Re: Sharing on Apple TV

[E.T.]

   An interesting idea but not quite what I was looking for.

   While I watched something on my ATV tonight, I loaded Ted and 
watched a talk. Then I looked for an option to share the talk. Must not 
be possible on the ATV. So signed into Ted on the computer and found the 
share and sent an email.


   Just a guess but this probably is how other online content can be 
shared. Time will tell.


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On 7/10/2016 7:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

I don't see why not.  My father uses my Apple ID on his Apple TV so that he has 
access to stream all the content I have available in iCloud.  He doesn't have 
access to purchase on the Apple TV, but has access to all my content.  Other 
things like Netflix etc, as long as you use the same login credentials, it 
should be fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 17:50, E.T.  wrote:

  Is it possible to share some of the content one plays on the ATV? What I mean 
by this is content that is viewed on an app such as Ted which has a share 
function. A friend and I are curious about this as we both watch documentaries. 
This would not be content one has to subscribe to.

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Re: Sharing on Apple TV

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't see why not.  My father uses my Apple ID on his Apple TV so that he has 
access to stream all the content I have available in iCloud.  He doesn't have 
access to purchase on the Apple TV, but has access to all my content.  Other 
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should be fine.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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  Is it possible to share some of the content one plays on the ATV? What I mean 
by this is content that is viewed on an app such as Ted which has a share 
function. A friend and I are curious about this as we both watch documentaries. 
This would not be content one has to subscribe to.

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Re: Mac security, encrypting, backing up, oh my!

[E.T.]

Traci and others,
   Finally took a look at these articles. I did not see any responses 
but here is what I see in this.


   What are the risks with encryption? Forget a password and you are 
dead in the water? I suppose those of us who can create braille hard 
copy should be safe. Or even a brf file kept on a braille display.


   With so many passwords, sometimes I am overwhelmed even with an app 
like 1Password.


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On 7/7/2016 1:52 PM, Traci Duncan wrote:

Here are some interesting articles about securing data on our Macs and
encrypting back ups & external drives.

5 Ways to Keep Your Mac's Data Safe and Secure - The Mac Observer
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/5-ways-to-keep-your-macs-data-safe-and-secure?utm_source=macobserver_medium=rss_campaign=rss_tips

OS X: Encrypting Time Machine Backups - The Mac Observer
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/os-x-encrypting-time-machine-backups

Does anyone follow any or all of the above tips?  Do you have additional
or alternative recommendations?  I find this stuff fascinating and
useful.  Maybe other Mac users will as well.

Enjoy,
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Re: Problems importing Feed into Readkit

[Grant]

Hi David,

I’ll admit, the screen that comes up when you initially open ReadKit is a bit 
confusing. It is asking you to add an account—any account, not necessarily 
Instapaper. You can fill in your Instapaper credentials, but there are also 
buttons in the dialog which allow you to select a different account type other 
than Instapaper. For example, your choices include Readability, Pocket, 
Inboard, and Feedly as well as others. Of course, you can add multiple accounts 
to ReadKit and every time you add a new account you get this same screen. One 
other choice is to enable ReadKit’s own built-in RSS engine, which you will 
need if you don’t plan to use any other type of account. You have to add at 
least one account, whether built-in RSS or a third-party one, in order for 
ReadKit to work properly. To add or delete accounts, you don’t use System 
Preferences. Instead, hit COMMAND-COMMA while ReadKit is open to access 
ReadKit’s preferences. Using standard VoiceOver commands, select the “accounts” 
tab in the window. Here you can see all the accounts you’ve added and remove 
any that you don’t want.

With all that said, are you syncing with a service like Feedly to access your 
subscriptions across multiple devices? If so, you need to import your OPML file 
via the website of the third-party account you are using. For example, with 
Feedly, visit http://feedly.com/i/discover and access the “import OPML” button 
at the very bottom of the page. You can only use ReadKit’s own “import” option 
if you’re using its local feed engine rather than a third-party account like 
Instapaper or ReadKit, and again, to use the local engine you have to enable it 
first by adding it as an account.

I know this sounds confusing, but I’m a pretty long-winded writer and wanted to 
provide all the detail I could. Once you get ReadKit set up the way you like it 
you should find it a dream to navigate and use.


Hope that helped,

Grant

> On Sunday July 10, 2016, at 10:26:45 AM, David Griffith 
>  wrote:
> 
> After hearing some good reports on Readkit RSS Reader on the Mac I installed 
> it but have fallen at the first hurdle.
> 
> No matter what I seem to do I cannot import my existing OPML feed from Vienna 
> as this option is dimmed in the file menu.
> 
> Looking on Google it seems that loads of people complain about this problem 
> but the solution does not seem clear.
> 
> The app insisted that I log in with my Instant Paper account when it first 
> opened which may be screwing things up but when I tried  to remove this 
> account from system preferences it refused to proceed.
> 
> Has anybody found a way to make this app usable with a standard OPML RSS Feed 
> import?
> 
> David Griffith
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Sharing on Apple TV

[E.T.]

   Is it possible to share some of the content one plays on the ATV? 
What I mean by this is content that is viewed on an app such as Ted 
which has a share function. A friend and I are curious about this as we 
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Matthew Dierckens]

If you are interested in subscribing to the apple beta discussion group you can 
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Hope to see you there.

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> On Jul 10, 2016, at 17:18, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> www.applevis.com  has great forums discussing the 
> public betas and VoiceOver.
> 
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the 
> small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly, 
> especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue being 
> at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all as iPhone 
> users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the Beta.  Public 
> 4 for example of the current train breaking call routing after it was fixed 
> in 3 and seeming better in the recent release of 5.  ETc.  Others have safari 
> rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.  Many on this list also 
> participate.  I think we have a unique group here with a lot of built in 
> skills that benefit from open discussion again of public things.  I’m on the 
> same page with you on the developer releases and they should remain under 
> wraps for many of the reasons you state as well as for Apple’s protection of 
> their intellectual property.  Once it’s n the wild and publicly available 
> though I think we have more to gain than lose by it’s discussion.  No matter 
> my thoughts though, It’s Mark and Kara’s list so I will of course honor their 
> wishes even though I strongly disagree with them.
> 
> You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case but 
> they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T. > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>> Scott,
>>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason 
>> for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new 
>> releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one is 
>> counter productive especially for those of us who are not participating in a 
>> beta program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating disclaimers 
>> that he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
>> 
>>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
>> 
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>> 
>> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
>>> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
>>> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
>>> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
>>> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
>>> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
>>> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
>>> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
>>> their list.
>>> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
>>> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
>>> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
>>> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
>>> channels.
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk 
 >> wrote:
 
 Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
 Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
 here, go ahead.
 
 Shawn
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 >
 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  
> >> wrote:
> 
> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
> 
> Public being the key word here.
> 
> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
> 

Re: iMac fusion Drive versus standard Drive

[Scott Granados]

Hi there,

First, this is  not true about fusion entirely.  Yes, a lot of people were let 
go from the team as a part of the Dell EMC merger if memory serves.  The 
product is still being developed and sold.  It’s also very good and I use it 
heavily and find it totally accessible.  So yes, I would spend the money if it 
were me.  Parallels is not an option do to accessibility issues and virtual box 
supposedly has a good command line interface and such but I haven’t used it 
personally.

