Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Honestly, I think it's... well... you can complete that sentence as you see 
fit. LOL! Ultimately, I'm not doubting you, nor that they told you this, as 
much as I'm doubting that is the real reason. They're quite NSA 
specification secretive. in some respect. In other words, they don't  spill 
jack ***. I'm sure there's a more logical explaination, Getting them to tell 
us what the full reason is would be like trying to get cookie monster to eat 
asparagus, or getting a baby to eat a 16 ounce sirloin, mind you, in one 
sitting.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 11:16 PM
Subject: Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex


Something about the space, and how they handle things something like that 
I am not sure either I have the voices though and I also Know that you 
said you did not have them. So I am also interested in knowing how they 
came up with this as well.



On 11/2/2016 9:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yeah... I don't get how it could be device related, but, OK. I suppose.
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- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex


I have heard that they are working on getting the voices back in an 
update they had told me that it was device specific and that they should 
have always been there.




On 11/1/2016 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced 
voices back?


Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me 
regarding it. Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced 
American english male and female voices, while others say, no, they 
should be there, while thirdly, others say, they're not there and were 
taken out, but they're going to be coming back soon.


I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't like 
Alex, but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but that's about 
it. I find most of the other Nuance voices to be the same, given my 
hearing loss.


The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with ease. 
The compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and fuzzy for 
my liking. Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is utter crap!


Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested by 
Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac before 
restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a device which 
still has access to them. That did no good.


I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone 
itself as well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.


BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have ever 
touched this device.


Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had the 
voices right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why the 
hell can't I seem to get them.


It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds back, 
and ever since, they've just totally vannished.

---
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i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex


Hi,

Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is 
for the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as 
my voice. I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, 
Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand 
Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have 
managed to enable him on my iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please 
help!  Ipod touch is supposed to have the A8 chip so it should be 
possible.  Or maybe not?


Andrew



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Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Singing Sparrow]

Something about the space, and how they handle things something like 
that I am not sure either I have the voices though and I also Know that 
you said you did not have them. So I am also interested in knowing how 
they came up with this as well.



On 11/2/2016 9:47 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Yeah... I don't get how it could be device related, but, OK. I suppose.
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- Original Message - From: "Singing Sparrow" 


To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex


I have heard that they are working on getting the voices back in an 
update they had told me that it was device specific and that they 
should have always been there.




On 11/1/2016 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced 
voices back?


Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me 
regarding it. Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced 
American english male and female voices, while others say, no, they 
should be there, while thirdly, others say, they're not there and 
were taken out, but they're going to be coming back soon.


I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't 
like Alex, but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but 
that's about it. I find most of the other Nuance voices to be the 
same, given my hearing loss.


The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with 
ease. The compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and 
fuzzy for my liking. Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is 
utter crap!


Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested 
by Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac 
before restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a 
device which still has access to them. That did no good.


I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone 
itself as well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.


BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have 
ever touched this device.


Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had 
the voices right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why 
the hell can't I seem to get them.


It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds 
back, and ever since, they've just totally vannished.

---
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Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex


Hi,

Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is 
for the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex 
as my voice. I've been through accessibility, and voices, 
accessibility, Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it 
out.  I can't stand Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my 
favourite is Alex.  I have managed to enable him on my iphone SE but 
ipod touch? No go.  Please help!  Ipod touch is supposed to have the 
A8 chip so it should be possible.  Or maybe not?


Andrew



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Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah... I don't get how it could be device related, but, OK. I suppose.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Singing Sparrow" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex


I have heard that they are working on getting the voices back in an update 
they had told me that it was device specific and that they should have 
always been there.




On 11/1/2016 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced voices 
back?


Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me regarding 
it. Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced American english 
male and female voices, while others say, no, they should be there, while 
thirdly, others say, they're not there and were taken out, but they're 
going to be coming back soon.


I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't like 
Alex, but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but that's about 
it. I find most of the other Nuance voices to be the same, given my 
hearing loss.


The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with ease. 
The compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and fuzzy for my 
liking. Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is utter crap!


Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested by 
Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac before 
restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a device which 
still has access to them. That did no good.


I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone itself 
as well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.


BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have ever 
touched this device.


Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had the 
voices right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why the hell 
can't I seem to get them.


It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds back, 
and ever since, they've just totally vannished.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
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i...@gillandmarketing.com
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- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex


Hi,

Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is for 
the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my 
voice. I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, 
Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand 
Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have 
managed to enable him on my iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please 
help!  Ipod touch is supposed to have the A8 chip so it should be 
possible.  Or maybe not?


Andrew



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replace battery

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

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uh oh, my Macbook Pro 2010 says replace battery soon. This is not good since 
Apple won’t replace. Anyone know of a 3rd party option?

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Re: Enhanced Siri Voices, was: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Singing Sparrow]

I have heard that they are working on getting the voices back in an 
update they had told me that it was device specific and that they should 
have always been there.




On 11/1/2016 1:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
What I! wanna know, is why on earth I cannot get the Siri Enhanced 
voices back?


Accessibility is being completely beat around the bush with me 
regarding it. Some reps tell me they did away with the enhanced 
American english male and female voices, while others say, no, they 
should be there, while thirdly, others say, they're not there and were 
taken out, but they're going to be coming back soon.


I just want the truth in what on earth happened. I frankly don't like 
Alex, but that's just me. I've grown to tollerate him, but that's 
about it. I find most of the other Nuance voices to be the same, given 
my hearing loss.


The male Siri enhanced voice is about the only one I can do with ease. 
The compact isn't terrible, but it's way to downsampled and fuzzy for 
my liking. Plus, some of the way it pronounces things is utter crap!


Before anyone says anything, I've definitely done what was suggested 
by Applevis by plugging in my phone to the actual wall, not the mac 
before restoring an iCloud backup with the voices included from a 
device which still has access to them. That did no good.


I've also restored and set up as a new device both from the phone 
itself as well as from ITunes directly on the mac. No good.


BTW, no, this is not a public nor private beta. Neither ones have ever 
touched this device.


Even stranger, a friend of mine just got an iPhone 6S+, and he had the 
voices right from the get go. Both enhanced were there. So, why the 
hell can't I seem to get them.


It's the weirdest thing. I did an iOS update about 3 or 4 builds back, 
and ever since, they've just totally vannished.

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- Original Message - From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:55 AM
Subject: Ipod touch latest and Alex


Hi,

Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is 
for the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as 
my voice. I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, 
Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand 
Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have 
managed to enable him on my iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please 
help!  Ipod touch is supposed to have the A8 chip so it should be 
possible.  Or maybe not?


Andrew



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[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

Hi:
My dad has a Macbookpro 15 inch 2011. i7, 750GB 7200 rpm HD, 8 gb RAM.
Lately it has been acting weird. Yesterday he got the blue screen of death. he 
got it back running. He gave it to me to check out. Right now, I’ve put dropbox 
on it and i’m backing up all his stuff to the cloud. I ran disk permisiions and 
verified disk repair did al that looks fine. No errors. What I’m wondering if 
booting in to safe mode or doing a hardware test is accessible?
I mean this was so bad, there was no recovery disk.

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Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

The Galaxy gives it away I think.

She needs to make sure that the features are enabled and i believe these are 
under phone.  Also, Samsung phones at least the S5 had problems setting up HD 
calls when they received a call.  If the iPhone to iPhone calls work 
successfully we can pretty much point to her phone and it would be worth 
reviewing the settings.  Let me know if that makes sense or if you have any 
further questions or if you confirm the iPhone to iPhone calling doesn’t work 
in the same way.

Thanks Ray
Scott

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> I think her Galaxy is set to LTE but truth to tell, I rather doubt she’s even 
> gone to that part of her settings.  Now, my brother-in-law, (who has an 
> iPHone6S+ has the same thing happen.  He has AT and I don’t know without 
> asking him what his settings are.  I suspect that I’m just about the only one 
> in my family who goes deep in to the settings like what we do.  Odd don’t yuh 
> think:  I mean about the issue I seem to be having.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, that’s a weird one Ray.
>> 
>> Now let me ask you’re definitely attached to LTE for your calling right or 
>> are you using WiFi calling?  Shouldn’t matter but it might.
>> 
>> If your sister calls you the call sets up correctly and you get HD audio, do 
>> you happen to know what her LTE settings are and are we talking iPhones or 
>> is her’s a different brand?
>> 
>> Nothing’s jumping out at me, it should work but I’m glad you’ve checked the 
>> obvious stuff.  A little more information about her phone may help.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE 
>>> are turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my 
>>> account.  Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but 
>>> when I call her, it does not.  Any ideas?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
 when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should 
 be under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE 
 voice and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that 
 you have the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call 
 customer service to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once 
 enabled you should be able to both place and receive HD calls.
 
 Hope that helps
 
 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with 
> AT) I hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with 
> Verizon Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that 
> maybe be solved via the method you described?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>> 
>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>> WiFi network.
>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like 
>> iMessage will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel 
>> with the following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the 
>> carrier is configured to you may have low speed data still 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Hi Dona, here’s how it is setup on my phone, I have it opened in front of me to 
make sure I get this exactly right.

