests a really basic procedure.

Best regards,
jiwoong Jang

Jiwoong,

Please be sure to CC the mailing list so others are able to help also.

Yes, that video does show a very basic procedure.  It seems quite normal.  Is 
there anything that did not work correctly for you while following it?

If you have deleted both MikTeX and TeXLive and LyX, have you tried following 
the installation procedures again?

After you install MikTeX or TeXLive, open a Command Prompt (Start Menu -> 
cmd.exe) and type `where pdflatex`.  What does it show?

Thanks,
Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:28 PM 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:

> Dear Mr. Kulesza,
>
> Yes, here is a link:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kALm051M0iA=179s
>
> I think the video suggests a really basic procedure.
>
> Best regards,
> jiwoong Jang
>

Jiwoong,

Please be sure to CC the mailing list so others are able to help also.

Yes, that video does show a very basic procedure.  It seems quite normal.
Is there anything that did not work correctly for you while following it?

If you have deleted both MikTeX and TeXLive and LyX, have you tried
following the installation procedures again?

After you install MikTeX or TeXLive, open a Command Prompt (Start Menu ->
cmd.exe) and type `where pdflatex`.  What does it show?

Thanks,
Joel

Re: LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[Joel Kulesza]

On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 6:26 PM 장지웅(수학과)  wrote:

> Dear LyX users,
>
> Hi, my name is Jiwoong, and I am trying to install LyX, which is a
> typewriter program for LaTeX, but I'm having trouble doing it.
>
> Really I tried tons of way to do this, but the error message is the same:
>
> LyX: No textclass is found
>
> LyX will only have minimal functionality because no textclasses have been
> found. You can either try to reconfigure LyX normally, try to reconfigure
> without checking your LaTeX installation, or continue.
>
> (Press the button) Reconfigure (or) Without LaTeX (or) Continue
>
>
> I posted the same question on the tex.stackexchange, and the below is the
> link:
>
>
> https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/482526/about-installing-lyx?noredirect=1#comment1220637_482526
>
> Inspite of thankful comments, I cannot figure why the same problem
> happens, and I now became to ask a question to LyX users.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Jiwoong Jang
>
>
Jiwoong,

Your note at StackExchange that you followed Youtube.  Which video on
Youtube did you watch?  It would be good to try reproducing what you did to
see where it might have gone wrong.

Thanks,
Joel

P.S. I wonder if publishing a series of short LyX "how to install" videos
(one for each major OS) may be something that would be helpful for new
users...

LyX installation problems on Windows 10.

[수학과]

Dear LyX users,

Hi, my name is Jiwoong, and I am trying to install LyX, which is a typewriter 
program for LaTeX, but I'm having trouble doing it.

Really I tried tons of way to do this, but the error message is the same:

LyX: No textclass is found

LyX will only have minimal functionality because no textclasses have been 
found. You can either try to reconfigure LyX normally, try to reconfigure 
without checking your LaTeX installation, or continue.

(Press the button) Reconfigure (or) Without LaTeX (or) Continue

I posted the same question on the tex.stackexchange, and the below is the link:

https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/482526/about-installing-lyx?noredirect=1#comment1220637_482526

Inspite of thankful comments, I cannot figure why the same problem happens, and 
I now became to ask a question to LyX users.


Best regards,
Jiwoong Jang

Re: lyx installation help

[Uwe Stöhr]

Am 21.06.2016 um 21:02 schrieb J. Daniel Kim:


I found an older thread and I seem to be having the same issue.  I was able to 
install and Lyx just fine on my old PC.  Now with a new PC that uses Windows 7 
64-bit, I can't get Lyx to work - doesn't seem to recognize the MikTe.

http://www.lyx.org/trac/ticket/8268#comment:6

Any idea on what I can do?  Thanks so much.


Hi Daniel,

what exactly is your problem? What is the error message? Is this with 
LyX 2.2.0?
I heard about problems with people who installed the 64it version of 
MiKTeX manually before installing LyX but i could never reproduce this 
problem. However, these people told me that it works fine when they 
uninstall MiKTeX and then use the bundle installer of LyX 2.2.0. This 
installer version installs MiKTeX for you.


regards Uwe

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler jim.koeh...@usask.cawrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but I may
still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing right now) is
running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not using any ppa's, so
I believe my version of LyX is from the regular repo's. It's version 2.0.6.
I have no trouble viewing and compiling the user's manual. Unless space is
particularly tight on your machine (or you have slow network access), I
would follow Liviu's suggestion of installing a full version of texlive. I
just checked, by running  $dpkg --list | grep texlive to see what
packages I have installed, and I can say that my installation certainly
isn't minimal (see the attached text file for the output from my machine
using that command), but it works great. After installing any new packages,
you should open LyX, and run Tools-Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then,
close LyX, re-open it, and see what you get.

How does that work for you?

