Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Peter Vollan]

For those who run Linux, I recommend Virtual T for the job.


On Fri, 22 Oct 2021 at 11:34, AvantGuard Systems <
cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:

> TOKENIZE works! Thanks!
>
>  Curtis
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM  wrote:
>
>> Today I uploaded my TOKENIZE.EXE program and support files to the Club100
>> Member Pages (under Robert Pigford).   I hope it is helpful.  Please let me
>> know if you have problems with it and I will try to respond.
>>
>>  Bob Pigford
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *
>> b...@pigford.org
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 1:02 PM
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the note, Mike.  I did write a tokenizer program for Windows
>> boxes (TOKENIZE.EXE).  It presents a simple window with a list box showing
>> all .DO files which, when selected, will be tokenized, change the extension
>> to .BA, and save them to the same directory.  Or you can create a new name
>> for them prior to tokenization.  If you inadvertently select a real text
>> .DO file, and IIRC, the program will create an error message.
>>
>> I will try to get it up on the Member Pages on Club100 soon (will try for
>> next week).
>>
>>         Bob
>>
>> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *Mike
>> Stein
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:17 PM
>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob Pigford and I both wrote DOS/Win tokenizer programs some years ago.
>> My version (entoke.exe) is in my personal folder on the Club100 site;
>> someone (Jake?) had volunteered to convert all the mislabelled .BA files on
>> Club100 but when he lost interest so did I, so  there may still be one or
>> two very rare conditions where it gets confused.
>>
>>
>>
>> It does one program at a time; use one of the various batch methods in
>> DOS or Windows to run it across an entire folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a complementary de-tokenizer in the Club100 programs section
>> somewhere; I recall many happy hours batch converting folders of .DO type
>> files to .BA and back again for batch comparison with the original.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM AvantGuard Systems <
>> cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their
>> proper format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO
>> files, load them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them.
>> Pain in the .
>>
>> I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to
>> just recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just
>> load them into the M100.
>>
>>
>>
>> This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the
>> proper BA files on it, load them and run them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>>  Curtis
>>
>>

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[AvantGuard Systems]

TOKENIZE works! Thanks!

 Curtis

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM  wrote:

> Today I uploaded my TOKENIZE.EXE program and support files to the Club100
> Member Pages (under Robert Pigford).   I hope it is helpful.  Please let me
> know if you have problems with it and I will try to respond.
>
>  Bob Pigford
>
>
>
> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *
> b...@pigford.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 1:02 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files
>
>
>
> Thanks for the note, Mike.  I did write a tokenizer program for Windows
> boxes (TOKENIZE.EXE).  It presents a simple window with a list box showing
> all .DO files which, when selected, will be tokenized, change the extension
> to .BA, and save them to the same directory.  Or you can create a new name
> for them prior to tokenization.  If you inadvertently select a real text
> .DO file, and IIRC, the program will create an error message.
>
> I will try to get it up on the Member Pages on Club100 soon (will try for
> next week).
>
> Bob
>
> *From:* M100  *On Behalf Of *Mike Stein
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:17 PM
> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com
> *Subject:* Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files
>
>
>
> Bob Pigford and I both wrote DOS/Win tokenizer programs some years ago. My
> version (entoke.exe) is in my personal folder on the Club100 site; someone
> (Jake?) had volunteered to convert all the mislabelled .BA files on Club100
> but when he lost interest so did I, so  there may still be one or two very
> rare conditions where it gets confused.
>
>
>
> It does one program at a time; use one of the various batch methods in DOS
> or Windows to run it across an entire folder.
>
>
>
> There is a complementary de-tokenizer in the Club100 programs section
> somewhere; I recall many happy hours batch converting folders of .DO type
> files to .BA and back again for batch comparison with the original.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM AvantGuard Systems <
> cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their
> proper format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO
> files, load them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them.
> Pain in the .
>
> I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to
> just recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just
> load them into the M100.
>
>
>
> This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the
> proper BA files on it, load them and run them.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>  Curtis
>
>

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[bob]

Today I uploaded my TOKENIZE.EXE program and support files to the Club100 
Member Pages (under Robert Pigford).   I hope it is helpful.  Please let me 
know if you have problems with it and I will try to respond.

