Re: iPhone X and hard reset

[Janet Ingber]

Hi,
Press the volume up button and then quickly press the volume down button.  
Finally, hold in the side button for a few seconds.  If you have some vision or 
have sighted assistance available, hold the side button until the Apple logo 
appears.

Hope this helps.

Janet

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Apple Nerd  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi listers, 
> I am trying to help my brother hard reset his iPhone X and we can't get how 
> to reset it. I found an article on iDrop News but he tried doing it and he 
> was unable to reset hhis phone. How long do we wait after each button press? 
> I know the first step is to press and hold the side button then quickly 
> release. How long does he have to hold the button in?
> 
> Sent from my iPod
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iPhone X and hard reset

[Apple Nerd]

Hi listers, 
I am trying to help my brother hard reset his iPhone X and we can't get how to 
reset it. I found an article on iDrop News but he tried doing it and he was 
unable to reset hhis phone. How long do we wait after each button press? I know 
the first step is to press and hold the side button then quickly release. How 
long does he have to hold the button in?

Sent from my iPod

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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[alia robinson]

It has not gotten better!it is truly awful. you have to change input as well as 
output on your display, and if you touch the wrong things it changes volume or 
page or forgets where you left off. I can make it work but it’s hardly worth 
the trouble. in fact the book I’m reading now has the volumes mislabeled. 
volume 1 is actually volume 2, as if navigation weren’t awful enough. it’s just 
easier to read elsewhere.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:36 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Devin,

Do you use the BARD app for reading Braille?

The last time I tried using the BARD app with my Braille display, I couldn't 
make heads or tails of it.  

The navigation was atrocious, to say the least.  I got so confused and 
depressed, trying to figure it out, that I never tried it again, after that 
first attempt.  

This was back in iOS 9.  

Has it gotten better?  

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RE: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[M. Taylor]

Hello Devin,

Do you use the BARD app for reading Braille?

The last time I tried using the BARD app with my Braille display, I couldn't 
make heads or tails of it.  

The navigation was atrocious, to say the least.  I got so confused and 
depressed, trying to figure it out, that I never tried it again, after that 
first attempt.  

This was back in iOS 9.  

Has it gotten better?  

Perhaps I'll give it another go in iOS 11.

Mark 


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 8:14 AM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

How is Kindle with Braille better than BARD Mobile? Just wondering, as BARD 
Mobile shows pure Braille, and I doubt Kindle can put in things like Braille 
italics and such.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind



On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:51 AM, alia robinson  wrote:

no, braille has worked great on kindle for a few years now.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
no luck with braille…

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RE: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[M. Taylor]

Hello Anouk,

Yes, the Braille display customization features became available in iOS 11.  

Give it a try and let us know what you think.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Anouk Radix
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:49 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
no luck with braille… Greetings, Anouk,

> Op 9 dec. 2017, om 15:47 heeft alia robinson  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> kindle in braille is the best, much better than any other app like bard in 
> the us or ibooks.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I 
> thought that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I 
> was mistaken in this…
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RE: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[M. Taylor]

Hello Alia,

I have had excellent results reading Braille in both iBook and Kindle, as well 
as other apps.

iBook is my preferred eBook reader of choice; however, I am spending more and 
more time on the Kindle app.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of alia robinson
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 6:48 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

kindle in braille is the best, much better than any other app like bard in the 
us or ibooks.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I thought 
that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I was mistaken in 
this…

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RE: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[M. Taylor]

Hello Ramy,

As far as I know, what you are experiencing is unique to your device.  

It may be helpful to conduct some test calls to determine what happens 
immediately after a reboot of the phone, making certain to clear any apps from 
the App-Switcher.  

It has been my experience that, regardless of what Apple purports, certain apps 
can definitely impede call quality.

Mark

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2017 1:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

Hello all:

I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I must wait 
2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also listen to my voice.
is this a voice over bug or general one?
is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks


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soft phones?

[Stacey Robinson]

What are soft phones?   
Peace,
Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk.

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> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
> I've been thinking about starting to use a soft phone.  What service to you 
> use and what does it cost?
> TIA,
> Donna
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm personally partial to the gamer headsets from Sennheiser. These are
>> headsets, meaning they include a microphone. I've used mine as a soft
>> phone for years. You can find them via Amazon. There model numbers keep
>> changing, as do the prices, so wait for a sale.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can get 
>>> this working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it natively.  
>>> Anyone know whare I can get one?  Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
>>> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>>> 
>>> Hi Janina,
>>> 
>>> Yeah but if you’re a total like me
>>> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask 
>>> for sighted assistances.
>>> 
>>> I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
>>> all windows systems.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>>> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
>>> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>>> 
>>> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon 
>>> enough! 
>>> 
>>> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
>>> notice, and all went fine.
>>> 
>>> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
>>> ... Well, I don't know since ...
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
 
 I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
 possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
 search yet.
 
 I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
 didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
 boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
 I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
 Command Escape.
 
 Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
 hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
 terminal environment.
 