Jacob
dpkg --list | grep texlive

ii  texlive-base2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Essential programs and files
ii  texlive-bibtex-extra2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: BibTeX additional styles
ii  texlive-binaries2013.20130529.30792-1ubuntu1
amd64Binaries for TeX Live
ii  texlive-extra-utils 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: TeX auxiliary programs
ii  texlive-font-utils  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics and font utilities
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Recommended fonts
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-fonts-recommended
ii  texlive-generic-extra   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic additional packages
ii  texlive-generic-recommended 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-base  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX fundamental packages
ii  texlive-latex-base-doc  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-base
ii  texlive-latex-extra 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX additional packages
ii  texlive-latex-extra-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-extra
ii  texlive-latex-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-recommended
ii  texlive-luatex  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LuaTeX packages
ii  texlive-pictures2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics, pictures, diagrams
ii  texlive-pictures-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pictures
ii  texlive-pstricks2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: PSTricks
ii  texlive-pstricks-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pstricks
ii  texlive-publishers  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Publisher styles, theses, etc.
ii  texlive-science 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Natural and computer sciences
ii  texlive-science-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-science

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Thanks Jacob,

I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine, 
which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive 
packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I 
opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then 
opened a fairly large document I'd created a few years ago using the 
then current version of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  
When I tried to view the document in dvi, I got an error message saying 
Latex error: File 'wrapfig.sty not found.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my 
home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


Jim

On 14-04-01 10:39 AM, Jacob Bishop wrote:




On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one
a 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu
13. In both cases, when installing either from a download from the
Lyx site or via the .deb repository, it installs without any
classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read
the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying it cannot find
the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in
other years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but 
I may still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing 
right now) is running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not 
using any ppa's, so I believe my version of LyX is from the regular 
repo's. It's version 2.0.6. I have no trouble viewing and compiling 
the user's manual. Unless space is particularly tight on your machine 
(or you have slow network access), I would follow Liviu's suggestion 
of installing a full version of texlive. I just checked, by running  
$dpkg --list | grep texlive to see what packages I have installed, 
and I can say that my installation certainly isn't minimal (see the 
attached text file for the output from my machine using that command), 
but it works great. After installing any new packages, you should open 
LyX, and run Tools-Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then, close LyX, 
re-open it, and see what you get.


How does that work for you?

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler jim.koeh...@usask.cawrote:

  Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.



 I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine,
 which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive packages
 (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I opened Lyx, ran
 Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then opened a fairly
 large document I'd created a few years ago using the then current version
 of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view
 the document in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
 'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there I'd
like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through a
search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to install
it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them in the right
place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an easier way. In
fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already in the repositories
waiting for me to install it. The problem is I don't know which package to
install in order to get the LaTeX packages I want. Fortunately, there's a
debian utility called apt-file. It can be installed the typical way (e.g.,
$sudo apt-get install apt-file). Once installed (after running $sudo
apt-file update), you can run a command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty

I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty

which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is that you
install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then try to compile
your document. I do hope this helps.


 I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my home
 directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong,
but I believe that directory is only for local customizations to your LyX
install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can you now open and
compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Oops, forgot to reply to all!

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler jim.koeh...@usask.cawrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but I may
still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing right now) is
running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not using any ppa's, so
I believe my version of LyX is from the regular repo's. It's version 2.0.6.
I have no trouble viewing and compiling the user's manual. Unless space is
particularly tight on your machine (or you have slow network access), I
would follow Liviu's suggestion of installing a full version of texlive. I
just checked, by running  $dpkg --list | grep texlive to see what
packages I have installed, and I can say that my installation certainly
isn't minimal (see the attached text file for the output from my machine
using that command), but it works great. After installing any new packages,
you should open LyX, and run Tools-Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then,
close LyX, re-open it, and see what you get.

How does that work for you?

Jacob
dpkg --list | grep texlive

ii  texlive-base2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Essential programs and files
ii  texlive-bibtex-extra2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: BibTeX additional styles
ii  texlive-binaries2013.20130529.30792-1ubuntu1
amd64Binaries for TeX Live
ii  texlive-extra-utils 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: TeX auxiliary programs
ii  texlive-font-utils  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics and font utilities
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Recommended fonts
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-fonts-recommended
ii  texlive-generic-extra   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic additional packages
ii  texlive-generic-recommended 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-base  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX fundamental packages
ii  texlive-latex-base-doc  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-base
ii  texlive-latex-extra 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX additional packages
ii  texlive-latex-extra-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-extra
ii  texlive-latex-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-recommended
ii  texlive-luatex  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LuaTeX packages
ii  texlive-pictures2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics, pictures, diagrams
ii  texlive-pictures-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pictures
ii  texlive-pstricks2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: PSTricks
ii  texlive-pstricks-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pstricks
ii  texlive-publishers  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Publisher styles, theses, etc.
ii  texlive-science 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Natural and computer sciences
ii  texlive-science-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-science

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Thanks Jacob,

I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine, 
which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive 
packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I 
opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then 
opened a fairly large document I'd created a few years ago using the 
then current version of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  
When I tried to view the document in dvi, I got an error message saying 
Latex error: File 'wrapfig.sty not found.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my 
home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


Jim

On 14-04-01 10:39 AM, Jacob Bishop wrote:




On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one
a 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu
13. In both cases, when installing either from a download from the
Lyx site or via the .deb repository, it installs without any
classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read
the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying it cannot find
the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in
other years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but 
I may still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing 
right now) is running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not 
using any ppa's, so I believe my version of LyX is from the regular 
repo's. It's version 2.0.6. I have no trouble viewing and compiling 
the user's manual. Unless space is particularly tight on your machine 
(or you have slow network access), I would follow Liviu's suggestion 
of installing a full version of texlive. I just checked, by running  
$dpkg --list | grep texlive to see what packages I have installed, 
and I can say that my installation certainly isn't minimal (see the 
attached text file for the output from my machine using that command), 
but it works great. After installing any new packages, you should open 
LyX, and run Tools-Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then, close LyX, 
re-open it, and see what you get.


