Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Thanks for the PDF - that looks rad! I need to check to see if my REX still has that image. (And if not, it's an easy matter to add it). It sounds like that's exactly what I was looking for - makes BASIC easier to deal with, and has an assembler. /hdan On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 12:36 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > Ah, Bitchin 100 has a ZIP file with all of the useful ROMs ready to go. > > http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download > > > I'm going to work up a BASIC/Cleuseau cheat sheet later. I want to have > all the commands in a quick, searchable, text format. The manuals are all > PDF scans, and the Cleuseau one is pretty rough (and verbose). > > My favorite commands > .RENUM (range) [TO num] [STEP num] > .MOVE (range) [TO num] [STEP num] > .COPY (range) [TO num] [STEP num] > .KILL (range) > > There's also stuff for tracing code, setting breakpoints, and packing > lines. (.MIN crunches everything to its smallest possible size. .EXPAND > makes things human readable again... etc.) > > And that's just the BASIC side. There's also an assembler side... which is > TMI for a short email. =) > . > > > > > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:15 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:57 AM Dan Higdon wrote: >> >>> Is there any documentation for Clueseau? I haven't been able to figure >>> out how to use it. >>> >> >> I found a scanned PDF here: >> https://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/cleurom2.pdf >> >> I also found the T200 Cleuseau ROM in Hex format, but I'm not sure how to >> make that loadable on Rex. I guess I need to RTFM. >> >> >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Ah, Bitchin 100 has a ZIP file with all of the useful ROMs ready to go. http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download I'm going to work up a BASIC/Cleuseau cheat sheet later. I want to have all the commands in a quick, searchable, text format. The manuals are all PDF scans, and the Cleuseau one is pretty rough (and verbose). My favorite commands .RENUM (range) [TO num] [STEP num] .MOVE (range) [TO num] [STEP num] .COPY (range) [TO num] [STEP num] .KILL (range) There's also stuff for tracing code, setting breakpoints, and packing lines. (.MIN crunches everything to its smallest possible size. .EXPAND makes things human readable again... etc.) And that's just the BASIC side. There's also an assembler side... which is TMI for a short email. =) . Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:15 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:57 AM Dan Higdon wrote: > >> Is there any documentation for Clueseau? I haven't been able to figure >> out how to use it. >> > > I found a scanned PDF here: > https://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/cleurom2.pdf > > I also found the T200 Cleuseau ROM in Hex format, but I'm not sure how to > make that loadable on Rex. I guess I need to RTFM. > >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 9:57 AM Dan Higdon wrote: > Is there any documentation for Clueseau? I haven't been able to figure out > how to use it. > I found a scanned PDF here: https://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/cleurom2.pdf I also found the T200 Cleuseau ROM in Hex format, but I'm not sure how to make that loadable on Rex. I guess I need to RTFM.
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Is there any documentation for Clueseau? I haven't been able to figure out how to use it. On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:28 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > Yay! The Rex arrived, and it's everything I'd hoped. It looks like it also > came with a copy of Cluseau, which is a pretty nice BASIC debugger and > assembler/debugger. > > Being able to switch option ROMs on the fly is super handy. (Use Clouseau > for editing and debugging BASIC, then switch to TS-DOS to upload the code > to storage.) > > So now that I have Rex working... I definitely need one for the 200 when > it arrives. > > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > >> True. I will probably tokenize the program after testing on VirtualT and >> keep one as .ba.txt and one as .ba. >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joshua O'Keefe >> wrote: >> >>> >>> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: >>> > >>> > Thanks. I was not aware of the TS-DOS resident feature. That is enough >>> to do what I want it to do. I prefer to keep my BASIC programs in ASCII >>> format while on the PC, so as long as I can tokenize on load, that great. >>> >>> That works just fine, but make sure not to name them .BA if you do. >>> LaddieAlpha protects you from exploding your memory if you do that, but not >>> everyone uses that tool, and a bad .BA can give someone a bad day if you >>> share your program. Note also that the tokenizer is a bit slow. Storing >>> your BASIC programs in .BA format instead of .DO format will make them much >>> faster to load. >>> >>> >>> -- >> Tom Wilson >> wilso...@gmail.com >> (619)940-6311 >> K6ABZ >> >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Yay! The Rex arrived, and it's everything I'd hoped. It looks like it also came with a copy of Cluseau, which is a pretty nice BASIC debugger and assembler/debugger. Being able to switch option ROMs on the fly is super handy. (Use Clouseau for editing and debugging BASIC, then switch to TS-DOS to upload the code to storage.) So now that I have Rex working... I definitely need one for the 200 when it arrives. Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:00 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > True. I will probably tokenize the program after testing on VirtualT and > keep one as .ba.txt and one as .ba. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joshua O'Keefe > wrote: > >> >> > On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: >> > >> > Thanks. I was not aware of the TS-DOS resident feature. That is enough >> to do what I want it to do. I prefer to keep my BASIC programs in ASCII >> format while on the PC, so as long as I can tokenize on load, that great. >> >> That works just fine, but make sure not to name them .BA if you do. >> LaddieAlpha protects you from exploding your memory if you do that, but not >> everyone uses that tool, and a bad .BA can give someone a bad day if you >> share your program. Note also that the tokenizer is a bit slow. Storing >> your BASIC programs in .BA format instead of .DO format will make them much >> faster to load. >> >> >> -- > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
True. I will probably tokenize the program after testing on VirtualT and keep one as .ba.txt and one as .ba. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:58 PM Joshua O'Keefe wrote: > > > On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: > > > > Thanks. I was not aware of the TS-DOS resident feature. That is enough > to do what I want it to do. I prefer to keep my BASIC programs in ASCII > format while on the PC, so as long as I can tokenize on load, that great. > > That works just fine, but make sure not to name them .BA if you do. > LaddieAlpha protects you from exploding your memory if you do that, but not > everyone uses that tool, and a bad .BA can give someone a bad day if you > share your program. Note also that the tokenizer is a bit slow. Storing > your BASIC programs in .BA format instead of .DO format will make them much > faster to load. > > > -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:53 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: > > Thanks. I was not aware of the TS-DOS resident feature. That is enough to do > what I want it to do. I prefer to keep my BASIC programs in ASCII format > while on the PC, so as long as I can tokenize on load, that great. That works just fine, but make sure not to name them .BA if you do. LaddieAlpha protects you from exploding your memory if you do that, but not everyone uses that tool, and a bad .BA can give someone a bad day if you share your program. Note also that the tokenizer is a bit slow. Storing your BASIC programs in .BA format instead of .DO format will make them much faster to load.