 Janina
 
 Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina
> 
> Waw,
> I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> 
> I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
> that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
> file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
> again by bootcamp.
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> Hi, Simon:
> 
> I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log 
> of old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> 
> 
> It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth 
> of formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> 
> I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> Sheesh.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
>> HiJanina,
>> 
>> I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
>> new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process 
>> as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT 
>> format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the 
>> required installation files and apple can read 

RE: iPhone X cases?

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Donna,

I've got 3 now but only use 1,

It's a wallet case as I like to have protection over the screen and it's got 
slots for my credit card etc.

The one I use is made from TPU plastic around the phone and the back / front 
are a canvas like product which is very hard waring as I'm hard on cases.

I also have an apple wallet case or folio case which is a fine leather 
Black with a card slot and cash slot.

 This I haven't used as it didn't fit my needs 

I'd use a lifeproof or or otta box but I prefer to carry cards so I don't need 
my wallet 


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 2:06 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone X cases?

I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox serious, 
but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Kliphton Miller]

I tried to use the folyo case, but it didn’t stay closed, so I went with the 
apple leather case and temperd glass.  I usually go with the oterbox serious, 
but this time I wanted my phone to be less bulky.
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 3:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
> Cheers,
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RE: app store access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

I’m not sure if it’s worked but I setup an alias to my main mail address
Then wiped an iPod and reset it up using the country I want the apple id in,
Not sure if it’s worked but hey we’ll see what happens.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 1:10 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: app store access

If you use one email address, it is necessary to change countries in iTunes. 
Each time you change countries, you need to enter a valid street address in 
said country.
Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Dec 2017, at 19:18, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi David,

Can you use the same email address for each account or do they need to have 
different accounts?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 6:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: app store access

Hi,

Creating an account in any country requires a legimitate physical / mailing 
address in the country. Do not select a credit card. This account can be used 
to download free apps. I have a US, NZ, and AUS accounts. Note that if one 
purchases iTunes cards on an account, it is not possible to change countries 
for said account until the iTunes funds are completely used.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:22, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi List,

Not sure if I should really ask this but it is apple product related,

Does anyone have information on how to setup an account in the itunes / app 
store for apple for a country other than the one they live in?

I’m interested in setting up an account for the USA iTunes store and also 
Austrailia and would like to know how to do this without requiring a credit 
card for that country.

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[alia robinson]

because navigation on bard is ridiculous. I *hate* it.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 11:13 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

How is Kindle with Braille better than BARD Mobile? Just wondering, as BARD 
Mobile shows pure Braille, and I doubt Kindle can put in things like Braille 
italics and such.

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Re: app store access

[David Chittenden]

If you use one email address, it is necessary to change countries in iTunes. 
Each time you change countries, you need to enter a valid street address in 
said country.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Dec 2017, at 19:18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
>  
> Can you use the same email address for each account or do they need to have 
> different accounts?
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 6:29 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: app store access
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Creating an account in any country requires a legimitate physical / mailing 
> address in the country. Do not select a credit card. This account can be used 
> to download free apps. I have a US, NZ, and AUS accounts. Note that if one 
> purchases  iTunes cards on an account, it is not possible to change countries 
> for said account until the iTunes funds are completely used.
>  
> Kind regards,
>  
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:22, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> Not sure if I should really ask this but it is apple product related,
>  
> Does anyone have information on how to setup an account in the itunes / app 
> store for apple for a country other than the one they live in?
>  
> I’m interested in setting up an account for the USA iTunes store and also 
> Austrailia and would like to know how to do this without requiring a credit 
> card for that country.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
>  
> Simon F
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RE: microsoft edge on IOS

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina,

Yes 
I've checked a couple of times in the NZ app store for it but nothing there yet,

However searching for Microsoft gives a very large number of results including 
some very enterprised based services.



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Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 7:48 AM
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Subject: Re: microsoft edge on IOS

Well, shouldn't be too long now, Simon. Having finally seen a Windows 10 
environment for myself, I have a new appreciation for how tightly integrated 
Edge is in their business strategy. I'm confident they want to disseminate Edge 
far and wide.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Yes would like to give a try but it's not in our store yet.
> 
> Which is one reason I'd like to access the US and austrailian stores
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: microsoft edge on IOS
> 
> Hi Again, Simon.
> 
> I've had Edge on my Android phone for a couple months now. I like it--more 
> than I expected I would. It's a bit funky about typing in a URI, as opposed 
> to searching via Bing, but it seems to do very well on the various pages I've 
> tried. Sometimes it does better than Chrome Canary or Firefox. Sometimes not.
> 
> I must confess I haven't gone back to try Safari since upgrading to High 
> Sierra. Still need to do that.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Mark emailed out an article re MS having released their Edge web 
> > browser to the IOS app store
> > 
> > Does anyone know if this is out world wide or eeven in the US?
> > 
> > I can't find it in the NZ app store yet!
> > 
> > Chers,
> > 
> > 
> > Simon F
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RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Janina

You've installed the latest windows os version,
Yes my boot camp was done a year or so back so there was no assistive 
installation.