Go to settings, cellular and you should first see a cellular data option and it 
should say on.  To the right of that one flick is a button that says cellular 
data options roaming off (or on depending on how you have it toggled).  Press 
this button and a new screen opens.  You’ll see an enable LTE button that in my 
case says voice and data, select voice, voice and data, data or none depending 
on your needs I’d suggest voice and data, flick once to the right and you see 
data roaming flick right again and you get a description of the functions of 
cell data.  Let me know if this helps, some of the controls are a little 
confusing.

Thanks 
Scott

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott,
> 
> I don't see either of these under Cellular Data.  I also checked under phone, 
> and don't see them there.  I'm with VZ.  Anywhere else I might look?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
>> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
>> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
>> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
>> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service 
>> to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be 
>> able to both place and receive HD calls.
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) 
>>> I hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>>> solved via the method you described?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
 
 Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
 absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
 WiFi network.
 However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
 messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
 LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
 for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage 
 will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
 following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
 configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the 
 data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though 
 because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things 
 like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for 
 example when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines 
 at a time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more 
 calls in parallel.
Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
 separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
 everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
 and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here 
 you’ll use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if 
 you disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based 
 text messages.
There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
 with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE 
 voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher 
 bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell 
 data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on 
 the two CDMA based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the 
 networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on 
 Verizon and Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that 
 your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will 
 complete.  
 
 Hope that helps
 
  
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Singing Sparrow]

Ray, that is very insightful; I think that in a lot of ways the way cell 
provider's tell people things construes things to the point where people 
get mixed up in thinking things the right reasonible way that they 
really should be thinking them.



On 11/2/2016 11:37 AM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you 
WILL, NOT, be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of 
your WIFI network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that 
myself.  Seems very basic to me.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in


Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> wrote:


Guys,
I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a 
bit agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help 
me out.
I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which 
member it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not 
even going to reveal their gender.
Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are 
incredibly new to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the 
smart phone world in general.
When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like 
Apple Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those 
things are turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is 
allowed to be used with the apps.
I told them that if they either turn off any of those apps, or for 
that mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off 
completely, that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried 
explaining that when cellular is off, then nothing will work if 
they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd 
have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a wifi 
network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one 
of the two.
I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all 
they're doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, 
etc. is, they're not disabling the apps from currently! using data. 
All they're doing is disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any 
time they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use 
Apple Music, as they've disabled it from being able to be used with 
Cellular.
I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be 
able to receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a 
wifi network, as they do have wifi calling enabled.
Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their 
internet would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, 
that doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data 
right then and there. The only time that happens is if they're not on 
a wifi network, at which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular 
data. As long as they are on  a wifi network, it would not use their 
6GB data plan.
Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and 
they definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular 
basis, so if you respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain 
this.
They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to 
always leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on 
wifi or not. I find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would 
you want your cellular to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places 
where yes, you may want it off, but not 100% of the time. Come on! 
Really?
I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and 
honestly, it doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them 
this, but I will leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.
Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and 
what it does?
Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi 
assist is.
I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's 
probably gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then 
will dm me on Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not 
working? Then, I'm gonna be lost, as I don't know what they shut on 
and off.
I keep telling them, if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it, but, 
they wanna obviously be adventurous, which is fine, to a point, but 
why ask me what something does, if 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

I think her Galaxy is set to LTE but truth to tell, I rather doubt she’s even 
gone to that part of her settings.  Now, my brother-in-law, (who has an 
iPHone6S+ has the same thing happen.  He has AT and I don’t know without 
asking him what his settings are.  I suspect that I’m just about the only one 
in my family who goes deep in to the settings like what we do.  Odd don’t yuh 
think:  I mean about the issue I seem to be having.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow, that’s a weird one Ray.
> 
> Now let me ask you’re definitely attached to LTE for your calling right or 
> are you using WiFi calling?  Shouldn’t matter but it might.
> 
> If your sister calls you the call sets up correctly and you get HD audio, do 
> you happen to know what her LTE settings are and are we talking iPhones or is 
> her’s a different brand?
> 
> Nothing’s jumping out at me, it should work but I’m glad you’ve checked the 
> obvious stuff.  A little more information about her phone may help.
> 
> Thanks
> 
>  
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE 
>> are turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my 
>> account.  Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but 
>> when I call her, it does not.  Any ideas?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
>>> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
>>> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
>>> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
>>> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer 
>>> service to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you 
>>> should be able to both place and receive HD calls.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr > wrote:
 
 Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) 
 I hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
 Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
 solved via the method you described?
 
 
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
 built-in
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
 
 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
 iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
> 
> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
> WiFi network.
> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like 
> iMessage will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel 
> with the following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the 
> carrier is configured to you may have low speed data still available even 
> with the data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of 
> data though because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to 
> send things like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the 
> reason for example when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use 
> only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could 
> have more calls in parallel.
>   Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered 
> browsing and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  
> Here 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Wow, that’s a weird one Ray.

Now let me ask you’re definitely attached to LTE for your calling right or are 
you using WiFi calling?  Shouldn’t matter but it might.

If your sister calls you the call sets up correctly and you get HD audio, do 
you happen to know what her LTE settings are and are we talking iPhones or is 
her’s a different brand?

Nothing’s jumping out at me, it should work but I’m glad you’ve checked the 
obvious stuff.  A little more information about her phone may help.

Thanks

 

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:39 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE 
> are turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my 
> account.  Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but 
> when I call her, it does not.  Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
>> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
>> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
>> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
>> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service 
>> to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be 
>> able to both place and receive HD calls.
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) 
>>> I hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>>> solved via the method you described?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>> 
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
 
 Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
 absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
 WiFi network.
 However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
 messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
 LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
 for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage 
 will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
 following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
 configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the 
 data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though 
 because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things 
 like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for 
 example when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines 
 at a time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more 
 calls in parallel.
Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
 separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
 everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
 and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here 
 you’ll use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if 
 you disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based 
 text messages.
There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
 with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE 
 voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher 
 bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell 
 data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on 
 the two CDMA based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the 
 networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on 
 Verizon and Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that 
 your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will 
 complete.  

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Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Scott,

I don't see either of these under Cellular Data.  I also checked under phone, 
and don't see them there.  I'm with VZ.  Anywhere else I might look?
TIA,
Donna
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service 
> to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be 
> able to both place and receive HD calls.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
>> hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>> solved via the method you described?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>>> 
>>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>>> WiFi network.
>>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
>>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
>>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage 
>>> will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
>>> following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
>>> configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the 
>>> data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though 
>>> because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things 
>>> like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for example 
>>> when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a 
>>> time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more calls in 
>>> parallel.
>>> Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
>>> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
>>> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
>>> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
>>> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
>>> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
>>> messages.
>>> There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
>>> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE 
>>> voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher 
>>> bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell 
>>> data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on 
>>> the two CDMA based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the 
>>> networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on 
>>> Verizon and Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that 
>>> your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will 
>>> complete.  
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>>  
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > wrote:
 
 Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
 In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, 
 with my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
 cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
 not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for 
 Wi-Fi assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason 
 why is it will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this 
 individual, once tube use their data I would leave that completely turned 
 off otherwise, they we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what 
 I did whenever I was with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce 
 off the Wi-Fi, And switch me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and 
 then I will get text message alerts 

MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

It's been a while since last I posted as a moderator.  This is because as 
responsible men and women, I trust that everyone in this community will conduct 
themselves in a gracious and kind manner.

Having said this, in light of the post, upon which I am commenting, I say the 
following:

Scott, (and everyone, for that matter), name calling is unacceptable and 
inexcusable in this community and it simply will not be tolerated.

In my world, this sentiment is clear but just in case you live in a different 
world, this means that should anyone persists with this kind of behavior, they 
will be banned from the list.

I will post this in a completely separate thread, also, just so everyone will 
see it.

To end on a positive note, I wish you all the best holiday season, ever.

Sincerely,

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 9:41 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via
Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

Guys,
 
I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
 
I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.
 
Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.
 
When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.
 
I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.
 
I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.
 
The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
 
I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.
 
Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
 
I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that doesn't 
mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and there. The 
only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which point, it 
falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on  a wifi network, 
it would not use their 6GB data plan.
 
Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
 
Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
 
They told me that they called 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Here’s the weird thing about that.  ON my iPHone7+, both Voice and Data LTE are 
turned on.  Verizon tells me that HD voice is in fact turned on on my account.  
Now, when my sister calls, her voice comes over as HD audio but when I call 
her, it does not.  Any ideas?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:36 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that 
> when you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be 
> under the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice 
> and LTE data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have 
> the advanced calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service 
> to insure this is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be 
> able to both place and receive HD calls.
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
>> hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
>> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
>> solved via the method you described?
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>>> 
>>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>>> WiFi network.
>>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled 
>>> LTE as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel 
>>> for sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage 
>>> will still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
>>> following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
>>> configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the 
>>> data option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though 
>>> because it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things 
>>> like a voice call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for example 
>>> when using the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a 
>>> time or for example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more calls in 
>>> parallel.
>>> Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
>>> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
>>> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
>>> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
>>> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
>>> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
>>> messages.
>>> There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
>>> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE 
>>> voice, disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher 
>>> bandwidth calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell 
>>> data will disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on 
>>> the two CDMA based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the 
>>> networks are configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on 
>>> Verizon and Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that 
>>> your data on LTE is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will 
>>> complete.  
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps
>>> 
>>>  
 On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > wrote:
 
 Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
 In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, 
 with my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
 cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
 not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for 
 Wi-Fi assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason 
 why is it will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this 
 individual, once 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

You need to make sure that voice over LTE is enabled on your phone so that when 
you place a call the high bandwidth channel is active.  This should be under 
the cellular data section there is a separate indicator for LTE voice and LTE 
data, for best results enable both.  Also, make sure that you have the advanced 
calling feature enabled on your account.  Call customer service to insure this 
is enabled, it’s a free option.  Once enabled you should be able to both place 
and receive HD calls.

Hope that helps


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 2:28 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
> hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
> Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
> solved via the method you described?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
>> 
>> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
>> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the 
>> WiFi network.
>> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
>> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE 
>> as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for 
>> sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will 
>> still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the 
>> following exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is 
>> configured to you may have low speed data still available even with the data 
>> option set.  This should prevent you from using a lot of data though because 
>> it’s only a 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice 
>> call or regular text messages.  This is the reason for example when using 
>> the 1X channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for 
>> example 3 way calling and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
>>  Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
>> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
>> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
>> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
>> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
>> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
>> messages.
>>  There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
>> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
>> disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
>> calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
>> disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
>> based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
>> configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and 
>> Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE 
>> is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  
>> 
>> Hope that helps
>> 
>>  
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
>>> In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with 
>>> my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
>>> cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
>>> not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi 
>>> assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it 
>>> will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once 
>>> tube use their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, 
>>> they we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I 
>>> was with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And 
>>> switch me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text 
>>> message alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data 
>>> limit or at used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've 
>>> already done make the switch to a different carrier.
>>> Joseph Hudson 
>>> Group administrator for the following
>>> groups
>>> chat
>>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org 
>>> 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Ah, perhaps that explains why when my sister calls me, (she is with AT) I 
hear her voice as an HD call:  but, when I call her, (I’m with Verizon 
Wireless.) her voice does not come over as HD voice.  Could that maybe be 
solved via the method you described?


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
> 
> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the WiFi 
> network.
> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE 
> as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for 
> sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will 
> still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the following 
> exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is configured to 
> you may have low speed data still available even with the data option set.  
> This should prevent you from using a lot of data though because it’s only a 
> 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice call or 
> regular text messages.  This is the reason for example when using the 1X 
> channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 
> way calling and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
>   Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
> messages.
>   There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
> disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
> calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
> disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
> based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
> configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and 
> Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE 
> is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
>  
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
>> In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with 
>> my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
>> cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
>> not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi 
>> assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it 
>> will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once 
>> tube use their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they 
>> we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I was 
>> with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch 
>> me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message 
>> alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or 
>> at used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already 
>> done make the switch to a different carrier.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org 
>> 
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>>  blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Joseph Hudson]

Okay Scott thanks for this. I cannot remember that about Sprint. But it wasn't 
for sure the weather that was still the case as it's been so long since I've 
been with Sprint. I managed to stay away from them for three years. He'll be 
three years exactly come march. And I will remove my signature so that Chris 
can see your message directly so that he can have this information as well.

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
> 
> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the WiFi 
> network.
> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE 
> as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for 
> sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will 
> still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the following 
> exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is configured to 
> you may have low speed data still available even with the data option set.  
> This should prevent you from using a lot of data though because it’s only a 
> 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice call or 
> regular text messages.  This is the reason for example when using the 1X 
> channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 
> way calling and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
>   Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
> messages.
>   There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
> disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
> calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
> disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
> based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
> configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and 
> Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE 
> is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
>  
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
>> In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with 
>> my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
>> cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
>> not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi 
>> assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it 
>> will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once 
>> tube use their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they 
>> we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I was 
>> with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch 
>> me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message 
>> alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or 
>> at used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already 
>> done make the switch to a different carrier.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org 
>> 
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>>  blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Donna Goodin]

That is very helpful, Scott.  thanks for the post.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.
> 
> Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
> absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the WiFi 
> network.
> However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text 
> messages, same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE 
> as part of disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for 
> sending traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will 
> still be disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the following 
> exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is configured to 
> you may have low speed data still available even with the data option set.  
> This should prevent you from using a lot of data though because it’s only a 
> 100 kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice call or 
> regular text messages.  This is the reason for example when using the 1X 
> channel traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 
> way calling and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
>   Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
> separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
> everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing 
> and talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll 
> use the same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you 
> disable cell data you disable all messaging including carrier based text 
> messages.
>   There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
> with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
> disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
> calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
> disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
> based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
> configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and 
> Sprint who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE 
> is disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  
> 
> Hope that helps
> 
>  
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson > > wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. 
>> In a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with 
>> my iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with 
>> cellular data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about 
>> not being able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi 
>> assist, you want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it 
>> will use data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once 
>> tube use their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they 
>> we'll realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I was 
>> with AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch 
>> me over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message 
>> alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or 
>> at used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already 
>> done make the switch to a different carrier.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org 
>> 
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>>  blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joseph,
>>>  
>>> When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but can 
>>> you try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying to say. 
>>> LOL!
>>> ---
>>> Christopher 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

Joseph, you’re the closest so far but not quite right.

Yes, WiFi assist should be turned off to avoid data usage because you’re 
absolutely right it will use the radio to offset poor performance in the WiFi 
network.
However, on Verizon, turning off data will not stop traditional text messages, 
same with Sprint.  In these networks, assuming you’ve disabled LTE as part of 
disabling cellular data you will still use the 1X channel for sending 
traditional carrier based text messages.  Things like iMessage will still be 
disabled because that uses the high speed channel with the following 
exceptions.  If you’re not on a voice call and the carrier is configured to you 
may have low speed data still available even with the data option set.  This 
should prevent you from using a lot of data though because it’s only a 100 
kilobit channel so only designed to send things like a voice call or regular 
text messages.  This is the reason for example when using the 1X channel 
traditionally you could use only 2 lines at a time or for example 3 way calling 
and on AT you could have more calls in parallel.
Now on AT what’s your saying is closer to the truth.  There was no 
separate voice channel.  Voice was encoded right in the HSPA stream with 
everything else.  This is why AT and T-Mobile for years offered browsing and 
talking at the same time and Sprint and Verizon could not.  Here you’ll use the 
same data channel for messages of all flavors as well so if you disable cell 
data you disable all messaging including carrier based text messages.
There are a few ways to configure voice though to allow for calling 
with out enabling data.  You can go in to the settings and enable LTE voice, 
disable LTE data and this will allow for the use of the higher bandwidth 
calling on all networks, turning off the global value for cell data will 
disable all data services with the exception of plain texts on the two CDMA 
based carriers.  You need to be mindful though of how the networks are 
configured because quite soon CDMA is going away entirely on Verizon and Sprint 
who knows.  At that point you’ll want to insure that your data on LTE is 
disabled but voice is left enabled so that calls will complete.  

Hope that helps

 
> On Nov 2, 2016, at 1:48 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. In 
> a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with my 
> iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with cellular 
> data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about not being 
> able to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi assist, you 
> want to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it will use 
> data, if your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once tube use 
> their data I would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they we'll 
> realize they’ll running to situations like what I did whenever I was with 
> AT so what happen, was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch me 
> over to LTE. And I would go to stream, and then I will get text message 
> alerts from AT saying and I was either half or 75% over my data limit or at 
> used 75%. But, I know longer have to worry about that. As I've already done 
> make the switch to a different carrier.
> Joseph Hudson 
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org 
> 
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
>  blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Joseph,
>>  
>> When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but can 
>> you try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying to say. 
>> LOL!
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com 
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Joseph, can I have your number please off list?

I have a few quick questions. I don't have long, but I need some clarification.

clgillan...@gmail.com
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 1:48 PM
  Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?


  Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. In 
a nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with my 
iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with cellular 
data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about not being able 
to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi assist, you want 
to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it will use data, if 
your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once tube use their data I 
would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they we'll realize they’ll 
running to situations like what I did whenever I was with AT so what happen, 
was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch me over to LTE. And I would 
go to stream, and then I will get text message alerts from AT saying and I 
was either half or 75% over my data limit or at used 75%. But, I know longer 
have to worry about that. As I've already done make the switch to a different 
carrier.

