Re: Prospective Mac User
Very well put, Laura! :) I agree with all theat you've said! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Laura, very well stated and very much to the point. On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Laura M wrote: As to 1, I find messaging on the Mac to be much, much more enjoyable than I ever did on Windows. If you want to, you can use it the way you describe, so you don't have to switch back and forth between the message area and typing field, but even if you use it by tabbing between them, your place is generally remembered, at least on iChat. It also handles multi-person chats better than anything I ever had with Windows. and the best part is, it works without any kind of Jaws overlay. The same commands I use to switch between windows, or bring up contacts are exactly the same for non-Voiceover users. On a general point, I think listening to demos isn't a good way of figuring out whether you'll be efficient. They don't sound convincing in that regard, I know. That's no fault of the demos, I don't think. It's just hard because some of the concepts, like interacting, seem much more complicated than they are when you're just hearing about them. When you're using them, they're far more intuitive--or at least, they were for me. Once I started using it, I found that I loved the Voiceover way of doing things. I don't know if it's always more efficient (though I certainly don't think it's less), but it's more useful than that for me. Between group mode and the trackpad, I have a far better sense of how websites and screens work. There's a context that was never present with JAWS. I know, for example, how the mail program is laid out, or that certain webpages have easily accessible sidebars that I can instantly reach. That absolutely does make me more efficient, because instead of tabbing or arrowing everywhere, I can just touch where I want to be. Far, far fewer keystrokes. And because I know where things are, if I'm explaining something to a friend or family member, I can help them visually identify it far more easily than I could've with JAWS. It really has shortened the distance between how I use a computer and how my sighted friends do, and that's awesome. That's also why I like that VO doesn't make assumptions about what I want it to do, or decide that I'll inevitably want certain extra commands. There are some essential things that really do have to be there for basic functionality, and a lot of really cool stuff that just makes life easier, but I'm not relying on the kind of special JAWS scripts to get things done. Again, it increase parity between me and everyone else using Macs. I didn't know it at the time, but now I really do feel that JAWS was a layer between me and the operating system, which in many cases made it very difficult if scripts broke, or programs were updated, or I was simply trying to explain to a non- JAWS user how I did something. Now I tell them what steps I take, and in most cases, they can replicate them. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac/vo braille support
Hi Mary, I'm using a Handytech braillestar 40 with my macbook. You can connect it via bluetooth or usb. For other brailletables then the default one in macosx, you can download cecibraille. It contains language tables such as german, french, ... When you use google to find this dmg, you'll get right away. Hope this helps, kr -Peter Op 17-jun-2010, om 18:37 heeft Mary Otten het volgende geschreven: Hi folks, I just had a look through the braille support section of the vo help, since I'm at least thinking about getting a display. I've never had one of my own; I use to use one at work, and it was wonderful for foreign language work. So now I have some questions that the help section didn't address. There was no mention of being able to have alternate language tables. I think I remember seeing reports that you can't do that. Is that right? I know there will be a bunch of them in ios4, and I was rather hoping that this would have migrated to SL, but I guess it didn't. I didn't see anything about being able to actually enter text using the keys which some displays have dedicated to that purpose, or if you own a notetaker like a braille sense plus, using that keyboard to enter text. Does that mean that text entry from the display is not possible? the number of displays supported is impressive. I'd be curious to hear what displays people are using and how that is working out for you. Somebody mentioned wanting a braillino. that's one I'd looked at, although the price tag is a bit high. I've never seen the special concave cells that Handytech uses. One of the toughest things about deciding n a display, aside from the money, is getting to really try a variety of them if you don't attend one of the big conventions. but I'm getting off topic. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac/vo braille support
Hi again, I forgot to mention that you can use the Handytech as an input device. :) Personally, I don't use it that way. I want the same behavior as when I connect my handytech to my LInux boxes. ;) grtz -Peter Op 18-jun-2010, om 09:45 heeft Peter Durieux het volgende geschreven: Hi Mary, I'm using a Handytech braillestar 40 with my macbook. You can connect it via bluetooth or usb. For other brailletables then the default one in macosx, you can download cecibraille. It contains language tables such as german, french, ... When you use google to find this dmg, you'll get right away. Hope this helps, kr -Peter Op 17-jun-2010, om 18:37 heeft Mary Otten het volgende geschreven: Hi folks, I just had a look through the braille support section of the vo help, since I'm at least thinking about getting a display. I've never had one of my own; I use to use one at work, and it was wonderful for foreign language work. So now I have some questions that the help section didn't address. There was no mention of being able to have alternate language tables. I think I remember seeing reports that you can't do that. Is that right? I know there will be a bunch of them in ios4, and I was rather hoping that this would have migrated to SL, but I guess it didn't. I didn't see anything about being able to actually enter text using the keys which some displays have dedicated to that purpose, or if you own a notetaker like a braille sense plus, using that keyboard to enter text. Does that mean that text entry from the display is not possible? the number of displays supported is impressive. I'd be curious to hear what displays people are using and how that is working out for you. Somebody mentioned wanting a braillino. that's one I'd looked at, although the price tag is a bit high. I've never seen the special concave cells that Handytech uses. One of the toughest things about deciding n a display, aside from the money, is getting to really try a variety of them if you don't attend one of the big conventions. but I'm getting off topic. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Prospective Mac User
Hi, What I do with Adium is when someone types a message if I've missed it is interact with the HTML area, hit VO-SHift-End to get to the last message received, and that's that. You don't have to scroll. So, if you know a few VO key shortcuts, messenger is just as good on windows, although I don't like system voice is Snow Leopard. Before, System Voice in regular Leopard 10.5 used to let VO interupt it when it was speaking. When System Voice is speaking now, if you command-tab you'll have to wait now for the System VOice to stop speaking for VO to say the window you just command-tabbed too. Sure, I know that Introvox voices have so that you don't have this problem, but I don't have the money at the moment. On Jun 17, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Chris Moore wrote: You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I must admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for other IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and share them. Is this possible for VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? I'm just curious. Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: Hi Kolby, I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment on hundreds of papers electronically as I do. Whether this is Apple's or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line is that Word files need to be translated through programs like Preview (which comes installed) or Pages in iworks, which requires laying out another $50 or $60. Some say the new freeware version of Open Office works better; I haven't tried, so I'd love to hear from
new apple user
Hi all, I've had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I've not had an opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I've been able to do some work on it. I'm going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury. I'm just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Prospective Mac User
You can have Adium read out messages automaticly with the system voice, however you'll face the problem I was talking about earlier in this thread. On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: hey thanks just tried that and it works a treat, shame it does not auto read out the new message automatically as it arrives, but still a damn sight better then the way I was using IM before. Just tried it with Adium, will try it with ichat/facebook when I get that working again. On 17 Jun 2010, at 11:47, John André Netland wrote: Here is what to do when doing IM with VoiceOver: •Navigate to the text field •Press control-option-shift-F3 to turn cursor tracking off •Navigate to the area for incoming messages •read and answer just by navigating the message area, you don't need to move to the text field. Just write and press enter. •Remember to press control-option-shift-F3 to turn curser tracking on before using other apps. This should work in all IM apps, like text chat in Skype, iChat etc. etc. Hope this helps someone. John André On 17. juni 2010, at 11.47, Chris Moore wrote: You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I must admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for other IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and share them. Is this possible for VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? I'm just curious. Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: Hi Kolby, I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment on hundreds of papers
Re: Prospective Mac User
Adium is pretty good with IRC, but I must admit, it lacks in some areas. X-Chat aqua I still not sure how to use actually, so yeah. I think we need a better client in that department. Aqua's preferences dialog is most certainly weird. On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: themac is great if you dont plan on doing any irc and don't expect much if anything in the way of amateur radio software. theonly ham radio software i have found so far that I have used that is accessible is mac doppler and it's abit expensive at $09 bu tit works On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Kolby Garrison wrote: Hello Everyone, I am considering purchasing a mac book pro, and I wanted to know what satisfied mac users have to say about the pros and cons of mac and windows. I have been researching voiceover, and it sounds like a very stable screen reading solution. I like the portable preferences feature, and from what I have read thus far I do believe that a mac book pro will be purchased in my very near future. I will go to an apple store for some hands on time with a mac, but if anyone would share your mac experiences with me I would appreciate it. I know that there will be a learning curve going from the windows operating system to the mac operating system, but I am ready and willing to learn all that I can. Thank you, Kolby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac/vo braille support
HI Mary, Braille input is possible using braille connect and snowleopard. I haven't tried input on the braille sense plus, mostly because I never could get the thing up and running on leopard and haven't bothered with it on Snowleopard. I think input is also possible with the alva BC640 when using the feature pack. Unfortunately they are only set up for 8 dot computer braille entry at this point, no grade two. Best, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, Website: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com Toll-free: 888-255-5194 On 2010-06-17, at 12:37 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Hi folks, I just had a look through the braille support section of the vo help, since I'm at least thinking about getting a display. I've never had one of my own; I use to use one at work, and it was wonderful for foreign language work. So now I have some questions that the help section didn't address. There was no mention of being able to have alternate language tables. I think I remember seeing reports that you can't do that. Is that right? I know there will be a bunch of them in ios4, and I was rather hoping that this would have migrated to SL, but I guess it didn't. I didn't see anything about being able to actually enter text using the keys which some displays have dedicated to that purpose, or if you own a notetaker like a braille sense plus, using that keyboard to enter text. Does that mean that text entry from the display is not possible? the number of displays supported is impressive. I'd be curious to hear what displays people are using and how that is working out for you. Somebody mentioned wanting a braillino. that's one I'd looked at, although the price tag is a bit high. I've never seen the special concave cells that Handytech uses. One of the toughest things about deciding n a display, aside from the money, is getting to really try a variety of them if you don't attend one of the big conventions. but I'm getting off topic. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: More trouble with saving podcasts and dropbox files and such with Safari
Hello Courtney, In places where VO-Shift-M ought to work but doesn't, route your mouse cursor to your VO cursor with VO-Command-F5 and then hold down the Control key and click with the physical mouse or trackpad. This will bring up a contextual menu. Cheers, Anne On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'm trying to download some podcasts to my Mack and when I press VO-space, it plays it. I do try to do VO-shift-M, but there's no option to download the linked file. And with direct links from Dropbox, it does the same thing. Any help with these two matters would be greatly appreciated. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: vertical alignment in Text edit