And yes the key presses I am aware of.

Thanks.


-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 7:39 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

Hi, Simon:

The Windows part of the install process is fully accessible. It's not the same 
screen review commands you know from Voice Over, of course, because it isn't 
Voice Over being, rather Narrator on Windows. But, all one need do is activate 
Narrator some little time after the Windows installer starts by pressing 
Windows plus Control plus Enter.

FYI:The Command key becomes the Windows key
The Option key becomes the Alt key
Return becomes Enter

All this is explained in the podcast that is the first message in this email 
thread. I am remiss for not thanking them for showing the way.
They're a bit chatty while waiting for the computer to do its thing, i.e. the 
podcast could be improved by being edited down to no more than ten minutes, but 
all the data is there and it's quite well illustrated.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Yeah but if you’re a total like me
> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask 
> for sighted assistances.
> 
>  I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
> all windows systems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> 
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon 
> enough! 
> 
> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
> notice, and all went fine.
> 
> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
> ... Well, I don't know since ...
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
> > 
> > I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list 
> > of possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct 
> > that search yet.
> > 
> > I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
> > didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
> > boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
> > I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
> > Command Escape.
> > 
> > Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need 
> > a hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
> > terminal environment.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > Hi Janina
> > > 
> > >  Waw,
> > > I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> > > 
> > > I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
> > > that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
> > > file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
> > > again by bootcamp.
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp 
> > > accessibly
> > > 
> > > Hi, Simon:
> > > 
> > > I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> > > of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log 
> > > of old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> > > pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> > > forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> > > repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> > > But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth 
> > > of formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> > > 
> > > I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> > > Sheesh.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > > HiJanina,
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
> > > > new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the 
> > > > process as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a 
> > > > GPT format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file 
> > > > contains the required installation files and apple can read from 
> > > > the ISO
> > > > 
> > > > But yes I do see 

RE: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Simon Fogarty]

Yeah,
I’m kind of interested in this also.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2017 5:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

I do have one. Can you explain more how that would work? Thanks.
Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 9, 2017, at 08:55, Robert Carter 
> wrote:
Hi,

If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.

Robert Carter




On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall 
> wrote:

Hi again all,
My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume is 
adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is silent. In 
other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music turns down 
speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How might I do this? I 
always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by the volume buttons, 
but that's not the case at all. Thanks.

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Re: Windows won't shut down in Fusion

[Nickus de Vos]

I always just shut down via the menu bar in Fusion since I find it much easier 
to do, so I can’t even comment on the other way. Or whether it works on my 
side. I’ll test it and give you some feedback

Nickus
Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos...

> On 09 Dec 2017, at 23:11, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> I am running windows 10 in VMWare Fusion on a late 2012 MacBook Pro.
> When I select 'shut down' via the start menu, Windows just shifts
> screens for a minute or two as though it is going to shut down, then
> goes back to the desktop.  The only way I can shut it down is to go to
> the menu bar in Fusion and select 'shut down this virtual machine'.
> Do you have any idea what might be causing this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eric
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Windows won't shut down in Fusion

[Eric Brinkman]

Hello all,

I am running windows 10 in VMWare Fusion on a late 2012 MacBook Pro.
When I select 'shut down' via the start menu, Windows just shifts
screens for a minute or two as though it is going to shut down, then
goes back to the desktop.  The only way I can shut it down is to go to
the menu bar in Fusion and select 'shut down this virtual machine'.
Do you have any idea what might be causing this?

Thanks,
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Re: iPhone X cases?

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
I quite like the Otterbox Commuter series cases. I was told by a Verizon 
representative, and I have tested this, that they will work with wireless 
charging. They are quite durable, but not too bulky or expensive.
HTH,
Aleeha 

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:08 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, 
> I'd love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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iPhone X cases?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Have started looking at cases for my X.  Those of you who have this phone, I'd 
love to hear what case you are using, and how well you like it.
Cheers,
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Re: soft phones (was podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly)

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Janina,

I've been thinking about starting to use a soft phone.  What service to you use 
and what does it cost?
TIA,
Donna
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 12:42 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm personally partial to the gamer headsets from Sennheiser. These are
> headsets, meaning they include a microphone. I've used mine as a soft
> phone for years. You can find them via Amazon. There model numbers keep
> changing, as do the prices, so wait for a sale.
> 
> Janina
> 
> ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can get 
>> this working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it natively.  
>> Anyone know whare I can get one?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>> 
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> Yeah but if you’re a total like me
>> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask 
>> for sighted assistances.
>> 
>> I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
>> all windows systems.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
>> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
>> 
>> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon 
>> enough! 
>> 
>> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
>> notice, and all went fine.
>> 
>> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
>> ... Well, I don't know since ...
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
>>> 
>>> I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
>>> possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
>>> search yet.
>>> 
>>> I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
>>> didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
>>> boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
>>> I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
>>> Command Escape.
>>> 
>>> Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
>>> hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
>>> terminal environment.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Simon Fogarty writes:
 Hi Janina
 
 Waw,
 I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
 
 I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
 that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
 file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen again 
 by bootcamp.
 -Original Message-
 From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
 
 Hi, Simon:
 
 I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
 of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log 
 of old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
 
 
 It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
 pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
 forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
 repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
 But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth of 
 formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
 
 I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
 Sheesh.
 
