Re: IMovie with voiceover

[Likidefs]

Hello,
QuickTime is OK, but trims the end or the beginning of the video. I'm looking 
of something that can trim also in the middle easily.
Daniela i've downloaded MPG Stream clip and it seems easier than QuickTime. Now 
I am looking if it has the feature I have previously said. Both programs they 
can do is actually throw the entire video out and keep the trimmed clip. What I 
want to do is to throw the trimmed clips out and keep The  rest video.
A very nice and easy software that could do all these things I'm asking for is 
sound Forge, but I don't know if it is running on Mac and if it still 
accessible. I was using it in the windows years back.


25 Ιουν 2017, 2:16 πμ, ο/η Kliphton Miller  έγραψε:

> Quick time is great too.
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 4:47 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
>> 
>> If anyone knows another video editing software that is accessible besides 
>> iMovie, please let me know. I'll try to figure out how it works or try to 
>> find another software it's more accessible. I'll let you know if you wish. 
>> Thank you very much for your time.
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>> 23 Ιουν 2017, 8:16 πμ, ο/η David & his pack of dogs  
>> έγραψε:
>> 
>>> I think the stance is, how can they edit something they can not see?  
>>> Faulty but, sadly, true.  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Thacker Jr.
>>> Sent: June 22, 2017 6:56 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: IMovie with voiceover
>>> 
>>> I asked the same question a while back, and the answer was not encouraging. 
>>>  I am sorry I don’t remember the details anymore, but I was able to do some 
>>> simple editing by using menu commands.  From within the clip you can use 
>>> menu commands to split a single clip and then a trim from beginning (I 
>>> think that’s what it was) to cut away the piece you don’t want.  It is very 
>>> tedious, so I too will be interested if someone knows a better way.  
>>> Unfortunately it has not occurred even to the usually  accommodating folks 
>>> at apple that blind people do have need to edit video.
>>> 
 On Jun 22, 2017, at 4:34 PM, Likidefs  wrote:
 
 Hi guys,
 I'd like some help with iMovie. I have searched around the net, but they 
 found nothing. 
 I want to process some videos. Trim them, join them together, put some 
 narration on them etc. Does anyone have any idea how to do that or where 
 can I find a tutorial?
 Thanks
 Steve  
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Oriol Gómez]

Um yes there is a purhased button
You just have to go into the account tab and there is purchased...
Please don't come to conclusions before exploring the app, this leads
people to think that there is indeed to purchased button.

TH.

On 6/30/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
> i installed the beta and have not found any massive problems as yet.
> Admittedly, I don't do a massive amount with my iPhone.
> I don't mind the notifications, clearing them is just like clearing them
> from the notification centre in the old release.
> I do miss being able to swipe down on the notifications in the lock screen
> and remove them.
> The only other small problem I have found is VO saying the time twice when i
> go to unlock the phone.
>> On 30 Jun 2017, at 4:42 am, christopher hallsworth
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>>>
>>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>>>
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:

 Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you
 previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same
 device after a reset or an uninstall.

 Thanks.

 On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados
  wrote:
 I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
> wrote:
>
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> downloading apps is broken.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
>>> might be
>>> a good reason to try it.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
 wrote:

 When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
 not
 installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going
 to
 install them?

 Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
 that
 you want on your iPhone from iTunes.

 On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> 1-finger
> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange
> Apps”
> it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
>
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> Drop
> where it used to say Move App.
>
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a
> second.
> Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you
> want
> or
> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item
> into
> that
> folder.
>
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
> I
> believe
> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give
> it
> some
> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
>> do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> :
>>>
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
>>> operate
>>> differently.
>>>
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me
>>> to a
>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back
>>> to
>>> the
>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
>>> time.
>>> Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>>
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
>>> them
>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
>>> Home
>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand
>>> off
>>> to
>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>>
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
>>> 

Re: Fully loaded Mac Pro projected to cost over $17000

[lenron brown]

hopes the case allows for upgrades.

On 6/29/17, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Hi Kawal, it’s pretty easy to figure out what Apple will charge by making an
> educated guess as to what hardware is included and the using their own site
> to calculate the markup.  Typically, Apple marks things up about 80%.  I
> would suspect that’s with a few hundred dollars of the cost since it’s right
> in there with other high end work stations.  Seems to be about $13081.50 or
> about thirteen thousand British Pounds.
>
> The article I included goes in to a lot of detail about what parts were used
> for guessing the price and using Apple’s hardware from previous releases to
> judge the markup.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> What is that in pounds?  I'd not read an article which guessed the price.
>> Why not just wait for Apple to give the price as I'd rather have the facts
>> than rumour.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> So what’s apple good at, marking things up.  Looks like about an 80%
>>> markup on the hardware.  The following article details ZDNet’s guess at
>>> the cost of a fully loaded iMac pro.  Read more here.
>>>
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/13/maxed-out-imac-pro-cost/
>>>
>>>
>>> Think Ill buy the base unit and install my own parts of the case allows.
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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Brian Hansen]

The long way may be his only alternative.

Blessings,

Brian

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 7:41 PM, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> The long way of doing it is just click on each individual one and add them to 
> favorites in safari, otherwise, he would have to get a friend with a PC and 
> export those favorites to a HTML file and then import them into safari.
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
>> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
>> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not 
>> completely certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the 
>> favorites on another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would 
>> be able to import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark 
>> file that Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just 
>> do a search of the web and see what turns up.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Blessings,
>>> 
>>> Brian
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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Brian Hansen]

So far, all of my Google searches have come up empty on an alternative way of 
getting the favorites in to Safari.  It seems that unless they’re exported out 
of IE, then there’s no way to get them into Safari.  I would have thought that 
someone would have come up with some kind of third party app to handle the 
conversion process.  Oh well.

Blessings,

Brian

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 5:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not completely 
> certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the favorites on 
> another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would be able to 
> import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark file that 
> Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just do a search 
> of the web and see what turns up.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
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RE: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Simon Fogarty]

Think of what the terrorists would do if they could use military grade GPS,
Would open a new door of problems for everyone.

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Subject: Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - 
CNET

You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
> signal conditions.
>I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
> way finding would be nice.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
>> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
>> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
>> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
>> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
>> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
>> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
>>> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>>>  The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
>>> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
>>> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
>>> were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
>>> track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the 
>>> door.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
 wrote:
 
 Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
 Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
 uses GPS and the Google Places database.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>> was added to accessibility.
>> 
>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
>> 
>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
>> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
>> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed 
>> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple 
>> Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify 
>> if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>> 
>> Best Wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Whenever I can, I ssh to the terminal on my Apple. That includes using a
Linux VM on my Mac to terminal into the host system. It's round about,
but works much better than trying to use Voice Over in the Terminal,
imo.

Janina

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> I don’t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
> BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
> Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
> At least for mac.
> /A
> > 29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :
> > 
> > 
> > I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
> > programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
> > functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
> > search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.
> > 
> > The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
> > is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
> > desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.
> > 
> > If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
> > whe done back to terminal.
> > 
> > There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
> > environment.
> > 
> > I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
> > local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
> > source and plays it.
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:
> > 
> >>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
> >> password was when creating an installer.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> >>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
> >>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >>> 
> >>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
> >>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
> >>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
> >>> when you use the sudo command.
> >>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
> >>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
> >>> for a while.
> >>> 
> >>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
> >>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
> >>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
> >>> work.
> >>> 
> >>> Take care,
> >>> Jonathan Cohn
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.   > wrote:
>  
>   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>  some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>  E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>  
>  On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
> > last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
> > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> > that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
> > it to put in code?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

My favorite obscure command is grep. I believe it means "get
repetition." Checking with Wikipedia I find it's a bit more elaborate:
"globally search a regular expression and print."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grep


Anyway you slice it, it's a funny way to say "Find!"
I wonder whether Google Maps, or Amazon Echo would respond to "grep
store?" I'll have to test out of morbid curiosity.

Janina


Scott Granados writes:
> No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years 
> I just didn’t think su was super user because it 
> associates to all users not just root.
> 
> For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
> variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
> probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
> environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)
> 
> Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
> can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
> here.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)
> 
> Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping 
> is my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey, Scott:
> > 
> > The feeling is mutual.
> > 
> > 
> > There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> > because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> > other permissions on the system.
> > 
> > Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> > password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> >> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
> >> Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> >>> 
> >>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>  Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
>  password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>  
>  Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
>  on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
>  extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
>  when you use the sudo command. 
>  Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute 
>  user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions 
>  for a while. 
>  
>  sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>  1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
>  can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>  2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are 
>  trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this 
>  work.
>  
>  Take care,
>  Jonathan Cohn
>  
>  
>  
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> > Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> > cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
> >> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that 
> >> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to 
> >> put in code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, according to Wikipedia, it seems we're all correct:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)


PS: To become another user I generally do:

su -u [user] -i

This insures I get the same environment that user gets on login-- the -i
flag. Frankly, I don't know whether that works the same on BSD or not.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
> "substitute user identity".
> 
> So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
> then the command:
> sudo su somebody -
> 
> will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
> encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
> available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
> were accessed by somebody.
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> > Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> > and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> > a fair trade.
> >
> > > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> > >
> > > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> > >
> > > Janina
> > >
> > > Scott Granados writes:
> > >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> > automatically open.
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> > macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> > >>> and go to File then Open.
> > >>>
> > >>> Scott Granados writes:
> >  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> > you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
> > flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> > extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> > learn the Unix based operating systems.
> > 
> > > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > >
> > > Fun stuff,
> > >
> > >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > >>
> > >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >>
> > >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> > earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> > my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> > it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
> > code?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Anytime and always! Done.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su and I 
> hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like a fair 
> trade.
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> > 
> > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
> >> automatically open.
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >>> and go to File then Open.
> >>> 
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
>  to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
>  flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
>  extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
>  learn the Unix based operating systems.
>  
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> > 
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone 
> > know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > 
> > Fun stuff,
> > 
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In 
> >> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  
> >>> I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my 
> >>> last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know 
> >>> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so 
> >>> that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use 
> >>> it to put in code?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> 
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getting male US Siri voice Aaron on my Mac?