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Thanks. I was not aware of the TS-DOS resident feature. That is enough to do what I want it to do. I prefer to keep my BASIC programs in ASCII format while on the PC, so as long as I can tokenize on load, that great. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:42 PM John R. Hogerhuis wrote: > > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:03 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > >> This is great! With TSLOAD, I can finally talk to LaddieAlpha! Thank you, >> guys! >> >> Now for the next step... it looks like BASIC programs encoded as text get >> renamed somewhere in the process as "db" files. So "HELL1.BA" becomes >> "HELLO1.DB" when I view the file through TS-DOS. >> >> > The Model T is perfectly capable of tokenizing BASIC from text on its own. > > HELL1.BA, if it is not tokenized BASIC is incorrectly named. Generally > you should name files appropriately yourself and not attempt to inload > files with mismatched extensions with TS-DOS. > > If TS-DOS sees a file named .BA it assumes it is tokenized BASIC. If it is > actually plain text and you inload it, TS-DOS will corrupt your memory file > system by forcing it into the .BA file area in RAM. > > You've hit a failsafe in LaddieAlpha designed to protect you from crashing > your Model T and it did its job. > > >> What do I need to do to load this file into BASIC on the T-100? Do I need >> to use VirtualT to convert it to a binary BASIC file first? >> >> > First, rename it on the PC side to have the correct extension. > > Then inload it as a DO. > > Then from BASIC you can LOAD"HELL1.DO" > > Or if you have DOS-ON you can load it directly with LOAD"0:HELL1.DB" > > >> On that note... should we add an enhancement to VirtualT to save ASCII >> encoded BASIC files with something like .ba.do, instead of just .ba, when >> saving off BASIC files as ASCII? >> >> > It already supports all that. > > -- John. > -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:03 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > This is great! With TSLOAD, I can finally talk to LaddieAlpha! Thank you, > guys! > > Now for the next step... it looks like BASIC programs encoded as text get > renamed somewhere in the process as "db" files. So "HELL1.BA" becomes > "HELLO1.DB" when I view the file through TS-DOS. > > The Model T is perfectly capable of tokenizing BASIC from text on its own. HELL1.BA, if it is not tokenized BASIC is incorrectly named. Generally you should name files appropriately yourself and not attempt to inload files with mismatched extensions with TS-DOS. If TS-DOS sees a file named .BA it assumes it is tokenized BASIC. If it is actually plain text and you inload it, TS-DOS will corrupt your memory file system by forcing it into the .BA file area in RAM. You've hit a failsafe in LaddieAlpha designed to protect you from crashing your Model T and it did its job. > What do I need to do to load this file into BASIC on the T-100? Do I need > to use VirtualT to convert it to a binary BASIC file first? > > First, rename it on the PC side to have the correct extension. Then inload it as a DO. Then from BASIC you can LOAD"HELL1.DO" Or if you have DOS-ON you can load it directly with LOAD"0:HELL1.DB" > On that note... should we add an enhancement to VirtualT to save ASCII > encoded BASIC files with something like .ba.do, instead of just .ba, when > saving off BASIC files as ASCII? > > It already supports all that. -- John.
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
> On Mar 14, 2020, at 3:03 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: > Now for the next step... it looks like BASIC programs encoded as text get > renamed somewhere in the process as "db" files. So "HELL1.BA" becomes > "HELLO1.DB" when I view the file through TS-DOS. It ought to work to leave the resident portion running (DOS ON mode), exit to basic, and: LOAD"0:hello1.db" To load it straight from the disk through the tokenizer. The resident bit is really really handy, and that 0: notation works all over the place.