 Janina
 
 Simon Fogarty writes:
> HiJanina,
> 
> I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
> new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process 
> as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT 
> format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the 
> required installation files and apple can read from the ISO
> 
> But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive 
> will let the windows installation work directly from that USB 
> rather than through the middle man AFS
> 
> In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one 
> 

Re: microsoft edge on IOS

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Well, shouldn't be too long now, Simon. Having finally seen a Windows 10
environment for myself, I have a new appreciation for how tightly
integrated Edge is in their business strategy. I'm confident they want to
disseminate Edge far and wide.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Yes would like to give a try but it's not in our store yet.
> 
> Which is one reason I'd like to access the US and austrailian stores 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 12:34 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: microsoft edge on IOS
> 
> Hi Again, Simon.
> 
> I've had Edge on my Android phone for a couple months now. I like it--more 
> than I expected I would. It's a bit funky about typing in a URI, as opposed 
> to searching via Bing, but it seems to do very well on the various pages I've 
> tried. Sometimes it does better than Chrome Canary or Firefox. Sometimes not.
> 
> I must confess I haven't gone back to try Safari since upgrading to High 
> Sierra. Still need to do that.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Mark emailed out an article re MS having released their Edge web 
> > browser to the IOS app store
> > 
> > Does anyone know if this is out world wide or eeven in the US?
> > 
> > I can't find it in the NZ app store yet!
> > 
> > Chers,
> > 
> > 
> > Simon F
> > 
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Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I'm personally partial to the gamer headsets from Sennheiser. These are
headsets, meaning they include a microphone. I've used mine as a soft
phone for years. You can find them via Amazon. There model numbers keep
changing, as do the prices, so wait for a sale.

Janina

ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com writes:
> Hi,
> 
> I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can get 
> this working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it natively.  
> Anyone know whare I can get one?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Yeah but if you’re a total like me
> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask 
> for sighted assistances.
> 
>  I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
> all windows systems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon enough! 
> 
> 
> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
> notice, and all went fine.
> 
> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
> ... Well, I don't know since ...
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
> > 
> > I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
> > possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
> > search yet.
> > 
> > I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
> > didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
> > boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
> > I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
> > Command Escape.
> > 
> > Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
> > hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
> > terminal environment.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > Hi Janina
> > > 
> > >  Waw,
> > > I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> > > 
> > > I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
> > > that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
> > > file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
> > > again by bootcamp.
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> > > 
> > > Hi, Simon:
> > > 
> > > I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> > > of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log 
> > > of old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> > > pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> > > forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> > > repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> > > But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth 
> > > of formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> > > 
> > > I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> > > Sheesh.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > > HiJanina,
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
> > > > new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process 
> > > > as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT 
> > > > format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the 
> > > > required installation files and apple can read from the ISO
> > > > 
> > > > But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive 
> > > > will let the windows installation work directly from that USB 
> > > > rather than through the middle man AFS
> > > > 
> > > > In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one 
> > > > rather simple smallish file
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 2:22 PM
> > > > To: 

Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Simon:

The Windows part of the install process is fully accessible. It's not
the same screen review commands you know from Voice Over, of course,
because it isn't Voice Over being, rather Narrator on Windows. But, all
one need do is activate Narrator some little time after the Windows
installer starts by pressing Windows plus Control plus Enter.

FYI:The Command key becomes the Windows key
The Option key becomes the Alt key
Return becomes Enter

All this is explained in the podcast that is the first message in this
email thread. I am remiss for not thanking them for showing the way.
They're a bit chatty while waiting for the computer to do its thing,
i.e. the podcast could be improved by being edited down to no more than
ten minutes, but all the data is there and it's quite well illustrated.

Janina

Simon Fogarty writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
>  Yeah but if you’re a total like me 
> You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask 
> for sighted assistances.
> 
>  I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to 
> all windows systems.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
> To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> 
> No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon enough! 
> 
> 
> This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
> notice, and all went fine.
> 
> Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since 
> ... Well, I don't know since ...
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> > Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
> > 
> > I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
> > possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
> > search yet.
> > 
> > I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
> > didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
> > boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour. 
> > I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
> > Command Escape.
> > 
> > Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
> > hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
> > terminal environment.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > Hi Janina
> > > 
> > >  Waw,
> > > I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> > > 
> > > I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
> > > that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config 
> > > file somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen 
> > > again by bootcamp.
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> > > 
> > > Hi, Simon:
> > > 
> > > I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> > > of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log 
> > > of old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> > > pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> > > forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> > > repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> > > But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth 
> > > of formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> > > 
> > > I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> > > Sheesh.
> > > 
> > > Janina
> > > 
> > > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > > HiJanina,
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
> > > > new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process 
> > > > as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT 
> > > > format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the 
> > > > required installation files and apple can read from the ISO
> > > > 
> > > > But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive 
> > > > will let the windows installation work directly from that USB 
> > > > rather than through the middle man AFS
> > > > 
> > > > In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one 
> > > > rather simple smallish file
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 2:22 

Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Jonathan Cohn]

Sorry, off topic a bit but I was thinking of donating a Kindle reader to my 
place of worship with a Kindle book copy of the prayer book. Now that you 
mention that Kindle works with Braille on IOS I am wondering if Fire devices 
support Braille or if I should rethink my donation and contribute an older 
iBook. For that matter, could  either of the Android based Braille Notetakers 
support Kindle book reading with Braille? Thinking about providing the most 
flexible solution. 

Thanks for any solutions provided.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:51 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> no, braille has worked great on kindle for a few years now.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
> display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
> no luck with braille…
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Unwanted language switching in High Sierra

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

This is a question for anyone who runs High Sierra generally in another 
language other than English.
Many members of my French list are having a lot of trouble with VoiceOver 
switching to the Alex voice for no apparent reason when they have a perfectly 
good French voice selected in VoiceOver Utility.
Does anyone have this trouble with a system that has been installed in another 
language, or is it just another example of Apple France pretending that 
VoiceOver doesn’t exist so they don’t have to worry about its localisation?
Cheers,

Anne



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Re: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions

[Nancy Badger]

Hello,
I actually feel the same way about voice dream reader when you download books 
share books onto it. You cannot get to the description again.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 2:59 AM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> If it is any concilation, I have the same problem in the Kindle app.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2017, at 08:52, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Simon,
>> 
>> I'm not referring to how the titles of the books are displayed but, rather, 
>> being able to read each title's short description that appears when 
>> purchasing the title.  
>> 
>> Let say that you have purchased over 200 titles.  Now over time, you may 
>> forget what each title is about, so to speak. It would be nice to be able to 
>> read the book jacket/short description of each title in order to quickly 
>> refresh your memory.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
>> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:21 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> So once purchased the book do you go back in to the my books tab of the 
>> iBooks app?
>> 
>> Then there are a number of options on how you wish to view books Either 
>> title or author etc,
>> 
>> May be I'm not understanding what your meaning by thins. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
>> Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 3:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,  
>> 
>> As you know, when searching for a title in iBook Store, one can read a short 
>> description of the book.
>> 
>> However, try as I may, I cannot locate title book descriptions in my iBook 
>> bookshelf after having purchased the title.  
>> 
>> Does anyone know of a way to get this info other than returning to the 
>> search area of the app and bringing up the title, again, as if one wanted to 
>> purchase it?  
>> 
>> All replies appreciated.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Alex Hall]

I do have one. Can you explain more how that would work? Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 08:55, Robert Carter  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.
> 
> Robert Carter
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again all,
>> My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
>> volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume 
>> is adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is 
>> silent. In other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music 
>> turns down speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How might 
>> I do this? I always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by the 
>> volume buttons, but that's not the case at all. Thanks.
>> 
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Re: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?

[Alex Hall]

Thanks, everyone. It was the 3d press on playback controls that I was missing. 
I sure wish there was a faster way. I'll play around more with removing and 
reinserting them after disconnecting from the Mac or other devices to see how 
well that works.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:18, Aleeha Dudley  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> You can also go to control center, either double tap and hold or 3D touch on 
> the now playing controls, and select layback destination. Your AirPods should 
> appear there.
> HTH,
> Aleeha 
> 
>> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes,  I use these methods.  and you can also go to Bluetooth and connect 
>> there.
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2017, at 23:45, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>>  
>> As crazy as it sounds try either taking them out of your ears and putting 
>> them back in,
>> Or open the charging case over your phone and see what happens.
>>  
>> I’ve had similar issues with my pods and phone / watch.
>>  
>> Good luck.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:20 PM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> I got myself an early Christmas present today, and am happily rocking my 
>> first set of AirPods. Overall, I quite like them, though I still feel that 
>> supporting both double and triple taps on each Pod would make them far more 
>> efficient to use. Still, having better Siri access and a more convenient 
>> charge/carry method than Aftershoks is nice.
>>  
>> My question is about reconnecting them. I started with them on my phone, as 
>> most people do, then told my Mac to use them. I disconnected from my Mac, 
>> and they didn't revert to my iPhone like I thought they would. I had to go 
>> to bluetooth settings and tap them to get them back. I assumed there'd be a 
>> faster way, though, like in Control Center. How do I do that, if such a way 
>> exists? I know how to select AirPods on Apple Watch and Mac, but not on 
>> iPhone or iPad. I'd also like to have them default to my phone when 
>> disconnected from another device, but I have a feeling that's not yet 
>> possible. Any help here would be great. Thanks.
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Devin Prater]

How is Kindle with Braille better than BARD Mobile? Just wondering, as BARD 
Mobile shows pure Braille, and I doubt Kindle can put in things like Braille 
italics and such.
Devin Prater
Assistive Technology Instructor in Training
JAWS, Microsoft Outlook, Excel, Word, and Powerpoint certified by World 
Services for the Blind



> On Dec 9, 2017, at 8:51 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> no, braille has worked great on kindle for a few years now.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
> display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
> no luck with braille…
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RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[ilovecountrymusic483]

Hi,

I just need to get a good USB headset and I will be all set.  If I can get this 
working, I can get rid of windows 10 in a vm and use it natively.  Anyone know 
whare I can get one?  Thanks.

