Re: some general question
Hello Robert, I too am just getting started, but can take a stab at a couple of your questions: Control+Option+shift+m brings up a context menu. Alternatively you may want to set up a command for this on the trackpad commander. You can quickly ascertain the time by double tapping with two fingers near the top of the trackpad and then tap with one finger near the upper right corner. I'll defer to others to cover your remaining questions. HTH. Geoff On Oct 1, 2010, at 1:48 AM, Robert Hooper wrote: I realize that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Me and my KNFB Reader Woos
Listers, How do I install the KNFB Reader software using the Mac? I don't have a screen reader package on the phone so this may make it doublely hard! Any help is appreciated! VaShaun, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Something weird with the Adress Book..
Hi Alison. Yes you can sync your contacts, calendars and address book over the air with Mobile me. I think its worth the investment, but you may think differently. Kawal. Kawal Gucukoglu On 1 Oct 2010, at 02:26 AM, Allison Manzino gwennac...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Kawal, I didn't know about Mobile Me. I forgot about that. I wonder if it's worth getting it. Is that the ap that lets you add contacts over the air with the iphone? I tried to add a new contact to the Iphone and it was an adventure :). I hope you are having a wonderful day. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! On Sep 30, 2010, at 6:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi Alison. Thanks for your help. I use Mobile Me so whatever I edit is up-to-date over the air with mobile me. Yes editing contacts can be difficult but practice makes perfect! Kawal. On 29 Sep 2010, at 12:47, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Tyler and Kawal, I just checked my addressbook and I do not seem to have this problem. I practiced editing a contact and this is what I did. 1. Open addressbook and select the contact you want to edit. 2. Once you find the name of the contact, hit VO shift M. 3. Arrow down to edit and hit enter. You should be able to edit the contact. I have the same problem Kawal does on the Iphone. I think it's because I don't click all contacts before I try to edit one. I know the edit button is located in the top right hand corner of the screen if the Iphone is facing you. THe only way I can edit contacts on it is to go in to phone, double tap contacts, then on the top left all contacts on the op right edit. I hope this helps. Have a wonderful day. Cheerfully Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! On Sep 29, 2010, at 5:20 AM, David Hole wrote: Hi folks. Right now I tried to edit contacts in my Adress Book. A weird thing that have happened, is that the buttons for removing data is greyed out, so I can't remove for example a phone number or adress or anything... Have some of you experienced something like that? If so, is there a way to solve this? Thanks so much in advance. -David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 +447576240421 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macvisionaries: voiceover and live chats
Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too. Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning keyboard tracking off? You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window. Chris On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote: hello, I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to read through all of them. it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover. any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macvisionaries: voiceover and live chats
tried that. I got no response from the live chat. it seems that something is amiss between safari and voiceover. I have posted a support request with apple. it may be a while before they respond. btw, if you can, get some braille overlays for your keyboard, this will facilitate learning braille while you type. see my page at http://www.youtube.com/user/VisionlessOne I talk about the keyboard overlays. you can find them on amazon.com. frankly, they are a bit overpriced for what they are. -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too. Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning keyboard tracking off? You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window. Chris On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote: hello, I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to read through all of them. it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover. any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Me and my KNFB Reader Woos
Why not get a demo of a screenreader on the phone? Also, if you have a card reader, copy the installation file onto it, and then go through the file manager on the phone. Hope this helps. Cheers Thuy On 01/10/2010, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Listers, How do I install the KNFB Reader software using the Mac? I don't have a screen reader package on the phone so this may make it doublely hard! Any help is appreciated! VaShaun, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macvisionaries: voiceover and live chats
