Re: accessible adobe on the mac

2015-04-18 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there y'all
As I have said before, I like PDF pen pro for completing forms, and lately I've 
used it for reading PDF files. Even though I have to go page by page, it does a 
very good job of reading them.
I will probably uninstall Adobe acrobat reader from my computer because I too 
was disappointed in how it worked. I wanted to try it and see if it works 
better, but no.
Gigi
Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 16, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there, 
 
 After all the talk from Adobe Systems this app is rubbish to say the least. 
 
 I would try PDF pro. 
 
 Really disappointed.  
 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 — 
 
 
 On 16/04/2015 1:09 pm, Jonathan C Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There were tweets from Adobe’s Accessibility Evangelist saying that Adobe DC 
 (both reader and full fledged) would work with VoiceOver and include support 
 for fully tagged PDF documents.
 
 
 On Apr 11, 2015, at 15:53, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 A couple weeks ago, someone posted to the list that there was going to be 
 an accessible version of adobe acrobat with VO  for the Mac. There seemed 
 to be some dispute. Was the question finally resolved?
 thanks.
 
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RE: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to

2015-04-18 Thread george b
I think we are tired of your comments on this

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 07:50
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to

Hi All,

I’m that guy who wrote that satirical experience at the apple store to fumble 
with a dead watch before arrival, unlike a dead on arrival watch. Don’t know 
which one is better.

To be sincere, I yesterday pushed a button for the space grey 42mm with space 
grey link bracelet, the most expensive one. This is not because I like fashion, 
it’s because the sleekest most discrete and functionally solid one seems to be 
the most expensive. And since I wish or wanted to or was going to use it 
everyday by trying lots of tests coding apps for it, I thought it might be 
better to do it right while I’m there.

So I pressed the button, but now I’m hard pressed to press yet another button, 
the cancel order one.
More and more of my sighted friends, a few of my VIP friends and article after 
article of the trends going on, from apple going to bed with wall street as 
opposed to when jobs was there, apple becoming less focused on real experiences 
but increasing a bucket load of bullshit experiences, sending luxury brand 
fahsionistas, famous singers etc on a long list to wear a custom watch no one 
will be able to get anyway, as marketing tools instead of those really 
imaginative and creawtive ways jobs and his team used to have to make it 
dreamy, fun and edgy, from all this pep talk about the best this and that, I 
find the apple experience to be fading into a set of what used to be great 
advances to rushing to get something out. Read the article below, it really 
drives it thoroughly.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3042987/you-guys-realize-the-apple-watch-is-going-to-flop-right

And now, going through my assignments in higher maths and artificial 
intelligence, I kind of see the watch as something I’ll probably leave on a 
desk to gather dust after a month or so of charging it all the time just to get 
text notifications, a few haptic pokes from fb or plain getting self conscious 
of lifting my arm to ask siri something, of which half the  stuff will be 
erroneous anyway. There’s far more interesting stuff to do, such as use that 
1600 AUD dollars to buy an extra 64 raspberry 2 mini computers with which I can 
apply my knowledge in A.I and do way more cool shit than talk to my watch for 
the weather and be its energetic slave, just because people said its gorgeous 
looking. Function over form. 

I think I’m off to find a different, less expensive (like a tenth), more simple 
and battery efficient health band, the jawbone up 4.

Really, I wanted to jump on this but in the end my intuition says “fuck it, not 
worth the bucks”.

Cheers,



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Re: selecting Multiple files

2015-04-18 Thread Stacey Robinson
Do I leave cursor tracking on or off?

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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 On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:03 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Highlite the first file and press vo command return and you hear 1 file not 
 selected  do vo command return again and you hear 1 file selected
 Now go to each of the other files and do vo command return on each one and 
 you will hear 2 selectted, 3 selectted etc.
  
 When you got the last one do command c to copy and then command where you 
 wish to past them
  
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 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
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 To: Macvisionaries
 Subject: selecting Multiple files
  
 If I have a bunch of files on my desktop that I want to store elsewhere, how 
 do I select all of them and copy them to a storage drive or something?
 I thought I was doing it right by turning off cursor tracking and selecting 
 files with vo enter, but when I go to copy it says only one file selected.
 Thanks for all of your help
  
  
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
 
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saving messages before sending

2015-04-18 Thread Stacey Robinson
Hi all,
If I write  an email and want to save it to my desktop before sending how do I 
do this?
It says in file menu that save is command s, but doesn’t give me options of 
where to save.
I’m running a macbook air with the latest software.
Thanks ahead of time.

Blessings,
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RE: selecting Multiple files

2015-04-18 Thread george b
Highlite the first file and press vo command return and you hear 1 file not 
selected  do vo command return again and you hear 1 file selected

Now go to each of the other files and do vo command return on each one and you 
will hear 2 selectted, 3 selectted etc.

 

When you got the last one do command c to copy and then command where you wish 
to past them

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Stacey Robinson
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 07:52
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: selecting Multiple files

 

If I have a bunch of files on my desktop that I want to store elsewhere, how do 
I select all of them and copy them to a storage drive or something?

I thought I was doing it right by turning off cursor tracking and selecting 
files with vo enter, but when I go to copy it says only one file selected.

Thanks for all of your help

 

 

Blessings,

Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.



mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

 

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Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to

2015-04-18 Thread Yuma Decaux
Hi All,

I’m that guy who wrote that satirical experience at the apple store to fumble 
with a dead watch before arrival, unlike a dead on arrival watch. Don’t know 
which one is better.

To be sincere, I yesterday pushed a button for the space grey 42mm with space 
grey link bracelet, the most expensive one. This is not because I like fashion, 
it’s because the sleekest most discrete and functionally solid one seems to be 
the most expensive. And since I wish or wanted to or was going to use it 
everyday by trying lots of tests coding apps for it, I thought it might be 
better to do it right while I’m there.

So I pressed the button, but now I’m hard pressed to press yet another button, 
the cancel order one.
More and more of my sighted friends, a few of my VIP friends and article after 
article of the trends going on, from apple going to bed with wall street as 
opposed to when jobs was there, apple becoming less focused on real experiences 
but increasing a bucket load of bullshit experiences, sending luxury brand 
fahsionistas, famous singers etc on a long list to wear a custom watch no one 
will be able to get anyway, as marketing tools instead of those really 
imaginative and creawtive ways jobs and his team used to have to make it 
dreamy, fun and edgy, from all this pep talk about the best this and that, I 
find the apple experience to be fading into a set of what used to be great 
advances to rushing to get something out. Read the article below, it really 
drives it thoroughly.

http://www.fastcodesign.com/3042987/you-guys-realize-the-apple-watch-is-going-to-flop-right

And now, going through my assignments in higher maths and artificial 
intelligence, I kind of see the watch as something I’ll probably leave on a 
desk to gather dust after a month or so of charging it all the time just to get 
text notifications, a few haptic pokes from fb or plain getting self conscious 
of lifting my arm to ask siri something, of which half the  stuff will be 
erroneous anyway. There’s far more interesting stuff to do, such as use that 
1600 AUD dollars to buy an extra 64 raspberry 2 mini computers with which I can 
apply my knowledge in A.I and do way more cool shit than talk to my watch for 
the weather and be its energetic slave, just because people said its gorgeous 
looking. Function over form. 