As for the drive question, a Fusion drive is much faster than a rotating drive 
and an SSD drive is faster than a fusion.  Fusion uses An sad drive combined 
with a rotating drive.  The stuff frequently accessed lives on the SSD for fast 
recall and writing and the less frequently used code is stored on the rotating 
portion.  When you access the rotating portion it’s slower until it moves to 
the SSD and so forth.  A pure SSD drive stores everything in a near instantly 
available form using solid state circuits rather than 1960s rotating magnetic 
platter technology.  Fusion is a good choice, you’ll get a nic healthy boost in 
performance.

The stats I have read on SSD drives indicate they are 30 to 50 times faster 
than their rotating counterparts.  Fusion should over average use and time fall 
somewhere in-between the two.

Enjoy that new iMac, that’s a great platform.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> On Thursday I will be receiving my new iMac. It is the 2.8 processor with a 2 
> TB fusion Drive and 16 gigs of RAM. In line with this new Mac, I want 
> performance and speed over space, though I did choose a 2 TB drive because it 
> is The best of both worlds.
> My concern is fusion. VMware fusion. Last I heard, it will no longer be in 
> development anymore due to most of their staff being laid off. With this in 
> mind, keeping in mind the fact that I do plan on upgrading to macOS Sierra 
> when it comes out, is VMware fusion a viable solution after El Capitan? Also, 
> for those that have fusion drives, how do you like them? Is it better then 
> standard drive you get by default?
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: CAVI

[Erik Burggraaf]

Hello I took their Linux course and I was able to do it successfully with 
my Mac I hope this helps Eric


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wrote:



Hi:
I just found info about computer corses from CAVI. Has anyone ever taken 
any of these? Are they worth the money? Can they be taken with the Mac?

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Kevin Chao]

www.applevis.com has great forums discussing the public betas and VoiceOver.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 10:09 AM Scott Granados  wrote:

> I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the
> small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly,
> especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue
> being at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all
> as iPhone users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the
> Beta.  Public 4 for example of the current train breaking call routing
> after it was fixed in 3 and seeming better in the recent release of 5.
> ETc.  Others have safari rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.
> Many on this list also participate.  I think we have a unique group here
> with a lot of built in skills that benefit from open discussion again of
> public things.  I’m on the same page with you on the developer releases and
> they should remain under wraps for many of the reasons you state as well as
> for Apple’s protection of their intellectual property.  Once it’s n the
> wild and publicly available though I think we have more to gain than lose
> by it’s discussion.  No matter my thoughts though, It’s Mark and Kara’s
> list so I will of course honor their wishes even though I strongly disagree
> with them.
>
> You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case
> but they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02
>
>
>
> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>
> Scott,
>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason
> for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new
> releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one
> is counter productive especially for those of us who are not participating
> in a beta program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating
> disclaimers that he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
>
>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
> their list.
> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
> channels.
>
> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  >> wrote:
>
> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
> Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
> here, go ahead.
>
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com  >
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  >> wrote:
>
> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
>
> Public being the key word here.
>
> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  >> wrote:
>
> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the
> beta testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well
> as the public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public
> strictly in the sence that the public has access to it without
> paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is
> strictly forbidden.
>
>
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
>
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
> user!
>
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  >> wrote:
>
> Hi List folks,
>
> Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to
> the IOS 10 beta release.
>
> Does anyone know of 

Re: iMac fusion Drive versus standard Drive

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I cannot comment on VM-ware fusion per say as I don't use it myself.  But, I 
have heard quite a number of people,  both in this community, and the sighted 
community speak very highly of it.  Regarding a Fusion drive vs a regular 
spinning drive, you will notice a considerable performance difference.  All the 
System files and those which are access often, are normally placed on the SSD 
or Flash portion of the fusion array, giving you extremely fast access rates.  
When I created my personal Fusion drive both on my MacBook Pro and my home 
MacPro, the performance improvements were very noticeable.  I'd say to the 
factor of three to five times in some situations.  for example, from power up 
to the Login screen takes five to seven seconds with the new Fusion setup, 
whereas it took 30 to 40 seconds with just a spinning drive.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:12, Joshua Tubbs  wrote:

Hi everyone,
On Thursday I will be receiving my new iMac. It is the 2.8 processor with a 2 
TB fusion Drive and 16 gigs of RAM. In line with this new Mac, I want 
performance and speed over space, though I did choose a 2 TB drive because it 
is The best of both worlds.
My concern is fusion. VMware fusion. Last I heard, it will no longer be in 
development anymore due to most of their staff being laid off. With this in 
mind, keeping in mind the fact that I do plan on upgrading to macOS Sierra when 
it comes out, is VMware fusion a viable solution after El Capitan? Also, for 
those that have fusion drives, how do you like them? Is it better then standard 
drive you get by default?
Thanks.

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iMac fusion Drive versus standard Drive

[Joshua Tubbs]

Hi everyone,
On Thursday I will be receiving my new iMac. It is the 2.8 processor with a 2 
TB fusion Drive and 16 gigs of RAM. In line with this new Mac, I want 
performance and speed over space, though I did choose a 2 TB drive because it 
is The best of both worlds.
My concern is fusion. VMware fusion. Last I heard, it will no longer be in 
development anymore due to most of their staff being laid off. With this in 
mind, keeping in mind the fact that I do plan on upgrading to macOS Sierra when 
it comes out, is VMware fusion a viable solution after El Capitan? Also, for 
those that have fusion drives, how do you like them? Is it better then standard 
drive you get by default?
Thanks.

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Re: [macvisionaries] Re: Make icloud go away

[-]

The only choice there that seems to resemble what you suggest is logout. 
Going through that requires ultimately an icloud password which I never 
had and is not my apple password.  I cancel to get out.


Am i missing something?

Thanks.

On Sat, 9 Jul 2016, george basioli wrote:


Go to apple menu
Down to system prefferrences
In system preffs. Go to iCloud and open
In iCloud turn off iCloud competely

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Subject: [macvisionaries] Make icloud go away


My mac has started during bootup to ask me twice in a row for my icloud
passsword.  I choose cancel to continue.

I have tinkered in system preferences icloud with various settings to no
avail.

How can I make icloud go away?

I don't use it and have no intention nor interest to ever do so.

Thanks.
XB






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Problems importing Feed into Readkit

[David Griffith]

After hearing some good reports on Readkit RSS Reader on the Mac I installed it 
but have fallen at the first hurdle.

No matter what I seem to do I cannot import my existing OPML feed from Vienna 
as this option is dimmed in the file menu.

Looking on Google it seems that loads of people complain about this problem but 
the solution does not seem clear.

The app insisted that I log in with my Instant Paper account when it first 
opened which may be screwing things up but when I tried  to remove this account 
from system preferences it refused to proceed.

Has anybody found a way to make this app usable with a standard OPML RSS Feed 
import?