Hello Christina, I don't think you can centre text vertically in TextEdit. It's a good little word processor, but lacks many features you would find in a more professional application. Have you tried Pages? Cheers, Anne On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Christina wrote: Can I vertically center text on a page using Text edit? If so, how can I do this? I can't figure it out nor can I find any help via a google search. Thanks, Christina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
vr-stream is recognized on my macbook
Hi i got my vr-stream to work. All i had to do was to format the sd card on the stream itself and when i plugged it in it came up. Not sure if you guys new thought i would pass it along. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Prospective Mac User
Another really useful response, thank you. All this is information I will be using to get the most out of our day for as many people as possible. This netbook has a couple of years in it I should think, but I have a feeling it has received its last paid for update. My feeling is that by then, there will be no second thought about making the switch. I've already been shot down for being so excited about the trackpad, but I know it will be an important way of doing things. Few people are born blind and I totally believe that for somebody losing sight, even if they used Windows when sighted, switching to VO would be much easier for them than learning Jaws or NVDA. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura M Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:44 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User As to 1, I find messaging on the Mac to be much, much more enjoyable than I ever did on Windows. If you want to, you can use it the way you describe, so you don't have to switch back and forth between the message area and typing field, but even if you use it by tabbing between them, your place is generally remembered, at least on iChat. It also handles multi-person chats better than anything I ever had with Windows. and the best part is, it works without any kind of Jaws overlay. The same commands I use to switch between windows, or bring up contacts are exactly the same for non-Voiceover users. On a general point, I think listening to demos isn't a good way of figuring out whether you'll be efficient. They don't sound convincing in that regard, I know. That's no fault of the demos, I don't think. It's just hard because some of the concepts, like interacting, seem much more complicated than they are when you're just hearing about them. When you're using them, they're far more intuitive--or at least, they were for me. Once I started using it, I found that I loved the Voiceover way of doing things. I don't know if it's always more efficient (though I certainly don't think it's less), but it's more useful than that for me. Between group mode and the trackpad, I have a far better sense of how websites and screens work. There's a context that was never present with JAWS. I know, for example, how the mail program is laid out, or that certain webpages have easily accessible sidebars that I can instantly reach. That absolutely does make me more efficient, because instead of tabbing or arrowing everywhere, I can just touch where I want to be. Far, far fewer keystrokes. And because I know where things are, if I'm explaining something to a friend or family member, I can help them visually identify it far more easily than I could've with JAWS. It really has shortened the distance between how I use a computer and how my sighted friends do, and that's awesome. That's also why I like that VO doesn't make assumptions about what I want it to do, or decide that I'll inevitably want certain extra commands. There are some essential things that really do have to be there for basic functionality, and a lot of really cool stuff that just makes life easier, but I'm not relying on the kind of special JAWS scripts to get things done. Again, it increase parity between me and everyone else using Macs. I didn't know it at the time, but now I really do feel that JAWS was a layer between me and the operating system, which in many cases made it very difficult if scripts broke, or programs were updated, or I was simply trying to explain to a non- JAWS user how I did something. Now I tell them what steps I take, and in most cases, they can replicate them. On Jun 17, 10:35 am, Dave Taylor d...@cl333.plus.com wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things while
New Mac Mini
Apple has redesigned it's mac mini. It's now shorter (at just over an inch thick), but also wider (at approximately 7.1 square). The big thing on this one is, on the bottom, there is a round cover. Twist this cover, and remove it, and you are immediately granted access to the RAM. There is also a model range cut for the mini. You now just have the one lower priced (what I call consumer) model at $699, and then the server at $999. There's also an SD card slot on the back (come in from the left hand side, and it's on the top, above the two round audio ports). Finally, keep going beyond the SD card, towards the right. You will first find four USB 2.0 ports, and beyond the furthest right port (or the one closest to the center of the back of the Mini, however you prefer) there are two ports. One is the mini DVI port that's found on Apple's MacBook Pro. The one to the right of that is long, rectangular, and has an angular shape on the bottom. This is Apple's brand new HDMI port. This means that, if you have an HD TV, you can hook up your Mini and use your HD TV as the monitor. A full port description is as follows. If you come in from the right hand side, the back has the following ports from right to left: Power (switch), power (A/C adapter port), ethernet, Firewire 800 (the horizontal long line below this is a cooling vent), then thee's the HDMI port that I spoke of earlier, and the Mini DVI port. Finally, following on from the DVI port, again proceeding to the left, there is the four USB ports, and an SD card slot, and that's where you will see the left edge of your Mini. Below the SD card slot are two audio jacks. The one closest to the edge is headphone, and the one closest to the center is line-in. More info can be found at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ I'm curious about your opinion on this. For those who don't know, the Mini has been around since 2005, and this is it's first full redesign in five years. In my opinion, it was way overdue, and I'm glad they finally got around to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Considering the fact that unless you are a developer and obtained the beta via legitimate means, I cannot believe you have the nerve to ask how to install/upgrade software you
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I have to ask, How on earth can you stay on a call for 72 hours!? :) Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: You bring up some good points. If I can use the wireless then I do but if I use the 3g It will be limited to a bit of streaming, haytell, skype when I can get it to work but not for 72 hour calls like I do on the wireless. lol! I was actually surprised I was able to stream the 96kbps stereo for the 30 seconds before my phone yelled at me. lol. On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for us. It's not only free, but jumping ahead is not only a touch unethical considering, but a touch rude to boot. On 2010-06-12, at 8:58 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Considering the fact that unless you are a developer
Re: New Mac Mini
I personally think this is a good step taken by Apple. The introduction of HDMI on the mini is fantastic for those who wish to hook up a full computer to their HD TV. Internet browsing etc on the XBox/PS3 On 18 Jun 2010, at 12:11, Rob Lambert wrote: leaves a lot to be desired and the Mac mini fills the gap nicely. I know a great deal of my PC friends have been waiting for an HDMI Mac mini, so can see many people switching. I also know a number of bars that use the Mac mini to power power their displays, so having HDMI built in will make life easier. Also some low vision users will appreciate being able to easily connect a mac up to a huge TV will benefit from this. I know if I still have had my vision I would have bought one of these, as they are much better then the Apple TV. However I would have liked to have seen the Mac mini starting price at £499 to keep it below the £500 price tag as you can buy a Windows laptop for less then the price of the Mac mini. Would have also liked the Mac mini to be available in black too to fit in with most AV equipment. Maybe at its current price blu-ray should have been built in? Would like to see Apple add more TV like features too. Imagine talking menus and TV guide on a HDTV? now that would be useful as I find it very difficult to use my cable set top box since going blind. Apple has redesigned it's mac mini. It's now shorter (at just over an inch thick), but also wider (at approximately 7.1 square). The big thing on this one is, on the bottom, there is a round cover. Twist this cover, and remove it, and you are immediately granted access to the RAM. There is also a model range cut for the mini. You now just have the one lower priced (what I call consumer) model at $699, and then the server at $999. There's also an SD card slot on the back (come in from the left hand side, and it's on the top, above the two round audio ports). Finally, keep going beyond the SD card, towards the right. You will first find four USB 2.0 ports, and beyond the furthest right port (or the one closest to the center of the back of the Mini, however you prefer) there are two ports. One is the mini DVI port that's found on Apple's MacBook Pro. The one to the right of that is long, rectangular, and has an angular shape on the bottom. This is Apple's brand new HDMI port. This means that, if you have an HD TV, you can hook up your Mini and use your HD TV as the monitor. A full port description is as follows. If you come in from the right hand side, the back has the following ports from right to left: Power (switch), power (A/C adapter port), ethernet, Firewire 800 (the horizontal long line below this is a cooling vent), then thee's the HDMI port that I spoke of earlier, and the Mini DVI port. Finally, following on from the DVI port, again proceeding to the left, there is the four USB ports, and an SD card slot, and that's where you will see the left edge of your Mini. Below the SD card slot are two audio jacks. The one closest to the edge is headphone, and the one closest to the center is line-in. More info can be found at http://www.apple.com/macmini/ I'm curious about your opinion on this. For those who don't know, the Mini has been around since 2005, and this is it's first full redesign in five years. In my opinion, it was way overdue, and I'm glad they finally got around to it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
IChat (wasRe: Prospective Mac User)
Does Ichat still have that weird limitation as to who you can add to your contacts? Sorry, I know that's vague, I just remember that when I got my Mac last summer people were opting for Adium because of some issue pertaining to chatting with contacts from certain providers, like I think maybe those with Yahoo addresses? Thanks, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: Another really useful response, thank you. All this is information I will be using to get the most out of our day for as many people as possible. This netbook has a couple of years in it I should think, but I have a feeling it has received its last paid for update. My feeling is that by then, there will be no second thought about making the switch. I've already been shot down for being so excited about the trackpad, but I know it will be an important way of doing things. Few people are born blind and I totally believe that for somebody losing sight, even if they used Windows when sighted, switching to VO would be much easier for them than learning Jaws or NVDA. Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Laura M Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 12:44 AM To: MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User As to 1, I find messaging on the Mac to be much, much more enjoyable than I ever did on Windows. If you want to, you can use it the way you describe, so you don't have to switch back and forth between the message area and typing field, but even if you use it by tabbing between them, your place is generally remembered, at least on iChat. It also handles multi-person chats better than anything I ever had with Windows. and the best part is, it works without any kind of Jaws overlay. The same commands I use to switch between windows, or bring up contacts are exactly the same for non-Voiceover users. On a general point, I think listening to demos isn't a good way of figuring out whether you'll be efficient. They don't sound convincing in that regard, I know. That's no fault of the demos, I don't think. It's just hard because some of the concepts, like interacting, seem much more complicated than they are when you're just hearing about them. When you're using them, they're far more intuitive--or at least, they were for me. Once I started using it, I found that I loved the Voiceover way of doing things. I don't know if it's always more efficient (though I certainly don't think it's less), but it's more useful than that for me. Between group mode and the trackpad, I have a far better sense of how websites and screens work. There's a context that was never present with JAWS. I know, for example, how the mail program is laid out, or that certain webpages have easily accessible sidebars that I can instantly reach. That absolutely does make me more efficient, because instead of tabbing or arrowing everywhere, I can just touch where I want to be. Far, far fewer keystrokes. And because I know where things are, if I'm explaining something to a friend or family member, I can help them visually identify it far more easily than I could've with JAWS. It really has shortened the distance between how I use a computer and how my sighted friends do, and that's awesome. That's also why I like that VO doesn't make assumptions about what I want it to do, or decide that I'll inevitably want certain extra commands. There are some essential things that really do have to be there for basic functionality, and a lot of really cool stuff that just makes life easier, but I'm not relying on the kind of special JAWS scripts to get things done. Again, it increase parity between me and everyone else using Macs. I didn't know it at the time, but now I really do feel that JAWS was a layer between me and the operating system, which in many cases made it very difficult if scripts broke, or programs were updated, or I was simply trying to explain to a non- JAWS user how I did something. Now I tell them what steps I take, and in most cases, they can replicate them. On Jun 17, 10:35 am, Dave Taylor d...@cl333.plus.com wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt jumping ahead of the line to install unsanctioned product just because we can is a bit of a kick in the nuts to a company that has made itself usable out of the box for
