Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Kliphton Miller]

Scott, what net gear router would you recommend for the average home user, who 
wants good range, and a secure network that has an accessible UI?
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 11:23 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Everything is going to go to a WiFi standard I suspect.  With AD coming out 
> for high speed in room access and AC becoming pervasive it makes sense to 
> handle everything natively over WiFi.  You can also prioritize each class of 
> data nicely.
> 
> Bluetooth won’t be the spec, it’s to short range.  Only 10 meters or so and 
> 15 - 20 meters at most depending on the class of transmitter used.  WiFi has 
> you out to 100+ meters even more in some conditions.  I’ve done 30 miles 
> point to point with 5 GHZ WiFi outside on towers.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, the airport express works extremely well for this, and I don't know any 
>> other way to airplay enable an older system.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Brent Harding > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use 
>>> to bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it 
>>> had. I don't know that other routers have that.
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Scott Granados 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
>>> Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors
>>> 
>>> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
>>> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
>>> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but 
>>> I was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
>>> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
>>> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They were good products though.
>>> 
 On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder > wrote:
 
 I think that this is really bad news.
 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

Everything is going to go to a WiFi standard I suspect.  With AD coming out for 
high speed in room access and AC becoming pervasive it makes sense to handle 
everything natively over WiFi.  You can also prioritize each class of data 
nicely.

Bluetooth won’t be the spec, it’s to short range.  Only 10 meters or so and 15 
- 20 meters at most depending on the class of transmitter used.  WiFi has you 
out to 100+ meters even more in some conditions.  I’ve done 30 miles point to 
point with 5 GHZ WiFi outside on towers.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:30 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes, the airport express works extremely well for this, and I don't know any 
> other way to airplay enable an older system.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Brent Harding  > wrote:
> 
>> I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use 
>> to bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it 
>> had. I don't know that other routers have that.
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Scott Granados 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
>> Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors
>> 
>> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
>> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
>> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but 
>> I was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
>> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
>> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
>> 
>> 
>> They were good products though.
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that this is really bad news.
>>> 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
 
>>> 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

The Netgear stuff is very doable.  They make some highly rated routers now.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:38 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of the 
> time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
>> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
>> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but 
>> I was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
>> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
>> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
>> 
>> 
>> They were good products though.
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that this is really bad news.
>>> 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

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On 11/21/2016 7:38 PM, Kliphton Miller wrote:

How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of
the time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:

Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like
the airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.
 I personally use a different router and use the airports as access
points but I was just starting to think it was getting long in the
tooth and head in another direction like a new TP Link AD router or
Netgear model which have much much more advanced WiFi features now.


They were good products though.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder > wrote:

I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/



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Re: VM from Bootcamp on a different machine?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Yes, VMWare Fusion does have a migration tool to migrate from a windows 
computer. My test lab staff did the migration for me from my HP laptop. I did 
have to uninstall some drivers on the VM using a remote terminal session before 
control-alt-delete would work. Also, if the your windows software is 
manufacturer installed, it is probably against the license agreement to 
transfer to a different machine.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn 



> On Nov 21, 2016, at 10:21 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Alex, I’m sure there’s a cleaner way of doing this but let me offer you a 
> suggestion.  Why not build the VM with the assistant first with a new install 
> of windows then share over your network the contents of the boot camp 
> partition you wish to keep then copy across what you want to keep in the new 
> VM.  You get the benefit of a clean install with out all the extra drivers 
> and such and you get a means that’s accessible.  There’s probably a more 
> direct way of doing this, possibly Simon can respond as he seems quite 
> skilled in this area or any number of other folks here but for me that’s 
> probably how I’d go about it with out knowing a more built in method.
> 
> Just my $.02
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:00 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have a Mac Mini on which is a Bootcamp partition. This weekend I'm getting 
>> the new MacBook Pro and getting rid of the Mini. What I'd like to do is use 
>> VMWare on the Mac instead of Bootcamp, as rebooting just to do a quick task 
>> in Windows is annoying. However, I want to keep what I have in Bootcamp, if 
>> possible. Can I somehow use the Bootcamp partition on the Mini to create a 
>> virtual machine on the MacBook drive? If so, how might this be done, and is 
>> the whole process accessible? Thanks.
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Re: can't close preview pane in Mail on new MBP?

