Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread William Windels
Hello Jürgen,
Thanx for this announcement.
I'll report this for shore because this seems simply unacceptable in 2011.
I hope a lot of others will do so.
But also a litle remark:
It isn't perhaps macosx that needs this feature but the particular programs 
like textedit and pages.
I mean, perhaps they will add this functionality in iworks 11, (the next major 
version).

So, for all, pls , report  what you think about it to accessibility.

Best regards,
William   
Op 6-apr-2011, om 22:40 heeft Jürgen Fleger het volgende geschreven:

 
 Hi All,
 
 a friend told me VO still doesn't work with tables in text documents in Lion 
 beta 2 what came out these days. As you all surely know tables in text 
 documents are a huge issue working with VoiceOver.
 
 I think this is awful and unworthy to VoiceOver. VO is really a great screen 
 reader but it seems not to be tolerable in 2011 that a screen reader doesn't 
 work with tables. 
 
 So I'll ask all of you to write an e-mail to 
 accessibil...@apple.com 
 to show that a lot of people are waiting for the ability of VO to recognize 
 tables in text documents.
 
 In lots of discussions people told me What? VoiceOver doesn't recognize 
 tables in text documents? So VO might not be a serious screen reader.
 
 But that's not true, as we all know. And so my hope is when enough people 
 write an e-mail to Apple and ask for that functionallity, Apple might see 
 that it is really important to us.
 
 Thanks and
 all the best
 Jürgen
 
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RE: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Dickson Tan
Hi

Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare isn't a
viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over. I'll give
virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results. 

I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something like
IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't found out
either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer Aspire 4750G. I'm
not sure how well snow leopard would react to the fact that I'm using a core
I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated intel HD
Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures to work even if I
successfully get mac installed. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using boot132, wait
for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk, insert snowy,
complete the install potentially without voice over and then get audio plus
some other things working post install. Its not something you'll be able to
do on your own.

It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to set up
a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello All



 I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail 
 version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard under 
 a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the 
 investment of getting a macbook.



 There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard into 
 a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put the snow 
 leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch voice-over 
 during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound. Either 
 voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since I have a 
 snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound during boottime in
the vm.



 Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



 Regards

 Dickson

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Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher Peppel
Hi Everyone:

A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and possible 
Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by itself 
for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software for the 
PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the money, I 
will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.

Chris

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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
What exactly is IPal?  I've heard of IPOd, IPad, ITV, IPhone, ILife, and 
IWorks, IMovie, IPHoto, IDVD, and maybe one or two more, but IPal?  Someone 
fill me in.  LOL!

Chris.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and possible 
 Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by itself 
 for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software for the 
 PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the money, I 
 will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Colin M
Hi Chris!
I can see where your coming from hahahahaha!
But as far as I know, I pal is not a Apple product!
It is a stand alone ocr camera and it was for the other side!
But I think you can get a sort of Mac software for it!
I'm sure someone who is more knowledgeable than me will give you more!
Colin

I'm far too bad for Heaven!
The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!

On 7 Apr 2011, at 11:26, Chris Gilland wrote:

 What exactly is IPal?  I've heard of IPOd, IPad, ITV, IPhone, ILife, and 
 IWorks, IMovie, IPHoto, IDVD, and maybe one or two more, but IPal?  Someone 
 fill me in.  LOL!
 
 Chris.
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and possible 
 Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by itself 
 for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software for the 
 PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the money, I 
 will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
 Chris
 
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esys braille display and cardreader

2011-04-07 Thread William Windels
Hello all,

I have a esys 40 brailledisplay and I have 2 questions:

1. it seems not possible to view the contents of the inserted card of my  essys 
brailledisplay.
 I would like to see the card as extern media in my finder while the display is 
connected.
If this works for some of you, is this working with a bluetooth-connection or 
only with a usb-connection?

2. I have set some vo-functions to keys on the brailledisplay.
Are this settings loaded with usb- and bluetooth connections if they are set 
while the display was connected with us are are they valid foor the 2 types of 
connection?

Thanx alot for your help,

best regards,
William Windelsb 

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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread erik burggraaf
I have one here, and I have to say the current hardware rocks my world.  The 
accuracy is outstanding.  The software interface for the mac needs to be 
completely rebuilt but I've been told they are working on it.  Basicly the mac 
software is just the windows software, only hacked to run in a virtual 
environment.  It's not pretty but it does get the job done.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2011-04-07, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and possible 
 Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by itself 
 for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software for the 
 PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the money, I 
 will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
 Chris
 
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Re: esys braille display and cardreader

2011-04-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi William.

I too have an Essys 40 braille display and thus far I haven't been able to 
connect via bluetooth as the display was recently upgraded.  However I know I 
can connect it.

When connecting the display with the USB then I see the display as a disk but 
the volume is unnamed.  I haven't tried going into the volume as yet.

I haven't done much with the display using the Mac as yet so can't help you on 
your second part of the question.  I am more familar with the display connected 
to my I phone.

Kawal. 
On 7 Apr 2011, at 12:03, William Windels wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I have a esys 40 brailledisplay and I have 2 questions:
 
 1. it seems not possible to view the contents of the inserted card of my  
 essys brailledisplay.
 I would like to see the card as extern media in my finder while the display 
 is connected.
 If this works for some of you, is this working with a bluetooth-connection or 
 only with a usb-connection?
 
 2. I have set some vo-functions to keys on the brailledisplay.
 Are this settings loaded with usb- and bluetooth connections if they are set 
 while the display was connected with us are are they valid foor the 2 types 
 of connection?
 
 Thanx alot for your help,
 
 best regards,
 William Windelsb 
 
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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi William,

thanks for your responds.

I don't think that it's very likely that VO will recognize tables in iWorks 11. 
Also: VoiceOver should work with tables in all accessible editors. I want to 
use all accessible programed editors with VO, also the free ones like Bean.

Thank you for your report to Apple.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 07.04.2011 um 08:47 schrieb William Windels:

 Hello Jürgen,
 Thanx for this announcement.
 I'll report this for shore because this seems simply unacceptable in 2011.
 I hope a lot of others will do so.
 But also a litle remark:
 It isn't perhaps macosx that needs this feature but the particular programs 
 like textedit and pages.
 I mean, perhaps they will add this functionality in iworks 11, (the next 
 major version).
 
 So, for all, pls , report  what you think about it to accessibility.
 
 Best regards,
 William   
 Op 6-apr-2011, om 22:40 heeft Jürgen Fleger het volgende geschreven:
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 a friend told me VO still doesn't work with tables in text documents in Lion 
 beta 2 what came out these days. As you all surely know tables in text 
 documents are a huge issue working with VoiceOver.
 
 I think this is awful and unworthy to VoiceOver. VO is really a great screen 
 reader but it seems not to be tolerable in 2011 that a screen reader doesn't 
 work with tables. 
 
 So I'll ask all of you to write an e-mail to 
 accessibil...@apple.com 
 to show that a lot of people are waiting for the ability of VO to recognize 
 tables in text documents.
 
 In lots of discussions people told me What? VoiceOver doesn't recognize 
 tables in text documents? So VO might not be a serious screen reader.
 
 But that's not true, as we all know. And so my hope is when enough people 
 write an e-mail to Apple and ask for that functionallity, Apple might see 
 that it is really important to us.
 
 Thanks and
 all the best
 Jürgen
 
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Re: VMWare fusion and Windows 7 64 byt

2011-04-07 Thread Kevin Shaw
I was under the impression that Windows 7 functioned optimally with 4 GB of 
RAM, even though its spec called for a 2 GB minimum. I've always been in the 
habit of doubling whatever Microsoft tells me. 

In this case, would it not be better to run Win 7 64 bit under Boot Camp? 
Especially on a DuoCore processor?

Kevin

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Re: VMWare fusion and Windows 7 64 byt

2011-04-07 Thread ashley cox
no, not particularly. if you have 4 gb, sl will run fine in 2 gb, and
windows 7 loves ram.

On 4/7/11, Kevin Shaw tvsound...@rogers.com wrote:
 I was under the impression that Windows 7 functioned optimally with 4 GB of
 RAM, even though its spec called for a 2 GB minimum. I've always been in the
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 In this case, would it not be better to run Win 7 64 bit under Boot Camp?
 Especially on a DuoCore processor?

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Re: VMWare fusion and Windows 7 64 byt

2011-04-07 Thread E.J. Zufelt
I am using a MacBook with a Core2 2.0ghz and 4GB RAM.  I give half of the 
memory to Windows 7 and it runs well enough for me.  Windows XP is certainly 
snappier, but I find that Windows 7 runs reasonably well.

HTH,
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On 2011-04-07, at 7:48 AM, Kevin Shaw wrote:

 I was under the impression that Windows 7 functioned optimally with 4 GB of 
 RAM, even though its spec called for a 2 GB minimum. I've always been in the 
 habit of doubling whatever Microsoft tells me. 
 
 In this case, would it not be better to run Win 7 64 bit under Boot Camp? 
 Especially on a DuoCore processor?
 
 Kevin
 
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Re: is logic accessible?

2011-04-07 Thread bigboy529
t accessible, your best bet would be to try garage band accept if you want 
to try pro tools which sells for about $600.

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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Courtney Curran
Hi,
I also have a question about that same version of Skype, how do you see your 
source list when you're in a call with someone? 
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:

 Hey guys,
 
 I'm having one of the most bazaar situations with Skype on my new macbook.  
 Yes, for those who remember me from way back when, yes! I finally got a 
 macbook!  Snow leo and all!
 
 Anyway, this isn't the old skype 2.x we're dealing with.  I have the newest 
 5.0, I think it is.  It's definitely 5.something.  
 
 Anyway, when in a Skype call, how in the cotton picken hell! parden the 
 language, do you get to the end call button?
 
 The only way I'm seeing to hang up is to hit command w, then when it says 
 there is an active call, I can do vo+end, and hit the close button, which of 
 course will do the trick, but I figure there has got! to be an easier way.
 
 Finally, if I call someone, or they call me, and my eyesight camera is not 
 on, and I want to turn it on, how do I do that?  I know once it's on, there's 
 an accessibility problem with turning it back off without hanging up, but 
 that's fine, I don't mind that problewm.  I just need to know how to at 
 least, turn it on.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help with these two questions.
 
 Absolutely loving! this macbook!
 