MobileMe redesigned website
Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Definitely true. But both VZ and Sprint have better networks, that might give them some motivation, if Steve Jobs and friends hadn't chosen the brilliant plan of guaranteeing ATT customers because of the iPhone. Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17
Re: Prospective Mac User
well, you could type in /clear to clear the text and if you have key echo by characters on, that will interupt it. also if you use keyboard commanders like option t for time, that will interupt the system voice. On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Orin wrote: Hi, What I do with Adium is when someone types a message if I've missed it is interact with the HTML area, hit VO-SHift-End to get to the last message received, and that's that. You don't have to scroll. So, if you know a few VO key shortcuts, messenger is just as good on windows, although I don't like system voice is Snow Leopard. Before, System Voice in regular Leopard 10.5 used to let VO interupt it when it was speaking. When System Voice is speaking now, if you command-tab you'll have to wait now for the System VOice to stop speaking for VO to say the window you just command-tabbed too. Sure, I know that Introvox voices have so that you don't have this problem, but I don't have the money at the moment. On Jun 17, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Chris Moore wrote: You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I must admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for other IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and share them. Is this possible for VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? I'm just curious. Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: Hi Kolby, I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment on hundreds of papers electronically as I do. Whether this is Apple's or Microsoft's fault, the bottom line
Syncing playlists with Iphone
Hi all, How do you sync playlists to the Iphone? I checked the box to manually sync music, but every time I go to the playlists search tab, nothing comes up. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for your help in advance. Have a great day. Allison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Data plans
Hi all, Just my thoughts on this topic, but.. unlimited data is cool, but not that easy. Here in Belgium I pay 99 euro's for 20 hours of calling, 2 GB of data traffic. Another provider here in .be asks 15 euro for 50Mb, so If I see the prices elsewhere, for example in the .us, the data plans are pretty cheap and payable. Just my thoughts as I said. Kind regards, -Peter Op 18-jun-2010, om 14:51 heeft Ryan Mann het volgende geschreven: I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: MobileMe redesigned website
MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile. Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website From: olivianor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:48:56 -0700 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: new apple user
I don't know about running the adaptive technology stuff on the mac, soI'll leave that to someone who has more experience with open book, etc, but I wonder whether you've tried iWork and pages? These programs work just as well as MS word once you play around with them, and you'd eliminate the need for windows and jaws on the mac if you went that route. Also, there are OCR programs like Abby fine reader express which work well on the mac, and could potentially replace open book for you. Just a few things to think about. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:52 AM, denise avant wrote: Hi all, I’ve had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I’ve not had an opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I’ve been able to do some work on it. I’m going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury. I’m just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
haven't tried google sync, but I never use windows devices, so mobile me works well for what I need. Different solutions work for different people, though. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Blake Sinnett wrote: MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile. Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website From: olivianor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:48:56 -0700 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: MobileMe redesigned website
Hello, Personally, I absolutely adore Mobile Me.com. I think it is one of the best investments I've ever made. It's simple, secure, and Mac-Centric. While I use both the syncing features of Google on both an enterprise and personal level, as well as taking advantage of the vast resources of like features on Microsoft's SkyDrive and Live.com, I wouldn't give up my Mobile Me features for all the money in the world. Beside, I love the find my iPhone feature. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: MobileMe redesigned website MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile. Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website From: olivianor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:48:56 -0700 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: new apple user
Sorry to sound thick, what is OpenBook? is this some sort of OCR for the PC? And this Fine Reader is this expensive? I am hoping to get an iPal Solo from Humanware, but in the meantime I would like an OCR package that I can use to read my printed documents that come through the post. The only two OCR packages I am familiar with on the mac is IRIS and Omnipage. My Canon multi scan PIXMA 630 has basic OCR software with it, but it is totally inaccessible for VO users. Sorry as I have stated before I have only been blind a few months so this is all new to me. Olivia thank you for your offer of requesting to chat to me offline regarding my experiences with using a mac sighted and now using it without sight. I did actually write you a long email the other night and my ISP then died and I lost it, however I plan on writing to you again x On 18 Jun 2010, at 14:57, Olivia Norman wrote: I don't know about running the adaptive technology stuff on the mac, soI'll leave that to someone who has more experience with open book, etc, but I wonder whether you've tried iWork and pages? These programs work just as well as MS word once you play around with them, and you'd eliminate the need for windows and jaws on the mac if you went that route. Also, there are OCR programs like Abby fine reader express which work well on the mac, and could potentially replace open book for you. Just a few things to think about. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:52 AM, denise avant wrote: Hi all, I’ve had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I’ve not had an opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I’ve been able to do some work on it. I’m going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury. I’m just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: new apple user
Hello Denise, First, let me address all of those who have so kindly contacted me off-list. I will return your calls; I'm still playing catch up so forgive the delay, OK? Denise, I am comfortable in stating that any version of Windows 7 (32-bit recommended) will work just fine with VM Ware Fusion 3.1. Although I use Ultimate, there really is no good reason to spend the extra money on it unless you intend to use some very obscure and advanced features none of which I will list here. Denise, for the most part, setting up Fusion is pretty strait forward provided that you truly understand the concept of a virtual machine. While I'm sure there are many who will disagree with me, as a former beta tester working for VM Ware, I think Fusion is one of the best resources for those of us who require screen readers in a virtual environment. I should state that I have not used other virtual machine environments in over a year so you may wish to explore other options. Keep one thing in mind, although people love to say how easy the Mac is to use, that it is still a computer and we are a long ways from the interface that is observed in the Star Trek television series. So, give yourself time and study well before you engage the virtual machine project. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of denise avant Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:53 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: new apple user Hi all, I've had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I've not had an opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I've been able to do some work on it. I'm going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury. I'm just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
I have parallels installed on my Mac. I already had Windows xp installed via BootCamp which I used rarely for applications that you could not get to run on a Mac back in the day when I used to have a Nokia phone and a Sat nav that was not a tom tom. After losing my site I thought I would install Parallels to take advantage of my boot camp and read that it was better and faster then VMware.'s Fusion. I did needed some sighted assistance to set it up. Not sure if Fusion would be better then this. What I do like is that Zoom on the Mac seems to work on the Windows side too. I have downloaded JAWS 11 demo so I can try and learn it a little before I have to use it at work. I think the majority of people probably use Windows on their Mac occasionally to run the odd application that is not available for the Mac. I know others who use it for gaming. Life would be much easier if my Employer would just let me hook up my Mac to their network, but sadly everything they use is Microsoft. My experience of JAWS so far is awful! I started using VO before learning JAWS which is probably the opposite of most. It feels like taking a step backwards to be honest. Yes lots of things work, but I find it very clumsy not having a rota to flick between forms and headers and stuff. None of this press INS and function key whatever. Maybe in time I might prefer it, but I doubt it as I am a true Mac boy. On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hello Olivia, I would never dream of flaming you or anyone for asking an honest question. While I'm short on time, I wanted to give you an answer from someone who is not biased against either platform, something that is becoming harder and harder to find, sadly. I find that I am traveling great distances on the weekends, these days. For a while, I would take two computers with me my beloved MacBook Pro 13-inch, and my beloved Acer 7-inch NetBook, simply the most adorable thing I've ever seen. The reason why I take two is probably obvious; there are some programs in Windows 7, such as MS Money and OpenBook, that require Windows. Also, although I know Mac users will hate this, many web pages simply work better with Internet Explorer. Remember, I don't make the news, I simply report it so don't shoot the messenger, OK? (Smile) Also, I use GoldWave and I do so in Windows. Now, keep in mind that while my MacBook Pro is much larger than my cute little NetBook, it gets up to 3 times as long of battery life, it's much faster, and quite frankly, it provides a more enjoyable physical working platform. Now that I have a full working virtual machine with Windows 7 Ultimate with Jaws, I have the best of both worlds on one machine. Less cords to keep track of and a faster computer, to boot. Also, any resources I attach to the Mac, such as my Verizon Wireless AirCard, is automatically available to the Windows 7 virtual machine. Finally, since using Windows 7 Ultimate in a virtual environment, there is no need to run virus scanners or anything else that may slow down the Windows experience for, assuming I keep backup copies of the virtual machine, should anything get corrupted, (not likely to happen) I simply delete the infected machine and replace it with the backup copy complete with everything intact including my installed licensed copy of Jaws. I hope this helps you understand the benefit of a Windows virtual machine on a Mac. Oh! One more thing, with the current problems of Safari 5, it's nice to be able to quickly switch to Internet Explorer to enjoy the web. Olivia, remember, it's all about options and choices, the most wonderful liberty in the universe, to be sure. Have a wonderful day, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Hi everyone, I've been following the posts on Abbyy Fine reader. Is it like Kurzweil for Mac? Does it operate on the same principles as Kurzweil 1000? WHat I mean by this question is it possible to hook up a USB scanner and use Abbyy Fine Reader to scan a printed document? I need a scanning/reading solution for work. I really like the Intel Reader, but like most technology for the blind/visually impaired, it's way too expensive for my budget. Thank you in advance for all your assistance. Allison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
I use iDisk a heck of a lot. I have the iDisk icon listed on my desktop (go to finder preferences and tick external drives) I drag and drop aka copy and files to it. I can then retrieve them from my other mac computer and used to also access the data via mobile me (when I was sighted) at work. Not quite sure how I will do this now in mobileme. I do love the simplicity of syncing in mobile me though. Have no intention to sync to Windows devices. Oh and I forgot to mention the best bit, when i drag and drop files to my idisk I can access them on my iPhone too! Now if I could get some sort of device on my iPhone to read Daisy etc then I would not need to consider a Victor Stream Humanware must be getting worried! So they should as they are bloody expensive products. On 18 Jun 2010, at 14:48, Olivia Norman wrote: How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Install iOS 4 today!