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
On 3/14/20 3:04 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: On that note... should we add an enhancement to VirtualT to save ASCII encoded BASIC files with something like .ba.do, instead of just .ba, when saving off BASIC files as ASCII? In VirtualT, when you save a file to the host, you can give it any name you wish. Ken
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
This is great! With TSLOAD, I can finally talk to LaddieAlpha! Thank you, guys! Now for the next step... it looks like BASIC programs encoded as text get renamed somewhere in the process as "db" files. So "HELL1.BA" becomes "HELLO1.DB" when I view the file through TS-DOS. What do I need to do to load this file into BASIC on the T-100? Do I need to use VirtualT to convert it to a binary BASIC file first? On that note... should we add an enhancement to VirtualT to save ASCII encoded BASIC files with something like .ba.do, instead of just .ba, when saving off BASIC files as ASCII? Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Thank you. =) Now I’ll go back and look for the updated TS-DOS. I’ve already got a screen full of files as I write test code, so that will be a big help. On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 7:51 AM B4 Me100 wrote: > The attached file will generate TSLOAD for the M100/102. There should be > one for the 200 but I do not have that file. > > From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson < > wilso...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: > Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 11:33 PM > To: M100 Mailing List > Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > > I can't seem to find TSLOAD can someone point me in the right > direction? > > > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:57 PM Joshua O'Keefe > wrote: > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:07 AM Tom Wilson wrote: >> >>> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best >>> option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or >>> features, like the Y2K century fix? >>> >> >> The REX should apply a Y2K fix, even if you don't do the hardware mod for >> ROM replacement. There are a few other ROMs with application software on >> them, most available from the Wiki at >> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbitchin100.com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DREX%23Option_ROM_Images_for_Download=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325445050=GlawflV040lCdKwk04RZQqE4mfG%2BDwESsfs%2F4ADmUGs%3D=0> >> with >> the exception of SARDOS, which Kurt uploaded to the member library at >> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?=0=nom=Kurt%20McCullum >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.club100.org%2Fmemfiles%2Findex.php%3F%26direction%3D0%26order%3Dnom%26directory%3DKurt%2520McCullum=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325455059=Odj5KGER%2F1BCK6lKiQDEp4IYF%2BwzOH37LXuaMzsx9GA%3D=0> >> >> I am using the fixed TS-DOS "4.10" (that works with multiple pages of >> files) that was posted to the list recently, loaded from TSLOAD in RAM. >> I was previously using TEENY because of the RAM footprint of keeping TS-DOS >> (a.k.a. DOS100.CO >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdos100.co%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325455059=wq%2BX93RrUF5qzj5rSs7j9eRlNnViKSP6RHdDN8lhCgo%3D=0>) >> available at all times, but when Kurt posted a working TSLOAD the other day >> I switched to keeping that installed instead. I couldn't find the program >> anywhere on the Internet, so it was a great boon! With TSLOAD, you keep >> the DOS100.CO >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdos100.co%2F=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325465064=SC9tst3mUiSeWiz4OsM8bTtoXr%2FrUiGa9ymLZLj8Q%2FE%3D=0> >> on "disk" and just run TSLOAD to start it off the disk whenever you need >> the to use the UI. It's a nice way to limit the weight of the DOS in >> memory when you don't have a DOS in ROM. >> >> As a relatively new user, this was kind of an interesting journey to go >> on, especially since all the latest and greatest bits aren't really all in >> one place, and while there's heaps of documentation out there it's pretty >> fragmented and sometimes assumes a bunch of prior approaches that people >> aren't using as much. When my REX shows up, I'll go through it all over >> again to learn what ROM I want to use on a primary basis. My T102 is for >> using! >> >> I'm definitely curious what kind of software and ROM loadout folks use on >> a daily driver basis. >> >>> -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
The attached file will generate TSLOAD for the M100/102. There should be one for the 200 but I do not have that file. From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson Reply-To: Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 11:33 PM To: M100 Mailing List Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > I can't seem to find TSLOAD can someone point me in the right direction? > > > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:57 PM Joshua O'Keefe > wrote: >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:07 AM Tom Wilson wrote: >>> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? >>> Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, >>> like the Y2K century fix? >> >> The REX should apply a Y2K fix, even if you don't do the hardware mod for ROM >> replacement. There are a few other ROMs with application software on them, >> most available from the Wiki at >> http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbitchin100. >> com%2Fwiki%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3DREX%23Option_ROM_Images_for_Download=02 >> %7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaa >> a%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325445050=GlawflV040lCdKwk04RZQqE4mfG%2BDwESsfs%2F >> 4ADmUGs%3D=0> with the exception of SARDOS, which Kurt uploaded to >> the member library at >> http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?=0=nom=Ku >> rt%20McCullum >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.club100 >> .org%2Fmemfiles%2Findex.php%3F%26direction%3D0%26order%3Dnom%26directory%3DKu >> rt%2520McCullum=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7f >> e9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325455059=Odj5KGER%2F1BCK6l >> KiQDEp4IYF%2BwzOH37LXuaMzsx9GA%3D=0> >> >> I am using the fixed TS-DOS "4.10" (that works with multiple pages of files) >> that was posted to the list recently, loaded from TSLOAD in RAM.I was >> previously using TEENY because of the RAM footprint of keeping TS-DOS (a.k.a. >> DOS100.CO >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdos100.co%2 >> F=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa >> aa%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325455059=wq%2BX93RrUF5qzj5rSs7j9eRlNnViK >> SP6RHdDN8lhCgo%3D=0> ) available at all times, but when Kurt posted >> a working TSLOAD the other day I switched to keeping that installed instead. >> I couldn't find the program anywhere on the Internet, so it was a great boon! >> With TSLOAD, you keep the DOS100.CO >> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdos100.co%2 >> F=02%7C01%7C%7C75096b42476348dac89808d7c7e16dad%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aa >> aa%7C1%7C0%7C637197643325465064=SC9tst3mUiSeWiz4OsM8bTtoXr%2FrU >> iGa9ymLZLj8Q%2FE%3D=0> on "disk" and just run TSLOAD to start it >> off the disk whenever you need the to use the UI. It's a nice way to limit >> the weight of the DOS in memory when you don't have a DOS in ROM. >> >> As a relatively new user, this was kind of an interesting journey to go on, >> especially since all the latest and greatest bits aren't really all in one >> place, and while there's heaps of documentation out there it's pretty >> fragmented and sometimes assumes a bunch of prior approaches that people >> aren't using as much. When my REX shows up, I'll go through it all over >> again to learn what ROM I want to use on a primary basis. My T102 is for >> using! >> >> I'm definitely curious what kind of software and ROM loadout folks use on a >> daily driver basis. TSL100[2].DO Description: Binary data