I have only just started learning grade 1 braille. Fortunately I can touch type so I don't need any braille on my keyboard. Or am I missing something here? chris On 1 Oct 2010, at 09:35, Eric Oyen wrote: tried that. I got no response from the live chat. it seems that something is amiss between safari and voiceover. I have posted a support request with apple. it may be a while before they respond. btw, if you can, get some braille overlays for your keyboard, this will facilitate learning braille while you type. see my page at http://www.youtube.com/user/VisionlessOne I talk about the keyboard overlays. you can find them on amazon.com. frankly, they are a bit overpriced for what they are. -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too. Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning keyboard tracking off? You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window. Chris On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote: hello, I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to read through all of them. it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover. any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: some general question
Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realize that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: some general question
Hi Paul! I hope you mean mouse click, if so use vo+shift+spacebar hth Colin On 1 Oct 2010, at 10:29, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realise that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macvisionaries: voiceover and live chats
I am learning grade 1 now (on my own). the state seems to think that learning braille isn't an immediate need. Frankly, I think it is (along with independent living skills and OM training). They have on the priority 1 group but have deferred my status indefinitely (my case comes up for review again in 6 months). I find that to be unacceptable as I need training for jobs I am being offered NOW. no training = no job. Sometimes I don't understand why they are so penny wise and pound foolish. An employed disabled person is still a return on investment rather than a drain on the system. so? how did you lose your eyesight? -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I have only just started learning grade 1 braille. Fortunately I can touch type so I don't need any braille on my keyboard. Or am I missing something here? chris On 1 Oct 2010, at 09:35, Eric Oyen wrote: tried that. I got no response from the live chat. it seems that something is amiss between safari and voiceover. I have posted a support request with apple. it may be a while before they respond. btw, if you can, get some braille overlays for your keyboard, this will facilitate learning braille while you type. see my page at http://www.youtube.com/user/VisionlessOne I talk about the keyboard overlays. you can find them on amazon.com. frankly, they are a bit overpriced for what they are. -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too. Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning keyboard tracking off? You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window. Chris On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote: hello, I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to read through all of them. it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover. any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: macvisionaries: voiceover and live chats
Eric, Maybe we need to take this off list so we don't get in trouble from the moderators . So I will email you directly (unless the world really wants to hear my story lol). Chris On 1 Oct 2010, at 10:49, Eric Oyen wrote: I am learning grade 1 now (on my own). the state seems to think that learning braille isn't an immediate need. Frankly, I think it is (along with independent living skills and OM training). They have on the priority 1 group but have deferred my status indefinitely (my case comes up for review again in 6 months). I find that to be unacceptable as I need training for jobs I am being offered NOW. no training = no job. Sometimes I don't understand why they are so penny wise and pound foolish. An employed disabled person is still a return on investment rather than a drain on the system. so? how did you lose your eyesight? -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:15 AM, Chris Moore wrote: I have only just started learning grade 1 braille. Fortunately I can touch type so I don't need any braille on my keyboard. Or am I missing something here? chris On 1 Oct 2010, at 09:35, Eric Oyen wrote: tried that. I got no response from the live chat. it seems that something is amiss between safari and voiceover. I have posted a support request with apple. it may be a while before they respond. btw, if you can, get some braille overlays for your keyboard, this will facilitate learning braille while you type. see my page at http://www.youtube.com/user/VisionlessOne I talk about the keyboard overlays. you can find them on amazon.com. frankly, they are a bit overpriced for what they are. -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: Eric you are in good company as I went totally blind a few months ago too. Not sure if this will help your problem, but have you tried turning keyboard tracking off? You can do this by pressing VO+Shift+F3, simply press this when in the chat window (not the edit box) and then press VO+End if you want to be at the bottom of the chat window. Chris On 30 Sep 2010, at 19:25, Eric Oyen wrote: hello, I seem to be having a problem getting voiceover to track live chats on an html page (in this case: kingdom of loathing). I see this problem in other gui related chat clients (like skype and xchat irc client). is there a setting I can find that will change this behavior. so far, I am inundated with all the commands in the help menu and it takes a rather long time to read through all of them. it probably won't hurt you know that I am recently totally blind (less than 3 months) and I am still learning the basics of voiceover. any help you can offer I would greatly appreciate. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To
Re: seeking tips for interacting with a complicated website