How does that work for you?

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler jim.koeh...@usask.cawrote:

  Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.



 I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine,
 which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive packages
 (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I opened Lyx, ran
 Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then opened a fairly
 large document I'd created a few years ago using the then current version
 of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view
 the document in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
 'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there I'd
like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through a
search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to install
it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them in the right
place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an easier way. In
fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already in the repositories
waiting for me to install it. The problem is I don't know which package to
install in order to get the LaTeX packages I want. Fortunately, there's a
debian utility called apt-file. It can be installed the typical way (e.g.,
$sudo apt-get install apt-file). Once installed (after running $sudo
apt-file update), you can run a command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty

I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty

which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is that you
install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then try to compile
your document. I do hope this helps.


 I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my home
 directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong,
but I believe that directory is only for local customizations to your LyX
install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can you now open and
compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Oops, forgot to reply to all!

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
jim.koeh...@usask.ca mailto:jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools  Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found.


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler wrote:

> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
> very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
> saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but I may
still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing right now) is
running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not using any ppa's, so
I believe my version of LyX is from the regular repo's. It's version 2.0.6.
I have no trouble viewing and compiling the user's manual. Unless space is
particularly tight on your machine (or you have slow network access), I
would follow Liviu's suggestion of installing a full version of texlive. I
just checked, by running  $dpkg --list | grep "texlive" to see what
packages I have installed, and I can say that my installation certainly
isn't minimal (see the attached text file for the output from my machine
using that command), but it works great. After installing any new packages,
you should open LyX, and run Tools->Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then,
close LyX, re-open it, and see what you get.

How does that work for you?

Jacob
dpkg --list | grep "texlive"

ii  texlive-base2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Essential programs and files
ii  texlive-bibtex-extra2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: BibTeX additional styles
ii  texlive-binaries2013.20130529.30792-1ubuntu1
amd64Binaries for TeX Live
ii  texlive-extra-utils 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: TeX auxiliary programs
ii  texlive-font-utils  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics and font utilities
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Recommended fonts
ii  texlive-fonts-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-fonts-recommended
ii  texlive-generic-extra   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic additional packages
ii  texlive-generic-recommended 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Generic recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-base  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX fundamental packages
ii  texlive-latex-base-doc  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-base
ii  texlive-latex-extra 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX additional packages
ii  texlive-latex-extra-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-extra
ii  texlive-latex-recommended   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LaTeX recommended packages
ii  texlive-latex-recommended-doc   2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-latex-recommended
ii  texlive-luatex  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: LuaTeX packages
ii  texlive-pictures2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Graphics, pictures, diagrams
ii  texlive-pictures-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pictures
ii  texlive-pstricks2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: PSTricks
ii  texlive-pstricks-doc2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-pstricks
ii  texlive-publishers  2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Publisher styles, theses, etc.
ii  texlive-science 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Natural and computer sciences
ii  texlive-science-doc 2013.20130722-1 
all  TeX Live: Documentation files for texlive-science

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Thanks Jacob,

I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine, 
which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive 
packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I 
opened Lyx, ran Tools > Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then 
opened a fairly large document I'd created a few years ago using the 
then current version of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  
When I tried to view the document in dvi, I got an error message saying 
"Latex error: File 'wrapfig.sty not found".


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my 
home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


Jim

On 14-04-01 10:39 AM, Jacob Bishop wrote:




On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 4:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
> wrote:


I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one
a 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu
13. In both cases, when installing either from a download from the
Lyx site or via the .deb repository, it installs without any
classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read
the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying it cannot find
the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in
other years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim


Hi Jim,

I don't think I've been able to follow this discussion perfectly, but 
I may still be able to help. My main machine (on which I am typing 
right now) is running 64-bit Linux Mint Cinnamon 16 (Petra). I am not 
using any ppa's, so I believe my version of LyX is from the regular 
repo's. It's version 2.0.6. I have no trouble viewing and compiling 
the user's manual. Unless space is particularly tight on your machine 
(or you have slow network access), I would follow Liviu's suggestion 
of installing a full version of texlive. I just checked, by running  
$dpkg --list | grep "texlive" to see what packages I have installed, 
and I can say that my installation certainly isn't minimal (see the 
attached text file for the output from my machine using that command), 
but it works great. After installing any new packages, you should open 
LyX, and run Tools->Reconfigure as Pavel suggested. Then, close LyX, 
re-open it, and see what you get.


How does that work for you?