 Apple rocks!
 
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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Colin M
Hi there!
Well Courtney when you've got a call running, you should be in a window with 
that contacts name and stuff!
If you vo left arrow you should pass a splitter and come to the source field 
that way!
And Chris in the same name field when you've got a call running, if you scroll 
right you should come across the end call button!
If it is not there and you come to a splitter first you might have to move it 
to reveal the button!
Interact with the splitter and right arrow so it says something like 60% or 
more!
Then stop interacting and you should now find that button!
As for switching on the cam whilst in a call I'm not sure that can be done!
Although trying to find out!
Colin
Qapla!

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On 7 Apr 2011, at 13:57, Courtney Curran wrote:

 Hi,
 I also have a question about that same version of Skype, how do you see your 
 source list when you're in a call with someone? 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I'm having one of the most bazaar situations with Skype on my new macbook.  
 Yes, for those who remember me from way back when, yes! I finally got a 
 macbook!  Snow leo and all!
 
 Anyway, this isn't the old skype 2.x we're dealing with.  I have the newest 
 5.0, I think it is.  It's definitely 5.something.  
 
 Anyway, when in a Skype call, how in the cotton picken hell! parden the 
 language, do you get to the end call button?
 
 The only way I'm seeing to hang up is to hit command w, then when it says 
 there is an active call, I can do vo+end, and hit the close button, which of 
 course will do the trick, but I figure there has got! to be an easier way.
 
 Finally, if I call someone, or they call me, and my eyesight camera is not 
 on, and I want to turn it on, how do I do that?  I know once it's on, 
 there's an accessibility problem with turning it back off without hanging 
 up, but that's fine, I don't mind that problewm.  I just need to know how to 
 at least, turn it on.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help with these two questions.
 
 Absolutely loving! this macbook!
 
 Apple rocks!
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Søren Jensen
Hi.
For enableing the cam while in a call, you can just press the video button. It 
won't always pop up here. Don't know why.
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
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s...@coolfortheblind.dk
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Den 07/04/2011 kl. 15.27 skrev Colin M:

 Hi there!
 Well Courtney when you've got a call running, you should be in a window with 
 that contacts name and stuff!
 If you vo left arrow you should pass a splitter and come to the source field 
 that way!
 And Chris in the same name field when you've got a call running, if you 
 scroll right you should come across the end call button!
 If it is not there and you come to a splitter first you might have to move it 
 to reveal the button!
 Interact with the splitter and right arrow so it says something like 60% or 
 more!
 Then stop interacting and you should now find that button!
 As for switching on the cam whilst in a call I'm not sure that can be done!
 Although trying to find out!
 Colin
 Qapla!
 
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 On 7 Apr 2011, at 13:57, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I also have a question about that same version of Skype, how do you see your 
 source list when you're in a call with someone? 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I'm having one of the most bazaar situations with Skype on my new macbook.  
 Yes, for those who remember me from way back when, yes! I finally got a 
 macbook!  Snow leo and all!
 
 Anyway, this isn't the old skype 2.x we're dealing with.  I have the newest 
 5.0, I think it is.  It's definitely 5.something.  
 
 Anyway, when in a Skype call, how in the cotton picken hell! parden the 
 language, do you get to the end call button?
 
 The only way I'm seeing to hang up is to hit command w, then when it says 
 there is an active call, I can do vo+end, and hit the close button, which 
 of course will do the trick, but I figure there has got! to be an easier 
 way.
 
 Finally, if I call someone, or they call me, and my eyesight camera is not 
 on, and I want to turn it on, how do I do that?  I know once it's on, 
 there's an accessibility problem with turning it back off without hanging 
 up, but that's fine, I don't mind that problewm.  I just need to know how 
 to at least, turn it on.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help with these two questions.
 
 Absolutely loving! this macbook!
 
 Apple rocks!
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
One other thing you can do is use windows chooser; VO F2 twice quickly, arrow 
through the list until you hear incoming call.  That will also bring this 
window to the front, and you should have enough time to take the call if you 
want.


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RE: Scanners with OCR for the iPhone

2011-04-07 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.
Thanks for your input. I've read several reviews and heard from others on this 
list, who also have found that saytext doesn't work very well.

Rafael Bejarano

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 8:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Scanners with OCR for the iPhone

hi

i used saytext on iphone 3gs.  it does not work.

best
On 6 Apr 2011, at 19:52, Bejarano, Rafael P. wrote:

 Hello all,

 I've been reading a bit about two scanner/OCR apps for the iPhone: saytext 
 and prizmo. Neither sounds sufficiently well developed to meet the needs of 
 totally blind individuals at this time, but perhaps I'm underestimating their 
 utility. Has anyone on this list tried either product, and if so, how useful 
 did you find it?

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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
ok, I'll give that a try in a bit and see if that works.

Chris.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi there!
 Well Courtney when you've got a call running, you should be in a window with 
 that contacts name and stuff!
 If you vo left arrow you should pass a splitter and come to the source field 
 that way!
 And Chris in the same name field when you've got a call running, if you 
 scroll right you should come across the end call button!
 If it is not there and you come to a splitter first you might have to move it 
 to reveal the button!
 Interact with the splitter and right arrow so it says something like 60% or 
 more!
 Then stop interacting and you should now find that button!
 As for switching on the cam whilst in a call I'm not sure that can be done!
 Although trying to find out!
 Colin
 Qapla!
 
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 On 7 Apr 2011, at 13:57, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I also have a question about that same version of Skype, how do you see your 
 source list when you're in a call with someone? 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I'm having one of the most bazaar situations with Skype on my new macbook.  
 Yes, for those who remember me from way back when, yes! I finally got a 
 macbook!  Snow leo and all!
 
 Anyway, this isn't the old skype 2.x we're dealing with.  I have the newest 
 5.0, I think it is.  It's definitely 5.something.  
 
 Anyway, when in a Skype call, how in the cotton picken hell! parden the 
 language, do you get to the end call button?
 
 The only way I'm seeing to hang up is to hit command w, then when it says 
 there is an active call, I can do vo+end, and hit the close button, which 
 of course will do the trick, but I figure there has got! to be an easier 
 way.
 
 Finally, if I call someone, or they call me, and my eyesight camera is not 
 on, and I want to turn it on, how do I do that?  I know once it's on, 
 there's an accessibility problem with turning it back off without hanging 
 up, but that's fine, I don't mind that problewm.  I just need to know how 
 to at least, turn it on.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help with these two questions.
 
 Absolutely loving! this macbook!
 
 Apple rocks!
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Joel Zimba

Hi,

can you clarify just what you mean about text documents and tables?
As I see it, there are no tables in text documents.  there are elements 
of text with elements of white space between.


Are you talking about some sort of smart column recognition as in OCR 
programs?  No Screenreader does that, and I'm not entirely sure it should.


If, however,  you mean properly rendering table markup as in xml/html 
... and other file formats, then it is definitely a step backward for 
this feature to not be implemented in 10.7 since it works better in VO 
than in most other screenreaders I've used.


Doubtless my confusion.

Joel




On 4/7/2011 7:35 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

Hi William,

thanks for your responds.

I don't think that it's very likely that VO will recognize tables in iWorks 11. 
Also: VoiceOver should work with tables in all accessible editors. I want to 
use all accessible programed editors with VO, also the free ones like Bean.

Thank you for your report to Apple.

All the best
Jürgen

Am 07.04.2011 um 08:47 schrieb William Windels:


Hello Jürgen,
Thanx for this announcement.
I'll report this for shore because this seems simply unacceptable in 2011.
I hope a lot of others will do so.
But also a litle remark:
It isn't perhaps macosx that needs this feature but the particular programs 
like textedit and pages.
I mean, perhaps they will add this functionality in iworks 11, (the next major 
version).

So, for all, pls , report  what you think about it to accessibility.

Best regards,
William
Op 6-apr-2011, om 22:40 heeft Jürgen Fleger het volgende geschreven:


Hi All,

a friend told me VO still doesn't work with tables in text documents in Lion 
beta 2 what came out these days. As you all surely know tables in text 
documents are a huge issue working with VoiceOver.

I think this is awful and unworthy to VoiceOver. VO is really a great screen 
reader but it seems not to be tolerable in 2011 that a screen reader doesn't 
work with tables.

So I'll ask all of you to write an e-mail to
accessibil...@apple.com
to show that a lot of people are waiting for the ability of VO to recognize 
tables in text documents.

In lots of discussions people told me What? VoiceOver doesn't recognize tables in 
text documents? So VO might not be a serious screen reader.

But that's not true, as we all know. And so my hope is when enough people write 
an e-mail to Apple and ask for that functionallity, Apple might see that it is 
really important to us.

Thanks and
all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

I installed the new version of Skype two or three days ago and must say that's 
so much better than the old version of Skype.  I did leave someone a message 
the other day and thought I might be able to press the tab key to end the call, 
but I did VO right arrow as the tab didn't work and found a Skype menu button.  
I pressed that button as the splitter and the percentage didn't make sense.  
When pressing the menu button, I VO down arrow and found the end call button.  
There was a hold call button there too.  

I'm glad these questions came up as I was going to ask the same question about 
ending calls if I'd not found that menu button.

Thanks for the replies as all have been helpful.

Kawal. 
On 7 Apr 2011, at 15:36, Søren Jensen wrote:

 Hi.
 For enableing the cam while in a call, you can just press the video button. 
 It won't always pop up here. Don't know why.
 Best regards:
 Søren Jensen
 Mail  MSN:
 s...@coolfortheblind.dk
 Website:
 http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
 
 Den 07/04/2011 kl. 15.27 skrev Colin M:
 
 Hi there!
 Well Courtney when you've got a call running, you should be in a window with 
 that contacts name and stuff!
 If you vo left arrow you should pass a splitter and come to the source field 
 that way!
 And Chris in the same name field when you've got a call running, if you 
 scroll right you should come across the end call button!
 If it is not there and you come to a splitter first you might have to move 
 it to reveal the button!
 Interact with the splitter and right arrow so it says something like 60% or 
 more!
 Then stop interacting and you should now find that button!
 As for switching on the cam whilst in a call I'm not sure that can be done!
 Although trying to find out!
 Colin
 Qapla!
 