David Griffith

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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

I disagree, being that our needs are so under represented sometimes do the 
small size of our community I think it’s important to discuss openly, 
especially as concerned directly to Voice Over.  The call routing issue being 
at the top of the list for example since it directly impacts us all as iPhone 
users, unique to our needs and actively being addressed in the Beta.  Public 4 
for example of the current train breaking call routing after it was fixed in 3 
and seeming better in the recent release of 5.  ETc.  Others have safari 
rendering concerns, performance, and so forth.  Many on this list also 
participate.  I think we have a unique group here with a lot of built in skills 
that benefit from open discussion again of public things.  I’m on the same page 
with you on the developer releases and they should remain under wraps for many 
of the reasons you state as well as for Apple’s protection of their 
intellectual property.  Once it’s n the wild and publicly available though I 
think we have more to gain than lose by it’s discussion.  No matter my thoughts 
though, It’s Mark and Kara’s list so I will of course honor their wishes even 
though I strongly disagree with them.

You also have raised good points, I don’t think they apply in this case but 
they were as always well stated.  Just my $.02 
 


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:30 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good reason for 
> this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about new releases 
> Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like this one is counter 
> productive especially for those of us who are not participating in a beta 
> program. The ruling would also preclude some from stating disclaimers that 
> he/she will not openly discuss issues in beta software.
> 
>   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> 
> On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
>> and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
>> I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
>> far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
>> so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
>> and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
>> a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
>> selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
>> their list.
>> However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
>> an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
>> of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
>> please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
>> channels.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk >> >> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
>>> Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
>>> here, go ahead.
>>> 
>>> Shawn
>>> Sent From My White MacBook
>>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com  
>>> >
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados 
 >> wrote:
 
 Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
 
 Public being the key word here.
 
 Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  
> >> wrote:
> 
> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the
> beta testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well
> as the public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public
> strictly in the sence that the public has access to it without
> paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is
> strictly forbidden.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
> blind built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
> user!
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > 

Re: IOS 10 beta

[E.T.]

Scott,
   Not to play devil's advocate (why the devil..) but one very good 
reason for this ruling is to reduce anxiety and endless questions about 
new releases Discussing bugs in beta software on a mailing list like 
this one is counter productive especially for those of us who are not 
participating in a beta program. The ruling would also preclude some 
from stating disclaimers that he/she will not openly discuss issues in 
beta software.


   If there is a mailing list for beta testers, that is where to take it.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/10/2016 8:34 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark
and Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And
I’ve read and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is
far more restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it
so never participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime
and through the legal department at my employer that the public beta is
a different animal.  But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive
selves and stifle legal discussions that will benefit our community it’s
their list.
However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in
an open discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear
of retribution for their comments.  (public betas of software only
please, the developer closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and
channels.


On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk > wrote:

Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect.
Cara and Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from
here, go ahead.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 


On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.

Public being the key word here.

Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.


On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:

Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are
strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the
beta testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well
as the public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public
strictly in the sence that the public has access to it without
paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is
strictly forbidden.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV
user!


On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

Hi List folks,

Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to
the IOS 10 beta release.

Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new
features in IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.

The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off
after updating.

But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up
fingerprints in the touch sensor.

Cheers for any information.

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Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Tim Kilburn]

Simon,

I've messed with a number of 2011 and 2012 MBP's and in most cases, I've just 
removed the optical drive and slid the spinning HD over into its slot, put the 
new SSD in where the spinning used to be, then, using Terminal, made them into 
a Fusion drive.  As with the addition of any SSD, the performance has improved 
exponentially.  Personally, I so seldom need the optical drive, it just seemed 
better to create the Fusion array instead.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 10, 2016, at 02:53, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

And Arnold,
 
That machine your getting sounds like the late 2011 model.
 
I’ve currently got with me a early 2011 model with 8 gig ram and 320 gig hard 
drive,
 
I’m updating it for my neace and when I’m finished it will be a 2011 mac book 
pro with optical drive,
16 gig of DDR3  ram, and a 480 or 500 gig ssd.
And as I’ve found from a previous machine I updated will work like a mac book 
air
 
Plus give my nease another 4 years at least of usage.
 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
 
Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.
 
Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.
 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt > wrote:
 
I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.
 
Arnold Schmidt
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From: Scott Granados 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
 
Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.
 
You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.
 
Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.  
 
 
On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt > wrote:
 
It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions. 
 
Arnold Schmidt
 
Arnold Schmidt
 
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Re: Safari question

[Scott Granados]

Lol or Denzel Washington works in the Equalizer and beats up Russian bad guys 
with building supplies.

Good times, especially in IMAX.

I’m more of a Lowes man myself but the home Depot is a good place.  

Bringing this on topic they sell a lot of tech home goods now including the 
Nest line of devices and the August locks that work with the iPhone.  There’s a 
whole home tech section now, dangerous area to walk through though, your 
pockets end up lighter hanging out in that area to long. They also have a 
surprising amount of higher end network cable and outlets.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hell, even I knew what the home depot was / is, and I've never been there and 
> we don't have it as a company in NZ,
> But it's in books and movies all the time, where else does a criminal go to 
> get there paint and other things to disgize the car they stole.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 4:15 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari question
> 
> hi,
> 
> Very interesting.  Cool how we live in our own little worlds.  There's no way 
> in the world that I thought an American resident would not be familiar with 
> the Home Depot.  I guess that it's a matter of prospective and what circles 
> we involve ourselves in.  Oh well, I digress.  Regarding the Home Depot US 
> site, you are totally correct in that it does seem to hang Safari once the 
> search results are attempting to be displayed.  The Home Depot Canadian 
> version is a little slow to load, but does work and is usable, but the US 
> version seems to hang indefinitely.  The two things that I'd suggest would be 
> first to try searching in Google instead.  That is, for example, if you were 
> looking for a freezer, type "freezer home depot" in your Google search field 
> and see if going in the back way makes a difference.  the second would be to 
> use the Home Depot app as previously suggested, if you do indeed have an iOS 
> device to do this on.  Otherwise, a call to the Home Depot web support people 
> may be in order.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 03:26, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> What type things are you searching for?  Given that I've never ever heard of 
> this site, it would be useful to know what type things to search for 
> specifically.
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Jim Gatteys" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:36 AM
> Subject: Safari question
> 
> 
> Hi all!
> I am still running Yosemite and I've noticed that when I go to one web site 
> in particular safari is really slow.
> It is the homedepot web site,
> http://www.homedepot.com
> There is a search box there that says what can we help you find and when I 
> enter text there it takes forever to do anything after that.  I just wondered 
> if somebody might go there and try to search for something to see if they get 
> the same results.  I might be forced to upgrade to El Capitan.
> :)
> 
> I've tried using google chrome and it works pretty well but I don't seem to 
> be able to do option-tab to go to the search field.  Maybe there is a setting 
> I need to take a look at.
> Thanks for any help.
> Jim
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Re: IOS 10 beta

[Scott Granados]

Sorry, I’ll believe the lawyers from Morrison and Foerster before Mark and 
Kara.:)  Public means public meaning no presumption of privacy.  And I’ve read 
and had evaluated both agreements, the Developer version is far more 
restrictive and I was specifically advised against signing it so never 
participated in that program.  I’m advised both on my own dime and through the 
legal department at my employer that the public beta is a different animal.  
But if the moderators wish to be their restrictive selves and stifle legal 
discussions that will benefit our community it’s their list.
However, I have no such prohibition on my lists so anyone interested in an open 
discussion about beta software may migrate there with out fear of retribution 
for their comments.  (public betas of software only please, the developer 
closed stuff needs to stay in approved forums and channels.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:59 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
> 
> Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect. Cara and 
> Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from here, go ahead.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.
>> 
>> Public being the key word here.
>> 
>> Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are 
>>> strictly forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta 
>>> testing of IOS10.  This pertains both to developer beta as well as the 
>>> public beta.  Bear in mind that the public beta is public strictly in the 
>>> sence that the public has access to it without paying a developer fee:  
>>> but, open discussion of findings is strictly forbidden.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty > wrote:
 
 Hi List folks,
  
 Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 
 10 beta release.
  
 Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in 
 IOS 10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
  
 The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after 
 updating.
  
 But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in 
 the touch sensor.
  
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

If you buy a new air it will have the latest chipset as well.  I think you’ll 
be in good shape.

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:51 AM, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> well i know the pro has a stronger processor but i've gotten away with 4 gb 
> ram for a long time now. so am thinking air it is, Max
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Max
>> 
>> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine,
>> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which 
>> there is only one model of.
>> 
>> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in 
>> the pros now are ssd
>> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 
>> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram 
>> and 1TB SSD
>> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing 
>> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
>> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
>> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
>> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
>> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
>> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
>> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
>> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the
>>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than 
>>> the iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great 
>>> for quad speakers.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> 
 I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
 inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
 
 I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  
 Did I miss something obvious?
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 Training Instructor.
 
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 Phone: (704) 256-8010.
 - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries"
 
 To: 
 Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
 Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
 
 
 Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother.
 He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that
 with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about
 everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad
 pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

This is one area I have issues with apple.  Especially in the pro line I wish 
they would support more than 16GB.  As someone who likes to spin up a lot of 
VSRX instances,  it would be nice to have lots of extra memory.

Sure, I could get a Mac Pro and slap in a pile of cores and ram but I suspect 
I’m not throwing that in my work bag.:)

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:26 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Max 
> 
> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine,
> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which 
> there is only one model of.
> 
> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in 
> the pros now are ssd 
> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 
> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram 
> and 1TB SSD 
> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing 
> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the 
>> iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for 
>> quad speakers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
>>> ---
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>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>> 
>>> clgillan...@gmail.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - From: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 9:57 PM
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
>>> 
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

[Scott Granados]

Tim, totally get it.  In the days of CRT tubes I used to leave mine off to keep 
the ringing from my ears.  That’s before I blew out my hearing so now it 
doesn’t matter, ring away.  People would freak out though, I totally get your 
example.:)

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:57 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You are totally correct Scott with respect to blind users and the use case.  
> For the most part, the comment about blind users requiring a nice screen was 
> meant as a funny, but I can see where it may have fallen flat.  Myself, I 
> also work with sighted people all the time, and, for work, have my souped up 
> 2011 15" MBP, a couple iMacs, some MacPros and some rather old iMacs as well 
> just for fun.  I often dim the screen in meetings and forget to turn it back 
> up for others when they wish to see what's on my screen.  I just tell them 
> that I can see it just fine like that, what's their problem :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 18:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Well this blind user requires a better graphics processor because rendering 
> network diagrams is faster as well as the operating of other visually intense 
> applications.  Also, this blind user works with sited coworkers who need to 
> look over his shoulder.  So there are some applications where a blind person 
> who you might not think has any need for a screen does.  Maybe not for direct 
> use but there can be other benefits.
> 
> It’s all about the use cases I guess.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Actually, if purchasing new, you won't find a MacBook Pro with built-in DVD 
>> drive anymore.  When it comes to a decision between the Pro or the Air, you 
>> need to look at what you want from your computer and how much you're willing 
>> to spend.  the Pros have better processors, better displays, usually can 
>> accept more RAM and are simply meant for more powerful work.  Of course, 
>> with all this, comes a higher ticket price, and, why does a blind user 
>> require a better display?  the Air is a good machine, meant more for the 
>> everyday user.  It can still do most things that most people would be doing, 
>> and actually do it well if you don't take the least expensive model.  The 
>> iPad Pro is a very nice machine, and iOS is likely the way things are moving 
>> towards in the future, but it will be a while before they become one.  You 
>> can do most everything on an iOS device excepting enterprise tasks, so 
>> that's an option as well.  the keyboard access with VO on an iDevice is 
>> there, but no where near what can be done on a laptop or Desktop unit.
>> 
>> So, if you're preferring the MacBook Pro/Air to the iPad, and you're not a 
>> power user nor managing enterprise architecture, then  the MacBook Air will 
>> do just fine.  Don't cheap out on specs though, make sure to get at least 8 
>> GB of RAM, at least a 500 GB SSD and upgrade your processor.  This will make 
>> sure that it lasts you a good long time and maintains its usefulness.
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 09:32, 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go 
>> all in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with 
>> a mac book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but 
>> without the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it 
>> would be so much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or 
>> portable dvd player instead. what do you think? Max 
>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>>> 
>>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around 
>>> 
>>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du tol no I 
>>> wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to requiring both mac 
>>> os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending and 
>>> receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still think 
>>> though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case with 
>>> keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 1:58 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. He was 
>>> going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that with the 

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

So at my employer we have a unix front end which is what we used to work with a 
domain controller that was managed by another team.  I did not however set it 
up but if there is any interest I can get a copy of the confluence articles we 
have documenting the processes and tools.


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> LDAP tools isn't really going to help though in a domain environment, We have 
> Active directory for domain based authentication but in other situations our 
> LDAP authentication is through an Oracle based system.
> 
> The unix or linux based services aren't really goiog to help in these 
> situation.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
> Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
> able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
> stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
> domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
> etc.
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Sandy mark and others,
>> 
>> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
>> 
>> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
>> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
>> 
>> But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os 
>> vms which you can't do on a windows machine,  The mac os and voiceover allow 
>> for the same usage of the touch pad on a notebook such as my mac book air to 
>> be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
>> 
>> What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
>> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
>> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
>> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
>> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
>> 
>> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
>> 
>> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
>> domain inferstructure?
>> 
>> Cheers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin 
>> Kruse
>> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>> 
>> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out 
>> what do people need, and take it from there.
>> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
>> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
>> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write 
>> write. it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid 
>> questions are the once not asked.
>> Sandi
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> Hello Arnold,
>>> 
>>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my 
>>> Mac journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some 
>>> time, I found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, 
>>> extremely frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with 
>>> Jaws for Windows.
>>> 
>>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out 
>>> of frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>>> exploration, itself.
>>> 
>>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>>> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
>>> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
>>> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>>> 
>>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft 
>>> talking heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they 
>>> pulled the feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write 
>>> this, reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially 
>>> boil.

Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Scott Granados]

One time use buddy.:)


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 4:57 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah scott, but paper plates get wet when you wash them.
>  
> Lol.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:13 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Cheap solution to this whole problem… Paper plates.
>  
> Paper plates are the best or really plastic laminated paper plates.:)
>  
> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Andy  > wrote:
>  
> Hi Simon.
>  
> I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
> cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
> me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, 
> just to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Andy,
>  
> Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Andy
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi Arnold.
>  
> I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
> I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
> the way I like it!
>  
> I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
> every new experience and see this learning experience as an important 
> milestone in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it 
> aint!
>  
>  
> I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member 
> of this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm 
> a happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
> importantly, I'll enjoy it!
>  
> Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
> different!
>  
> Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.
>  
> Very best wishes.
> Andy.
>  
>  
> - Original Message - 
> From: Katie Zodrow 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi Arnold.
> That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
> continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
> won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
> Katie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt  > wrote:
> 
> Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I 
> am checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back 
> the end of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon Fogarty 
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
> Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
>  
> Hi arnld,
> Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
> That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple os.
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
> one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. 
> My information that I would like you to have been say is below in my 
> signature. I had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I 
> will say this, I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't 
> work with Jaws with my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold 
> this is for anybody who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews 
> my information in my signature as well as you wish.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> 

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

Simon, what attracts you to the boot camp solution?  I’m interested you seem to 
prefer this.  I am a VM fan but wonder what advantages you’re finding running 
windows separately.  I would have thought having both available at the same 
time would be preferable.  Give me your take on things, very interested.

Thank you

> On Jul 10, 2016, at 12:15 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Arnold,
>  
> I work with both windows and mac systems / machines,
>  
> I do a lot of work both at home and work with active directory and exchange 
> servers so I prefer to use windows for exchange and windows active directory 
> admin tools for AD. The AD tools is not something that at this point can be 
> done from a mac or at least that we have found.
>  
> I also find that speed for me in windows is  still greater due to years more 
> of use so I still fall back to that for comfort.
>  
>  
> I play more of my media on the mac as it’s better setup for media both 
> playing and production.
> But being able to have both systems in one machine is an excellent choice, I 
> can flick between OS’s within 20 seconds
>  
> But mainly it’s comfort and a lack of knowledge and then the power tools that 
> make me use the windows machine.
> Hope that helps
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon f
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  ] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling 
> Mac users: Please read
>  
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you 
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now 
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply 
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user 
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something doesn't 
> work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more experienced 
> users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available to me on the 
> Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works, and it sounds 
> as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a word processing 
> app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I will use KNFB 
> reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?  Thanks for any 
> opinions.
>  
> Arnold Schmidt
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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Scott Granados]

There are also packages from Microsoft that can do the translations.  In our 
case I believe we worked closely with MS so didn’t use any of the open source 
solutions.  All I know is the process cored all the time and we had to 
constantly restart things.  So bad www eventually just scripted a process to 
look for the core file in the directory and automatically send an alert and 
restart the service.

Ugly stuff!


> On Jul 10, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Brent Harding  wrote:
> 
> I could only imagine the Skype to sip being a real headache. From Howtos on 
> sites like Nerd Vittles, it looks like there would be sighted assistance 
> needed to set one up because we couldn't get remote Orca speech to deal with 
> the Skype client side of it all if you were to host this in the cloud. . I 
> think it involved some shim that hooked into the now gone Skype api and 
> routed the audio part through virtual sound devices so something like 
> Asterisk could send and receive to it. The other option would probably be to 
> use USB to RJ11 adapters similar to the Magicjack dongle and use the bridge 
> to Skype for the rest, bringing the audio side in as an analog phone line. I 
> don't know how multiple simultaneous calls would be handled, unless several 
> Skype clients would need to run as different users on the system with 
> separate virtual or other audio devices for each. I remember at one time 
> hearing of a Skype connect thing just for this purpose, but they yanked it. I 
> used to love Skype when it was simple before MS bought them, but now it's too 
> bloated with stuff most would never use just to call or chat.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Scott Granados" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read
> 
> 
> Don’t blame you, don’t like the non standard stuff either.  Not a huge 
> FaceTime user for the same reason.  Likes my protocols open.:)
> 
> I had to manage some Skype to SIP gateways and it was unpleasant.
> 
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 4:14 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> No Skype.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
>>> with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
>>> services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work full 
 time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m OK on 
 the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to improve and 
 be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help me with my 
 Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather messy and gave 
 me a lesson to remember.
 
 So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.
 
 Kawal.
> On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the 
> days of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.
> 
> I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
> story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few. I'd 
> say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 30 
> minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.
> 
> So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
> telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, 
> or Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on the 
> basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has used 
> Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to charge 
> for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do this for 
> you all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all lecture based.  
> I would make them very interactive.  This means, though I might have a 
> small portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of the hour would be 
> helping you all better understand Voiceover, and your new mac system.  
> Over time, the coriculum would be:
> 
> Deciding which mac is right for you
> The differences in keyboard layouts
> Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
> Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys

Looking for Slack feedback from voiceover users on OSX and IOS

[Michael Babcock]

Hey all!
I’m posting this message because I’ve recently began using the platform called 
Slack for my team communication needs.
It’s not the most accessible, e.g. Focus jumps around the place at times, and 
things could be designed better. That being said however, the platform can be 
used and it wouldn’t take much to make it more accessible.
A few things from you,
I contacted slack and they gave me positive feedback and state they have a team 
working on accessibility for future releases of the platform.
Both on twitter and via email, they seem to be positive about wanting to 
improve accessibility.
So if you click the link below, I’ll send you the email, shhh, I’m waiting for 
permission to just post its publicly…  But more importantly, you can then ask 
for access to the channel.
https://app.convertkit.com/landing_pages/74668 

I’m sure someone will post the email, so if you just want access to the channel 
shoot me a message at:
mich...@yourownpay.com 
And I’ll get you in. It’s my hopes we all can share knowledge with the slack 
team from different points of views.
NOTE, you will only get info about slack.
They have versions for the following platforms:
Windows, Mac, Linux (Beta), IOS, android, and windows phones. You can also 
interact with the service using a web browser. 
https://slack.com/downloads 
It’s free for most users.

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Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Brent Harding]

I could only imagine the Skype to sip being a real headache. From Howtos on 
sites like Nerd Vittles, it looks like there would be sighted assistance 
needed to set one up because we couldn't get remote Orca speech to deal with 
the Skype client side of it all if you were to host this in the cloud. . I 
think it involved some shim that hooked into the now gone Skype api and 
routed the audio part through virtual sound devices so something like 
Asterisk could send and receive to it. The other option would probably be to 
use USB to RJ11 adapters similar to the Magicjack dongle and use the bridge 
to Skype for the rest, bringing the audio side in as an analog phone line. I 
don't know how multiple simultaneous calls would be handled, unless several 
Skype clients would need to run as different users on the system with 
separate virtual or other audio devices for each. I remember at one time 
hearing of a Skype connect thing just for this purpose, but they yanked it. 
I used to love Skype when it was simple before MS bought them, but now it's 
too bloated with stuff most would never use just to call or chat.


- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Granados" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read


Don’t blame you, don’t like the non standard stuff either.  Not a huge 
FaceTime user for the same reason.  Likes my protocols open.:)


I had to manage some Skype to SIP gateways and it was unpleasant.


On Jul 8, 2016, at 4:14 PM, John JD Denning  
wrote:


No Skype.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 8, 2016, at 16:04, Joseph Hudson  wrote:

Do you have Skype call? And when ever is good for you I will try to work 
with my schedule to make things work. Before anybody asks or you ask my 
services are free unless I have to come there to assist you.

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com


On Jul 8, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

I wish I could take this offer up Chris but I live in the UK and work 
full time, 5 days a week!  What a shame, it would have been ideal as I’m 
OK on the Mac but would love a one-to-one with someone as I need to 
improve and be more independent.  The last time someone  offered to help 
me with my Mac, the person made it his business to make my life rather 
messy and gave me a lesson to remember.