[Jonathan Cohn]

Alex,

I can provide you the AppleScript I wrote to do this with UI Scripting. I only 
tested it with El Capitan. The code first drops the user into classic view then 
changes the position of the scroll bar and then switches back to standard view. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hi all,
> I'm very excited to say that I just took possession of a 2016 MacBook Pro 
> with TouchBar. I'm running into an odd problem, though: the preview pane in 
> Mail won't close to less than 25%. I like to close it completely, so that 
> messages stay unread if I arrow past them. Is there anything I can try to 
> close it further? The VO commands work to open it, and to close it to 25%, so 
> I know I'm affecting it. It just stops moving at 25% for some reason. Thanks.
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I used a Netgear back in the days, and found it to be quite doable. Unless 
things have changed, they're not that bad.
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  From: Kliphton Miller 
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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 10:38 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of the 
time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados  
wrote:


Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now.




They were good products though.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


  I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Kliphton Miller]

How accessible are those net gear routers?  I loved the accessibility of the 
time capsule, hope they release some firnwhear updates at least.
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:49 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
> airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I 
> personally use a different router and use the airports as access points but I 
> was just starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in 
> another direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have 
> much much more advanced WiFi features now.
> 
> 
> They were good products though.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder > > wrote:
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>> I think that this is really bad news.
>> 
>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa, yeah! True! I totally forgot about the line in jack.

Well, the Play 5's have line in, so you wouldn't totally be screwed. I get that 
it would be more expensive. I never said it would be the most ideal, I only 
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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 8:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use 
to bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it had. I 
don't know that other routers have that.

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now. 




They were good products though.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


  I think that this is really bad news. 


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I could see Airplay going away. I mean, it's not universal. It's generally not 
cross platform. Look at what Sonos is doing by simply using standard wifi. Not 
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  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  I'm still using an old 4th gen and it still works like a charm.
  I never had any other brand last this long.  Then there's the question of the 
future of air play.


  On Nov 21, 2016, at 16:57, Scott Granados  wrote:


  Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have job 
security.;)


  As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.


  Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was hoping 
for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:


Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. 
I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a Mac 
was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
setting up routers.
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  I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: Trying this again. Wanting to install windows in a boot camp partition from a vm. Can this be done without sited help.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi matthew, I'm afraid not. If you want to make a virtual machine from the 
Bootcamp partition, you have to set up your Bootcamp partition first, including 
getting Windows up and running, then you can use Fusion to create a virtual 
machine to run that partition in MacOS.
This is completely separate from any virtual machine you have now that was 
created from within MacOS.
There's lots of very helpful stuff in the VMWare knowledge-base about this.
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> On 22/11/2016, at 9:32 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, I already have a vm with windows 10.  Are you saying I could tell 
> vmware to create  or install to the boot camp partition?  For some reason I 
> am told that the partition could not be resized or somerthing to that affect. 
>  I am using mac os extended journaled so not sure what is going on though.  I 
> did managed to get windows 10 on to the usb drive.  What is the deal?  Am i 
> missing something.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2016 05:45 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Matthew, you first need to set up Bootcamp, then you can use VMWare 
>> Fusion to make a virtual machine from the Bootcamp partition. I've not done 
>> this yet since at present my VM runs side-by-side with OS X, but I've been 
>> reading about this on the VMWare site recently, and it looks quite similar 
>> to setting up any other VM. My hunch is it's doable without sighted 
>> assistance but I don't know for certain.
>> The advantage of it is that when you are using Windows apps that are 
>> resource-intensive or where latency in a standard VM might be an issue, you 
>> can boot fully into Windows. For apps that require authorisation, it looks 
>> like you may need to authorise some of them twice, since effectively they're 
>> two different Windows machines.
>> Would be interesting to know how folks are getting on with this 
>> configuration.
>> Jonathan Mosen
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>>> On 21/11/2016, at 5:11 AM, matthew dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Trying this again as my message bounced when sending this message this 
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a windows 10 home vm which I want to use in a boot camp partition.  
>>> This can be done without sited help?  I was playing with the boot camp 
>>> assistant lastnight and found that if I have a usb drive connected it will 
>>> download a set of drivers for windows.  I did not see an opsion to hav e it 
>>> install from a vm. I am either missing something or perhaps you get the 
>>> opsion later in the prosses.  Anyone tred this without sited help annd how 
>>> did you do this.  I am using an imac 21 inch with a 1TB HD.  Thanks.
>>> 
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>>> Matthew
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Brent Harding]

