Re: stuck in loop with restore_ports.tcl migrating to macOS Sierra (10.12.1)

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Am 02.11.2016 um 23:48 schrieb Murray Eisenberg:

After upgrading from OS X El Capitan to macOS Sierra (10.12.1), I’m
following the migration steps at https://trac.macports.org/wiki/Migration.


Against the recommendations in that article, I discovered the easiest 
way to migrate is to reinstall MacPorts base and just do a port 
selfupdate && port upgrade outdated. Chances to run into problems are 
minimal and much lower than going the recomended way.

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Re: webkit-gtk2: Will it ever be fixed?

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Am 24.10.16 um 01:27 schrieb David Evans:

I did a test build this morning and, with the information you have provided,
was able to reproduce the problem.

Opened ticket https://trac.macports.org/ticket/52688 to track the issue and
copied you there so you can see what's going on.


Thanks for helping. Hope it will get fixed soon. :)
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Re: webkit-gtk2: Will it ever be fixed?

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Am 18.10.16 um 02:35 schrieb Lawrence Velázquez:

You probably want webkit2-gtk.


Yes, this is what I tried to install and fails, sorry.
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Re: webkit-gtk2: Will it ever be fixed?

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Am 18.10.2016 um 01:19 schrieb Lawrence Velázquez:

Are you talking about webkit-gtk-2.0?


I think so. Whats the alternative?

That port is not supported on recent systems, and it errors out with a 

message saying so.

No, it fails with "command execution failed"...
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webkit-getk2: Will it ever be fixed?

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Since my upgrade to macOS sierra I tried compiling and installing 
webkit-gtk2 for weeks, again and again. Even though I got a new version 
every time, it still fails to build.


Will it ever be fixed? I find it so disturbing that I always come across 
broken ports. If a build fails, please don't distribute it via port 
upgrade until fixed. :(

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Re: Uninstalling Macports

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Barrie Stott wrote on 24.06.2016 19:10:

I am not experiencing any issues and am unsure whether I need to uninstall 
MacPorts. Can someone tell me if I need to uninstall Macports?


You don't. Just download the installer package from MacPort's website. 
Then you will be able to do a "port selfupdate" and "port update 
outdated". Most of the time this will work without problems.




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Re: Macports fails to build in macOS 10.12 Sierra

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> Am 19.06.2016 um 05:24 schrieb Jeremy Huddleston Sequoia :
> 
> As a reminder, macOS 10.12 Sierra has only been released as a developer 
> preview to developers and is covered by an NDA.

Ever heard of something called "free speech"? The snowden leaks were also 
covered by an NDA an we know what it led to.

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Re: WebKit2-GTK: quartz VS XQuartz

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Andrea Giammarchi wrote on 08.05.2016 11:19:

Like I've said, telling users they need to wait at least one hour to
install and build gtk3 +quartz and webkit2-gtk +quartz due lack of pre
built version will move me and them away from MaxPorts.


I don't think so. There aren't really any good alternatives. I would 
still always prefer Quartz over X11, but I don't think it's reason 
enough damn macports. But you can do whatever you like. :)




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Re: WebKit2-GTK: quartz VS XQuartz

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Andrea Giammarchi wrote on 07.05.2016 11:51:


Thanks in advance for considering it, as a user it would be awesome so I
can stop warning Mac Users that having a good looking GTK3 app requires
at least one hour via MacPorts due lack of pre-built quartz packages.


I always thought that quartz/xquartz should be the default for MacPorts 
as this is what Mac OS X is build for.




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Re: de/activate and Time Machine

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René J.V. Bertin wrote on 26.04.2016 13:19:

Superfluous backing up of course ends up wasting significant amount of space on 
the backup disk esp. for developers who regularly to something like `port -n 
upgrade --force` after an incremental rebuild with only minimal changes. It is 
also costly in terms of time when you're using a NAS like my Time Capsule (even 
when connected via a wired gigabit connection).


In default configuration time machine will automatically discard old 
backups in favor of new ones, so there shouldn't be any space problems 
ever.