  Joseph Hudson 
  Group administrator for the following
  groups
  chat
  http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
  blind apples
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

  blind square GPS
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

   blind handyman
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

  iPad help for the blind
  https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

  Email
  jhud7...@gmail.com
  I device support
  Telephone
  2543007667
  Skype
  joseph.hudson89
  facebook
  https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
  Twitter
  https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

  FaceTime/iMessage
  jhud7...@yahoo.com 


On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Joseph,

When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but can 
you try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying to say. LOL!
---
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?


  Chris, you were explain this the correct way. Yes I suggest leave all the 
Wi-Fi cyst stuff alone, and less it is turned on. Reason why say and with it is 
turned on, is because if the Wi-Fi signal is weak, it will use that data now, 
and referencing the whole data thing, the only thing that you can't receive, if 
selling your data is turned off that you might wish to receive his text 
messages at least that's the way it was with AT Now I'm not sure what 
Verizon but there's no doubt in my mind, that is so your data is turned off, 
date they won't do you want to get their phone calls and I got mine whenever I 
was AT customer and I did this on my 5S. If they want a second opinion, I can 
definitely call me get one. I choose not to have a long-range on IOS via email. 
As you, and I know, that I do my best at explaining things via voice. As you 
called me, and got in my opinion before then it would be the best thing for 
them to do. Especially, if they're warning a very valuable second opinion that 
will be just as good as yours

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On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a 
bit 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Joseph Hudson]

Chris, I always have free moments for you. So yes most definitely anytime. In a 
nutshell, what I was trying to say. Where's when I Was with AT, with my 
iPhone 5S running IOS nine. I was able to receive phone calls with cellular 
data off, just not text messages. So part of what you said about not being able 
to receive phone calls is not technically true. As for Wi-Fi assist, you want 
to make sure that that is turned off, The reason why is it will use data, if 
your signal is weak. So when list this individual, once tube use their data I 
would leave that completely turned off otherwise, they we'll realize they’ll 
running to situations like what I did whenever I was with AT so what happen, 
was my phone with bounce off the Wi-Fi, And switch me over to LTE. And I would 
go to stream, and then I will get text message alerts from AT saying and I 
was either half or 75% over my data limit or at used 75%. But, I know longer 
have to worry about that. As I've already done make the switch to a different 
carrier.
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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Joseph,
>  
> When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but can you 
> try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying to say. LOL!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
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>  
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Joseph Hudson 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?
>> 
>> Chris, you were explain this the correct way. Yes I suggest leave all the 
>> Wi-Fi cyst stuff alone, and less it is turned on. Reason why say and with it 
>> is turned on, is because if the Wi-Fi signal is weak, it will use that data 
>> now, and referencing the whole data thing, the only thing that you can't 
>> receive, if selling your data is turned off that you might wish to receive 
>> his text messages at least that's the way it was with AT Now I'm not sure 
>> what Verizon but there's no doubt in my mind, that is so your data is turned 
>> off, date they won't do you want to get their phone calls and I got mine 
>> whenever I was AT customer and I did this on my 5S. If they want a second 
>> opinion, I can definitely call me get one. I choose not to have a long-range 
>> on IOS via email. As you, and I know, that I do my best at explaining things 
>> via voice. As you called me, and got in my opinion before then it would be 
>> the best thing for them to do. Especially, if they're warning a very 
>> valuable second opinion that will be just as good as yours
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
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>> 
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>> 
>>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>>  
>>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>>>  
>>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member 
>>> it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going 
>>> to reveal their gender.
>>>  
>>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, you're telling me, Ray!

I don't know how else to put it. Basically, the way you said it is ultimately 
how I, too, said it. Oh well.
---
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Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?


  Seems to me you might try it this way.


  If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, NOT, 
be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular off 
all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  


  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in



  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member 
it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly 
new to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's 
not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is 
off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. 
The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet 
would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.

I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which 
point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on  a wifi 
network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.

Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.

Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.

They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to 
always leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or 
not. I find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your 
cellular to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want it 
off, but not 100% of the time. Come on! Really?

I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, 
it doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.

Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it 
does?

Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi 
assist is.

I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's probably 
gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then will dm me on 
Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not working? Then, I'm gonna be 
lost, as I don't 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Joseph,

When yu have a free moment to do so, absolutely no hard feelings, but can you 
try that msg again? Siri totally butchered what you were trying to say. LOL!
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joseph Hudson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2016 12:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?


  Chris, you were explain this the correct way. Yes I suggest leave all the 
Wi-Fi cyst stuff alone, and less it is turned on. Reason why say and with it is 
turned on, is because if the Wi-Fi signal is weak, it will use that data now, 
and referencing the whole data thing, the only thing that you can't receive, if 
selling your data is turned off that you might wish to receive his text 
messages at least that's the way it was with AT Now I'm not sure what 
Verizon but there's no doubt in my mind, that is so your data is turned off, 
date they won't do you want to get their phone calls and I got mine whenever I 
was AT customer and I did this on my 5S. If they want a second opinion, I can 
definitely call me get one. I choose not to have a long-range on IOS via email. 
As you, and I know, that I do my best at explaining things via voice. As you 
called me, and got in my opinion before then it would be the best thing for 
them to do. Especially, if they're warning a very valuable second opinion that 
will be just as good as yours

  Joseph Hudson 
  Group administrator for the following
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  chat
  http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
  blind apples
  
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http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

   blind handyman
  
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

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On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 wrote:


Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member 
it is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly 
new to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's 
not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is 
off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. 
The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet 
would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.

I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which 
point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on  a wifi 
network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.

Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
definitely do 

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Scott Granados]

You raise an interesting question.  I wonder about the mini as well.   I think 
the low power desk top is probably dead.  They have the much higher end Mac Pro 
but that’s a very high dollar item.
Apple hasn’t come out with a new Monitor in a while either that I’m 
aware of and they used to sell one that was vastly over priced especially if it 
hasn’t been updated.  The pound 2000 or so for a decent MacBook pro doesn’t 
seem to unreasonable but it still is a pile of cash.  The price of the MacBook 
pro line did seem to jump up quite a bit in this run.  If you get a fully 
loaded 15 inch model with 2TB of storage you’re looking at over $4000 US which 
is a full 1200 more than I spent for a fully loaded 15 inch from the previous 
run.


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Saqib Hussain  wrote:
> 
> Hi. I am disappointed that there is no update to the Mac Mini line. I’m using 
> the 2014 model and was hoping to upgrade again next year! I think the desktop 
> is dead for sure now. There is no way I’m shelling out over £2000 for an up 
> to date machine with a touch bar. 
>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 23:07, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> One thing I'll miss from MagSafe 2 is the magnetic connect/disconnect. 
>> However, I'm ecited about USB-C, as I've 64-watt and other USB-c power 
>> adapters/cables everywhere.
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:00 PM Maria Chapman > > wrote:
>> Hmmm I run a usb hub and wireless headphones that run on usb.  Will there be 
>> adaptors available to still be able to run devices?
>> 
>> Maria
>> 
>> > On 19 Oct 2016, at 4:03 AM, Scott Granados > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to 
>> > discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops 
>> > including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the 
>> > place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 
>> > 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a 
>> > hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other 
>> > reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be 
>> > interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
>> >   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
>> > keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
>> > USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a 
>> > little bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just 
>> > because) and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
>> > What do you all think?
>> >
>> > Read more here.
>> > http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
>> >  
>> > 
>> >
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Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

[Scott Granados]

This makes sense, transcoding or converting something from one format to 
another requires a fair bit of horsepower.  I worked for a video conferencing 
company for a while where we were converting from things like Skype and jabber 
to native SIP H264 and we required piles and piles of cores. It’snot 
necessarily memory that’s required as it is pure processing horsepower.
 