I think it was the Airport Express that Sonos and others recommended to use to 
bring Airplay audio into other setups by way of that line out jack it had. I 
don't know that other routers have that.

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  Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 4:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as 
Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors


  Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now.




  They were good products though.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


I think that this is really bad news.


  http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/




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Re: can't close preview pane in Mail on new MBP?

[Tim Kilburn]

Try a double-click on the Splitter.  Either with the simulated VO click or on 
your Trackpad.

Later...

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On Nov 21, 2016, at 18:06, Alex Hall  wrote:

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can't close preview pane in Mail on new MBP?

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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[E.T.]

   If this is what is called "sin" then count me in. We can always drag 
out the calorie counters on Black Friday. That soon? Black Friday 2017, 
that soon enough? Now where are those cheesecakes


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On 11/21/2016 3:04 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Oh definitely, for you Scott you would want the double crème brûlée
stuff baklava whatever the most possible complicated thing could be. And
you're welcome to it. Smile.
Mary


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On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados > wrote:


Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I
have job security.;)

As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.

Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was
hoping for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:

Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple
routers. I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one
of those on a Mac was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of
cake when it comes to setting up routers.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Barry Hadder > wrote:


I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/



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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

Hahaha in all seriousness I’m completely down for very easy to use home models 
and for that matter with very good easy to set up security options.  I’d much 
rather see a more secure home and that made as simple as possible for the end 
user.  People like my mother who shouldn’t have to depend on the free tech 
support from her son to set up her home network.

There’s plenty of room for the double cream filled option up stream in the 
provider networks.  Sometimes, that simplicity down stream comes with more 
complexity up stream.  Until google builds a network engineering robot I should 
be fine.  (Although I’m sure that’s in the works)

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Oh definitely, for you Scott you would want the double crème brûlée stuff 
> baklava whatever the most possible complicated thing could be. And you're 
> welcome to it. Smile.
> Mary
> 
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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
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>> Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have 
>> job security.;)
>> 
>> As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.
>> 
>> Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was 
>> hoping for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. 
>>> I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a 
>>> Mac was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes 
>>> to setting up routers.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Barry Hadder >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I think that this is really bad news.
 
> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Karen Lewellen]

I have to agree, so flexible across machines too.  One of the rich 
interchangeable things making Apple so reliable.

Sad this is taking place to be sure.


On Mon, 21 Nov 2016, Mary Otten wrote:


Well I'm really sorry to see it happen. I was hoping for new Apple routers. I 
know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a Mac 
was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
setting up routers.
Mary


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I think that this is really bad news.


http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/



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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

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Oh definitely, for you Scott you would want the double crème brûlée stuff 
baklava whatever the most possible complicated thing could be. And you're 
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Mary


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> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:57 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have job 
> security.;)
> 
> As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.
> 
> Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was hoping 
> for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
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>> I know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a 
>> Mac was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
>> setting up routers.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 21, 2016, at 2:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think that this is really bad news.
>>> 
 http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Barry Hadder]

I'm still using an old 4th gen and it still works like a charm.
I never had any other brand last this long.  Then there's the question of the 
future of air play.

On Nov 21, 2016, at 16:57, Scott Granados  wrote:

Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have job 
security.;)

As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.

Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was hoping 
for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  > wrote:
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> know they charge more than some others. But setting up one of those on a Mac 
> was a total piece of cake. I'm all about pieces of cake when it comes to 
> setting up routers.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

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Put me down in the complicated puff pastry category for routers so I have job 
security.;)

As long as the major backbone routers stay complicated well I’ll be good.

