Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread G. Milde
On  8.11.07, Joris van Zwieten wrote:

 ... how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
 source again.

* You can mark and copy the content of a math-box and insert it outside the
  math box.
  
* You can use the plain math commands to produce or edit a math formula also
  inside the math box. (E.g., when writing \alpha, the characters will
  first appear in red and after a space turn into the greek letter.) This
  is what I usually do, except for seldom used commands where it is
  faster to insert from the toolbar than to look up the syntax.
  
* You can (as already said) use the LaTeX view - either to copy the content
  or just to see where you are when editing inside the math box.
  
* You could also use ERT (don't forget the $$ then) but this gives poor
  visual feedback.

Feature request:

ERT, footnotes, boxes, and comments can be converted to text by
pressing Backspace when the cursor is at the begin of the box.

- It would be nict to have this feature for math-boxes too!
  
Guenter


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Joris van Zwieten
On Nov 9, 2007 12:05 AM, Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Joris van Zwieten schrieb:

  I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
  easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
  could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
  the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
  graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
  find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
  source again.

 You can use the menu View - Source. But LyX's math editor already has the 
 possibility to write
 LaTeX and get directly the result visually:
 Type in a formula e.g.
 \frac
 follwed by a space and you get a fraction.

 regards Uwe

Hi Siegfried, Uwe,

Thanks for your replies. I know I can type latex directly and get the
result visually. But I could not find a way to go back to the source
after I write a formula the first time. All editing then has to be
done visually, which I personally do not like much. I was wondering if
there was a way to 'toggle' between the visual representation and the
latex source of a formula.

By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? Anyhow,
Siegfried's workaround does not sound very convenient to me.
Thanks,

Joris


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting

Joris van Zwieten wrote:

Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?
  

If you don't like the math editor at all - consider
using ERT boxes instead. There you type your
math as $\alpha=1$ and it stays that way too.

If view-dvi is too slow (big document), consider using
the math editor to check formulas. Copy the formula out
from the ERT box, mark and hit ctrl+M to see if
everything is ok. Then backspace and delete the test formula.

Helge Hafting


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe



Prior to 1.5.2, you can go to Preferences - File formats, select LaTeX, 
and assign a text viewer program in the viewer slot.  (On Windows, I 
like the free TextView program.)  Save the change, and make sure that 
the app you selected is on your system path (or else provide the full 
path to it).  I think you'll need to restart LyX.  Thereafter, you 
should have LaTeX as an option on the View menu.  Unlike the 1.5.2 
feature, this will not take you directly to the position in the source 
code where your cursor lies; it will open the entire .tex file.  Still, 
I got good use out of it prior to 1.5.2.


/Paul



Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread G. Milde
On  8.11.07, Joris van Zwieten wrote:

 ... how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
 source again.

* You can mark and copy the content of a math-box and insert it outside the
  math box.
  
* You can use the plain math commands to produce or edit a math formula also
  inside the math box. (E.g., when writing \alpha, the characters will
  first appear in red and after a space turn into the greek letter.) This
  is what I usually do, except for seldom used commands where it is
  faster to insert from the toolbar than to look up the syntax.
  
* You can (as already said) use the LaTeX view - either to copy the content
  or just to see where you are when editing inside the math box.
  
* You could also use ERT (don't forget the $$ then) but this gives poor
  visual feedback.

Feature request:

ERT, footnotes, boxes, and comments can be converted to text by
pressing Backspace when the cursor is at the begin of the box.

- It would be nict to have this feature for math-boxes too!
  
Guenter


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Joris van Zwieten
On Nov 9, 2007 12:05 AM, Uwe Stöhr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Joris van Zwieten schrieb:

  I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
  easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
  could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
  the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
  graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
  find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
  source again.

 You can use the menu View - Source. But LyX's math editor already has the 
 possibility to write
 LaTeX and get directly the result visually:
 Type in a formula e.g.
 \frac
 follwed by a space and you get a fraction.

 regards Uwe

Hi Siegfried, Uwe,

Thanks for your replies. I know I can type latex directly and get the
result visually. But I could not find a way to go back to the source
after I write a formula the first time. All editing then has to be
done visually, which I personally do not like much. I was wondering if
there was a way to 'toggle' between the visual representation and the
latex source of a formula.

By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? Anyhow,
Siegfried's workaround does not sound very convenient to me.
Thanks,

Joris


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting

Joris van Zwieten wrote:

Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?
  

If you don't like the math editor at all - consider
using ERT boxes instead. There you type your
math as $\alpha=1$ and it stays that way too.

If view-dvi is too slow (big document), consider using
the math editor to check formulas. Copy the formula out
from the ERT box, mark and hit ctrl+M to see if
everything is ok. Then backspace and delete the test formula.

Helge Hafting


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe



Prior to 1.5.2, you can go to Preferences - File formats, select LaTeX, 
and assign a text viewer program in the viewer slot.  (On Windows, I 
like the free TextView program.)  Save the change, and make sure that 
the app you selected is on your system path (or else provide the full 
path to it).  I think you'll need to restart LyX.  Thereafter, you 
should have LaTeX as an option on the View menu.  Unlike the 1.5.2 
feature, this will not take you directly to the position in the source 
code where your cursor lies; it will open the entire .tex file.  Still, 
I got good use out of it prior to 1.5.2.


