Re: backing up system
Chris Nandor wrote: I believe Backup.app is only available to .Mac subscribers, but the app itself does not require a .Mac account, or being online, any longer. You can back up to any local volume (including shared volumes over the network). It's freely available at http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/backup.html -- Hansen
Re: backing up system
On 02/05/2004 @ 11:57 +0100, Christian Hansen, [EMAIL PROTECTED], wrote: Chris Nandor wrote: I believe Backup.app is only available to .Mac subscribers, but the app itself does not require a .Mac account, or being online, any longer. You can back up to any local volume (including shared volumes over the network). It's freely available at http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/backup.html Backup 2.0.1 that's available from that url still requires an active Dot Mac account according to the Read Me that comes with the download before you can use it to backup to CD, FireWire, etc. Regards, Phil.
Re: backing up system
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Chris Nandor wrote: I believe Backup.app is only available to .Mac subscribers, but the app itself does not require a .Mac account, or being online, any longer. You can back up to any local volume (including shared volumes over the network). I just tried it, and the application can be downloaded installed just fine, but if you try to run it you're asked for a .Mac login to procede. While the sign in now dialog is open, you can click on the menus to see options like back up to cd/dvd, back up to drive, etc, but you can't actually do anything, and when you dismiss the dialog the whole application quits. I just tried putting fake/fake as the username password for .Mac in System Prefs, and then tried Backup again. This time, I was told that iDisk did not recognize your user name and password. So it seems like you can't fake it trivially. I don't see anything obviously helpful in my ~/Library/Preferences... -- Chris Devers
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I just tried it, and the application can be downloaded installed just fine, but if you try to run it you're asked for a .Mac login to procede. I don't suppose there was an option for selecting the .Mac server? I have some vague memory that Mac OS X server includes the ability to set up and provide several of the services provided on .Mac, but I might have been hallucinating. Sometimes my dreams seem pretty real when I don't get to bed until four-ish. Maybe I should see if I can find something on that. -- Joel Rees If God hadn't meant for us to tweak our source code, He'd've given us Microsoft.
Re: backing up system
I use DejaVu for periodic backing up of important folders. It runs as a preference panel, uses cron and psync. If you want to use cron and let your system go to sleep then you might want to take a look some of the stuff I have at http://homepage.mac.com/levanj/Cocoa. It turns out you have to do a little song and dance to make sure the mac is awake (for a long enough period) when cron fires. Jerry On Apr 30, 2004, at 4:22 PM, Joseph Alotta wrote: Greetings, I try to back up my system once a week. I have a firewire disk drive that I use for this purpose. I have been using the Lacie software that came with it. Before Panther, I used to be able just to plug it in and run it under my own id. Now I need to log in as root to run it. Which means I can't do anything else until it finishes, and it takes about 40 minutes. I am looking to do something more automatic. Questions: 1. Can iSync be used for backups? I'm not sure if I have iSync unless it is standard in Panther. 2. Otherwise, has someone wrote a perl program to do this that I can run in cron. Thank you so much, Joe.
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Jerry LeVan wrote: If you want to use cron and let your system go to sleep then you might want to take a look some of the stuff I have at http://homepage.mac.com/levanj/Cocoa. It turns out you have to do a little song and dance to make sure the mac is awake (for a long enough period) when cron fires. Isn't that the sort of problem that Anacron is supposed to solve? http://anacron.sourceforge.net/ Seems like it might make this sort of thing easier... -- Chris Devers
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On Apr 30, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: If you want to use cron and let your system go to sleep then you might want to take a look some of the stuff I have at http://homepage.mac.com/levanj/Cocoa. It turns out you have to do a little song and dance to make sure the mac is awake (for a long enough period) when cron fires. Or you could use anacron: http://anacron.sourceforge.net/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/anacron There's a Fink package too. sherm--
Re: backing up system
Anacron does not appear to run cron jobs at at particular time, the dailyWakeup/keypress/cron combination can insure that the cron job is run on time. If you want, dailyWakeup can even restart the system to get going :) If you want a hands on approach PMQueueManager will allow you to schedule any many PM events as you want. Jerry On Apr 30, 2004, at 4:57 PM, Sherm Pendley wrote: On Apr 30, 2004, at 4:36 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: If you want to use cron and let your system go to sleep then you might want to take a look some of the stuff I have at http://homepage.mac.com/levanj/Cocoa. It turns out you have to do a little song and dance to make sure the mac is awake (for a long enough period) when cron fires. Or you could use anacron: http://anacron.sourceforge.net/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/anacron There's a Fink package too. sherm--
