Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
So, do you still then need me to do those things we discussed off list? If not then you need to let me know privately, so I can book studio time for someone else instead. Please with all due respect, don't keep me waiting any longer than necessary. Chris. - Original Message - From: Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 12:32 AM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings I'm not yet sure of 100% accessibility. Haven't got that far as yet. However, we're starting to wonder whether ProTools would be worth while for our needs as we're only wanting to do multi-track recording, mixing and editing. If Logic works, then great. My problem re ProTools is that I don't think you can buy/download on line. You have to wait for boxed shipments it seems, which I am not willing to do. Regarding the iLocker, I thought that was only for the free trial. I actually have one of those smart dongles but haven't got around to using it yet. I meant to try ProTools a while back, and again yesterday but if you cannot buy/download, then it's a damp squibb for me and I'll just have to hope that Logic works, or else resort to the less powerful tools like Reaper and Amadeus Pro. Those tools are quite powerful and I'm not knocking them. But I don't believe they have the multi-track / mixing functionality of ProTools or Logic Pro X by quite a way. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:54, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: It'd be great if Logic pro X is accessible to the point where it'll be very useful. Was considering getting protools, but with Logic being a lot cheeper, and plus, not require the iLock system for registration, which protools does, it'll be good to install on multiple macs as well. On 2013-07-17, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest
Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessibilit y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take the plunge and test it. If it works, great, so much the better for us all. If it does, I will produce an audio demo for the Sparkle Radio Techno Chat series which is broadcast from here. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessibil it y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take the plunge and test it. If it works, great, so much the better for us all. If it does, I will produce an audio demo for the Sparkle Radio Techno Chat series which is broadcast from here. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor responsibility should something unpredictable happen. Please remember to update your membership preferences periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml As the Mac Access Dot Net administrators, we do our very best to ensure that the Mac-Access E-Mal list remains malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free. However, this should in no way replace your own security strategy. We assume neither liability nor
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessibi l it y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take the plunge and test it. If it works, great, so much the better for us all. If it does, I will produce an audio demo for the Sparkle Radio Techno Chat series which is broadcast from here. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my M-Audio keyboard should work. I'm hoping to be able to create some audio content for our radio projects, amongst other things. I've been talking to a friend of mine today who runs a company which produces audio stuff for use on commercial radio and TV. If you are a Smooth Radio listener here in the UK, you'll have heard Alex's work and actually I believe he's also done some stuff for US radio organisations as well. But anyway I'm getting off the point. The point here is that Alex has told me that he's more than interested to see how this goes with regards accessib i l it y. It could be of use to him as well if I can help him with some of his work load. He uses ProTools primarily, with a 24-bit digital mixer console purchased from the BBC when they decommissioned it. That is the core of his studio setup. But he uses a lot of hardware music-creation stuff which I can only dream about! He is more than willing to help me though if this works. That's why Lynne decided to take
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too soon to get over-excited but one thing I can tell you. It supports GarageBand projects and enhances them according to the documentation. So if you've used GB to create a project, you can import it into Logic Pro X and do enhanced work. It comes with over a thousand samples, loops and virtual instruments. It is this aspect which excites me because if indeed it is fully GarargeBand compatible, then my
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
It'd be great if Logic pro X is accessible to the point where it'll be very useful. Was considering getting protools, but with Logic being a lot cheeper, and plus, not require the iLock system for registration, which protools does, it'll be good to install on multiple macs as well. On 2013-07-17, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time was Unknown, unknown, from VoiceOver. Now, I am getting the correct project status read as I scroll through the demos. Too
Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings
Hi Dan, Can you explain the iLock system? thank you, Dónal On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:54, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: It'd be great if Logic pro X is accessible to the point where it'll be very useful. Was considering getting protools, but with Logic being a lot cheeper, and plus, not require the iLock system for registration, which protools does, it'll be good to install on multiple macs as well. On 2013-07-17, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope Voiceover support is improved. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:18, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi all Well, I've only just started playing and the downloading of the additional plug-ins and sample instruments is huge, just under 50GB in total. So far, I can only say that the in initial projects window is much more accessible than the previous version of Logic Pro that I tried on my brother-in-law's Mac about a year ago. All I got that time