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
I can't seem to find TSLOAD can someone point me in the right direction? Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:57 PM Joshua O'Keefe wrote: > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:07 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > >> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best >> option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or >> features, like the Y2K century fix? >> > > The REX should apply a Y2K fix, even if you don't do the hardware mod for > ROM replacement. There are a few other ROMs with application software on > them, most available from the Wiki at > http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download > with > the exception of SARDOS, which Kurt uploaded to the member library at > http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?=0=nom=Kurt%20McCullum > > I am using the fixed TS-DOS "4.10" (that works with multiple pages of > files) that was posted to the list recently, loaded from TSLOAD in RAM. > I was previously using TEENY because of the RAM footprint of keeping TS-DOS > (a.k.a. DOS100.CO) available at all times, but when Kurt posted a working > TSLOAD the other day I switched to keeping that installed instead. I > couldn't find the program anywhere on the Internet, so it was a great > boon! With TSLOAD, you keep the DOS100.CO on "disk" and just run TSLOAD > to start it off the disk whenever you need the to use the UI. It's a nice > way to limit the weight of the DOS in memory when you don't have a DOS in > ROM. > > As a relatively new user, this was kind of an interesting journey to go > on, especially since all the latest and greatest bits aren't really all in > one place, and while there's heaps of documentation out there it's pretty > fragmented and sometimes assumes a bunch of prior approaches that people > aren't using as much. When my REX shows up, I'll go through it all over > again to learn what ROM I want to use on a primary basis. My T102 is for > using! > > I'm definitely curious what kind of software and ROM loadout folks use on > a daily driver basis. > >>
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:07 AM Tom Wilson wrote: > file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best > option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or > features, like the Y2K century fix? > The REX should apply a Y2K fix, even if you don't do the hardware mod for ROM replacement. There are a few other ROMs with application software on them, most available from the Wiki at http://bitchin100.com/wiki/index.php?title=REX#Option_ROM_Images_for_Download with the exception of SARDOS, which Kurt uploaded to the member library at http://www.club100.org/memfiles/index.php?=0=nom=Kurt%20McCullum I am using the fixed TS-DOS "4.10" (that works with multiple pages of files) that was posted to the list recently, loaded from TSLOAD in RAM. I was previously using TEENY because of the RAM footprint of keeping TS-DOS (a.k.a. DOS100.CO) available at all times, but when Kurt posted a working TSLOAD the other day I switched to keeping that installed instead. I couldn't find the program anywhere on the Internet, so it was a great boon! With TSLOAD, you keep the DOS100.CO on "disk" and just run TSLOAD to start it off the disk whenever you need the to use the UI. It's a nice way to limit the weight of the DOS in memory when you don't have a DOS in ROM. As a relatively new user, this was kind of an interesting journey to go on, especially since all the latest and greatest bits aren't really all in one place, and while there's heaps of documentation out there it's pretty fragmented and sometimes assumes a bunch of prior approaches that people aren't using as much. When my REX shows up, I'll go through it all over again to learn what ROM I want to use on a primary basis. My T102 is for using! I'm definitely curious what kind of software and ROM loadout folks use on a daily driver basis. >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:28 PM Mike Stein wrote: > Re the main ROM I was wondering whether it's socketed a la M100 or > soldered like the T102; sounds like it's socketed. > > Re the option ROM I was wondering whether the same OUT command as in the > 100/102 switches it in and out; I should be able to glean that from the > schematic. > > Thanks. > > isn't there a programmer's reference for this kind of stuff? Or am I just spoiled after having so much info available on the Commodore 64 and 128? Ah, there's a technical reference, but I have no idea how to assert the Y5 line from code https://ftp.whtech.com/club100/doc/t200techreference.pdf Page 2-7
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Re the main ROM I was wondering whether it's socketed a la M100 or soldered like the T102; sounds like it's socketed. Re the option ROM I was wondering whether the same OUT command as in the 100/102 switches it in and out; I should be able to glean that from the schematic. Thanks. - Original Message - From: "Brian K. White" To: Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > 200 option rom is the same socket and same pinout. > > But the main rom isn't just a 27C256. There is a 2nd chip also for > something like 40 KB total. But I don't know more than that so maybe the > 32KB main rom can still be considered like any other single chip main > rom and the extra 8k is fully separate application code (Multiplan), or > maybe there is code mixed across both chips. > > That still wouldn't prevent doing a date patch on just one chip if you > didn't change anything else, and if both date digits were in the same chip. > > But for instance the REX main rom feature docs show how it's more > complicated to disable the main rom and take over it's function, as you > have to disable 2 chips and watch 2 /CS lines that used to go to them. > This probably explains why 200 ram banks are only 24K max, not 32. > > -- > bkw > > > On 3/13/20 2:23 PM, Mike Stein wrote: >> >> Yeah, I was just wondering whether it's in a socket and if the option >> ROM mechanism is the same; sounds like yes? >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Kurt McCullum <mailto:ku...@fastmail.com> >> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com <mailto:m100@lists.bitchin100.