[Ray Foret jr]

Okay,

For quite some time now, I have been wanting to put the so-called US Male Siri 
voice (known as Aaron) on my Mac.  I’m using L-capitan due to the fact that it 
seems to be the latest Mac OS this mid 2009 Mac book pro of mine will support.  
First, any chance at all of being able to do this?  IF so, how?  No, I didn’t 
jail break my phone and won’t do it for that.  Thanks.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

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more Voice Over controls?

[Ray Foret jr]

Hi there,

From what I hear, it is now going to be possible to adjust the pitch of 
the Voice Over voice in IOS11.  Is this true for all voices including the 
so-called “Male Siri” US voice actually known as “Aaron”?

Also, what else wil we be able to control:  The voice intonation perhaps?


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iOS 11 adds music playback controls to Apple's AirPods - CNET

[M. Taylor]

iOS 11 adds music playback controls to Apple's AirPods - CNET
CNET How To - Thursday, June 29, 2017 at 5:00 AM

While there may not be a massive software update for Apple's AirPods
themselves, iOS 11 allows you to set different functionality when you
double-tap either AirPod.
Meaning, you can use the left AirPod to Play/Pause your music and the right
to go to the Next track. Or leave one AirPod to activate Siri while the
other is assigned another task.
Here's how you to make your AirPods even better:
Open the Settings app on your iOS device.
Tap Bluetooth.
Select the "i" icon next to your AirPod's name.
  
Your AirPods will need to be connected to your device in order for the
complete settings page to show up. Once there, you can change each Pod's
double-tap action. The options include: Siri, Play/Pause, Next Track,
Previous Track, Off.
Now, if only Apple can figure out an easier way to control volume using an
AirPod without having to use Siri.

ORIGINAL ARTICLE AT:
https://www.cnet.com/how-to/ios-11-adds-music-playback-controls-to-apples-ai
rpods/#ftag=CAD5457c2c


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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Kliphton Miller]

The long way of doing it is just click on each individual one and add them to 
favorites in safari, otherwise, he would have to get a friend with a PC and 
export those favorites to a HTML file and then import them into safari.
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Larry Thacker Jr.  
> wrote:
> 
> There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend 
> with Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think 
> Windows 10 does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not completely 
> certain.  If the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the favorites on 
> another Windows instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would be able to 
> import them.  They could then be exported again to a bookmark file that 
> Safari can import.  But before going to all that trouble I’d just do a search 
> of the web and see what turns up.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
>> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
>> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
>> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
>> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
>> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
>> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
>> 
>> Blessings,
>> 
>> Brian
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RE: Getting abbreviated tweets in iOS Twitter app

[M. Taylor]

Hello Phil,

The ellipsis does not mean that the tweet is being truncated.  

Generally speaking, people put an ellipsis in their tweets to indicate that the 
tweet is either being continued from or, to, a different tweet.  

Also, it can indicate that the reader needs to click on an imbedded link or 
photo to see more information.

Mark 

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On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 9:57 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Getting abbreviated tweets in iOS Twitter app

I regularly get tweets that have…(elipses) Marks at the 140 character position 
but I can't figure out how to get the rest of the tweet. Any help?

Sent from my IPhone

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Re: Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Larry Thacker Jr.]

There might be a better way, but all I can think of would require a friend with 
Windows willing to help.  Windows 7 retains this scheme and I think Windows 10 
does as well but I didn’t use that for long so I am not completely certain.  If 
the favorites were copied to a subfolder under the favorites on another Windows 
instance, then I think Chrome or Firefox would be able to import them.  They 
could then be exported again to a bookmark file that Safari can import.  But 
before going to all that trouble I’d just do a search of the web and see what 
turns up.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Brian Hansen  wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
> folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how 
> import into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since 
> they were not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and 
> sub-folder structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import 
> them in and/or copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just 
> out of luck on this one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.
> 
> Blessings,
> 
> Brian
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Re: High Sierra public beta now available

[Michael Marshall]

i believe the latest update of VM Fusion will let you install from the new beta.
i was reading about it yesterday.
, I would install it on another petition instead of a virtual machine just 
personally.
Mac virtual machines can be very restricted in my experience.
> On 30 Jun 2017, at 7:12 am, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> One question before i go ahead and install it.
> I am going to install it on a virtual machine.
> Do i first have to install a stable version or can i just install this beta 
> without having to download an earlier version?
> /A
>> 29 juni 2017 kl. 22:19 skrev Scott Granados :
>> 
>> Just a heads up that the public beta is now available for High Sierra.
>> 
>> Enjoy
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Re: High Sierra public beta now available

[Michael Marshall]

yes!
yes!
yes!
> On 30 Jun 2017, at 6:19 am, Scott Granados  wrote:
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> Just a heads up that the public beta is now available for High Sierra.
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> Enjoy
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Michael Marshall]

i installed the beta and have not found any massive problems as yet.
Admittedly, I don't do a massive amount with my iPhone.
I don't mind the notifications, clearing them is just like clearing them from 
the notification centre in the old release.
I do miss being able to swipe down on the notifications in the lock screen and 
remove them.
The only other small problem I have found is VO saying the time twice when i go 
to unlock the phone.
> On 30 Jun 2017, at 4:42 am, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>> 
>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
 
 This is broken… just saw this thread.
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> downloading apps is broken.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> be
>> a good reason to try it.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>> install them?
>>> 
>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
 1-finger
 flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
 Apps”
 it
 will say “Edit Mode”.
 
 If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
 where it used to say Move App.
 
 Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
 Treat
 this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
 want
 or
 location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
 that
 folder.
 
 Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
 believe
 you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
 some
 time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> :
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> differently.
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> a
>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> the
>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> Yes,
>> reporting this.
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> to
>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> go
>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> but
>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> 
>> 6. OK, 

Re: High Sierra public beta now available

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
One question before i go ahead and install it.
I am going to install it on a virtual machine.
Do i first have to install a stable version or can i just install this beta 
without having to download an earlier version?
/A
> 29 juni 2017 kl. 22:19 skrev Scott Granados :
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> Just a heads up that the public beta is now available for High Sierra.
> 
> Enjoy
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
They must have a reason for changing this?
I wonder what reason?
/A
> 29 juni 2017 kl. 17:05 skrev Portia Scott :
> 
> Yes, and this applies too, if you search for an app that you have
> previously installed as well, apparently, but want to reinstall. This
> is quite unfortunate, as now, if people want to download old apps,
> they will have to use iTunes.
> 
> Thanks for all the clarification on this.
> 
> On 6/29/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>>> 
>>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
 
 Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you
 previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same
 device after a reset or an uninstall.
 
 Thanks.
 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados
>  wrote:
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>>> downloading apps is broken.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
 might be
 a good reason to try it.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
> wrote:
> 
> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
> not
> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going
> to
> install them?
> 
> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
> that
> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
>> 1-finger
>> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange
>> Apps”
>> it
>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>> 
>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
>> Drop
>> where it used to say Move App.
>> 
>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a
>> second.
>> Treat
>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
>> you want
>> or
>> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item
>> into
>> that
>> folder.
>> 
>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
>> I
>> believe
>> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick.
>> give it
>> some
>> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> How do one drag and drop?
>>> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
>>> do.
>>> /A
 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
 :
 
 I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
 operate
 differently.
 
 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
 me to a
 sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me
 back to
 the
 home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
 time.
 Yes,
 reporting this.
 
 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
 them
 from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
 Home
 designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get
 Hand off
 to
 work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
 
 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
 sluggish
 depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
 
 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
 to go
 into the files app and share then copy a 

Re: How to use terminal?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I don’t like the speech in Mac in terminal mode.
BUt i can ssh to my mac from another unix machine and use braille.
Brltty is quite hard to compile in my opinion.
At least for mac.
/A
> 29 juni 2017 kl. 15:52 skrev -dan d. :
> 
> 
> I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
> programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
> functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
> search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.
> 
> The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
> is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
> desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.
> 
> If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
> whe done back to terminal.
> 
> There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
> environment.
> 
> I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
> local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
> source and plays it.
> 
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:
> 
>>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
>> password was when creating an installer.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
>>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>>> 
>>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
>>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
>>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
>>> when you use the sudo command.
>>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
>>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
>>> for a while.
>>> 
>>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
>>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
>>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
>>> work.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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 some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
 
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> Hi,
> 
> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
> last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
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Just a heads up that the public beta is now available for High Sierra.