I think I’m off to find a different, less expensive (like a tenth), more simple 
and battery efficient health band, the jawbone up 4.

Really, I wanted to jump on this but in the end my intuition says “fuck it, not 
worth the bucks”.

Cheers,



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selecting Multiple files

2015-04-18 Thread Stacey Robinson
If I have a bunch of files on my desktop that I want to store elsewhere, how do 
I select all of them and copy them to a storage drive or something?
I thought I was doing it right by turning off cursor tracking and selecting 
files with vo enter, but when I go to copy it says only one file selected.
Thanks for all of your help


Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net

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Re: saving messages before sending

2015-04-18 Thread Stacey Robinson
Thanks Alex,
That is what I did.

Blessings,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:07 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Instead of saving to a file, I'd recommend saving it as a draft, or making a 
 copy from your Sent folder once the message is sent. This way, you retain the 
 meta data--addressees, time, subject, and so on. If all you need is the text, 
 I can't say I've ever had to do this, so there's probably a better way… But 
 I'd just select all, copy it, paste it into a new Text Edit document, then 
 save that.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net 
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 If I write  an email and want to save it to my desktop before sending how do 
 I do this?
 It says in file menu that save is command s, but doesn’t give me options of 
 where to save.
 I’m running a macbook air with the latest software.
 Thanks ahead of time.
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
  
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documentary tv show producer needs a blind marketer

2015-04-18 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
hello group; i am very active on linked in and a friend referred a gentleman to 
me this week. he currently works for cisco and is starting his own company to 
produce documentary television projects. their first four episodes will 
concentrate on marketing. he is seeking a visually impaired or blind person who 
is primarily a marketer whether that be as an employee of a company or as a 
business owner. the key is your main focus and most of your duties need to be 
in the area of marketing. he determined that with all i have going on i am 
really more of an entrepreneur. he said we would do a different project down 
the road. I'm not counting on that even though he is a nice guy and comes 
highly recommended. but when i realized i wasn't a good fit for it, i told him 
i would do my best to find someone who is. if you think you fit this 
description and are interested in being featured in a tv show that will be more 
about what you do than the fact you are a blind person doing it; then please 
email me off list and I'll get you together with him. thanks for reading this,  


Maxwell Ivey Jr.

phone 979-215-1770

Skype Maxwell Ivey

twitter @maxwellivey

as mr. midway

www.midwaymarketplace.com

email maxw...@midwaymarketplace.com

as the blind blogger 

www.theblindblogger.net

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Re: How do I go about installing Microsoft Office on to my Mac?

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed

Hello,

That would be correct. The entire suite   of productivity products are 
totally accessible on both the iPhone and iPad.


Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/18/2015 6:31 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Is Microsoft Office accessible for the I phone now too?
On 17 Apr 2015, at 07:43, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Eleanor,

You can access the preview at the below link:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849.

Once it's downloaded open the file and proceed with the regular software 
installation.

Then open word and use your screen reader commands to check for updates.

Relaunch word from the doc or applications folder and you should be good to go.

Regarding Office 365 I don't believe you need to pay again.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: How do I go about installing Microsoft Office on to my Mac?

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed

Hello,

That would be correct. The entire suite   of productivity products are 
totally accessible on both the iPhone and iPad.


Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/18/2015 6:31 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Is Microsoft Office accessible for the I phone now too?
On 17 Apr 2015, at 07:43, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Eleanor,

You can access the preview at the below link:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849.

Once it's downloaded open the file and proceed with the regular software 
installation.

Then open word and use your screen reader commands to check for updates.

Relaunch word from the doc or applications folder and you should be good to go.

Regarding Office 365 I don't believe you need to pay again.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: How do I go about installing Microsoft Office on to my Mac?

2015-04-18 Thread Grant Hardy
I’d say the office apps for iOS are somewhat accessible. Specifically, Excel, 
PowerPoint and Outlook seem to work pretty well, but there is a critical issue 
in Word where with VoiceOver, often you cannot navigate through a document by 
line. I’m not sure whether everyone experiences this issue, but I know that it 
is not isolated to my device. Specifically, this is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 
8.3. I do most of my editing in Google Docs for iOS which doesn’t seem to 
exhibit this issue.

Grant


On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

That would be correct. The entire suite   of productivity products are totally 
accessible on both the iPhone and iPad.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/18/2015 6:31 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 Is Microsoft Office accessible for the I phone now too?
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 07:43, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Eleanor,
 
 You can access the preview at the below link:
 
 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849.
 
 Once it's downloaded open the file and proceed with the regular software 
 installation.
 
 Then open word and use your screen reader commands to check for updates.
 
 Relaunch word from the doc or applications folder and you should be good to 
 go.
 
 Regarding Office 365 I don't believe you need to pay again.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 

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Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Grant Hardy
Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768

Best,

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

Are you using a Mac or Windows?
I don’t have it in my help menu either.
From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X unless 
you have your security setting configured a sertain way.

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
activate this menu item.

If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
on your computer? It definitely should be there.

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I look 
in about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How can I 
update it?

Many thanks,

Andrew
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your 
 screen not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the 
 word itself you find the send feedback for the app
 
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 i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to 
 the menubar and voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I 
 can type the search term, but I can't seem to read any results.  There's a 
 table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just image  and 
 I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check for 
 update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?
 
 Many thanks
 
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Re: How do I go about installing Microsoft Office on to my Mac?

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed

Hello Grant,

Thanks for the info.

Just tried it on my iPhone 6 and it is indeed as you say!

Will report this one right now.

Thanks once again for pointing that out.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/19/2015 5:09 AM, Grant Hardy wrote:

I’d say the office apps for iOS are somewhat accessible. Specifically, Excel, 
PowerPoint and Outlook seem to work pretty well, but there is a critical issue 
in Word where with VoiceOver, often you cannot navigate through a document by 
line. I’m not sure whether everyone experiences this issue, but I know that it 
is not isolated to my device. Specifically, this is on an iPhone 5S with iOS 
8.3. I do most of my editing in Google Docs for iOS which doesn’t seem to 
exhibit this issue.

Grant


On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:45 AM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello,

That would be correct. The entire suite   of productivity products are totally 
accessible on both the iPhone and iPad.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/18/2015 6:31 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Is Microsoft Office accessible for the I phone now too?
On 17 Apr 2015, at 07:43, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Eleanor,

You can access the preview at the below link:

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/p/?LinkId=523849.

Once it's downloaded open the file and proceed with the regular software 
installation.

Then open word and use your screen reader commands to check for updates.

Relaunch word from the doc or applications folder and you should be good to go.

Regarding Office 365 I don't believe you need to pay again.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to

2015-04-18 Thread Yuma Antoine Decaux
Its a free world sir

Sent from sputnik7 

 On 19/04/2015, at 1:00 am, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think we are tired of your comments on this
 
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 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 07:50
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 Subject: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to
 
 Hi All,
 
 I’m that guy who wrote that satirical experience at the apple store to fumble 
 with a dead watch before arrival, unlike a dead on arrival watch. Don’t know 
 which one is better.
 