Not enough competition? I can think of 4 other carriers off the top of my head. How much competition is needed? On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Ryan Mann wrote: I agree with you Donna. The problem is that there is not much competition in the phone carrier market in the United States, so Atnt is not really motivated to beaf up their network. For a perspective on why this is bad for consumers, read http://www.freepress.net/node/80372. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, but I wonder if you're right about people being more careful. I'm sure that some will, but many will probably just pay for the larger amount of data, and continue their current behavior. I think the better solution to the problem you're talking about would be for ATT to get their act together and build a decent infrastructure. Cheers, Donna On Jun 17, 2010, at 11:51 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: You know, I was angry about this. The more I think about it, though, the more I like it. Recently, when I travel to any large urban center in the US, network performance on my phone becomes degraded. Didn't used to be that way. Has become much worse in the last year or so. I know that is because, in large part, to all of the bazillion people on their iPhones. Previously, those people either didn't care, or didn't know enough, to affectively do anything on a smartphone that would consume a lot of bandwidth. Now, anyone can go get a cheap iPhone, and start lapping up all the bandwidth for $30 per month. You don't need many of those people in your area before most of the network capacity is gone. Sure, data will cost a bit more now. I'd like to pay less, but I can afford to pay more. However, paying more has the added benefit that most people won't be able to pay more, or at least will carefully consider what they're doing before they leave Pandora running on their iPhone all day at their desk, sucking up all of the capacity in the cell, etc. They'll be worried about bills now, which means they'll stay off the network, which means more bandwidth for me. I've noticed that just about any business that offers all you can use or all you can eat service starts to quickly drop off in quality. Think of those web hosting companies that promise unlimited bandwidth. Sure, the bandwidth for your site is unlimited, just like the bandwidth for the other thousand sites that they host are unlimited. The result is that you can download all you want, at a snail's pace. Who goes to a buffet restaurant for fine dining? It's better to pay a company a fee that actually manages to cover the costs for the service that they provide. If not, well, you descend in to the wonderfully high quality of unlimited web hosting and buffet dining. I think that I get more upset with ATT's network being clogged than I am about the price. If I can pay more to have it work well, then sign me up. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Thurman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 7:25 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Install iOS 4 today! how do you figure that if you don't actually USE your phone maybe, but i want an I phone for streaming and data NOT for yapping onthe phone i also want it for the echlink client and skype. i almost never talk on the telephone. and i can suck down 2 gb in a day I'd imagine. a couple hours of streaming audio a week and I'd bus tmy limit. at and t just needs to get off thier can and fix their outdated infastructure! it's not like I'm tryinh o ownload movies but 2 gb can't be worth anything and god forbid i ever did want to listen to something from netflix or huly great job the i pad will have an ap for netflix just in time for at and t to kill of any chance of acutlaly using it except at home. if I have to be home to stream audio with my I phone that I was going to buy I'd jus tuse my laptop On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: It sounds like your just mad for the sake of being mad. ATT is not screwing people over data prices per say. It is just the feeling of having limits placed on you. The timing was definitely grimy but, most people will end up saving money in the long run. On Jun 17, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: what is unethical is the fact that apple doesn't kick at and t in the ball sof r screwing us ont he data prices!!! i doubt i wil be getting a new I phone becuase of the screw job at and t is doing to us and verizon will surely screw us as well beofre they get the I phone it was expensive enugh beofre at and t decided to piss on all of us who want to get an I phone as for trying a beta it's a beta get real On Jun 12, 2010, at 10:17 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: right on scott the huge wait time is absolutely staggering, and to be blunt
gradual fade out with amadeus Pro
Hi all, I just learned something new in Amadeus Pro and I thought I'd share it. I was trying to get a song to gradually fade out for my podcast, I discovered if you go in to effects, fading, and then settings you will find lots of customizable options. If you set the fade out type to quadratic and the decay time to 4.3 seconds, you will have a nice gradual fade out of your audio. Just thought I'd share. Have a great day. Allison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi. I really miss a good scanning software for the mac. I am using finereader 10 in bootcamp or in vmware. I also like, that you can access your windows files from your mac, if for exampel your windows has broke down, that happens. Another thing is that if you use vmware you can install windows yourself you can do that with xp I am not sure when it comes to windows 7. There are also some good image solutions to backup your windows installation. Bootcamp you can use winclone. IF you make an installation in vmware you can simply backup the folder in which your windows is placed. I would also love if I could do everything with my mac, but it is not possible at the moment. But I love my mac, and I love everything I can do on it. I have got a lot of funy programs for my mac, I have never found for my windows. Best regards Annie. 2010/6/18, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
This makes great sense! Thanks for putting this so clearly! I do completely understand where you're coming from, and this is exactly the kind of information I was intersetd in obtaining! I'd probably be more inclined to use windows if screen readers were less expensive and more accessible. If you've already payed the price for jaws, though, I can see the benefits and why you would take this route! :) Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Olivia, I would never dream of flaming you or anyone for asking an honest question. While I'm short on time, I wanted to give you an answer from someone who is not biased against either platform, something that is becoming harder and harder to find, sadly. I find that I am traveling great distances on the weekends, these days. For a while, I would take two computers with me my beloved MacBook Pro 13-inch, and my beloved Acer 7-inch NetBook, simply the most adorable thing I've ever seen. The reason why I take two is probably obvious; there are some programs in Windows 7, such as MS Money and OpenBook, that require Windows. Also, although I know Mac users will hate this, many web pages simply work better with Internet Explorer. Remember, I don't make the news, I simply report it so don't shoot the messenger, OK? (Smile) Also, I use GoldWave and I do so in Windows. Now, keep in mind that while my MacBook Pro is much larger than my cute little NetBook, it gets up to 3 times as long of battery life, it's much faster, and quite frankly, it provides a more enjoyable physical working platform. Now that I have a full working virtual machine with Windows 7 Ultimate with Jaws, I have the best of both worlds on one machine. Less cords to keep track of and a faster computer, to boot. Also, any resources I attach to the Mac, such as my Verizon Wireless AirCard, is automatically available to the Windows 7 virtual machine. Finally, since using Windows 7 Ultimate in a virtual environment, there is no need to run virus scanners or anything else that may slow down the Windows experience for, assuming I keep backup copies of the virtual machine, should anything get corrupted, (not likely to happen) I simply delete the infected machine and replace it with the backup copy complete with everything intact including my installed licensed copy of Jaws. I hope this helps you understand the benefit of a Windows virtual machine on a Mac. Oh! One more thing, with the current problems of Safari 5, it's nice to be able to quickly switch to Internet Explorer to enjoy the web. Olivia, remember, it's all about options and choices, the most wonderful liberty in the universe, to be sure. Have a wonderful day, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Well put Mark. You know? A lot of times we do things just because we can. Like owning 2 pairs of sneakers. lol. You can only wear one pair at a time right? lol. But it just boils down to flexibility. There are things that the Mac with voiceover just don't or can't do at this point. Windows and a 3rd party screenreader fills this void for some people. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Olivia, I would never dream of flaming you or anyone for asking an honest question. While I'm short on time, I wanted to give you an answer from someone who is not biased against either platform, something that is becoming harder and harder to find, sadly. I find that I am traveling great distances on the weekends, these days. For a while, I would take two computers with me my beloved MacBook Pro 13-inch, and my beloved Acer 7-inch NetBook, simply the most adorable thing I've ever seen. The reason why I take two is probably obvious; there are some programs in Windows 7, such as MS Money and OpenBook, that require Windows. Also, although I know Mac users will hate this, many web pages simply work better with Internet Explorer. Remember, I don't make the news, I simply report it so don't shoot the messenger, OK? (Smile) Also, I use GoldWave and I do so in Windows. Now, keep in mind that while my MacBook Pro is much larger than my cute little NetBook, it gets up to 3 times as long of battery life, it's much faster, and quite frankly, it provides a more enjoyable physical working platform. Now that I have a full working virtual machine with Windows 7 Ultimate with Jaws, I have the best of both worlds on one machine. Less cords to keep track of and a faster computer, to boot. Also, any resources I attach to the Mac, such as my Verizon Wireless AirCard, is automatically available to the Windows 7 virtual machine. Finally, since using Windows 7 Ultimate in a virtual environment, there is no need to run virus scanners or anything else that may slow down the Windows experience for, assuming I keep backup copies of the virtual machine, should anything get corrupted, (not likely to happen) I simply delete the infected machine and replace it with the backup copy complete with everything intact including my installed licensed copy of Jaws. I hope this helps you understand the benefit of a Windows virtual machine on a Mac. Oh! One more thing, with the current problems of Safari 5, it's nice to be able to quickly switch to Internet Explorer to enjoy the web. Olivia, remember, it's all about options and choices, the most wonderful liberty in the universe, to be sure. Have a wonderful day, Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 7:06 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Sometimes it's a matter of circomstances... For example, I once upon a time took an online course for the blind. I had me a copy of windows xp pro from the machine that died and was replaced by my mac. At this time, we were using a ventrillo server to attend classes and the windows version worked better than the mac one. I also had iwork 08 which had not been made accessible, so at the time and for that place a vm running the hated os, with some slightly dated third party access solution fit the need for that time and place. On 2010-06-18, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
You're like me! I'm a true mac fan girl, and I'd never use jaws again, personally. I'm pretty lucky because I can use my mac at work, but I know unfortunately, that most places are still using windows and microsoft. I hope you're able to figure out jaws enough to use it for work. I am sure that there are people on this list who can give you some jaws tips and tricks. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:28 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I have parallels installed on my Mac. I already had Windows xp installed via BootCamp which I used rarely for applications that you could not get to run on a Mac back in the day when I used to have a Nokia phone and a Sat nav that was not a tom tom. After losing my site I thought I would install Parallels to take advantage of my boot camp and read that it was better and faster then VMware.'s Fusion. I did needed some sighted assistance to set it up. Not sure if Fusion would be better then this. What I do like is that Zoom on the Mac seems to work on the Windows side too. I have downloaded JAWS 11 demo so I can try and learn it a little before I have to use it at work. I think the majority of people probably use Windows on their Mac occasionally to run the odd application that is not available for the Mac. I know others who use it for gaming. Life would be much easier if my Employer would just let me hook up my Mac to their network, but sadly everything they use is Microsoft. My experience of JAWS so far is awful! I started using VO before learning JAWS which is probably the opposite of most. It feels like taking a step backwards to be honest. Yes lots of things work, but I find it very clumsy not having a rota to flick between forms and headers and stuff. None of this press INS and function key whatever. Maybe in time I might prefer it, but I doubt it as I am a true Mac boy. On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:05, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
It's interesting that blackboard didn't work for you. I was a student for a year lst winter, and I got great results with blackboard and safari. Hopefully, the mac will soon replace that expensive third party software for you! :) I totally understand that some still need windows, and I'm kind of enjoying finding out all of this information from all of you! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
There is at least one thing I've noticed that is more accessible than before. The actions menu can now be accessed with vo. One thing you have to do however, is turn off cursor tracking. When keyboard tracks with vo, nothing seems to work. Another note of interest: Mail rules are now stored on the server. I felt that was a major flaw in mobileme before. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A question about safari and braille
Hi all. I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before I send it. It is not only gmail also other sites with formfields. Has anybody else discovered any problems with safari and braille. Just now I have problems to get what I have just been writing shown on my braille display. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac/vo braille support
Hi Eric, By they are only set up for computer braille entry, I assume you mean vo, not the particular display, the bc640? Or did you mean just that display? Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