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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Jenine Stanley]

OK, I see what you all are talking about now. Yes, you can find your purchased 
apps but if they aren’t on your phone, there’s no download button and double 
tapping them doesn’t get them back.
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 2:42 PM, christopher hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>> 
>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
 
 This is broken… just saw this thread.
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> 
> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> downloading apps is broken.
> 
> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> be
>> a good reason to try it.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>> install them?
>>> 
>>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>> 
>>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
 1-finger
 flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
 Apps”
 it
 will say “Edit Mode”.
 
 If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
 where it used to say Move App.
 
 Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
 Treat
 this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
 want
 or
 location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
 that
 folder.
 
 Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
 believe
 you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
 some
 time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> How do one drag and drop?
> And where did you find about that feature?
> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> /A
>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> :
>> 
>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> differently.
>> 
>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> a
>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> the
>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> Yes,
>> reporting this.
>> 
>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> to
>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> 
>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> 
>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> go
>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> 
>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> but
>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> 
>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> updating or searching for apps.
>> 
>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> iOS
>> beta, things seem to be 

Re: Fully loaded Mac Pro projected to cost over $17000

[Scott Granados]

Hi Kawal, it’s pretty easy to figure out what Apple will charge by making an 
educated guess as to what hardware is included and the using their own site to 
calculate the markup.  Typically, Apple marks things up about 80%.  I would 
suspect that’s with a few hundred dollars of the cost since it’s right in there 
with other high end work stations.  Seems to be about $13081.50 or about 
thirteen thousand British Pounds.

The article I included goes in to a lot of detail about what parts were used 
for guessing the price and using Apple’s hardware from previous releases to 
judge the markup.

Hope that helps.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi Scott.
> 
> What is that in pounds?  I'd not read an article which guessed the price.  
> Why not just wait for Apple to give the price as I'd rather have the facts 
> than rumour.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> So what’s apple good at, marking things up.  Looks like about an 80% markup 
>> on the hardware.  The following article details ZDNet’s guess at the cost of 
>> a fully loaded iMac pro.  Read more here.
>> 
>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/13/maxed-out-imac-pro-cost/
>> 
>> 
>> Think Ill buy the base unit and install my own parts of the case allows.
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Re: mac beta still coming soon was: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Hello, same here, don't release a public beta in this state, which Apple has 
done.
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 23:13, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And I would whole heartedly support that delay.  Squash the known bugs before 
> you push it out the door.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey guys. The reason why they haven't released a High Sierra public beta is 
>> because according to sources, Apple is still having issues with the APFS 
>> system. So rather than you guys getting stuck with it, they'd rather squash 
>> those bugs before it gets released as a public beta.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
>> Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
>> Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
>> Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:53 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks bro.
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/17, Michael Marshall  wrote:
 hey,
 i see that the mac beta is stil listed as "coming soon" on the apple beta
 site.
 This is quite irritating to me, I honestly cannot think of a reason why 
 they
 did not just release all of them at the same time.
 that's just my little moan for the day.
 
 Michael
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 4:36 am, Scott Granados 
> wrote:
> 
> The link is beta.apple.com 
> 
> Sign in with your iCloud and click enroll.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 1:37 PM, lenron brown > > wrote:
>> 
>> Ok cool deal checking favorites on the Iphone to see if I still have the
>> link.
>> 
>> On 6/27/17, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>>> No you can over write with the new one, no need to uninstall.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Krister Ekström
 >
 wrote:
 
 Thanks for that info. Do i have to uninstall my current profile?
 I guess yes but i'm asking just to be sure.
 
 Skickat från min iPhone
 
 27 juni 2017 kl. 17:53 skrev Scott Granados 
 >>:
 
> You have to enroll again and start over with 11.  You won’t get it
> automatically if you have 10.3.3 installed as it’s a different signed
> boot file.
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Krister Ekström
>> 
>> > >> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't gotten the beta yet even though i'm in the beta program. I
>> have a beta of iOs 10.3.3. I wonder if i should reenroll?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> Skickat från min iPhone
>> 
>> 27 juni 2017 kl. 15:46 skrev Scott Granados > 
>> > >>:
>> 
>>> I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and
>>> running
>>> with the beta though installing it early this morning.
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
 >>
 wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my
 suggestion would be
 DON”T!
 
 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as
 lively as normal,
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept /
 purchase
 without closing the app and then reopening it.
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or
 made
 them yourself.
 
 
 
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to
 come.
 
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Re: Fully loaded Mac Pro projected to cost over $17000

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Scott.

What is that in pounds?  I'd not read an article which guessed the price.  Why 
not just wait for Apple to give the price as I'd rather have the facts than 
rumour.

Kawal.
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 20:05, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So what’s apple good at, marking things up.  Looks like about an 80% markup 
> on the hardware.  The following article details ZDNet’s guess at the cost of 
> a fully loaded iMac pro.  Read more here.
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/13/maxed-out-imac-pro-cost/
> 
> 
> Think Ill buy the base unit and install my own parts of the case allows.
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Fully loaded Mac Pro projected to cost over $17000

[Scott Granados]

So what’s apple good at, marking things up.  Looks like about an 80% markup on 
the hardware.  The following article details ZDNet’s guess at the cost of a 
fully loaded iMac pro.  Read more here.

https://9to5mac.com/2017/06/13/maxed-out-imac-pro-cost/


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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[christopher hallsworth]

Yes, it's definitely broken here too.
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:47, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
> 
> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> 
>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>> 
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> >>> be
>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>  install them?
>> 
>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>> 
>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>> > 1-finger
>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>> > Apps”
>> > it
>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>> >
>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> > where it used to say Move App.
>> >
>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>> > Treat
>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>> > want
>> > or
>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>> > that
>> > folder.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>> > believe
>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>> > some
>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi!
>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> >> /A
>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> >>> :
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> >>> differently.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> >>> a
>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> >>> the
>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> >>> Yes,
>> >>> reporting this.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>> to
>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>> go
>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>> but
>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>> iOS
>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared 

Getting Internet Explorer Favorites in to Safari

[Brian Hansen]

A friend of mine has replaced his dead PC with a Mac mini.  He has a backup 
folder containing all of his IE favorites that he would like to some how import 
into Safari so they all don't have to be recreated by hand.  Since they were 
not exported out of IE, they are in their individual files and sub-folder 
structure straight out of Windows XP.  Is there a way to import them in and/or 
copy them into Safari in their present state, or is he just out of luck on this 
one?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Blessings,

Brian

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Re: Adding to favorites in the mail app.

[Paul Henrichsen]

Thanks Tim.
I can't believe that so complicated Apple really needs  to make n  easier way 
to do this.
Thanks.

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On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:25 PM, Tim Kilburn 
> wrote:

Hi,

Here's what I posted some time last week.  If you require more details, let me 
know.

First, you need to make sure that the Mailbox list is visible.  Stop 
interacting with everything and navigate with VO-right past the Favourites bar. 
 If VO announces Mailboxes table, then it is visible, otherwise either press 
cmd-shift-m, go up to the View menu and choose Show Mailbox list, or toggle it 
with the button in the Favourites bar.

Once it's visible, interact with it, find the mailbox you want in the 
Favourites, then interact with it.  Press VO-cmd-f5 to make sure that the mouse 
is routed to the VO Cursor, then press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the 
mouse-down command.  Stop interacting with everything then navigate left to the 
Favourites bar and interact with it.  VO-right to the place you'd like to drop 
it, press VO-cmd-f5 to once again make sure that the mouse is routed to the VO 
Cursor location, then press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-up command 
to drop the item.  It will usually drop just after the item you had focus on.  
You can use the mouse-down and mouse-up commands to re-arrange the items in the 
Favourites bar, and you can remove an existing item from the Favourites bar by 
grabbing it, and dragging it out of the Favourites bar then dropping it.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 22, 2017, at 14:05, Paul Henrichsen 
> wrote:

Hi. Is there a way to add to the favorites bar in the mail program? And how do 
you remove an entry?
Thanks.


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Re: Pages shortcut

[Harry Bell]

Oh, thank you! I'm starting to read your book now!
Regards
Harry

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 18:04, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There are 
> times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, or to 
> avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
> I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
> sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover 
>> focus back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because 
>> focus has inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the 
>> panel to the right of the actual Pages document?
>> Thanks
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Harry,
>>> 
>>> Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  wrote:
 
 Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
 struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac 
 (and on iOS too!)
 Harry
 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ann,
> 
> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
> 
> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
> book, still going through it..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is 
>> that Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on 
>> the numpad of an extended keyboard.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you 
>>> need to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please 
>>> don't just reply to a message especially if you don't change the 
>>> subject.
>>> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of 
>>> System Preferences.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
  wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I am having trouble with pages.
 
 There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which 
 makes a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, 
 and I am unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the 
 insert section on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it 
 works.
 
 Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
 shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
 
 thanks!
 Caitlyn
 ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Harry,
Yes, Ann and her husband wrote a book about using pages and voiceover on the 
mac.  You can get it for sure from Johnathon Mosen’s website(www.mosen.org 
)  I got it a while ago, and from what I remember, it 
was something like $35 american.  It’s a great book, packed with lots of tips 
and tricks for the vo user to use pages!