 To be sincere, I yesterday pushed a button for the space grey 42mm with space 
 grey link bracelet, the most expensive one. This is not because I like 
 fashion, it’s because the sleekest most discrete and functionally solid one 
 seems to be the most expensive. And since I wish or wanted to or was going to 
 use it everyday by trying lots of tests coding apps for it, I thought it 
 might be better to do it right while I’m there.
 
 So I pressed the button, but now I’m hard pressed to press yet another 
 button, the cancel order one.
 More and more of my sighted friends, a few of my VIP friends and article 
 after article of the trends going on, from apple going to bed with wall 
 street as opposed to when jobs was there, apple becoming less focused on real 
 experiences but increasing a bucket load of bullshit experiences, sending 
 luxury brand fahsionistas, famous singers etc on a long list to wear a custom 
 watch no one will be able to get anyway, as marketing tools instead of those 
 really imaginative and creawtive ways jobs and his team used to have to make 
 it dreamy, fun and edgy, from all this pep talk about the best this and that, 
 I find the apple experience to be fading into a set of what used to be great 
 advances to rushing to get something out. Read the article below, it really 
 drives it thoroughly.
 
 http://www.fastcodesign.com/3042987/you-guys-realize-the-apple-watch-is-going-to-flop-right
 
 And now, going through my assignments in higher maths and artificial 
 intelligence, I kind of see the watch as something I’ll probably leave on a 
 desk to gather dust after a month or so of charging it all the time just to 
 get text notifications, a few haptic pokes from fb or plain getting self 
 conscious of lifting my arm to ask siri something, of which half the  stuff 
 will be erroneous anyway. There’s far more interesting stuff to do, such as 
 use that 1600 AUD dollars to buy an extra 64 raspberry 2 mini computers with 
 which I can apply my knowledge in A.I and do way more cool shit than talk to 
 my watch for the weather and be its energetic slave, just because people said 
 its gorgeous looking. Function over form. 
 
 I think I’m off to find a different, less expensive (like a tenth), more 
 simple and battery efficient health band, the jawbone up 4.
 
 Really, I wanted to jump on this but in the end my intuition says “fuck it, 
 not worth the bucks”.
 
 Cheers,
 
 
 
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Voiceover and tables in Microsoft Word

2015-04-18 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Hi,

I've just tried inserting and navigating a table into a microsoft word document 
on my mac.  The inserting of the table was easy and accessible.  Navigating the 
table also seems to work without having to interact with it.  I tried using 
both tab key and voiceover keys with arrow keys, both seem to let me navigate 
the table and Voiceover gives the cell coordinates very well.  The only thing 
that seems the problem at present is that when I have actually written some 
text into a cell and then tried to modify it by deleting some characters, 
VoiceOver doesn't give feedback on what letters are deleted.  Could someone 
confirm this?  This is really promising and provided Microsoft can fix some 
problems like the one above, we might actually get another word processing app 
on the mac that handles tables well.  Also page transitions in a document 
longer than one page seems fine.  I have set my preferences for Word to wrap 
text to window in preferences.

How do I report any problems with Word and voiceOver to Microsoft?

Andrew

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Re: Converting from pages to office for submission in college classroom

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed

Hi,

Just to add to this, if your daughter does decide to run Windows it will 
have to be Windows 8/8.1 as support for Windows 7 under Boot camp is   
being fazed out by Apple.


That's if she has any of the Macs that were released at Apple's  Spring 
Forward event.


Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/17/2015 9:47 AM, Grant Hardy wrote:

Lately, Microsoft has been giving Office 365 subscriptions away to students for 
free, provided you attend an eligible school. You generally need to enter your 
school’s Email address to confirm eligibility. My understanding is that this is 
supposed to be a worldwide offer. Details may be found here: 
http://products.office.com/en-us/student?tab=students

The current shipping version of Office for Mac is not accessible with VoiceOver 
but it appears that the next version of Office will be more accessible. 
Microsoft is offering a public preview of the next version of Office for Mac 
right now, and the latest preview build offers pretty good, basic VoiceOver 
accessibility in Word. If your daughter wants to switch to Office, give the 
Preview a go and see if it meets her needs. You can find more information about 
the preview here: https://products.office.com/en-us/mac/mac-preview

That said, as Tim stated, you don’t have to switch away from Pages for the sole 
reason of wanting to save in Word format. You can export to Microsoft Word 
format from within any Pages document. The option is under the export submenu, 
found in the file menu.

Lastly, if for whatever reason you need to fall back to Windows in the future, 
you don’t need to purchase a separate computer. You can install Windows on the 
same Mac machine you already use. You might have to buy Windows from the 
Microsoft Store if you don’t already have a license, but this should be cheaper 
and more convenient than buying a whole new PC. Here’s an article from 
Microsoft explaining Boot Camp. The article references Windows 7, but it 
includes a link to the Microsoft Store where you can buy Windows 8. 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/2647609

Best,

Grant

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Hi folks,
I'm asking this question in my daughters behalf.
She has had a Mac for the past three years  recently purchased a new computer 
in order to have access to  office  in order to submit her schoolwork online to 
her respective  teachers. My question is twofold   Does office for Mac come in 
a student edition as does the Microsoft equivalent? If not, does anyone know of 
extensions that will allow her to convert her work from pages to word? I may be 
a bit late with these questions as she went out to purchase an HP computer for 
the sole purpose of gaining access to Microsoft office. Hopefully I can find 
the answers for her in order that she can ultimately take it back, allowing her 
to use the copy of pages she has to continue her schoolwork. Accessibility is 
not an issue as she is  cited..  She called me yesterday totally unfamiliar 
with Windows 8, frustrated; etc. I couldn't help her, as I know nothing about 
Windows 8.  Any help anyone can offer would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in 
advance

Pam Francis




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Re: saving messages before sending

2015-04-18 Thread Alex Hall
Instead of saving to a file, I'd recommend saving it as a draft, or making a 
copy from your Sent folder once the message is sent. This way, you retain the 
meta data--addressees, time, subject, and so on. If all you need is the text, I 
can't say I've ever had to do this, so there's probably a better way… But I'd 
just select all, copy it, paste it into a new Text Edit document, then save 
that.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 If I write  an email and want to save it to my desktop before sending how do 
 I do this?
 It says in file menu that save is command s, but doesn’t give me options of 
 where to save.
 I’m running a macbook air with the latest software.
 Thanks ahead of time.
 
 Blessings,
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Re: selecting Multiple files

2015-04-18 Thread Alex Hall
You can leave it on. Just be sure you've interacted with the table of files 
first, and that you move from file to file with vo-arrows. Pressing any arrow 
key by itself will cause your selected items to become de-selected, and you'll 
have to start all over again.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:22 AM, Stacey Robinson stacey...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 
 Do I leave cursor tracking on or off?
 
 Blessings,
 Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.
   
 mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 10:03 AM, george b gbma...@gmail.com 
 mailto:gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Highlite the first file and press vo command return and you hear 1 file not 
 selected  do vo command return again and you hear 1 file selected
 Now go to each of the other files and do vo command return on each one and 
 you will hear 2 selectted, 3 selectted etc.
  