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 2:06 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >> >> T200 is a standard 27C256 ROM. I did a patch on mine before I sold it. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >>> >>> There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100 >>> that lets you both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM >>> with the Y2K and a couple of other fixes. >>> >>> Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM, >>> not something everyone's keen or comfortable doing. >>> >>> I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require. >>> >>> m >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>> >>> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the >>> best option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs >>> that add fixes or features, like the Y2K century fix? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein >>> mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> __ >>> Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>> >>> >>> Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 >>> on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get >>> another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this >>> computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more >>> than the computer. >>> >>> I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was >>> hoping for something a little less expensive for a >>> machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look >>> pretty 90% if the time. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill >>> >> <mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com >>> <http://arcadeshopper.com> for that option rom socket >>> >>> Greg >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Wilson >>> wilso...@gmail.com <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>> (619)940-6311 >>> K6ABZ >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Wilson >>> wilso...@gmail.com <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>> (619)940-6311 >>> K6ABZ >> > > > -- > bkw
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
200 option rom is the same socket and same pinout.
But the main rom isn't just a 27C256. There is a 2nd chip also for
something like 40 KB total. But I don't know more than that so maybe the
32KB main rom can still be considered like any other single chip main
rom and the extra 8k is fully separate application code (Multiplan), or
maybe there is code mixed across both chips.
That still wouldn't prevent doing a date patch on just one chip if you
didn't change anything else, and if both date digits were in the same chip.
But for instance the REX main rom feature docs show how it's more
complicated to disable the main rom and take over it's function, as you
have to disable 2 chips and watch 2 /CS lines that used to go to them.
This probably explains why 200 ram banks are only 24K max, not 32.
--
bkw
On 3/13/20 2:23 PM, Mike Stein wrote:
Yeah, I was just wondering whether it's in a socket and if the option
ROM mechanism is the same; sounds like yes?
- Original Message -
*From:* Kurt McCullum <mailto:ku...@fastmail.com>
*To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com <mailto:m100@lists.bitchin100.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 2:06 PM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
T200 is a standard 27C256 ROM. I did a patch on mine before I sold it.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Mike Stein wrote:
There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100
that lets you both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM
with the Y2K and a couple of other fixes.
Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM,
not something everyone's keen or comfortable doing.
I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require.
m
- Original Message -
*From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com>
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the
best option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs
that add fixes or features, like the Y2K century fix?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein
mailto:mhs.st...@gmail.com>> wrote:
__
Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use?
- Original Message -
*From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com>
*To:* m...@bitchin100.com <mailto:m...@bitchin100.com>
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM
*Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200
on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get
another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this
computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more
than the computer.
I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was
hoping for something a little less expensive for a
machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look
pretty 90% if the time.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill
mailto:arcadeshop...@gmail.com>> wrote:
rex is available at arcadeshopper.com
<http://arcadeshopper.com> for that option rom socket
Greg
--
Tom Wilson
wilso...@gmail.com <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com>
(619)940-6311
K6ABZ
--
Tom Wilson
wilso...@gmail.com <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com>
(619)940-6311
K6ABZ
--
bkw
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
It's a standard ROM socket. When I patched mine, I dumped the ROM bytes out the serial port, changed the 19 to 20 and then had a new one burned. Popped out the old ROM and inserted the new one. It was simple. The HARD part is getting that ribbon cable in and out without breaking it. Kurt On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Mike Stein wrote: > > Yeah, I was just wondering whether it's in a socket and if the option ROM > mechanism is the same; sounds like yes? > >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Kurt McCullum <mailto:ku...@fastmail.com> >> *To:* m100@lists.bitchin100.com >> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 2:06 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >> >> T200 is a standard 27C256 ROM. I did a patch on mine before I sold it. >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Mike Stein wrote: >>> >>> There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100 that lets >>> you both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM with the Y2K and a >>> couple of other fixes. >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM, not >>> something everyone's keen or comfortable doing. >>> >>> >>> I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require. >>> >>> >>> m >>>> - Original Message - >>>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>>> >>>> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best >>>> option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or >>>> features, like the Y2K century fix? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: >>>>> __ >>>>> Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m >>>>>> trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on >>>>>> both this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the >>>>>> computer. >>>>>> >>>>>> I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for >>>>>> something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on >>>>>> the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Wilson >>>>>> wilso...