Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Bryan Jones 
Hello Eric,
You wrote:
> Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go! 
>  I'll wait to see what happens!

Well, since you put it that way. . I had one of the first white macbooks, 
which I think was in late 2006 or early 2007. Apple's documented limit for that 
model was 2GB. OWC determined that model could actually hold 4GB and could 
address 3GB. I installed the extra RAM and ran Tiger with no problems. In mid 
2008 I purchased my first and only MBP and gave the white Macbook to a nephew 
in college. Last week I spoke with that nephew, now a grad student, and asked 
how the macbook is holding up. He said it's still working great, He uses it all 
day, every day. He upgraded the HD to a 500GB 7200RPM drive and is still 
running Tiger with the 3GB RAM. He'll now be getting my retired last-generation 
Air and the old white macbook will go to another starving student somewhere in 
my family tree.

HTH,
Bryan

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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Gordon Smith 
Hello Eric

Gordon is laughingly saying that he'd never advise anybody to stick with 
playing it safe if it will work. :) But seriously if I were you I'd ask around. 
See what they say in some of the forums.

Lynne


On 20 Aug 2011, at 19:02, Eric Caron wrote:


On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If 
> that's the case then yes I think  4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the 
> impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were 
> generalising when you said MacBook.
> 
> Lynne
> 
Hi Lynne and others,

No I was being specific I have a Mac Book not a Pro.  According to some 
info the computer can use 8 GB Ram even though Apple says 4.  I'm guessing 
Gordon's advice would be don't push what the folks recommend. 

I would love to go to 8 GB but don't want to damage my system or do it for no 
gain.
Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go!  
I'll wait to see what happens!

Eric Caron 
> On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo 
>> processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
> I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, 
> i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac 
> Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram.  For example at Crucial when I run the 
> check on my system it says only 4 gig.  On a earlier thread on this list I 
> learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8.  I'd love to do that!  
> 
> I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about 
> my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB.  
> 
> When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything.  I worked with the 
> sales person at Apple.  I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales 
> person seemed to think I didn't  need it as the new White case was almost the 
> same.  Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be 
> taking advantage of, if I only had the pro!  
> 
> If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again.  but if I'm right 
> I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice 
> on keeping my Mac working great!  Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn 
> discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! 
> 
> If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram!
> 
> I plan to come out ahead either way!
> 
> Best,
> 
> eRic Caron 
> 
>> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Eric
>>> 
>>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
>>> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
>>> 
>> Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I 
>> think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I 
>> put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White 
>> case.  I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra 
>> ram. 
>> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 
>> 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find 
>> it doesn't work!
>> 
>> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!
>> 
>> Or, is his also a white case?
>> 
>> Eric 
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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Bryan Jones 
Hi Eric, forgive me if I'm repeating this message, but I strongly believe your 
macbook6,1 can handle either 6 or 8 GB of RAM. IMHO Apple is no different from 
many other tech companies in being conservative with their RAM recommendations. 
It is often left up to third party vendors to push the boundaries and do some 
real world testing so that we, the end-users, can know what the actual limits 
are. There is a boatload of documentation on the web regarding the pros and 
cons of running various RAM configurations. As usual, I will reference OWC 
because they have been around for a very long time specializing in support for 
Apple products. The following page lists Mac models and gives Apple's 
recommended maximum RAM alongside OWC's tested maximum RAM: 
http://eshop.macsales.com/memory/maxram

BTW for those who have a 2011 MBP or Mini, looks like your device probably 
supports 16GB.

Now, if they can come up with a way to upgrade RAM in the Macbook Air, that'll 
be way cool!

Cheers,
Bryan

On Aug 20, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
> I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, 
> i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac 
> Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram.  For example at Crucial when I run the 
> check on my system it says only 4 gig.  On a earlier thread on this list I 
> learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8.  I'd love to do that!  

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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Eric Caron 

On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If 
> that's the case then yes I think  4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the 
> impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were 
> generalising when you said MacBook.
> 
> Lynne
> 
Hi Lynne and others,

No I was being specific I have a Mac Book not a Pro.  According to some 
info the computer can use 8 GB Ram even though Apple says 4.  I'm guessing 
Gordon's advice would be don't push what the folks recommend. 

I would love to go to 8 GB but don't want to damage my system or do it for no 
gain.
Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go!  
I'll wait to see what happens!

Eric Caron 
> On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo 
>> processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
> I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, 
> i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac 
> Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram.  For example at Crucial when I run the 
> check on my system it says only 4 gig.  On a earlier thread on this list I 
> learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8.  I'd love to do that!  
> 
> I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about 
> my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB.  
> 
> When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything.  I worked with the 
> sales person at Apple.  I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales 
> person seemed to think I didn't  need it as the new White case was almost the 
> same.  Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be 
> taking advantage of, if I only had the pro!  
> 
> If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again.  but if I'm right 
> I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice 
> on keeping my Mac working great!  Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn 
> discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! 
> 
> If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram!
> 
> I plan to come out ahead either way!
> 
> Best,
> 
> eRic Caron 
> 
>> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Eric
>>> 
>>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
>>> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
>>> 
>> Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I 
>> think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I 
>> put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White 
>> case.  I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra 
>> ram. 
>> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 
>> 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find 
>> it doesn't work!
>> 
>> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!
>> 
>> Or, is his also a white case?
>> 
>> Eric 
>>> 
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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
Hello Eric

OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If 
that's the case then yes I think  4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the 
impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were 
generalising when you said MacBook.