Seriously though, the airport was one of the easiest to set up.  I was hoping 
for a nice MIMO TRI band option but I guess that’s not to be.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> setting up routers.
> Mary
> 
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> Sent from my iPhone
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RIP AirPort? Apple may abandon wireless routers and Time Capsule

[Dan D.]

http://www.macworld.com/article/3143604/hardware/rip-airport-apple-may-abandon-wireless-routers-and-time-capsule.html#tk.rss_all

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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

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Re: Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Scott Granados]

Well I’m not sure it’s a real big deal.  Granted I have, use and like the 
airport routers a lot but they aren’t really that full featured.  I personally 
use a different router and use the airports as access points but I was just 
starting to think it was getting long in the tooth and head in another 
direction like a new TP Link AD router or Netgear model which have much much 
more advanced WiFi features now.


They were good products though.

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
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> I think that this is really bad news.
> 
>> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products - Mac Rumors

[Barry Hadder]

I think that this is really bad news.

> http://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/ 
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Apple offers free iPhone 6S battery replacement

[Dan D.]

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-free-iphone-6s-battery-replacement-unexpected-shut-down/#ftag=CAD590a51e

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Re: Trying this again. Wanting to install windows in a boot camp partition from a vm. Can this be done without sited help.

[Scott Granados]

Mathew, it’s a matter of file systems.  Mac OS is different from fat 32 which 
is what your usb disk probably is.  You need a fat 32 partition or similar to 
run windows on natively.  In the case of vmware, the virtualization engine 
creates a file that acts like the file system.  It’s sort of nested or hosted 
on your Mac OS partition but the vmware application plays the middle man here.  
Bootcamp has no such deal because it’s running windows natively so it has to be 
on a file system that windows supports.

Let me know if that makes sense or if I’ve confused things worse.

Thank you

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 3:32 PM, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Jonathan, I already have a vm with windows 10.  Are you saying I could tell 
> vmware to create  or install to the boot camp partition?  For some reason I 
> am told that the partition could not be resized or somerthing to that affect. 
>  I am using mac os extended journaled so not sure what is going on though.  I 
> did managed to get windows 10 on to the usb drive.  What is the deal?  Am i 
> missing something.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/2016 05:45 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote:
>> Hi Matthew, you first need to set up Bootcamp, then you can use VMWare 
>> Fusion to make a virtual machine from the Bootcamp partition. I've not done 
>> this yet since at present my VM runs side-by-side with OS X, but I've been 
>> reading about this on the VMWare site recently, and it looks quite similar 
>> to setting up any other VM. My hunch is it's doable without sighted 
>> assistance but I don't know for certain.
>> The advantage of it is that when you are using Windows apps that are 
>> resource-intensive or where latency in a standard VM might be an issue, you 
>> can boot fully into Windows. For apps that require authorisation, it looks 
>> like you may need to authorise some of them twice, since effectively they're 
>> two different Windows machines.
>> Would be interesting to know how folks are getting on with this 
>> configuration.
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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>>> On 21/11/2016, at 5:11 AM, matthew dyer >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Trying this again as my message bounced when sending this message this 
>>> morning.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a windows 10 home vm which I want to use in a boot camp partition.  
>>> This can be done without sited help?  I was playing with the boot camp 
>>> assistant lastnight and found that if I have a usb drive connected it will 
>>> download a set of drivers for windows.  I did not see an opsion to hav e it 
>>> install from a vm. I am either missing something or perhaps you get the 
>>> opsion later in the prosses.  Anyone tred this without sited help annd how 
>>> did you do this.  I am using an imac 21 inch with a 1TB HD.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
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Re: 4 G is turned off for some reason.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I didn't give them my IMEI number last time and it worked on the 6 plus S.  
They also told me that if I ever made a call they would get to know what type 
of phone I was using.  I'll call them tomorrow Scott.

Thanks so much for your help.

