Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Bradley == Bradley Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bradley Slartibarfast was a fjord designer in the hitchhikers guide to the Bradley galaxy series, creating fjords in newly designed planets. He put his Bradley name in the side of one because he wanted to (and not getting credit Bradley otherwise), and the heros of the book happened upon it. Hard to Bradley explain, read the books by Douglas Adams and wave your towel. Explained better than I could. Thanks! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On 23/9/02 03:18, Randal L. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil == Phil Dobbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Phil As usual, the Perl section of this works flawlessly but the Applescript Phil doo-dah chokes around: Phil Phil set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) Phil fetch_headlines.html Phil write_to_file(output, output_file, false) Phil tell application Finder to open output_file Phil Phil With the Finder complaining it can't set path to temp items. I never claimed to be an AppleScript expert. However, I *do* know that I tested the code (for quite a while, making constant minor tweaks) before submitting. However, I just tested it again under 10.1.5, and it seems to be working fine. Are you sure there isn't something else a little messed up? That is *all* one line, you know. Doesn't make any difference (in fact, all on one line makes it exit quicker, as you'd expect - `expected end of line`). Here's what the result shows for me when I run this: set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) fetch_headlines.html output_file in the AS editor: Randal800:private:tmp:501:Temporary Items:fetch_headlines.html [snip] What does it show in the browser? Regards, Phil.
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 05:02:22PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: Apple Corporation doesn't make celebrities out of its employees. O'Reilly, on the other hand, loves to make stars out of its authors. (or to make its authors see stars, depending on how well they write :-) Apple'sInside Macintosh series, about 15 years ago, was attributed to Apple Computer. On the other hand, their technotes from the same era were attributed to the individual authors (although sometimes the author may have been listed as someone like Bo3b Johnson) Software About boxes used to have individual names, but now are all attributed to Apple Computer, Inc.
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Monday, September 23, 2002, at 09:26 AM, Andrew M. Langmead wrote: Software About boxes used to have individual names, but now are all attributed to Apple Computer, Inc. One big reason is that software today is rarely the result of a single person or even a consistent group... Not only do people come and go from employers with dramatically increased frequency, but rarely did EVERYONE involved in a project get credit -- only those officially assigned. It also means that the about box does not have to be re-coded with every release because the team has changed. Just one less set of modifications where potential errors can creep in. [And nobody gets miffed that xxx is still credited and he hasn't worked for the company for years.] T.T.F.N. William H. Magill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 08:36 PM, Brian McNett wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 05:13 PM, Morbus Iff wrote: Exactly. My article uses morbus as the dummy username, an obvious giveaway. A friend, when writing for Apple made several references to A Bazilians Family Restaurant and Emporium. People who know him know he's the author. In the end, that's all that really matters. You can take this to extremes, too. I know someone who is guilty of having put a nonsensical phrase into the default internal reference code field of his former employer's FedEx account, since that field wasn't being used for anything important. I thought it was funny that this message was sent out on hundreds of packages all over the country, and my friend, a lowly shipper, got to make his own mark on his work. But then he got a phone call from someone in billing wondering what it meant, and stopped doing it. Erik PS: Yes, I said former employer, no, he didn't get fired. -- Erik Price (zombies roam) email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
At 3:16 PM -0700 9/23/02, Erik Price wrote: On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 04:53 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Of course, we authors always figured out slartibartfast in the fjords ways of getting our signatures in the book somehow. One time, I stuck it in the ASCII values of a string that appears only in hex, for example. (1) Sherlock doesn't do any scandinavian languages yet, as far as I can see. What does that really mean? Slartibarfast was a fjord designer in the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy series, creating fjords in newly designed planets. He put his name in the side of one because he wanted to (and not getting credit otherwise), and the heros of the book happened upon it. Hard to explain, read the books by Douglas Adams and wave your towel. (2) Like developers who put easter eggs and other doo-dads in their software. Incidentally, I heard that Apple has really been cracking down on this in their products (I forget where I read it). Apple doesn't really let any eastereggs, names of designers, any 'personal references' at all anymore. Kinda a good idea, with several thousand current employees and many thousand former employees, who should get the credit for what.
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Erik Price wrote: But then he got a phone call from someone in billing wondering what it meant, and stopped doing it. Man, what kind of sicko embeds silly pointless gag phrases in the messages he sends out, possibly making things difficult for the receivers? What a jerk, eh? :) :) :) -- Chris Devers dnliinr
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On 22/9/02 02:04, Randal L. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please let me know! As usual, the Perl section of this works flawlessly but the Applescript doo-dah chokes around: set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) fetch_headlines.html write_to_file(output, output_file, false) tell application Finder to open output_file With the Finder complaining it can't set path to temp items. This on Mac OS X 10.1.5, AS 1.8.3, Perl 5.6.1 and ScriptDebugger 3.0.4. Has anybody else seen this? Regards, Phil.