HTH,
Caitlyn

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really struggle 
> with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac (and on iOS 
> too!)
> Harry
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
>> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
>> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
>> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
>> 
>> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
>> still going through it..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
>>> Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the 
>>> numpad of an extended keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
 
 
 
 You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need 
 to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just 
 reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
 You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
 Preferences.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am having trouble with pages.
> 
> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
> page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am 
> unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section 
> on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
> 
> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
> app here?
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Harry,

It explains how to get around Pages without getting stuck anywhere. There are 
times when you have to turn cursor tracking off to avoid that problem, or to 
avoid changing something you don’t want to change.
I tested everything over and over again as we wrote the book and I have no 
sight at all to get myself out of difficulties by looking at the screen.
Cheers,

Anne



> On 29 Jun 2017, at 16:34, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover 
> focus back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because 
> focus has inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the 
> panel to the right of the actual Pages document?
> Thanks
> Harry
> 
> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
>> Hello Harry,
>> 
>> Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
>> >
>> 
>> I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
>>> struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac 
>>> (and on iOS too!)
>>> Harry
>>> 
 On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness > wrote:
 
 Hi Ann,
 
 When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
 command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
 using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
 bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
 
 Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
 book, still going through it..
 
 Cait
 
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  > wrote:
> 
> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is 
> that Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on 
> the numpad of an extended keyboard.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you 
>> need to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't 
>> just reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
>> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
>> Preferences.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am having trouble with pages.
>>> 
>>> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes 
>>> a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am 
>>> unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section 
>>> on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
>>> 
>>> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
>>> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
>>> app here?
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Getting abbreviated tweets in iOS Twitter app

[Phil Halton]

I regularly get tweets that have…(elipses) Marks at the 140 character position 
but I can't figure out how to get the rest of the tweet. Any help?

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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

Interesting.  sounds like your experience is very different from other 
people's.  I never even got the link to join the meeting.  When I clicked on 
the link in the email, I got a Warning, and an error message.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:10 AM, Matthew Dierckens  wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> GoToMeeting works decently on the Mac. I was able to use it with a company to 
> do some accessibility testing.
> If, for example, the presenter wants to share your screen, you have to go to 
> the window chooser menu to find it.
> 
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
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>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 09:40, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> ah, makes sense.  Sounds like for today, the phone it will be.  But good to 
>> know there's an option out there.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The invite I got was an email with a specific Skype for business join link 
>>> in it.  If not the phone option is a good one, I use that all the time with 
>>> the various services. 
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Thanks, Scott.  That's interesting.  when I tried the test meeting, I just 
 got an error message.  Skype for business did not come up.  I'll look into 
 that. Thanks,
 Donna
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:
> 
> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know 
> I had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype 
> for business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  
> The controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty 
> accessible.  Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good 
> solution to the video problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
>> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  
>> I've spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no 
>> need for you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank 
>> you very much for the offer.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
>>> Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if 
>>> you like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services 
>>> for web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now 
>>> re-branded as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS 
>>> though I think I had to jigger things a bit to have the slides 
>>> automatically read. 
>>> 
>>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials 
>>> in advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 thanks, David.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac 
>> or on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac 
>> and not having any luck.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Matthew Dierckens]

Hi there,
GoToMeeting works decently on the Mac. I was able to use it with a company to 
do some accessibility testing.
If, for example, the presenter wants to share your screen, you have to go to 
the window chooser menu to find it.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, IOS  and Windows Trainer
JAWS for windows Certified - 2016
Canadian Phone: 519-962-9140
U.S. phone: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 09:40, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> ah, makes sense.  Sounds like for today, the phone it will be.  But good to 
> know there's an option out there.
> Donna
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> The invite I got was an email with a specific Skype for business join link 
>> in it.  If not the phone option is a good one, I use that all the time with 
>> the various services. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Scott.  That's interesting.  when I tried the test meeting, I just 
>>> got an error message.  Skype for business did not come up.  I'll look into 
>>> that. Thanks,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados > wrote:
 
 The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
 gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
 had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
 business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
 controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible. 
  Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the 
 video problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
 
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  
> I've spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no 
> need for you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you 
> very much for the offer.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
>> Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if 
>> you like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services 
>> for web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now 
>> re-branded as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS 
>> though I think I had to jigger things a bit to have the slides 
>> automatically read. 
>> 
>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials 
>> in advance.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks, David.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac 
> or on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and 
> not having any luck.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I just verified from the Free BSD man pages and su is described as
"substitute user identity".

So, if you are comfortable with terminal and share a machine with somebody,
then the command:
sudo su somebody -

will give you permission to see all that person's files. Of course any
encrypted files like the keychain or one password crypt will still not be
available to you. But all other files when accessed will look like they
were accessed by somebody.



On 29 June 2017 at 11:37, Scott Granados  wrote:

> Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su
> and I hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like
> a fair trade.
>
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> >
> > Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> > my sometimes slow noggin! 
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will
> automatically open.
> >>
> >>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries <
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> >>> and go to File then Open.
> >>>
> >>> Scott Granados writes:
>  Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping
> you to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a
> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an
> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you
> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley 
> wrote:
> >
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone
> know how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >
> > Fun stuff,
> >
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T. 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent
> earlier.  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found
> my last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that
> it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in
> code?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Let’s call it even, you just hipped me to the proper verbiage around su and I 
hipped you back with the command n new window shortcut.  Sounds like a fair 
trade.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:31 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 
> 
> Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
> my sometimes slow noggin! 
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
>> automatically open.
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
>>> and go to File then Open.
>>> 
>>> Scott Granados writes:
 Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
 to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
 flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
 extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
 learn the Unix based operating systems.
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> 
> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> 
> Fun stuff,
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>>> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
>>> in code?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

No I get super user, I’ve heard root referred to as the super user for years I 
just didn’t think su was super user because it 
associates to all users not just root.

For example, typing su - Janina would switch to and use the environmental 
variables of the Janina account.  Simply doing su - with no user selects root 
probably telling you what you already know.  (The trailing - using the 
environmental variables of the target user instead of the originating user)

Here’s an article from wikipedia that seems to indicate we’re all right.  SU 
can mean switch user, substitute user or super user.  Interesting.  Read more 
here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)

Makes me wonder what other command acronyms I have taken for granted.  Ping is 
my favorite so far, packet internet groper if memory serves.:)

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:29 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hey, Scott:
> 
> The feeling is mutual.
> 
> 
> There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
> because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
> other permissions on the system.
> 
> Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
> password, the super user can reset that user's password.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
>> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  
>> Learn something new everytime you post, how about that!
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn writes:
 Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
 password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
 
 Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
 on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
 extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
 when you use the sudo command. 
 Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
 This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
 while. 
 
 sudo is a bit more secure in that:
 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
 can be executed by whom whith what rights.
 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
 to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
 
 Take care,
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>> to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
>> code?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Here we go -- I've been doing it the hard way! 

Could I have noticed that? Probably. Did I? Not until you burned it into
my sometimes slow noggin! 

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
> automatically open.
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> > and go to File then Open.
> > 
> > Scott Granados writes:
> >> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you 
> >> to a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a 
> >> flavor of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an 
> >> extremely powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you 
> >> learn the Unix based operating systems.
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> >>> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> >>> 
> >>> Fun stuff,
> >>> 
>  On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>  
>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>  cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>  
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>  E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>  
>  On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> > found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> > log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
> > to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> > said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put 
> > in code?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hey, Scott:

The feeling is mutual.


There's a bit more vocabulary associated with su. It's super user
because this is the user with extraordinary powers that will trump all
other permissions on the system.

Simple example: If you have multiple users and one forgets their
password, the super user can reset that user's password.

Janina

Scott Granados writes:
> And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does 
> not necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
> something new everytime you post, how about that!
> 
> > On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> > 
> > Jonathan Cohn writes:
> >> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your 
> >> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> >> 
> >> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user 
> >> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to 
> >> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified 
> >> when you use the sudo command. 
> >> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> >> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a 
> >> while. 
> >> 
> >> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> >> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands 
> >> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> >> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
> >> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> >> 
> >> Take care,
> >> Jonathan Cohn
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >>> 
> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >>> 
> >>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
>  found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
>  log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where 
>  to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
>  said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
>  code?
>  
>  Thanks,
>  
>  
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

And here I always thought it was switch user as that’s what it really does not 
necessarily switching to root although that’s the most common use.  Learn 
something new everytime you post, how about that!

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:17 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
>> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on 
>> a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
>> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you 
>> use the sudo command. 
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
>> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
>> be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying 
>> to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
>>> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
 found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
 log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
 type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
 “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Or, if it’s easier, just do a command n for a new window and one will 
automatically open.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:20 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
> and go to File then Open.
> 
> Scott Granados writes:
>> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to 
>> a unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor 
>> of it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely 
>> powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the 
>> Unix based operating systems.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
>>> how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
>>> 
>>> Fun stuff,
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
 cases you may be asked for your log in password.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
> code?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

And, when you get the "has no Windows" message, just open one. Do VO+m,
and go to File then Open.

Scott Granados writes:
> Just for the less experienced on the list, terminal is just dropping you to a 
> unix shell.  When you hear people talk about unix this is simply a flavor of 
> it that the pretty pictures part of Mac OS runs over.  It’s an extremely 
> powerful environment and also a well paying career path if you learn the Unix 
> based operating systems.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:36 AM, Sharon Hooley  wrote:
> > 
> > okay, I had success!  And now, for even more of a kick, does anyone know 
> > how to make it say just anything you want to print command?
> > 
> > Fun stuff,
> > 
> >> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >> 
> >>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> >> cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> >> 
> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> >> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> >> 
> >> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> 
> >>> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >>> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >>> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> >>> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it 
> >>> said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in 
> >>> code?
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

And, I, on the other hand, do as much as I possibly can in a terminal on
whatever OS I find myself on.