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Jacob Bishop]

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler wrote:

>  Thanks Jacob,
>

You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


>
> I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main machine,
> which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all the texlive packages
> (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of HD space), I opened Lyx, ran
> Tools > Reconfigure, closed Lyx and reopened it.  I then opened a fairly
> large document I'd created a few years ago using the then current version
> of Lyx and it seemed to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view
> the document in dvi, I got an error message saying "Latex error: File
> 'wrapfig.sty not found".
>

>From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there I'd
like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through a
search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to install
it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them in the right
place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an easier way. In
fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already in the repositories
waiting for me to install it. The problem is I don't know which package to
install in order to get the LaTeX packages I want. Fortunately, there's a
debian utility called apt-file. It can be installed the typical way (e.g.,
$sudo apt-get install apt-file). Once installed (after running $sudo
apt-file update), you can run a command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty

I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: /usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty

which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is that you
install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then try to compile
your document. I do hope this helps.


> I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory my home
> directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?
>

I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong,
but I believe that directory is only for local customizations to your LyX
install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can you now open and
compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
> wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools > Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying "Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found".


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

Oops, forgot to reply to all!

Hi Jacob,

That seems to be the general fix!  It now all appears to be working 
correctly.  I must say that I really do appreciate the help I have 
gotten from you guys.


When I just now tried to create a .pdf file of this large 
document I have been working on, I got another error about a missing 
.sty file so I used the same procedure and successfully also installed 
that missing .sty file.  My .pdf file was then generated correctly.


Thanks again!!

Jim


On 14-04-01 01:10 PM, Jacob Bishop wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:56 PM, James A.R. Koehler 
> wrote:


Thanks Jacob,


You're welcome. I'm glad to help.


I am also using Mint 16 Petra but with MATE.  On my main
machine, which is the 64-bit version of Mint16, I installed all
the texlive packages (I have a fairly high-speed link and lots of
HD space), I opened Lyx, ran Tools > Reconfigure, closed Lyx and
reopened it.  I then opened a fairly large document I'd created a
few years ago using the then current version of Lyx and it seemed
to open in the editor nicely.  When I tried to view the document
in dvi, I got an error message saying "Latex error: File
'wrapfig.sty not found".


From time to time, I discover that there's a LaTeX package out there 
I'd like to use. Sometimes, I discover it from a suggestion or through 
a search, but then I have the problem that I don't know how best to 
install it. I could manually download the files from CTAN and put them 
in the right place, but that gets cumbersome, and there's usually an 
easier way. In fact, there's usually some texlive .deb package already 
in the repositories waiting for me to install it. The problem is I 
don't know which package to install in order to get the LaTeX packages 
I want. Fortunately, there's a debian utility called apt-file. It can 
be installed the typical way (e.g., $sudo apt-get install apt-file). 
Once installed (after running $sudo apt-file update), you can run a 
command like $apt-file search wrapfig.sty


I did just that, and it returned the following:

texlive-latex-extra: 
/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/latex/wrapfig/wrapfig.sty


which tells me that if I want to use wrapfig.sty, I need to have the 
package texlive-latex-extra installed. So, what I would suggest is 
that you install that package, reconfigure LyX, restart LyX, and then 
try to compile your document. I do hope this helps.


I notice that all the sub-directories under the .lyx directory
my home directory are still all empty.  Surely this is not normal?


I don't really think that's a problem. Someone may correct me if I'm 
wrong, but I believe that directory is only for local customizations 
to your LyX install, and it's perfectly fine for it to be empty. Can 
you now open and compile the help manuals? Please report back.

Jacob

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very

Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim




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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
 i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
 the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences. 

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

 
 Jim
 

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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
 Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
 i.e., it is not very useful.

 I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
 installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
 describe.

 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
 Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
 classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
 texlive-publishers?

OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
 the data.  Catch 22.

 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
 found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
 by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
 files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
 preferences.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

 FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.


 Jim


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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
  Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
  I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
  32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
  both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
  via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
  i.e., it is not very useful.
 
  I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
  installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
  describe.
 
  1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
  Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
  classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
  texlive-publishers?
 
 OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
 layout files). 

Certainly.

 Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
 consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
 may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
 is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the missing converter issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

 
 Liviu
 
 
 
  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
  up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
  the data.  Catch 22.
 
  2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
  found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
  by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
  files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
  preferences.
 
  In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
  years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
 
  Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
 
  FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
 
 
  Jim
 
 
  --
  Daniel CLEMENT
 
 
 

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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

 The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


 Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim







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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.

Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

 Jim




 On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
 I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
 it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
 way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
 few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
 all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

 Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

 Liviu


  Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
 cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
 .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim








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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very

Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim




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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
 i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
 the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences. 

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

 
 Jim
 

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
 Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
 both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
 via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
 i.e., it is not very useful.

 I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
 installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
 describe.

 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
 Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
 classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
 texlive-publishers?

OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



 If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
 up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
 the data.  Catch 22.

 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
 found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
 by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
 files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
 preferences.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

 FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.


 Jim


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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT dcleme...@laposte.net wrote:
  Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
  I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
  32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
  both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
  via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
  i.e., it is not very useful.
 
  I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
  installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
  describe.
 
  1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
  Document  Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
  classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
  texlive-publishers?
 
 OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
 layout files). 

Certainly.

 Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
 consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
 may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
 is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the missing converter issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

 
 Liviu
 
 
 
  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
  up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
  the data.  Catch 22.
 
  2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
  found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
  by default). Still, there's another error: No information to convert
  files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
  preferences.
 
  In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
  years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
 
  Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
 
  FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
 
 
  Jim
 
 
  --
  Daniel CLEMENT
 
 
 

-- 
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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

 The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


 Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim







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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:
 Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.

Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

 Jim




 On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
 I
 installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
 it
 all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
 way;
 I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
 few
 years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
 all
 the other sub-directories under .lyx

 Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

 Liviu


  Jim



 On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

 I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
 32-bit
 version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
 cases,
 when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
 .deb
 repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
 very

 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

 useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
 saying
 it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
 years,
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

 Jim








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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
jim.koeh...@usask.ca wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 32-bit
> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not very
>
Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu

> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error saying
> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years,
> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Jim
>



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
> i.e., it is not very useful.  

I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
describe. 

1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
texlive-publishers?

> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
> the data.  Catch 22.

2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
preferences". 

> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.

FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.

> 
> Jim
> 

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT  wrote:
> Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
>> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
>> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
>> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
>> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
>> i.e., it is not very useful.
>
> I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
> installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
> describe.
>
> 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
> Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
> classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
> texlive-publishers?
>
OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
layout files). Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
is likely to be a monstrous download.

Liviu



>> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
>> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
>> the data.  Catch 22.
>
> 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
> found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
> by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
> files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
> preferences".
>
>> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
>> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
>
> FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>
> --
> Daniel CLEMENT



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Daniel CLEMENT]

Le jeudi 27 mars 2014 à 08:48 +0100, Liviu Andronic a écrit :
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Daniel CLEMENT  wrote:
> > Le mercredi 26 mars 2014 à 15:00 -0700, James A.R. Koehler a écrit :
> >> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
> >> 32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In
> >> both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or
> >> via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts;
> >> i.e., it is not very useful.
> >
> > I have a brand new live USB (persistent) install of LM16, where LyX is
> > installed from Synaptic. I was able to observe but partly what you
> > describe.
> >
> > 1. There are indeed some classes missing, but on top of the list under
> > Document > Parameters there's a good 20+ choice of basic document
> > classes. Aren't the ones you miss in texlive-formats-extra or
> > texlive-publishers?
> >
> OK, this sounds more like LaTeX classes are missing (and NOT LyX
> layout files). 

Certainly.

> Which means that re-installing LyX is of no
> consequence. You should perform a full installation of TeX Live. You
> may as well start by installing 'texlive-full', but beware that this
> is likely to be a monstrous download.

Ouch! texlive-full... I wouldn't try that on a live-USB _persistent_
setup: if the persistence file ever becomes full, it locks the whole
system and one can only restart from scratch (all settings lost...)

OTTH, on a regular install, why not? Yet, it would be better if LyX
marked as dependencies just the LaTeX packages needed for previewing the
manuals.

Yet, the "missing converter" issue below is odd: is that related to a
LaTeX package?

> 
> Liviu
> 
> 
> 
> >> If I try to read the User Manual, it comes
> >> up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display
> >> the data.  Catch 22.
> >
> > 2. I had different errors. First it complained about enumitem.sty not
> > found. This could be solved by installing texlive-latex-extra (not here
> > by default). Still, there's another error: "No information to convert
> > files from eps format to pdf format. Define a converter under
> > preferences".
> >
> >> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
> >> years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
> >
> > Granted, I never had to do that under any other LyX install.
> >
> > FWIW, under Linux Mint Debian, there's no such problems.
> >
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Daniel CLEMENT
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Daniel CLEMENT

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night, I
> installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and it
> all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that way;
> I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a few
> years ago so this is very frustrating.
>
> The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are all
> the other sub-directories under .lyx
>
Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu


> Jim
>
>
>
> On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
>>> 32-bit
>>> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both cases,
>>> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the .deb
>>> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
>>> very
>>>
>> Have you tried installing from the PPA?
>>
>> https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release
>>
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
>>> saying
>>> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>>>
>>> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
>>> years,
>>> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>
>>
>



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Liviu Andronic]

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.
>
Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu

> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
>>> I
>>> installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
>>> it
>>> all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
>>> way;
>>> I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
>>> few
>>> years ago so this is very frustrating.
>>>
>>>  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
>>> all
>>> the other sub-directories under .lyx
>>>
>> Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.
>>
>> Liviu
>>
>>
>>>  Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

 On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
  wrote:
>
> I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
> 32-bit
> version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
> cases,
> when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
> .deb
> repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
> very
>
 Have you tried installing from the PPA?

 https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


 Liviu

> useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
> saying
> it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.
>
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
> years,
> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!
>
> Jim
>

>>
>>
>



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Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

No, that has 192 files in it.


On 14-03-27 09:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

Please use Reply All to keep the discussion on the list.


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:50 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

Hi,

 I did that and it just recreates all those same empty directories.


Actually the layouts directories that matter are (usually) in
/usr/share/lyx/layouts . Is that empty, too?

Liviu


Jim




On 14-03-27 07:02 AM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:17 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

Hi,

  Yes, I tried that and got exactly the same result.  Last night,
I
installed the Windows version of Lyx on a WIndows XP virtual machine and
it
all installed and ran correctly.  However, I do not want to use it that
way;
I want to run the Linux version.  I need to edit some material I wrote a
few
years ago so this is very frustrating.

  The .lyx/layouts directory is completely empty and, indeed, so are
all
the other sub-directories under .lyx


Then you can simply try to mv ~/.lyx ~/.lyx.bak and then restart LyX.