@gmail.com >>>>>> (619)940-6311 >>>>>> K6ABZ >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Wilson >>>> wilso...@gmail.com >>>> (619)940-6311 >>>> K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Yeah, I was just wondering whether it's in a socket and if the option ROM mechanism is the same; sounds like yes? - Original Message - From: Kurt McCullum To: m100@lists.bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! T200 is a standard 27C256 ROM. I did a patch on mine before I sold it. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Mike Stein wrote: There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100 that lets you both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM with the Y2K and a couple of other fixes. Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM, not something everyone's keen or comfortable doing. I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require. m - Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, like the Y2K century fix? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? - Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the computer. I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill wrote: rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket Greg -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
T200 is a standard 27C256 ROM. I did a patch on mine before I sold it. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:51 AM, Mike Stein wrote: > > There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100 that lets you > both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM with the Y2K and a couple > of other fixes. > > Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM, not > something everyone's keen or comfortable doing. > > I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require. > > m >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >> >> file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? >> Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, >> like the Y2K century fix? >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: >>> __ >>> Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? >>> >>>> - Original Message ----- >>>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m >>>> trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both >>>> this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for >>>> something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on >>>> the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill >>>> wrote: >>>>> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket >>>>> >>>>> Greg >>>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Tom Wilson >>>> wilso...@gmail.com >>>> (619)940-6311 >>>> K6ABZ >> -- >> >> Tom Wilson >> wilso...@gmail.com >> (619)940-6311 >> K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
There's at least one solution for the two versions of the M100 that lets you both add TS-DOS in ROM and also patch the main ROM with the Y2K and a couple of other fixes. Unfortunately in the T102 it requires unsoldering the system ROM, not something everyone's keen or comfortable doing. I've never looked at the T200 to see what It would require. m - Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, like the Y2K century fix? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? - Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the computer. I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill wrote: rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket Greg -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Y2K fixes are done at the main ROM level. But the REXmanager has a way of fixing that as well. The only modern ROM that I am aware of is SARDOS. I wouldn't consider it 'new' since all it is is a combination of the SARDINE and TS-DOS ROMs into one. Gives you word processing and file transfers in one ROM. Kurt On Fri, Mar 13, 2020, at 10:07 AM, Tom Wilson wrote: > file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? > Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, > like the Y2K century fix? > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: >> __ >> Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? >> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Tom Wilson <mailto:wilso...@gmail.com> >>> *To:* m...@bitchin100.com >>> *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >>> >>> >>> Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m >>> trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both >>> this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the >>> computer. >>> >>> I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something >>> a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and >>> look pretty 90% if the time. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill >>> wrote: >>>> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket >>>> >>>> Greg >>>>>> >>> -- >>> >>> Tom Wilson >>> wilso...@gmail.com >>> (619)940-6311 >>> K6ABZ > -- > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
" Okay. Then this battery is working... which means it almost certainly is a replacement, since I can’t imagine a 32 year old NiCd holding a charge. " Probably it spent most of its life in storage with the memory power switch off. It looks fine, it's working fine, it's just old. It's not a replacement. That's the original battery. -- John.
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Teeny is what I used instead of TS-DOS before I got a REX. Very minimalist but also takes little RAM. > On Mar 13, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Tom Wilson wrote: > > > file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? > Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, > like the Y2K century fix? > > >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: > >> Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? >> >> - Original Message - >> From: Tom Wilson >> To: m...@bitchin100.com >> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! >> >> >> Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m >> trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both >> this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the >> computer. >> >> I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something >> a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and >> look pretty 90% if the time. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill >> wrote: >>> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket >>> >>> Greg >> -- >> Tom Wilson >> wilso...@gmail.com >> (619)940-6311 >> K6ABZ > -- > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Okay. Then this battery is working... which means it almost certainly is a replacement, since I can’t imagine a 32 year old NiCd holding a charge. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:06 AM B4 Me100 wrote: > If I recall that is reasonable charge level, but with only ~200-400uA > drain it could stay there for quite a while.The standby current is > ~50uA @ 3.0V or ~100uA @ 5.5V for the 8Kx8 SRAMs. > > From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson < > wilso...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: > Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 9:50 AM > To: > Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > > > Yes, 4.3v sounds right for the charge voltage of a 3 cellNiCd pack. > > So now I’m confused by why or how that circuit is holding 4.2-4.3v with no > AAs in the holder. Are there a lot of caps in that circuit? > > I have a hard time believing that a 1987 era battery is holding a charge, > but I hat the AAs out for a while with the memory switch on, and the > voltage in that circuit never dropped. > > Should I put a small load on that circuit, maybe an LED with a 200 ohm > resistor? > > -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