Mark, then you are going to absolutely love the new find my iPhone app. It's simple and fast. Of course it requires one to have access to an iPod touch, iPad or a friends iPhone with the app installed. Brett C. On Jun 18, 2010, at 8:10 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello, Personally, I absolutely adore Mobile Me.com. I think it is one of the best investments I've ever made. It's simple, secure, and Mac-Centric. While I use both the syncing features of Google on both an enterprise and personal level, as well as taking advantage of the vast resources of like features on Microsoft's SkyDrive and Live.com, I wouldn't give up my Mobile Me features for all the money in the world. Beside, I love the find my iPhone feature. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: MobileMe redesigned website MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile. Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website From: olivianor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:48:56 -0700 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hello, I am in the same boat. I have a lot of scanning to do, and started law school 2 years ago. There wasn't any great OCR solution for the mac, so I decided to install windows XP and kurzweil via fusion on my machine. I still use it to this day just for that purpose, but have replaced windows everywhere else. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: Sometimes it's a matter of circomstances... For example, I once upon a time took an online course for the blind. I had me a copy of windows xp pro from the machine that died and was replaced by my mac. At this time, we were using a ventrillo server to attend classes and the windows version worked better than the mac one. I also had iwork 08 which had not been made accessible, so at the time and for that place a vm running the hated os, with some slightly dated third party access solution fit the need for that time and place. On 2010-06-18, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi John, I have a copy of fusion and was planning to port an xp set up over to my Mac with the K1000. I'm using a bookedge scanner, and its driver installation is a bit nonstandard, hence the desire to port over, rather than just getting win7 and startig fresh. What scanner are you using with your k1000 and your fusion on your mac? Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hello Mary, The scanner I'm using is a fujitsu fi-6230. I like the scanner because of its super fast document feeder. You can get that bad boy going at sixty pages per minute. The other nice thing is that the document feeder supports double sided scanning, so where applicable you get both pages on a single pass. Some people will probably want to wring my neck for saying this, but when I scan books I get much better results when I unbind them, and feed the pages through the ADF. The flatbed is pretty good on this thing for other types of documents, but it really makes a mess when trying to recognize book pages. I haven't figured out why. John On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:48 AM, Mary Otten wrote: Hi John, I have a copy of fusion and was planning to port an xp set up over to my Mac with the K1000. I'm using a bookedge scanner, and its driver installation is a bit nonstandard, hence the desire to port over, rather than just getting win7 and startig fresh. What scanner are you using with your k1000 and your fusion on your mac? Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
Hi Olivia, you can simply configure finder to access your mobileme idkisk space. For information about configure idisk on your mac, see the apple support site or google can help. Also, the idisk appllication on the iphone is very accessible, instead of closing an opened document. Ok, at least I don't figured it out to close an opened doc. Hope this helps, Have a nice day. -Peter Op 18-jun-2010, om 15:48 heeft Olivia Norman het volgende geschreven: How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as the document was read out. The camera took a picture of the document and a second or so later the document was read out to me. You could take pictures of multiple pages too. tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac too. I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware like this. I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer. Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the document below. I want it now!!! On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote: Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Chris, I wouldn't mind that either! *smile* Has anyone seen the specifications for the camera in iPhone 4? Specifically, is the flash LED or xenon based? Cheers, Dónal -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: 18 June 2010 17:06 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as the document was read out. The camera took a picture of the document and a second or so later the document was read out to me. You could take pictures of multiple pages too. tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac too. I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware like this. I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer. Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the document below. I want it now!!! On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote: Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Yes, I've heard of that Humanware device, the Intel reader. Its got a hefty pricetag, and it doesn't run on a Mac either. the folks who make the IPAL are supposedly starting a beta test program for something that will run on a mac and use the same system for scanning as they have with Windows. Based on the price of the windows device, again, pricing is way up there. Openbook has a camera solution; is it actually out yet? And the add on is in the neighborhood of a grand. Again, pricy. Maybe some day the prices will come down. Paying a grand for an add on camera to an already expensive solution doesn't seem practical. I'm intrigued by the camera idea, but I would never pay a thousand for an add on or close to twice that for a stand alone solution. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Thanks, John. that Fujitsu doesn't sound like the scanner for me. I doubt the library would appreciate me cutting up their books. smile mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Read: Mike H a ? about Itunes
I have a ? is it possible when Using Itunes for play back to set up a compresser as a pre set at all or is there enny third party software that you can use so I could do this? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac/vo braille support
Hi Peter, Thanks for your reply about using the braille star. I'd love to see the Handytech braille cels. Apparently, its a unique design, and people either love it or hate it. its hard to picture how the concave cells are without getting your hands on a display. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
I think that ABEECEE (sp) is looking at developing a similar program for the Mac. Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as the document was read out. The camera took a picture of the document and a second or so later the document was read out to me. You could take pictures of multiple pages too. tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac too. I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware like this. I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer. Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the document below. I want it now!!! On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote: Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Also, with Iphone 4 now sporting a 5 megapixel camera, you have to believe that OCR apps will be created for it as well. Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:05 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as the document was read out. The camera took a picture of the document and a second or so later the document was read out to me. You could take pictures of multiple pages too. tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac too. I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware like this. I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer. Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the document below. I want it now!!! On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote: Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app for the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most efficient way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
The camera in the iPhone 4 is 5 megapixels and can operate in lower light conditions than the previous iPhone 3GS. The flash is LED which is probably better for OCR than Xenon. Apparently camera is pretty good, its not always about pixel count its about processing and also the size of the sensor that matters. I used to find that my Nokia might have more pixel but the image was not always that great. On 18 Jun 2010, at 17:13, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, I wouldn't mind that either! *smile* Has anyone seen the specifications for the camera in iPhone 4? Specifically, is the flash LED or xenon based? Cheers, Dónal -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: 18 June 2010 17:06 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac Maybe we are all thinking a bit too old school. Two weeks ago Humanware demonstrated document readers to me which used a camera instead. The camera was portable as it was on a fold up tripod type thing. The software was on a Windows machine which drove the camera, words were also displayed on screen as the document was read out. The camera took a picture of the document and a second or so later the document was read out to me. You could take pictures of multiple pages too. tHe speech quality was amazing, even better then Alex I have to be honest. I thought h I would buy this if I could use it on my Mac too. I wish Humanware would develop software for the Mac to drive hardware like this. I decided on the iPal Solo so I did not have to use a windows machine to read documents, as the iPal solo works completely without a computer. Who knows in about 2 years time we will all probably be reading printed material via the camera on the iPhone 6 or whatever. I can just picture a nifty stand you slide your iPhone or iPod Touch into to neatly take a picture of the document below. I want it now!!! On 18 Jun 2010, at 16:43, Mary Otten wrote: Hi allison, While I have not used abbyy for the Mac, based on what I've heard people say, no, it is nowhere near like K1000, which I have used for probably a decade. Yes, you can hook up a usb scanner, and if you get one that FR recognized, such as the hp 8300 pro or epson 200 or 300, I forget the full model designation, you can apparently scan directly without the need for a second app to do the scanning part and then transferring the file to abby for processing. But, as I understand it, you cannot scan and read simultaneously; you can't scan multiple pages into the same file. You can't scan and immediately read to check out setting accuracy. You have to let abbyy save the page to a file and then read it there. Lots more steps. Maybe ok for the occasional page. but totally not so for serious scanning. If my understanding of the limitation of fr express is incorrect, I hope somebody will correct me. I asked a guy I know who uses FR with the hp8300 and who has used k1000 if fr express could do the things I outlined above and he flatly said no. to be sure, there is a huge cost difference. But having an excellent efficient scanning solution is one reason I have no intention of giving up Windows for now. Using two applications where one will do, having to save to a file prior to reading and not being able have multiple pages in the same file, have it open and reading while I'm scanning, or even scanning one thing and reading another are all reasons why I can't see dumping windows for scanning/ocr purposes. If abbyy would come out with a full version of fine reader, that might be a different story. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
If the iPhone was docked into an L shaped stand like Humanware's iPal then multiple pages could be easily done. Turn the page and wait for the camera click, then turn to the next page and so on. Also the ability to upload the data direct to a computer like the iPal to take advantage of a better voice and processing power that is present on the iPhone would be very useful, but so would being able to read on the go with the built in abilities of the iPhone for reading menus and street signs and notices etc. On 18 Jun 2010, at 17:39, Mary Otten wrote: Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app for the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most efficient way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
No, probably not the most efficient method for scanning books. :) Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:39 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Yes, it will be great if they come out with an accessible scanning ocr app for the IPhone. But I don't think I see such an app being for the most efficient way to do books. Great for stuff on the go, however. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi Olivia, Well I can of course speak for myself, but let me share a few things with you: 1. I use windows only for school projects/related activities. Specifically I use OUtlook Express to follow the message postings, which are not a typical news group format. I have been after the developers of Unison for quite a while and they keep promising html support, which I think they implemented, but then they went off and broke accessibility of Unison now and I cannot use it for reading the news groups. 2. I am also needing to use Word and Power Point, which I have iWorks, but I have not mastered it sufficiently to write papers. I also do have windows on my MBP at work, however, there it is necessary since I have to be able to work with the software available and They do not offer alternatives yet. I am lucky in that my employer purchased the screen reader, which I can use on more than one machine and I did not have to pay for XP. So I am fortunate, not to have spent any money. Once I can ensure I will turn out good paper s using Pages, then I will have one less reason to waste my time with windows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Could you not use a Newsreader on the Mac similar to how news groups are displayed within Outlook Express? I have not used those type of news groups for years, but I am sure there will be something you could get on the Mac, this will mean less time on Windows On 18 Jun 2010, at 18:11, Scott Howell wrote: Hi Olivia, Well I can of course speak for myself, but let me share a few things with you: 1. I use windows only for school projects/related activities. Specifically I use OUtlook Express to follow the message postings, which are not a typical news group format. I have been after the developers of Unison for quite a while and they keep promising html support, which I think they implemented, but then they went off and broke accessibility of Unison now and I cannot use it for reading the news groups. 2. I am also needing to use Word and Power Point, which I have iWorks, but I have not mastered it sufficiently to write papers. I also do have windows on my MBP at work, however, there it is necessary since I have to be able to work with the software available and They do not offer alternatives yet. I am lucky in that my employer purchased the screen reader, which I can use on more than one machine and I did not have to pay for XP. So I am fortunate, not to have spent any money. Once I can ensure I will turn out good paper s using Pages, then I will have one less reason to waste my time with windows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Donna, Excuse my ignorance, but what audio software do you use on Windows and for what purpose? Chris On 18 Jun 2010, at 15:38, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like as well as Winamp. Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Prospective Mac User