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I'm actually the one who did those ProTools podcasts on Applevis.and I'm at part 7 right now. I've had an extremely! extremely! busy week, and thus haven't been able to do more, but things are settling down, so I'm gonna probably either tonight or tomorrow get back to it, and continue with recording part 8. Chris. - Original Message - From: Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: Logic Pro X Initial Findings Gordon, The HD version is a software / hardware integrated solution that has been designed to work with Pro Tools Avid hardware. So avoid this version unless you have a lot of cash and want to go down this route. In the meantime, why not check out the podcasts on Apple Vis. There are about 7 of them, and I can't comment on how good or bad they are, as have not listened to them yet. You will find part 1 at: http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/look-pro-tools-mac-part-1 Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:25, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always been able to import Garage Band projects, so nothing new here. Most of the library which you download for Logic X, used to come on various DVDs with logic 9 Studio. Were you not tempted to purchase Pro Tools? Pro Tools is much more accessible on the Mac than Logic. I think Logic is fantastic value for money, so do hope
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I'm not yet sure of 100% accessibility. Haven't got that far as yet. However, we're starting to wonder whether ProTools would be worth while for our needs as we're only wanting to do multi-track recording, mixing and editing. If Logic works, then great. My problem re ProTools is that I don't think you can buy/download on line. You have to wait for boxed shipments it seems, which I am not willing to do. Regarding the iLocker, I thought that was only for the free trial. I actually have one of those smart dongles but haven't got around to using it yet. I meant to try ProTools a while back, and again yesterday but if you cannot buy/download, then it's a damp squibb for me and I'll just have to hope that Logic works, or else resort to the less powerful tools like Reaper and Amadeus Pro. Those tools are quite powerful and I'm not knocking them. But I don't believe they have the multi-track / mixing functionality of ProTools or Logic Pro X by quite a way. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:54, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: It'd be great if Logic pro X is accessible to the point where it'll be very useful. Was considering getting protools, but with Logic being a lot cheeper, and plus, not require the iLock system for registration, which protools does, it'll be good to install on multiple macs as well. On 2013-07-17, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971
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iLocier, as it's called, requires the use of a smart dongle. You create an account and then buy a dongle. More and more applications are moving towards this for their trials as it's a far more powerful way for them to enforce trials without cheating. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:58, Dónal Fitzpatrick dfitz...@computing.dcu.ie wrote: Hi Dan, Can you explain the iLock system? thank you, Dónal On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:54, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote: It'd be great if Logic pro X is accessible to the point where it'll be very useful. Was considering getting protools, but with Logic being a lot cheeper, and plus, not require the iLock system for registration, which protools does, it'll be good to install on multiple macs as well. On 2013-07-17, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as already have Logic 9 Studio which I used to use whilst I could see. Since Logic 8, you have always
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Hi Chris i have all seven parts of the podcast here actually as Chris has given us permission to use it on Sparkle Radio as well. But my problem with ProTools is that it seems you have to buy it boxed. Thanks for the clarification, I will definitely stay away from the HD version. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 22:17, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, The HD version is a software / hardware integrated solution that has been designed to work with Pro Tools Avid hardware. So avoid this version unless you have a lot of cash and want to go down this route. In the meantime, why not check out the podcasts on Apple Vis. There are about 7 of them, and I can't comment on how good or bad they are, as have not listened to them yet. You will find part 1 at: http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/look-pro-tools-mac-part-1 Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:25, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris Yes, you're correct, that's the exact keyboard I have. So great to hear that it is compatible. If that's the case I will go and look to see what the price of ProTools is and, if it's something we can afford I'll try and obtain it assuming, of course, you can buy it on line and download it. What's the difference between Protools and Protools HD? I'd imagine that I would only require ProTools unless it's going to make a huge difference. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:14, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, You have described a MIDI controller keyboard, which you probably connect via USB. This will work with all music software on Mac OS X. Pro Tools used to insist on Pro Tools compliant hardware, but even Pro Tools 9 onwards supports M Audio gear. Your keyboard will work with Logic no problem. Most MIDI controller keyboard / mother keyboards tend not to have any sound hardware built in, as it is not required. However, you can use MIDI enabled synths and workstations etc to perform the same task, but obviously these tend to cost more. Overall, Garage Band is pretty accessible, the only major hurdle is that it is not possible to edit MIDI events. Seems like a big number of us have requested improved support in this area from Apple, and I imagine a number of users have probably emailed Apple regarding Logic X. So here's hoping, as I really miss using this baby. Chris On 17 Jul 2013, at 21:01, Gordon Smith gor...@mac-access.net wrote: Hi Chris We may do that as well. But Lynne decided to take the plunge, and if this turns out to be a damp squibb, then it's we who will have paid the price I guess. ProTools is about 4 times the price, and the other aspect that made us decide to try it was because of the keyboard which I have. It's a 4 octave M-Audio keyboard which has been kind of butchered by the manufacturers so that all the synthesiser and other internal stuff is missing. It's designed to work only with GarageBand but I'm hoping it will work with Logic as well. I take your point though about importing projects. I'm just hoping that the rest of it is accessible, as in the multitrack editors and mixers etc.. If not, then we'll have to think again. I really cannot afford to pay hundreds for the software and twice as much again for the keyboard to make ProTools work properly. Kind regards --- Gordon Smith --- gor...@mac-access.net Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: http://twitter.com/maciosaccess Skype: skype:mac-access-dot-net?call -- On 17 Jul 2013, at 20:55, Chris Moore moor...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Gordon, I have not purchased Logic X yet, as