file transfer software is at the top of my list. Is TS-DOS the best option? Are there any really useful modern custom ROMs that add fixes or features, like the Y2K century fix? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 9:48 AM Mike Stein wrote: > Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Tom Wilson > *To:* m...@bitchin100.com > *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM > *Subject:* Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > > > Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m > trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both > this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the > computer. > > I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for > something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the > shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill > wrote: > >> rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket >> >> Greg >> >>> -- > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ > > -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
If I recall that is reasonable charge level, but with only ~200-400uA drain it could stay there for quite a while.The standby current is ~50uA @ 3.0V or ~100uA @ 5.5V for the 8Kx8 SRAMs. From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson Reply-To: Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 9:50 AM To: Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! > > Yes, 4.3v sounds right for the charge voltage of a 3 cellNiCd pack. > > So now I¹m confused by why or how that circuit is holding 4.2-4.3v with no AAs > in the holder. Are there a lot of caps in that circuit? > > I have a hard time believing that a 1987 era battery is holding a charge, but > I hat the AAs out for a while with the memory switch on, and the voltage in > that circuit never dropped. > > Should I put a small load on that circuit, maybe an LED with a 200 ohm > resistor? >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Nominal voltage for a single cell can be up to 1.5 V for a nicad. 1.45 is reasonable for full charge. [image: image.png] On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:51 PM Tom Wilson wrote: > > Yes, 4.3v sounds right for the charge voltage of a 3 cellNiCd pack. > > So now I’m confused by why or how that circuit is holding 4.2-4.3v with no > AAs in the holder. Are there a lot of caps in that circuit? > > I have a hard time believing that a 1987 era battery is holding a charge, > but I hat the AAs out for a while with the memory switch on, and the > voltage in that circuit never dropped. > > Should I put a small load on that circuit, maybe an LED with a 200 ohm > resistor? > > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Stephen Adolph > wrote: > >> my 2 cents, I think that 4.3V is common on the 3 cell NiCd when it is >> being charged by the system. After unplugging it, it will likely drop to >> 3.7 to 3.6 and hold well. >> If it is bad, it won't hold 3.6V. >> >> never bad to replace though. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM B4 Me100 wrote: >> >>> Congratulations! Welcome to the Model T102 owners club :) >>> >>> From the motherboard pic the battery looks like an original Yusa I doubt >>> it has been replaced. At 4.3V it is bad it should be around 3.7V when off >>> to allow the SRAM to drop into their lowest standby current. As Josh would >>> say it should be replaced immediately. I would also carefully check all >>> the electrolytic caps for signs of leakage or out gassing. Probably >>> replace those too while the lid is off the box they are at end of life and >>> could give trouble down the line. >>> >>> Does the battery box have signs of a battery leak? Might want to check >>> around the box to make sure it has not leaked onto the PCB sometimes they >>> have and can destroy the PCB under the battery carrier leading to RS232 >>> failure – at least on a T102 I have. >>> >>> On the ROM you might want to look at building your own. The ROM images >>> are available and with the range of available PCBs at OSH park they are >>> quite easy to build. An original ROM is quite rare and a little fragile >>> depending on how they were constructed – there seems to have been quite a >>> selection of methods used to fill that OPT ROM socket in the past :) >>> >>> From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson < >>> wilso...@gmail.com> >>> Reply-To: >>> Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:46 AM >>> To: M100 Mailing List >>> Subject: [M100] T-102 is here! >>> >>> My 102 has arrived, and she's in good shape! >>> >>> This is serial 807001339, manufactured in 1988.7 (I assume that's July), >>> and it appears that the RAM chips are all soldered in: It has 32K of RAM >>> and no empty sockets (just the empty option ROM socket.) >>> >>> Surprisingly, the backup battery appears to be brand new! I've had the >>> machine open for about half an hour now, and the battery still reads 4.3v, >>> with no AAs inserted. The soldering job on the battery is impeccable. >>> >>> On a side note... does anyone have a TS-DOS ROM? Or something that >>> includes DOS, like the Ultimate ROM? >>> >>> Picture time!! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- > Tom Wilson > wilso...@gmail.com > (619)940-6311 > K6ABZ >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Yes, 4.3v sounds right for the charge voltage of a 3 cellNiCd pack. So now I’m confused by why or how that circuit is holding 4.2-4.3v with no AAs in the holder. Are there a lot of caps in that circuit? I have a hard time believing that a 1987 era battery is holding a charge, but I hat the AAs out for a while with the memory switch on, and the voltage in that circuit never dropped. Should I put a small load on that circuit, maybe an LED with a 200 ohm resistor? On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 7:53 AM Stephen Adolph wrote: > my 2 cents, I think that 4.3V is common on the 3 cell NiCd when it is > being charged by the system. After unplugging it, it will likely drop to > 3.7 to 3.6 and hold well. > If it is bad, it won't hold 3.6V. > > never bad to replace though. > > > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM B4 Me100 wrote: > >> Congratulations! Welcome to the Model T102 owners club :) >> >> From the motherboard pic the battery looks like an original Yusa I doubt >> it has been replaced. At 4.3V it is bad it should be around 3.7V when off >> to allow the SRAM to drop into their lowest standby current. As Josh would >> say it should be replaced immediately. I would also carefully check all >> the electrolytic caps for signs of leakage or out gassing. Probably >> replace those too while the lid is off the box they are at end of life and >> could give trouble down the line. >> >> Does the battery box have signs of a battery leak? Might want to check >> around the box to make sure it has not leaked onto the PCB sometimes they >> have and can destroy the PCB under the battery carrier leading to RS232 >> failure – at least on a T102 I have. >> >> On the ROM you might want to look at building your own. The ROM images >> are available and with the range of available PCBs at OSH park they are >> quite easy to build. An original ROM is quite rare and a little fragile >> depending on how they were constructed – there seems to have been quite a >> selection of methods used to fill that OPT ROM socket in the past :) >> >> From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson < >> wilso...