 When you got the last one do command c to copy and then command where you 
 wish to past them
  
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 Subject: selecting Multiple files
  
 If I have a bunch of files on my desktop that I want to store elsewhere, how 
 do I select all of them and copy them to a storage drive or something?
 I thought I was doing it right by turning off cursor tracking and selecting 
 files with vo enter, but when I go to copy it says only one file selected.
 Thanks for all of your help
  
  
 Blessings,
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Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed
According to the below article sometime in the second half of 
this year.


Link to source text:

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac-software/microsoft-office-mac-2015-release-date-rumours-price-preview-install-3456798/. 



Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/19/2015 5:53 AM, Phil Halton wrote:

Does anyone know when this software is supposed to go live?

Sent from my IPhone



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Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768

Best,

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

Are you using a Mac or Windows?
I don’t have it in my help menu either.
 From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X unless 
you have your security setting configured a sertain way.

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
activate this menu item.

If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
on your computer? It definitely should be there.

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I look in 
about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How can I update it?

Many thanks,

Andrew

On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:

The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your screen 
not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the word itself 
you find the send feedback for the app

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On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 22:42
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated

On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

Hi Listers,

I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to the menubar and 
voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I can type the search term, but I can't 
seem to read any results.  There's a table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just 
image  and I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check 
for update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?

Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Barry Hadder
The MS autoupdate will not install unless you have apps allowed from anywhere 
checked in your security settings and that is not advisable.  Microsoft 
odviously does not code sign their autoupdate installer.
I don’t consider this a bug.  Apple has there own ecosystem for such things and 
I’m sure that once the MS office apps are released, they will be in the app 
store.  Meanwhile, they are still in very early beta stage.  I don’t think that 
having to check manually for updates periodically is a critical issue.


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Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768

Best,

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

Are you using a Mac or Windows?
I don’t have it in my help menu either.
From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X unless 
you have your security setting configured a certain way.

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
activate this menu item.

If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
on your computer? It definitely should be there.

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I look 
in about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How can I 
update it?

Many thanks,

Andrew
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your 
 screen not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the 
 word itself you find the send feedback for the app
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac
 
 i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to 
 the menubar and voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I 
 can type the search term, but I can't seem to read any results.  There's a 
 table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just image  and 
 I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check for 
 update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?
 
 Many thanks
 
 Andrew
 
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RE: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread george b
Cool, when will you get yours late july...LOL


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so 
didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its 
arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
Cheers,
Donna

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Nothing reads in Word

2015-04-18 Thread Myrna Votta
I installed the preview yesterday and also installed the update.  However, when 
I create a new document and begin to type in the text pane, it seems as if I am 
not typing anything.  But, I did activate the word count button and I received 
the message that there were fifteen words.  I have also tried to open an 
existing Word document, which was available from my One Drive and all I heard 
was either beginning of text, or end of text.  I tried interacting, but, 
that didn't change anything.  Have any of you been able to either read what you 
typed, or, hav been able to read an existing document?  Or, am I doing or not 
doing something to have this happen?  I have not tried the other office apps, 
but, I will probably try either Excel or Outlook to see what happens.

Myrna

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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread gs
I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. I 
just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I keep 
my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my neck. I 
don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO and just 
don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make that much 
difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do understand it 
though.


On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so 
didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its 
arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
Cheers,
Donna

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RE: Nothing reads in Word

2015-04-18 Thread george b
Yes, and yes

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On Behalf Of Myrna Votta
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 13:30
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Nothing reads in Word

I installed the preview yesterday and also installed the update.  However, when 
I create a new document and begin to type in the text pane, it seems as if I am 
not typing anything.  But, I did activate the word count button and I received 
the message that there were fifteen words.  I have also tried to open an 
existing Word document, which was available from my One Drive and all I heard 
was either beginning of text, or end of text.  I tried interacting, but, 
that didn't change anything.  Have any of you been able to either read what you 
typed, or, hav been able to read an existing document?  Or, am I doing or not 
doing something to have this happen?  I have not tried the other office apps, 
but, I will probably try either Excel or Outlook to see what happens.

Myrna

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Re: Eloquence for the Mac.

2015-04-18 Thread gs
Hmm. When you tried it, it worked but you are no longer using it yet you wish 
it was supported. This is confusing. I don't want to waste the time with it if 
it really isn't useable. However, I do enjoy Eloquence and if it really worked 
well, I would use it exclusively on the Mac OS.


On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:27 AM, sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

When I tried it a couple of months ago it worked okay. 

I wish Apple acctually supported this synth officially. 

Kind regards,  

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 

B.A. Business Information Systems 

RMIT University 
   

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 On 17 Apr 2015, at 2:51 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think this will be doable because I can't  get the wine.app.  Anybody 
 have it? Even when I go to the homepage, the download link for the wine app 
 don't seem to exist. And the one that is in the README file simply isn't 
 found.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The file is at: 
 
 http://allinaccess.com/software/ http://allinaccess.com/software/ 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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 On 17 Apr 2015, at 11:28 am, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au mailto:debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 How would you go about running eloquence on the Mac? I wasn't aware that 
 was possible.
 
 Debbie
 
 Sent from my PC
 
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 Subject: Eloquence for the Mac.
 
 I know there are ways of running the above synthesiser on a Mac. 
 
 But it's horribly unstable. 
 
 Putting aside the Infovox voices are there any text to speech products that 
 can be used on OS X that rival eloquence for responsiveness? 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Yuma Decaux
It is a good thing. My order is due to ship around july and I am going for an 
advanced mobility course with some other uni mates so I will have the perfect 
occasion to really test it out against my initial opinion. If it really doesn’t 
fit my needs, I can always send it back via the local apple store. it really 
bogs down to battery life for me. But I’m sure next generations will get much 
better, especially with the upcoming leaps in battery life.

All the best,






 On 19/04/2015, at 6:32 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. 
 I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I 
 keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my 
 neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO 
 and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make 
 that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do 
 understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
Wow, I would hate not having actual Apple stores!  I am sure i wouldn't have 
bought the watch without being able to see it first.

I got the smaller size, 38mm I think.  the larger one wasn't over the top huge, 
but it was bigger than I would have wanted.  And since I don't need to see the 
screen, I figured I might as well stick with the smaller one.  As far as 
describing the size, it's bigger than my current braille watch, but not by too 
horribly much.  I actually got to put one on my wrist, and it felt very 
comfortable to wear.  However, the stainless steel watch is noticeably heavier, 
the lighter weight was another thing I liked about the sports model.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Donna,
 What size did you get? I don't know what size wrist/hands you have, but what 
 did you think of each of the sizes?
 I'd love to see one, but no chance of that here in New Zealand for goodness 
 knows how long. We don't have actual Apple stores here so we don't know which 
 Apple re-sellers will be selling it here.
 
 I'm on the fence about buying one. I don't really like talking watches so 
 probably it wouldn't be a good buy for me. I'm still curious though. 
 Definitely something I want to feel before I buy it.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 8:22 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, 
 and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  
 Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go 
 ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I 
 figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations 
 are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  
 Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually put it through its 
 paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
Oh, and I have fairly small hands.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Donna,
 What size did you get? I don't know what size wrist/hands you have, but what 
 did you think of each of the sizes?
 I'd love to see one, but no chance of that here in New Zealand for goodness 
 knows how long. We don't have actual Apple stores here so we don't know which 
 Apple re-sellers will be selling it here.
 