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Re: lost terminal after quitting python3

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> Am 21.03.2016 um 00:34 schrieb Eric A. Borisch :
> 
> Either install the py33-readline port

Definitely the easiest way and fixed it immediately for me.

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Re: lost terminal after quitting python3

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> Am 20.03.2016 um 18:47 schrieb petr.2...@centrum.cz:
> 
> I found a problem in my installation. When I use python3 in terminal I am 
> loosing keyboard input in the terminal after leaving the python. I have to 
> quit the terminal and open another one. Python27 works OK.

You need to install Python's readline module.

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Re: Why do so many builds fail?

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> Am 09.03.2016 um 17:01 schrieb Ryan Schmidt :
> 
> There is no "stable" release of MacPorts. Everything is provided as-is and 
> best-effort. We are all volunteers, not being paid to work on this.

I know, thats okay. I don't demand anyone to support his ports like a 
commercial product and no one is forced to supply always the latest version, 
thouroughly tested. I'm also a developer and contribute to others OSS projects 
or my own in my spare time. When I release something to the public I also don't 
give any guarantees. But, when I push out something that is supposed to work 
for many people, I try to make it work, because my motivation for sharing it is 
to make people happy, not causing trouble, or else I'm not going to release it 
or share it in ways where people don't expect it to work out of the box, a git 
repository for example. If somethings not ready or you don't have time to test 
it or even continue development, thats perfectly fine, and I don't demand 
getting all the latest bleeding-edge versions in time. No one is forced to 
contribute to MacPorts, but if you do, it should work.

It is just somewhat frustrating when you're coding and get in need for some 
librarys, then do a port install or port upgrade outdated and it breaks the 
whole thing. People then often tell me: If you don't like it, fix it yourself. 
But I can't contribute to everything I use, so there's projects I contribute to 
and projects I don't. If you don't know about the codebase of a project its 
hard and time consuming to get in. Furthermore, I don't know that much about 
C/C++. Enough to do some slight modifications but when something horribly 
fails, especialy in build phase, I'm having a very hard time fixing this 
myself. This is why I report it to mailing lists or bug trackers, as for a 
maintainer it's often much easier to understand whats going on. I know you're 
all volunteers. Sorry for being that pissy yesterday.

> Am 09.03.2016 um 18:12 schrieb David Evans :
> 
> Was this on El Capitan or another version of OS X?  Can you attach (to the 
> ticket) a copy of your build log (compressed)
> from a clean build showing the failure mode?  What variants are you using?  
> Anything else relevant?

I just tried to upgrade again and it succeeded. Glad to see you got it fixed, 
but I will consider this in future reports. Was on El Capitan and variants are 
-x11 +no_x11 +quartz +bash_completion.

PS: Is there a way to tell port upgrade to just skip failed builds and continue 
to upgrade the rest of the packages? That could come in handy.

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Why do so many builds fail?

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Today I was running an upgrade and it failed building webkit2-gtk and I'm 
somewhat pissy about this, as I don't want to be forced debugging ports before 
I can continue with my coding. Is there any stable release of macports or and 
how comes that buggy ports make it into the ports tree all the time? Doesn't 
anyone ever test his creations before publishing them?

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Re: Is there a good version of Time Machine?

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> Am 22.02.2016 um 08:52 schrieb Dave Horsfall :
> 
> I ask because either it won't back up .dotfiles, or I've forgotten to 
> click one of those box thingies...

Time Machine can do complete system restores, which is why it needs to backup 
every file. However, it could be possible that it doesn't display them in 
history. I would try Googling and poking around in some plist files.

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Re: installer doesn't modify root path

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> Am 02.02.2016 um 06:33 schrieb Phil Oertel :
> 
> I'm unable to sudo run any port commands after installing macports (version 
> 2.3.4, system is El Capitan 10.11.3). I installed via the package installer. 
> After running the installer and opening a new shell, my login user has 
> /opt/local/bin on his path, but root does not. So `sudo port` results in "not 
> found".

Just edit /etc/paths and you're done.

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Re: MacPorts for non-Internet-connected networks

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> Am 28.01.2016 um 03:09 schrieb Ryan Schmidt :
> 
> Please Reply All when you reply, so that the conversation stays on the 
> mailing list and all can benefit from it.

Sorry, I forgot about that. Most mailing list systems add their own adress as 
reply-to.

> Other reasons include license incompatibilities and non-standard MacPorts 
> configurations.

Is this affected by variants? I'm using a variants string of "-x11 +no_x11 
+quartz +bash_completion".

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Re: Xcode installed before macports?

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Timothy W. Grove wrote on 19.01.2016 23:21:

Must the latest Xcode be installed before macports? I installed Xcode
3.2 in Snow Leopard, then macports before I discovered there was an
Xcode 4.2 available for Snow Leopard.

Do I now need to remove macports and reinstall it to make use of Xcode
4.2? Thanks.


No. Macports is using headers and the compiler of xcode and when a port 
is compiled it makes use of whatever xcode version installed. If your 
installation of Macports and your ports was a success, there's nothing 
to worry about.




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Re: Xcode installed before macports?

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Ryan Schmidt wrote on 20.01.2016 04:11:

Xcode 4.0, 4.1 and 4.2 for Snow Leopard are not recommended because they are 
not free so MacPorts is tested much less well on those versions and you are 
likely to run into more problems when using them.


However, it is still VERY unlikely he will run into any problems at all 
with either version.




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Error installing qt5-qtwebengine

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Hi, I tried to install qt5-qtwebengine as a dependency for py34-pyqt5. This is 
the output I got:
--->  Computing dependencies for qt5-qtwebengine
--->  Staging qt5-qtwebengine into destroot
Error: No files have been installed in the destroot directory!
Error: Please make sure that this software supports 'make install 
DESTDIR=${destroot}' or implement an alternative destroot mechanism in the 
Portfile.
Error: Files might have been installed directly into your system, check before 
proceeding.
Error: org.macports.destroot for port qt5-qtwebengine returned: Staging 
qt5-qtwebengine into destroot failed
Please see the log file for port qt5-qtwebengine for details:

/opt/local/var/macports/logs/_opt_local_var_macports_sources_rsync.macports.org_release_tarballs_ports_aqua_qt5/qt5-qtwebengine/main.log
To report a bug, follow the instructions in the guide:
http://guide.macports.org/#project.tickets
Error: Processing of port qt5-qtwebengine failed

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Re: Variant conflicts

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Eric A. Borisch wrote on 21.11.2015 05:45:


Unfortunately, the portfile states that  "portions of this port are X11
specific so a +quartz build is not possible."

I don't know the specifics, but I'm guessing it's not trivial.


I don't think so. According to my experience with debians package 
system, many such dependencies are just mistakes of the maintainers or 
only cause problems in just one of many usage scenarios ("portions of 
this port"), such like trying to start the whole desktop. This is why 
I'm always somewhat annoyed when a package system tries to impose 
dependencies against the will of an administrator. This is why I just 
asked for an override, so I can try if it is really a problem.


As I understood, the gnome-desktop port is just a bunch of supporting 
libraries, and I wanted to install just nautilus, which depends on 
gnome-desktop, which depends on gtk3+x11. But I don't want to be forced 
to use gtk3 with x11, as it's not capable of displaying hi-res-graphics 
on my retina display, and I'm developing python apps based on gtk3, so I 
want to use it with quartz. Would be very bad if I had to choose between 
Nautilus or gtk3 with quartz.




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Re: Variant conflicts

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> Am 19.11.2015 um 00:09 schrieb Eric A. Borisch :
> 
> port echo active and variant:quartz and variant:x11 \
>   | sed -n -e '/\+quartz/d;s/@[^+-]*//;s/\+x11/-x11+quartz/p' \
>   | xargs -n 2

That worked, thanks. But it resulted in another problem. >:((

> Error: org.macports.archivefetch for port gnome-desktop returned: gtk3 must 
> be installed with +x11.
> Error: Failed to install gnome-desktop

How to override?

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Re: Variant conflicts

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Eric A. Borisch wrote on 18.11.2015 15:43:

You are using upgrade; what does 'port active and gtk3' show? +x11 perhaps?

 From the man page:

By selecting the variants to use in the upgraded build of the
port, any variants specified on the command line take highest
precedence, then the variants active in the latest installed
version of the port, and finally the global variants specified
in variants.conf, if any.

(Try adding -x11 to your upgrade line if the port active command above
shows +x11.)


Yes, it shows +11. I added this my variants.conf after first install of 
gtk3. Is there a way to find all ports still installed with +x11 and 
reinstall with quartz instead?




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Variant conflicts

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Hi there!
Today I ran a port upgrade outdated and got the following message:

> Error: gtk3: Variant quartz conflicts with x11
> Error: Unable to open port: Error evaluating variants

But my variants.conf is
> -x11 +no_x11 +quartz +bash_completion

So whats going on? There's a minus in front of x11 so it should not try to 
install x11 AND quartz.

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Re: Modification of .profile

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Ryan Schmidt wrote on 19.10.2015 11:10:

And if there's a problem where MacPorts modifies the profile even if the 
MacPorts prefix is already in the path, then that could be a bug that we should 
fix.


That might be the case. I didn't know there is a check. It didn't work 
though. Also, this is not a big thing, but I think installers should not 
change personal configuration files like ~/.profile, especialy not 
without asking.

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Modification of .profile

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May I suggest to add an option for the PKG installer to disable automativ 
modification of user's ~/.profile file? On my system I modified my /etc/paths 
file to include MacPorts ater my own /usr/local. When I installed a new version 
by using the PKG today, I found my .profile and PATH modified without request.

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Re: Darwin Version

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> Am 02.10.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Ryan Schmidt :
> 
> We're trying to make MacPorts into a system that just works, and that means 
> that when we discover common situations where MacPorts fails to work, we try 
> to modify MacPorts so that users are less likely to encounter them. One of 
> the common problems we discovered was when MacPorts is built on one version 
> of OS X and used on another version of OS X. So now we prevent that, via the 
> error message that caused you to begin this thread.

I just want to share my experience with updating MacPorts today. The migration 
page describes that one should install the new base by the using the PKGs and 
AFTER that get list of all installed ports to reinstall them. That led me to 
the conclusion, that updating the base would not result in the package database 
being wiped. So I did just that and ran "port upgrade outdated" afterwards, 
which completed successfully. After all the discussion on this thread I 
understand why the migration steps are described as they are and what problems 
might arise from upgrading that way. However, for me and for this particular 
update, it worked very well. It still rebuild most of the packages though.

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Re: Incompatible library version

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Michel Perez wrote on 08.10.2015 09:21:

Will I have to choose between matlab and macport?


Try removing it from the MATLAB script yourself and see if it still runs.
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Re: Darwin Version

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Dave Horsfall wrote on 06.10.2015 09:53:

Anyway, "from scratch" => "clean-room implementation" e.g. Unix/Linux,
whereas "evolved" => V5/V6/V7/4.nBSD/BSDI/FreeBSD/OpenBSD/etc.


Is this discussion of any importance? I don't see why.
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Re: Darwin Version

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Dominik Reichardt wrote on 06.10.2015 11:10:

While it is off topic, why the need to be so rude?


I'm not rude, just asking. :)
There is always many discussion about what is a real UNIX, if something 
was derived or rewritten, if Linux is UNIX and so on... I just don't get 
what's the reason for these discussions? Just out of personal interest 
or because people think some systems are "better" than others because of 
history? For me, it doesn't really matter. There are System which 
conform to the POSIX standards and those that don't. Some of them being 
free software, others are not. And I think that are the only important 
differences.

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Re: Darwin Version

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Jeffrey A. Singleton wrote on 03.10.2015 15:35:

As you can see…the very first command run as instructed by the so-called
migration steps shows the same error. Basically…nothing anyone has
suggested so far even remotely comes close to a solution, and the
migration page is useless.


WTF is going on with you? The migration page clearly states "Reinstall 
MacPorts base.". So whats your problem?


I was somewhat pissed of by the procedure, but my question got answerd, 
besides I was told what's the reason for the recomended procedure and a 
good discussion evolved from this.



I won’t be responding to anything other than mature replies…if you can’t
be smart without being an ass…save your breath.


Yeah, I think we'll all miss you. Just go fuck yourself.
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Re: Darwin Version

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Clemens Lang wrote on 03.10.2015 15:02:

such as /bin/sh, /usr/bin/python, /usr/bin/make, /usr/bin/clang,
etc.


All of which are also part of macports, so can't you just use this or 
create shadowcopies yourself?

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Re: Darwin Version

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> Am 01.10.2015 um 16:08 schrieb Rainer Müller :
> 
> It may appear to be still working right now, but there is no guarantee
> that it will work at all. Even if it seems to be working now, later
> updates will cause problems. For example updates will link to a
> different set of new system libraries.
> 
> Although cumbersome, the migration procedure ensures that everything
> keeps working after upgrading to a new OS X release.

What a crap is this? I've been using Arch Linux before and never needed to 
recompile any third party software, just because system packages where updated. 
Software that needs to be reinstalled / recompiled on every little operating 
system upgrade is bad software.

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Re: Darwin Version

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> Am 02.10.2015 um 15:24 schrieb Brandon Allbery :
> 
> If you don't like it, don't use OS X, because Apple is not going to change. 
> It will break stuff as it sees fit. This is the price of living in Apple's 
> world.


Maybe. Seems like I'm just not getting what is technically causing these 
problems. When libraries change, and it breaks a particular application, why 
can't I recompile just that? And why would the build of a newly installed port 
fail, just because there are other ports installed that were compiled against 
older system libraries?

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Re: Darwin Version

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Brandon Allbery wrote on 02.10.2015 15:52:

Dependencies. Port X compiles against new libSystem, depends on port Y
that was linked against old libSystem, link fails because it tries to
bring in both versions and they conflict. (Keeping around old libSystem
versions is how you can still run applications built for 10.5 on
10.10/10.11.)

This doesn't happen on Linux because glibc is obsessive about
maintaining backward compatibility interfaces, so the older program
links against the current glibc and uses compatibility interfaces from
it; this works even for libraries. Apple doesn't care about backward
compatibility enough to do things that way.



Thanks for this detailed answer. I might have been somewhat rude because 
I just didn't fully understand what the problem is. One reason I don't 
like the idea of recompiling everything is time, the other one being 
that I did some things to integrate macports into my system, like 
setting my shell to its bash and prefering it in /etc/paths, probably 
some other things I don't remember yet. I just wanted to avoid some trouble.

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Re: Darwin Version

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William H. Magill wrote on 02.10.2015 17:21:

Some vendors mad “backwards compatibility a priority. Most did not — upgrade 
the OS, switch vendors, work cross-platform - you were on your own.


Sadly this this is true, even though it wouldn't have to.


It’s Apple’s way or the highway. They know what is best for you.


True, but it wouldn't be better without it, as you know by yourself. It 
has some downsides, but on the other hand, Apple enforces a clear line 
so everything inside their universe works smoothly together. Microsoft 
for a long time didn't, and as we can see nothing worked together. Every 
software does everything on it's own. Every Mailer and Messenger has its 
own contact list and bookmarks. Everything uses its own protocol. 
Nothing is in sync. Same applies to Linux, especialy in times when 
freedesktop.org didn't exist to propose some standards.



Without MacPorts, you would have to figure out why XXX suddenly no longer 
worked and then try to fix it all by yourself.
And that utterly ignores the fact that you would have had to have ported the 
software to your situation all by yourself.


You are also right on this. When I began to use a mac, I thought that 
Apple would care more about the unix base and compatibillity. As an 
everyday Linux user, I'm used to do much things through a command line. 
It would be almost impossible for me to get everything I used to work 
with working on my Mac's console without macports.

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Darwin Version

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Hi, could anyone please tell me where MacPorts saves on which operating system 
version it was installed, so i can bump it? It says "Current platform 'darwin 
15' does not match expected platform 'darwin 14'". I read the Migration 
instructions, but sorry. No. It is idiotic to reinstall all of my stuff. I'm 
pretty sure that if I could get rid of that useless message, everything would 
work pretty well.

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