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
> 
> Personally i mostly do normal things on the mac that do not require more than 
> 16GB ram. I put 32GB in the iMac because the ram was relatively cheap from 
> Crucial. I do use Audirvana 2 plus for flac. high res music. The music is 
> stored in ram before playback. To my surprice only about 1GB was loaded into 
> ram before playback even though i interacted with the songs by hitting next - 
> next - next to see if more songs was loaded into ram. 
> 
> One day, by mistake, i converted about 60GB of flac. audio to mpeg. audio. 
> Then things happened in the iMac. late 2012. Fan speed at 100%, 30GB  ram was 
> loaded, about 30% cpu usage, took about 30 minutes or less (don’t remember). 
> What a day. Excitement about the machine. Conerting files goes faster with 
> more ram. If you are pressed for time. Downloading files from the internet 
> uses much cpu. Encrypt hard drive may be done faster with next generation 
> cpu. Don’t use much ram when encrypting or downloading is my personal 
> experience., but when converting audio files, Wow!!
> 
> Take care
> 
> 
>> 2. nov. 2016 kl. 04.37 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper 
>> prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16 
>> GB of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do 
>> something that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
>> 
>>> So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a 
>>> limitation, I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks 
>>> like Intel, not Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some 
>>> of the limitations.
>>> Mary
>>> Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM 
>>> issues in new MacBook Pro
>>> AppleInsider
>>> 
>>> The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified, 
>>> clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like 
>>> limited Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation 
>>> began about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple 
>>> made, which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some 
>>> choices, many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has 
>>> placed on the company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.
>>> 
>>> Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro
>>> 
>>> The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified 
>>> as the 6360U processor. The 6360U launched in the third quarter of 2015, 
>>> using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest of the processors in the new 
>>> MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency of 3.1 GHz.
>>> 
>>> Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core 
>>> processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.
>>> 
>>> An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4 
>>> GHz i7 6567U processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design 
>>> power of 28W.
>>> 
>>> 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models
>>> 
>>> The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model 
>>> has a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz 
>>> dual i5 6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the 
>>> dual-Thunderbolt version.
>>> 
>>> The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 
>>> 28W. An upgrade to the 6287U dual i5 will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 
>>> GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal design power as the other upgrade 
>>> processors.
>>> 
>>> 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt
>>> 
>>> The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also has a choice of three 
>>> processors —the 6700HQ 2.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz 6820HQ, and 2.9 GHz 6920HQ. Peak 
>>> turbo speeds are 3.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, and 3.8 GHz, respectively.
>>> 
>>> All three of the quad-core processors have a 45-watt thermal design power, 
>>> and 16 PCI-e lanes.
>>> 
>>> Implications of Skylake in the MacBook Pro
>>> 
>>> All three of the quad-core processors available in the new 15-inch MacBook 
>>> Pro have 16 PCI-e lanes, which is what 

Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

[Scott Granados]

Not going to happen do to power and heat dispersion concerns.

Not yet anyway, maybe if they make some lower power breakthroughs but that’s a 
lot of heat in a pretty small space with no way to get rid of it.

After using a quad core on the 15 inch and seeing how hot that unit gets I 
can’t imagine how toasty a 13 inch would get with that much more concentrated 
in an even smaller package.

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 3:58 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yeah put a quad core processor in a 13inch mac book pro, and 32gig ram would 
> make  me happier.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:04 PM
> To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via  >
> Subject: Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind 
> Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro
>  
> I could use 32 GB today to run more virtual machines at the same time.  I’d 
> like to be able to run 20 at a time or more.
> I would think a lot of film editors and other people would have a 
> use for it.
>  
> What I found most interesting about the article is how similar the chips are 
> even I5 and I7.  I suspect they are all the same chip just different grades, 
> one that grades a little better is pushed up the line and so forth.  The chip 
> game is a very interesting and in some ways difficult to understand game on 
> that level.
>  
>  
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
>  
> Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper 
> prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16 
> GB of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do 
> something that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao  > wrote:
> 
> So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!
>  
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten  > wrote:
> In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a 
> limitation, I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks 
> like Intel, not Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of 
> the limitations.
> Mary
> Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM 
> issues in new MacBook Pro
> AppleInsider
> 
>  The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified, 
> clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like limited 
> Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
> 
> 
>  
> After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation 
> began about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple 
> made, which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some 
> choices, many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has placed 
> on the company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.
> 
> Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro
> 
> The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified as 
> the 6360U processor. The 6360U launched 
> 
>  in the third quarter of 2015, using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest of 
> the processors in the new MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency of 
> 3.1 GHz.
> 
> Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core 
> processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.
> 
> An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4 
> GHz i7 6567U 
> 
>  processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 28W.
> 
> 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models
> 
> The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model 
> has a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz 
> dual i5 6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the 
> dual-Thunderbolt version.
> 
> The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 GHz 
> ,
>  and has a thermal design power of 28W. An upgrade to the6287U dual i5 
> 
>  will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal 
> design power as the other upgrade processors.
> 
> 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt
> 
> The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Joseph Hudson]

Chris, you were explain this the correct way. Yes I suggest leave all the Wi-Fi 
cyst stuff alone, and less it is turned on. Reason why say and with it is 
turned on, is because if the Wi-Fi signal is weak, it will use that data now, 
and referencing the whole data thing, the only thing that you can't receive, if 
selling your data is turned off that you might wish to receive his text 
messages at least that's the way it was with AT Now I'm not sure what 
Verizon but there's no doubt in my mind, that is so your data is turned off, 
date they won't do you want to get their phone calls and I got mine whenever I 
was AT customer and I did this on my 5S. If they want a second opinion, I can 
definitely call me get one. I choose not to have a long-range on IOS via email. 
As  you, and I know, that I do my best at explaining things via voice. As you 
called me, and got in my opinion before then it would be the best thing for 
them to do. Especially, if they're warning a very valuable second opinion that 
will be just as good as yours
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> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>  
> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
> reveal their gender.
>  
> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
> general.
>  
> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
> the apps.
>  
> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be 
> if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't 
> understand, one of the two.
>  
> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>  
> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
> move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
> they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
>  
> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
> receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
> as they do have wifi calling enabled.
>  
> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
> but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
> kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
>  
> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
> doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
> there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at 
> which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on 
>  a wifi network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.
>  
> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
> definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
> respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
>  
> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
>  
> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
> leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. I 
> find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your cellular 
> to always 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Scott Granados]

It’s to bad you’re both wrong and Chris asked the question because this is 
right in my area but since he blocks me and since he’s such an ass to everybody 
I guess the wrong information will have to be out there.

Anyone who wishes the correct answer including you Ray please contact me off 
list.  Aside from Chris of course.


> On Nov 2, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> Seems to me you might try it this way.
> 
>   If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
> NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn 
> cellular off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, 
> be able to make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI 
> network.  Can’t see what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems 
> very basic to me.  
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>>  
>> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
>> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>>  
>> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
>> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
>> reveal their gender.
>>  
>> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
>> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
>> general.
>>  
>> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
>> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
>> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
>> the apps.
>>  
>> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
>> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
>> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
>> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
>> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would 
>> be if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or 
>> don't understand, one of the two.
>>  
>> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
>> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
>> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
>> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>>  
>> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time 
>> they move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, 
>> as they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
>>  
>> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
>> receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
>> as they do have wifi calling enabled.
>>  
>> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work 
>> regardless, but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their 
>> internet would go kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
>>  
>> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
>> doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
>> there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at 
>> which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are 
>> on  a wifi network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.
>>  
>> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
>> definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
>> respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
>>  
>> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
>>  
>> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
>> leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. 
>> I find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your 
>> cellular to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want 
>> it off, but not 100% of the time. Come on! Really?
>>  
>> I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, it 
>> doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
>> leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.
>>  
>> Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it 
>> does?
>>  
>> Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi assist 
>> is.
>>  
>> I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, 

Re: Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Ray Foret jr]

Seems to me you might try it this way.

If you have cellular service turned off for any apps, those apps WILL, 
NOT, be able to use data if you go outside of Wifi range.  IF you turn cellular 
off all together, and have only Wifi calling inabled, you WILL, NOT, be able to 
make or receive calls unless you are in range of your WIFI network.  Can’t see 
what’s so hard to understand about that myself.  Seems very basic to me.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 2, 2016, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
>  
> I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
> agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.
>  
> I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
> is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
> reveal their gender.
>  
> Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new 
> to the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in 
> general.
>  
> When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
> Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
> turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
> the apps.
>  
> I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that 
> mind, do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, 
> that's not a very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when 
> cellular is off, then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 
> 4G/LTE network. The only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be 
> if they were on a wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't 
> understand, one of the two.
>  
> I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're 
> doing by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're 
> not disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is 
> disabling the apps so they never! will use cellular.
>  
> The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
> move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
> they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.
>  
> I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
> receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, 
> as they do have wifi calling enabled.
>  
> Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
> but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
> kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.
>  
> I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that 
> doesn't mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and 
> there. The only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at 
> which point, it falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on 
>  a wifi network, it would not use their 6GB data plan.
>  
> Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
> definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
> respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.
>  
> Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.
>  
> They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
> leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. I 
> find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your cellular 
> to always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want it off, but 
> not 100% of the time. Come on! Really?
>  
> I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, it 
> doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
> leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.
>  
> Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it 
> does?
>  
> Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi assist 
> is.
>  
> I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's probably 
> gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then will dm me on 
> Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not working? Then, I'm gonna 
> be lost, as I don't know what they shut on and off.
>  
> I keep telling them, if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it, but, they wanna 
> obviously be adventurous, which is fine, to a point, but why ask me what 
> something does, if you're only then gonna turn around and say, well, not 
> according to what x person/persons tell/tells me.
>  
> I mean, Gawod! 

Wifi VS. Cellular?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Guys,

I don't know how to better explain this, and honestly, I'm getting a bit 
agrevated trying to do so. Maybe one of you can chime in and help me out.

I have a friend who is on this list. I'm not going to reveal which member it 
is, as I don't wish to put anyone here on the spot. I'm not even going to 
reveal their gender.

Anyway, he/she has just recently obtained an iPhone. They are incredibly new to 
the iPhone world. In fact, they are new to the smart phone world in general.