 I'm on the fence about buying one. I don't really like talking watches so 
 probably it wouldn't be a good buy for me. I'm still curious though. 
 Definitely something I want to feel before I buy it.
 
 Lisette
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 8:22 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, 
 and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  
 Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go 
 ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I 
 figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations 
 are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  
 Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually put it through its 
 paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so 
didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its 
arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Nothing reads in Word

2015-04-18 Thread Eileen

Hi Myrna,

Have you checked Word 2016 preview to make sure that the updates went in? It 
should read 15.9. I had a heck of a time upgrading. Like George, I'm able to 
word process with it. However, I have started a laundry list to submit to 
Microsoft sometime soon. I believe those who have been using a Mac for a while 
may not have the problems I'm having or they have more tricks up their sleeves 
to try or push Word 2016. It would be terrific if the Mac version worked like 
the PC, but no such luck. Everything is scattered all over the place. I'll keep 
testing it, but if I have some serious word processing to do, I'll use word 
2010. JMO. Oh, I was receiving a nagging error message from Apple that my 
system ran out of application memory. what did the trick was to do a disk 
cleanup if the update didn't go in. 

Take care. 

Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 18, 2015, at 1:39 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, and yes
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Myrna Votta
 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 13:30
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Nothing reads in Word
 
 I installed the preview yesterday and also installed the update.  However, 
 when I create a new document and begin to type in the text pane, it seems as 
 if I am not typing anything.  But, I did activate the word count button and I 
 received the message that there were fifteen words.  I have also tried to 
 open an existing Word document, which was available from my One Drive and all 
 I heard was either beginning of text, or end of text.  I tried 
 interacting, but, that didn't change anything.  Have any of you been able to 
 either read what you typed, or, hav been able to read an existing document?  
 Or, am I doing or not doing something to have this happen?  I have not tried 
 the other office apps, but, I will probably try either Excel or Outlook to 
 see what happens.
 
 Myrna
 
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question about audio hijack 3

2015-04-18 Thread Denise Barajas
Hello all,

I can’t remember how to make a new sesion for audio hijack pro so I can have 
certain things as they once were on the previous version of audio hijack. So, I 
need VLC to work with soundflower to make it work with skype and I also want 
the system audio to be transmited so that I can play stuff say from safari to 
someone over skype and stuff. I dont want to make tons of blocks to help me 
with a huge chain of a project. If someone could please tell me how to do this 
again, as I’ve had this work only once with a friend of mine guiding me through 
the whole process, I’d greatly appreciate it.



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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Lisette Wesseling
Donna,
What size did you get? I don't know what size wrist/hands you have, but what 
did you think of each of the sizes?
I'd love to see one, but no chance of that here in New Zealand for goodness 
knows how long. We don't have actual Apple stores here so we don't know which 
Apple re-sellers will be selling it here.

I'm on the fence about buying one. I don't really like talking watches so 
probably it wouldn't be a good buy for me. I'm still curious though. Definitely 
something I want to feel before I buy it.

Lisette
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 8:22 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Barry Hadder
Well, that’s interesting as I even tried installing it separately.  But, I 
really don’t care enough to explore the issue farther on my end.
I’m only testing this out of curiosity and nothing more.

On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Barry, the auto update tool installed just fine on my system, and I’m set to 
allow apps only from the App Store or from identified developers. While I agree 
it’s not critical to be missing the auto update, I would consider it a bug 
because unless a user follows Blogs and support articles and downloads the 
update packages manually, they will not only be missing critical security 
updates, but since this is a Preview they will find that their builds expire 
after some time. While some enthusiasts like us would not be inconvenienced too 
much by this, I think Microsoft’s intent was to provide notifications of 
updates automatically so end users don’t have to worry about keeping up with 
Blogs, forums and support articles to find them. Since the auto update tool is 
working fine on my end, I’m not having any issues to report to MS. But if you 
or others don’t have it working, I’d urge you to send in some feedback. Just my 
two cents.

Grant

On Apr 18, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

The MS autoupdate will not install unless you have apps allowed from anywhere 
checked in your security settings and that is not advisable.  Microsoft 
obviously does not code sign their autoupdate installer.
I don’t consider this a bug.  Apple has there own ecosystem for such things and 
I’m sure that once the MS office apps are released, they will be in the app 
store.  Meanwhile, they are still in very early beta stage.  I don’t think that 
having to check manually for updates periodically is a critical issue.


On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768

Best,

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

Are you using a Mac or Windows?
I don’t have it in my help menu either.
From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X unless 
you have your security setting configured a certain way.

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
activate this menu item.

If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
on your computer? It definitely should be there.

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I look 
in about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How can I 
update it?

Many thanks,

Andrew
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your 
 screen not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the 
 word itself you find the send feedback for the app
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 22:42
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac
 
 i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to 
 the menubar and voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I 
 can type the search term, but I can't seem to read any results.  There's a 
 table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just image  and 
 I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check for 
 update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?
 
 Many thanks
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
LOL.  No, it's not quite that bad, they said June, though they did not specify 
when in June.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:29 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Cool, when will you get yours late july...LOL
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 13:23
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
Actually, I felt pretty much the same way until I got a FitBit Flex a couple of 
months ago, and started tracking sleep, steps, calories, etc.  I like the Flex 
a lot, but there are some things the Apple watch does that the Flex doesn't, 
and they're things I'd like to have.  I see myself mostly using the watch for 
the health applications, and anything I can do with Siri.  As far as messaging 
and all that, it seems like it'll be much easier just to do that from the phone.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:32 PM, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. 
 I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I 
 keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my 
 neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO 
 and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make 
 that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do 
 understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Phil Halton
Does anyone know when this software is supposed to go live?

Sent from my IPhone


 On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
 builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
 installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
 trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
 your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
 accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.
 
 Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
 at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768
 
 Best,
 
 Grant
 
 On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Are you using a Mac or Windows?
 I don’t have it in my help menu either.
 From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X 
 unless you have your security setting configured a sertain way.
 
 On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Andrew,
 
 When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
 Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
 then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
 the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
 activate this menu item.
 
 If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
 on your computer? It definitely should be there.
 
 Grant
 
 On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I 
 look in about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How 
 can I update it?
 
 Many thanks,
 
 Andrew
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your 
 screen not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the 
 word itself you find the send feedback for the app
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas 
 Herrera
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 22:42
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac
 
 i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to 
 the menubar and voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I 
 can type the search term, but I can't seem to read any results.  There's a 
 table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just image  and 
 I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check for 
 update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?
 
 Many thanks
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: accessible adobe on the mac

2015-04-18 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Dear Gigi,

I'm so interested in your response here because I've not found a way of reading 
a pdf file in PdfPen pro.  How do you do this?

Many thanks,

Andrew
 On 18 Apr 2015, at 13:10, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there y'all
 As I have said before, I like PDF pen pro for completing forms, and lately 
 I've used it for reading PDF files. Even though I have to go page by page, it 
 does a very good job of reading them.
 I will probably uninstall Adobe acrobat reader from my computer because I too 
 was disappointed in how it worked. I wanted to try it and see if it works 
 better, but no.
 Gigi
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 16, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there, 
 
 After all the talk from Adobe Systems this app is rubbish to say the least. 
 