Liviu



  Jim



On 14-03-26 11:36 PM, Liviu Andronic wrote:

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:00 PM, James A.R. Koehler
 wrote:

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a
32-bit
version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In both
cases,
when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or via the
.deb
repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; i.e., it is not
very


Have you tried installing from the PPA?

https://launchpad.net/~lyx-devel/+archive/release


Liviu


useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes up with an error
saying
it cannot find the appropriate class to display the data.  Catch 22.

In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other
years,
the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Jim

Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
the data.  Catch 22.


In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!


Jim

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Pavel Sanda]

James A.R. Koehler wrote:
 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years, 
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Does Tools-Reconfigure help?
P

Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
the data.  Catch 22.


In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!


Jim

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Pavel Sanda]

James A.R. Koehler wrote:
 In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years, 
 the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Does Tools-Reconfigure help?
P

Lyx installation in Mint16

[James A.R. Koehler]

I have installed Lyx (several times!) on two Mint16 machines; one a 
32-bit version and the other 64-bit.  Mint is based on Ubuntu 13. In 
both cases, when installing either from a download from the Lyx site or 
via the .deb repository, it installs without any classes or layouts; 
i.e., it is not very useful.  If I try to read the User Manual, it comes 
up with an error saying it cannot find the appropriate class to display 
the data.  Catch 22.


In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other 
years, the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!


Jim

Re: Lyx installation in Mint16

[Pavel Sanda]

James A.R. Koehler wrote:
> In previous installations on earlier distributions of Linux in other years, 
> the installation was seamless and problem free.  Help!

Does Tools->Reconfigure help?
P

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
 On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
 have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
 OS's.

 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
 needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
 is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
 the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
 the installation package.

 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
 I would never have had a problem.LOL

 What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
 system?
 
 Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
 JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
 bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
 have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
 for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
 that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
 and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
 LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
 the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
 user gets if it's for Linux.
 
 I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
 new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
 language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
 more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
 for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
 concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
 
 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

An opinion is like a branding iron. It is one thing to hold it,
and another to press it into the skin of a friend. --James
Lileks

***

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-

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

   I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: l0f8nq$iib$1...@ger.gmane.org, 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
 On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
 Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
 have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
 OS's.

 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
 needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
 is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
 the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
 the installation package.

 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
 I would never have had a problem.LOL

 What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
 system?
 
 Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
 JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
 bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
 have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
 for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
 that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
 and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
 LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
 the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
 user gets if it's for Linux.
 
 I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
 new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
 language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
 more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
 for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
 concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
 
 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

An opinion is like a branding iron. It is one thing to hold it,
and another to press it into the skin of a friend. --James
Lileks

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
 this:

   I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, Charlie aries...@skymesh.com.au wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com sent
this:

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

snip

  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading if needed would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a Beginner's video guide or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: l0f8nq$iib$1...@ger.gmane.org, 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Dr Eberhard Lisse]

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:
> On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:
>> Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:
>>
>>> Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
>>> have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
>>>
>>> This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
>>> OS's.
>>>
>>> Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
>>> needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
>>> is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
>>> the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
>>> the installation package.
>>>
>>> If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
>>> I would never have had a problem.LOL
>>
>> What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
>> system?
> 
> Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and
> JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
> bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
> have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
> for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
> that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
> and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
> LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of
> the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
> user gets if it's for Linux.
> 
> I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
> new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
> language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
> more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
> for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie"
> concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)
> 
> 

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.

You missed the point of my post, but I don't have time to explain at the 
moment.  Work calls.  :-(



On 9/9/13 12:47 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:

Please google what RTFM measn :-)-O

el

On 2013-09-07 15:12 , Ken Springer wrote:

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different
OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program
is also included in the program's installation package.  But, when
the program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in
the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program,
I would never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX
system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac,
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system,
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of
the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the
user gets if it's for Linux.

I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. Even
more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every site
for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie"
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Charlie]

 On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
 this:

>I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.



  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.

Hope that helps you.
Charlie
-- 
Registered Linux User:- 329524
***

An opinion is like a branding iron. It is one thing to hold it,
and another to press it into the skin of a friend. --James
Lileks

***

Debian GNU/Linux - just the best way to create magic

-

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Anders Ekberg]

On 2013-09-09 15:23, "Charlie"  wrote:

> On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
> this:
>
>   >I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.
>
>
>
>  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
>  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
>  would be no need to post to the list.

If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading "if needed" would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a "Beginner's video guide" or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š

All the best!
Anders

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Eberhard, Charlie, and Anders,

I think my reply works better if I answer all of you with just the one 
reply, otherwise there would be a lot of duplication of effort on my part.


On 9/9/13 8:34 AM, Anders Ekberg wrote:

On 2013-09-09 15:23, "Charlie"  wrote:


On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 06:54:39 -0600 "Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com" sent
this:

>I've know RTFM for years, and have often used it.



  With the risk that I also might have missed the point. I think it was
  suggested that if you RTFM. Your question will be answered and there
  would be no need to post to the list.


If I understood it correctly, the point was bundling TeX and LyX. This
would probably make it easier for first-timers. But the download would be
massive, which persons who just update LyX probably would not like.
Downloading "if needed" would require a script that someone would need to
create and (not the least) maintain.