Matthew



-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 8:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

Hi Janina,

 Yeah but if you’re a total like me
You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask for 
sighted assistances.

 I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to all 
windows systems.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon enough! 


This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
notice, and all went fine.

Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since ... 
Well, I don't know since ...

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
> 
> I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of 
> possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that 
> search yet.
> 
> I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it 
> didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB, 
> boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
> I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option 
> Command Escape.
> 
> Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a 
> hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its 
> terminal environment.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina
> > 
> >  Waw,
> > I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> > 
> > I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put 
> > that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config file 
> > somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen again by 
> > bootcamp.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> > 
> > Hi, Simon:
> > 
> > I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> > of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log of 
> > old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> > 
> > 
> > It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> > pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> > forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> > repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> > But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth of 
> > formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> > 
> > I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> > Sheesh.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > HiJanina,
> > > 
> > > I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a 
> > > new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process 
> > > as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT 
> > > format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the 
> > > required installation files and apple can read from the ISO
> > > 
> > > But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive 
> > > will let the windows installation work directly from that USB 
> > > rather than through the middle man AFS
> > > 
> > > In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one 
> > > rather simple smallish file
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > > Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 2:22 PM
> > > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp 
> > > accessibly
> > > 
> > > I guess as I think about this a bit more, I think I understand the issue 
> > > is access to the file system housing the iso image. I suppose Microsoft 
> > > and Apple haven't decided to give Windows mounting access to afs.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I understand about Windows drivers to run Windows on Apple hardware.
> > > That makes tons of sense. But, why not incloud the ability to mount afs 
> > > in the bundle and install Windows directly 

Re: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?

[Aleeha Dudley]

Hi, 
You can also go to control center, either double tap and hold or 3D touch on 
the now playing controls, and select layback destination. Your AirPods should 
appear there.
HTH,
Aleeha 

> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Yes,  I use these methods.  and you can also go to Bluetooth and connect 
> there.
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2017, at 23:45, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Alex,
>  
> As crazy as it sounds try either taking them out of your ears and putting 
> them back in,
> Or open the charging case over your phone and see what happens.
>  
> I’ve had similar issues with my pods and phone / watch.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:20 PM
> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?
>  
> Hi all,
> I got myself an early Christmas present today, and am happily rocking my 
> first set of AirPods. Overall, I quite like them, though I still feel that 
> supporting both double and triple taps on each Pod would make them far more 
> efficient to use. Still, having better Siri access and a more convenient 
> charge/carry method than Aftershoks is nice.
>  
> My question is about reconnecting them. I started with them on my phone, as 
> most people do, then told my Mac to use them. I disconnected from my Mac, and 
> they didn't revert to my iPhone like I thought they would. I had to go to 
> bluetooth settings and tap them to get them back. I assumed there'd be a 
> faster way, though, like in Control Center. How do I do that, if such a way 
> exists? I know how to select AirPods on Apple Watch and Mac, but not on 
> iPhone or iPad. I'd also like to have them default to my phone when 
> disconnected from another device, but I have a feeling that's not yet 
> possible. Any help here would be great. Thanks.
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Re: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?

[Eric Caron]

Yes,  I use these methods.  and you can also go to Bluetooth and connect there.
Eric Caron 



On Dec 8, 2017, at 23:45, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Alex,
 
As crazy as it sounds try either taking them out of your ears and putting them 
back in,
Or open the charging case over your phone and see what happens.
 
I’ve had similar issues with my pods and phone / watch.
 
Good luck.
 
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] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:20 PM
To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >
Subject: How do I get iOS to go back to AirPods?
 
Hi all,
I got myself an early Christmas present today, and am happily rocking my first 
set of AirPods. Overall, I quite like them, though I still feel that supporting 
both double and triple taps on each Pod would make them far more efficient to 
use. Still, having better Siri access and a more convenient charge/carry method 
than Aftershoks is nice.
 
My question is about reconnecting them. I started with them on my phone, as 
most people do, then told my Mac to use them. I disconnected from my Mac, and 
they didn't revert to my iPhone like I thought they would. I had to go to 
bluetooth settings and tap them to get them back. I assumed there'd be a faster 
way, though, like in Control Center. How do I do that, if such a way exists? I 
know how to select AirPods on Apple Watch and Mac, but not on iPhone or iPad. 
I'd also like to have them default to my phone when disconnected from another 
device, but I have a feeling that's not yet possible. Any help here would be 
great. Thanks.