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 On 7 Apr 2011, at 13:57, Courtney Curran wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I also have a question about that same version of Skype, how do you see 
 your source list when you're in a call with someone? 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Chris Gilland wrote:
 
 Hey guys,
 
 I'm having one of the most bazaar situations with Skype on my new macbook. 
  Yes, for those who remember me from way back when, yes! I finally got a 
 macbook!  Snow leo and all!
 
 Anyway, this isn't the old skype 2.x we're dealing with.  I have the 
 newest 5.0, I think it is.  It's definitely 5.something.  
 
 Anyway, when in a Skype call, how in the cotton picken hell! parden the 
 language, do you get to the end call button?
 
 The only way I'm seeing to hang up is to hit command w, then when it says 
 there is an active call, I can do vo+end, and hit the close button, which 
 of course will do the trick, but I figure there has got! to be an easier 
 way.
 
 Finally, if I call someone, or they call me, and my eyesight camera is not 
 on, and I want to turn it on, how do I do that?  I know once it's on, 
 there's an accessibility problem with turning it back off without hanging 
 up, but that's fine, I don't mind that problewm.  I just need to know how 
 to at least, turn it on.
 
 Thanks in advance for any help with these two questions.
 
 Absolutely loving! this macbook!
 
 Apple rocks!
 
 Chris.
 
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Ashley Cox

get one of the wd elements drives.
avoid hitatchi or whaterver it's called.
i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably 
argue that one.

samsung seams relyable also.

On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:

Hi Big Boy,

My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
of memory, and not cost a lot?

Thanks,

Sarah

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Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
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Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
pc

Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
both a firewire and usb port...

Ashley Cox wrote:

Any usb drive should do.

ash

On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:

Hi List,

I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one
should I purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and
my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the

Macbook, I'll bring that as well.

I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
grately appreciate it.

Thanks,

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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Ashley Cox
I just sent one. I too can confirm that they're not accessible in lion. 
It would really be great to see this fixed.

ash

On 06/04/2011 21:40, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

Hi All,

a friend told me VO still doesn't work with tables in text documents in Lion 
beta 2 what came out these days. As you all surely know tables in text 
documents are a huge issue working with VoiceOver.

I think this is awful and unworthy to VoiceOver. VO is really a great screen 
reader but it seems not to be tolerable in 2011 that a screen reader doesn't 
work with tables.

So I'll ask all of you to write an e-mail to
accessibil...@apple.com
to show that a lot of people are waiting for the ability of VO to recognize 
tables in text documents.

In lots of discussions people told me What? VoiceOver doesn't recognize tables in 
text documents? So VO might not be a serious screen reader.

But that's not true, as we all know. And so my hope is when enough people write 
an e-mail to Apple and ask for that functionallity, Apple might see that it is 
really important to us.

Thanks and
all the best
Jürgen



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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
The hot key to end a call is Command shift H for Hang up.  Unfortunately, there 
is no hot key to accept a call, which I think there should be.  Hope that makes 
it a bit easier to hang up on people. 

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Re: General questions on mac mini

2011-04-07 Thread Ashley Cox
Ill really hate it if lion is distributed in the app store. that will 
be going that little bit too far. Personally, I prefer physical discs, 
and distributing through the app store would  mean no apple stickers 
came with it;(


ashOn 07/04/2011 00:32, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

Yes the Snow Leopard upgrade was  under $50, but don't expect that Lion will be 
that inexpensive.  I have purchased every version of OS X and every other 
version of X was around $140.  Snow Leopard was for the visual user mostly just 
a speed bump.  They removed all support for PPC and optimized multi-proceoor 
support but did not make significant changes to the standard suite.

On the other hand there is some speculation that Lion will be distributed via 
the App Store and that would reduce distribution costs.


Jonathan C. Cohn
jonc...@cox.net



On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Ashley Cox wrote:


the upgrade will probably be very cheap. the upgrade to snow leopard was £25 
here.
just keep checking apples site; you'll see when they appear.
ash

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Speaking of lion, and the new sandy bridge macs that are supposed to be
released soon.  Is there a twitter feed, or mailing list available so you
know when these products are about to hit the shelf?  Also, if you buy a new
mac in let's say June, that has snow leopard on it, does apple allow you to
upgrade for free or a discount?  Probably not.

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Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 4:33 AM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: General questions on mac mini

I'll wait for lion because I'm anyway still saving up and it's not urgent.
The reason for thinking a mini will be fine is because I'm currently running
a pc with a 2.5 GHz dual core cpu and 2 GB ram and I'm recording fine. The
mini can go up to 2.8 or 9 GHz dual core with
8 GB RAM, but please tell me what you guys think will I be fine with a mini?
Another thing, is there something like 32 and 64 bit on a mac?
would I be able to use 64 bit software designed for pc and mac and get the
most from it on a mini?

Frank Carmickle wrote:

Hi

On Apr 4, 2011, at 3:42 PM, bigboy529 wrote:


I'll be using it for professional audio recordings with pro
recording software like logic, pro tools, cubase or neuendo. I'll be
using a external firewire sound card. I thought the 2.9 GHz dual
core with 8 GB ram would do fine but thanks for the tip I'll rather
save up and get a mac book pro, a imac or if I win the lotto a power mac

lol...

I think this set up will be fine to get you started.  A drive just for

audio will allow you to avoid headaches.  Make sure that it is a firewire
800 drive with firewire pass through.  You always want to plug your
harddrive in first and then your audio interface.  Also you want the drive
to be 7200 rpm.

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Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Ashley Cox

it will run on that machine.

jestures won't though.

ash

On 07/04/2011 08:44, Dickson Tan wrote:

Hi

Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare isn't a
viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over. I'll give
virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results.

I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something like
IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't found out
either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer Aspire 4750G. I'm
not sure how well snow leopard would react to the fact that I'm using a core
I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated intel HD
Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures to work even if I
successfully get mac installed.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using boot132, wait
for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk, insert snowy,
complete the install potentially without voice over and then get audio plus
some other things working post install. Its not something you'll be able to
do on your own.

It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to set up
a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tandickson.j...@gmail.com  wrote:

Hello All



I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail
version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard under
a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the
investment of getting a macbook.



There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard into
a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put the snow
leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch voice-over
during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound. Either
voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since I have a
snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound during boottime in

the vm.



Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



Regards

Dickson

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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher Peppel
Glad to know that the software is being rebuilt.  To answer another question, 
Eye-Pal is a scanner for reading printed material.  The speech is excellent and 
you get the results within seconds.  Well worth the price.

Chris
On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:15 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

 I have one here, and I have to say the current hardware rocks my world.  The 
 accuracy is outstanding.  The software interface for the mac needs to be 
 completely rebuilt but I've been told they are working on it.  Basicly the 
 mac software is just the windows software, only hacked to run in a virtual 
 environment.  It's not pretty but it does get the job done.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2011-04-07, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and possible 
 Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by itself 
 for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software for the 
 PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the money, I 
 will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
 Chris
 
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Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
Standard retail snowy won't though because it won't support sandybridge.

On 07/04/2011, Ashley Cox ashleycox...@googlemail.com wrote:
 it will run on that machine.

 jestures won't though.

 ash

 On 07/04/2011 08:44, Dickson Tan wrote:
 Hi

 Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare isn't a
 viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over. I'll give
 virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results.

 I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something like
 IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't found out
 either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer Aspire 4750G. I'm
 not sure how well snow leopard would react to the fact that I'm using a
 core
 I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated intel HD
 Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures to work even if
 I
 successfully get mac installed.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

 This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
 To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using boot132,
 wait
 for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk, insert snowy,
 complete the install potentially without voice over and then get audio
 plus
 some other things working post install. Its not something you'll be able
 to
 do on your own.

 It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to set
 up
 a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

 On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tandickson.j...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All



 I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail
 version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard under
 a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the
 investment of getting a macbook.



 There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard into
 a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put the snow
 leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch voice-over
 during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound. Either
 voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since I have a
 snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound during boottime
 in
 the vm.


 Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



 Regards

 Dickson

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RE: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Dickson Tan
Good point. Perhaps I would need to use the OSX86 mod cd, which includes
legacy colonel. I'm holding off on doing that for now, since I haven't
really seen instructions of installing snow leopard alongside an existing
windows installation using the OSX86 mod cd and the snow leopard retail dvd.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

Standard retail snowy won't though because it won't support sandybridge.

On 07/04/2011, Ashley Cox ashleycox...@googlemail.com wrote:
 it will run on that machine.

 jestures won't though.

 ash

 On 07/04/2011 08:44, Dickson Tan wrote:
 Hi

 Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare 
 isn't a viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over. 
 I'll give virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results.

 I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something 
 like IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't 
 found out either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer 
 Aspire 4750G. I'm not sure how well snow leopard would react to the 
 fact that I'm using a core
 I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated 
 intel HD Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures 
 to work even if I successfully get mac installed.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben 
 Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

 This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
 To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using 
 boot132, wait for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk, 
 insert snowy, complete the install potentially without voice over and 
 then get audio plus some other things working post install. Its not 
 something you'll be able to do on your own.

 It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to 
 set up a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

 On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tandickson.j...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All



 I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail 
 version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard 
 under a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the 
 investment of getting a macbook.



 There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard 
 into a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put 
 the snow leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch 
 voice-over during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound. 
 Either voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since 
 I have a snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound 
 during boottime in
 the vm.


 Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



 Regards

 Dickson

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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi Joel,

sorry for confusing you. That might be because of my lack of english.

Imagine a normal bill for example. There you have normal text of course. But 
usually there is also a table with columns and rows in what you find for 
example Name of Article, Prize, Tax and so forth.

Isn't that just called a table in english? I'm not sure. The direct translation 
is table.

I hope I could clarify what I ment and you are going to write an e-mail to
accessibil...@apple.com
to tell them that this is not acceptable for us users.

Thanks 
Jürgen

Am 07.04.2011 um 17:32 schrieb Joel Zimba:

 Hi,
 
 can you clarify just what you mean about text documents and tables?As I 
 see it, there are no tables in text documents.  there are elements of text 
 with elements of white space between.
 
 Are you talking about some sort of smart column recognition as in OCR 
 programs?  No Screenreader does that, and I'm not entirely sure it should.
 
 If, however,  you mean properly rendering table markup as in xml/html ... and 
 other file formats, then it is definitely a step backward for this feature to 
 not be implemented in 10.7 since it works better in VO than in most other 
 screenreaders I've used.
 