I didn't try that. thanks. Donna On Oct 1, 2010, at 1:33 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: and if that fails click inside the edit field. Good luck. On Sep 30, 2010, at 10:11 PM, carlene knight wrote: Hi: Yu may have thought of this, already, but you need to interact with the text in order to edit it at all. On Sep 30, 2010, at 7:48 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips for working with a pretty complicated website. It's similar to Blackboard. It has multiple frames, and many different types of info on a page. Everything seems pretty accessible, except one thing. I need to be able to view and comment on a pretty large text edit field. I can read the text, but I can't write in the text field. I know this is doable, because I can do it on the PC. I tried turning of cursor tracking, but that didn't seem to help at all. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: 3 Questions for Snow Leopard Server Users
Hi Bryan, I suggest that if you have questions about Snow Leopard Server that you join the mac-access list. Last year the list owners completed transitioning their entire operations to Mac servers, so they're running Snow Leopard servers for their network services as well as using the Mac with VoiceOver for their personal computing. I don't know of any other sources with this same level of expertise in Mac server operations using VoiceOver. (Also, Gordon Smith produced the first really comprehensive podcast on Fusion and virtualization on the Mac, along with how to do the installations over 3 years ago for ACB Radio's Main Menu technology show.) Here's the link with information to subscribe to the mac-access list: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mailing-Lists.html HTH. Cheers, Esther On Sep 30, 2010, at 13:36, Bryan Jones wrote: Hi Listers -- If you're using SL Server as either a server or client OS would you mind answering the following 3 quick questions? I've done lots of research on this and read the literature, but am looking for some feedback from folks with real-world experience. 1. Using VO, are you able to access all functions of SL Server from the server console? (not a remote session) 2. Have you been able to install and run the same apps on SL server that you would run on SL Client? 3. If you're using SL Server as your client OS, do you experience any problems due to the fact that it is a server OS? For example, is it slower due to additional services running? TIA, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: audiobooks
Hi, It's not something you should have to know or be required to fiddle with just to listen to a book, but unlike most things in ITunes, this should actually be easy. Simply highlight all of your audiobook files in ITunes. Press Command I. Agree that yes you do want to edit multiple items. Make sure you are in the info tab. Check the genre checkbox, and type audiobooks in the edit box. Hit the OK button and in a few seconds you will hear the success bells. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-09-30, at 3:54 PM, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi Eric, How do you set the genre in the mp3 tags? I am ignorant on this subject, so please forgive my question. Have a great day. Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! On Sep 30, 2010, at 11:33 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: Hi, I'm no expert, but I think all you have to do is set the genra to audiobook in the tags of your mp3 files. It's not a huge inconvenience. Oh know, it's actually a lot nicer to have to jack around with the file info just to get them on your player, but I am about %95 sure that it will actually get you there. I don't think it matters how many files your book is. Your Ipod should recognize each set of files as an audiobook as long as they are all tagged properly. There should be no need to switch formats. Hope this helps. Erik Burggraaf User support consultant, One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person, 1-888-255-5194 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2010-09-29, at 8:56 PM, Rafaela Freundt wrote: hi all, i believe this topic has been discussed before but I am not sure an can't find it. if I have an mp3 audiobook, how do i convert it to the audiobook format the iPod uses to cinch it like that into my iPod using my mac? and also, what do i do if the audiobook is not only one file but multiple mp3 tracks? thanks and any help is appreciated, Rafaela -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: some general question
Hi Paul, it really just is a control-click. It means, hold down the control key and hit the mouse button. Basically, press down on the trackpad. Of course, the mouse has to be focussed on the item you want to click first, and in some instances, you actually can't use the VOiceOVer keystroke for this in which case you will have to use this method. Rgards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Oct 1, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realize that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: some general question
Nope. He means control click. The answer is simple. Just physcially do a control click. Works for me every time. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!! E-Mail: rforetjr at comcast dot net Skype Name: barefootedray On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:39 AM, Colin M wrote: Hi Paul! I hope you mean mouse click, if so use vo+shift+spacebar hth Colin On 1 Oct 2010, at 10:29, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realise that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Me and my KNFB Reader Woos