Kawal.
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> Kawal, you may have to call your carrier and have the IMEI updated on there 
> end as well.  In some cases it’s not as simple as just swapping the SIM 
> although in a perfect world it should be.  In the US, AT is known for 
> having this as an issue.  Also, insure that voice and data are selected in 
> the place David suggested but I think a call to your carrier with the new 
> IMEI will fix your issue.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm afraid David, it didn't work.  4G remains off.  Thanks though.  I think 
>> I did only notice that it had 4 G coverage.  My network provider operates as 
>> a 4 G network only but my phone isn't showing 4 G.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 19 Nov 2016, at 22:38, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Go to settings, mobile, turn mobile data on, then double-tap mobile data 
>>> roaming. The first option is where 4G is switched on (I set mine to data). 
>>> The next button is mobile data roaming, which sets up if one desires data 
>>> whilst roaming off the primary network.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 20/11/2016, at 07:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
 
 Hi.
 
 Scott, I think this is a question for you or for anyone who is 
 knowledgeable about these things.
 
 For some reason on my I phone 7 Plus, 4 G is switched off although the 
 network provider that I use Solely uses 4 G for data and voice calls when 
 out and about when Wifi is not available.  On my 6 Plus S which I have no 
 longer, I always had 4 G when out and about.  But for some reason I seem 
 to have 3 G and when I go in to mobile data, roaming options, I always 
 hear 4 G is off.  So please could someone explain is there a technical 
 issue for some reason why I can't get 4 G when not in wifi range please?  
 The network provider is called 3 and you can get the same network in 
 America but I think it's called something else as you can get the same 
 data plan and calling plan as if you were at home.
 
 Thank you.
 
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Re: editing a video

[Ray Foret jr]

Actually, I use Screenflow to do that now.  Cost me $99.99 though and I assume 
you don’t feel like paying that much.  For my part, I’d like the answer to this 
question myself as I think it would be good to know how to do this with the 
latest version of iMovie just in case.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Nov 21, 2016, at 1:43 PM, jean parker  wrote:
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> Hello All:
> 
> I have two mp4 videos that I want to edit. I want to extract a clip from the 
> videos and save them as  separate files. I opened imovie 9 but it is unclear 
> to me as to how to proceed. Could someone walk me through the process, 
> off-list is also fine so as not to clutter the list.
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> As always, many thanks in advance,
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editing a video

[jean parker]

Hello All:

I have two mp4 videos that I want to edit. I want to extract a clip from the 
videos and save them as  separate files. I opened imovie 9 but it is unclear to 
me as to how to proceed. Could someone walk me through the process, off-list is 
also fine so as not to clutter the list.

As always, many thanks in advance,
 
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Re: Installing SSD

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh I see. Nothing to worry about then. Cheers.
> On 21 Nov 2016, at 19:09, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> It will automatically come with one from Apple.  The only time you won't have 
> one is if you're installing a brand new drive yourself.  In these cases, 
> you'll need to install the MacOS first so that the Recovery Partition is 
> present.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:07, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
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> Hi
> 
> How do I create a recovery partition just in case my girlfriend's new mac 
> won't have one? I never knew you had to create one in the first instance, 
> since mine came with one for Lion and presumably got updated as each new 
> major OS update was released. Correct? Anyway thanks for any responses.
> 
> 
>> On 20 Nov 2016, at 23:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of 
>> the OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then 
>> restoring.  THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.
>> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
>>> something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is 
>>> the fix? Thanks.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Installing SSD

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

It will automatically come with one from Apple.  The only time you won't have 
one is if you're installing a brand new drive yourself.  In these cases, you'll 
need to install the MacOS first so that the Recovery Partition is present.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 21, 2016, at 12:07, christopher hallsworth  
wrote:

Hi

How do I create a recovery partition just in case my girlfriend's new mac won't 
have one? I never knew you had to create one in the first instance, since mine 
came with one for Lion and presumably got updated as each new major OS update 
was released. Correct? Anyway thanks for any responses.


> On 20 Nov 2016, at 23:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of 
> the OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then 
> restoring.  THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
>> something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is the 
>> fix? Thanks.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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Re: Installing SSD

[christopher hallsworth]

Hi

How do I create a recovery partition just in case my girlfriend's new mac won't 
have one? I never knew you had to create one in the first instance, since mine 
came with one for Lion and presumably got updated as each new major OS update 
was released. Correct? Anyway thanks for any responses.