Well said, Brandon!! On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:10 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: well, you could type in /clear to clear the text and if you have key echo by characters on, that will interupt it. also if you use keyboard commanders like option t for time, that will interupt the system voice. On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:52 AM, Orin wrote: Hi, What I do with Adium is when someone types a message if I've missed it is interact with the HTML area, hit VO-SHift-End to get to the last message received, and that's that. You don't have to scroll. So, if you know a few VO key shortcuts, messenger is just as good on windows, although I don't like system voice is Snow Leopard. Before, System Voice in regular Leopard 10.5 used to let VO interupt it when it was speaking. When System Voice is speaking now, if you command-tab you'll have to wait now for the System VOice to stop speaking for VO to say the window you just command-tabbed too. Sure, I know that Introvox voices have so that you don't have this problem, but I don't have the money at the moment. On Jun 17, 2010, at 5:47 AM, Chris Moore wrote: You can create keyboard command shortcuts to perform basic tasks, such as launch an application, tell you the current time, tell you how many unread messages you have and I have assigned a toggle between DOM and Group mode for when using Safari. mAC os x has scripting built into the OS which VoiceOver is part of too as VoiceOver is built into the OS its not an add on. Mac OS X has Automator too fa visual way to build many scripts. I must admit I have not used scripts yet as I am fairly new to VoiceOver too. Like you I would prefer a better way of using IM, it is a bit clumsy on the Mac I find. I wrote to Apple accessibility about iChat, I would like iChat to automatically speak out a message as it arrives in the active window so I can easily quickly type a response. Currently I have to move to the edit box and type my message and then navigate to the HTML window to read my replies in a conversation and a lot of the time (Adium) I have to keep scrolling down the entire history to read my last message received. Not sure if there is a better way. I think iChat supports VO +J but as I was about to try it Safari 5 seemed to mess up my iChat experience. I have seen JAWS use MSN Messenger for Windows and it is far superior, if we keep the pressure up with Apple hopefully iChat will work just as well. As for other IM applications, we are best writing to the developers directly. On 17 Jun 2010, at 10:35, Dave Taylor wrote: Here are some specific questions on areas where it appears Jaws is ahead. 1. In messenger programs, is it possible to have a set of keystrokes that will read messages and stay within the history area while being able to type in the edit area at the same time and review that typing? I would want to have a feature set like the alt plus numbers and arrows in Jaws otherwise it would be too slow. This is one of the main reasons I haven't switched to NVDA rather than Jaws. 2. In Skype, I can get to my contacts or conversations list with single keystrokes using ctrl 1 and ctrl 2, and focus most other areas with similar keystrokes. In addition to the feature I just asked for in messenger, how easy is this in Mac? 3. This one is not a Mac problem, but is really important to me. I use several programs that make tasks so easy in Windows that don't work on the Mac. How much does it cost to buy Windows stand alone these days to run those on a Mac? I'm thinking of SpeakOn which makes internet radio, podcasts and all sorts of other audio things much easier and gives you fantastic control over speed etc, Kurzweil 1000 which though expensive automates so much of my mail reading by simply scanning and automatically reading things while I'm doing things, and programs that don't even exist for Mac like the VIP communicator for the Accessible Friends Network and VIP Conduit. It is also possible with Jaws for people to write scripts to do things and share them. Is this possible for VO? -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Olivia Norman Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:13 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Prospective Mac User What do you feel Freedom Sciencefiction and jaws provide that VO lacks? I'm just curious. Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:25 PM, cathyk wrote: Hi Kolby, I bought my MacBook Pro about a month ago, and am largely happy. But there are a few important things to know. 1) VO doesn't work with all programs, notably MS Word. I was surprised that such an industry standard requires finding workarounds every time you open a document, which isn't ideal when doing collaborative writing projects or comment on hundreds of papers
Re: Prospective Mac User
Hmm I'll try irsi and see. I'm not perfisent with the terminal but I'll give it a go if I can find it. lol! Take care. S On Jun 18, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Orin wrote: Adium is pretty good with IRC, but I must admit, it lacks in some areas. X-Chat aqua I still not sure how to use actually, so yeah. I think we need a better client in that department. Aqua's preferences dialog is most certainly weird. On Jun 17, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Michael Thurman wrote: themac is great if you dont plan on doing any irc and don't expect much if anything in the way of amateur radio software. theonly ham radio software i have found so far that I have used that is accessible is mac doppler and it's abit expensive at $09 bu tit works On Jun 16, 2010, at 4:21 PM, Kolby Garrison wrote: Hello Everyone, I am considering purchasing a mac book pro, and I wanted to know what satisfied mac users have to say about the pros and cons of mac and windows. I have been researching voiceover, and it sounds like a very stable screen reading solution. I like the portable preferences feature, and from what I have read thus far I do believe that a mac book pro will be purchased in my very near future. I will go to an apple store for some hands on time with a mac, but if anyone would share your mac experiences with me I would appreciate it. I know that there will be a learning curve going from the windows operating system to the mac operating system, but I am ready and willing to learn all that I can. Thank you, Kolby -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: gradual fade out with amadeus Pro
OO! Thank you thank you thank you. I found my faids to abropt. I have some other questions but I'll ask you off list. Take care. S On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:43 AM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi all, I just learned something new in Amadeus Pro and I thought I'd share it. I was trying to get a song to gradually fade out for my podcast, I discovered if you go in to effects, fading, and then settings you will find lots of customizable options. If you set the fade out type to quadratic and the decay time to 4.3 seconds, you will have a nice gradual fade out of your audio. Just thought I'd share. Have a great day. Allison -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about safari and braille
Hi Annie, I had this problem as well. I'm using a BrailleNote Mpower and have to use different routing keys to perform the reading functions. The only way I have gotten this to work in my Gmail account is pressing VO shift down arrow before I proofread my E-mails. What type of display are you using? Allison On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before I send it. It is not only gmail also other sites with formfields. Has anybody else discovered any problems with safari and braille. Just now I have problems to get what I have just been writing shown on my braille display. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Growl
actually i my case it did. it stopped everything and I mean everything. lol! On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:42 PM, Brandon Misch wrote: yeah go to growl preferences and there should be a stop growl button. be aware that doing this will not stop any events you have set in applications like speaking any uncoming messages. On Jun 17, 2010, at 8:05 PM, Chris Snyder wrote: Hi again fellow mac folk, When I'm chatting in skype, every time the other person responds, I get this weird growl system wrap dialog thing. I end up having to command tab back to the chat window to read the response. Is there a way I can either modify growl's behavior, perhaps with a muzzle, or turn it off? Has anyone found a fix for this issue? Thanks again. I appreciate all of you and the awesome information I learn on this list. Friendly, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Abbyy fine reader for Mac
Hi Mary and all, I was under the impression that the Intel Reader was a portable device. Well, I think it is unless you use it with the capture station. I thought in listening to podcasts and demos about this product, that the great thing about the Intel Reader is that you don't have to be tied to a computer. It's funny that the voice on Intel reader I think is Loquendo Susan, she's as clear as a bell. But on Mobile Speak she's garbled. Allison On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Mary Otten wrote: Yes, I've heard of that Humanware device, the Intel reader. Its got a hefty pricetag, and it doesn't run on a Mac either. the folks who make the IPAL are supposedly starting a beta test program for something that will run on a mac and use the same system for scanning as they have with Windows. Based on the price of the windows device, again, pricing is way up there. Openbook has a camera solution; is it actually out yet? And the add on is in the neighborhood of a grand. Again, pricy. Maybe some day the prices will come down. Paying a grand for an add on camera to an already expensive solution doesn't seem practical. I'm intrigued by the camera idea, but I would never pay a thousand for an add on or close to twice that for a stand alone solution. Mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Yeah, I took a BLackboard course with safari and it wasn't all that bad. Messaging could use some work, though, as when I tried to message someone it for some reason came out blank on their end. On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: It's interesting that blackboard didn't work for you. I was a student for a year lst winter, and I got great results with blackboard and safari. Hopefully, the mac will soon replace that expensive third party software for you! :) I totally understand that some still need windows, and I'm kind of enjoying finding out all of this information from all of you! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: A question about safari and braille
Hi. I have tried with 3 different displays, a pacmate 40 cells display, a seika and a 12 cells vario connect, I have the same problem with all of them, and one of my friends has tried with a 40 cells vario connect, that is the same problem. I can not get it to work with interacting, I have still reading problems, now while I am writing the letters does not appear on my display while typing, sometimes but not all the time. I think it is an isue, that it is nescessarry to report. It was better in safari 4. Besst regards Annie. 2010/6/18, Allison Manzino gwennac...@gmail.com: Hi Annie, I had this problem as well. I'm using a BrailleNote Mpower and have to use different routing keys to perform the reading functions. The only way I have gotten this to work in my Gmail account is pressing VO shift down arrow before I proofread my E-mails. What type of display are you using? Allison On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before I send it. It is not only gmail also other sites with formfields. Has anybody else discovered any problems with safari and braille. Just now I have problems to get what I have just been writing shown on my braille display. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
The reason i do it as my broadcasting suite uses windows and i don't want to change it, pluss I have ot use sonar to edit and master stuff until I can afford protools le which will be a while but I'm patient. Take care. S On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:43 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, It seems that you guys had your success with blackboard from the student end. Donna sounds like she uses blackboard as a faculty member. Maybe there is a subtle difference that impairs the accessibility with VO hth On Jun 18, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Orin wrote: Yeah, I took a BLackboard course with safari and it wasn't all that bad. Messaging could use some work, though, as when I tried to message someone it for some reason came out blank on their end. On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:00 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: It's interesting that blackboard didn't work for you. I was a student for a year lst winter, and I got great results with blackboard and safari. Hopefully, the mac will soon replace that expensive third party software for you! :) I totally understand that some still need windows, and I'm kind of enjoying finding out all of this information from all of you! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Olivia Norman wrote: Hi Everyone, Now, this is just my opinion, so don't flame me to much, OK? :) I just don't understand totally why people install windows on the mac and what they use it for? It seems to me, and my admittedly limited experience with windows over the last few years, that it just simply isn't worth the trouble and expense for most people. Consider that windows isn't accessible out of the box, so you've often got to get some expensive third party solution like Jaws to make it accessible to you, as well as purchasing windows. I guess the question I'm asking here, is if you're going to shell out the cash for windows, and the third party access solutions, why get a mac in te first place? Also, from a VO users prospective, how difficult is it to switch between the two operating systems? I'm just curious, and if you're using windows, I would be interested in knowing why and how you switch between the OS's? Thanks for appeasing my curiosity! I'm sure there are totally good reasons for using windows on a mac, I'd just like to know why/what they are! Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are
Re: A question about safari and braille
Hi all, since 10.6.4, there are new problems with the braille. e.g. in forms on the internet in safari 5, only a part of the text in a form is visible on the brailledisplay. When you interact with a mail message, I think the vo-cursor is jumping to the button-bar (bad English). Also other issues: in 10.6.3, the text, element message..., that was shown on the brailledisplay was automatically selected. e.g. a mail-message, a menu-item... in 10.6.4 , I discover that I have to activate the element again before I can really work with it or select it. 10.6.4 seems to be a step backwards If someone find new features/bug fixes, pls tell me. best regards, William Op 18-jun-2010, om 20:47 heeft Annie Skov Nielsen het volgende geschreven: Hi. I have tried with 3 different displays, a pacmate 40 cells display, a seika and a 12 cells vario connect, I have the same problem with all of them, and one of my friends has tried with a 40 cells vario connect, that is the same problem. I can not get it to work with interacting, I have still reading problems, now while I am writing the letters does not appear on my display while typing, sometimes but not all the time. I think it is an isue, that it is nescessarry to report. It was better in safari 4. Besst regards Annie. 2010/6/18, Allison Manzino gwennac...@gmail.com: Hi Annie, I had this problem as well. I'm using a BrailleNote Mpower and have to use different routing keys to perform the reading functions. The only way I have gotten this to work in my Gmail account is pressing VO shift down arrow before I proofread my E-mails. What type of display are you using? Allison On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before I send it. It is not only gmail also other sites with formfields. Has anybody else discovered any problems with safari and braille. Just now I have problems to get what I have just been writing shown on my braille display. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about safari and braille
Hi all. Would one of you report the isues to apple, you are better in english than I am. Best regards Annie. 2010/6/18, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com: Hi all, since 10.6.4, there are new problems with the braille. e.g. in forms on the internet in safari 5, only a part of the text in a form is visible on the brailledisplay. When you interact with a mail message, I think the vo-cursor is jumping to the button-bar (bad English). Also other issues: in 10.6.3, the text, element message..., that was shown on the brailledisplay was automatically selected. e.g. a mail-message, a menu-item... in 10.6.4 , I discover that I have to activate the element again before I can really work with it or select it. 10.6.4 seems to be a step backwards If someone find new features/bug fixes, pls tell me. best regards, William Op 18-jun-2010, om 20:47 heeft Annie Skov Nielsen het volgende geschreven: Hi. I have tried with 3 different displays, a pacmate 40 cells display, a seika and a 12 cells vario connect, I have the same problem with all of them, and one of my friends has tried with a 40 cells vario connect, that is the same problem. I can not get it to work with interacting, I have still reading problems, now while I am writing the letters does not appear on my display while typing, sometimes but not all the time. I think it is an isue, that it is nescessarry to report. It was better in safari 4. Besst regards Annie. 2010/6/18, Allison Manzino gwennac...@gmail.com: Hi Annie, I had this problem as well. I'm using a BrailleNote Mpower and have to use different routing keys to perform the reading functions. The only way I have gotten this to work in my Gmail account is pressing VO shift down arrow before I proofread my E-mails. What type of display are you using? Allison On Jun 18, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi all. I have som problems with safari and braille at the moment. When I have wrote a mail in my gmail, my display does not follow what I am writing. I would like if I could see the last words i have just been writing. I have also some problems when I have to read the mail before I send it. It is not only gmail also other sites with formfields. Has anybody else discovered any problems with safari and braille. Just now I have problems to get what I have just been writing shown on my braille display. Best regards Annie. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
flash on the mac