When they go into settings, Cellular, they see things using data like Apple 
Music, YOutube, etc. I tried to explain to them that yes, those things are 
turned on, as they are set to where cellular data is allowed to be used with 
the apps.

I told them that if  they either turn off any of those apps, or for that mind, 
do what they wanna do by totally turning cellular off completely, that's not a 
very wise idea in most cases.  I tried explaining that when cellular is off, 
then nothing will work if they're on the Verizon cellular 4G/LTE network. The 
only time they'd have data internet connectivity would be if they were on a 
wifi network. Obviously, they don't believe me, or don't understand, one of the 
two.

I don't know how to explain this any easier. I told them that all they're doing 
by disabling those apps under there like Apple Music, etc. is, they're not 
disabling the apps from currently! using data. All they're doing is disabling 
the apps so they never! will use cellular.

The example I gave them was, if they turn off Apple Music, then any time they 
move out of range of their wifi, they won't be able to use Apple Music, as 
they've disabled it from being able to be used with Cellular.

I told them, if they turn off cellular entirely, then they won't be able to 
receive phone calls nor make calls, etc. unless they are on a wifi network, as 
they do have wifi calling enabled.

Of corse, if they're on wifi, then their internet would also work regardless, 
but as soon as they move away from the wifi range, their internet would go 
kaput and so would their incoming and outgoing calls.

I tried explaining that by it saying those apps use cellular data, that doesn't 
mean they're necessarily using their 6 gigs of data right then and there. The 
only time that happens is if they're not on a wifi network, at which point, it 
falls back to their LTE cellular data. As long as they are on  a wifi network, 
it would not use their 6GB data plan.

Again, I'm not gonna reveal who it is, but they are on this list, and they 
definitely do check their mail from this list on a regular basis, so if you 
respond, I know they'll see it, beyond a doubt.

Perhaps one of you all who're a little more patient today can explain this.

They told me that they called Verizon, and Verizon is telling them to always 
leave cellular completely turned off regardless if they are on wifi or not. I 
find that extremely perplexing, as why the hell would you want your cellular to 
always be off. O, Kayyy. I know places where yes, you may want it off, but not 
100% of the time. Come on! Really?

I don't doubt what they're telling me Verizon said to them, and honestly, it 
doesn't exactly surprise me that a rep would a told them this, but I will 
leavbe my personal opinions out, and spare you all.

Anyway, how else do I explain how that cellualr screen works, and what it does?

Also, they're wonderring in that screen at the veryh bottom what wifi assist is.

I wish they'd leave that stuff back their alone, as I know what's probably 
gonna happen. They're gonna start turning stuff on/off then will dm me on 
Twitter and be like, Chris, why is X, y, and Z not working? Then, I'm gonna be 
lost, as I don't know what they shut on and off.

I keep telling them, if it isn't broken, don't try fixing it, but, they wanna 
obviously be adventurous, which is fine, to a point, but why ask me what 
something does, if you're only then gonna turn around and say, well, not 
according to what x person/persons tell/tells me.

I mean, Gawod! Why're you asking me my opinion if you're then gonna say, not 
true from what I hear. They tell me they believe me, but, if they do, then why 
do they contradict every blessid thing I say? I don't clame to know everything, 
no, and I have no issues with getting 2nd opinions, but that's really rude when 
asked for help, I provide, then you turn around in my face and say well, that's 
not true according to whoever intity. If you think what I'm saying isn't gonna 
be true, then why're you asking me to start with!

OK, rant over.

Does anyone know how better to explain this screen, and maybe why ideally, 
you'd want to leave cellular on? Does anyone know further how to convince this 
person that as long as they're on a wifi network, that they're not eating up 
their 6GB data? I'm! obviously not gonna convince them, and frankly, I'm tired 
of trying to do so, with all due respect to them. Smile.

Chris.

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Re: Text message forwarding on iphone SE

[E.T.]

   Signing out of iCloud is indeed the fix. I think I signed out of all 
my devices then set them up again, been a while but it did work.


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 11/2/2016 1:34 AM, Andrew Lamanche wrote:

Hi,

I've had some issues with text messages forwarding between my iphone SE and my 
macbook pro.  I looked in settings / messages / text message forwarding on the 
iphone where the devices to which text messages are forwarded are enabled.  I 
can see that I have multiple exampels of the same macbook listed there.  I 
wonder whether it's because I've done a few clean installs of OS operating 
system on two macbooks and they persist there in the list although they 
actually do not exist.  Is there a way of refreshing the list?  I thought I 
could just sign out of icloud for it to happen but I received a warning message 
that if I were to sign out of icloud, all my cards will be removed from Apple 
pay, and it seemed too great a price to proceed.  So I'm asking, has anyone 
else encountered this issue and is there another way of removing the unwanted 
devices from the list altogether?  The thing is it's difficult to tell when 
flicking through the list which of the devices are real and which are not.

Many thanks

Andrew



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Selecting view on the iphone.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think there was a change view button on my Iphone 6S when i had that.
Now i want to change the view on the Iphone SE i have.
But i can not find a way to change the view from standard to zoom.
Is this maybe not on the iphone SE.
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Re: MacBook doesn't go to sleep when lid closed in OS Sierra

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Can it be that the pram needs to be reset or the smc?
Not sure but it may worth looking in to.
/A
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 09:20, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Same here.  Internet sharing is off, various energy aspects are off too as 
> waking the computer for various activities, and yet the issue does still 
> happen.
> 
> Worryingly, the Accessibility Team at Apple has responded to my report by 
> saying that they cannot reproduce the issue and advised me to speak to the UK 
> support team.  I'm just nervous now to close the lid so when going out or 
> last thing at night I shut my macbook pro altogether.  This is not what it 
> should be like.  At least I'm comforted that it is not only me.  On my late 
> 2010 Macbook air, I decided to downgrade to El Capitan.  Lots of work but my 
> macbook air performs better now.  With my mid 2014 macbook pro, I have 
> decided to leave Sierra hoping that future upgrades can solve the sleep issue.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 2 Nov 2016, at 03:16, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> Internet sharing is off, but issue persist
>> 
>> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:37 AM Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> Hi!
>> Also go to sharing in system prefs and uncheck the internet sharing checkbox.
>> That helped me with my mac mini.
>> /A
>> 
>>> On 31 Oct 2016, at 05:22, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I haven't experienced this exact issue, but have noticed that my MBP takes 
>>> an extra 30 seconds or so to go to sleep.  I close the lid, then can tell 
>>> that stuff is still happening, but it does wind down after about 30 
>>> seconds.  For those of you with Apple Watches and other devices that 
>>> continue speaking with your Mac, or with machines that are Power Nap 
>>> capable, you may wish to go under the Power Adaptor tab of Energy Saver in 
>>> System Prefs, and uncheck the box that reads "Wake for Network Access".  
>>> This may help the issue.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 21:22, Kevin Chao >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've observed this (Apple Watch will unlock Mac, BLuetooth headset will 
>>> connect, and Alex will continue talking)and haven't figure out a solution 
>>> other than unplugging charger (end up with dead Mac)
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:21 PM Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> There’s also a checkbox under energy savings and power that controls sleep 
>>> behavior as in what can or can’t wake up the device.  I haven’t noticed 
>>> this problem but I usually click on the sleep option under the apple before 
>>> closing the lid.
>>> 
>>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Brandon A. Olivares 
>>> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My wife is having the same issue. We’ve found it helps if she unplugs the 
>>> > laptop before shutting it. She can then plug it back in if she wants to, 
>>> > and it still stays sleeping.
>>> >> On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche >> >> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi,
>>> >>
>>> >> Yet another difficulty I experience after upgrade to Sierra is that 
>>> >> neither my old MacBook Air nor my 2014 MacBook pro go to sleep when I 
>>> >> close the lid.  Once the lid is closed, Voiceover keeps repeating rotor 
>>> >> menu items.  The only way I can put it to sleep if I want to close the 
>>> >> lid is to switch of trackpad commander.  This makes me think that 
>>> >> there’s something wrong here.  If the trackpad is on for Voiceover use, 
>>> >> when I close the lid, it prevents the mac from sleeping.  Any 
>>> >> experiences like this from anyone else?
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew
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Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

[Terje Strømberg]

Personally i mostly do normal things on the mac that do not require more than 
16GB ram. I put 32GB in the iMac because the ram was relatively cheap from 
Crucial. I do use Audirvana 2 plus for flac. high res music. The music is 
stored in ram before playback. To my surprice only about 1GB was loaded into 
ram before playback even though i interacted with the songs by hitting next - 
next - next to see if more songs was loaded into ram. 

One day, by mistake, i converted about 60GB of flac. audio to mpeg. audio. Then 
things happened in the iMac. late 2012. Fan speed at 100%, 30GB  ram was 
loaded, about 30% cpu usage, took about 30 minutes or less (don’t remember). 
What a day. Excitement about the machine. Conerting files goes faster with more 
ram. If you are pressed for time. Downloading files from the internet uses much 
cpu. Encrypt hard drive may be done faster with next generation cpu. Don’t use 
much ram when encrypting or downloading is my personal experience., but when 
converting audio files, Wow!!