 Bob Pigford

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of b...@pigford.org
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 1:02 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

Thanks for the note, Mike.  I did write a tokenizer program for Windows boxes 
(TOKENIZE.EXE).  It presents a simple window with a list box showing all .DO 
files which, when selected, will be tokenized, change the extension to .BA, and 
save them to the same directory.  Or you can create a new name for them prior 
to tokenization.  If you inadvertently select a real text .DO file, and IIRC, 
the program will create an error message.

I will try to get it up on the Member Pages on Club100 soon (will try for next 
week).

Bob

From: M100 mailto:m100-boun...@lists.bitchin100.com> > On Behalf Of Mike Stein
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> 
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

Bob Pigford and I both wrote DOS/Win tokenizer programs some years ago. My 
version (entoke.exe) is in my personal folder on the Club100 site; someone 
(Jake?) had volunteered to convert all the mislabelled .BA files on Club100 but 
when he lost interest so did I, so  there may still be one or two very rare 
conditions where it gets confused.

 

It does one program at a time; use one of the various batch methods in DOS or 
Windows to run it across an entire folder.

 

There is a complementary de-tokenizer in the Club100 programs section 
somewhere; I recall many happy hours batch converting folders of .DO type files 
to .BA and back again for batch comparison with the original.

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM AvantGuard Systems 
mailto:cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> > 
wrote:

Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their proper 
format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO files, load 
them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them. Pain in the .

I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to just 
recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just load them 
into the M100.

 

This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the proper BA 
files on it, load them and run them.

 

Thanks!




 Curtis

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:49 PM Jeffrey Birt  wrote:

> Say you are a new owner of an M100 and you try to load ‘file.ba’ which
> shows up in the menu as ‘file.do’, what will you guess the problem is. You
> might try it again and get the same result and get pretty frustrated.
>
>
Generally, these are newb problems. And it's frustrating but the whole
thing is a learning process.

I'll say max frustration is when TS-DOS loads FILE.BA anyway and then
silently crashes your filesystem resulting in eventual crash/hang/data-loss.

If newb sees FILE.BA presented as FILE.DO it at least poses the question to
the newb's mind as to what is happening. And gives them a giant clue that
the extension on the original file was wrong. Leading to more research.

What do they do next? Probably inload FILE.DO and they will see that it has
the proper content. Then they can just load FILE.DO they will see that it
has the proper content. They can then load it from DO file into BASIC. If
it's too big to load with the DO file in RAM, maybe they will research how
to inload a DO file directly into BASIC using either the DOS LOAD"0:FILE.DO
or LOAD"COM: command.

Eventually in this learning process newb will learn the difference between
BA and DO files and the darkness is lifted.


> If I copy ‘file.ba’ to my SD card and then it does not show up as being
> on the card I will again be frustrated as I won’t know why this is
> happening.
>
>
Yes. I think that would be frustrating. But less frustrating than
crash/hang/data loss. The only real value to this option is avoiding
crash/hang/data loss and raising a question in the newb's mind for further
research (ask on list, or read the documentation).


> I have been chatting with the developer about an error message. The
> concern there is that there are a limited number of error messages that
> TS-DOS supports, and the user would need to be able to associate the error
> to what the problem was. We all know how frustrating a seemly meaningless
> error message is.
>
>
>

Yes. But fundamentally it's the user's fault. All we can do is try to give
them a route to figure out what they are doing wrong. All these proposed
ideas (including what I actually did in LaddieAlpha) have that in mind. To
help the user to figure out their mistake without actually getting the
crash/hang/data-loss.

If you go the error route, I'm not sure what error you choose matters too
much. What's important is that the user can discern the error and look it
up in the documentation for the disk service or disk client.