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On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Jerry LeVan wrote: Anacron does not appear to run cron jobs at at particular time Yeah, that's the whole point. The emphasis shifts from I want this maintainence script to run at 3:47 am every Sunday night to this maintainence script needs run once a week, preferably when you're not doing anything else. More often than not, the latter is all that's really required. Anacron considers the problem from a different point of view, and for a lot of people's needs, this may be more appropriate than the traditional approach. They come right out and say on their home page that this isn't meant to replace the traditional Cron system, but rather to supplement it for people with different usage patterns (laptops, people who turn their machine off at night, etc). -- Chris Devers
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Perhaps it's because I'm not strong on Perl yet, but I took a bit more of a naive view here -- On 2004.5.1, at 05:22 AM, Joseph Alotta wrote: Greetings, I try to back up my system once a week. I have a firewire disk drive that I use for this purpose. I have been using the Lacie software that came with it. Before Panther, I used to be able just to plug it in and run it under my own id. Now I need to log in as root to run it. Which means I can't do anything else until it finishes, Does logging in concurrently as root not work? Not that I'd urge you to leave your root account enabled for logging in, concurrently or otherwise. (I just tried, for grins, under 10.2.8, su-ing to an admin user, then sudo-ing a sh to get a root shell without logging in as root, but open-ing /Applications/AppleWorks 6 as the root user didn't seem to do anything other than opening the /Applications directory in a GUI window. open-ing /Applications/TextEdit.app as root runs TextEdit, but the process is owned by the user I'm logged in as. sudoing the open directly from the admin user yields complaints about not being able to map display interlocks or open default connections, etc. That's not Panther, of course.) and it takes about 40 minutes. I am looking to do something more automatic. Questions: 1. Can iSync be used for backups? I'm not sure if I have iSync unless it is standard in Panther. Well, Apple's blurbs seemed to say such things, but I think, when I read the fine print, it was for backing up to your .mac account. 2. Otherwise, has someone wrote a perl program to do this that I can run in cron. Wasn't there a related thread here just this last week, including mention of either CpMac or ditto? I'll shut up now. -- Joel Rees Opinions are like armpits. We all have two, they all smell, and we really don't want the other guy to get rid of his.
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On Apr 30, 2004, at 4:58 PM, Jerry LeVan wrote: Yeah, but the person requesting advice say that he wanted the job to run at an off time since it tied the machine up for 40 minutes... It seems that with anacron, I would get into work bright and early, turn on my machine and it would be useless for doing real work since it would begin all the night jobs. What if anacron had a catch up mode, that uses 1 second every 20 seconds until all the back jobs were finished? Joe.
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(I just tried, for grins, under 10.2.8, su-ing to an admin user, then sudo-ing a sh to get a root shell without logging in as root, but open-ing /Applications/AppleWorks 6 as the root user didn't seem to do anything other than opening the /Applications directory in a GUI window. open-ing /Applications/TextEdit.app as root runs TextEdit, but the process is owned by the user I'm logged in as. sudoing the open directly from the admin user yields complaints about not being able to map display interlocks or open default connections, etc. That's not Panther, of course.) I couldn't sudo and open Silverkeeper.app either. Besides it is too resource intensive. I wouldn't mind something slower, but quieter in the background. 1. Can iSync be used for backups? I'm not sure if I have iSync unless it is standard in Panther. Well, Apple's blurbs seemed to say such things, but I think, when I read the fine print, it was for backing up to your .mac account. They have an app called Backup.app, but it insists on you having a .mac account and being online. I don't think it is worth paying a monthly fee for this. Joe.
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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joseph Alotta) wrote: 1. Can iSync be used for backups? I'm not sure if I have iSync unless it is standard in Panther. Well, Apple's blurbs seemed to say such things, but I think, when I read the fine print, it was for backing up to your .mac account. They have an app called Backup.app, but it insists on you having a .mac account and being online. I don't think it is worth paying a monthly fee for this. I believe Backup.app is only available to .Mac subscribers, but the app itself does not require a .Mac account, or being online, any longer. You can back up to any local volume (including shared volumes over the network). -- Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://pudge.net/ Open Source Development Network[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://osdn.com/