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Chris == Chris Devers [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris I would prefer to know the face behind the voice rather than Chris some kind of single nameless impersonal corporate identity, but Chris maybe that's just me. I like being able to browse through the Chris books in the store, see a new one by someone I recognize (like, Chris say, Randal Schwartz or Ken Williams :), and be able to compare Chris reference material by authors I respect. Well, it may be unusual in the open source business, but I have a whole shelf of stuff here in my home office that I've written that doesn't have any indication of my name on it. That's the norm when techwriting manuals for companies, as opposed to writing for bookstore publication. Of course, we authors always figured out slartibartfast in the fjords ways of getting our signatures in the book somehow. One time, I stuck it in the ASCII values of a string that appears only in hex, for example. And as we saw in this thread, the phrase I nearly always start my programs with these lines was enough to give me away on this one. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Chris Devers writes: What's with this whole conceal the author business? The OSX related O'Reilly books all seem to be written by Apple Corporation: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncocoa/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncarbon/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/learncocoa2/ http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/catalog/view/au/629?x-t=book.view As Geoff pointed out, the second editions are written by humans :-) The first editions were based heavily on the online docs. The second editions have been much improved (e.g., by James Duncan Davidson in the case of Cocoa). Apple Corporation doesn't make celebrities out of its employees. O'Reilly, on the other hand, loves to make stars out of its authors. (or to make its authors see stars, depending on how well they write :-) Nat
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
I would prefer to know the face behind the voice rather than some kind of single nameless impersonal corporate identity, but maybe that's just me. I like being able to browse through the books in the store, see a new one by someone I recognize (like, say, Randal Schwartz or Ken Williams :), and be able to compare reference material by authors I respect. Well, it may be unusual in the open source business, but I have a whole shelf of stuff here in my home office that I've written that doesn't have any indication of my name on it. That's the norm when techwriting manuals for companies, as opposed to writing for bookstore publication. Right. My impression of the process is: a) If you regain copyright, you regain author bios. b) If you sell your rights, then it becomes the company's. Since I sold my rights on the Apple article, it's not my place to say hey! make sure you place my name prominently on the piece. hoo hah! Of course, we authors always figured out slartibartfast in the fjords ways of getting our signatures in the book somehow. One time, I stuck it in the ASCII values of a string that appears only in hex, Exactly. My article uses morbus as the dummy username, an obvious giveaway. -- Morbus Iff ( united we're bland ) Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ Tech: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 - articles and weblog icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Morbus == Morbus Iff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Morbus Right. My impression of the process is: Morbus a) If you regain copyright, you regain author bios. Morbus b) If you sell your rights, then it becomes the company's. No, that's not my impression at all. I don't retain copyright for any of the 150+ articles I've written, nor any of the books I've done for O'Reilly. And yet my name is on all of them. A work-for-hire means it's not yours anymore. It's up to the contract to decide whether you're a writer or a ghostwriter. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On 22/9/02 02:04, Randal L. Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please let me know! As usual, the Perl section of this works flawlessly but the Applescript doo-dah chokes around: set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) fetch_headlines.html write_to_file(output, output_file, false) tell application Finder to open output_file With the Finder complaining it can't set path to temp items. This on Mac OS X 10.1.5, AS 1.8.3, Perl 5.6.1 and ScriptDebugger 3.0.4. Has anybody else seen this? Regards, Phil.
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Phil == Phil Dobbin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Phil As usual, the Perl section of this works flawlessly but the Applescript Phil doo-dah chokes around: Phil Phil set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) Phil fetch_headlines.html Phil write_to_file(output, output_file, false) Phil tell application Finder to open output_file Phil Phil With the Finder complaining it can't set path to temp items. I never claimed to be an AppleScript expert. However, I *do* know that I tested the code (for quite a while, making constant minor tweaks) before submitting. However, I just tested it again under 10.1.5, and it seems to be working fine. Are you sure there isn't something else a little messed up? That is *all* one line, you know. Here's what the result shows for me when I run this: set output_file to (path to temporary items folder as string) fetch_headlines.html output_file in the AS editor: Randal800:private:tmp:501:Temporary Items:fetch_headlines.html See. Just fine. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please let me know! -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Sunday, September 22, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please let me know! Oh, was that you? I couldn't find an author name attached to the article. Are the articles in this series (like Morbus' previous one on installing 5.8.0) generally written by outside people? -Ken
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
Ken == Ken Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ken Oh, was that you? I couldn't find an author name attached to the Ken article. no, but if you know where to look, you can get a pointer *to* the article *from* my name in the list of authors. Ken Are the articles in this series (like Morbus' previous one on Ken installing 5.8.0) generally written by outside people? Dunno. I know mine was written by me. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!
Re: AppleScript to Perl w/SOAP
On Saturday, September 21, 2002, at 08:04 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Erik == Erik Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Erik I just found this article in my ADC and figured I'd pass it along to Erik the list: Erik http://developer.apple.com/internet/webservices/applescripttoperl.html Thanks for the promo. And if you have any suggestions for anything else, please let me know! heh, heh, heh... as soon as I read the following... Take a look at the Perl SOAP server. You can see the entire script here. I've included line numbers to make it easier to read. Here's how I begin every Perl program I write: =1= #!/usr/bin/perl -w =2= use strict; =3= $|++; I knew it. Kinda sticks in your mind after having read all the Web Techniques articles. That's what got me started on Perl in the first place. pk/