As for documentation I personally think the wiki, Tutorial and User's
guide are excellent. But I am probably blind for difficulties a beginner
faces. Unfortunately I think those that have the difficulties fresh in
mind, and are the ones that I think should update
http://wiki.lyx.org/Mac/Mac (or create a "Beginner's video guide" or
whatever they find would be helpful and is currently missing for a
beginner) are often hesitant to do this since they think they are not
experienced enough. So we have a bit of a catch 22Š


A lot of my original message, Message-ID: , 
was intended to refer to the true newbie/beginner.  I'm just too damned 
old to be a newbie! LOL


And a lot was meant to refer to the website itself, not the program or 
documentation.


Anders is correct, I was talking about the bundling of LyX and some kind 
of TeX program.  Anders brings up a point about folks who only need the 
update to LyX as opposed to someone needing the whole package.  If you 
use Windows, that's an option already.  There are two packages 
available, one for the person needing everything, like me, and one who 
only needs to update LyX.  If it can be done for Windows, why can't it 
be done for the Mac?  I don't know about any Linux versions, but I'd 
still have the same question.


I've not had the chance to check the documentation for LyX, but my 
experiences with documentation, especially on the web, is it's 
incomplete and disjointed.  There's no organization.  No index.  And my 
questions are never answered.  Neither do I get answers from forums, 
from almost anyone.  Commercial or open source.  I've been trying to get 
a networking question between OS X and Windows answered for 3 months.  I 
finally have some thing that's workable, but it's a kludge and ignores 
any and all sharing restrictions.


As for the website, or documentation for that matter, my mind always 
defaults to the lowest common denominator.  How would a person who 
doesn't know how to spell LyX respond to what is on the site?  With the 
people in my past, I'd say they would look at the site, and walk away 
from LyX.  I doubt that is what the developers would like.


If the truly new person, who found LyX using search engine, walks away 
from LyX because nothing makes any sense to them, LyX has possibly lost 
a convert.


One problem I've found with documentation is, it's almost always 
incomplete and out of date.  (Remember, this is a general impression, 
I've not had the time to read the LyX documentation.)  Even the LyX site 
appears to be out of date regarding installation under Mountain Lion. 
The site mentions ML's Gatekeeper, and how to get around it.  But the 
Gatekeeper wasn't a problem for me.  Somebody apparently fixed the 
issue, but the site is out of date on that.


I don't know if this has made anything more understandable or not, but 
I'm out of time for today.   :-(



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
 installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
 
 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
 
 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
 to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
 included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
 into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
 
 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
 never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of 
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:

 Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
 installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
 
 This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
 
 Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
 to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
 included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
 into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
 
 If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
 never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows bundle, it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work right out of 
the box, and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the newbie 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Stephan Witt]

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:

> Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
> installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.
> 
> This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.
> 
> Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed 
> to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also 
> included in the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes 
> into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the installation package.
> 
> If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
> never have had a problem.LOL

What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?

Stephan

Re: LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

On 9/7/13 3:33 AM, Stephan Witt wrote:

Am 07.09.2013 um 03:19 schrieb Ken Springer <snowsh...@q.com>:


Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also have 
installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.

This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is needed to 
make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is also included in 
the program's installation package.  But, when the program goes into OS X, the 
supporting program isn't included in the installation package.

If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I would 
never have had a problem.LOL


What support do you have in mind? The installation of a usable TeX system?


Exactly.  When you install the Windows "bundle", it includes MikTeX and 
JabRef(?), not sure if that's exactly right.  Isn't JabRef a 
bibliography thing?  (This is new to me.)  So a new user like me doesn't 
have to worry about making sure that when LyX is installed on Windows 
for the first time, it's a fully functional system.  But on the Mac, 
that doesn't happen.  The Mac LyX package does not include a TeX system, 
and I'm guessing no bibliography option.  So if a new user got a copy of 
LyX from some free software place, it's not going to work "right out of 
the box", and the user isn't going to be happy.  I don't know what the 
user gets if it's for Linux.


I just now looked a bit more at the LyX site, and it's intimidating to a 
new user, lots of things there that may as well be written in a foreign 
language if you are completely new to typography and the LyX world. 
Even more so if you are relatively new to computers.  (Something every 
site for every platform has become.  They totally ignore the "newbie" 
concept, and I'd bet turn off a lot of potential new users/converts.)



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

LyX installation packages, possibly OT

[Ken Springer]

Having resolved my issue with the LyX installation on my Mac, I also 
have installed it under Windows 7.  Also appears to work fine.


This has left me wondering about installation packages for different OS's.

Why is it, that if it's a Windows program, if a supporting program is 
needed to make the program run, in this case, the supporting program is 
also included in the program's installation package.  But, when the 
program goes into OS X, the supporting program isn't included in the 
installation package.


If the Mac LyX package for OS X had included the supporting program, I 
would never have had a problem.LOL




--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.4
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.04

Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

 

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software? 

 

Dh

Lyx installation

[Dh Mo]

Hello,

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to 
deselect the non-english language dictionaries? German, 
French and Spanish are forcibly selected and there is no 
option to not install them!! Why such an arm-twisting for 
using such a fine piece of software? 

Dh

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@princeton.edu wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
 non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
 selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
 arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

 Hi Dh,

 You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
 this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

 Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this
problem. Which Windows installers are you using? There are several
version of installers for each LyX release.