 Of course the other thing is what is causing this trouble... club100's
file archive. The problem is so many files have the wrong extension there.
If those were fixed, the incidents would go way down.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

Say you are a new owner of an M100 and you try to load ‘file.ba’ which shows up 
in the menu as ‘file.do’, what will you guess the problem is. You might try it 
again and get the same result and get pretty frustrated.

If I copy ‘file.ba’ to my SD card and then it does not show up as being on the 
card I will again be frustrated as I won’t know why this is happening. 

I have been chatting with the developer about an error message. The concern 
there is that there are a limited number of error messages that TS-DOS 
supports, and the user would need to be able to associate the error to what the 
problem was. We all know how frustrating a seemly meaningless error message is.

 

I do appreciate the idea.

 

Jeff Birt

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of John R. Hogerhuis
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 3:02 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

The closest thing to a perfect solution... that just works... is for the disk 
service to present the proper extension instead of the incorrect one. That's 
what Laddiealpha does. It peeks at beginning of the file to see if it's a 
binary file and automatically presents a correct extension to TSDOS. Whether 
the user knows how to load that file is a separate concern. But I figure people 
will simply ask on list.

 

Other ways to go:

 

Do not present the file at all in the directory if a mismatch is detected. The 
user will see it as a mystery but they can read their documentation or ask on 
list and the mystery will be resolved. Another idea would be to rename it in 
some way to be clearly bad like "FILE.><" So it's not just missing. 

 

Present the filename as is. But when at the protocol level the file is opened 
or on the first read then an error is returned based on inspection of the file. 
TSDOS or whatever will report the error and the user may figure it out or they 
will ask on list. I haven't explored this but theoretically it should be 
feasible.

 

Embed a tokenizer in the file server to automatically make the content match 
the extension. This won't always work. And it would have to be laptop model 
aware since 100 vs NEC tokens. 

 

-- John. 

 

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

You could use DOSBOX or some other virtual machine. They all take time to 
figure out, but it is an option.

 

Jeff Birt

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of AvantGuard Systems
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 4:11 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

In response to Mike. 

I got your entoke.exe file, but it on a Win10 computer and it only works on 
32-bit computers. Have a Win95 computer here, so maybe I'll give it a go on it. 
If Win95 isn't 16-bit

Looking forward to Bob's version!

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Greg Swallow]

Yet another option?

In efforts to get an M1 using TS-DOS over an RS-232 to bluetooth dongle. The 
problem was the need of a delayed version of TSDOS.DO. mCom's injection in a 
non-delay version. So, found an ASCII terminal for my Macbook (Cool Term) and 
verified the connect in TERM. Opened up basic and LOAD"COM:98E1N" and just sent 
the DOS.DO via the terminal app. SAVE"TSDOS.BA" and there you go. Seens the 
same steps should work with any non-tokenized file. It might work w/ a 
tokenized file too, but I have some doubt there.

God Bless,
GreoS <><

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[AvantGuard Systems]

In response to Mike.
I got your entoke.exe file, but it on a Win10 computer and it only works on
32-bit computers. Have a Win95 computer here, so maybe I'll give it a go on
it. If Win95 isn't 16-bit
Looking forward to Bob's version!

 Curtis

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 1:18 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

> The closest thing to a perfect solution... that just works... is for the
> disk service to present the proper extension instead of the incorrect one.
> That's what Laddiealpha does. It peeks at beginning of the file to see if
> it's a binary file and automatically presents a correct extension to TSDOS.
> Whether the user knows how to load that file is a separate concern. But I
> figure people will simply ask on list.
>
> Other ways to go:
>
> Do not present the file at all in the directory if a mismatch is detected.
> The user will see it as a mystery but they can read their documentation or
> ask on list and the mystery will be resolved. Another idea would be to
> rename it in some way to be clearly bad like "FILE.><" So it's not just
> missing.
>
> Present the filename as is. But when at the protocol level the file is
> opened or on the first read then an error is returned based on inspection
> of the file. TSDOS or whatever will report the error and the user may
> figure it out or they will ask on list. I haven't explored this but
> theoretically it should be feasible.
>
> Embed a tokenizer in the file server to automatically make the content
> match the extension. This won't always work. And it would have to be laptop
> model aware since 100 vs NEC tokens.
>
> -- John.
>
>

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

The closest thing to a perfect solution... that just works... is for the
disk service to present the proper extension instead of the incorrect one.
That's what Laddiealpha does. It peeks at beginning of the file to see if
it's a binary file and automatically presents a correct extension to TSDOS.
Whether the user knows how to load that file is a separate concern. But I
figure people will simply ask on list.

