Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
Hello Chris I would prefer to discuss this off list if that's alright. However, I'm going to answer your questions on this one occasion. if you wish to continue the discussion, that is fine. Please use the support address: supp...@mac-access.net and we will be happy to discuss with you, same goes for anybody. There is a very good reason behind the policy of not allowing forwarded messages. Actually, there are more than one; but I'll try and keep this brief. Firstly, Mac Access was established as an independent group, where people don't have to tolerate all of the issues which happen elsewhere. We do not wish to be seen as a Dumping Ground for all of that stuff which appears on similar groups. That issue is the most common reason why members who leave this group have given for doing so. They just don't want to see echoes of traffic. Further, we are very aware that many of our European and Australian members are restricted in terms of their broadband throughput. We do not think it is fair that they should have to download the same stuff over and over again. That is why we request that people remove the headers from anything they send to the group. We make very clear our policies in the policy document which we send everybody upon their subscription to this group. ignorance isn't an excuse. If people don't read the document that isn't our fault. Further, it is always available here: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html so anybody can view that document at any time. It would appear though, and I am sorry to have to say this, that the Softly Softly approach where we ask for cooperation is not working. People are simply ignoring our requests. So, when we get time, it's going to be enforced. Our technical person will sort that out. But we feel that the Softly Softly approach, where we simply issue a gentle reminder, is just not working. So henceforth, persistent offenders will be placed into moderation mode. We'd rather not do that as our life style is now very busy. But it seems we have little option. Like it or not, the policy document is going to be more rigorously enforced for the good of the group as a whole. If people which to send information to our group regarding something they think people should know about, all they need to do is write to us first and then, on the assumption that their message is okayed and the relevant consent obtained from the original author, wee will advise them as to how to proceed. That's all I want to say on list. If you wish to discuss this further, feel free to use the above reply address. Lynne On 9 Dec 2012, at 02:45, Christopher-Mark Gilland ch...@clgproductions.com wrote: I don't mean to be rude, please don't take it as such, and if I seem a bit snappy, please know, that there have been otherpet peavs tonight which have done by far and away more than tick the heck outta me, so just know before I ask this, I am not trying to sound rude, if I do. What exactly though is the point of not forwarding msgs to the list? I mean, the way I see it is, if there is useful information, then it may be worth others to read. Also, Gordon, don't take this rudely, but from an i t tech standpoint, as I am i t certified, allow me to remind you something that you probably didn't consider. Remember that copy and paste is a really nice thing. Also, I don't think it's gonna be possible to filter forwards, mainly for the reason that you could make a script, or filter, or server sided c g i, or php or whatever script to handle this by means of a boolien statement while loop, that says if this variable is true, then, delete the message, else, let it through. Then in the variable, you could say something like let variable=fw or fwd but even doing this could easily be hacked. People easily could either delete f w / fwd out of the subject field. Boom! There went your filter. Or, they could delete the forward indicator, fw, fwd, whatever, out of the subject, then could even go as far as to then just grab the mail to be forwarded, do a select all in the body, compose a new mail with command+n, type the list address, tab to the subject, call it whatever, tab to the body, and command+V, then delete the person's name from the bottom, put their name in place instead, then command+shift+D to send it off, and for all everyone else knows, it wasn't even a forward to start with. It would look as if they themselves typed it from scratch. The bottom line is, I don't see much point in this polacy, as though I understand maybe it not being good netiquet, you! all have to understand that trying to not allow this probably is gonna be very difficult to implement at best. I didn't say you and Lynn had to agree with my opinion, but at least consider it. I think you'll find, much as you both hate admitting it, I do have a very very valid point. == Gordon, Lynne And Tracy; supp...@mac-access.net
Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
Hello Glenn Actually, there was a forward on Friday. Lynne On 8 Dec 2012, at 17:59, Glenn glenner...@cableone.net wrote: I haven't received any forwarded messages that I know of. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
It has come to our attention that the practice of forwarding messages to this group is still happening, despite our repeated requests for people to desist. Forwarding messages to this group is not within our list policy. We've made this clear time and time again, but people just take no notice it seems. OK, people may forget, but it seems i'm going to have to reinforce my efforts to develop filters to prevent forwarding. I didn't want to have to do this because I had hoped for member co-operating. Everybody, without exception, agreed to abide by the list policy document which they were sent, by virtue of the fact that they remained a member of this group. However, it seems that people are either being forgetful or just disregarding our requests not to forward. OK, so this was done in the best of spirit, that isn't in dispute. But it contravenes list policy. So, I'm gong to have to find the time to develop a mechanism to prevent forwarding. I don't mean to in any way victimise anybody, nor do I mean to vilify anybody. However, this has to stop! So please, all, abide by the policy document which you were sent upon joining. If you have lost, deliberately deleted or simply didn't read that document and you'd like too, you can always find the latest revision of it here: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html Meanwhile, I will redouble my efforts to enforce compliance unilaterally. Gordon == Gordon, Lynne And Tracy; supp...@mac-access.net Telephone Support: If you need our help and we cannot resolve your issue via the E-Mail mechanism, you can arrange to call us directly – or we may be able to call you if you prefer, United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Please Note: All Support Requests By Phone Will Be Handled By Gordon. Follow Us On Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/maciosaccess Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, is a totally non-profit organisation whose aims are to assist and support sensory-impaired people who wish to get the very best out of their Apple products and services. -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