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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[alia robinson]

no, braille has worked great on kindle for a few years now.

On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:

Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
no luck with braille…

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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, Is this since ios 11? When trying it with 10 i just got an empty braille 
display and could only use speech by swiping down with 2 figners from top but 
no luck with braille…
Greetings, Anouk,

> Op 9 dec. 2017, om 15:47 heeft alia robinson  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> kindle in braille is the best, much better than any other app like bard in 
> the us or ibooks.
> 
> On Dec 9, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Anouk Radix  wrote:
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> Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I thought 
> that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I was mistaken in 
> this…
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[alia robinson]

kindle in braille is the best, much better than any other app like bard in the 
us or ibooks.

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Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I thought 
that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I was mistaken in 
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, I did not know that you COULD read kindle books with braille. I thought 
that was not possible. Now I will have to retry it, glad if I was mistaken in 
this…
Greetings, Anouk,

> Op 9 dec. 2017, om 12:46 heeft Angie Nutt  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> I so agree with you; I love reading Kindle books in braille for instance. 
> When I first got a braille display about 2 years ago I was over the moon. I 
> still use speech though when my hands are doing other things; just love the 
> choice.
> 
> All the best
> Angie
>> On 9 Dec 2017, at 05:47, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I just finished an hour of reading Braille on my Focus 40 Blue display.  
>> 
>> I must say that this was the best non-Jaws Braille display reading
>> experience I've enjoyed since 2011.  If memory serves, 2011 was the last
>> year in which I could pan right, using a left panning wheel on my display,
>> in iOS.  
>> 
>> Now, with all of the wonderful Braille display customization options, I can,
>> once again, use my beloved Wiz Wheels to my heart's content.  (smile).  
>> 
>> I am so delighted to see that UEB (Unified English Braille) is also being
>> properly translated in iOS 11.
>> 
>> To me, no matter how convenient audio feedback may be, there is something
>> ineffably beautiful about Braille.  What a gift to behold.
>> 
>> Bravo to Apple for finally giving Braille its well-earned respect.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Robert Carter]

Hi,

If you have one, Apple Watch is a great way to control AirPod volume.

Robert Carter



> On Dec 9, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
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> Hi again all,
> My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
> volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume 
> is adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is 
> silent. In other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music 
> turns down speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How might 
> I do this? I always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by the 
> volume buttons, but that's not the case at all. Thanks.
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Media and VO volumes with AirPods?

[Alex Hall]

Hi again all,
My other major concern with AirPodw is volume. My Aftershokz have onboard 
volume control, but now I have to use my phone. I've noticed that VO volume is 
adjusted with media volume, even if I change the volume while VO is silent. In 
other words, despite VO not speaking, turning down loud music turns down 
speech. I want to lower the music but keep VO the same. How might I do this? I 
always thought VO had to be speaking to be controlled by the volume buttons, 
but that's not the case at all. Thanks.

--
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Re: To Me, Braille is Beautiful in iOS 11.x

[Angie Nutt]

I so agree with you; I love reading Kindle books in braille for instance. When 
I first got a braille display about 2 years ago I was over the moon. I still 
use speech though when my hands are doing other things; just love the choice.

All the best
Angie
> On 9 Dec 2017, at 05:47, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I just finished an hour of reading Braille on my Focus 40 Blue display.  
> 
> I must say that this was the best non-Jaws Braille display reading
> experience I've enjoyed since 2011.  If memory serves, 2011 was the last
> year in which I could pan right, using a left panning wheel on my display,
> in iOS.  
> 
> Now, with all of the wonderful Braille display customization options, I can,
> once again, use my beloved Wiz Wheels to my heart's content.  (smile).  
> 
> I am so delighted to see that UEB (Unified English Braille) is also being
> properly translated in iOS 11.
> 
> To me, no matter how convenient audio feedback may be, there is something
> ineffably beautiful about Braille.  What a gift to behold.
> 
> Bravo to Apple for finally giving Braille its well-earned respect.
> 
> Mark
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Iphone 6 with Ios 11.2 bug

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hello all:

I have my Iphone 6, after updated to ios 11, when answering a call, I
must wait 2 or 3 seconds to here the person's voice, he could not also
listen to my voice.
is this a voice over bug or general one?
is there a way to avoid this?

Thanks


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RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi, I haven’t tried that but I have just installed the update to the newest 
version and yes narrator is using that new key press. Although using windows u 
and then alt n still seems to work at the log in prompt.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 8:05 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly


I have not been following this thread but I understood that one of the big 
features of the Windows 10 Fall Update that came out this Autumn is that it is 
now possible for blind people now can install Accessibily out of the box.  
Narrator is now available during Setup. You turn Narrator on with control 
windows enter. I  have not tried it myself but it certainly has been reported.
My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
My Blind hammer Blog
https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts

From: Simon Fogarty
Sent: 09 December 2017 01:45
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

Hi Janina,

Yeah but if you’re a total like me
You get the reboot and then it all goes dark and quiet, and you have to ask for 
sighted assistances.