Other ways to go:

Do not present the file at all in the directory if a mismatch is detected.
The user will see it as a mystery but they can read their documentation or
ask on list and the mystery will be resolved. Another idea would be to
rename it in some way to be clearly bad like "FILE.><" So it's not just
missing.

Present the filename as is. But when at the protocol level the file is
opened or on the first read then an error is returned based on inspection
of the file. TSDOS or whatever will report the error and the user may
figure it out or they will ask on list. I haven't explored this but
theoretically it should be feasible.

Embed a tokenizer in the file server to automatically make the content
match the extension. This won't always work. And it would have to be laptop
model aware since 100 vs NEC tokens.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[bob]

Thanks for the note, Mike.  I did write a tokenizer program for Windows boxes 
(TOKENIZE.EXE).  It presents a simple window with a list box showing all .DO 
files which, when selected, will be tokenized, change the extension to .BA, and 
save them to the same directory.  Or you can create a new name for them prior 
to tokenization.  If you inadvertently select a real text .DO file, and IIRC, 
the program will create an error message.

I will try to get it up on the Member Pages on Club100 soon (will try for next 
week).

Bob

From: M100  On Behalf Of Mike Stein
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:17 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

Bob Pigford and I both wrote DOS/Win tokenizer programs some years ago. My 
version (entoke.exe) is in my personal folder on the Club100 site; someone 
(Jake?) had volunteered to convert all the mislabelled .BA files on Club100 but 
when he lost interest so did I, so  there may still be one or two very rare 
conditions where it gets confused.

 

It does one program at a time; use one of the various batch methods in DOS or 
Windows to run it across an entire folder.

 

There is a complementary de-tokenizer in the Club100 programs section 
somewhere; I recall many happy hours batch converting folders of .DO type files 
to .BA and back again for batch comparison with the original.

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM AvantGuard Systems 
mailto:cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> > 
wrote:

Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their proper 
format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO files, load 
them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them. Pain in the .

I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to just 
recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just load them 
into the M100.

 

This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the proper BA 
files on it, load them and run them.

 

Thanks!




 Curtis

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

These are all interesting ideas but still require the user to know ahead of 
time that the problem of mismatched extensions exists and how to work around 
it. The LOAD"0:PROG.DO” might be the easiest thing to recommend once someone 
realizes they have this problem, but then that also requires they know a bit 
more about TS-DOS.

 

Thanks for the ideas,

Jeff Birt

 

 

 

First of all there's 

 

Load"COM:98N1E

Or

 

Run"COM:98N1E

 

Even better if you are using TSDOS  I believe you just need to use it in DOS-ON 
mode.

 

LOAD"0:PROG.DO

 

should load a text encoded BASIC program in one step IIRC.

 

-- John.  

 

 

 

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

It might be possible to have the Backpack  return a TS-DOS error message if you 
try to load a .BA file is really a .DO. The choice of messages is limited 
though. If this error message were shown when you tried to load a .BA file what 
would be your first thought?

 

"Bad File Name"

 

We would mention this in the manual of course but is it more confusing, less 
confusing or the same for newbies?

 

Another option is to add to the existing file check CLI commands so it can 
identify incorrect BA/DO extensions. This would require using the CLI though.

 

The goal is to make it a better user experience. Your thoughts?

Jeff Birt

 

From: Jeffrey Birt  
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 7:58 AM
To: 'm...@bitchin100.com' 
Subject: RE: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

This would not solve the underlying problem(s).