Scott

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
 non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
 selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
 arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

Hi Dh,

You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

Scott

RE: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

I am using Windows 7 (64 bit) professional edition. The installers are
downloaded directly from the lyx website, listed under 2.1 windows binaries
(Lyx-2.0.6-Bundle-2.exe / Lyx-2.0.6-Installer-2.exe).

Regards

Dh

-Original Message-
From: skost...@lyx.org [mailto:skost...@lyx.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Kostyshak
Sent: 03 July 2013 17:43
To: dhiren modi
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@princeton.edu
wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect 
 the non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are 
 forcibly selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why 
 such an arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

 Hi Dh,

 You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like 
 this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

 Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.
Which Windows installers are you using? There are several version of
installers for each LyX release.

Scott

Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

 

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software? 

 

Dh

Lyx installation

[Dh Mo]

Hello,

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to 
deselect the non-english language dictionaries? German, 
French and Spanish are forcibly selected and there is no 
option to not install them!! Why such an arm-twisting for 
using such a fine piece of software? 

Dh

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@princeton.edu wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
 non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
 selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
 arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

 Hi Dh,

 You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
 this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

 Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this
problem. Which Windows installers are you using? There are several
version of installers for each LyX release.

Scott

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
 non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
 selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
 arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

Hi Dh,

You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

Scott

RE: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

I am using Windows 7 (64 bit) professional edition. The installers are
downloaded directly from the lyx website, listed under 2.1 windows binaries
(Lyx-2.0.6-Bundle-2.exe / Lyx-2.0.6-Installer-2.exe).

Regards

Dh

-Original Message-
From: skost...@lyx.org [mailto:skost...@lyx.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Kostyshak
Sent: 03 July 2013 17:43
To: dhiren modi
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak skost...@princeton.edu
wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi dk_m1...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello,

 Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect 
 the non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are 
 forcibly selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why 
 such an arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

 Hi Dh,

 You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like 
 this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

 Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.
Which Windows installers are you using? There are several version of
installers for each LyX release.

Scott

Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

 

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software? 

 

Dh

Lyx installation

[Dh Mo]

Hello,

Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to 
deselect the non-english language dictionaries? German, 
French and Spanish are forcibly selected and there is no 
option to not install them!! Why such an arm-twisting for 
using such a fine piece of software? 

Dh

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
>> non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
>> selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
>> arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?
>
> Hi Dh,
>
> You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
> this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.
>
> Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this
problem. Which Windows installers are you using? There are several
version of installers for each LyX release.

Scott

Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[Scott Kostyshak]

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect the
> non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are forcibly
> selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why such an
> arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?

Hi Dh,

You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like
this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.

Scott

RE: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

[dhiren modi]

Hello,

I am using Windows 7 (64 bit) professional edition. The installers are
downloaded directly from the lyx website, listed under 2.1 windows binaries
(Lyx-2.0.6-Bundle-2.exe / Lyx-2.0.6-Installer-2.exe).

Regards

Dh

-Original Message-
From: skost...@lyx.org [mailto:skost...@lyx.org] On Behalf Of Scott
Kostyshak
Sent: 03 July 2013 17:43
To: dhiren modi
Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
Subject: Re: Forced Languages during Lyx Installation

On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Scott Kostyshak <skost...@princeton.edu>
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM, dhiren modi <dk_m1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Why do the windows installers(both) not offer a choice to deselect 
>> the non-english language dictionaries? German, French and Spanish are 
>> forcibly selected and there is no option to not install them!! Why 
>> such an arm-twisting for using such a fine piece of software?
>
> Hi Dh,
>
> You should always specify your OS and LyX version for questions like 
> this. For example, on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.
>
> Scott

I should have said that with LyX 2.0.6 on Ubuntu I do not have this problem.
Which Windows installers are you using? There are several version of
installers for each LyX release.

Scott

RE: Problems with LyX Installation

[Matthias Hunstig]

Hello André,

 I installed LyX (LyX-2.0.1-1) new - at my Windows 7 64 bit system.
 Before this, I installed MiKTEX (basic-miktex-2.9.4250-x64).
 
 Now, I can't create an output file (like pdf or other). I get always
 an error message.
 
 Now anyone what the problem is, respectively what I can do that it
 works?

The text of that error message might help ...

Regards

Matthias

RE: Problems with LyX Installation

[Matthias Hunstig]

Hello André,

 I installed LyX (LyX-2.0.1-1) new - at my Windows 7 64 bit system.
 Before this, I installed MiKTEX (basic-miktex-2.9.4250-x64).
 
 Now, I can't create an output file (like pdf or other). I get always
 an error message.
 
 Now anyone what the problem is, respectively what I can do that it
 works?

The text of that error message might help ...

Regards

Matthias

RE: Problems with LyX Installation

[Matthias Hunstig]

Hello André,

> I installed LyX (LyX-2.0.1-1) new - at my Windows 7 64 bit system.
> Before this, I installed MiKTEX (basic-miktex-2.9.4250-x64).
> 
> Now, I can't create an output file (like pdf or other). I get always
> an error message.
> 
> Now anyone what the problem is, respectively what I can do that it
> works?

The text of that error message might help ...

Regards

Matthias