So, there you go. Different strokes for different folks ... or whatever
aphorism you might prefer at this spot. Isn't diversity wonderful?

Janina

E.T. writes:
>I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
> password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> > Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
> > password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> > 
> > Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
> > on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
> > extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
> > when you use the sudo command.
> > Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
> > user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
> > for a while.
> > 
> > sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> > 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
> > can be executed by whom whith what rights.
> > 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
> > trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
> > work.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Jonathan Cohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
> > > some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > > 
> > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> > >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> > >  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> > >  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> > >  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> > > 
> > > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
> > > >  I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
> > > > last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
> > > > where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
> > > > that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
> > > > it to put in code?
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > 
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Re: How to use terminal?

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

I believe su was (and is) "super user," not "substitute user."

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your password. 
> These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
> 
> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user on a 
> UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to extra 
> security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified when you use 
> the sudo command. 
> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute user. 
> This allows one to access the computer with another permissions for a while. 
> 
> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands can 
> be executed by whom whith what rights.
> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are trying to 
> execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this work.
> 
> Take care,
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > 
> >   Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In some 
> > cases you may be asked for your log in password.
> > 
> > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> >  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> >  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> >  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
> >  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > 
> > On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.  I 
> >> found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my last 
> >> log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know where to 
> >> type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so that it said, 
> >> “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use it to put in code?
> >> 
> >> Thanks,
> >> 
> >> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Portia Scott]

Yes, and this applies too, if you search for an app that you have
previously installed as well, apparently, but want to reinstall. This
is quite unfortunate, as now, if people want to download old apps,
they will have to use iTunes.

Thanks for all the clarification on this.

On 6/29/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Scott Granados 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
>>
>> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>>
>>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you
>>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same
>>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
 On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados
  wrote:
 I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

 > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber 
 > wrote:
 >
 > This is broken… just saw this thread.
 >
 >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott 
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
 >> downloading apps is broken.
 >>
 >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
 >>> might be
 >>> a good reason to try it.
  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
  wrote:
 
  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but
  not
  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going
  to
  install them?
 
  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps
  that
  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
 
  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
 > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
 > 1-finger
 > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange
 > Apps”
 > it
 > will say “Edit Mode”.
 >
 > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
 > Drop
 > where it used to say Move App.
 >
 > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a
 > second.
 > Treat
 > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder
 > you want
 > or
 > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item
 > into
 > that
 > folder.
 >
 > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder
 > I
 > believe
 > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick.
 > give it
 > some
 > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
 >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg
 >> 
 >> wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi!
 >> How do one drag and drop?
 >> And where did you find about that feature?
 >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
 >> do.
 >> /A
 >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
 >>> :
 >>>
 >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
 >>> operate
 >>> differently.
 >>>
 >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes
 >>> me to a
 >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me
 >>> back to
 >>> the
 >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
 >>> time.
 >>> Yes,
 >>> reporting this.
 >>>
 >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
 >>> them
 >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The
 >>> Home
 >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get
 >>> Hand off
 >>> to
 >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
 >>>
 >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
 >>> sluggish
 >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
 >>>
 >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
 >>> to go
 >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream
 >>> Reader
 >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
 >>>
 >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
 >>> didn’t

Re: Pages shortcut

[Harry Bell]

Marvellous! I've ordered it now! Will it tell me how to get the voiceover focus 
back into a Pages document in order to edit when I'm stuck because focus has 
inexplicably got stuck going round the fonts and styles in the panel to the 
right of the actual Pages document?
Thanks
Harry

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 15:12, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Harry,
> 
> Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
> 
> 
> I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really 
>> struggle with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac 
>> (and on iOS too!)
>> Harry
>> 
>>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ann,
>>> 
>>> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
>>> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
>>> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
>>> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
>>> 
>>> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages 
>>> book, still going through it..
>>> 
>>> Cait
>>> 
 On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
 Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the 
 numpad of an extended keyboard.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need 
> to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just 
> reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
> Preferences.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am having trouble with pages.
>> 
>> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes 
>> a page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am 
>> unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section 
>> on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
>> 
>> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
>> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
>> app here?
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Harry,

Here’s the link to the web page where you can purchase the Pages book:
>

I’m afraid it only covers Pages on the Mac.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 29 Jun 2017, at 14:32, Harry Bell  wrote:
> 
> Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really struggle 
> with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac (and on iOS 
> too!)
> Harry
> 
>> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ann,
>> 
>> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
>> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
>> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
>> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
>> 
>> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
>> still going through it..
>> 
>> Cait
>> 
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
>>> Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the 
>>> numpad of an extended keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
 
 
 
 You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need 
 to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just 
 reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
 You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
 Preferences.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am having trouble with pages.
> 
> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
> page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am 
> unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section 
> on the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
> 
> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
> 
> thanks!
> Caitlyn
> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular 
> app here?
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Re: Go to Meeting and Skype

[Scott Granados]

Best of luck on your interview today.  I’m pulling for you.  
 

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Following Scott's post, I decided to do some googling of Skype and Go to 
> Meeting.  I found the following article, and thought I'd share, since video 
> conferencing is becoming such a common need in the workplace.  My meeting is 
> actually a job interview, so I'm not going to try this today, as I don't want 
> to risk running into trouble.  But I Hope it is helpful.
> 
> http://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-skype-gotomeeting-44898.html 
>  
> Cheers,
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Go to Meeting and Skype

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Following Scott's post, I decided to do some googling of Skype and Go to 
Meeting.  I found the following article, and thought I'd share, since video 
conferencing is becoming such a common need in the workplace.  My meeting is 
actually a job interview, so I'm not going to try this today, as I don't want 
to risk running into trouble.  But I Hope it is helpful.

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/use-skype-gotomeeting-44898.html 
 
Cheers,
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Re: How to use terminal?

[-dan d.]

I use terminal almost exclusively.  The gui destop runs terminal based
programs under the hood.  For example finder runs mdfind to perform its
functions.  One can just use mdfind in terminal or one of the other file
search programs of unix/linux. present in the terminal.

The terminal allows one extensive and detailed control over activity that
is determined by whoever develops the same kind of thing in the gui
desktop.  One does it their way or not at all.

If I use a gui desktop program I open it from the terminal and then exit it
whe done back to terminal.

There are a very few programs like vlc I use in the gui desktop
environment.

I use a terminal command to start vlc for example which ends in the desired
local media file name or the url of one on the net.  It then loads that 
source and plays it.


On Wed, 28 Jun 2017, E.T. wrote:


   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my
password was when creating an installer.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.

Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
when you use the sudo command.
Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
for a while.

sudo is a bit more secure in that:
1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
can be executed by whom whith what rights.
2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
work.

Take care,
Jonathan Cohn




On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. > wrote:

  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
some cases you may be asked for your log in password.

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 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:

Hi,

I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the ?others? folder.  when I entered I found my
last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don?t know
where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
that it said, ?Terminal has no windows?.  So how, exactly, do I use
it to put in code?

Thanks,




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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Daniel Miller]

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Ah I see this, no more purchased button.
> 
> Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> 
>> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
>> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same 
>> device after a reset or an uninstall.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>>> wrote:
>>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>>> 
>>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>>> >
>>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
>>> >>> might be
>>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>>  install them?
>>> 
>>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>> 
>>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>> > 1-finger
>>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>>> > Apps”
>>> > it
>>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>>> >
>>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
>>> > Drop
>>> > where it used to say Move App.
>>> >
>>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>> > Treat
>>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>>> > want
>>> > or
>>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>>> > that
>>> > folder.
>>> >
>>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>>> > believe
>>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>>> > some
>>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi!
>>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>>> >> /A
>>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> >>> :
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
>>> >>> operate
>>> >>> differently.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me 
>>> >>> to a
>>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>> >>> the
>>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>> >>> Yes,
>>> >>> reporting this.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
>>> >>> them
>>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand 
>>> >>> off
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>>> >>> go
>>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
>>> >>> didn’t
>>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>> >>> but
>>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
>>> >>> issues
>>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>> >>> iOS
>>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>>  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

Ah I see this, no more purchased button.

Good point Nimer and glad to see you on here.

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same device 
> after a reset or an uninstall.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  > wrote:
> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
> 
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  > > wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  >> > wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
> >>> be
> >>> a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott   > wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>  install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley   > wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
> > where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want
> > or
> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
> > that
> > folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
> > believe
> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
> > some
> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
> >> /A
> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>> >:
> >>>
> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
> >>> differently.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
> >>> the
> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> reporting this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
> >>> to
> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>
> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
> >>> but
> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>
> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
> >>> updating or searching for apps.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
> >>> iOS
> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert   >
>  wrote:
> 
>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>  1. 

Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Daniel Miller]

Sent from my iPhone  

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:45 AM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you 
> previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same device 
> after a reset or an uninstall.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>> 
>> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
>> >
>> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
>> >
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> >> downloading apps is broken.
>> >>
>> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might 
>> >>> be
>> >>> a good reason to try it.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>>  install them?
>> 
>>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>> 
>>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>> > 1-finger
>> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>> > Apps”
>> > it
>> > will say “Edit Mode”.
>> >
>> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
>> > where it used to say Move App.
>> >
>> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>> > Treat
>> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>> > want
>> > or
>> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
>> > that
>> > folder.
>> >
>> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
>> > believe
>> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
>> > some
>> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi!
>> >> How do one drag and drop?
>> >> And where did you find about that feature?
>> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> >> /A
>> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>> >>> :
>> >>>
>> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>> >>> differently.
>> >>>
>> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to 
>> >>> a
>> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>> >>> the
>> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>> >>> Yes,
>> >>> reporting this.
>> >>>
>> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>> >>> to
>> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>> >>>
>> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>> >>>
>> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to 
>> >>> go
>> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>> >>>
>> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>> >>> but
>> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>> >>>
>> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>> >>> updating or searching for apps.
>> >>>
>> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>> >>> iOS
>> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>>  
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
>>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
>>  actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>>  2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>>  

Re: How to use terminal?

[Scott Granados]

Creating an installer is a great use of sudo because it runs the program as 
root and needs root to access the various block devices.  It’s also why you 
need to be careful because root has access to all your files and block 
devices.;)

Even running sudo on most unix machines gives you a little speech about being a 
super user before executing the first time.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:59 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   I do as little as possible in Terminal, One instance where I used my 
> password was when creating an installer.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/28/2017 7:21 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>> Ah, be very careful of any command in terminal that requires your
>> password. These are commands that are using the "sudo" command.
>> 
>> Sudo essentially says run this as root which is the most privileged user
>> on a UNIX system. While you can not break system files in Sierra due to
>> extra security added, any file in user space can be viewed or modified
>> when you use the sudo command.
>> Why sudo you might ask? Well originally there was su for substitute
>> user. This allows one to access the computer with another permissions
>> for a while.
>> 
>> sudo is a bit more secure in that:
>> 1. There is a configuration file in /etc/sudoers that says what commands
>> can be executed by whom whith what rights.
>> 2. It prompts you four your password rather than the person you are
>> trying to execute as so there is no need to share a password to do this
>> work.
>> 
>> Take care,
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:51 PM, E.T. >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Last I ran Terminal, I simply pasted code in and pressed enter. In
>>> some cases you may be asked for your log in password.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>> our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 1:48 PM, Sharon Hooley wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I want to try copying and pasting the coding that was sent earlier.
 I found Terminal in the “others” folder.  when I entered I found my
 last log-in date, among other things, including shell .  I don’t know
 where to type or paste.  .  Then I inadvertently closed the window so
 that it said, “Terminal has no windows”.  So how, exactly, do I use
 it to put in code?
 
 Thanks,
 
 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Nimer Jaber]

Updating works fine... the issue is if you are downloading apps that you
previously had installed, either on another device or even on the same
device after a reset or an uninstall.

Thanks.

On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 8:16 AM Scott Granados 
wrote:

> I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.
>
> > On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> >
> > This is broken… just saw this thread.
> >
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
> >>
> >> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
> >> downloading apps is broken.
> >>
> >> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> >>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so
> might be
> >>> a good reason to try it.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott 
> wrote:
> 
>  When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
>  installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
>  install them?
> 
>  Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
>  you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
> 
>  On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> > I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the
> 1-finger
> > flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange
> Apps”
> > it
> > will say “Edit Mode”.
> >
> > If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and
> Drop
> > where it used to say Move App.
> >
> > Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> > Treat
> > this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you
> want
> > or
> > location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
> > that
> > folder.
> >
> > Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
> > believe
> > you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give
> it
> > some
> > time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
> >> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg <
> and...@pipkrokodil.se>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi!
> >> How do one drag and drop?
> >> And where did you find about that feature?
> >> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will
> do.
> >> /A
> >>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> >>> :
> >>>
> >>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but
> operate
> >>> differently.
> >>>
> >>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me
> to a
> >>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back
> to
> >>> the
> >>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the
> time.
> >>> Yes,
> >>> reporting this.
> >>>
> >>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving
> them
> >>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
> >>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand
> off
> >>> to
> >>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
> >>>
> >>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or
> sluggish
> >>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
> >>>
> >>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able
> to go
> >>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
> >>> though so just a different way of doing things.
> >>>
> >>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I
> didn’t
> >>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
> >>> but
> >>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
> >>>
> >>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no
> issues
> >>> updating or searching for apps.
> >>>
> >>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
> >>> iOS
> >>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>  On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert <
> scottslistm...@gmail.com>
>  wrote:
> 
>  here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen
> on
>  my 6S behaving any differently.
>  1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is
> an
>  actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between
> messages.
>  2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
>  erradically.
>  3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
>  hour.
>  E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
>  condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>  4. When typing 

Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Scott Granados]

Oh I wouldn’t be so sure.  There’s a lot of hobbyistss out there who will try 
to and once successful crack and publish their findings.  Remember the whole 
Clipper project was undone for Uncle Sam by a lowly intern at Bell Labs who was 
cracking clipper while getting coffee.:)
That or the Military will come up with something so much better for 
it’s own uses they will release their old tech for commercial use.  Let’s not 
forget the old GPS signal used to have a fudge factor injected to deliberately 
detune the measurement capabilities of civilian applications.  Stopped a long 
time ago but as time passes and more competition happens in the space who 
knows.  A lot of global positioning systems are in the works or under way now.  
The Chinese, Russians, US, India, South America, Europeans and Middle East just 
to name a few.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You got that right about the military signals. Not going to happen.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the exact same thought.  I wonder if they use the gyro or something to 
>> help.  Plus you have the regular deviation in the GPS signal depending on 
>> signal conditions.
>>   I wish we could get access to the military encrypted signals, sub meter 
>> way finding would be nice.
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. 
>>> The problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  
>>> speak, is often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go 
>>> to. It might be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the 
>>> makers of nearby explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where 
>>> exactly on the map or whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more 
>>> interested in cars getting to where they're going and pedestrians
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when 
 I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
 The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
 pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
 clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you 
 were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the 
 track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over 
 the door.
 
 
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  
> wrote:
> 
> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something 
>> different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in 
>> several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very 
>> simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
>>> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing 
>>> was added to accessibility.
>>> 
>>> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk 
>>> about.
>>> 
>>> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
>>> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
>>> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed 
>>> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first 
>>> Apple Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me 
>>> verify if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>>> 
>>> Best Wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

ah, makes sense.  Sounds like for today, the phone it will be.  But good to 
know there's an option out there.
Donna
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The invite I got was an email with a specific Skype for business join link in 
> it.  If not the phone option is a good one, I use that all the time with the 
> various services. 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Scott.  That's interesting.  when I tried the test meeting, I just 
>> got an error message.  Skype for business did not come up.  I'll look into 
>> that. Thanks,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
>>> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
>>> had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
>>> business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
>>> controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  
>>> Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the 
>>> video problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
 unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
 spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need 
 for you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very 
 much for the offer.
 Best,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
> Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if 
> you like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services 
> for web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now 
> re-branded as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS 
> though I think I had to jigger things a bit to have the slides 
> automatically read. 
> 
> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials 
> in advance.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> thanks, David.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or 
 on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
 having any luck.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Scott Granados]

The invite I got was an email with a specific Skype for business join link in 
it.  If not the phone option is a good one, I use that all the time with the 
various services. 

> On Jun 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Scott.  That's interesting.  when I tried the test meeting, I just 
> got an error message.  Skype for business did not come up.  I'll look into 
> that. Thanks,
> Donna
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
>> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
>> had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
>> business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
>> controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  
>> Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video 
>> problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
>>> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
>>> spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for 
>>> you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much 
>>> for the offer.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
 option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To 
 Meetings tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you 
 like for the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for 
 web meetings are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded 
 as Skype for Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I 
 had to jigger things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
 
 The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
 advance.
 
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> thanks, David.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or 
>>> on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
>>> having any luck.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, Scott.  That's interesting.  when I tried the test meeting, I just got 
an error message.  Skype for business did not come up.  I'll look into that. 
Thanks,
Donna
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
> gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I 
> had a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for 
> business application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The 
> controls on the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  
> Not sure if that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video 
> problem if Skype for business / link is supported.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
>> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
>> spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for 
>> you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much 
>> for the offer.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings 
>>> tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for 
>>> the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings 
>>> are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for 
>>> Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger 
>>> things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
>>> 
>>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
>>> advance.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin > wrote:
 
 thanks, David.
 Cheers,
 Donna
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden  > wrote:
> 
> No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or 
>> on Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
>> having any luck.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Scott Granados]

I haven’t tried downloading apps but updating seems to work.

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Nimer Jaber  wrote:
> 
> This is broken… just saw this thread.
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 16:21, Portia Scott  wrote:
>> 
>> Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like
>> downloading apps is broken.
>> 
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so might be
>>> a good reason to try it.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
 
 When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not
 installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going to
 install them?
 
 Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that
 you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
 
 On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 1-finger
> flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange Apps”
> it
> will say “Edit Mode”.
> 
> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and Drop
> where it used to say Move App.
> 
> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
> Treat
> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you want
> or
> location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the item into
> that
> folder.
> 
> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I
> believe
> you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger flick. give it
> some
> time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app moving.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> How do one drag and drop?
>> And where did you find about that feature?
>> I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
>> /A
>>> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate
>>> differently.
>>> 
>>> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a
>>> sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to
>>> the
>>> home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time.
>>> Yes,
>>> reporting this.
>>> 
>>> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them
>>> from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home
>>> designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off
>>> to
>>> work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off occurs.
>>> 
>>> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish
>>> depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>>> 
>>> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go
>>> into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader
>>> though so just a different way of doing things.
>>> 
>>> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t
>>> realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop
>>> but
>>> once I figured it out, I do like it.
>>> 
>>> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues
>>> updating or searching for apps.
>>> 
>>> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the
>>> iOS
>>> beta, things seem to be working OK though.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
 wrote:
 
 here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on
 my 6S behaving any differently.
 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an
 actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around
 erradically.
 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the
 hour.
 E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather
 condition and tempature is not read by VO.
 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text
 shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the
 onscreen keyboard.
 
 Scott
 
 On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the
> mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
> our intelligence. You simply turn your 

Re: Go to meeting?

[Scott Granados]

The Skype for business, at least on the Mac is accessible.  I think it’s 
gotomeeting that uses Skype for business as a valid data source.  I know I had 
a meeting invite the other day, clicked on the link and the Skype for business 
application started itself and connected me to the meeting.  The controls on 
the Skype for business AKA MS Link are also pretty accessible.  Not sure if 
that helps at all but that might be a good solution to the video problem if 
Skype for business / link is supported.


> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:56 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I do have a dial-in number, so that will have to do, I suppose.  It's 
> unfortunate, b/c they wanted a video call.  I also have a test link.  I've 
> spent some time trying to access it from MY PC, but no joy.  So no need for 
> you to spend your time tomorrow trying to connect, but thank you very much 
> for the offer.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> While the web page is not very accessible, Go To Meeting always has the 
>> option for doing call in to the meeting. I believe I have to Go To Meetings 
>> tomorrow, so I could try to connect via Mac and/or Windows if you like for 
>> the second meeting. I believe most screen sharing services for web meetings 
>> are inaccessible for the blind. Microsoft Lync now re-branded as Skype for 
>> Business could work with PowerPoint and JAWS though I think I had to jigger 
>> things a bit to have the slides automatically read. 
>> 
>> The only alternative I can see is requesting any presentation materials in 
>> advance.
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:02 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> thanks, David.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:00 PM, David Chittenden > wrote:
 
 No, Go To Meeting is not accessible.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
 Mobile: +61 488 988 936
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On 29/06/2017, at 04:57, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not 
> having any luck.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Is Screencast accessible

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Sorry, but one more app accessibility question.  anyone know if Screencast is 
accessible on the Mac?
TIA,
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Re: Go to meeting?

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Hi Cait,

I've had the same experience with go To Webinar.  But at least it lets you go 
to the webinar.  Go to Meeting doesn't even let you get into the meeting.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 29, 2017, at 6:51 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
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> I’ve used goto webinar on my mac.  It was useable, but only just.  buttons 
> and tabs aren’t labeled intelligently, and at times, the chat function 
> doesn’t work properly.Cait
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:30 PM, michael dailey > > wrote:
>> 
>> No I have never had luck with GTM on either.
>> 
>> Try Zoom.us , I only messed with it a bit but it worked 
>> great on my Mac and Windows computers.
>> 
>> Mike Dailey
>> 905 Live Oak St.
>> Beaufort, NC 28516-1722
>> 720-341-6427
>> mpd...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 2:57 PM, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Can anyone tell me if Go to Meeting is accessible either on the Mac or on 
>>> Windows?  I'm trying to connect to a test session on my Mac and not having 
>>> any luck.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Harry Bell]

Oh, is there a Pages book??? I love the Mac Basics book and I really struggle 
with Pages and would love to get a book to help with Pages on Mac (and on iOS 
too!)
Harry

> On 29 Jun 2017, at 13:12, Caitlyn Furness  wrote:
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> Hi Ann,
> 
> When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn 
> command return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am 
> using an extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little 
> bluetooth keyboards and laptops..
> 
> Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
> still going through it..
> 
> Cait
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 3:34 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
>> Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the 
>> numpad of an extended keyboard.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need 
>>> to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just 
>>> reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
>>> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
>>> Preferences.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I am having trouble with pages.
 
 There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
 page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am 
 unable to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on 
 the menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
 
 Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
 shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
 
 thanks!
 Caitlyn
 ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app 
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Caitlyn Furness]

Hi Ann,

When I looked up the shortcut on apple’s pages site, it said to use fn command 
return..  I was just confused at first because on my i mac, I am using an 
extended keyboard.  I thought the fn key was only for the little bluetooth 
keyboards and laptops..

Oh, well, live and learn!  thanks for answering, and I love your pages book, 
still going through it..

Cait

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> The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
> Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the numpad 
> of an extended keyboard.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need 
>> to. This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just 
>> reply to a message especially if you don't change the subject.
>> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
>> Preferences.
>>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I am having trouble with pages.
>>> 
>>> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
>>> page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable 
>>> to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the 
>>> menu bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
>>> 
>>> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
>>> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
>>> 
>>> thanks!
>>> Caitlyn
>>> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app 
>>> here?
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Re: Go to meeting?

[Caitlyn Furness]

I’ve used goto webinar on my mac.  It was useable, but only just.  buttons and 
tabs aren’t labeled intelligently, and at times, the chat function doesn’t work 
properly.Cait

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:30 PM, michael dailey  wrote:
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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

I've downloaded apps from the apps store app and had no issues with it on IOS 
11  Pub Beta

What trouble are you having with the application downloads.

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On Behalf Of Portia Scott
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 9:21 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Okay, a friend is trying to figure it out, but it looks like downloading apps 
is broken.

On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> Haven’t tried that one yet. Need to seriously clean out my apps so 
> might be a good reason to try it.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:19 PM, Portia Scott  wrote:
>>
>> When you have apps in your app store that you have purchased, but not 
>> installed onto your iPhone, do you see a download button when going 
>> to install them?
>>
>> Someone on Twitter was saying you have to install purchased apps that 
>> you want on your iPhone from iTunes.
>>
>> On 6/28/17, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
>>> I was moving the new Files app into a folder. Now if you do the 
>>> 1-finger flick down with actions selected in the rotor, instead of “Arrange 
>>> Apps”
>>> it
>>> will say “Edit Mode”.
>>>
>>> If you double tap on this, you will find an action called Drag and 
>>> Drop where it used to say Move App.
>>>
>>> Double tapping on Drag and Drop will pause your screen for a second.
>>> Treat
>>> this just as you would the iOS10 move command. Go to the folder you 
>>> want or location, flick down and you will see an action to drop the 
>>> item into that folder.
>>>
>>> Sorry, I feel like I’m missing a step here but once in the folder I 
>>> believe you have to confirm the drop spot with another 1-finger 
>>> flick. give it some time as it’s not as clean yet as the iOS10 app 
>>> moving.
 On Jun 28, 2017, at 12:37 PM, Anders Holmberg 
 
 wrote:

 Hi!
 How do one drag and drop?
 And where did you find about that feature?
 I haven’t read the article yet that was posted here but sure will do.
 /A
> 28 juni 2017 kl. 16:39 skrev Jenine Stanley
> :
>
> I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but 
> operate differently.
>
> 1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me 
> to a sign in screen and asks for my device password then kicks me 
> back to the home screen. This is frustrating as I use that gesture 
> all the time.
> Yes,
> reporting this.
>
> 2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving 
> them from most recent on the right to most recent on the left. The 
> Home designation is gone and I haven’t yet figured out how to get 
> Hand off to work, say to switch back after an accidental hand off 
> occurs.
>
> 3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or 
> sluggish depending on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.
>
> 4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able 
> to go into the files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream 
> Reader though so just a different way of doing things.
>
> 5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I 
> didn’t realize you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag 
> and drop but once I figured it out, I do like it.
>
> 6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no 
> issues updating or searching for apps.
>
> Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from 
> the iOS beta, things seem to be working OK though.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert 
>> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen 
>> on my 6S behaving any differently.
>> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is 
>> an actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
>> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around 
>> erradically.
>> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the 
>> hour.
>> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather 
>> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
>> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text 
>> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the 
>> onscreen keyboard.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: 

RE: mac os server

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Tim,

Thanks for that,

Yeah was searching last night and was finding a number of articals.


Interesting how they have it setup now,
Select the service and then configure it

Cheers again for the information.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 8:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac os server

Simon,

There is likely a "Take Control of MacOS Sierra Server" eBook out there.  The 
Take Control series are usually quite good books.  Other than that, there's 
good stuff just on the Net.  Just do a search on what service you wish to get 
more detail on, along with MacOS Server in the search parameters and there's 
lots of helpful material.  I've mostly did all my Server stuff the second way 
and I've got Leopard, Snow Leopard, El Capitan and Sierra servers all going 
within our domain.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 28, 2017, at 04:24, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Does any one know of a good tech manual on OSX server in the current case it is 
ver: 10.12.x sierra server.




Cheers for any info people might have.

Simon f

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Anders

Give it time and play lots,
There are some very nice things in there that I think you will come to like ,

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 4:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

Hi!
A bit of a lag is there but it is so small i don’t find it irritating.
But this is on an Iphone Se.
SO far Ios 11 does not impress me.
SOme new things in the control center makes it more usable ofcourse but i 
thought they should add more voices to swedish but sadly not.
/A
28 juni 2017 kl. 12:01 skrev Simon Fogarty 
>:

Try a two finger double swipe up or down and tell me what you think!