 

A.  New users of the M100 always get bitten in the butt by this BA/DO file 
issue. 
B.  Once you learn it is a problem you still have the manual process of 
making sure the sure the extension of the file is correct. Loading a .DO as a 
.DO into RAM. Opening this .DO into BASIC and saving it as a .BA to tokenize 
it. 
C.  If it is a large program, you may not have enough RAM to hold the .DO 
and .BA versions at once. Someone on the Discord server wrote a program that 
will pull a .DO from the Backpack one line at a time, tokenize it and save it 
to RAM. This is still a manual process.
D.  If you have a number of programs you want to tokenize this manual 
process takes a lot of time.

 

The offline tokenizing programs would make short work of it though IIF one 
knows about the DO/BA issue and knows that these programs exist.

 

Jeff Birt

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of Francois Gurin
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:50 AM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

 

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 7:20 PM John R. Hogerhuis mailto:jho...@pobox.com> > wrote:

 

For example, what LaddieAlpha does is it looks at the file and determines if it 
is formatted as plain text or tokenized basic, and when, say TS-DOS requests 
the directory it presents the filename with corrected extension on the fly. 
That's one way to handle it.

 

 

Firmware update for the Backpack to do the same? ;)

 

--fg

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Francois Gurin]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 7:20 PM John R. Hogerhuis  wrote:

>
> For example, what LaddieAlpha does is it looks at the file and determines
> if it is formatted as plain text or tokenized basic, and when, say TS-DOS
> requests the directory it presents the filename with corrected extension on
> the fly. That's one way to handle it.
>


Firmware update for the Backpack to do the same? ;)

--fg

>

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

>
>
> That avoids an error, but doesn't improve convenience much. I don't
> think the load time matters much at all, but more the need to manually
> do the loading and re-saving and maybe killing the .do if you captured
> from telcom vs directly into basic.

And requires more free ram on the
> 100 along the way.
>

Yeah. But with TSDOS you can load directly from DO file on disk to current
BASIC program area. You need to turn DOS-ON mode.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Brian K. White]

On 10/20/21 8:20 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:



On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:39 PM Brian K. White > wrote:


On 10/20/21 7:21 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:

> If the goal is simply to make files load faster,

My reading of the OP was more about the inconvenience of loading
onto a
100, tokenizing, then saving back to the host.


Yes. I read it the same way... and inferred the reason to do that is 
to have them not crash the T and to load faster. But if the load time 
isn't a big deal you can avoid the whole process by just naming the 
files appropriately. No need to pretokenize files when the laptop will 
happily do it on the fly.


-- John.


That avoids an error, but doesn't improve convenience much. I don't 
think the load time matters much at all, but more the need to manually 
do the loading and re-saving and maybe killing the .do if you captured 
from telcom vs directly into basic. And requires more free ram on the 
100 along the way.


--
bkw

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:39 PM Brian K. White  wrote:

> On 10/20/21 7:21 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:
>
> > If the goal is simply to make files load faster,
>
> My reading of the OP was more about the inconvenience of loading onto a
> 100, tokenizing, then saving back to the host.
>

Yes. I read it the same way... and inferred the reason to do that is to
have them not crash the T and to load faster. But if the load time isn't a
big deal you can avoid the whole process by just naming the files
appropriately. No need to pretokenize files when the laptop will happily do
it on the fly.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Brian K. White]

On 10/20/21 7:21 PM, John R. Hogerhuis wrote:


If the goal is simply to make files load faster,


My reading of the OP was more about the inconvenience of loading onto a 
100, tokenizing, then saving back to the host.


And the answer is still exactly what you said.

--
bkw

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:07 PM Jeffrey Birt  wrote:

> Renaming the files is not the issue.
>

If when you place the files on the backpack you name ASCII formatted file
with a .DO extension and tokenized files with a BA extension (regardless of
what they were when you got them from the Internet) you will avoid
all problems.

This is what I mean when I say that renaming the files can correct the
issue.