Good morning VaShaun, To install the latest version of the Reader, using a Mac, please do the following. 1. Please navigate with either Safari or Firefox to: http://www.knfbreader.com 2. Navigate to the My Reader link. 3. Navigate to the new user link 4. Fill out your information to create a user account and activate the register button once all of the required fields have been filled out. 5. Navigate to the Software activation link and enter your trial serial number in to the necessary field and press the next button to proceed. 6. Download the latest version of the knfbReader software, the English language pack, and the English documentation. All of the files should save to your Downloads folder in your home directory. 7. Power on your Nokia phone and press the menu key, navigate to applications, highlight the Reader application and press the clear/delete key located above the number 3. When a message appears asking you to confirm the removal of the application, please do so by pressing the left selection key. 8. Once the application has been removed from the device, please connect the device to your Mac using the provided USB cable. When the device has been connected, a message should appear on the phone screen asking you how you want to connect. Please navigate to the Mass storage item and press Ok. 9. At this point, you should see a new disc drive appear on your finder. Please navigate to your downloads folder and highlight all three of the files needed for installing the reader and press command C to copy the items to your clipboard. 10. Navigate to the mass storage device in your finder and open the disc. Press command V to paste the installation files on the phone. Once the files have finished transferring to the device, close the window and highlight the disc in the finder window and press command E to eject the device. Disconnect the phone from the computer. and navigate to applications/office/file manager. for instructions on how to use the File Manager on your phone. Use the File Manager on your phone to open the file named knfbReader_v_6_4_0.sis or kReader_v_6_3_4.sis depending on the product you are installing. 11. After a short time, your phone will ask you if you want to install the Reader. Press the Left-Select key to say yes to this prompt, as well as the other prompts that will come up. If you only plan to install one language pack, you can install to the phone memory when prompted where to install (this is the default), but if you plan to install more than one language pack, you should change the selection to either Mass Storage or Memory Card. Continue to press the Left-Select key to confirm the remaining prompt messages. Once the installation is complete, repeat the installation steps above with the language pack file that will be the user language, and again for the on-phone documentation pack. Make sure to install the language and documentation packs to the same location as the executable, either in the phone memory, mass storage or memory card, depending on your phone model. Repeat these steps again for each additional language pack you install, as well as the documentation pack file. 12. After installing the Mobile Reader and language pack or packs, you must activate the software. Turn the phone off, and then turn it back on so that the main screen appears with the time and date. If the bottom left of the phone screen says Reader, Talks or Mobile Speak will say Key 1 Reader, your phone has been pre-configured to launch the Reader with Left Selection key. If not, you can configure a shortcut yourself by using the phone's Personalization options; refer to the user manual for your phone model on our phone information page. The instructions below assume that the shortcut is set to the Left Selection key. Open the Reader application by pressing the Left-Select key while on the main screen and you will be presented with a message asking you to activate the software. If you do not have this shortcut, press the Menu key and navigate to the Applications folder. On the 6220 Classic, select the My Own folder within Applications. Navigate to the Reader icon and press the Select key to open it. 13. The Reader application will ask you to press the Left-Select key, in order to continue activation. Then, you can press the down button to hear the software code, and you can have it repeated as many times as you like by pressing the right directional button. Go back to the web browser on your computer with the page where you can download the Mobile Reader files (refer to steps 2,3 and 4). Select the Next button at the bottom of this page and then you will be prompted to enter a software code. Enter the software code from your Reader into the field on the web page and select the Finish button. 14. The web page will provide you with an Activation code which is a string of numbers. Enter this Activation code into your Reader
Re: some general question
I have to route the mouse cursor to the VoicOver cursor by pressing VO+command+f5. After that, I hold down the control key and actually click the mouse. I hope this helps:) Robert Hooper On Oct 1, 2010, at 5:29 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realize that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit
Tim and others, thanks for your fantastic help. I have a couple more questions if I may? If I tab at the beginning of a paragraph, do I get the usual 5 space indent to denote a paragraph? Also, is there any way to make my preferred font the default in text edit? Maybe I won't have to reach for that nasty windows machine next time after all. :) On Sep 28, 2010, at 11:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Kimberly, 1. To set the line spacing in TextEdit: • Stop Interacting with the Edit field. • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it. • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with VO-space. • choose your desired line spacing. 