 Doubtless my confusion.
 
 Joel
 
 
 
 
 On 4/7/2011 7:35 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 Hi William,
 
 thanks for your responds.
 
 I don't think that it's very likely that VO will recognize tables in iWorks 
 11. Also: VoiceOver should work with tables in all accessible editors. I 
 want to use all accessible programed editors with VO, also the free ones 
 like Bean.
 
 Thank you for your report to Apple.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 
 Am 07.04.2011 um 08:47 schrieb William Windels:
 
 Hello Jürgen,
 Thanx for this announcement.
 I'll report this for shore because this seems simply unacceptable in 2011.
 I hope a lot of others will do so.
 But also a litle remark:
 It isn't perhaps macosx that needs this feature but the particular programs 
 like textedit and pages.
 I mean, perhaps they will add this functionality in iworks 11, (the next 
 major version).
 
 So, for all, pls , report  what you think about it to accessibility.
 
 Best regards,
 William
 Op 6-apr-2011, om 22:40 heeft Jürgen Fleger het volgende geschreven:
 
 Hi All,
 
 a friend told me VO still doesn't work with tables in text documents in 
 Lion beta 2 what came out these days. As you all surely know tables in 
 text documents are a huge issue working with VoiceOver.
 
 I think this is awful and unworthy to VoiceOver. VO is really a great 
 screen reader but it seems not to be tolerable in 2011 that a screen 
 reader doesn't work with tables.
 
 So I'll ask all of you to write an e-mail to
 accessibil...@apple.com
 to show that a lot of people are waiting for the ability of VO to 
 recognize tables in text documents.
 
 In lots of discussions people told me What? VoiceOver doesn't recognize 
 tables in text documents? So VO might not be a serious screen reader.
 
 But that's not true, as we all know. And so my hope is when enough people 
 write an e-mail to Apple and ask for that functionallity, Apple might see 
 that it is really important to us.
 
 Thanks and
 all the best
 Jürgen
 
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RE: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Dickson Tan
After doing some research, the latest snow leopard update does have support
for sandybridge processors and the intel HD graphics 3000 chips. 

There are several methods of installing snow leopard alongside windows 7,
but I'm not sure if despite the fact that I am using the retail dvd, whether
I will be able to get sound during the snow leopard install. 

The OSX86 ModCD 0.3.1 looks to be my only option of install snow leopard as
I don't want to have to reformat my hard drive to convert my partition table
to use the GPT scheme. 


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ashley Cox
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:11 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

it will run on that machine.

jestures won't though.

ash

On 07/04/2011 08:44, Dickson Tan wrote:
 Hi

 Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare 
 isn't a viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over. I'll 
 give virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results.

 I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something 
 like IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't 
 found out either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer 
 Aspire 4750G. I'm not sure how well snow leopard would react to the 
 fact that I'm using a core
 I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated intel 
 HD Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures to work 
 even if I successfully get mac installed.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

 This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
 To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using 
 boot132, wait for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk, 
 insert snowy, complete the install potentially without voice over and 
 then get audio plus some other things working post install. Its not 
 something you'll be able to do on your own.

 It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to 
 set up a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

 On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tandickson.j...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All



 I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail 
 version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard under 
 a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the 
 investment of getting a macbook.



 There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard into 
 a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put the snow 
 leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch voice-over 
 during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound. Either 
 voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since I have a 
 snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound during 
 boottime in
 the vm.


 Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



 Regards

 Dickson

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a step closer to true haptics not those rotor h

2011-04-07 Thread Yuma Decaux
http://www.cultofmac.com/could-the-ipad-3-use-the-third-dimension-of-pressure/89485?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+cultofmac%2FbFow+%28Cult+of+Mac%29


It's almost there.

yperboles from android 


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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Mark,

That worked perfectly.  Thanks for the help.  I assume that in order for that 
keystroke to work though, you obviously have to be in, key word, the skype 
window, right?  I mean cause that same command is your home folder if you're in 
your finder, for example.

Chris.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:08 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 The hot key to end a call is Command shift H for Hang up.  Unfortunately, 
 there is no hot key to accept a call, which I think there should be.  Hope 
 that makes it a bit easier to hang up on people. 
 
 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
 • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Hi Christopher.

Thanks for explaining to me what IPal was.  I assume that is a hardware device, 
not a software only device?  Speaking of which, are there any good OCR 
recognition scanner software programs for the Mac?

Chris.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:

 Glad to know that the software is being rebuilt.  To answer another question, 
 Eye-Pal is a scanner for reading printed material.  The speech is excellent 
 and you get the results within seconds.  Well worth the price.
 
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:15 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
 
 I have one here, and I have to say the current hardware rocks my world.  The 
 accuracy is outstanding.  The software interface for the mac needs to be 
 completely rebuilt but I've been told they are working on it.  Basicly the 
 mac software is just the windows software, only hacked to run in a virtual 
 environment.  It's not pretty but it does get the job done.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
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 On 2011-04-07, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and 
 possible Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by 
 itself for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions software 
 for the PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I have the 
 money, I will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey how does one go by testing the beta for Lion? And if we want to use Snow 
Leopard again will it still be installed on here?

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Re: Help with Safari locking up constantly please

2011-04-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi. I beg to differ on Mobile Facebook with the whole Safari busy crap. I 
still get that problem on there. I was trying to add a friend and as I was 
trying to go through my friend's friend list, it kept locking up with that 
whole busy message. So no matter which facebook site you go to, you'll still 
run into that obstacle. I guess Facebook doesn't really care about the blind 
community.

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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey I was trying to see how someone configures Ichat for MSN but couldn't 
figure it out. So how do you do that? You can mail me off list with the steps 
so as this list doesn't get cluttered. Thanks.

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Re: Help with Safari locking up constantly please

2011-04-07 Thread Maxwell Ivey Jr.
I don't get the busy message, but then I'm still running lepard.  but  
i hate that when you click a link it doesn't load a new page just  
expands the one you are on.  this is especially frustrating when  
trying to read through posts from friends or lists of potential  
friends or pages.  hope they fix it again soon, max

On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

Hi. I beg to differ on Mobile Facebook with the whole Safari busy  
crap. I still get that problem on there. I was trying to add a  
friend and as I was trying to go through my friend's friend list, it  
kept locking up with that whole busy message. So no matter which  
facebook site you go to, you'll still run into that obstacle. I  
guess Facebook doesn't really care about the blind community.


Shawn

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Re: Help with Safari locking up constantly please

2011-04-07 Thread Zachary Kline
Personally I don't have a problem with dynamic content, provided that Safari 
and VO recognize it properly.  In my experience, it generally does.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

 I don't get the busy message, but then I'm still running lepard.  but i hate 
 that when you click a link it doesn't load a new page just expands the one 
 you are on.  this is especially frustrating when trying to read through posts 
 from friends or lists of potential friends or pages.  hope they fix it again 
 soon, max
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 Hi. I beg to differ on Mobile Facebook with the whole Safari busy crap. I 
 still get that problem on there. I was trying to add a friend and as I was 
 trying to go through my friend's friend list, it kept locking up with that 
 whole busy message. So no matter which facebook site you go to, you'll still 
 run into that obstacle. I guess Facebook doesn't really care about the blind 
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Re: Help with Safari locking up constantly please

2011-04-07 Thread Pete Nalda
Hah! They don't. Care about the low vision community either. Every time you 
click home you get sent to th touch or mobile site. Neither of which allow for 
browser zooming. Whie this isn't an issue on my mbp, it sure is on my android 
phone
Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, mates!
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still get that problem on there. I was trying to add a friend and as I was 
trying to go through my friend's friend list, it kept locking up with that 
whole busy message. So no matter which facebook site you go to, you'll still 
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Re: VO and tables in Lion

2011-04-07 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Sorry I can't help you in this case. It's not me it's a friend who uses Lion 
beta 2. 

Jürgen
Am 07.04.2011 um 21:19 schrieb Shawn Krasniuk:

 Hey how does one go by testing the beta for Lion? And if we want to use Snow 
 Leopard again will it still be installed on here?
 
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Re: a step closer to true haptics not those rotor h

2011-04-07 Thread Bejarano, Rafael P.
Pretty cool! Thanks for passing this on.

Rafael Bejarano
On Apr 7, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

 http://www.cultofmac.com/could-the-ipad-3-use-the-third-dimension-of-pressure/89485?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+cultofmac%2FbFow+%28Cult+of+Mac%29
 
 
 It's almost there.
 
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Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

2011-04-07 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
As you said, the latest update to snow leopard does support
sandybridge, but since that won't be the same version that your DVD
has, you still have to find a way of installing it. At the end of the
day, if snow leopard doesn't have the correct audio drivers by
default, you won't get speech in install.

I know theres some curnel hack for people that want to run it on AMD
CPU's, but the DVD's that incorporate it ahhem aren't exactly retail.
I sware I've scene people add leopard at least to existing os installs
so snow leopard should be possible. If I remember correctly, gparted
can do stuff to the partitioning so perhaps that might be worth a
look?

On 07/04/2011, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote:
 Good point. Perhaps I would need to use the OSX86 mod cd, which includes
 legacy colonel. I'm holding off on doing that for now, since I haven't
 really seen instructions of installing snow leopard alongside an existing
 windows installation using the OSX86 mod cd and the snow leopard retail dvd.

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:47 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

 Standard retail snowy won't though because it won't support sandybridge.

 On 07/04/2011, Ashley Cox ashleycox...@googlemail.com wrote:
 it will run on that machine.

 jestures won't though.

 ash

 On 07/04/2011 08:44, Dickson Tan wrote:
 Hi

 Hmm seems that an accessible install of snow leopard under VMWare
 isn't a viable way for me to try out snow leopard and voice over.
 I'll give virtualbox a try and hope that I get better results.

 I would only try a duel-boot install of snow leopard using something
 like IHazard (which includes voice over) as a last resort; I haven't
 found out either way whether Snow Leopard would install on an Acer
 Aspire 4750G. I'm not sure how well snow leopard would react to the
 fact that I'm using a core
 I7 quad-core sandybridge processor, which includes an integrated
 intel HD Graphics 3000 chip. I wouldn't expect things like gestures
 to work even if I successfully get mac installed.