/Paul



Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread G. Milde
On  8.11.07, Joris van Zwieten wrote:

> ... how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
> source again.

* You can mark and copy the content of a math-box and insert it outside the
  math box.
  
* You can use the plain math commands to produce or edit a math formula also
  inside the math box. (E.g., when writing \alpha, the characters will
  first appear in red and after a space turn into the greek letter.) This
  is what I usually do, except for seldom used commands where it is
  faster to insert from the toolbar than to look up the syntax.
  
* You can (as already said) use the LaTeX view - either to copy the content
  or just to see where you are when editing inside the math box.
  
* You could also use ERT (don't forget the $$ then) but this gives poor
  visual feedback.

Feature request:

ERT, footnotes, boxes, and comments can be converted to text by
pressing  when the cursor is at the begin of the box.

-> It would be nict to have this feature for math-boxes too!
  
Guenter


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Joris van Zwieten
On Nov 9, 2007 12:05 AM, Uwe Stöhr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joris van Zwieten schrieb:
>
> > I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
> > easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
> > could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
> > the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
> > graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
> > find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
> > source again.
>
> You can use the menu View -> Source. But LyX's math editor already has the 
> possibility to write
> LaTeX and get directly the result visually:
> Type in a formula e.g.
> \frac
> follwed by a space and you get a fraction.
>
> regards Uwe

Hi Siegfried, Uwe,

Thanks for your replies. I know I can type latex directly and get the
result visually. But I could not find a way to go back to the source
after I write a formula the first time. All editing then has to be
done visually, which I personally do not like much. I was wondering if
there was a way to 'toggle' between the visual representation and the
latex source of a formula.

By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? Anyhow,
Siegfried's workaround does not sound very convenient to me.
Thanks,

Joris


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Helge Hafting

Joris van Zwieten wrote:

Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?
  

If you don't like the math editor at all - consider
using ERT boxes instead. There you type your
math as $\alpha=1$ and it stays that way too.

If view->dvi is too slow (big document), consider using
the math editor to check formulas. Copy the formula out
from the ERT box, mark and hit ctrl+M to see if
everything is ok. Then backspace and delete the "test formula".

Helge Hafting


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-09 Thread Paul A. Rubin

Uwe Stöhr wrote:

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


By the way, I'm using version 1.3.7. and I do not seem to have an
entry called 'Source' in the 'View' menu. Is this correct? 


You need LyX 1.5 for this feature. The actual version of LyX is 1.5.2.

regards Uwe



Prior to 1.5.2, you can go to Preferences -> File formats, select LaTeX, 
and assign a text viewer program in the "viewer" slot.  (On Windows, I 
like the free TextView program.)  Save the change, and make sure that 
the app you selected is on your system path (or else provide the full 
path to it).  I think you'll need to restart LyX.  Thereafter, you 
should have LaTeX as an option on the View menu.  Unlike the 1.5.2 
feature, this will not take you directly to the position in the source 
code where your cursor lies; it will open the entire .tex file.  Still, 
I got good use out of it prior to 1.5.2.


/Paul



Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL
You can use the possibility to view the LaTeX code and copy back from 
the code window into the lyx window if you want to edit the latex code.
I tried it on Windows XP, and it works ( ctrl-c   - ctrl-V to 
copy-paste the LaTeX code and ctrl-M to convert it into math.


Siegfried


toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Joris van Zwieten
Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?

Thanks,

Joris van Zwieten


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again.


You can use the menu View - Source. But LyX's math editor already has the possibility to write 
LaTeX and get directly the result visually:

Type in a formula e.g.
\frac
follwed by a space and you get a fraction.

regards Uwe


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL
You can use the possibility to view the LaTeX code and copy back from 
the code window into the lyx window if you want to edit the latex code.
I tried it on Windows XP, and it works ( ctrl-c   - ctrl-V to 
copy-paste the LaTeX code and ctrl-M to convert it into math.


Siegfried


toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Joris van Zwieten
Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?

Thanks,

Joris van Zwieten


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again.


You can use the menu View - Source. But LyX's math editor already has the possibility to write 
LaTeX and get directly the result visually:

Type in a formula e.g.
\frac
follwed by a space and you get a fraction.

regards Uwe


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Siegfried MEUNIER-GUTTIN-CLUZEL
You can use the possibility to view the LaTeX code and copy back from 
the code window into the lyx window if you want to edit the latex code.
I tried it on Windows XP, and it works ( ctrl-c   -> ctrl-V to 
copy-paste the LaTeX code and ctrl-M to convert it into math.


Siegfried


toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Joris van Zwieten
Hi,

I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again. This would be very useful, because then I could edit the
function in plain latex and toggle to graphical display again. Is this
possible in lyx?

Thanks,

Joris van Zwieten


Re: toggle math mode

2007-11-08 Thread Uwe Stöhr

Joris van Zwieten schrieb:


I'm very used to writing math in plain latex. For me, this works much
easier than using the visual math editor. In lyx, I found out that I
could write a large formula in plain latex, then select it and click
the 'math mode' button and it would convert the formula to its
graphical equivalent, which is great. However, I haven't been able to
find out how I can change from the graphical display back to the latex
source again.


You can use the menu View -> Source. But LyX's math editor already has the possibility to write 
LaTeX and get directly the result visually:

Type in a formula e.g.
\frac
follwed by a space and you get a fraction.

regards Uwe