So I wish everyone luck who takes up this offer.

Kawal.
On 8 Jul 2016, at 13:02, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I have been using a mac now for just over 10 years.  I started in the 
days of mac OSX 10.4.1 Tiger with a Power Mac G4 Quick Silver.


I am at the point now where I could not function without my mac, end of 
story!  There are a few things on Windows I still do, but very few. 
I'd say out of an 8 hour work day, I'm probably only in Windows maybe 
30 minutes to an hour out of that timeframe.


So, here is what I am thinking.  For those who live in the US, or have 
telephone calling to the states, how interested would people like Andy, 
or Arnald etc. be with me coordinating and teaching a 1 hour class on 
the basics of the mac OS from the standpoint of someone blind who has 
used Windows all their life?  Make it very clear that I do not plan to 
charge for this class.  I would very gladly vollenteer my time to do 
this for you all in a group setting.  The classes would not be all 
lecture based.  I would make them very interactive.  This means, though 
I might have a small portion of the class devoted to lecture, 95% of 
the hour would be helping you all better understand Voiceover, and your 
new mac system.  Over time, the coriculum would be:


Deciding which mac is right for you
The differences in keyboard layouts
Identifying the FN, CTRL, Option, and command keys
Discussing the Voiceover modifier keys
Turning on your mac for the very first time ever
Turning on Voiceover with no sighted help
Basic VO keyboard navigation
Basic VO trackpad navigation
Why trackpad gestures over keyboard navigation
Completing the first time setup assistant
Creating an Apple ID/ICloud ID, and why
The basics of Quick Nav
Accessing and navigating menu bars
Accessing and navigating menu extras, and what they are
Connecting to a wifi network
Configuring Finder view options to your liking
Accessing right click context menus
Navigating the dock, and what is it
Switching between opened applications
The Running applications window
Switching between opened windows within an application
The Window chooser
System Preferences, and useful configurations
The Finder, and basic navigation
Opening files/folders
Explaining concepts of volumes vs. drives
The Finder sidebar
The finder browser
Icon, 

Re: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling Mac users: Please read

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi.
First to Tim and others, eloquence is faster than fred, no matter how
you slides it. If you need to read long documents. that is the way to
go, but as other says, each to their own, but at least with some of
the documents i read right now , eloquence does a good job of it,
where fred is more weird sounding.
If you are in a study group, or under education, you use what the rest
of the school uses. Im lucky though i can enter the medical data from
my mac into our system, so that is a good thing.
Scot I'm not totally blind, and i have made some special apps for my
iPhone so i can see different things with them, when i interact with
the patients.
I was abused as a girl-child, was taken away to live with my sister
who is a psychiatrist, in my mind there has never been a doubt what i
wanted to be.
Last but not least i will once again say this, if you have a mac, and
need help, speak up, i may not say much , but i can find documents
really fast so all you have to do is read it your self,


Sandi

On 7/9/16, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> Hi Arnold,
>
> I work with both windows and mac systems / machines,
>
> I do a lot of work both at home and work with active directory and exchange
> servers so I prefer to use windows for exchange and windows active directory
> admin tools for AD. The AD tools is not something that at this point can be
> done from a mac or at least that we have found.
>
> I also find that speed for me in windows is  still greater due to years more
> of use so I still fall back to that for comfort.
>
>
> I play more of my media on the mac as it’s better setup for media both
> playing and production.
> But being able to have both systems in one machine is an excellent choice, I
> can flick between OS’s within 20 seconds
>
> But mainly it’s comfort and a lack of knowledge and then the power tools
> that make me use the windows machine.
> Hope that helps
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Simon f
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Windows For An Hour A Day, was Re: For new, or majorly struggling
> Mac users: Please read
>
> Your original message brings up an interesting point, in that you said you
> might spend half hour, , to an hour in windows.  Being that I have now
> ordered my Mac mini, I am not going back this time, what type things simply
> work better in windows than on the mac?  Oftentimes, it is that the user
> simply does not know how to do something well when they say something
> doesn't work as well, so I am more interested in the answer from the more
> experienced users.  I know, for example, that Openbook will not be available
> to me on the Mac, I don't know how well DocuScan, from System Access works,
> and it sounds as if scanning and reading, by importing everything into a
> word processing app is about more trouble than it is worth.  No problem, I
> will use KNFB reader on my iPhone.  But what else does windows do better?
> Thanks for any opinions.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
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RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

LDAP tools isn't really going to help though in a domain environment, We have 
Active directory for domain based authentication but in other situations our 
LDAP authentication is through an Oracle based system.

 The unix or linux based services aren't really goiog to help in these 
situation.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Simon, you want to look towards the unix tools for this type of thing.  the 
Open LDAP stuff along with SMB4 aught to be able to help here.  Aught to be 
able to edit LDAP Schema that way with the Open LDAP browser etc.  I try to 
stay away from this windows stuff but I’ve seen a lot recently for complete 
domain controller replacements with Linux and interaction with the databases 
etc.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 6:59 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Sandy mark and others,
> 
> Yeah the mac is great for being able to run a bootcamp or dual boot system.
> 
> As a power user of the windows environment I need to have it with me where 
> ever I go, at least that is my reason for always having my notebook with me.
> 
>  But apple also now allow you through or with vm fusion to run mac os 
> vms which you can't do on a windows machine,  The mac os and voiceover allow 
> for the same usage of the touch pad on a notebook such as my mac book air to 
> be used like I use my iPhone touch screan.
> 
>  What I am currently looking for though is an app for my mac book air on the 
> mac OSX side that will allow me to interact with an active directory domain 
> inferstructure  doing such things as group creation adding and  removing 
> users setting up and changing computers and possibly some work with Group 
> policies in some OU's for the organisation.
> 
> But at this point I appear to be pushing things a bit.
> 
> Does anyone know of any OSX apps that will allow this kind of access to a 
> domain inferstructure?
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sandi Jazmin 
> Kruse
> Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
> 
> hi, Mark, beautifully put. Joseph. my idea is make an evening , find out what 
> do people need, and take it from there.
> As Mark says though having both windows and mac is not a bad idea, i use 
> windows for scanning and reading if i need to read fast.
> For all of you who have a mac and have problems with them, write write write. 
> it is what the list is made for, and remember , the only stupid questions are 
> the once not asked.
> Sandi
> 
> On 7/7/16, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> Hello Arnold,
>> 
>> Like so many others, I have been following this thread.  Why?  
>> Because, you remind me a great deal of myself, at the outset of my 
>> Mac journey.  This is to say, even after owning an iPhone for some 
>> time, I found that learning how to use a Mac, via VoiceOver, 
>> extremely frustrating, at first--especially given my then expertise with 
>> Jaws for Windows.
>> 
>> There are many reasons why people explore new paths.  For some, they 
>> merely wish to broaden their horizons, for others, it is to prove to 
>> themselves that they can do it.  Still others explore new paths out 
>> of frustration with the status quo.  My point is that, why, one does 
>> something can, in many instances directly affect the outcome of the 
>> exploration, itself.
>> 
>> In my case, I was fervently motivated to learn how to use a Mac 
>> because I was completely disgusted with Microsoft after discovering 
>> that they deliberately removed the self-voicing installation feature 
>> that shipped with the first beta release of Windows 7.  I had a copy 
>> of that particular beta which, via Narrator, offered a flawlessly 
>> comprehensive installation experience for a totally blind user.  It 
>> never crossed my mind that they would pull that feature in subsequent 
>> beta releases which, as it turned out, they did.
>> 
>> I can still remember the rage I felt when one of the Microsoft 
>> talking heads, up in Redland, told me, via telephone, that they 
>> pulled the feature as a result of security concerns.  Even as I write 
>> this, reliving the experience in my mind, my blood begins to proverbially 
>> boil.
>> 
>> But I digress.
>> 
>> My point is that after that phone call, I went directly to my local 
>> Mac store and purchased my first MacBook Pro.  As you can imagine, my 
>> primary motivation for learning the Mac was because I was sick and 
>> tired of Microsoft restricting installation access to its blind and 
>> low vision users--especially given that they had proven that it could 
>> be done and that it could be done well.
>> 
>> Having said all of this, let me add 

RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah scott, but paper plates get wet when you wash them.