Take care


> 2. nov. 2016 kl. 04.37 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper 
> prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16 
> GB of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do 
> something that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
>> So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten  wrote:
>> In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a 
>> limitation, I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks 
>> like Intel, not Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of 
>> the limitations.
>> Mary
>> Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM 
>> issues in new MacBook Pro
>> AppleInsider
>> 
>>  The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified, 
>> clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like limited 
>> Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation 
>> began about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple 
>> made, which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some 
>> choices, many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has placed 
>> on the company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.
>> 
>> Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro
>> 
>> The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified 
>> as the 6360U processor. The 6360U launched in the third quarter of 2015, 
>> using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest of the processors in the new 
>> MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency of 3.1 GHz.
>> 
>> Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core 
>> processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.
>> 
>> An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4 
>> GHz i7 6567U processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design 
>> power of 28W.
>> 
>> 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models
>> 
>> The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model 
>> has a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz 
>> dual i5 6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the 
>> dual-Thunderbolt version.
>> 
>> The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 
>> 28W. An upgrade to the 6287U dual i5 will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 
>> GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal design power as the other upgrade 
>> processors.
>> 
>> 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt
>> 
>> The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also has a choice of three 
>> processors —the 6700HQ 2.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz 6820HQ, and 2.9 GHz 6920HQ. Peak 
>> turbo speeds are 3.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, and 3.8 GHz, respectively.
>> 
>> All three of the quad-core processors have a 45-watt thermal design power, 
>> and 16 PCI-e lanes.
>> 
>> Implications of Skylake in the MacBook Pro
>> 
>> All three of the quad-core processors available in the new 15-inch MacBook 
>> Pro have 16 PCI-e lanes, which is what allows for for max Thunderbolt 
>> bandwidth on the 15-inch model. Related, the 12 lanes on the 13-inch models 
>> are responsible for the "reduced bandwidth" on the right-hand side ports on 
>> the 13-inch MacBook Pro.
>> 
>> Additionally, the quad-core Kaby Lake processor still having not seen the 
>> light of day has caused other problems that are being attributed to Apple, 
>> and not as having been foisted upon the company by Intel. For low power 
>> consumption, Skylake only supports LPDDR3, which is limited to 16 gigabytes.
>> 
>> LPDDR4 will not be supported in 

Re: Article: Apple on target for October MacBook Release

[Saqib Hussain]

Hi. I am disappointed that there is no update to the Mac Mini line. I’m using 
the 2014 model and was hoping to upgrade again next year! I think the desktop 
is dead for sure now. There is no way I’m shelling out over £2000 for an up to 
date machine with a touch bar. 
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 23:07, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> One thing I'll miss from MagSafe 2 is the magnetic connect/disconnect. 
> However, I'm ecited about USB-C, as I've 64-watt and other USB-c power 
> adapters/cables everywhere.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 11:00 PM Maria Chapman  > wrote:
> Hmmm I run a usb hub and wireless headphones that run on usb.  Will there be 
> adaptors available to still be able to run devices?
> 
> Maria
> 
> > On 19 Oct 2016, at 4:03 AM, Scott Granados  > > wrote:
> >
> > Found this article on redmond pie and it seemed totally on topic to 
> > discuss.  Includes expectations about the up coming release of the laptops 
> > including the end of the MacBook air 11, the 12 Inch MacBook taking the 
> > place of the 11 inch air, the continuation and upgrade of the MacBook air 
> > 13, and changes to the MacBook Pro..  The article notes the source has a 
> > hit and miss record with rumors, it does indicate that it matches other 
> > reports from more reliable sources so it seems worth reading.  I’d be 
> > interested in comments, I’m not sure I like all the proposed changes.
> >   The changes include an OLED light bar (I assume in place of function 
> > keys), no more mag safe adapter, no more USB, and what’s being included is 
> > USB-C (I do like this) (Thunderbolt 3 (Apple always has to provide a little 
> > bit different but proprietary port that’s a little faster, just because) 
> > and the power button has the fingerprint Censor (I like it).
> > What do you all think?
> >
> > Read more here.
> > http://www.redmondpie.com/2016-macbook-pro-still-on-track-for-october-launch-will-feature-usb-c-and-thunderbolt-3/
> >  
> > 
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Re: iTunes update issue

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

I re-enabled it after, but who knows what happens with the next update.  I am 
on Sierra 
so that could be a difference.
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 9:59 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> The odd thing is, that widget doesn't seem to be in my widgets area under 
> extensions in the first place. When I tried to update, I didn't have to 
> uncheck anything. Maybe I got lucky, but it just seemed to work over here.
> 
> Could it be the difference in me being on El Capitan and not Sierra on this 
> particular machine?
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> - Original Message - From: "Blee Blat" 
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> 
> 
>> You would just need to have it disabled for the update I'd think. Then you 
>> could re-enable the widget as you like I'd guess.
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Text message forwarding on iphone SE

[Andrew Lamanche]

Hi,

I've had some issues with text messages forwarding between my iphone SE and my 
macbook pro.  I looked in settings / messages / text message forwarding on the 
iphone where the devices to which text messages are forwarded are enabled.  I 
can see that I have multiple exampels of the same macbook listed there.  I 
wonder whether it's because I've done a few clean installs of OS operating 
system on two macbooks and they persist there in the list although they 
actually do not exist.  Is there a way of refreshing the list?  I thought I 
could just sign out of icloud for it to happen but I received a warning message 
that if I were to sign out of icloud, all my cards will be removed from Apple 
pay, and it seemed too great a price to proceed.  So I'm asking, has anyone 
else encountered this issue and is there another way of removing the unwanted 
devices from the list altogether?  The thing is it's difficult to tell when 
flicking through the list which of the devices are real and which are not.

Many thanks

Andrew

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Re: MacBook doesn't go to sleep when lid closed in OS Sierra

[Andrew Lamanche]

Same here.  Internet sharing is off, various energy aspects are off too as 
waking the computer for various activities, and yet the issue does still happen.

Worryingly, the Accessibility Team at Apple has responded to my report by 
saying that they cannot reproduce the issue and advised me to speak to the UK 
support team.  I'm just nervous now to close the lid so when going out or last 
thing at night I shut my macbook pro altogether.  This is not what it should be 
like.  At least I'm comforted that it is not only me.  On my late 2010 Macbook 
air, I decided to downgrade to El Capitan.  Lots of work but my macbook air 
performs better now.  With my mid 2014 macbook pro, I have decided to leave 
Sierra hoping that future upgrades can solve the sleep issue.

Andrew
> On 2 Nov 2016, at 03:16, Kevin Chao  wrote:
> 
> Internet sharing is off, but issue persist
> 
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:37 AM Anders Holmberg  > wrote:
> Hi!
> Also go to sharing in system prefs and uncheck the internet sharing checkbox.
> That helped me with my mac mini.
> /A
> 
>> On 31 Oct 2016, at 05:22, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I haven't experienced this exact issue, but have noticed that my MBP takes 
>> an extra 30 seconds or so to go to sleep.  I close the lid, then can tell 
>> that stuff is still happening, but it does wind down after about 30 seconds. 
>>  For those of you with Apple Watches and other devices that continue 
>> speaking with your Mac, or with machines that are Power Nap capable, you may 
>> wish to go under the Power Adaptor tab of Energy Saver in System Prefs, and 
>> uncheck the box that reads "Wake for Network Access".  This may help the 
>> issue.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 21:22, Kevin Chao > > wrote:
>> 
>> I've observed this (Apple Watch will unlock Mac, BLuetooth headset will 
>> connect, and Alex will continue talking)and haven't figure out a solution 
>> other than unplugging charger (end up with dead Mac)
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 1:21 PM Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> There’s also a checkbox under energy savings and power that controls sleep 
>> behavior as in what can or can’t wake up the device.  I haven’t noticed this 
>> problem but I usually click on the sleep option under the apple before 
>> closing the lid.
>> 
>> > On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:18 PM, Brandon A. Olivares > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > My wife is having the same issue. We’ve found it helps if she unplugs the 
>> > laptop before shutting it. She can then plug it back in if she wants to, 
>> > and it still stays sleeping.
>> >> On Oct 30, 2016, at 4:17 PM, Andrew Lamanche > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> Yet another difficulty I experience after upgrade to Sierra is that 
>> >> neither my old MacBook Air nor my 2014 MacBook pro go to sleep when I 
>> >> close the lid.  Once the lid is closed, Voiceover keeps repeating rotor 
>> >> menu items.  The only way I can put it to sleep if I want to close the 
>> >> lid is to switch of trackpad commander.  This makes me think that there’s 
>> >> something wrong here.  If the trackpad is on for Voiceover use, when I 
>> >> close the lid, it prevents the mac from sleeping.  Any experiences like 
>> >> this from anyone else?
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
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RE: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah put a quad core processor in a 13inch mac book pro, and 32gig ram would 
make  me happier.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 5:04 PM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind 
Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

I could use 32 GB today to run more virtual machines at the same time.  I’d 
like to be able to run 20 at a time or more.
I would think a lot of film editors and other people would have a 
use for it.