Hello all, I 've just installed adobe's flashplayer v10.1 with safari 5 with the instructions of accessibility.. The installation was successful but I see no difference. I have tryed a site for speedtest , normally , it should have only 1 flash-object that's a button to start the stest. The html-matherial was empty. Are there people with other experiences? thx in advance, kind regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Hi! I went through a year of graduate school using pages to write my papers, and the lowest grade I got was a b+. I was able to format correctly, and accomplish all tasks just fine. If you would like some pointers and tips, feel free to email me off list, I'm happy to help! :) Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:11 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Hi Olivia, Well I can of course speak for myself, but let me share a few things with you: 1. I use windows only for school projects/related activities. Specifically I use OUtlook Express to follow the message postings, which are not a typical news group format. I have been after the developers of Unison for quite a while and they keep promising html support, which I think they implemented, but then they went off and broke accessibility of Unison now and I cannot use it for reading the news groups. 2. I am also needing to use Word and Power Point, which I have iWorks, but I have not mastered it sufficiently to write papers. I also do have windows on my MBP at work, however, there it is necessary since I have to be able to work with the software available and They do not offer alternatives yet. I am lucky in that my employer purchased the screen reader, which I can use on more than one machine and I did not have to pay for XP. So I am fortunate, not to have spent any money. Once I can ensure I will turn out good paper s using Pages, then I will have one less reason to waste my time with windows. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: MobileMe redesigned website
I also love the find my iPhone feature. Is this accessible with VO now? Last I checked it wasn't. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 7:10 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello, Personally, I absolutely adore Mobile Me.com. I think it is one of the best investments I've ever made. It's simple, secure, and Mac-Centric. While I use both the syncing features of Google on both an enterprise and personal level, as well as taking advantage of the vast resources of like features on Microsoft's SkyDrive and Live.com, I wouldn't give up my Mobile Me features for all the money in the world. Beside, I love the find my iPhone feature. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Blake Sinnett Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 6:56 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: MobileMe redesigned website MobileMe is a waste of money in my opinion. I sync my Gmail and contacts with Google Sync. This way I keep my contacts up to date no matter what device I'm using, whether it be running Windows, Mac, iOS or Windows Mobile. Subject: Re: MobileMe redesigned website From: olivianor...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 06:48:56 -0700 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com How do you even read your mail with the mobile me site? I just use Apple mail for this, and addressbook and iCal for the other things. Has anyone figured out iDisk? I love mobile me because it pushes all my contacts to all my devices, but I certainly find the web interface pretty inaccessible. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 18, 2010, at 6:02 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, Have any of you taken a look at the re-designed mobileme site yet? I am sure visually it is stunning, but it seems even less accessible then the previous site. Ok I can still read my mail, but trying to switch between applications such as calendars, contacts etc seems impossible. I am also trying to add a alias to my email and know how to do it if I was sighted, but trying to do this with VO is a nightmare. The only buttons that appear are listed under form controls, everything else shows up as empty (i.e. no headers or links) The item chooser brings up a great deal of options. Anyone else had better luck? This should be very straight forward to use but is not which surprises me when it is from Apple. I have sent an email to Apple accessibility, will let you know what they say. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Received the following from a friend. Apple quietly includes malware prevention update in Mac OS X 10.6.4 By Katie Marsal Published: 12:25 PM EST Apple silently updated its Snow Leopard malware protection in this week's Mac OS X 10.6.4 update, targeting a Trojan that disguises itself as iPhoto. Though the new protection wasn't specifically listed in any of Apple's documentation accompanying Mac OS X 10.6.4, security firm Sophos discovered the update in the XProtect.plist file, which contains signatures of potential Mac threats. The new threat, dubbed HellRTS by Apple, has been distributed by hackers since April in the form of iPhoto. Referred to as OSX/Pinhead-B by Sophos, the Trojan monitors browser activity unbeknownst to Mac users. It also makes a machine remotely accessible to the attacker, who can take complete control of the computer. If you did get infected by this malware then hackers would be able to send spam email from your Mac, take screenshots of what you are doing, access your files and clipboard and much more, said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant with Sophos. Cluley took a negative response to Apple's secrecy, suggesting that the Cupertino, Calif., company should instead make note that the latest update to Snow Leopard helps to thwart a potentially dangerous Trojan. You have to wonder whether their keeping quiet about an anti-malware security update like this was for marketing reasons, he wrote on the company's blog. Last September, Cluley also made note that users upgrading to Snow Leopard would see their version of Flash for Mac downgraded to an older, less secure version. Apple addressed the issue with an update a week later. Malware Released last August, Snow Leopard came with a built-in antimalware feature. While the previous version of Mac OS X, Leopard, flagged Internet downloads with metadata that alerted users when downloading files from the Web, Snow Leopard added an additional warning when disk images containing known malware installers are opened. Apple released its latest update for Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.4, on Tuesday. The security and maintenance update fixed issues that could cause a Mac keyboard or trackpad to become responsive, and also resolved a problem that could prevent some Adobe Creative Suite 3 applications from opening. table with 2 columns and 2 rows Filed under : Mac OS X Sent from the iPad I wish I had -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: flash on the mac
Yeah you can't use speeddtst.net nt he mac at all. at least I can't. Take care. S On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:52 PM, William Windels wrote: Hello all, I 've just installed adobe's flashplayer v10.1 with safari 5 with the instructions of accessibility.. The installation was successful but I see no difference. I have tryed a site for speedtest , normally , it should have only 1 flash-object that's a button to start the stest. The html-matherial was empty. Are there people with other experiences? thx in advance, kind regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
itunes 9.2 not synching
pi just updated to version 9.2 of itunes on my windows xp machine and now it is not detecting my ipadanyone else have. this problem? greg Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes 9.2 not synching
Hi, A friend of mine is having the same problem with an iPod classic on their windows machine On Jun 18, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Greg Weller wrote: pi just updated to version 9.2 of itunes on my windows xp machine and now it is not detecting my ipadanyone else have. this problem? greg Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
your untitled post?
Your fwd program is generating this mime html as appended below. If you don't need the html, please try pasting the file as plain text. Why does every line start with -- Please answer in plain text, not mime attached html. Thanks much again as always. Jim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: More trouble with saving podcasts and dropbox files and such with Safari
Hi, To start a download from a link, press option+return. Robert Carter On Jun 18, 2010, at 5:21 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Courtney, In places where VO-Shift-M ought to work but doesn't, route your mouse cursor to your VO cursor with VO-Command-F5 and then hold down the Control key and click with the physical mouse or trackpad. This will bring up a contextual menu. Cheers, Anne On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:27 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'm trying to download some podcasts to my Mack and when I press VO-space, it plays it. I do try to do VO-shift-M, but there's no option to download the linked file. And with direct links from Dropbox, it does the same thing. Any help with these two matters would be greatly appreciated. Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Yep foudn that on the mac voice over list. Well I'm updating now actually. Wish me luck. On Jun 18, 2010, at 1:30 PM, Charlie Doremus wrote: Received the following from a friend. Apple quietly includes malware prevention update in Mac OS X 10.6.4 By Katie Marsal Published: 12:25 PM EST Apple silently updated its Snow Leopard malware protection in this week's Mac OS X 10.6.4 update, targeting a Trojan that disguises itself as iPhoto. Though the new protection wasn't specifically listed in any of Apple's documentation accompanying Mac OS X 10.6.4, security firm Sophos discovered the update in the XProtect.plist file, which contains signatures of potential Mac threats. The new threat, dubbed HellRTS by Apple, has been distributed by hackers since April in the form of iPhoto. Referred to as OSX/Pinhead-B by Sophos, the Trojan monitors browser activity unbeknownst to Mac users. It also makes a machine remotely accessible to the attacker, who can take complete control of the computer. If you did get infected by this malware then hackers would be able to send spam email from your Mac, take screenshots of what you are doing, access your files and clipboard and much more, said Graham Cluley, senior technology consultant with Sophos. Cluley took a negative response to Apple's secrecy, suggesting that the Cupertino, Calif., company should instead make note that the latest update to Snow Leopard helps to thwart a potentially dangerous Trojan. You have to wonder whether their keeping quiet about an anti-malware security update like this was for marketing reasons, he wrote on the company's blog. Last September, Cluley also made note that users upgrading to Snow Leopard would see their version of Flash for Mac downgraded to an older, less secure version. Apple addressed the issue with an update a week later. Malware Released last August, Snow Leopard came with a built-in antimalware feature. While the previous version of Mac OS X, Leopard, flagged Internet downloads with metadata that alerted users when downloading files from the Web, Snow Leopard added an additional warning when disk images containing known malware installers are opened. Apple released its latest update for Snow Leopard, Mac OS X 10.6.4, on Tuesday. The security and maintenance update fixed issues that could cause a Mac keyboard or trackpad to become responsive, and also resolved a problem that could prevent some Adobe Creative Suite 3 applications from opening. table with 2 columns and 2 rows Filed under : Mac OS X Sent from the iPad I wish I had -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes 9.2 not synching
That was the strangest thing, I have literally just had the same problem on my mac, it may not be exactly the same problem as restarting itunes seemed to sort it out but earlier on while I was looking round the itunes store it froze up and made the whole laptop run slowly. It seems to be syncing my ipad now however I can't be sure right at the moment as it has been at it for at least 10 minutes and it never takes that long usually. I am starting to get a little worried. I'll update if it didn't work. It says it is syncing so I will believe it for now. Crossed fingers. :) Greg Weller wrote: pi just updated to version 9.2 of itunes on my windows xp machine and now it is not detecting my ipadanyone else have. this problem? greg Sent from my iPad -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
Hello, it's taken a while to respond to this post. It's good to find out that there is someone who knows actually where, like the University of Northern Colorado is. As far is good headphones, I do really like my terror of QC 15 headphones, from the Bose Corporation. I find that their grade in many different situations. Just my two cents about headphones. Have a nice day everybody. On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Carolyn wrote: Maurice: Hey there fellow coloradoan! If you're looking for a great set of headphones that have mic, and answer button, check out Bose web site and type in On-ear headset into their search. I have a pair that work wonderfully with my hearing aids. Go UNC!!! Carolyn CH Denver CO On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: I am curious about this as well, because I have a severe hearing Miles, and sold DOS must use hearing aids. Also my audiologist, has certainly emphasized to me that not using earbuds is certainly better than attempting to use them. Hope all are having a good day. Mori's minds, amateur radio call sign, KD0I KO. Northern Colorado amateur radio club, tri-band or editor. National Federation of the blind Colorado assistant news mind coordinator, office phone 970-373-3076. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address, in the eye in the EE 1...@bearsnotyouandceo.edu. Note this message has been dictated by using MacSpeech Dictate, some words may be spelled incorrectly, and/or be in the wrong context. So please forgive any errors. I appreciate your comments, so please send them to me. Thank you very much for reading this. Mori's minds, June 4, 2010. On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, That would be a great idea, if only they weren't earbuds. I can't fit them in my ears, I need regular headphones, so my question is, does Apple make regular headphones with the controls on them? Courtney On 04/06/2010, at 8:12 in the morning, Sarah Alawami wrote: Probably call the apple store or the att store. I dunno. I'm wondering th esame thing as I sit on a lot of my headphones by accident. S On Jun 4, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through one pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:). On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear! Hello Everyone, As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers via a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow Leopard. I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice set of Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and microphone. This included headset can be used to remotely control iPhone 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App. Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at least three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including getting the microphone wet. The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS earphones, I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. What do you think I discovered? You're right! The inline remote control acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons work to change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will open iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline remote volume buttons continue to function normally. So, go ahead and shove that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear. Enjoy, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: flash on the mac
Hi Sarah does this mean that the flash plugin not work for us or do you have visited already sites with flash successfully? If so, it would be nice if you give a example. Just for test of this new feature. best regards, William Op 18-jun-2010, om 22:34 heeft Sarah Alawami het volgende geschreven: Yeah you can't use speeddtst.net nt he mac at all. at least I can't. Take care. S On Jun 18, 2010, at 12:52 PM, William Windels wrote: Hello all, I 've just installed adobe's flashplayer v10.1 with safari 5 with the instructions of accessibility.. The installation was successful but I see no difference. I have tryed a site for speedtest , normally , it should have only 1 flash-object that's a button to start the stest. The html-matherial was empty. Are there people with other experiences? thx in advance, kind regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: DJ Sortware on the mac?