Lol.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 1:13 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Cheap solution to this whole problem… Paper plates.

Paper plates are the best or really plastic laminated paper plates.:)

On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Andy 
> wrote:

Hi Simon.

I find your generosity astonishing my friend.  Do you not think it would be 
cheeper getting a house-cleaner rather than spend all that lovely cash flying 
me over and ofcourse accomodating me in a five star hotel, from Scotland, just 
to wash your dishes.  This must be the height of lazyness!


- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:34 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Andy,

Could you come and clean my dishs for me when you’ve finished your’s?

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Andy
Sent: Friday, 8 July 2016 7:57 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.

I purchased my beutiful 27 inch Imac about 5 weeks ago now and guess what?
I've learned nothing apart from a few basic commands, but guess what?  That's 
the way I like it!

I'm going to slow right down and think, rather than act and enjoy each and 
every new experience and see this learning experience as an important milestone 
in my life, rather than a very difficult task, which I suppose, it aint!


I'm in absolutely no hurry and as long as I've got my book and I'm a member of 
this list and I hold onto my windows for email for the meantime, then I'm a 
happy chappy, because, slowly but surely, I'll learn this new OS but 
importantly, I'll enjoy it!

Now I'm off to wash the evening dishes and that's something completely 
different!

Glad to hear you are going to stick with it my friend.

Very best wishes.
Andy.


- Original Message -
From: Katie Zodrow
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi Arnold.
That's great! I'm glad you're looking into getting a used Mac. Then you can 
continue  learning the OS some more on your days off work and you probably 
won't be as rushed trying to learn everything.
Katie
Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
Quite literally, my time was up.  As you will read in some other messages, I am 
checking into some used equipment.  Consider my taking the new one back the end 
of the chapter, not necessarily the end of the story.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Simon Fogarty
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 6:50 AM
Subject: RE: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back

Hi arnld,
Just wondering why you didn’t keep it and put windows on it in bootcamp?
That would  give you vboth platforms and you can keep learnig on the apple os.
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
Sent: Thursday, 7 July 2016 8:37 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: My Time Ran Out, I Took It Back
Arnold, if you ever get another one I would like to offer you some free 
one-on-one support with assisting you with your Mac in your tough struggles. My 
information that I would like you to have been say is below in my signature. I 
had my Mac from most two years and I don't regret getting it. I will say this, 
I can probably work a few more websites now that I couldn't work with Jaws with 
my Mac or my iPho and this message is not just for Arnold this is for anybody 
who has trouble with the Mac still free to use interviews my information in my 
signature as well as you wish.
Joseph Hudson
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On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:50 AM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:
I wand to thank everyone for the help I have received over the past two weeks, 
concerning my Mac Mini.  However, I ended up taking it back after all 
yesterday, which was my last day to return it.
To attempt to make a 

RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

And Arnold,

That machine your getting sounds like the late 2011 model.

I’ve currently got with me a early 2011 model with 8 gig ram and 320 gig hard 
drive,

I’m updating it for my neace and when I’m finished it will be a 2011 mac book 
pro with optical drive,
16 gig of DDR3  ram, and a 480 or 500 gig ssd.
And as I’ve found from a previous machine I updated will work like a mac book 
air

Plus give my nease another 4 years at least of usage.


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Hey Arnold, very good, just remember, that rotating drive will start to slow 
over time and also is the most likely thing to fail in the box.  So as always, 
keep good backups in case you need to reformat to boost up that speed again.  
If you can swing it go SSD sooner than later.  That’s even a bigger deal than 
memory to me because of the massive boost in performance from rotating disks to 
all solid state.

Let us know if you need any help on that Mac.  I like your move here buying a 
computer that doesn’t break the bank to get started with and no pressure or 
time constraints.  I think you’re making a good move.

On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:39 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:

I did order it, and it allegedly will be here in the next couple weeks, if not 
before.  The things in the following message are way beyond me at the moment.  
I will probably upgrade the memory first, then put in a 1 tb hard drive when 
the 500 gig one gets full, or quits.  Keep in mind  that this vista computer, 
from 2008, still has about 180 gig free on its 500 gig hard drive.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message -
From: Scott Granados
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Arnold, this sounds like a screening deal.  I’d go for it, excellent choice.

You should swap out that drive though, you’ll have a Mac that performs much 
more like a later model and you’ll be happier.  If money is really tight you 
could do something like a 128 GB SSD for $100 or so maybe even less by now and 
then just put your near line data on an older style rotating model with your 
high demand stuff and program files on the SSD.  In fact, not to throw to much 
at you but you could just by a case for $25 or so, pull that 500GB drive, slap 
it in the case, insert a smaller sized or larger depending on funds SSD in the 
Mini and connect the 500 as a removable.  Or I believe there’s a  second bay if 
you want to have both internal.

Sounds like a good deal though.  Put 32GB of memory in there and you’ve got a 
powerhouse that will last you a good long time as well as make it fun to learn 
on for small dollars.


On Jul 7, 2016, at 12:51 PM, Arnold Schmidt 
> wrote:

It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but only 4 gig of 
ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  They want about 
$430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.

Arnold Schmidt

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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

['Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries]

well i know the pro has a stronger processor but i've gotten away with 4 gb ram 
for a long time now. so am thinking air it is, Max 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:26 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Max 
> 
> The 13 inch mac book air with 8 gig ram and 512 gig ssd is a great machine,
> No mac pros now have the optical drive unless you get the older model which 
> there is only one model of.
> 
> The standard is a retina screan so higher resolution and the harddrives in 
> the pros now are ssd 
> So although the air can do what the pro does, the air only currently goes to 
> 8gig ram, and 512 gb ssd, the 13 inch retina can give you up to 16 GIG ram 
> and 1TB SSD 
> But if your not doing anything like major multimedia productions or editing 
> then you shouldbe able to get away with the air up speced.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:43 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> my brother just got an iPad pro and is really impressed with the processing 
> speed and quality of the sound. I don't need a larger screen obviously. but 
> sometimes I need to display images or video so someone can help me sort them 
> for use on my website. that is why I'm settled on a 13 inch screen or there 
> abouts. thinking of a mac book pro and just dropping the cd rom to lose a 
> little of the weight. another thing i'm sure of is this time I'm maxing out 
> the ram and going with a SSD or compact flash hard drive. thanks, max On Jul 
> 9, 2016, at 4:41 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> The ipad pros come in a 12.? Inch and 9.7 inch models Apart from the 
>> faster processor in the pros, I don't really see a lot more to them than the 
>> iPad air2  except may be sound but even then I thought it wasn't great for 
>> quad speakers.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 2:15 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> sorry just assumed the air came in a 13 or close to that. what is the max 
>> hard drive for the iPad pro? does it assume the user will keep a lot of 
>> stuff on their cloud drive? thanks, max On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:59 PM, 
>> Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> 
>>> I'd definitely go with the Macbook Pro, but all that said, I have the 12 
>>> inch IPad Pro 128 GB and I freaking swear by the thing!
>>> 
>>> I've never heard of an Air let alone any IPad model that is a 13 inch.  Did 
>>> I miss something obvious?
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>>> To: 
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>>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
>>> book air, or iPad pro? Thanks, Max
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Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?