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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ben
 Mustill-Rose
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 12:40 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible install of snow leopard in VMWare Player

 This is against apples eula, even *if* you have purchased snow leopard.
 To get the dvd to boot, you'll first have to boot the vm using
 boot132, wait for some text to appear on the screen, eject the disk,
 insert snowy, complete the install potentially without voice over and
 then get audio plus some other things working post install. Its not
 something you'll be able to do on your own.

 It would probably be easier (But still not accessible) if you were to
 set up a duelboot depending on what computer you have at the moment.

 On 06/04/2011, Dickson Tandickson.j...@gmail.com  wrote:
 Hello All



 I've been thinking of trying out a mac lately, so I got the retail
 version of the snow leopard dvd so that I can test snow leopard
 under a vm in windows. I wanted to see if snow leopard was worth the
 investment of getting a macbook.



 There are instructions on the net on how to install snow leopard
 into a vm in VMWare Player and getting it to boot, but when I put
 the snow leopard dvd into my laptop's dvd drive and try to launch
 voice-over during the snow leopard install, I don't hear any sound.
 Either voice-over doesn't start (which shouldn't be happening since
 I have a snow leopard retail dvd) or there is problem with sound
 during boottime in
 the vm.


 Has anyone ever encountered such a problem before?



 Regards

 Dickson

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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I'd like to also know how to do this, if it could be done.

Chris.

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Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: What software comes with Mac OS?


Hey I was trying to see how someone configures Ichat for MSN but couldn't 
figure it out. So how do you do that? You can mail me off list with the 
steps so as this list doesn't get cluttered. Thanks.


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Re: Help with Safari locking up constantly please

2011-04-07 Thread Christina
I hate that too.  The only way I've found to work this is before I click on the 
link such as the see more stories  I switch to dom, then click the link.  
Then I VO arrow to the right a few times or so so that I know I am in the newly 
expanded info.  Then I switch back over to groups.  If I don't follow this 
exactly I'm back at the top of the screen or something weird.  I prefer groups 
but if someone is using DOM then I don't think they're having any difficulties 
with the expanding pages.  I still feel this expanding is very unstable  though 
and causes all kinds of problems for me.

Christina
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:
  i hate that when you click a link it doesn't load a new page just expands 
 the one you are on.

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Re: Two really annoying problems with Skype version 5.0

2011-04-07 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
command shift H only works from within the main Skype window.  You can press 
Command 1 to make sure you're in that window.  If it still doesn't work again, 
I have found that sometimes you have to hit command 1 a few times to get back 
there, but it works.


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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher Peppel
Hi Chris,

I guess some people use Vuscan and Abby Fine Reader.  I tried Abby fine reader 
and couldn't do anything with it.  Apparently, it will work only with certain 
scanners.  SAMobile is supposed to come out with a Mac version of Docuscan.  
Supposedly, you can use any scanner with it.  

Chris
On Apr 7, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

 Hi Christopher.
 
 Thanks for explaining to me what IPal was.  I assume that is a hardware 
 device, not a software only device?  Speaking of which, are there any good 
 OCR recognition scanner software programs for the Mac?
 
 Chris.
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Glad to know that the software is being rebuilt.  To answer another 
 question, Eye-Pal is a scanner for reading printed material.  The speech is 
 excellent and you get the results within seconds.  Well worth the price.
 
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:15 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
 
 I have one here, and I have to say the current hardware rocks my world.  
 The accuracy is outstanding.  The software interface for the mac needs to 
 be completely rebuilt but I've been told they are working on it.  Basicly 
 the mac software is just the windows software, only hacked to run in a 
 virtual environment.  It's not pretty but it does get the job done.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2011-04-07, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and 
 possible Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by 
 itself for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions 
 software for the PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I 
 have the money, I will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
 Chris
 
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Skype Camera idea!

2011-04-07 Thread Colin M
Hi All!
I've suggested to Skype to make the command [command+shift+c ] to turn on/off 
the Camera whilst in a call!
What do you think!
Maybe you could suggest this to Skype as well [only if you want to of course]
All the best everybody
Colin
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Re: Skype Camera idea!

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Collin,

That is an excellent idea!

How do I go about making that suggestion.

Chris.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi All!
 I've suggested to Skype to make the command [command+shift+c ] to turn on/off 
 the Camera whilst in a call!
 What do you think!
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Re: Skype Camera idea!

2011-04-07 Thread Colin M
Hi Chris!
What I did was to open Skype feedback under the Skype heading in the main menu 
[ vo+m ] and it took me to a window that you would fill in as appropriate!
Colin

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On 7 Apr 2011, at 22:29, Chris Gilland wrote:

 Collin,
 
 That is an excellent idea!
 
 How do I go about making that suggestion.
 
 Chris.
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Colin M wrote:
 
 Hi All!
 I've suggested to Skype to make the command [command+shift+c ] to turn 
 on/off the Camera whilst in a call!
 What do you think!
 Maybe you could suggest this to Skype as well [only if you want to of course]
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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
if you want help with this, I can give you an e-mail address that you can write 
to and he should help you as you need some software to run if you have a server 
which I don't have.  The person is my Brother-in-law.  His E-mail is 
m...@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com
On 7 Apr 2011, at 20:27, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

 Hey I was trying to see how someone configures Ichat for MSN but couldn't 
 figure it out. So how do you do that? You can mail me off list with the steps 
 so as this list doesn't get cluttered. Thanks.
 
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Demo of the Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher Peppel
Hi there,

If you go to AccessibleWorld.org and go to the TechTalk Archives Page 9, you 
will find a demonstration of the Eye-Pal.  Click on the download link and it 
will go to your downloads folder and then copy to I-Tunes where it will start 
playing automatically.  Enjoy.

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focus 40 display strange problem with connection over usb

2011-04-07 Thread Jørgen Skov Nielsen
Hi All
I have a strange problem.
When i use my focus 40 display on bluetooth it works fine.
When i try to connect it with usb, it don't work.
I have tested my usb connection in windows with jaws, and there it works great.
My display is revision 4.53.
My sister have a focus 40 display with a older revision number, and it works 
great on usb.
Have anyone tried this before?
I have sent a message with the problem to Apple accessibility.

Best regards
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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread Charlie Bates
I don't think ichat can be configured to work with MSN. I have looked into it a 
few times

On 08/04/2011, at 6:19 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

 I'd like to also know how to do this, if it could be done.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk 
 bigbigshawn@gmail.com
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 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 3:27 PM
 Subject: Re: What software comes with Mac OS?
 
 
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Scott Howell
That is funny Ashley, APple uses as far as I can tell Hitachi drives in all of 
their notebooks. So far I have not had any problems with either Mac notebook I 
own and my employer provided. I am not sure if they are using them in the 
iMacs, but pretty sure my wife's iMac has a WD.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, ashley cox wrote:

 get one of the wd elements drives.
 avoid hitatchi or whaterver it's called.
 i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably argue 
 that one.
 samsung seams relyable also.
 
 On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi Big Boy,
 
 My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
 off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
 external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
 of memory, and not cost a lot?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigboy529
 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
 pc
 
 Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
 transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
 have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
 both a firewire and usb port...
 
 Ashley Cox wrote:
 Any usb drive should do.
 
 ash
 
 On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
 all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
 been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
 sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
 everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
 expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
 mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
 told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one
 should I purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and
 my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
 I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
 shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the
 Macbook, I'll bring that as well.
 I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
 either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
 grately appreciate it.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Skype Camera idea!

2011-04-07 Thread Chris Gilland
Thank you.  I just sent the feedback as well.  I also left them my e-mail 
address, so we shall see what happens, if anything.

Chris.

On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:45 PM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi Chris!
 What I did was to open Skype feedback under the Skype heading in the main 
 menu [ vo+m ] and it took me to a window that you would fill in as 
 appropriate!
 Colin
 
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 On 7 Apr 2011, at 22:29, Chris Gilland wrote:
 
 Collin,
 
 That is an excellent idea!
 
 How do I go about making that suggestion.
 
 Chris.
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Colin M wrote:
 
 Hi All!
 I've suggested to Skype to make the command [command+shift+c ] to turn 
 on/off the Camera whilst in a call!
 What do you think!
 Maybe you could suggest this to Skype as well [only if you want to of 
 course]
 All the best everybody
 Colin
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Re: Eye-Pal

2011-04-07 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Chris:
I just spent a good portion of my morning trying to get Vuescan to work for me. 
 It is capable of scanning, and is supposed to be easy to use.  However, this 
is my third time spending hours with it, and getting very poor results.  I 
scanned a page, but could not set where it saved to, nor could I preview what 
I'd scanned.Also, it took at least 25 seconds to scan and recognize a page. 
 I'd love my $$ back, but others have had better luck with this app.
There's also Abbyy Fine Reader.  Abut $100 us, which I'm told works well.  But, 
it's very choosy which scanners it will accept.
So, I'd have to say the offerings for scanning software for the mac could use 
some sprucing up, for sure.  I actually committed the sacrelig of booting my 
Dell to use openbook. (which crashes about every 40 pages or so.

What a great day!

Anyone want to develop some scanning software and make me happy?:)

Carolyn
On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:59 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:

 Hi Christopher.
 
 Thanks for explaining to me what IPal was.  I assume that is a hardware 
 device, not a software only device?  Speaking of which, are there any good 
 OCR recognition scanner software programs for the Mac?
 
 Chris.
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Glad to know that the software is being rebuilt.  To answer another 
 question, Eye-Pal is a scanner for reading printed material.  The speech is 
 excellent and you get the results within seconds.  Well worth the price.
 
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:15 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
 
 I have one here, and I have to say the current hardware rocks my world.  
 The accuracy is outstanding.  The software interface for the mac needs to 
 be completely rebuilt but I've been told they are working on it.  Basicly 
 the mac software is just the windows software, only hacked to run in a 
 virtual environment.  It's not pretty but it does get the job done.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 User support consultant,
 Now posting occasionally on twitter at eburggraaf,
 1-888-255-5194
 http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2011-04-07, at 3:53 AM, Christopher Peppel wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone:
 
 A little while ago, there was some discussion about the Eye-Pal and 
 possible Mac software.  I looked on the website and it is available by 
 itself for$150.00.  From what I can tell, the manual only mentions 
 software for the PC.  The website is:  HTTP//WWW.absiee.com.  As soon as I 
 have the money, I will definitely get an Eye-Pal.  Hope this helps.
 