2. To choose a font: • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will begin from where the cursor is. • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window. • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table. • Interact With it. • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered Table. • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. (Add the fn key if on a laptop) • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go there without the mouse-click. • Press cmd-w to close the Font window. • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font. Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text. Just play around some more, it will come to you. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Hello folks: I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing. I've checked the fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing. Does anyone have experience with this? If so, could you give me a pointer or two? I would really appreciate it. I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated every minute of it! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
itunes question
Hi: Does anyone know if there is a way to not have everything you play automatically added to your itunes library? Thanks Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Savior, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: some general question
Hi Paul! I hope you mean mouse click, if so On 1 Oct 2010, at 10:29, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Robert, How do you perform a control click? I've been looking for the answer this week. I now have ways to get around it but the actual control click using voice over still is a little mystery. How do you do it? - Original Message - From: Robert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 7:48 AM Subject: some general question I realize that some or even all of these questions may have been covered on this list already, but as I am the recent recipient of a Macbook Pro, I have come across a few things to which I would like some answers conveniently placed in one message: 1. How do context menus work on the mac? So far, I have been routing mouse to VO cursor and pressing CTRL+click. Is there a shortcut for this? 2. How do I get Voiceover to read the entire row of a table without first navigating to it and pressing VO+r? The reason for this is I would like all Mail message information spoken rather than just the date or subject line; and I would like it to do so without excessive arrowing. 3. DOes there exist a way to quickly check status items such as the date/time without first pressing ctrl+F8 and arrowing around the extras? This isn't really a huge deal, I'm just wondering. So far this computer is working out great and I am very satisfied. I have my Ohio State University mail set up and it uses Exchange (which is awesome). Could someone explain the process of mounting a hardware device? I know this refers to connecting and making available a hardware device, but what exactly is going on when such is happening? Finally, as I am new to the Mac OsX platform, what are some suggested programs in which I may consider investing time/money (word processors, spreadsheets, general computer maintenance programs, archivers, audio converters, anything of interest)? So far I have had one day with my Mac and, although I still must rely on my dell for important work while I learn the platform, I can easily envision myself straying further and further from WIndows as time progresses. I am glad this list exists, as it is a definitive and helpful community regarding Apple accessibility in general and contains a wealth of information on such. I appreciate every one of you willing to contribute and I hope to one day do the same:) Sincerely, RObert Hooper hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu P.S. This is being sent from my Mac's Mail program:) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
Hi Peggy! Yes, when you have opened Itunes go to the preferences by the command [ command+, ] You should be on general then vo right arrow until you get to the when you put in a cd button! This might be set on import cd and eject or import cd button! If so select that button with vo+space bar and you will get a menu, just go to the one that says play cd vo+space bar again, then scroll right to the end to the ok button and press vo+space bar again and thats it! Of corse you will have to change it again to import! hth Colin On 1 Oct 2010, at 17:25, Peggy Fleischer wrote: Hi: Does anyone know if there is a way to not have everything you play automatically added to your itunes library? Thanks Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Saviour, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Fonts and line spacing in Text Edit
Thanks for this Ester. It really helps! :) On Sep 29, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Justin, Tim, Kimberly, and Others, I'd just like to add that after setting up fonts and line spacing in TextEdit you can simply save this setup as you own style file. Interact with the Styles pop up button in the ruler and select Other. Then press the Add to favorites button and supply a name for the style. You can check the boxes for Include the ruler as part of the style and include the font as part of the style. To use one of your saved style files when you open a new TextEdit window, first ensure that your window is set to rich text format (you can switch to this from the View menu), then choose the template from the pop up Styles button in the ruler. This will automatically set your page to the line spacing, font type, and alignment options that you set up for this style. Actually, I think that another simple way to set up a style file would be to simply import something like a Word document in the format you want (double spaced, and with a particular font) into TextEdit in rich text format, then save it as a specified style. I haven't done much with this lately, but I looked up a set of December 2008 posts I made in the old macvisionaries list archives that specified how to do this for someone who wanted to set up a letter template in TextEdit. Low vision users who use TextEdit in rich text mode can set quite large fonts as their default font style. Also, in response to Sarah's question in this thread about when a ruler appears in TextEdit, she's correct that the ruler is a feature of the rich text format documents and does not appear in plain text documents. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Sep 28, 2010, at 18:32, Justin Ekis wrote: Hi tim, This is helpful to me as well. I have one question about the VO-t command for hearing the current text attributes. For some reason, this command works fine for me when I open existing documents but all I get is one of the voiceover sounds when I use it in a newly created document. This is the same whether I use textedit, bean, or my trial version of pages. Any ideas what I might be missing On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi Kimberly, 1. To set the line spacing in TextEdit: • Stop Interacting with the Edit field. • Navigate to the Ruler and Interact With it. • Navigate to the Paragraph and Line Spacing menu and press it with VO-space. • choose your desired line spacing. 2. To choose a font: • Either highlight what you wish in a specific font or this font will begin from where the cursor is. • Press cmd-t to bring up the Font window. • Ignore most of the stuff but navigate to the Family Table. • Interact With it. • Navigate to your desired Font through the alphabetically ordered Table. • Once you have found it, bring the mouse cursor to it using VO-cmd-f5. (Add the fn key if on a laptop) • Press VO-shift-space for the mouse-click as focus doesn't really go there without the mouse-click. • Press cmd-w to close the Font window. • Start typing and your font will be in your desired font. Remember that you can press VO-t to confirm the font and style of your text. Just play around some more, it will come to you. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2010-09-28, at 8:27 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Hello folks: I would really love to use text edit to write essays for school, but most instructors like Times New Roman font and double spacing. I've checked the fonts out in text edit, but it seems very confusing. Does anyone have experience with this? If so, could you give me a pointer or two? I would really appreciate it. I had to drag out the windows machine and really hated every minute of it! :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
Thank you very much. That was a big help. On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Colin M wrote: Hi Peggy! Yes, when you have opened Itunes go to the preferences by the command [ command+, ] You should be on general then vo right arrow until you get to the when you put in a cd button! This might be set on import cd and eject or import cd button! If so select that button with vo+space bar and you will get a menu, just go to the one that says play cd vo+space bar again, then scroll right to the end to the ok button and press vo+space bar again and thats it! Of corse you will have to change it again to import! hth Colin On 1 Oct 2010, at 17:25, Peggy Fleischer wrote: Hi: Does anyone know if there is a way to not have everything you play automatically added to your itunes library? Thanks Peggy Fleischer peggyfleisc...@bellsouth.net Jude 1:24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, And to present you faultless Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy, 1:25 To God our Saviour, Who alone is wise, Be glory and majesty, Dominion and power, Both now and forever. Amen. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
XCode compile.
Greetings, I wanted to compile a helloWorld program in either objective C or C++ and apparently am not looking in the right place for for instructions on getting started. The developer site indicates that XCode is included with Snow Leopard, however I don't see it recursing into the application or library folders. I did see folders for sample scripts and a few programming languages in the library folder, but am giving up and thought I'd ask here for help getting going with XCode. TIA for any pointers. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: XCode compile.
Geoff, My understanding is that whilst you are able to code in xcode, running the program in the iPhone simulator will not be accessible. The suggested workaround is to sign up to the developer program, although $100 does seem a little bit steep to here vo say hello world. If you have jailbroken your phone however, I'm fairly sure that you would be able to put it onto the iPhone without having to pay apple. The ipa's (applications) that are on your phone are all signed y apple. Once you sign up to the program, I'm assuming apple will sign your ipa's there by allowing them onto your phone. However, if you have jailbroken, you can install an app called AppSync which will let your phone run unsigned ipa's. Sorry it's not the exact answer; I just thought I'd let you know about what you might encounter before you start. On 01/10/2010, GEOFF WAALER geoff.waa...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings, I wanted to compile a helloWorld program in either objective C or C++ and apparently am not looking in the right place for for instructions on getting started. The developer site indicates that XCode is included with Snow Leopard, however I don't see it recursing into the application or library folders. I did see folders for sample scripts and a few programming languages in the library folder, but am giving up and thought I'd ask here for help getting going with XCode. TIA for any pointers. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: XCode compile.