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that's exactly what i was hoping, 
On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Simon Fogarty wrote:

> Max,
> 
> I have the mac book air,
> I had a custom build,  of the 11 inch with up speed processor, ram and hard 
> drive.
> 
> I am concidering a mac book pro next but that is due to neding some windows 
> and server based vm's so a bit more power and performance 
> 
> Other than that the mac book iar is great and I use it all the time.
> 
> Why pay more when you can gt the same thing for a lot less.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 3:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
> 
> I think I'm still wanting a full computer and not a tablet. Maybe I'll go all 
> in and get a mac book and a 9 inch iPad. but assuming I am staying with a mac 
> book do i want a mac book pro or a mac book air? I'm thinking pro but without 
> the dvd cd rom. I mean I hardly ever need one, and when I do; it would be so 
> much more convenient to just carry a little external drive or portable dvd 
> player instead. what do you think? Max On Jul 9, 2016, at 4:38 AM, Simon 
> Fogarty wrote:
> 
>> Yes I've used the 12 and 9.7 inch iPad pros.
>> The 12 inch is to large and chunkie for my liking.
>> 
>> The 9.7 is a nicer size but heavier than I'd like to carry around
>> 
>> It's got everything you need plus the app store for things you don't.
>> Still no I wouldn't get one but that's a personal preference du to 
>> requiring both mac os and windows for working on enterprise systems 
>> But if all your doing is surfing the web, writing documents or sending 
>> and receiving emails etc then hey the iPad is a good option, I still 
>> think though you might want to look at the iPad air2 and a folio case 
>> with keyboard which will halve the cost of he iPad pro and keyboard,
>> 
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>> Subject: mac book pro, mac book air, or iPad pro?
>> 
>> Was decided on a mac book air 13 inch until talking with my brother. 
>> He was going on and on abut the new iPad pro 13 inch. He said that 
>> with the blue tooth keyboard it comes with it can do just about 
>> everything you need. Have any of you had your hands on the new iPad 
>> pro? If you could only pick one would you go with a mac book pro, mac 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

 Scott, that panel is only on the 27 inch iMacs  the 21 inch is as you say 
totally closed unit unless your crazy enough to take the screan off to get 
intot he guts of it and change the spindal harddrive.



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:02 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Apple doesn’t want you to upgrade at all.  For most products now once you buy 
it your stuck with what you got.  As Simon mentioned there may be an access 
panel on the iMac but for the most part everything is hard soldered to the 
board.

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
 only 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty 
 for me.  They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any 
 opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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RE: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah like the pentalobe driver you need for the mac book bases.

 I got mine with a screw driver set and so far it's worked fine.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, 10 July 2016 12:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini

Simon, I think it’s even worse now.  I believe in many cases they have replaced 
the screws with hex nuts and or special proprietary fasteners so you need to 
buy the $400 Apple tool to crack the box open.  (or a $17 chinese knockoff tool 
like I bought heh)

Stuff is so packed inside the Apple laptops and iMac, you’re so right there.  I 
had to have a girl with really small hands pop in the memory module because my 
fat fingers couldn’t make it work.


> On Jul 8, 2016, at 10:21 PM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Enewest mac minis, I don't believe so.
> 
> They have now made the mac mini  a closed unit, I gave it a good go 
> getting the base off one in a store near my home and couldn't move it 
> although the store wasn't happy I tried but it was pretty closed up.
> 
> It appears they now want to make it a no go with personal updates of 
> devices, as in you can't update the mac book pros like you use to be 
> able to, or the mac mini like you could before,
> 
> Imac can still be done '
> The 27 inch has a plate at the back that you can open to take out the 
> ram And if your really keen, you can take the screan off the 21 or 27inch 
> models to remove or change the harddrive.
> 
> I did this myself with a 21 inch 2007  imac and I wont do that again in a 
> hurry,  they are an absolute pig of a system to get into.
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Saqib Hussain
> Sent: Saturday, 9 July 2016 12:03 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Opinions On This Used Mac Mini
> 
> Hi. Can you upgrade the RAM on the latest Mac Mini? I would be interested in 
> doing this but I think Apple prefer we didn’t go to a local retailer for RAM 
> upgrades. 
>> On 7 Jul 2016, at 18:20, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Also, if you know a good computer store, or you know how to yourself, 
>> you can upgrade the ram, I believe up to 16 GB. At least, mine can be 
>> upgraded that much, yours may be only 8 GB. Still, that is decent.
>> 
>> Portia.
>> 
>> On 7/7/16, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> Hey Arnold,
>>> 
>>> That is the exact model I got, but it is from 2012.
>>> 
>>> I honestly think it would be a great buy, as I've read the reviews on it.
>>> 
>>> Portia.
>>> 
>>> On 7/7/16, Arnold Schmidt  wrote:
 It is from 2011.  It has an i5, I think 2.5 gig, processor, but 
 only
 4 gig of ram.  It has a 500 gig hard drive, which is plenty for me.  
 They want about $430 for this computer.  Thanks for any opinions.
 
 Arnold Schmidt
 
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RE: IOS 10 beta

[M. Taylor]

Hello,

It seems as though we have this discussion every year.  (smile).

Please do not discuss beta software on this list.

Thank you,

Mark

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On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 10:00 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: IOS 10 beta

Scott, even though it's a public beta, the NDA is still in effect. Cara and 
Mark both say this. Mark or Cara, if you want to take it from here, go ahead.

Shawn
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On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

Ray, public beta buddy, has nothing to do with non disclosure.

Public being the key word here.

Discuss away, it’s assumed you will.

On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Simon, my good sir, please allow me to gently remind you that we are strictly 
forbidden from discussing what we are finding out in the beta testing of IOS10. 
 This pertains both to developer beta as well as the public beta.  Bear in mind 
that the public beta is public strictly in the sence that the public has access 
to it without paying a developer fee:  but, open discussion of findings is 
strictly forbidden.


Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! 

On Jul 9, 2016, at 5:06 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi List folks,
 
Ok so today I thought I’d be crazier than usual and I updated to the IOS 10 
beta release.
 
Does anyone know of any yet written documentation on the new features in IOS 
10, I’ve found a few but others are hiding from me.
 
The first one that really got me was iMessage being turned off after updating.
 
But it definitely seems faster especially when setting up fingerprints in the 
touch sensor.
 
Cheers for any information.

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