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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Kawal:
I was of the impression that iChat doesn't work with MSN.  HMMM, I'd be glad to 
be wrong on this.:)

Carolyn

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 write to and he should help you as you need some software to run if you have 
 a server which I don't have.  The person is my Brother-in-law.  His E-mail is 
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will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May
Hi List,

 

If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*

 

Sarah

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Re: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Well now, that is very good indeed.  I do hope it goes well.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
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On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:

 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I will 
 be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have one-on-one 
 instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece’s birthday is 
 coming up.  She’ll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah is going to 
 purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of technology 
 that is around today for music at her age.  She’ll be nine years old.  I 
 guess times are changing aren’t they? *smile*
  
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Mike Arrigo
A USB hard drive will work with the PC and the mac, just format it with the 
fat32 file system, this way, both platforms will be able to read and write to 
it.
On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Sarah May wrote:

 Hi List,
  
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them all in one 
 place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have been using compact 
 flash cards and junk drives, known as memory sticks, but they don’t provide 
 enough space where I can fit everything all at once.  I don’t want to have to 
 keep purchasing expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family 
 member of mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I 
 told her “that was a great idea!”  Now if I do this, which one should I 
 purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and my Braille Sense 
 Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where I bring my Braille Sense 
 Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV shows while dialyizing.  
 Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the Macbook, I’ll bring that as 
 well.  I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these 
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune either.  If 
 anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would grately appreciate it.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Sarah
 
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RE: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May
 

Hi Ray,

 

Thanks a lot.  I think it will go well indeed.  The person whom I spke with
over the phone this evening was so friendly and helpful.  I wish Freedom
Scientific had more people like that.  Oops, I think I just said something I
shouldn't. LOL

 

Sarah

 

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Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

 

Well now, that is very good indeed.  I do hope it goes well.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://www.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 

 

On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:





Hi List,

 

If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*

 

Sarah

 

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Re: focus 40 display strange problem with connection over usb

2011-04-07 Thread Teresa Cochran
Yes, I've had the very same problem and worked with Apple Tech support on it. I 
don't know what the solution is, but I do know Apple is aware of the problem. 
I've tried it with Windows and it works fine, so it's probably a software issue

Teresa
On Apr 7, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Jørgen Skov Nielsen wrote:

 Hi All
 I have a strange problem.
 When i use my focus 40 display on bluetooth it works fine.
 When i try to connect it with usb, it don't work.
 I have tested my usb connection in windows with jaws, and there it works 
 great.
 My display is revision 4.53.
 My sister have a focus 40 display with a older revision number, and it works 
 great on usb.
 Have anyone tried this before?
 I have sent a message with the problem to Apple accessibility.
 
 Best regards
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Terminal emulators and the mac

2011-04-07 Thread Bart Bunting

-- Hi,

Can anyone recommend a terminal program to use with VO and the mac?  I
am looking for something that will work  like putty or minicom for
connecting to devices with serial ports.

Any pointers or advice would be appreciated.

Cheers

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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread ShamelessFanGirl
Have any of you used xfat as a formatting option? I'm in the same boat as it 
were, and according to my research, xfat works as fat32 does, but sans the 
file-size limitations. I don't yet have a Mac to try this on, but thought I'd 
pass the info along just the same. 


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On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:

 A USB hard drive will work with the PC and the mac, just format it with the 
 fat32 file system, this way, both platforms will be able to read and write to 
 it.
 On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them all in 
 one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have been using compact 
 flash cards and junk drives, known as memory sticks, but they don’t provide 
 enough space where I can fit everything all at once.  I don’t want to have 
 to keep purchasing expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family 
 member of mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I 
 told her “that was a great idea!”  Now if I do this, which one should I 
 purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and my Braille Sense 
 Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where I bring my Braille Sense 
 Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV shows while dialyizing.  
 Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the Macbook, I’ll bring that as 
 well.  I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these 
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune either.  If 
 anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would grately appreciate it.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: Turn pages Stanza or Kobo

2011-04-07 Thread Esther
Hi Jim,

On Apr 5, 2011, at 03:05, James Nuttall wrote:

 Is there any was to turn pages or mark your spot so Stanza or Kobo
 will start reading where you left off?
 
 Sent from Jim's iPod Touch
If you're trying to mark pages in Stanza and Kobo, I assume that you have these 
ebook reader apps successfully configured. If not, I'll describe the 
configuration for Kobo with numbered instructions in the next paragraph.  (I'll 
cc this to the macvisionaries list, since this is a long post that is more 
easily found in the secondary Mail Archive, which is not available for the 
viphone list.)  Two different answers, one for each eReader: you can turn 
pages, mark your spot with a bookmark, navigate by Chapters using the Table of 
Contents of a Book and run a Find Icon search to navigate to a page which 
matches your search in Stanza.  In Kobo, if you have set up your book to use a  
Page Transition Style of Scrolling in the Settings menu, you can navigate 
to different pages within a chapter with a three finger flick up or down to 
scroll forwards of backwards, and if you exit the current book by double 
tapping the center of the screen to bring up page controls, and then double tap 
the Library button in the top left corner of the screen to return to your 
Library, a bookmark will be placed at your current page location.  Both these 
apps read through continuously by chapters.  At the end or beginning of each 
chapter with Kobo, provided you use the Scrolling page transition style, 
there will be link images that let you navigate to the next or previous 
chapter.  Double tapping the link images at the top right and bottom right of 
the page advance you to the start of the next chapter.  Double tapping the link 
images at the top left and bottom left of the page take you to somewhere in the 
middle of the last page of the previous chapter.  You can also navigate using a 
table of contents, which is accessed with an Icon tock button (pronounced 
this way -- actually the last word is TOC, the acronym for Table of Contents) 
that shows up when you double tap the center of the page to bring up page 
controls.  (If you're on the first or last page of a chapter, make sure that 
focus is not on one of the link-images before you double tap -- touch the 
center of the screen first).  Then you can access this Icon tock button 
either by flicking left twice from the first control on the page (the Library 
button in the top left corner of the screen) or flicking left from or touching 
the button immediately to the left of the Icon Gear button in the top right 
corner of the screen. (I haven't updated to the latest OS yet, so I usually do 
a four finger flick up to get to the first element of the screen --  this is 
now a four finger tap on the top half of the screen -- and then flick right 
twice, and double tap.)  

If you haven't set up  Scrolling mode which is necessary for accessible Kobo 
ebook navigation, here's the way to do it:
1) If you're reading a book, double tap the center of the screen to bring up 
page controls 
2) Touch the Icon Gear button in the top right corner of the screen and 
double tap.  (You can flick right to it from the Library button at the top 
left corner, but you should be able to locate this by touch, just below the 
Battery Power announcement on the status bar at the top right of the screen). 
 
3) Double tap the Icon Gear button in the top right corner of the screen to 
bring up the other configuration icons in the bottom half of the screen.
4) Move your finger down along the right side of the screen from the Icon 
Gear button in the top right corner of the screen. As you approach the bottom 
of the screen you should hear increase brightness, button, and then Toggle 
Night Reading Mode, button at the bottom right corner of the screen.  
5) Double tap the Toggle Night Reading Mode, button in the bottom right 
corner of the screen.  Note: do not try to flick to this position. There are 
problems both with the screen updating correctly, and the fact that this button 
is now one of three buttons that are all labeled as Toggle Night Reading 
Mode.  This introduced labeling error arises from a sloppy code update and has 
persisted as an unfixed problem for over 6 months! The button actually gives 
you access to settings for page presentation style, page transition style, font 
type, and text alignment, and is the only way that you can access the Page 
Transition Style category to set this to Scrolling mode -- which is what you 
need to navigate books in the Kobo app accessibly.  There is no other way to 
get to these settings except by using the incorrectly labeled button.  You 
cannot set this in the main Settings menu of the iPod Touch  for the Kobo app, 
for example.
6) Flick down to the Scrolling button under the second category of Page 
Transition Style to select this by  double tapping.  
7) Double tap the Back button in the top left corner of the screen to return 
to the book page.
8) 

RE: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the information.  Now is it difficult to format the drive to the
Fat 32?

Sarah

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
pc

A USB hard drive will work with the PC and the mac, just format it with the
fat32 file system, this way, both platforms will be able to read and write
to it.
On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Sarah May wrote:

 Hi List,
  
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them all in
one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have been using compact
flash cards and junk drives, known as memory sticks, but they don't provide
enough space where I can fit everything all at once.  I don't want to have
to keep purchasing expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family
member of mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one should I
purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and my Braille Sense
Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where I bring my Braille Sense
Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV shows while dialyizing.
Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the Macbook, I'll bring that as
well.  I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune either.  If
anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would grately appreciate it.
  
 Thanks,
  
 Sarah
 
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Re: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Christopher Peppel
Hi Sara,

I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in 
Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise in 
the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work with 
me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.

Chris
On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:

 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I will 
 be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have one-on-one 
 instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece’s birthday is 
 coming up.  She’ll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah is going to 
 purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of technology 
 that is around today for music at her age.  She’ll be nine years old.  I 
 guess times are changing aren’t they? *smile*
  
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Mike Arrigo
No, you can do this in windows by connecting it and opening the context menu in 
the computer window, choose format and choose fat32 for the format type. You 
can do this on a mac using the disk utility, although it calls it erasing the 
drive instead of formatting.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, Sarah May wrote:

 
 Hi Mike,
 
 Thanks for the information.  Now is it difficult to format the drive to the
 Fat 32?
 