> On 20 Nov 2016, at 23:34, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> The fix is to either create a recovery partition or install a clean copy of 
> the OS first which includes installing the recovery partition and then 
> restoring.  THat’s my guess anyway I haven’t seen this one myself.
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2016, at 3:34 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>  When I try to restore from Time Machine to the new SSD, an error occurs, 
>> something about adding recovery system to the destination drive. What is the 
>> fix? Thanks.
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Messages in mail not being saved to folders

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

I'm running the latest build of sierra.

I received a message that I want to save to a folder on my Mac.  I did that, 
but when I look in that folder, the message isn't there.  In fact, it appears 
to have been deleted from my Mac altogether.  Anyone know why this is 
happening?  If this is a bug in Sierra, it's a pretty major one.
Thanks,
Donna 

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Disregard last message

[Donna Goodin]

Sorry, all, I just found the problem.  Somehow that blasted message filter 
option got turned on again.  I sure wish there were a way to permanently get 
rid of that, so far it's been nothing but a nuisance.

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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

[Scott Granados]

I noticed this as well.  It looks like an interesting product and the 
installation is very accessible but it all goes sideways once you run the 
application for the first time.  To bad bu I like fusion well enough so at 
least we have a very good option there and virtual box will be the next thing I 
experiment with.



> On Nov 21, 2016, at 8:16 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Frustratingly the Paralells desktop is still inaccessible.
> I have mailed them a few times about this but with no luck.
> /A
>> 18 nov. 2016 kl. 01:07 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Very good.  For a goof I just tried parallels with their trial option.  Talk 
>> about less than useless.  Completely and utterly inaccessible.  I was 
>> hopeful that over all this time things had improved but no such luck.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:07 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I do not remember what version of Fusion I started with. I do not think the 
>>> force grab function was brought over to version 8. It used to be on the 
>>> Virtual Machine menu. I looked at version 8 release notes and found nothing.
>>> 
>>> If we can find out what replaces the force grab, we might have solved it.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/17/2016 1:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
 It does and I’ll do some googling on the command g feature, maybe I can 
 shed some light on this by playing with it more myself.
 
 Thanks as always ET.
 
 And good comments from Janina this might be worth some communication with 
 VMWare once I’m more confident it’s not the user behind my keyboard that’s 
 the problem.:)
 
> On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
> Ok here is what I think would be worth studying. I was just in my VM and 
> my frustration level is still a bit high so will not run it again for now.
> 
> Seems Command-G was on the menu when I first started using VMware. Its no 
> longer there yet it seems to still work. I want to play with this a lot 
> more though and confirm some suspicions. Its supposed to grab the 
> heyboard away from the Mac.
> 
> This may not work any more as lately I have found just pressing a wrong 
> key or too long throws things around and I have trouble getting focused 
> on the VM again.
> 
> So perhaps Command-G really is not used any more. When I run the VM in 
> full screen I am not interested in switching between Mac and Windows. Yet 
> I want access to the menu bar. I have disabled the VM toolbar and mini 
> bar. I think I have conflicts here though by inadvertently pressing Mac 
> keystrokes.
> 
> Did this make sense?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 11/17/2016 12:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I misspoke I meant command G not control G.  Command G doesn’t seem to 
>> do anything for me, maybe I’m using it at the wrong time, not sure.
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Scott,
>>> I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM 
>>> and wait long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab 
>>> the keyboard and then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Without H2O there is no life!
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 Hi, I wanted to confirm this.
 
 When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to 
 allow me to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound 
 when I press this combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full 
 screen mode I can’t enter the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by 
 tabbing past the snapshots button I will drop in to the vm.  Is there 
 a more simple mechanism, do I have the keystroke wrong?  Any pointers 
 would be most appreciated.
 
 Thank you
 
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Re: VM from Bootcamp on a different machine?