 I would try PDF pro. 
 
 Really disappointed.  
 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 — 
 
 
 On 16/04/2015 1:09 pm, Jonathan C Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There were tweets from Adobe’s Accessibility Evangelist saying that Adobe 
 DC (both reader and full fledged) would work with VoiceOver and include 
 support for fully tagged PDF documents.
 
 
 On Apr 11, 2015, at 15:53, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 A couple weeks ago, someone posted to the list that there was going to be 
 an accessible version of adobe acrobat with VO  for the Mac. There seemed 
 to be some dispute. Was the question finally resolved?
 thanks.
 
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Re: Digest for macvisionaries@googlegroups.com - 25 updates in 11 topics

2015-04-18 Thread Chenelle Hancock
Hello everyone,
This is Chenelle,
I wanted to know does anyone out there speak Russian? Also, do you use a broom 
Russian table in order to reap the Cyrillic Russian words via your Mac? With a 
brill display? If so can you Facebook me any help would be great shoot greatly 
appreciate it thank you. Sincerely,

Sent from my iPhone

 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:36 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 
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 Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch! - 3 Updates
 Nothing reads in Word - 1 Update
 accessible adobe on the mac - 2 Updates
 Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac - 4 Updates
 How do I go about installing Microsoft Office on to my Mac? - 4 Updates
 Converting from pages to office for submission in college classroom - 1 Update
 Voiceover and tables in Microsoft Word - 1 Update
 documentary tv show producer needs a blind marketer - 1 Update
 Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to - 3 
 Updates
 saving messages before sending - 3 Updates
 selecting Multiple files - 2 Updates
 Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!   
 Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com: Apr 18 03:22PM -0500 
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch. I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen. It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool. Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one. I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200. Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 george b gbma...@gmail.com: Apr 18 01:29PM -0700 
 
 Cool, when will you get yours late july...LOL
  
  
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
 Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 13:23
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!
  
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch. I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen. It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool. Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one. I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200. Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
  
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 gs geoffsli...@gmail.com: Apr 18 04:32PM -0400 
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. 
 I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I 
 keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my 
 neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO 
 and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make 
 that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do 
 understand it though.
  
  
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
  
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch. I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen. It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool. Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one. I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200. Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting 

Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac

2015-04-18 Thread Grant Hardy
Hi Barry, the auto update tool installed just fine on my system, and I’m set to 
allow apps only from the App Store or from identified developers. While I agree 
it’s not critical to be missing the auto update, I would consider it a bug 
because unless a user follows Blogs and support articles and downloads the 
update packages manually, they will not only be missing critical security 
updates, but since this is a Preview they will find that their builds expire 
after some time. While some enthusiasts like us would not be inconvenienced too 
much by this, I think Microsoft’s intent was to provide notifications of 
updates automatically so end users don’t have to worry about keeping up with 
Blogs, forums and support articles to find them. Since the auto update tool is 
working fine on my end, I’m not having any issues to report to MS. But if you 
or others don’t have it working, I’d urge you to send in some feedback. Just my 
two cents.

Grant

On Apr 18, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

The MS autoupdate will not install unless you have apps allowed from anywhere 
checked in your security settings and that is not advisable.  Microsoft 
odviously does not code sign their autoupdate installer.
I don’t consider this a bug.  Apple has there own ecosystem for such things and 
I’m sure that once the MS office apps are released, they will be in the app 
store.  Meanwhile, they are still in very early beta stage.  I don’t think that 
having to check manually for updates periodically is a critical issue.


On Apr 18, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Barry, I’d say auto-update is a critical part of the Office Preview, since 
builds quickly expire once updates are released. If auto update isn’t being 
installed for some of you, I’d consider that to be a bug and it may be worth 
trying a reinstall. There are multiple instances when the installer asks for 
your administrator password. I’m wondering if maybe one of these is being 
accidentally closed by some users, or isn’t gaining focus for whatever reason.

Meanwhile, you should be able to download the updates directly from Microsoft 
at the following link: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3048768

Best,

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote:

Are you using a Mac or Windows?
I don’t have it in my help menu either.
From what I can tell, the Microsoft autoupdate will not install on OS X unless 
you have your security setting configured a certain way.

On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:29 PM, Grant Hardy grant.li...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi Andrew,

When you open Microsoft Word, press CONTROL+OPTION+M to get into the menus. 
Keep the CONTROL and OPTION keys held down and arrow right to the help menu, 
then arrow down and the “check for updates” option should be the last item in 
the menu. With CONTROL and OPTION still held down, press the SPACEBAR to 
activate this menu item.

If you still aren’t seeing it, can you describe the contents of the help menu 
on your computer? It definitely should be there.

Grant

On Apr 17, 2015, at 10:58 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

I'm afraid that the update link is not in the Apple menu either.  When I look 
in about Word section, I read that my version is 15.9 not 16.9.  How can I 
update it?

Many thanks,

Andrew
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 13:51, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The app update is in the help menu of the apple menus at the top of your 
 screen not the help menu in the word app itself.  In the help menu of the 
 word itself you find the send feedback for the app
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dionipher Presas Herrera
 Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 22:42
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Cant' access help menu in Microsoft Word for mac
 
 i don't see it either, maybe it was already updated 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 7:19 am, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Listers,
 
 I've successfully installed Microsoft Word on my macbook pro.  When I go to 
 the menubar and voiceover to the help menu, I can find the search field, I 
 can type the search term, but I can't seem to read any results.  There's a 
 table there but it appears to be empty or voiceover reads just image  and 
 I can't activate anything there.  By the way, I don't see the check for 
 update item in the help menu either.  Is this regular?
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Sadam Ahmed
Interesting. After ordering mine on the first day I've subsequently 
hit the cancel button.


I came to the conclusion that my iPhone can already do most of the 
things I'd use the Watch for anyway.


Also me being a productivity nut I can't see myself powering through my 
email on said Watch  like I can on the phone.


Maybe I'll get the second generation but at this point it appears to be 
not worth it.


Most first gen Apple products come with a quirk.

Kind regards,

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed

B.A. Business Information Systems

RMIT University

On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:

It is a good thing. My order is due to ship around july and I am going for an 
advanced mobility course with some other uni mates so I will have the perfect 
occasion to really test it out against my initial opinion. If it really doesn’t 
fit my needs, I can always send it back via the local apple store. it really 
bogs down to battery life for me. But I’m sure next generations will get much 
better, especially with the upcoming leaps in battery life.

All the best,







On 19/04/2015, at 6:32 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:

I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. I 
just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I keep 
my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my neck. I 
don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO and just 
don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make that much 
difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do understand it 
though.


On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so 
didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its 
arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Donna Goodin
It does seem like using the watch to do email would be incredibly tedious.  I 
still seem myself doing that from my phone, too.  I would only advise getting 
the watch if you want to do the health tracking.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
Interesting. After ordering mine on the first day I've subsequently hit 
 the cancel button.
 
 I came to the conclusion that my iPhone can already do most of the things I'd 
 use the Watch for anyway.
 