 Sarah
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:39 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and
 pc
 
 A USB hard drive will work with the PC and the mac, just format it with the
 fat32 file system, this way, both platforms will be able to read and write
 to it.
 On Apr 6, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them all in
 one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have been using compact
 flash cards and junk drives, known as memory sticks, but they don't provide
 enough space where I can fit everything all at once.  I don't want to have
 to keep purchasing expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family
 member of mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
 told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one should I
 purchase that will be compatable with both the Mac, PC, and my Braille Sense
 Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where I bring my Braille Sense
 Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV shows while dialyizing.
 Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the Macbook, I'll bring that as
 well.  I want an external hard drive that will be compatable with all these
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune either.  If
 anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would grately appreciate it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
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Tables in Safari Question

2011-04-07 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
All:
I could use help. I do these survays, and they are layed out in tables. You 
have a table with several columns, and you have to select your answers. For 
example: 
How often do you use the following products? Then you have a table with several 
columns. Column 1 will have a list of products in each row, I.E. tooth brush 
would be row 1, column 1. Makeup would be row 2, column 1, dogfood row 3, 
column 1. The other columns would have titles like daily, once a week, once a 
month, never. Each row in these columns would have check boxes or radio 
buttons, and you check the box corosponding to each product.
With Jaws, I'd press alt control right arrow, and alt control up and down to 
navigate by columns and rows. I could check the appropriat check boxes. 
I'm having problems on the Mac. I've tried this in DOM, and Group navigation 
mode. I can navigate the tables, read each column and row header; however I 
cannot check the checkboxes/radio buttons. The other rows appear blank; however 
if I press vo u to bring up a list of input controls, I see a bunch of check 
boxes, or radio buttons, so they are on the page. Any help would be appreciated.


Sarai Bucciarelli
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What's Apple's Email Address?

2011-04-07 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hey I need to know the email address for Apple. I found that AppleSeed program 
and I want to try the beta for Lion. I think you have to sign in though but 
when I do, it won't let me log in with my ID. So I want to find out why they're 
not letting me sign in because I really want to try Lion. Thanks.

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Re: Tables in Safari Question

2011-04-07 Thread Scott Howell
WIthout seeing it I can only assume you need to interact with the cell. Can you 
provide the URL?

Scott

On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 All:
 I could use help. I do these survays, and they are layed out in tables. You 
 have a table with several columns, and you have to select your answers. For 
 example: 
 How often do you use the following products? Then you have a table with 
 several columns. Column 1 will have a list of products in each row, I.E. 
 tooth brush would be row 1, column 1. Makeup would be row 2, column 1, 
 dogfood row 3, column 1. The other columns would have titles like daily, once 
 a week, once a month, never. Each row in these columns would have check boxes 
 or radio buttons, and you check the box corosponding to each product.
 With Jaws, I'd press alt control right arrow, and alt control up and down to 
 navigate by columns and rows. I could check the appropriat check boxes. 
 I'm having problems on the Mac. I've tried this in DOM, and Group navigation 
 mode. I can navigate the tables, read each column and row header; however I 
 cannot check the checkboxes/radio buttons. The other rows appear blank; 
 however if I press vo u to bring up a list of input controls, I see a bunch 
 of check boxes, or radio buttons, so they are on the page. Any help would be 
 appreciated.
 
 
 Sarai Bucciarelli
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 www.swagbucks.com/refer/sdbuccia
 
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VO and Text in Stanza

2011-04-07 Thread Chinyoka on Macbook
Hi,

I am using Stanza ebook reader to read my epub books on my Macbook. However, 
there seems to be a problem with the way Voiceover pronounces words. It sounds 
as if it is pronouncing either all uppercase letters or spaced characters. 
Consequently, the flow of wisdom is disturbed or lose the sense of it. What's 
surprising though is that when I open, say a PDF file in Preview or any  other 
PDF viewer, the text is pronounced well. I end up reading PDF and other formats 
in alternate viewers, but as for Epub, I have no option.

My question is that is there any setting in Stanza which can help not to alter 
text case or fonts or whatever? I want it to behave like any other viewer  by 
trying to apply any extra styles. BTW, what Epub readers are you using on the 
desktop? as for the iPhone, I use the iBook as I find it consistent and super. 
Any help or suggestion is welcome.

 

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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Colin M
Hi There!
In my Imac is a Hitachi hd!
I got it in 2009!
Colin
Qapla!
Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 7 Apr 2011, at 23:15, Scott Howell wrote:

 That is funny Ashley, APple uses as far as I can tell Hitachi drives in all 
 of their notebooks. So far I have not had any problems with either Mac 
 notebook I own and my employer provided. I am not sure if they are using them 
 in the iMacs, but pretty sure my wife's iMac has a WD.
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, ashley cox wrote:
 
 get one of the wd elements drives.
 avoid Hitachi or whaterver it's called.
 i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably argue 
 that one.
 samsung seams reliable also.
 
 On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi Big Boy,
 
 My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
 off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
 external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
 of memory, and not cost a lot?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigboy529
 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatible for both mac and
 pc
 
 Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
 transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
 have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
 both a firewire and usb port...
 
 Ashley Cox wrote:
 Any usb drive should do.
 
 ash
 
 On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
 all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
 been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
 sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
 everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
 expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
 mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
 told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one
 should I purchase that will be compatible with both the Mac, PC, and
 my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
 I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
 shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the
 Macbook, I'll bring that as well.
 I want an external hard drive that will be compatible with all these
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
 either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
 greatly appreciate it.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
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Re: What software comes with Mac OS?

2011-04-07 Thread Matt Dierckens
i would reccomend adium for any chatting you may need.
On 2011-04-07, at 3:27 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote:

 Hey I was trying to see how someone configures Ichat for MSN but couldn't 
 figure it out. So how do you do that? You can mail me off list with the steps 
 so as this list doesn't get cluttered. Thanks.
 
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Re: looking for an external hard drive compatable for both mac and pc

2011-04-07 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
I use a Seagate, and a Western Digital drive on both Mac, and Windows.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi There!
 In my Imac is a Hitachi hd!
 I got it in 2009!
 Colin
 Qapla!
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
 On 7 Apr 2011, at 23:15, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 That is funny Ashley, APple uses as far as I can tell Hitachi drives in all 
 of their notebooks. So far I have not had any problems with either Mac 
 notebook I own and my employer provided. I am not sure if they are using 
 them in the iMacs, but pretty sure my wife's iMac has a WD.
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 12:02 PM, ashley cox wrote:
 
 get one of the wd elements drives.
 avoid Hitachi or whaterver it's called.
 i've not had good luck with seagate iether, though other will probably 
 argue that one.
 samsung seams reliable also.
 
 On 06/04/2011 21:35, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi Big Boy,
 
 My PC, Mac, and Braille Sense Plus don't have fire wire ports that I know
 off.  I know that all of these devices have USB ports though.  So what
 external hard drive should I go for then that will give me fast spped, lots
 of memory, and not cost a lot?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Sarah
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bigboy529
 Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:52 PM
 To: MacVisionaries
 Subject: Re: looking for an external hard drive compatible for both mac and
 pc
 
 Hi I would rather go for a firewire drive as this would give you faster
 transfer rates, go for a firewire drive if your mac, pc and other devices
 have firewire ports. If not you also get hard drive enclosures which have
 both a firewire and usb port...
 
 Ashley Cox wrote:
 Any usb drive should do.
 
 ash
 
 On 06/04/2011 18:52, Sarah May wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 I download a lot of books, movies, and music.  I want to keep them
 all in one place besides my hard drive on the Mac or PC.  I have
 been using compact flash cards and junk drives, known as memory
 sticks, but they don't provide enough space where I can fit
 everything all at once.  I don't want to have to keep purchasing
 expensive compact flash cards or memory sticks.  A family member of
 mine suggested that I should purchase an external hard drive.  I
 told her that was a great idea!  Now if I do this, which one
 should I purchase that will be compatible with both the Mac, PC, and
 my Braille Sense Plus?  I spend three days a week at dialysis where
 I bring my Braille Sense Plus.  I read books and watch movies and TV
 shows while dialyizing.  Hopefully, once I am more comfortable with the
 Macbook, I'll bring that as well.
 I want an external hard drive that will be compatible with all these
 devices, have a lot of memory as well, but not cost me a fortune
 either.  If anyone has any great advice on this matter, I would
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Re: Tables in Safari Question

2011-04-07 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Ooh!
Never throught of interacting with a particular cell. No I can't provide the 
URL. You'd need my log in info. I can probably provide a referril link. *smile* 
They have Amazon gift cards.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

 WIthout seeing it I can only assume you need to interact with the cell. Can 
 you provide the URL?
 
 Scott
 
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 All:
 I could use help. I do these survays, and they are layed out in tables. You 
 have a table with several columns, and you have to select your answers. For 
 example: 
 How often do you use the following products? Then you have a table with 
 several columns. Column 1 will have a list of products in each row, I.E. 
 tooth brush would be row 1, column 1. Makeup would be row 2, column 1, 
 dogfood row 3, column 1. The other columns would have titles like daily, 
 once a week, once a month, never. Each row in these columns would have check 
 boxes or radio buttons, and you check the box corosponding to each product.
 With Jaws, I'd press alt control right arrow, and alt control up and down to 
 navigate by columns and rows. I could check the appropriat check boxes. 
 I'm having problems on the Mac. I've tried this in DOM, and Group navigation 
 mode. I can navigate the tables, read each column and row header; however I 
 cannot check the checkboxes/radio buttons. The other rows appear blank; 
 however if I press vo u to bring up a list of input controls, I see a bunch 
 of check boxes, or radio buttons, so they are on the page. Any help would be 
 appreciated.
 
 
 Sarai Bucciarelli
 Personal to win Amazon and other free gift cards, Come join me on 
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Re: Tables in Safari Question

2011-04-07 Thread Robert Nelson
Dear Sara,

I have encountered these tables taking customer surveys for Chase's online  
banking system.  It is cumbersome.  What I have found helpful is the FIND NEXT 
CONTROL command vo-command-j.  this takes me to all the check boxes one at a 
time.  The other command is vo-F3.  this command describes the   item in the 
voice over cursor.  In this case  whether or not the check box is checked or 
not.  I hope this helps.
Sincerely Yours,
robert Nelson

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Re: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Sarah:
I just completed a year of one on one instruction.  It's an awesome way to 
learn.  And, if your experience is anything like mine has been, you'll find it 
becomes more of an exchange of ideas than a teaching session, and you'll 
probably wind up learning from each other.:)

They will probably keep yu with one trainer, who is voiceover familiar.  
Occasionally, I'd get someone different, and it was not quite as productive but 
still fun.
Good luck, and let us know how it's going.

Carolyn
On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Sarah May wrote:

  
 Hi Ray,
  
 Thanks a lot.  I think it will go well indeed.  The person whom I spke with 
 over the phone this evening was so friendly and helpful.  I wish Freedom 
 Scientific had more people like that.  Oops, I think I just said something I 
 shouldn’t. LOL
  
 Sarah
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:14 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class
  
 Well now, that is very good indeed.  I do hope it goes well.
  
