Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Dear all, This is my first post to the list, with a new MacBook in hand and an unfamiliar operating system to learn. I'm approaching this from a UNIX background - mostly Linux, but I also had an account on a SUNOS (later Solaris) machine for a number of years. I'm also familiar with both Android and IOS, as well as older operating systems such as MS-DOS, and, going back further, the Apple II, for anyone who remembers DOS 3.3, ProDOS, BEX, WordTalk, etc. What are the most effective ways of reviewing and working with the OS X terminal using VoiceOver, with a braille display and speech? I've searched the list archives, where I found a recommendation to turn on the numpad in the terminal application so as to use the scrollback buffer. However, the keyboard on my laptop, as with almost every laptop that I've ever owned, doesn't include a numeric keypad. Incidentally, the machine is running OS X 10.9.3. What's the optimal way to set this up? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
I do not have a Mac Laptop but I believe there used to be an option to turn on an embedded numpad in the laptop keyboard. I can try and look this up on Google for you but from memory I think the numpad used to be embedded round the I key and you used to have to press the function key to access it. I do not know if this is a feature retained in later Mac Laptops. David Griffith -Original Message- From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jason White Sent: 20 June 2014 07:12 To: mac-access@mac-access.net Subject: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop Dear all, This is my first post to the list, with a new MacBook in hand and an unfamiliar operating system to learn. I'm approaching this from a UNIX background - mostly Linux, but I also had an account on a SUNOS (later Solaris) machine for a number of years. I'm also familiar with both Android and IOS, as well as older operating systems such as MS-DOS, and, going back further, the Apple II, for anyone who remembers DOS 3.3, ProDOS, BEX, WordTalk, etc. What are the most effective ways of reviewing and working with the OS X terminal using VoiceOver, with a braille display and speech? I've searched the list archives, where I found a recommendation to turn on the numpad in the terminal application so as to use the scrollback buffer. However, the keyboard on my laptop, as with almost every laptop that I've ever owned, doesn't include a numeric keypad. Incidentally, the machine is running OS X 10.9.3. What's the optimal way to set this up? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
RE: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
I did google it and apparently the embedded numpad has been withdrawn from recent MacBooks but the following may be of interest that I copied from a Apple support page.result. Beginning of quote . Ah, I found a way to solve my problem after some copious googling over the last few days, and I'm smacking myself in the head over how easy it is. In short, there is an preferencepane one can download called KeyRemap4MacBook, found at : http://www.pqrs.org/tekezo/macosx/keyremap4macbook/ which, once installed, enables one to remap the fn-key to fn-key-with-numlock. fn-key-with-numlock enables the missing embedded numeric keypad if one has a macbook. This isn't the only functionality KeyRemap4MacBook has, though, but it's what I was most concerned with, personally. I just used it now and it works perfect. I can still use the regular fn-key + f1..f12 as normal while using the embedded keypad. I'm feeling happy about it all now Hope others can restore their missing keypads too! End of quote I guess you have to check it does not interfere with Voiceover keys combinations though. David Griffith --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I did google it and apparently the embedded numpad has been withdrawn from recent MacBooks but the following may be of interest that I copied from a Apple support page.result. Thanks. I may be able to achieve what I need with VoiceOver commands - let's see what other Terminal application users think. Of course, if enabling numeric keypad keys turns out to be desirable, it appears there is an option for it - thanks for the reference. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Jason, Welcome. I use terminal regularly. I do not use a number pad and have a Mac book Pro. The Braille support is the same commands as voice-over. You cannot separate the braille cursor from the voice-over cursor. Hense, if you issue vi-up arrow to move up a line. The same command (function) is what occurs on the braille display. Commands I use: vo up and down arrow to navigate through the history buffer vo left and right to move by word shift vo left and right is by char of course. vo l - read current line. There isn’t any commands under voice-over that I have found which takes you to the beginning or end of the line in the buffer like there is with Speakup or Window screen readers. If you want to access via serial, you can use screen /dev/name Again, I find vo doesn’t read at the beginning of the line when using screen via a serial port to my cisco routers. I am not sure if this is a setting issue or terminal emulation. Emacs does work with Vo as well in the terminal. Sean On 20 Jun 2014, at 5:53 pm, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: David Griffith d.griff...@btinternet.com wrote: I did google it and apparently the embedded numpad has been withdrawn from recent MacBooks but the following may be of interest that I copied from a Apple support page.result. Thanks. I may be able to achieve what I need with VoiceOver commands - let's see what other Terminal application users think. Of course, if enabling numeric keypad keys turns out to be desirable, it appears there is an option for it - thanks for the reference. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Sean Murphy smur7...@bigpond.net.au wrote: Jason, Hello Sean, thank you for the advice (comments below). Commands I use: vo up and down arrow to navigate through the history buffer vo left and right to move by word shift vo left and right is by char of course. vo l - read current line. There isn’t any commands under voice-over that I have found which takes you to the beginning or end of the line in the buffer like there is with Speakup or Window screen readers. And I haven't found any that will take me to the first or last line in the buffer. VoiceOver identifies the buffer as shell text, suggesting that specific support for the terminal has been implemented. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: And I haven't found any that will take me to the first or last line in the buffer. Ctrl-option-fn-left arrow and ctrl-option-fn-right arrow, respectively, move to the top/bottom of the text in the terminal, if I'm understanding correctly. Ctrl-option-b reads from the start of the shell session, i.e., the scrollback buffer, at least in my experiments this evening. If I run, for example, a man command, speech usually stops well before it has read the entire output and I have to go back to review it. The braille display is currently connected to a Linux machine, but I'm going to try it with VoiceOver on the laptop this weekend. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
External hard disk question
I just got an external hard disk for my Mac Book Air. I would like to put all my mp3’s on it instead of DropBox. Eventually, I’d like to store some pictures from our iDevices on it too. Can I make folders for these tasks? If so, how? This is a Seagate SL drive. It didn’t come with any software and and instructions just say :click to do this or that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