My phone doesn’t seem to be liking swipes up / down with two or three fingers,
I’m finding that sensitivity seems to be lacking currently but might be just a 
first release issue.

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 1:46 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I’m not noticing this sensitivity issue yet.  I’m just up and running with the 
beta though installing it early this morning.

On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:57 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi List,

Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my suggestion 
would be
DON”T!

I have and although a number of things are looking good
I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as lively as 
normal,
A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase without 
closing the app and then reopening it.
Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not noticed it 
before but a feature to download all purchased ring and alert tones infact it’s 
all tones whether you have purchased or made them yourself.



So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.

But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.

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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Yes the new app store and itunes stores are two things I also like,


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 2:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

I’m finding a few things that may not necessarily be bugs but operate 
differently. 

1. The 4-finger swipe to change apps no longer works. It takes me to a sign in 
screen and asks for my device password then kicks me back to the home screen. 
This is frustrating as I use that gesture all the time. Yes, reporting this. 

2. The app Switcher has reversed the order of apps again, moving them from most 
recent on the right to most recent on the left. The Home designation is gone 
and I haven’t yet figured out how to get Hand off to work, say to switch back 
after an accidental hand off occurs. 

3. Some screen sensitivity  issues, either too sensitive or sluggish depending 
on the app and task. I’m using a 6S.

4. Voice Dream Reader can’t get books from the cloud. I was able to go into the 
files app and share then copy a book to Voice Dream Reader though so just a 
different way of doing things. 

5. getting used to the drag and drop feature took some time. I didn’t realize 
you could grab multiple things, like apps, to drag and drop but once I figured 
it out, I do like it. 

6. OK, call me weird but I like the new app store. I’ve had no issues updating 
or searching for apps. 

Other than a few apps I’m beta testing on their own, apart from the iOS beta, 
things seem to be working OK though.
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Scott Davert  wrote:
> 
> here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on 
> my 6S behaving any differently.
> 1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an 
> actions rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
> 2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
> 3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
> E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather 
> condition and tempature is not read by VO.
> 4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text 
> shortcuts appear not to be functioning. It works fine using the 
> onscreen keyboard.
> 
> Scott
> 
> On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
>>Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't 
>>> something I expected.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>> 
>>> Simon,
>>>That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out 
>>> and destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
 Hi List,
 
 
 
 Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
 suggestion would be DON”T!
 
 
 
 I have and although a number of things are looking good
 
 I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
 lively as normal,
 
 A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / 
 purchase without closing the app and then reopening it.
 
 Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
 noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
 alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or 
 made them yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
 
 
 
 But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
 
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RE: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi scott,

 Not a braille user so not a worry for me in this case.

The screen sensitivity issues I'm having are a lack of sensitivity  when doing 
things like 2 finger swipe up or down,
 So two finger swipe up to the top of the screen doesn't work,

This is on a 7+ so possibly the screen is the difference.

A couple of new rota options, mis spelled words while typing a message in the 
iMessage app.

And a number of other features which I'm so far going to say are very cool.




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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Davert
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 2:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11

here are some bugs I have found. I'm not noticing my touch screen on my 6S 
behaving any differently.
1. The messages rotor option has disappeared from mail. There is an actions 
rotor option, but no effective way to jump between messages.
2. When editing using a braille display, the cursor jumps around erradically.
3. In the weather app, the 24 hour forecast does not display the hour.
E.G. 8 PM, sunny, 77 degrees. The hour of that forecasted weather condition and 
tempature is not read by VO.
4. When typing using a braille display, for some reason, text shortcuts appear 
not to be functioning. It works fine using the onscreen keyboard.

Scott

On 6/28/17, E.T.  wrote:
> Exactly Simon. This is what beta testing is for.
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 6/28/2017 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>> Yeah sure but one of the main gestures not working correctly wasn't 
>> something I expected.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Wednesday, 28 June 2017 2:07 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Upgrading to IOS Public beta 11
>>
>> Simon,
>> That IS the whole idea behind betas. Your mission is to seek out 
>> and destroy all bugs. Its not to get a sneak peek at the future.
>>
>>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>"God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/27/2017 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ok so if you haven’t already done this public beta update then my 
>>> suggestion would be DON”T!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have and although a number of things are looking good
>>>
>>> I am finding that the screen sensitivity of my iPhone 7+ isn’t as 
>>> lively as normal,
>>>
>>> A couple of itunes installations wouldn’t take the accept / purchase 
>>> without closing the app and then reopening it.
>>>
>>> Nice new feature in sounds within settings, or at least I’ve not 
>>> noticed it before but a feature to download all purchased ring and 
>>> alert tones infact it’s all tones whether you have purchased or made 
>>> them yourself.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So far only a couple of bugs but I’m sure there will be more to come.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But the sensitivity of the screen is a bit of an issue.
>>>
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RE: file volt weirdness

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Jonathan,

No from fresh installation of sierra
Which is weird because my mba was also a fresh install of sierra

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Thursday, 29 June 2017 1:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: file volt weirdness

Could this be what  you need to do?

• bullet If you're using FileVault in Mac OS X Snow Leopard, you can upgrade to 
FileVault 2 by upgrading to OS X Lion or later. After upgrading OS X, open 
FileVault preferences and follow the onscreen instructions to upgrade 
FileVault. group with 2 items.
If this system was running the older version or was migrated from an older 
system and you never did this then you might be running File Vault 1.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn


On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:

Hi Listers,

A few weeks ago we had a discussion on file volt not speaking at the log in 
prompt or vise versa

I’ve just put sierra on to a mac mini I’ve obtained from work,

I thought I’d secure things more with file volt and low and behold it only 
beeps when trying to log in, or at least it did before I locked myself out.

Now what I find weird about this is that on my mac book air I have sierra 
installed and file volt enabled yet vo will speak if I command f5 at the prompt 
I log in and am away and racing.

My mac book air is a mid 2013 july MBA and the mac mini is a late 2010 device,

I’m just wondering if this difference in file volt behaviour is due to hardware 
differences

But I thought it was interesting that one machine works one way and the other 
machine another way.

Cheers,


Simon F


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GGMM E5

[Georges Zaynoun]

Hi!
Maybe some of us here know this is a bluetooth and wifi speaker which  
has got an app on iOS and Google Play and is Alexa enabled.
As I am located in Sweden and I linked my Amazon account to this  
speaker I don't want it to give me wrong information I am not in Seatle 
in the US I am in Sweden.
I agree I have to speak English but I want to change location and maybe 
some other settings.
I tried download the Alexa app but I was redirected to the US AppStore  
and when I wanted to download I was again redirected to my store the  
Swedish Store but it is not there.

Is Android and Google Play my only bet to manage Alexa?

Thanks.

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Re: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[Sandi Jazmin Kruse]

Hi Mary.
Okay let me be more exact, if you take a picture, okay if you like me
go out to something and take maybe 40 different pictures, it is really
nice that your iPhone tries to explain to you what is on them, and it
is closer to being right on the money more often than not.
I think you are meaning O C R?
The iPhone don’t tell me it is a black chevy parked at day time, at
least not its inbuilt, other programs does however.
Sometimes  i think we need to take a step back, and be like, how would
my life be if i did not have this device?

Best, Sandie

On 6/28/17, David Chittenden  wrote:
> Yes, I had one of the receivers for a few years whilst living in SF.
>
> The iPhone becomes the receiver. The marked GPS coordinates becomes the
> transmitter. The clear speech occurs when the iPhone is directly aligned,
> and becomes static as the iPhone's alignment changes in relation to the
> coordinates (a virtual transmitter).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 29/06/2017, at 09:00, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>
>> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when
>> I was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You
>> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the
>> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you
>> were.  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the
>> track number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over
>> the door.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called
>>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It
>>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
 On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados 
 wrote:

 Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s
 included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something
 different?  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in
 several public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very
 simple analog Infrared signals but was fairly effective.


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn 
> wrote:
>
> This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta.
> Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing
> was added to accessibility.
>
> I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk
> about.
>
> Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and
> airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles
> from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed
> every weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first
> Apple Retail store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me
> verify if I have passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
>
> Best Wishes,
>
> Jonathan
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Re: Pages shortcut

[Anne Robertson]

The page break shortcut works just fine. What you have to remember is that 
Enter is not Return but FN-Return on a laptop, or the Enter key on the numpad 
of an extended keyboard.

Cheers,

Anne



> On 28 Jun 2017, at 19:24, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> You should be able to make any menu item a keyboard shortcut, if you need to. 
> This has  been discussed on the list before. Also, please don't just reply to 
> a message especially if you don't change the subject.
> You need to modify application shortcuts in the keyboard panel of System 
> Preferences.
>> On Jun 28, 2017, at 11:05 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am having trouble with pages.
>> 
>> There is supposed to be a keyboard shortcut, command enter, which makes a 
>> page break.  when I hit this, my mac makes a bonking noise, and I am unable 
>> to perform the keyboard shortcut.  If I go to the insert section on the menu 
>> bar, and choose insert page break, then it works.
>> 
>> Is there any fix for this??  I’d love to be able to use this keyboard 
>> shortcut versus going through the menu bar..
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Caitlyn
>> ps-I am thinking about getting Scrivener, any users of that particular app 
>> here?
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