 Also me being a productivity nut I can't see myself powering through my email 
 on said Watch  like I can on the phone.
 
 Maybe I'll get the second generation but at this point it appears to be not 
 worth it.
 
 Most first gen Apple products come with a quirk.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems
 
 RMIT University
 
 On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 It is a good thing. My order is due to ship around july and I am going for 
 an advanced mobility course with some other uni mates so I will have the 
 perfect occasion to really test it out against my initial opinion. If it 
 really doesn’t fit my needs, I can always send it back via the local apple 
 store. it really bogs down to battery life for me. But I’m sure next 
 generations will get much better, especially with the upcoming leaps in 
 battery life.
 
 All the best,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 6:32 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 
 days. I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have 
 said. I keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods 
 around my neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried 
 work with VO and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really 
 going to make that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual 
 users I do understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell 
 much because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form 
 factor, and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty 
 cool.  Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I 
 decided to go ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports 
 model, because I figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when 
 newer generations are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out the 
 extra $200.  Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually put it 
 through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Jonathan Mosen
You can't actually reply to email on the Apple Watch, only read it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

 On 19/04/2015, at 10:35 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 It does seem like using the watch to do email would be incredibly tedious.  I 
 still seem myself doing that from my phone, too.  I would only advise getting 
 the watch if you want to do the health tracking.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Interesting. After ordering mine on the first day I've subsequently hit 
 the cancel button.
 
 I came to the conclusion that my iPhone can already do most of the things 
 I'd use the Watch for anyway.
 
 Also me being a productivity nut I can't see myself powering through my 
 email on said Watch  like I can on the phone.
 
 Maybe I'll get the second generation but at this point it appears to be not 
 worth it.
 
 Most first gen Apple products come with a quirk.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems
 
 RMIT University
 
 On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 It is a good thing. My order is due to ship around july and I am going for 
 an advanced mobility course with some other uni mates so I will have the 
 perfect occasion to really test it out against my initial opinion. If it 
 really doesn’t fit my needs, I can always send it back via the local apple 
 store. it really bogs down to battery life for me. But I’m sure next 
 generations will get much better, especially with the upcoming leaps in 
 battery life.
 
 All the best,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 6:32 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 
 days. I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have 
 said. I keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods 
 around my neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried 
 work with VO and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really 
 going to make that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For 
 visual users I do understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take 
 a look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what 
 I would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell 
 much because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form 
 factor, and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty 
 cool.  Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I 
 decided to go ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports 
 model, because I figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when 
 newer generations are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out 
 the extra $200.  Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually 
 put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Brent Harding
I'm not sure whether to buy it either. It looks like one of the only ways to 
try it out though because I'm not anywhere near the two Apple Stores the 
state of Wisconsin has. The funny thing is though that there is a place 
called Apple Store, but they sell fruit instead.


- Original Message - 
From: Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!


Oh, and I have fairly small hands.
Cheers,
Donna
On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote:


Donna,
What size did you get? I don't know what size wrist/hands you have, but 
what did you think of each of the sizes?
I'd love to see one, but no chance of that here in New Zealand for 
goodness knows how long. We don't have actual Apple stores here so we 
don't know which Apple re-sellers will be selling it here.


I'm on the fence about buying one. I don't really like talking watches so 
probably it wouldn't be a good buy for me. I'm still curious though. 
Definitely something I want to feel before I buy it.


Lisette


On 19/04/2015, at 8:22 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take 
a look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure 
what I would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to 
tell much because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the 
form factor, and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was 
pretty cool.  Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, 
I decided to go ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports 
model, because I figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when 
newer generations are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out 
the extra $200.  Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually 
put it through its paces.

Cheers,
Donna

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I lost my serial for abbyy fine reader for mac, is there any hope of retrieving it?

2015-04-18 Thread Ted Phillips
Hi all.  The subject says it,  I did a reinstall of OS10 last night and didn’t 
see my e-mail with the serial for Abbyy fine reader for mac.  I did write a 
message to Abbyy support.  Is there hope, or did I waste $130 that I can’t get 
back?  Thanks all

Ted Phillips

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Re: Eloquence for the Mac.

2015-04-18 Thread sadamahmed1992
When I tried it was quite early. 

At that stage I believe the software  was designated  Alpha. 

My friend who runs it says it works well except for the odd freezing and 
stability  issues. 

I've been meaning to put it back on my system but just haven't gotten around to 
doing it what with university assignments coming at me from all angles. 

Kind regards, 

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 

Sent from my iPhone 

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 On 19 Apr 2015, at 6:55 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hmm. When you tried it, it worked but you are no longer using it yet you wish 
 it was supported. This is confusing. I don't want to waste the time with it 
 if it really isn't useable. However, I do enjoy Eloquence and if it really 
 worked well, I would use it exclusively on the Mac OS.
 
 
 On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:27 AM, sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   When I tried it a couple of months ago it worked okay. 
 
 I wish Apple acctually supported this synth officially. 
 
 Kind regards,  
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems 
 
 RMIT University 

 
 — 
 
 
 
 
 On 17 Apr 2015, at 2:51 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think this will be doable because I can't  get the wine.app.  
 Anybody have it? Even when I go to the homepage, the download link for the 
 wine app don't seem to exist. And the one that is in the README file simply 
 isn't found.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Apr 16, 2015, at 9:44 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The file is at: 
 
 http://allinaccess.com/software/ 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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 On 17 Apr 2015, at 11:28 am, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 How would you go about running eloquence on the Mac? I wasn't aware that 
 was possible.
 
 Debbie
 
 Sent from my PC
 
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 Sent: Friday, 17 April 2015 4:18 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Eloquence for the Mac.
 
 I know there are ways of running the above synthesiser on a Mac. 
 
 But it's horribly unstable. 
 
 Putting aside the Infovox voices are there any text to speech products 
 that can be used on OS X that rival eloquence for responsiveness? 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread sadamahmed1992
Thanks for clearing that up Jonathan. 

That's disappointing as I am a big believer in being as productive as possible. 

I will get one eventually just not in the initial phase. 

Let the early adopters work out the bugs for the rest of us. 

Kind regards, 

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 

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 You can't actually reply to email on the Apple Watch, only read it.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 10:35 am, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 It does seem like using the watch to do email would be incredibly tedious.  
 I still seem myself doing that from my phone, too.  I would only advise 
 getting the watch if you want to do the health tracking.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Interesting. After ordering mine on the first day I've subsequently hit 
 the cancel button.
 
 I came to the conclusion that my iPhone can already do most of the things 
 I'd use the Watch for anyway.
 
 Also me being a productivity nut I can't see myself powering through my 
 email on said Watch  like I can on the phone.
 
 Maybe I'll get the second generation but at this point it appears to be not 
 worth it.
 
 Most first gen Apple products come with a quirk.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed
 
 B.A. Business Information Systems
 
 RMIT University
 
 On 4/19/2015 7:32 AM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 It is a good thing. My order is due to ship around july and I am going for 
 an advanced mobility course with some other uni mates so I will have the 
 perfect occasion to really test it out against my initial opinion. If it 
 really doesn’t fit my needs, I can always send it back via the local apple 
 store. it really bogs down to battery life for me. But I’m sure next 
 generations will get much better, especially with the upcoming leaps in 
 battery life.
 