hello there. you should just have to plug it in. It should see it and label it as a drive on your desktop where the main mac drive is. You can then open it and create folders in there and copy whatever you want to it. it should be already formatted if not just send another email to the list and I am sure someone can tell you how to do this. You may also have to go into preferences by hitting command and the comma from the desktop. Go into general in the toolbar and then check show external drives on desktop if it is not. Hope this helps. On Jun 20, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I just got an external hard disk for my Mac Book Air. I would like to put all my mp3’s on it instead of DropBox. Eventually, I’d like to store some pictures from our iDevices on it too. Can I make folders for these tasks? If so, how? This is a Seagate SL drive. It didn’t come with any software and and instructions just say :click to do this or that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
Okay. I see things like executable files and installers but where do you copy files to? On Jun 20, 2014, at 1:26 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: hello there. you should just have to plug it in. It should see it and label it as a drive on your desktop where the main mac drive is. You can then open it and create folders in there and copy whatever you want to it. it should be already formatted if not just send another email to the list and I am sure someone can tell you how to do this. You may also have to go into preferences by hitting command and the comma from the desktop. Go into general in the toolbar and then check show external drives on desktop if it is not. Hope this helps. On Jun 20, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: I just got an external hard disk for my Mac Book Air. I would like to put all my mp3’s on it instead of DropBox. Eventually, I’d like to store some pictures from our iDevices on it too. Can I make folders for these tasks? If so, how? This is a Seagate SL drive. It didn’t come with any software and and instructions just say :click to do this or that. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
I don’t believe you should need to worry about those files on there. That is the route directory for the drive. You can make folders there. If you think you might want to use those files at a later date you can always make a folder there and put them in it for now. It will not be a big one. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. I see things like executable files and installers but where do you copy files to? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
Okay. How do I create a folder on the external disk drive? On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: I don’t believe you should need to worry about those files on there. That is the route directory for the drive. You can make folders there. If you think you might want to use those files at a later date you can always make a folder there and put them in it for now. It will not be a big one. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. I see things like executable files and installers but where do you copy files to? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
It is the same as in any folder on the mac. Command shift N .Hope this helps. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. How do I create a folder on the external disk drive? On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: I don’t believe you should need to worry about those files on there. That is the route directory for the drive. You can make folders there. If you think you might want to use those files at a later date you can always make a folder there and put them in it for now. It will not be a big one. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. I see things like executable files and installers but where do you copy files to? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: External hard disk question
Got it. Thanks. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:56 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: It is the same as in any folder on the mac. Command shift N .Hope this helps. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. How do I create a folder on the external disk drive? On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Matthew Carello mcarell...@comcast.net wrote: I don’t believe you should need to worry about those files on there. That is the route directory for the drive. You can make folders there. If you think you might want to use those files at a later date you can always make a folder there and put them in it for now. It will not be a big one. On Jun 20, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Juaanita Marttin jordmar...@suddenlink.net wrote: Okay. I see things like executable files and installers but where do you copy files to? --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Accessing the OS X terminal with VoiceOver on a laptop
Jason, The fn vo (control option) left arrow or down arrow takes you to the top or bottom of the window or in this example the top/bottom of the buffer. control option command shift left, right, up and down arrows are meant to move to the beinging/end etc of lines. They don’t work in Terminal. Sean On 20 Jun 2014, at 9:00 pm, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: And I haven't found any that will take me to the first or last line in the buffer. Ctrl-option-fn-left arrow and ctrl-option-fn-right arrow, respectively, move to the top/bottom of the text in the terminal, if I'm understanding correctly. Ctrl-option-b reads from the start of the shell session, i.e., the scrollback buffer, at least in my experiments this evening. If I run, for example, a man command, speech usually stops well before it has read the entire output and I have to go back to review it. The braille display is currently connected to a Linux machine, but I'm going to try it with VoiceOver on the laptop this weekend. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Text edit problem
I'm having a problem with text edit on the Mac. When I open it, it seems to want to open the documents folder. How do I fix it, so that when I open it, it presemts me with the option of creating a new document. George Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Text edit problem
Acutaly if you tab over you will see the new document button. A work around is to just hit cmd w, then hit cmd n for a new document. Take care. On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 PM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I'm having a problem with text edit on the Mac. When I open it, it seems to want to open the documents folder. How do I fix it, so that when I open it, it presemts me with the option of creating a new document. George Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Text edit problem
Thanks Sarah, Can I download text edit from the Mac app store? Or is it part of the operating system? George, Sent from my iPad On 21 Jun 2014, at 2:11 pm, Sarah k Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Acutaly if you tab over you will see the new document button. A work around is to just hit cmd w, then hit cmd n for a new document. Take care. On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 PM, George Cham george.c...@mac-access.net wrote: I'm having a problem with text edit on the Mac. When I open it, it seems to want to open the documents folder. How do I fix it, so that when I open it, it presemts me with the option of creating a new document. George Sent from my iPhone --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