I haven't received any forwarded messages that I know of. Glenn - Original Message - From: Gordon, Lynne Tracy supp...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages! It has come to our attention that the practice of forwarding messages to this group is still happening, despite our repeated requests for people to desist. Forwarding messages to this group is not within our list policy. We've made this clear time and time again, but people just take no notice it seems. OK, people may forget, but it seems i'm going to have to reinforce my efforts to develop filters to prevent forwarding. I didn't want to have to do this because I had hoped for member co-operating. Everybody, without exception, agreed to abide by the list policy document which they were sent, by virtue of the fact that they remained a member of this group. However, it seems that people are either being forgetful or just disregarding our requests not to forward. OK, so this was done in the best of spirit, that isn't in dispute. But it contravenes list policy. So, I'm gong to have to find the time to develop a mechanism to prevent forwarding. I don't mean to in any way victimise anybody, nor do I mean to vilify anybody. However, this has to stop! So please, all, abide by the policy document which you were sent upon joining. If you have lost, deliberately deleted or simply didn't read that document and you'd like too, you can always find the latest revision of it here: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html Meanwhile, I will redouble my efforts to enforce compliance unilaterally. Gordon == Gordon, Lynne And Tracy; supp...@mac-access.net Telephone Support: If you need our help and we cannot resolve your issue via the E-Mail mechanism, you can arrange to call us directly – or we may be able to call you if you prefer, United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Please Note: All Support Requests By Phone Will Be Handled By Gordon. Follow Us On Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/maciosaccess Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, is a totally non-profit organisation whose aims are to assist and support sensory-impaired people who wish to get the very best out of their Apple products and services. -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
I don't mean to be rude, please don't take it as such, and if I seem a bit snappy, please know, that there have been otherpet peavs tonight which have done by far and away more than tick the heck outta me, so just know before I ask this, I am not trying to sound rude, if I do. What exactly though is the point of not forwarding msgs to the list? I mean, the way I see it is, if there is useful information, then it may be worth others to read. Also, Gordon, don't take this rudely, but from an i t tech standpoint, as I am i t certified, allow me to remind you something that you probably didn't consider. Remember that copy and paste is a really nice thing. Also, I don't think it's gonna be possible to filter forwards, mainly for the reason that you could make a script, or filter, or server sided c g i, or php or whatever script to handle this by means of a boolien statement while loop, that says if this variable is true, then, delete the message, else, let it through. Then in the variable, you could say something like let variable=fw or fwd but even doing this could easily be hacked. People easily could either delete f w / fwd out of the subject field. Boom! There went your filter. Or, they could delete the forward indicator, fw, fwd, whatever, out of the subject, then could even go as far as to then just grab the mail to be forwarded, do a select all in the body, compose a new mail with command+n, type the list address, tab to the subject, call it whatever, tab to the body, and command+V, then delete the person's name from the bottom, put their name in place instead, then command+shift+D to send it off, and for all everyone else knows, it wasn't even a forward to start with. It would look as if they themselves typed it from scratch. The bottom line is, I don't see much point in this polacy, as though I understand maybe it not being good netiquet, you! all have to understand that trying to not allow this probably is gonna be very difficult to implement at best. I didn't say you and Lynn had to agree with my opinion, but at least consider it. I think you'll find, much as you both hate admitting it, I do have a very very valid point. Chris. --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages!
Honestly, nor have I. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions - Original Message - From: Glenn glenner...@cableone.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 12:59 PM Subject: Re: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages! I haven't received any forwarded messages that I know of. Glenn - Original Message - From: Gordon, Lynne Tracy supp...@mac-access.net To: Mac OSX iOS Accessibility mac-access@mac-access.net Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2012 11:51 AM Subject: People: Please Stops Forwarding Messages! It has come to our attention that the practice of forwarding messages to this group is still happening, despite our repeated requests for people to desist. Forwarding messages to this group is not within our list policy. We've made this clear time and time again, but people just take no notice it seems. OK, people may forget, but it seems i'm going to have to reinforce my efforts to develop filters to prevent forwarding. I didn't want to have to do this because I had hoped for member co-operating. Everybody, without exception, agreed to abide by the list policy document which they were sent, by virtue of the fact that they remained a member of this group. However, it seems that people are either being forgetful or just disregarding our requests not to forward. OK, so this was done in the best of spirit, that isn't in dispute. But it contravenes list policy. So, I'm gong to have to find the time to develop a mechanism to prevent forwarding. I don't mean to in any way victimise anybody, nor do I mean to vilify anybody. However, this has to stop! So please, all, abide by the policy document which you were sent upon joining. If you have lost, deliberately deleted or simply didn't read that document and you'd like too, you can always find the latest revision of it here: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html Meanwhile, I will redouble my efforts to enforce compliance unilaterally. Gordon == Gordon, Lynne And Tracy; supp...@mac-access.net Telephone Support: If you need our help and we cannot resolve your issue via the E-Mail mechanism, you can arrange to call us directly – or we may be able to call you if you prefer, United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Australia: +61 38 8205930 Or: +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Please Note: All Support Requests By Phone Will Be Handled By Gordon. Follow Us On Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/maciosaccess Mac Access Dot Net; The British Mac Accessibility Network, is a totally non-profit organisation whose aims are to assist and support sensory-impaired people who wish to get the very best out of their Apple products and services. -- --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ --- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access@mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages postedto the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html or at the public Mail Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/. Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/maillist.xml The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan
