RE: A little off topic...
Are you logging in as the SU or just a user? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 2:57 a.m. To: MacVisionaries Subject: A little off topic... Hi all: I'm trying to remotely administer a Ubuntu 8.10 box with my Mac using SSH. When I open ther terminal on my mac and type in the following: ssh u...@ip address of the ubuntu box, I'm prompted with the password. When I type in the password, I get a permission denied notification. I initially thought that it was becaus I was already logged in to the ubuntu box so went over to the machine and logged out my account. Attempted the steps above again but the same thing occurs. Any help available on this one? I know it's a little out of left field but kind of hoping there are some Ubuntu and Orca users on this list as well. You can email me off list if you wish. Thanks: Mike --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Woohoo! More talking iPods!
Hi. Does that means that the new Ipods have a built in Voiceover? Or do we still need to make the voices using Itunes? Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 11/03/2009, at 15.12, Buddy Brannan wrote: Looks like Apple did this one pretty quietly: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/features.html Just to make things more confusing, they're calling the iPod Shuffle's talking interface Voiceover as well. Sounds like it probably works the same as the talking features on the Nano. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY Create your own economic stimulus package: http://www.powermall.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Woohoo! More talking iPods!
Yes, but you have to install it at time of setup It doesn't come pre setup. Unless they've changed it. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Søren Jensen Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2009 9:54 p.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Woohoo! More talking iPods! Hi. Does that means that the new Ipods have a built in Voiceover? Or do we still need to make the voices using Itunes? Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 11/03/2009, at 15.12, Buddy Brannan wrote: Looks like Apple did this one pretty quietly: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/features.html Just to make things more confusing, they're calling the iPod Shuffle's talking interface Voiceover as well. Sounds like it probably works the same as the talking features on the Nano. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY Create your own economic stimulus package: http://www.powermall.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Hi Well I'm going to write to Apple about it as it seems I'm not the only one having the problem, although it seems its most severe on my system so far. For me the only control announced properly when I tab is the search field, nothing else. It doesn't matter what source, or view, or whether the browser is shown or not. Resetting VO works, but I don't particularly feel like doing that every five seconds. On Mar 12, 2009, at 06:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Confirmed. When i tab through controls, the only control that is not announced is the one after the search field. All other controls are announced even if the browser sometimes is announced a bit oddly. Thanks. /Krister 12 mar 2009 kl. 05.17 skrev Fonzie: Hey there Jacob, I hope all is going well. I am looking at the issue you were mentioning, and here is what I get while tabbing. I assume, by controls, you mean the search edit box, the source table, the song table, and the minor things you can tab through, should you have them appearing on iTunes. Upon pressing tab, I only get it silent after I hit tab once VO announces the search field. So, once you hit tab after it says search, which is the edit box, VO becomes silent. Now, if you tab one more time, VO will come back, announcing the next area. Upon tabbing once more, and continuously onward, VO has no problems. Let me know if this is what you were looking for. If not, feel free to e-mail me off list, and I can help out with what I am able. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Hi Dan The interesting thing as that you do not actually remain in the search field. iTunes itself behaves as expected, but for some reason VO gets completely desynchronized with the keyboard focus--it does not realize the keyboard focus has left the search field even though it has. On Mar 12, 2009, at 07:43, Dan Eickmeier wrote: I'm having this issue as well, when I tab, I'm getting the search field, and nothing else. I've tried selecting different sources, and other things such as having the browser on as well, and if I hit tab multiple times, I still remain in the search field. On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:18 AM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Well I'm going to write to Apple about it as it seems I'm not the only one having the problem, although it seems its most severe on my system so far. For me the only control announced properly when I tab is the search field, nothing else. It doesn't matter what source, or view, or whether the browser is shown or not. Resetting VO works, but I don't particularly feel like doing that every five seconds. On Mar 12, 2009, at 06:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Confirmed. When i tab through controls, the only control that is not announced is the one after the search field. All other controls are announced even if the browser sometimes is announced a bit oddly. Thanks. /Krister 12 mar 2009 kl. 05.17 skrev Fonzie: Hey there Jacob, I hope all is going well. I am looking at the issue you were mentioning, and here is what I get while tabbing. I assume, by controls, you mean the search edit box, the source table, the song table, and the minor things you can tab through, should you have them appearing on iTunes. Upon pressing tab, I only get it silent after I hit tab once VO announces the search field. So, once you hit tab after it says search, which is the edit box, VO becomes silent. Now, if you tab one more time, VO will come back, announcing the next area. Upon tabbing once more, and continuously onward, VO has no problems. Let me know if this is what you were looking for. If not, feel free to e-mail me off list, and I can help out with what I am able. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Woohoo! More talking iPods!
the web page explains it all. On Mar 12, 2009, at 4:53 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: Hi. Does that means that the new Ipods have a built in Voiceover? Or do we still need to make the voices using Itunes? Best regards Søren Jensen Mail MSN: s...@coolfortheblind.dk Website: http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ On 11/03/2009, at 15.12, Buddy Brannan wrote: Looks like Apple did this one pretty quietly: http://www.apple.com/ipodshuffle/features.html Just to make things more confusing, they're calling the iPod Shuffle's talking interface Voiceover as well. Sounds like it probably works the same as the talking features on the Nano. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 746-4127 or 888-75-BUDDY Create your own economic stimulus package: http://www.powermall.info --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Well said, kind of like some get bugs and some don't such as a while back with Safari 4 and mail. Some of us had problems with it and others didn't. Guess it is happening for some with I-Tunes now, but for others of us not, and it sounds like there are varying degrees of the problem. Unfortunately though, I haven't had this problem come up yet with I-Tunes, or should I say fortunately I haven't had it happen, and I'll say the word yet as well, Murphy's law etc, *lol.* Maybe the solution will happen soon, sounds like there's quite a few both having the problems and a few who aren't trying to have the problem but not yet. 73. On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Hello all. I see that I was using the wrong version of iTunes, when I had reported about the issue being sparse. I have updated to the new iTunes, and I can indeed confirm that tabbing through controls doesn't work properly. VO navigational keys work fine though, so it is an alternative if you are not using tabs. I suppose, a bug is a bug though, and tab did previously work in the former versions of iTunes. Turning off VO is probably not the best solution here. For now, the best solution is to just use VO navigational keys as others have said. I am sure if people report it as a bug, Apple will work on it in the next release. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Thomas McMahan wrote: Well said, kind of like some get bugs and some don't such as a while back with Safari 4 and mail. Some of us had problems with it and others didn't. Guess it is happening for some with I-Tunes now, but for others of us not, and it sounds like there are varying degrees of the problem. Unfortunately though, I haven't had this problem come up yet with I-Tunes, or should I say fortunately I haven't had it happen, and I'll say the word yet as well, Murphy's law etc, *lol.* Maybe the solution will happen soon, sounds like there's quite a few both having the problems and a few who aren't trying to have the problem but not yet. 73. On Mar 12, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
bug well, maybe not. On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we got our wires crossed. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with below. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE no harm done. Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic access, but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody any harm. Or did I miss something? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: Scott, It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other areas. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: How not out of interest? Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that this could be by design and be useful to anyone. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: bug well, maybe not. On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
Hi Well, obviously I believe this to be a bug. In my view, any time VO does not report something it should qualifies as a bug, and not keeping track of the keyboard focus qualifies. I've written to Apple, will keep you all posted. On Mar 12, 2009, at 11:30, Scott Chesworth wrote: Hmm, I've read what's below and can't see anywhere that I say it's not a bug. I'm on the side of the fence that thinks it is, so perhaps we got our wires crossed. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: no, all I said was it is not a bug which you seem to agree with below. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:27 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True it might've been given the chop for a reason, but at least reporting it to apple would get an explanation if that's the case, IE no harm done. Agreed efficiency often takes longer to materialise than basic access, but the point in this case I think is that this is efficiency that's regressed. It's no biggy because there is an obvious workaround, but at least making sure it's brought to Apple's attention will do nobody any harm. Or did I miss something? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: Scott, It might have been sacrificed for better accessibility in other areas. On Mar 12, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: How not out of interest? Not meaning to be argumentative, I just don't really see a way that this could be by design and be useful to anyone. On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: bug well, maybe not. On Mar 12, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Scott Chesworth wrote: True you can indeed use VO keys to do your work until this is fixed, but at the end of the day a bug is a bug is it not, it's still worth reporting. One of the things I like about OS X is that there's always more than one way to skin a cat, and this is one way that eventually needs to work. While I'm hear, Jacob, have you tried turning off genius to see if that affects anything? On 3/12/09, David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com wrote: so they missed again, folks, relax, you can use the vo keys to do your work. On Mar 12, 2009, at 3:18 AM, william lomas wrote: well lol i keep hearing new accessibility issues are improved but what about that damn downloads window? especially if buyin or renting a movie, i can't see the progress? On 12 Mar 2009, at 05:24, Scott Rutkowski wrote: HI David. OK basically i've tried with different views such as grid view text view being focused on different parts of the source list and when i tab past the search field you can't tab to the songs table and other then this the new iTunes is fine. still trying to work out what the iTunes dj is for so if anyone knows how it works or can shed some light on it let us all know. I'm sure the tab key is broken in iTunes because even turning off cursor tracking and looking through the view menu makes no difference. - Original Message - From: David Poehlman david.poehl...@handsontechnologeyes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:56 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? sorry, we need more. if I do as you describe, I get search, sources and songs as I tab through. You might try turning the browser on, setting your view to grid, any number of things to see if you can lick this. what source is selected when you see this issue? On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to
Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues?
I wrote to the accessibility address and they thanked me for the report and were going to pass the info on to the engineers. - Original Message - From: Jacob Schmude j.schm...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:18 PM Subject: Re: The new iTunes, accessibility issues? Hi Well I'm going to write to Apple about it as it seems I'm not the only one having the problem, although it seems its most severe on my system so far. For me the only control announced properly when I tab is the search field, nothing else. It doesn't matter what source, or view, or whether the browser is shown or not. Resetting VO works, but I don't particularly feel like doing that every five seconds. On Mar 12, 2009, at 06:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Confirmed. When i tab through controls, the only control that is not announced is the one after the search field. All other controls are announced even if the browser sometimes is announced a bit oddly. Thanks. /Krister 12 mar 2009 kl. 05.17 skrev Fonzie: Hey there Jacob, I hope all is going well. I am looking at the issue you were mentioning, and here is what I get while tabbing. I assume, by controls, you mean the search edit box, the source table, the song table, and the minor things you can tab through, should you have them appearing on iTunes. Upon pressing tab, I only get it silent after I hit tab once VO announces the search field. So, once you hit tab after it says search, which is the edit box, VO becomes silent. Now, if you tab one more time, VO will come back, announcing the next area. Upon tabbing once more, and continuously onward, VO has no problems. Let me know if this is what you were looking for. If not, feel free to e-mail me off list, and I can help out with what I am able. Take care. Fonzie On Mar 11, 2009, at 10:50 PM, Jacob Schmude wrote: Hi Everyone I wanted to ask this here before I write to Apple, in case it's something odd about my setup. Along with the accessibility improvements in iTunes 8.1 I'm seeing some very serious issues. Chief among them is that, while tabbing still moves through controls properly, Voiceover will not stay in sync while tabbing. I can only use the VO cursor to get around and, as I use tab to quickly jump from the song list to the media browser, for me this is a serious issue. Before I report this as a problem to Apple, can anyone here duplicate it? Simply go into iTunes and start tabbing around, if Voiceover doesn't announce the controls you're tabbing to after the first one, you've duplicated it. I don't want to report a bug if it's something on my system only, as that would more than likely mean I've got another issue. Thanks, and sorry for cross-posting. The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair. --Douglas Adams --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