I so wish Microsoft would put a fully accessibile installation means in to all 
windows systems.

-Original Message-
From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 2:42 PM
To: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>
Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly

No, not a bad config, just bad behavior because I didn't respond soon enough! 


This time I baby sat the install, ready to enter my password at a second's 
notice, and all went fine.

Sheesh.  I haven't had to work this hard on an install since, since, since ... 
Well, I don't know since ...

Janina

'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Yes, Simon. I think possibly a bad config somewhere.
>
> I think I saw a message in one Google search that specified a list of
> possible culpirt files, but I haven't been able to reconstruct that
> search yet.
>
> I ran both the scm and nvram procedures I found referenced. But it
> didn't seem to help. After copying all kinds of files onto the USB,
> boot camp got locked into a "boot camp busy" message for a good hour.
> I decided that was some kind of loop so blasted out with Option
> Command Escape.
>
> Back to the drawing board. I seriously want this to succeed. I need a
> hard look at the Linux support Windows 10 is now providing in its
> terminal environment.
>
> Janina
>
> Simon Fogarty writes:
> > Hi Janina
> >
> >  Waw,
> > I've never pulled the USB out during bootcamp so haven't struck that.
> >
> > I will agree though that the process is bloody slow, I always put
> > that down to my internet connection Possibly you have a corrupt config file 
> > somewhere that needs to be removed to allow that USB to be seen again by 
> > bootcamp.
> > -Original Message-
> > From: 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries
> > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 5:23 AM
> > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: podcast on installing windows with bootcamp accessibly
> >
> > Hi, Simon:
> >
> > I guess I'm just shocked at how slow and cumbersome the boot camp process 
> > of writing to USB media is. Frankly, I wonder whether there's just a log of 
> > old code there than hasn't been updated since the Pleistocene.
> >
> >
> > It's also very unforgiving. On my first try with boot camp I stupidly 
> > pulled the USB without first ejecting, and boot camp hasn't forgotten or 
> > forgiven me. DiskTool is happy with this stick, I've re formatted and 
> > repartitioned it on Linux with no issues, but Boot Camp won't touch it.
> > But, it won't touch it after tyeing up the Airbook with an hour's worth of 
> > formatting, downloading, and copying of files.
> >
> > I've googled on this and see I need to go play with scm and nvram.
> > Sheesh.
> >
> > Janina
> >
> > Simon Fogarty writes:
> > > HiJanina,
> > >
> > > I don't think so as the installation of windows is actually to a
> > > new partition which eventually becomes NTFS but starts the process
> > > as the AFS, then after the partitioning in bootcamp is a GPT
> > > format, this I don't see as an issue as the ISO file contains the
> > > required installation files and apple can read from the ISO
> > >
> > > But yes I do see what you mean, putting things on to a flash drive
> > > will let the windows installation work directly from that USB
> > > rather than through the middle man AFS
> > >
> > > In all honesty the windows installation files can be found in one
> 

RE: app store access

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi David,

Can you use the same email address for each account or do they need to have 
different accounts?



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, 9 December 2017 6:29 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: app store access

Hi,

Creating an account in any country requires a legimitate physical / mailing 
address in the country. Do not select a credit card. This account can be used 
to download free apps. I have a US, NZ, and AUS accounts. Note that if one 
purchases iTunes cards on an account, it is not possible to change countries 
for said account until the iTunes funds are completely used.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

On 8 Dec 2017, at 18:22, Simon Fogarty 
> wrote:
Hi List,

Not sure if I should really ask this but it is apple product related,

Does anyone have information on how to setup an account in the itunes / app 
store for apple for a country other than the one they live in?

I’m interested in setting up an account for the USA iTunes store and also 
Austrailia and would like to know how to do this without requiring a credit 
card for that country.

Cheers,


Simon F

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Re: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions

[David Chittenden]

If it is any concilation, I have the same problem in the Kindle app.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Dec 2017, at 08:52, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Simon,
> 
> I'm not referring to how the titles of the books are displayed but, rather, 
> being able to read each title's short description that appears when 
> purchasing the title.  
> 
> Let say that you have purchased over 200 titles.  Now over time, you may 
> forget what each title is about, so to speak. It would be nice to be able to 
> read the book jacket/short description of each title in order to quickly 
> refresh your memory.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2017 10:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> So once purchased the book do you go back in to the my books tab of the 
> iBooks app?
> 
> Then there are a number of options on how you wish to view books Either title 
> or author etc,
> 
> May be I'm not understanding what your meaning by thins. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Friday, 8 December 2017 3:42 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: A Question About iBook for iOS, Book Descriptions
> 
> Hello Everyone,  
> 
> As you know, when searching for a title in iBook Store, one can read a short 
> description of the book.
> 
> However, try as I may, I cannot locate title book descriptions in my iBook 
> bookshelf after having purchased the title.  
> 
> Does anyone know of a way to get this info other than returning to the search 
> area of the app and bringing up the title, again, as if one wanted to 
> purchase it?  
> 
> All replies appreciated.
> 
> Mark
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