If the goal is simply to make files load faster, then converting them en
masse to tokenized format is a reasonable goal. A command line tokenizer
like Mike or Bob's is the easiest way. This will work for nearly all files.
The only 100% way is to use the tokenizer of the Model T itself, and you
could do that by scripting out VirtualT via the debug socket.


> The issue is that many text files are incorrectly named as .BA. As you
> know if you try to load a text file labeled as .BA the M100 will try to
> tokenize it on the fly, and it is not fast enough to keep up.
>

And my habit is, when I take a BASIC file from the Internet I try to open
it in a text editor. If it has a B* extension but I can read it as plain
text, then I rename it to DO. If it looks like binary gobbledygook and it
has a .B*  extension then I assume it's BASIC.

It's not a matter of speed. It's a matter of encoding of the information.
If you have DO encoded information mislabeled as BA then the Model T
expects it to be tokenized already. It will not try to tokenize it. It will
treat as already tokenized, and will simply try to poke it straight into
RAM, which corrupts the RAM file system.

For example, what LaddieAlpha does is it looks at the file and determines
if it is formatted as plain text or tokenized basic, and when, say TS-DOS
requests the directory it presents the filename with corrected extension on
the fly. That's one way to handle it.

-- John.

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Mike Stein]

Bob Pigford and I both wrote DOS/Win tokenizer programs some years ago. My
version (entoke.exe) is in my personal folder on the Club100 site; someone
(Jake?) had volunteered to convert all the mislabelled .BA files on Club100
but when he lost interest so did I, so  there may still be one or two very
rare conditions where it gets confused.

It does one program at a time; use one of the various batch methods in DOS
or Windows to run it across an entire folder.

There is a complementary de-tokenizer in the Club100 programs section
somewhere; I recall many happy hours batch converting folders of .DO type
files to .BA and back again for batch comparison with the original.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 3:20 PM AvantGuard Systems <
cavaug...@avantguardsystems.com> wrote:

> Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their
> proper format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO
> files, load them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them.
> Pain in the .
> I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to
> just recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just
> load them into the M100.
>
> This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the
> proper BA files on it, load them and run them.
>
> Thanks!
>
>  Curtis
>

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[Jeffrey Birt]

Renaming the files is not the issue. The issue is that many text files are 
incorrectly named as .BA. As you know if you try to load a text file labeled as 
.BA the M100 will try to tokenize it on the fly, and it is not fast enough to 
keep up.

 

Jeff Birt

 

From: M100  On Behalf Of John R. Hogerhuis
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:23 PM
To: m...@bitchin100.com
Subject: Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

 

Well. Tokenized files do load faster. But aside from that I don't see the 
trouble in just naming files correctly. That's the best fix. You're using a 
Backpack... Laddiealpha autodetects and presents the correct extension itself 
if you mess up. That's the way I solved it. 

 

If you want to automate tokenization you could write a program to connect to 
VirtualT debug socket and use the real tokenizer. 

 

The other way is to use a tokenizer on the PC. I think there's one around.  But 
I'm not sure how accurate it is. 

 

-- John. 

Re: [M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[John R. Hogerhuis]

Well. Tokenized files do load faster. But aside from that I don't see the
trouble in just naming files correctly. That's the best fix. You're using a
Backpack... Laddiealpha autodetects and presents the correct extension
itself if you mess up. That's the way I solved it.

If you want to automate tokenization you could write a program to connect
to VirtualT debug socket and use the real tokenizer.

The other way is to use a tokenizer on the PC. I think there's one around.
But I'm not sure how accurate it is.

-- John.

[M100] Recompile multiple BA files

[AvantGuard Systems]

Has anyone figured a good way to recompile multiple BA files into their
proper format. What I mean is, we can take the BA files, rename them DO
files, load them into M100 and save them as BA files and then run them.
Pain in the .
I would think using VirtualT someone has figured out a sure fire way to
just recompile all BA files to their proper format, so we can then just
load them into the M100.

This would be ideal with Birt's Backpack. Then I can just put all the
proper BA files on it, load them and run them.

Thanks!

 Curtis