What I found most interesting about the article is how similar the chips are 
even I5 and I7.  I suspect they are all the same chip just different grades, 
one that grades a little better is pushed up the line and so forth.  The chip 
game is a very interesting and in some ways difficult to understand game on 
that level.


On Nov 1, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Mary Otten 
> wrote:

Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper 
prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16 GB 
of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do something 
that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao 
> wrote:
So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten 
> wrote:
In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a limitation, 
I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks like Intel, not 
Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of the limitations.
Mary
Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM 
issues in new MacBook Pro
AppleInsider

 The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified, 
clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like limited 
Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
[http://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/18844-18371-mbp-top-l.jpg]


After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation began 
about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple made, 
which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some choices, 
many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has placed on the 
company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.

Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro

The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified as 
the 6360U processor. The 6360U 
launched
 in the third quarter of 2015, using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest of 
the processors in the new MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency of 3.1 
GHz.

Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core 
processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.

An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4 GHz 
i7 
6567U
 processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 28W.

13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models

The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model has 
a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz dual i5 
6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the dual-Thunderbolt 
version.

The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 
GHz,
 and has a thermal design power of 28W. An upgrade to the 6287U dual 
i5
 will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal 
design power as the other upgrade processors.

15-inch quad-Thunderbolt

The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also has a choice of three processors 
—the 
6700HQ
 2.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz 
6820HQ,
 and 2.9 GHz 
6920HQ.
 Peak turbo speeds are 3.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, and 3.8 GHz, respectively.

All three of the quad-core processors have a 45-watt thermal design power, and 
16 PCI-e lanes.

Implications of Skylake in the MacBook Pro

All three of the quad-core processors available in the new 15-inch MacBook Pro 
have 16 PCI-e lanes, which is what allows for for max Thunderbolt bandwidth on 
the 

RE: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

[Simon Fogarty]

Run multiple vm machines with approx. 6 gig ram in each.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 4:37 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind 
Thunderbolt 3 & RAM issues in new MacBook Pro

Well, according to what I was reading today, next year. Better chip, cheaper 
prices. And frankly, what does the average person do that needs more than 16 GB 
of RAM? You say we will have to wait, as though you are going to do something 
that requires more than 16 GB. What would that be, really?
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2016, at 8:21 PM, Kevin Chao 
> wrote:
So, we'll have to wait ~2 years for >= 32GB RAM. Thanks Intel!

On Mon, Oct 31, 2016 at 11:20 AM Mary Otten 
> wrote:
In light of some discussion about the new MacBook Pro and the ram a limitation, 
I thought people might find this article interesting. It looks like Intel, not 
Apple, is to blame, if you want to call it that, for some of the limitations.
Mary
Intel's chip design, not Apple's choices, reason behind Thunderbolt 3 & RAM 
issues in new MacBook Pro
AppleInsider

 The processors in the new 2016 MacBook Pro line have been identified, 
clarifying why some of the limitations surrounding the machine —like limited 
Thunderbolt 3 bandwidth on some models —exist.
[http://photos5.appleinsider.com/gallery/18844-18371-mbp-top-l.jpg]


After the furor of the initial "Hello Again" event died down, speculation began 
about the new MacBook Pro line, and seeming design choices that Apple made, 
which some believe compromise the machine. While Apple did make some choices, 
many of them were dictated by the limitations that Intel has placed on the 
company while the Kaby Lake processor family develops.

Skylake in the 13-inch 2016 MacBook Pro

The base-model dual-Thunderbolt 3 2.0 i5 GHz processor has been identified as 
the 6360U processor. The 6360U 
launched
 in the third quarter of 2015, using Intel's 14nm process as with the rest of 
the processors in the new MacBook pro, and has a maximum turbo frequency of 3.1 
GHz.

Thermal design power on the chip is 15W, and it, like all the dual-core 
processors across the MacBook Pro line has a maximum of 12 PCI-E channels.

An upgrade option for the 13-inch dual-Thunderbolt machine is the dual 2.4 GHz 
i7 
6567U
 processor. It has a peak of 3.6 GHz, and has a thermal design power of 28W.

13-inch quad-Thunderbolt models

The 13-inch quad-Thunderbolt 3 has three processor choices —the base model has 
a 2.9 GHz dual i5 6267U processor, with upgrade options for a 3.1 GHz dual i5 
6287U, or the same 3.3 GHz dual i7 6567U as found in the dual-Thunderbolt 
version.

The i5 6267U has a max speed of 3.3 
GHz,
 and has a thermal design power of 28W. An upgrade to the 6287U dual 
i5
 will give the user a peak speed of 3.5 GHz, with the same 28-watt thermal 
design power as the other upgrade processors.

15-inch quad-Thunderbolt

The 15-inch quad-Thunderbolt MacBook Pro also has a choice of three processors 
—the 
6700HQ
 2.6 GHz, 2.7 GHz 
6820HQ,
 and 2.9 GHz 
6920HQ.
 Peak turbo speeds are 3.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, and 3.8 GHz, respectively.

All three of the quad-core processors have a 45-watt thermal design power, and 
16 PCI-e lanes.

Implications of Skylake in the MacBook Pro

All three of the quad-core processors available in the new 15-inch MacBook Pro 
have 16 PCI-e lanes, which is what allows for for max Thunderbolt bandwidth on 
the 15-inch model. Related, the 12 lanes on the 13-inch models are responsible 
for the "reduced 
bandwidth"
 on the right-hand side ports on the 13-inch MacBook Pro.

Additionally, the quad-core Kaby Lake processor still having not seen the light 
of day has caused other problems that are being attributed to Apple, and not as 
having been foisted upon the company by Intel. For low power consumption, 
Skylake only supports LPDDR3, which is limited to 16 gigabytes.

LPDDR4 will not be supported in MacBook Pro-bound Kaby Lake quad-core 
processors until possibly the end of 2017, 

RE: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris, not a silly things,

 Or get the model from about this ipOd and  do a search in google for th e 
model 

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 7:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

Get the serial of the device, call Apple, and ask 'em?
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- Original Message - 
From: "Andrew Lamanche" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex


> Hi,
>
> How can I tell whether I have 5th or 6th gen. iPod touch?
>
> Andrew
>> On 1 Nov 2016, at 16:36, Scott Davert  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andrew.
>> if you have the 6th gen, yes, this should be achieved using the same
>> method you did on your SE. But if you have an iPod 5, Alex is not
>> available on that.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 11/1/16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is for 
>>> the
>>> life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my voice.
>>> I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, Voiceover 
>>> and
>>> speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand Daniel, and 
>>> Samantha
>>> is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have managed to enable him on 
>>> my
>>> iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please help!  Ipod touch is supposed 
>>> to
>>> have the A8 chip so it should be possible.  Or maybe not?
>>>
>>> Andrew
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RE: Ipod touch latest and Alex

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Andrew,

 Just to correct donna slightly,

 The fifth and sixth gen are both the same physical size,

 16 gig devices don't have a camera on it's, the 64 and 128 gig which is a 
sixth gen do have a camera.

 The fifth gen also had a carry strap for the ipOd,
 This connected to a little push pin thing on the back right hand bottom corner 
 which if you push in with your finger tip and it pops out, vise versa to put 
it in.


The sixth gen doesn't have this pin thing.

 The sixth gen appears to have the volume buttons slightly lower than the fifth 
gen,
But unless of course you have both you wont notice this ..

And as donna said the fifth gen wont update to IOS 10..

 Oh and they didn't put the fifth gen out in a 128 gig version.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016 7:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ipod touch latest and Alex

Andrew,

The 5 is smaller than the 6.  The 6 looks kind of like an iPhone 6S, but I 
think it may be a bit thinner.  Also, check and see what software version you 
are running.  the 5 does not run IOS 10.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Nov 1, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> How can I tell whether I have 5th or 6th gen. iPod touch?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 1 Nov 2016, at 16:36, Scott Davert  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew.
>> if you have the 6th gen, yes, this should be achieved using the same 
>> method you did on your SE. But if you have an iPod 5, Alex is not 
>> available on that.
>> 
>> Scott
>> 
>> On 11/1/16, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Lucky me!  I have got an iPod touch for my birthday.  The trouble is 
>>> for the life of me I can't work out how to download and enable Alex as my 
>>> voice.
>>> I've been through accessibility, and voices, accessibility, 
>>> Voiceover and speech, but I still cannot work it out.  I can't stand 
>>> Daniel, and Samantha is tolerable but my favourite is Alex.  I have 
>>> managed to enable him on my iphone SE but ipod touch? No go.  Please 
>>> help!  Ipod touch is supposed to have the A8 chip so it should be possible. 
>>>  Or maybe not?
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>> 
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