[Scott Granados]

Alex, I’m sure there’s a cleaner way of doing this but let me offer you a 
suggestion.  Why not build the VM with the assistant first with a new install 
of windows then share over your network the contents of the boot camp partition 
you wish to keep then copy across what you want to keep in the new VM.  You get 
the benefit of a clean install with out all the extra drivers and such and you 
get a means that’s accessible.  There’s probably a more direct way of doing 
this, possibly Simon can respond as he seems quite skilled in this area or any 
number of other folks here but for me that’s probably how I’d go about it with 
out knowing a more built in method.

Just my $.02

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> Hi all,
> I have a Mac Mini on which is a Bootcamp partition. This weekend I'm getting 
> the new MacBook Pro and getting rid of the Mini. What I'd like to do is use 
> VMWare on the Mac instead of Bootcamp, as rebooting just to do a quick task 
> in Windows is annoying. However, I want to keep what I have in Bootcamp, if 
> possible. Can I somehow use the Bootcamp partition on the Mini to create a 
> virtual machine on the MacBook drive? If so, how might this be done, and is 
> the whole process accessible? Thanks.
> 
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Re: Question about playlists in iTunes

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

• Select the playlist you wish to export.
• Go up to the File menu, down to Library, right and down to Export Playlist.

this will export a .txt file and place it in the location you wish to save it.  
I usually put it on the Desktop.  You can then get the txt file to the other 
individual however you wish, eMail, share, or external media.  The other 
individual can then import the playlist into their own iTunes Library through 
the File menu, Library, Import Playlist menu item.

A few things to note though.  This is only a txt file with the playlist info 
and meta-data, the songs are not exported.  So the other iTunes Library must 
have those songs somewhere in their Library as well, otherwise, they will show 
up as broken, since the songs are not present in the iTunes Library.

Hope this makes sense.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 21, 2016, at 03:56, David Chittenden  wrote:

How does one export playlists from iTunes on one computer so the playlists can 
be imported to another person's library on a different computer. Both are macs, 
and both accounts have permission to use each other's apps and playlists (this 
can be done when each account is in a different country).

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Re: VM from Bootcamp on a different machine?

[Phil Halton]

I imagine you would first convert the Boot Camp to a VM on the mini, and then 
transferred to your new Mac and imported into VM there. During the import 
VMware will recognize that the virtual machine is from a different Computer and 
you will be asked if you wish to move or to copy the VM. I think it is 
important that you select "move" in order to preserve your licenses for the 
Microsoft Windows OS and any other licensed software. If you select "copy" you 
will lose your licensing and will have to pay for new licenses.
My memory is a little fuzzy about that point, but I remember that the whole 
"move/copy" question is very important and relates to whether or not licenses 
are preserved.
Sent from my IPhone


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> 
> Hi all,
> I have a Mac Mini on which is a Bootcamp partition. This weekend I'm getting 
> the new MacBook Pro and getting rid of the Mini. What I'd like to do is use 
> VMWare on the Mac instead of Bootcamp, as rebooting just to do a quick task 
> in Windows is annoying. However, I want to keep what I have in Bootcamp, if 
> possible. Can I somehow use the Bootcamp partition on the Mini to create a 
> virtual machine on the MacBook drive? If so, how might this be done, and is 
> the whole process accessible? Thanks.
> 
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> Alex Hall
> mehg...@icloud.com
> 
> 
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Re: The control-G vm fusion question again

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Frustratingly the Paralells desktop is still inaccessible.
I have mailed them a few times about this but with no luck.
/A
> 18 nov. 2016 kl. 01:07 skrev Scott Granados :
> 
> Very good.  For a goof I just tried parallels with their trial option.  Talk 
> about less than useless.  Completely and utterly inaccessible.  I was hopeful 
> that over all this time things had improved but no such luck.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:07 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>>  I do not remember what version of Fusion I started with. I do not think the 
>> force grab function was brought over to version 8. It used to be on the 
>> Virtual Machine menu. I looked at version 8 release notes and found nothing.
>> 
>>  If we can find out what replaces the force grab, we might have solved it.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/17/2016 1:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> It does and I’ll do some googling on the command g feature, maybe I can 
>>> shed some light on this by playing with it more myself.
>>> 
>>> Thanks as always ET.
>>> 
>>> And good comments from Janina this might be worth some communication with 
>>> VMWare once I’m more confident it’s not the user behind my keyboard that’s 
>>> the problem.:)
>>> 
 On Nov 17, 2016, at 4:03 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Scott,
 Ok here is what I think would be worth studying. I was just in my VM and 
 my frustration level is still a bit high so will not run it again for now.
 