  
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
  
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
  
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
  
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 
 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I will 
 be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have one-on-one 
 instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece’s birthday is 
 coming up.  She’ll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah is going to 
 purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of technology 
 that is around today for music at her age.  She’ll be nine years old.  I 
 guess times are changing aren’t they? *smile*
  
 Sarah
  
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Re: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Cheree
Cheree Heppe here:

Despite the fact that I am learning a ton by reading on the lists, this is 
exactly what I ought to do.

I haven't migrated over completely to the Apple platform, but, as things stand, 
it's only a matter of time.

Let us know how the classes proceed.

I have also found that the Apple reps are very open to helping us, even the 
ones who barely know how to use VO.  It does say something about how Apple 
thinks and how it expects its reps to think.  Or maybe I mean that it says a 
lot about the calober of the reps, etc.


Regards,
Cheree Heppe


Sent from my iPhone

On 07/04/2011, at 17:18, Christopher Peppel chris.a.pep...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Sara,
 
 I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in 
 Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise 
 in the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work 
 with me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.
 
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I 
 will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have 
 one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece’s 
 birthday is coming up.  She’ll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah 
 is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of 
 technology that is around today for music at her age.  She’ll be nine years 
 old.  I guess times are changing aren’t they? *smile*
  
 Sarah
 
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Re: Tables in Safari Question

2011-04-07 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Sarai,

When I've encountered these sorts of tables, I've often had to Interact With 
the specific cell to activate the radio button.  Toyota sends me surveys 
occasionally and they work in the manner you're speaking of.  Just navigating 
across the cells does not tell you that there is a radio button or checkbox, 
but Interacting With it usually does the trick.

HTH.

Later...

On 2011-04-07, at 6:43 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 Sarai

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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RE: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May
 

Hi Carolyn,

 

I hope my experience with the one-to-one training will be positive like
yours.  I like it if the person I work with and myself will be able to
exchange ideas

Like what happened with yours.  It seems like Apple really wants to , or is
trying to, make their products ver accessible to the blind and visually
impaired community.  I think it's awesome that they have all the instructors
or reps be familiar with voice over and hopefully they are familiar with
other software that helps the deaf hard of hearing community and those with
other disabilities.  I will definitely tell you and the list how my first
session went.

 

Sarah

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of carolyn Haas
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

 

Hi Sarah:

I just completed a year of one on one instruction.  It's an awesome way to
learn.  And, if your experience is anything like mine has been, you'll find
it becomes more of an exchange of ideas than a teaching session, and you'll
probably wind up learning from each other.:)

 

They will probably keep yu with one trainer, who is voiceover familiar.
Occasionally, I'd get someone different, and it was not quite as productive
but still fun.

Good luck, and let us know how it's going.

 

Carolyn

On Apr 7, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Sarah May wrote:





 

Hi Ray,

 

Thanks a lot.  I think it will go well indeed.  The person whom I spke with
over the phone this evening was so friendly and helpful.  I wish Freedom
Scientific had more people like that.  Oops, I think I just said something I
shouldn't. LOL

 

Sarah

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 6:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

 

Well now, that is very good indeed.  I do hope it goes well.

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://www.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 

 

On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:






Hi List,

 

If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*

 

Sarah

 

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RE: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May
 

Hi Chris,

 

I'm located in Minneapolis, Minnesota.  I am very surprised and excited
about how willing the people at my Apple store are willing to work with me
and how friendly and accommodating they seem to be.  This past December I
went into the Apple store near my home and looked at voice over on the
Macbook.  The sales person I worked with, who worked with me for two hours
and I made an appointment to come in, was so helpful and friendly.  I
learned a lot in those two hours.  If it wasn't for the cost I would have
purchased a Macbook right there and then.  Luckily, my family purchased one
for me a little over a month ago for my birthday.  I hope my first session
will go well tomorrow and I'll tell everyone how it went.

 

Sarah

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Peppel
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

 

Hi Sara,

 

I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in
Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise
in the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work
with me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.

 

Chris

On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:





Hi List,

 

If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*

 

Sarah

 

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Re: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Zachary Kline
I'm very much looking forward to hearing from you about this.  I've never had 
formal training from any tech company, so it'll be interesting to get your 
perspective as you go through the process.  I can't wait.
Welcome to the Mac.
Best,
Zack.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Sarah May wrote:

  
 Hi Chris,
  
 I’m located in Minneapolis, Minnesota.  I am very surprised and excited about 
 how willing the people at my Apple store are willing to work with me and how 
 friendly and accommodating they seem to be.  This past December I went into 
 the Apple store near my home and looked at voice over on the Macbook.  The 
 sales person I worked with, who worked with me for two hours and I made an 
 appointment to come in, was so helpful and friendly.  I learned a lot in 
 those two hours.  If it wasn’t for the cost I would have purchased a Macbook 
 right there and then.  Luckily, my family purchased one for me a little over 
 a month ago for my birthday.  I hope my first session will go well tomorrow 
 and I’ll tell everyone how it went.
  
 Sarah
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfChristopher Peppel
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:18 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class
  
 Hi Sara,
  
 I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in 
 Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise 
 in the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work 
 with me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.
  
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 
 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I will 
 be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have one-on-one 
 instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece’s birthday is 
 coming up.  She’ll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah is going to 
 purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of technology 
 that is around today for music at her age.  She’ll be nine years old.  I 
 guess times are changing aren’t they? *smile*
  
 Sarah
  
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RE: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May

Hi Zack,

It should be interesting and fun.  I had some formal training from assistive
technology people from my State Services for the Blind when I started using
jaws years ago.  I didn't like their style of teaching because a lot of them
would talk or teach so technical.  I did a lot better once I had someone who
wasn't formally trained in assistive technology, or IT, and used the
software on a daily basis.  They were blind themselves and so were able to
show and explain how to use the software to me on a lay person's level.  You
know what I mean?  So it will be interesting to see what this trainer's
style of teaching is like.

Sarah

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Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:26 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

I'm very much looking forward to hearing from you about this.  I've never
had formal training from any tech company, so it'll be interesting to get
your perspective as you go through the process.  I can't wait.
Welcome to the Mac.
Best,
Zack.
On Apr 7, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Sarah May wrote:

  
 Hi Chris,
  
 I'm located in Minneapolis, Minnesota.  I am very surprised and excited
about how willing the people at my Apple store are willing to work with me
and how friendly and accommodating they seem to be.  This past December I
went into the Apple store near my home and looked at voice over on the
Macbook.  The sales person I worked with, who worked with me for two hours
and I made an appointment to come in, was so helpful and friendly.  I
learned a lot in those two hours.  If it wasn't for the cost I would have
purchased a Macbook right there and then.  Luckily, my family purchased one
for me a little over a month ago for my birthday.  I hope my first session
will go well tomorrow and I'll tell everyone how it went.
  
 Sarah
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfChristopher Peppel
 Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 7:18 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class
  
 Hi Sara,
  
 I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in
Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise
in the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work
with me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.
  
 Chris
 On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:
 
 
 Hi List,
  
 If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*
  
 Sarah
  
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Apple TV in the UK Voice Over

2011-04-07 Thread Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
All,

Just a quick note, and sorry, I suspect its been covered before, but am having 
trouble finding the basics to what I need to know online.

Does Apple TV offer Voice Over support, and if so in what manner, i.e. can you 
control Apple TV using just a blue tooth Apple keyboard with Voice Over being 
physically utilised by the product itself, or is the product purely controlled 
from something like your iPhone etc, which means that Voice Over is produced by 
that device enabling you to control it...?

If this is the case, can the Apple TV initially be setup and configured for the 
first time by a blind user?

specifically a UK question, what services and TV options can I get out of an 
Apple TV here?

One assumes you can physically browse the internet using Apple TV?

does anyone know if you can connect Apple TV to, for example; an NAS network 
attached storage unit which stores an iTunes library, or is it necessary to 
have a Mac computer always on so that Apple TV can stream using AirPlay etc...

many thanks for any advice.


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RE: will be starting my first mac class

2011-04-07 Thread Sarah May
 

Hi Cheree,

 

I will tell you how my first session goes after tomorrow.  I'm very lucky
that my family paid for a year's worth of this training.  If it wasn't for
that I would be learning as I go and from what I would have read from the
list as well.  I don't know how expensive the training is, because I didn't
have to pay for it.  If it's kind of expensive I can see why we'd have to
learn as we go and from others.

 

Yes, so far the reps that I have dealt with through Apple have been so nice
and friendly.  It's a breath of fresh air because other tech support people
I have dealt with in the past from other companies, they will remain
nameless, haven't been so.

 

Thanks for the good luck and I hope to learn a lot tomorrow.

 

Sarah

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheree
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 9:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: will be starting my first mac class

 

Cheree Heppe here:

 

Despite the fact that I am learning a ton by reading on the lists, this is
exactly what I ought to do.

 

I haven't migrated over completely to the Apple platform, but, as things
stand, it's only a matter of time.

 

Let us know how the classes proceed.

 

I have also found that the Apple reps are very open to helping us, even the
ones who barely know how to use VO.  It does say something about how Apple
thinks and how it expects its reps to think.  Or maybe I mean that it says a
lot about the calober of the reps, etc.

 

 

Regards,

Cheree Heppe



Sent from my iPhone


On 07/04/2011, at 17:18, Christopher Peppel chris.a.pep...@gmail.com
wrote:

Hi Sara,

 

I hope you enjoy your Mac class.  I took them at the Apple store here in
Burlington, MA and enjoyed it very much.  I have to give them all the praise
in the world.  The fact that they don't know VO and yet were willing to work
with me says a lot about Apple.  Good luck.

 

Chris

On Apr 7, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Sarah May wrote:





Hi List,

 

If the guy at the Apple store in my area gets back to me this evening; I
will be starting my first Mac with voice over classes.  I will have
one-on-one instruction and am really looking forward to it.  Also my niece's
birthday is coming up.  She'll be receiving an I-Pod touch.  So Aunt Sarah
is going to purchase an I-tunes gift card for her.  I never had the kind of
technology that is around today for music at her age.  She'll be nine years
old.  I guess times are changing aren't they? *smile*

 

Sarah

 

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