You can also check out GCC and the associated tools. There are Mac ports and they are pretty much the standard in the *nix world. On Oct 1, 2010, at 12:21 PM, GEOFF WAALER wrote: Greetings, I wanted to compile a helloWorld program in either objective C or C++ and apparently am not looking in the right place for for instructions on getting started. The developer site indicates that XCode is included with Snow Leopard, however I don't see it recursing into the application or library folders. I did see folders for sample scripts and a few programming languages in the library folder, but am giving up and thought I'd ask here for help getting going with XCode. TIA for any pointers. Geoff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
#o.t Can someone contact me off list about something please regarding bootcamp
Hello. Can someone contact me off list regarding bootcamp? I cannot get the same power from the speakers as I can from my mac side. the sound card drivers it installed are from suris logic inc and 100 percent is almost like about 50 percent on the mac side. I can get a lot out of my headphones but I don't want to where headphones across the room. Thanks. Sarah Alawami MSN: marri...@gmail.com aim: marri...@gmail.com: website: http://music.marrie.org face book: facebook.com/marrie youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com Mobile site for podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com/mobile/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
loving itunes so much that was useful info. Ian McNamara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver
Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to copy an address book card to an envelope in the envelope template of Pages. Does Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure. If not, is there a keyboard work around? Thanks so much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver
I can't get it work at all. I read how to do it in the vo manual but its procedural did not work either. On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Hunt wrote: Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to copy an address book card to an envelope in the envelope template of Pages. Does Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure. If not, is there a keyboard work around? Thanks so much. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
pages tutorial
hi i was wondering does anyone have a tutorial on pages? i'm having to use windows and microsoft word at the moment for university but one of the reasons i bought a mac was because i got fed up of paying for jaws. but at the moment i'm spending all my time in windows word processing. does anyone know of an in depth tutorial on how to use pages with voiceover? i know i maybe shooting in the dark here but if anyone can help i'd be greatly appriciated thanks Liam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
hi also just wondering what is the VO keystroke to fast forward and rewind in iTunes? thanks Liam Ian McNamara wrote: loving itunes so much that was useful info. Ian McNamara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
Liam, If you want to skip back/forward through a track, hold down command and option and use the left/right arrow keys. To skip from one track to another, use the left/right arrow keys. Of course keep in mind if you have quicknav active, these commands will not work. hth, On Oct 1, 2010, at 8:15 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote: hi also just wondering what is the VO keystroke to fast forward and rewind in iTunes? thanks Liam Ian McNamara wrote: loving itunes so much that was useful info. Ian McNamara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
Hi! Just a correction. Quick Nav is only used if you are using the arrow keys without any other keys when it is turned on. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Oct 2, 2010, at 2:25 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Liam, If you want to skip back/forward through a track, hold down command and option and use the left/right arrow keys. To skip from one track to another, use the left/right arrow keys. Of course keep in mind if you have quicknav active, these commands will not work. hth, On Oct 1, 2010, at 8:15 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote: hi also just wondering what is the VO keystroke to fast forward and rewind in iTunes? thanks Liam Ian McNamara wrote: loving itunes so much that was useful info. Ian McNamara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: pages tutorial
there is a built in tutorial for voiceover (command+option+H then arrow down to tutorial. its pretty in-depth and details all the commands. I am not sure this is what you want, but its certainly a must know. -Eric On Oct 1, 2010, at 4:00 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote: hi i was wondering does anyone have a tutorial on pages? i'm having to use windows and microsoft word at the moment for university but one of the reasons i bought a mac was because i got fed up of paying for jaws. but at the moment i'm spending all my time in windows word processing. does anyone know of an in depth tutorial on how to use pages with voiceover? i know i maybe shooting in the dark here but if anyone can help i'd be greatly appriciated thanks Liam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Eric Oyen - N7ZZT Phoenix Arizona Geocode: 33.488462 -112.234926 N33° 29.3077', W112° 14.0956' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: itunes question
Huh, Nic you are correct. I did make an error. If quicknav is on, you can still change tracks and move about in the track. Should not reply to messages when my brain is not fully engaged. :) On Oct 1, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Just a correction. Quick Nav is only used if you are using the arrow keys without any other keys when it is turned on. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Oct 2, 2010, at 2:25 AM, Scott Howell wrote: Liam, If you want to skip back/forward through a track, hold down command and option and use the left/right arrow keys. To skip from one track to another, use the left/right arrow keys. Of course keep in mind if you have quicknav active, these commands will not work. hth, On Oct 1, 2010, at 8:15 PM, DJ Nezumi wrote: hi also just wondering what is the VO keystroke to fast forward and rewind in iTunes? thanks Liam Ian McNamara wrote: loving itunes so much that was useful info. Ian McNamara -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