 Seems Command-G was on the menu when I first started using VMware. Its no 
 longer there yet it seems to still work. I want to play with this a lot 
 more though and confirm some suspicions. Its supposed to grab the heyboard 
 away from the Mac.
 
 This may not work any more as lately I have found just pressing a wrong 
 key or too long throws things around and I have trouble getting focused on 
 the VM again.
 
 So perhaps Command-G really is not used any more. When I run the VM in 
 full screen I am not interested in switching between Mac and Windows. Yet 
 I want access to the menu bar. I have disabled the VM toolbar and mini 
 bar. I think I have conflicts here though by inadvertently pressing Mac 
 keystrokes.
 
 Did this make sense?
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 11/17/2016 12:42 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> I misspoke I meant command G not control G.  Command G doesn’t seem to do 
> anything for me, maybe I’m using it at the wrong time, not sure.
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2016, at 2:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> I do not see that command in my list of shortcuts. When I load my VM and 
>> wait long enough to let Windows fully load. I press Cmd-G to grab the 
>> keyboard and then Cmd-Ctrl-F to enter full screen.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 11/17/2016 10:45 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> Hi, I wanted to confirm this.
>>> 
>>> When I run fusion and boot a VM, is it control-G that is supposed to 
>>> allow me to gain access to the vm interface?  I just get a bonk sound 
>>> when I press this combo and nothing happens.  In most cases, in full 
>>> screen mode I can’t enter the VM and in zoom reduced mode I can but by 
>>> tabbing past the snapshots button I will drop in to the vm.  Is there a 
>>> more simple mechanism, do I have the keystroke wrong?  Any pointers 
>>> would be most appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
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VM from Bootcamp on a different machine?

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I have a Mac Mini on which is a Bootcamp partition. This weekend I'm getting 
the new MacBook Pro and getting rid of the Mini. What I'd like to do is use 
VMWare on the Mac instead of Bootcamp, as rebooting just to do a quick task in 
Windows is annoying. However, I want to keep what I have in Bootcamp, if 
possible. Can I somehow use the Bootcamp partition on the Mini to create a 
virtual machine on the MacBook drive? If so, how might this be done, and is the 
whole process accessible? Thanks.

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Question about playlists in iTunes

[David Chittenden]

How does one export playlists from iTunes on one computer so the playlists can 
be imported to another person's library on a different computer. Both are macs, 
and both accounts have permission to use each other's apps and playlists (this 
can be done when each account is in a different country).

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Re: Trying this again. Wanting to install windows in a boot camp partition from a vm. Can this be done without sited help.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Matthew, you first need to set up Bootcamp, then you can use VMWare Fusion 
to make a virtual machine from the Bootcamp partition. I've not done this yet 
since at present my VM runs side-by-side with OS X, but I've been reading about 
this on the VMWare site recently, and it looks quite similar to setting up any 
other VM. My hunch is it's doable without sighted assistance but I don't know 
for certain.
The advantage of it is that when you are using Windows apps that are 
resource-intensive or where latency in a standard VM might be an issue, you can 
boot fully into Windows. For apps that require authorisation, it looks like you 
may need to authorise some of them twice, since effectively they're two 
different Windows machines.
Would be interesting to know how folks are getting on with this configuration.
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> On 21/11/2016, at 5:11 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> 
> Trying this again as my message bounced when sending this message this 
> morning.
> 
> 
> I have a windows 10 home vm which I want to use in a boot camp partition.  
> This can be done without sited help?  I was playing with the boot camp 
> assistant lastnight and found that if I have a usb drive connected it will 
> download a set of drivers for windows.  I did not see an opsion to hav e it 
> install from a vm. I am either missing something or perhaps you get the 
> opsion later in the prosses.  Anyone tred this without sited help annd how 
> did you do this.  I am using an imac 21 inch with a 1TB HD.  Thanks.
> 
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> Matthew
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