 All the best,
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 19/04/2015, at 6:32 am, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 
 days. I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have 
 said. I keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods 
 around my neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried 
 work with VO and just don't see how having something on my wrist is 
 really going to make that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. 
 For visual users I do understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take 
 a look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure 
 what I would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to 
 tell much because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the 
 form factor, and thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was 
 pretty cool.  Since I have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, 
 I decided to go ahead and pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports 
 model, because I figure it's highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when 
 newer generations are released, so didn't see the sense in shelling out 
 the extra $200.  Looking forward to its arrival and getting to actually 
 put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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new iPhone user

2015-04-18 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
hello group; just got an iPhone last week. have been very happy with it so far. 
also got a bluetooth keyboard. i am wondering what apps people are using for 
twitter and face book. I'm also wondering about your experience with sirius on 
iPhone. finally are there any other apps you have used that you would recommend 
for getting more use or enjoyment out of my iPhone? thanks, max 

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Re: new iPhone user

2015-04-18 Thread Alex Hall
Congratulations! I'm glad to hear you're already enjoying the iPhone; some 
people who get it with the expectation of loving it straight away end up 
struggling for a while before they get the hang of things.

For Facebook, your best bet is the official Facebook app. It's not perfect, but 
it works. Their other apps--Messenger, Rooms, and Stories--are also accessible.

Twitter has an accessible, official app too, but I prefer third-party ones. 
Twitterrific is really nice, and is currently my primary app. Tweetings has 
some cool features and is worth a look, and I've heard that TweetLogix 
(possibly not spelled correctly) is another good option.

As for other apps, that all depends on what you're looking for: games, word 
processors, book readers, social networking, navigation, money identifying, bar 
code readers, object identifiers, light detectors, and plenty more. As always, 
I highly recommend www.applevis.com http://www.applevis.com/, specifically 
the page for new iOS users, as a great place to start. Personally, the apps 
that pop into my head right off the bat are:

* Voice Dream Reader, for reading just about any text/audio book or file that 
isn't encrypted. This includes Bookshare, Instapaper, Dropbox, and plenty more, 
all built into the app, and you can use third-party voices from the likes of 
Ivona Neospeech, and others to read.
* Dice World is a collection of six dice games, and is beyond accessible.
* Lire is an RSS reader with tons of great features, and is so accessible the 
developer has a section in the app's settings for VO users to decide what 
information to hear when reviewing article lists.
* Red Laser is a free bar code reader that works really well, once you get the 
hang of it.
* Downcast or Overcast are two nice apps for handling podcasts. I use Downcast, 
but I've heard great things about Overcast as well.
* Carrit Fit, Carrot Hunger, and Carrot Weather are all fun apps. Fit and 
Hunger are for exercise and calorie tracking, respectively, and Weather is (not 
surprisingly) a weather app. All three are fully accessible.

Anyway, AppleVis has a lot more information, including an entire page of apps 
we recommend for new iOS users.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:36 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 hello group; just got an iPhone last week. have been very happy with it so 
 far. also got a bluetooth keyboard. i am wondering what apps people are using 
 for twitter and face book. I'm also wondering about your experience with 
 sirius on iPhone. finally are there any other apps you have used that you 
 would recommend for getting more use or enjoyment out of my iPhone? thanks, 
 max 
 
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Re: new iPhone user

2015-04-18 Thread 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
hi alex; well i expect that the iPhone will do more than the phone i had. but i 
generally try to keep my expectations low when it comes to new hardware or 
software. your reply was very comprehensive. I appreciate it and will save the 
email. i have had fun playing trivia crack although i hate the ads. and i'd 
love it if the rs games had an iPhone version. i love their versions of uno and 
monopoly. will check out the link and the apps and get back to you, max 
On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:01 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

 Congratulations! I'm glad to hear you're already enjoying the iPhone; some 
 people who get it with the expectation of loving it straight away end up 
 struggling for a while before they get the hang of things.
 
 For Facebook, your best bet is the official Facebook app. It's not perfect, 
 but it works. Their other apps--Messenger, Rooms, and Stories--are also 
 accessible.
 
 Twitter has an accessible, official app too, but I prefer third-party ones. 
 Twitterrific is really nice, and is currently my primary app. Tweetings has 
 some cool features and is worth a look, and I've heard that TweetLogix 
 (possibly not spelled correctly) is another good option.
 
 As for other apps, that all depends on what you're looking for: games, word 
 processors, book readers, social networking, navigation, money identifying, 
 bar code readers, object identifiers, light detectors, and plenty more. As 
 always, I highly recommend www.applevis.com, specifically the page for new 
 iOS users, as a great place to start. Personally, the apps that pop into my 
 head right off the bat are:
 
 * Voice Dream Reader, for reading just about any text/audio book or file that 
 isn't encrypted. This includes Bookshare, Instapaper, Dropbox, and plenty 
 more, all built into the app, and you can use third-party voices from the 
 likes of Ivona Neospeech, and others to read.
 * Dice World is a collection of six dice games, and is beyond accessible.
 * Lire is an RSS reader with tons of great features, and is so accessible the 
 developer has a section in the app's settings for VO users to decide what 
 information to hear when reviewing article lists.
 * Red Laser is a free bar code reader that works really well, once you get 
 the hang of it.
 * Downcast or Overcast are two nice apps for handling podcasts. I use 
 Downcast, but I've heard great things about Overcast as well.
 * Carrit Fit, Carrot Hunger, and Carrot Weather are all fun apps. Fit and 
 Hunger are for exercise and calorie tracking, respectively, and Weather is 
 (not surprisingly) a weather app. All three are fully accessible.
 
 Anyway, AppleVis has a lot more information, including an entire page of apps 
 we recommend for new iOS users.
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:36 PM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
 macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:
 
 hello group; just got an iPhone last week. have been very happy with it so 
 far. also got a bluetooth keyboard. i am wondering what apps people are 
 using for twitter and face book. I'm also wondering about your experience 
 with sirius on iPhone. finally are there any other apps you have used that 
 you would recommend for getting more use or enjoyment out of my iPhone? 
 thanks, max 
 
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RE: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

2015-04-18 Thread Juan Hernandez
Also, all, every one of us that gets one, will be helping the future users.  
Please, please provide feedback to apple.  The Apple Watch could be a great 
tool once the world figures out what things to truly do with it.

Best,

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:28 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

Actually, I felt pretty much the same way until I got a FitBit Flex a couple of 
months ago, and started tracking sleep, steps, calories, etc.  I like the Flex 
a lot, but there are some things the Apple watch does that the Flex doesn't, 
and they're things I'd like to have.  I see myself mostly using the watch for 
the health applications, and anything I can do with Siri.  As far as messaging 
and all that, it seems like it'll be much easier just to do that from the phone.
Cheers,
Donna
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 3:32 PM, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. 
 I just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I 
 keep my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my 
 neck. I don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO 
 and just don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make 
 that much difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do 
 understand it though.
 
 
 On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
 look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
 would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
 because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
 thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
 have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
 pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
 highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, 
 so didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to 
 its arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
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