@gmail.com> >> Reply-To: >> Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:46 AM >> To: M100 Mailing List >> Subject: [M100] T-102 is here! >> >> My 102 has arrived, and she's in good shape! >> >> This is serial 807001339, manufactured in 1988.7 (I assume that's July), >> and it appears that the RAM chips are all soldered in: It has 32K of RAM >> and no empty sockets (just the empty option ROM socket.) >> >> Surprisingly, the backup battery appears to be brand new! I've had the >> machine open for about half an hour now, and the battery still reads 4.3v, >> with no AAs inserted. The soldering job on the battery is impeccable. >> >> On a side note... does anyone have a TS-DOS ROM? Or something that >> includes DOS, like the Ultimate ROM? >> >> Picture time!! >> >> >> >> > -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Just curious: what option ROMs do you want to use? - Original Message - From: Tom Wilson To: m...@bitchin100.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [M100] T-102 is here! Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the computer. I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill wrote: rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket Greg -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Yes, I’ve got a Rex in order. I also have a Model 200 on the way. So I’m trying to decide whether to get another Rex. I got a smoking deal on both this computer and the 200, and the Rex actually costs more than the computer. I’ll probably go ahead and get a second Rex, but i was hoping for something a little less expensive for a machine that will likely sit on the shelf and look pretty 90% if the time. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:43 AM Gregory McGill wrote: > rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket > > Greg > >> -- Tom Wilson wilso...@gmail.com (619)940-6311 K6ABZ
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
rex is available at arcadeshopper.com for that option rom socket Greg >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
my 2 cents, I think that 4.3V is common on the 3 cell NiCd when it is being charged by the system. After unplugging it, it will likely drop to 3.7 to 3.6 and hold well. If it is bad, it won't hold 3.6V. never bad to replace though. On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM B4 Me100 wrote: > Congratulations! Welcome to the Model T102 owners club :) > > From the motherboard pic the battery looks like an original Yusa I doubt > it has been replaced. At 4.3V it is bad it should be around 3.7V when off > to allow the SRAM to drop into their lowest standby current. As Josh would > say it should be replaced immediately. I would also carefully check all > the electrolytic caps for signs of leakage or out gassing. Probably > replace those too while the lid is off the box they are at end of life and > could give trouble down the line. > > Does the battery box have signs of a battery leak? Might want to check > around the box to make sure it has not leaked onto the PCB sometimes they > have and can destroy the PCB under the battery carrier leading to RS232 > failure – at least on a T102 I have. > > On the ROM you might want to look at building your own. The ROM images are > available and with the range of available PCBs at OSH park they are quite > easy to build. An original ROM is quite rare and a little fragile > depending on how they were constructed – there seems to have been quite a > selection of methods used to fill that OPT ROM socket in the past :) > > From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson < > wilso...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: > Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:46 AM > To: M100 Mailing List > Subject: [M100] T-102 is here! > > My 102 has arrived, and she's in good shape! > > This is serial 807001339, manufactured in 1988.7 (I assume that's July), > and it appears that the RAM chips are all soldered in: It has 32K of RAM > and no empty sockets (just the empty option ROM socket.) > > Surprisingly, the backup battery appears to be brand new! I've had the > machine open for about half an hour now, and the battery still reads 4.3v, > with no AAs inserted. The soldering job on the battery is impeccable. > > On a side note... does anyone have a TS-DOS ROM? Or something that > includes DOS, like the Ultimate ROM? > > Picture time!! > > > >
Re: [M100] T-102 is here!
Congratulations! Welcome to the Model T102 owners club :) >From the motherboard pic the battery looks like an original Yusa I doubt it has been replaced. At 4.3V it is bad it should be around 3.7V when off to allow the SRAM to drop into their lowest standby current. As Josh would say it should be replaced immediately. I would also carefully check all the electrolytic caps for signs of leakage or out gassing. Probably replace those too while the lid is off the box they are at end of life and could give trouble down the line. Does the battery box have signs of a battery leak? Might want to check around the box to make sure it has not leaked onto the PCB sometimes they have and can destroy the PCB under the battery carrier leading to RS232 failure at least on a T102 I have. On the ROM you might want to look at building your own. The ROM images are available and with the range of available PCBs at OSH park they are quite easy to build. An original ROM is quite rare and a little fragile depending on how they were constructed there seems to have been quite a selection of methods used to fill that OPT ROM socket in the past :) From: M100 on behalf of Tom Wilson Reply-To: Date: Friday, March 13, 2020 at 1:46 AM To: M100 Mailing List Subject: [M100] T-102 is here! > My 102 has arrived, and she's in good shape! > > This is serial 807001339, manufactured in 1988.7 (I assume that's July), and > it appears that the RAM chips are all soldered in: It has 32K of RAM and no > empty sockets (just the empty option ROM socket.) > > Surprisingly, the backup battery appears to be brand new! I've had the machine > open for about half an hour now, and the battery still reads 4.3v, with no AAs > inserted. The soldering job on the battery is impeccable. > > On a side note... does anyone have a TS-DOS ROM? Or something that includes > DOS, like the Ultimate ROM? > > Picture time!!