Lynne

On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote:


On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo 
> processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe.
> 
> Lynne
> 
I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm 
not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can 
only take up to 4 gB of ram.  For example at Crucial when I run the check on my 
system it says only 4 gig.  On a earlier thread on this list I learned that 
other sellers say I can go up to 8.  I'd love to do that!  

I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my 
machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB.  

When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything.  I worked with the sales 
person at Apple.  I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person 
seemed to think I didn't  need it as the new White case was almost the same.  
Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking 
advantage of, if I only had the pro!  

If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again.  but if I'm right I 
want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on 
keeping my Mac working great!  Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn 
discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! 

If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram!

I plan to come out ahead either way!

Best,

eRic Caron 

> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
>> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
>> 
> Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I think 
> is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I put in 
> 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case.  
> I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. 
> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 
> GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it 
> doesn't work!
> 
> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!
> 
> Or, is his also a white case?
> 
> Eric 
>> 
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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Eric Caron 

On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo 
> processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe.
> 
> Lynne
> 
I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm 
not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can 
only take up to 4 gB of ram.  For example at Crucial when I run the check on my 
system it says only 4 gig.  On a earlier thread on this list I learned that 
other sellers say I can go up to 8.  I'd love to do that!  

I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my 
machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB.  

When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything.  I worked with the sales 
person at Apple.  I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person 
seemed to think I didn't  need it as the new White case was almost the same.  
Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking 
advantage of, if I only had the pro!  

If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again.  but if I'm right I 
want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on 
keeping my Mac working great!  Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn 
discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! 

If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram!

I plan to come out ahead either way!

Best,

eRic Caron 

> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
> 
> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Eric
>> 
>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
>> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
>> 
> Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I think 
> is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I put in 
> 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case.  
> I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. 
> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 
> GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it 
> doesn't work!
> 
> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!
> 
> Or, is his also a white case?
> 
> Eric 
>> 
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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
Hello Eric

No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo 
processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe.

Lynne

On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote:


On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
> 
Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I think 
is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I put in 8 
GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case.  I'd 
love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. 
Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 
GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it 
doesn't work!

So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!

Or, is his also a white case?

Eric 
> 

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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Eric Caron 

On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Eric
> 
> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
> different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)
> 
Hi Lynne,  I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro.  That one I think 
is supposed to go over 4 GB ram.  I have a Mac Book White case.  If I put in 8 
GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case.  I'd 
love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. 
Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 
GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it 
doesn't work!

So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits!

Or, is his also a white case?

Eric 
> 

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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-20 Thread Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith 
Hello Eric

Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a 
different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :)

Lynne

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> Hi Lynne and others,

this report makes me want to consider again taking the chance and putting 8 
gigs in my late 20009 Mac book.  I have the same issues that Lynne describes 
such as chattering in the voices when several applications are running.  yet 
Gordon's earlier comments about there being good reasons why one should follow 
the posted limits has me concerned.  I sure wish someone else would go first!  

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Re: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View]

2011-08-19 Thread Eric Caron 

On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Gordon has just finished upgrading his 2.26 GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) 
> MacBook Pro from 4 to 8GB of RAM, courtesy of the very reasonable memory 
> prices at Crucial.com. So we put it to the test to see if there was any 
> difference that was noticeable between how it performed with 4GB and how it 
> now does with 8GB.
> 
> We started first opening several applications at once, all using full screen 
> mode under Lion. Previously when we did this, we would notice some jitter. 
> Well I say we, I should say I. But VoiceOver would also stammer and stutter 
> quite a lot in those circumstances. (We;re using the iVox voices). Now, 
> however, with 8GB of physical RAM, the entire process is slick and smooth. 
> Even Rachel didn't stammer and stutter as she usually does when we tried this 
> experiment.
> 
> So my conclusion is that the upgrade is very well worth while as long as you 
> get the correct memory for your device. Actually the 1067 MHZ PC3 DDR3 memory 
> that our 13-Inch MacBook Pro uses is quite a bit cheaper at Crucial than the 
> latest 1333 MHZ RAM is; I know that because I bought some of the faster 
> memory earlier this week for one of our servers.
> 
> So in summary, I now agree with those who advocate that the more memory you 
> have, (although there must be a ceiling beyond which further upgrades are 
> pointless), the better. I personally can tell the difference between how our 
> machine was and how it is now.
> 
> We are expecting delivery of a new 17-inch machine from Gordon's work place 
> shortly. That one has 8GB of RAM and an Intel I7 quad core processor which, I 
> think, runs at 2.7 GHZ. So it will be interesting to see the performance 
> difference there.
> 
> Lynne
> Hi Lynne and others,

this report makes me want to consider again taking the chance and putting 8 
gigs in my late 20009 Mac book.  I have the same issues that Lynne describes 
such as chattering in the voices when several applications are running.  yet 
Gordon's earlier comments about there being good reasons why one should follow 
the posted limits has me concerned.  I sure wish someone else would go first!  

Eric Caron 



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