It should do, although it doesn't have jingle machines as such. /Krister 16 jun 2010 kl. 02.21 skrev Courtney Curran: Hi, So would this work to prerecord a show for a broadcast on an Internet Radio station? If not, what would? Sorry for the off-topicness. Courtney On Jun 15, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: For a really good solution, google for Djay for Mac. This has everything a dj could ever dream of and it makes it really easy to beat mix. And no, i'm not in any way afilliated with Algoridim, the people who makes Djay, i'm just a happy owner. Only thing that doesn't work with Vo at the time are buttons to change effects etc, which VO doesn't see, anyone found that it's not true or found a workaround for this? /Krister 15 jun 2010 kl. 02.38 skrev Allison Manzino: Hi GF, I just read about Nicecast and some DJsoftware on the Rogue Ameba site. I think their site is: http://www.rogueameba.com Allison On Jun 14, 2010, at 4:43 PM, clarence griffin wrote: I have a couple DJ gigs coming up and I want to know if there is anything that will allow me to setup play lists and maybe even preview songs before playing them out loud? iTunes is cool, and I know how to do play lists on that, but I can't send that to another card, and I don't want VO to be yelling at the crowd while they are dancing. lol. So Any thing out there that would be good for doing parties and such? Thanks. GF -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
please disregard questino on preview
For whatever reason, although the view menu in preview was set to view a pdf as single page continuous, the document I was having problems with wasn't reading like that. Reopening the document and preview solved the problem; no idea why it didn't work right the first time. mary -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything. For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for now, I run Sonar in BootCamp. I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel that I haven't spent the time to convert. There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any of that, you need Windows. Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't available for the Mac. I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can come and go in the outside world without them even noticing. If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to get Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself do something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they get right, and what they get wrong. Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough to only live in Mac world. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like as well as Winamp. Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want to commit to fine-reader without a demo, and use it in conjunction with Vuescan. My copy of Kurzweil works great, so I continue to scan on my old Windows machine. I also find that some Word docs with tables in them read much better in Windows than on the Mac. I also use the Duxbury translator, which runs under Windows. Also, several of us have noted that audio captchas work much better under windows than they do on the Mac. Moreover, at least on the faculty end, Blackboard works *much better under Windows, in fact, as of last winter, Safari 4 wasn't even supported. So, though I had not planned to continue using Windows, for all of the above reasons, I still do. My solution has been to simply hang onto my Windows machine. But if you can't do that for whatever reason, your only option is to run a dual-boot system on your Mac. I love my Mac, but right now it simply cannot completely replace my Windows machine. So, until it can, I'll be running both. Take care, Donna On Jun 18, 2010,
FW: new apple user
Hello mark and everyone, Thanks for your thoughtful answer. I don't know if this makes sense, but One of the reasons I'm looking at installing vm fusion with windows on the mac is so that I can start really using the mac. As long as I keep my windows machine set up in front of me, I'm going to default to it because its what I know. So I figure the sooner I set up vm fusion and windows 7 on the mac book pro, I'm likely to use the apple side of things more often. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 9:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: new apple user Hello Denise, First, let me address all of those who have so kindly contacted me off-list. I will return your calls; I'm still playing catch up so forgive the delay, OK? Denise, I am comfortable in stating that any version of Windows 7 (32-bit recommended) will work just fine with VM Ware Fusion 3.1. Although I use Ultimate, there really is no good reason to spend the extra money on it unless you intend to use some very obscure and advanced features none of which I will list here. Denise, for the most part, setting up Fusion is pretty strait forward provided that you truly understand the concept of a virtual machine. While I'm sure there are many who will disagree with me, as a former beta tester working for VM Ware, I think Fusion is one of the best resources for those of us who require screen readers in a virtual environment. I should state that I have not used other virtual machine environments in over a year so you may wish to explore other options. Keep one thing in mind, although people love to say how easy the Mac is to use, that it is still a computer and we are a long ways from the interface that is observed in the Star Trek television series. So, give yourself time and study well before you engage the virtual machine project. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of denise avant Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 1:53 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: new apple user Hi all, I've had my mac book pro for a couple of weeks now. While I've not had an opportunity to sit and learn it just yet, I've been able to do some work on it. I'm going to use vm fusion and perhaps windows 7 to run some of the important programs I need like ms word openbook, and Duxbury. I'm just wondering what version of windows 7 would be best? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow Leopard? Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting VoiceOver support from Developers yet there will quite a wait before we start to see more accessible stuff. Windows has had JAWS, Windows Eyes etc for many many years. VoiceOver is only 5 years old and in my opinion it only became usable fully in October last year. So I think we are doing pretty well all things considered. But I will soon be dipping my toe into the Windows world of accessibility at work. I do hope Logic Pro gains voice over support and Sound Studio etc to help rebalance the situation when it comes to audio. Don't expect support for Reason or record though, the developers have told that it is something they will not be doing. This is where JAWS can have an advantage of VoiceOver, as scripts can be made to over come this. On 19 Jun 2010, at 00:57, Bryan Smart wrote: I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything. For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for now, I run Sonar in BootCamp. I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel that I haven't spent the time to convert. There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any of that, you need Windows. Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't available for the Mac. I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can come and go in the outside world without them even noticing. If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to get Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself do something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they get right, and what they get wrong. Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough to only live in Mac world. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like as well as Winamp. Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to abandon Windows completely, but I have found that simply isn't possible. Right now, there is not a good scanning option for the Mac, unless you want
Re: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear!
Are your hearing aids not compatible with the Phonak iCom streamer ? This might save the need to wear headphones altogether On 18 Jun 2010, at 23:03, Maurice Mines wrote: Hello, it's taken a while to respond to this post. It's good to find out that there is someone who knows actually where, like the University of Northern Colorado is. As far is good headphones, I do really like my terror of QC 15 headphones, from the Bose Corporation. I find that their grade in many different situations. Just my two cents about headphones. Have a nice day everybody. On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Carolyn wrote: Maurice: Hey there fellow coloradoan! If you're looking for a great set of headphones that have mic, and answer button, check out Bose web site and type in On-ear headset into their search. I have a pair that work wonderfully with my hearing aids. Go UNC!!! Carolyn CH Denver CO On Jun 4, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: I am curious about this as well, because I have a severe hearing Miles, and sold DOS must use hearing aids. Also my audiologist, has certainly emphasized to me that not using earbuds is certainly better than attempting to use them. Hope all are having a good day. Mori's minds, amateur radio call sign, KD0I KO. Northern Colorado amateur radio club, tri-band or editor. National Federation of the blind Colorado assistant news mind coordinator, office phone 970-373-3076. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address, in the eye in the EE 1...@bearsnotyouandceo.edu. Note this message has been dictated by using MacSpeech Dictate, some words may be spelled incorrectly, and/or be in the wrong context. So please forgive any errors. I appreciate your comments, so please send them to me. Thank you very much for reading this. Mori's minds, June 4, 2010. On Jun 4, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, That would be a great idea, if only they weren't earbuds. I can't fit them in my ears, I need regular headphones, so my question is, does Apple make regular headphones with the controls on them? Courtney On 04/06/2010, at 8:12 in the morning, Sarah Alawami wrote: Probably call the apple store or the att store. I dunno. I'm wondering th esame thing as I sit on a lot of my headphones by accident. S On Jun 4, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: Hi Mark, where do you find the headset replacements... I've gone through one pair and stolen my fiance's from her iphone:). On 2010-06-03, at 1:17 PM, M. Taylor wrote: The following was posted to the Candle Shore BLOG: TIP: The Best Way to Shove That MacBook Pro In Your Ear! Hello Everyone, As a low vision Windows 7 and Mac Snow Leopard user, I access computers via a screen reader (JAWS) for Windows 7 and (VoiceOver) for Mac Snow Leopard. I also happen to be a very satisfied user of iPhone 3GS. Included with the iPhone 3GS, at the time of purchase, is a very nice set of Apple branded stereo earphones with inline 3-button remote control and microphone. This included headset can be used to remotely control iPhone 3GS volume level, dialing feature, and iPod App. Since the release of iPhone 3GS, I have damaged the microphone on at least three sets of these headsets by various sundry accidents including getting the microphone wet. The other day, while opening yet another pair of Apple iPhone 3GS earphones, I decided to attach the older pair to my MacBook Pro. What do you think I discovered? You're right! The inline remote control acts just like it does on my iPhone 3GS; that is, the volume buttons work to change the volume level of the MacBook Pro and the middle button will open iTunes. When iTunes is playing media, the headset inline remote control functions to navigate the playback just as it does on the iPhone 3GS. As a bonus, even when running Windows 7 in VM Ware's Fusion, the inline remote volume buttons continue to function normally. So, go ahead and shove that iPhone 3GS 3-button inline remote control headset with Microphone, attached to your MacBook Pro, in your ear. Enjoy, Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message
Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this?
My school mail is Microsoft Exchange and I get it on the Mac running Snow Leopard. On Jun 18, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Fair comments... However, wasn't Exchange support added to Mail with Snow Leopard? Whilst there is a smaller audience on the Mac front who are not requesting VoiceOver support from Developers yet there will quite a wait before we start to see more accessible stuff. Windows has had JAWS, Windows Eyes etc for many many years. VoiceOver is only 5 years old and in my opinion it only became usable fully in October last year. So I think we are doing pretty well all things considered. But I will soon be dipping my toe into the Windows world of accessibility at work. I do hope Logic Pro gains voice over support and Sound Studio etc to help rebalance the situation when it comes to audio. Don't expect support for Reason or record though, the developers have told that it is something they will not be doing. This is where JAWS can have an advantage of VoiceOver, as scripts can be made to over come this. On 19 Jun 2010, at 00:57, Bryan Smart wrote: I like the Mac, too, but it can't do everything. For music and audio production, we now have Pro Tools, but, for many tasks, software systems under Windows like Sonar still have superior access. So, for now, I run Sonar in BootCamp. I run a small business, and use Outlook and Excel extensively. Mac Mail doesn't have any server solution like Exchange. Numbers might be a replacement for Excel, but I have a huge set of templates built up in Excel that I haven't spent the time to convert. There are practically no accessible games for the Mac. The only ones that partly work are Audio Quake and Sound RTS, and those take a huge amount of manual hackery to get going. On Windows, there are several first person shooters (single and network player), RPG games, racing games, strategy/war games, board and card games, etc. If you have a Mac, and you want to use any of that, you need Windows. Plus, there is other specialty software like Klango and TeamTalk that aren't available for the Mac. I realize that this next remark could be taken badly. So, I want you to know that I'm trying to say it as constructively as possible. I might be wrong, but it is my understanding that you got one of the jobs that Apple posted recently. Congratulations. However, you'll poorly serve yourself and your employer if you allow your knowledge of accessible computing to start and stop with OS X. You can't evaluate your work unless you know the works of others such that you can judge your relative success. When I was at Microsoft, for example, people routinely had secondary machines in their offices that ran other OSes (like Linux variants). This was encouraged. If everyone lives in their own little bubble, surrounded by other people at the same company that also share the same little bubble, then entire trends can come and go in the outside world without them even noticing. If you're doing something accessibility related at Apple, then you should have Windows installed on a computer that you must routinely use for some required task, so that you'll force yourself to use it. You don't need to get Jaws. Get Window Eyes. get System Access. The point is to make yourself do something in Windows world so that you can have experience with what they get right, and what they get wrong. Anyway, I hope that you didn't get too upset by my response, either. I don't want to be critical, but, if you're trying to improve the accessibility situation on the Mac, you must know what others are trying. It isn't enough to only live in Mac world. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Friday, June 18, 2010 2:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: -- SPAM -- Re: installing windows on macs? What are the advantages/why do people opt for this? The only thing I use Windows for, and the only reason I installed it on the Mac as a Vm, is to use Winamp. I like Vlc but I just haven't found anything I like as well as Winamp. Also I've been a Windows used since the mid 90s so there are still a few times such as now with the Audible/Safari problem where it is just more convenient to go back to Windows temporarily. On Jun 18, 2010, at 10:38 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Olivia, Remember that a lot of us who are coming to the Mac now, have been Windows users for many years, which means, unfortunately, that we already own that expensive third-party software. :) Speaking only for myself of course, I got a Mac b/c I like the notion of out-of-the-box accessibility, and I want to support Apple in this approach. I would also be happy to stop paying for upgrades to that expensive 3rd-party software. When I bought my Mac, my plan had been to
