Re: Keychain

[Agent086b]

Thanks for the reply.
The only devices at this time to access Keychain would be Apple devices. I am 
not so sure about storing the other things in notes. I will have to think about 
this carefully.
Max.
> On 15 Jan 2018, at 12:09 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I use Keychain, but I use it to store passwords I come up with. It offers, 
> but I don't let it generate passwords for me. A few things about Keychain:
> 
> * It's not for documents, notes, or anything else. It stores secure 
> information, like credit card details or passwords, for auto-fill in websites 
> and apps. To store notes, you'd use the Notes app, optionally 
> password-protecting them.
> 
> * Keychain is only available for Apple products. The moment you want to 
> auto-fill your password from Keychain on Windows or Android, you're out of 
> luck. This isn't a problem if you live in Apple World as my family does, but 
> it's worth keeping in mind and could be a show-stopper for plenty of users.
> 
> * It can be a little complex to set up, using a different code to enable on 
> macOS and doing some other funny things. It's not bad, but it's not a simple 
> checkbox either.
> 
> * Oddly, it will auto-fill at your request. That is, you can use it with no 
> additional security. On iOS, for instance, you can let it fill in a card or 
> password, no Touch ID necessary. Of course, your device has to be unlocked, 
> but it's still worth remembering that anyone can log in or fill in cards if 
> they have your unlocked device. They can't see passwords, and auto-filled 
> cards that need a security code still make you enter the code.
> 
> That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 20:01, Agent086b > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am thinking of switching later this year to using Keychain to store my 
>> passwords etc. I have been using Lastpas since about 2010. Since they were 
>> purchased by Log Me In INC the price has doubled to $24.00 US per year. That 
>> is not much except the Australian Dollar is usually between 70c  & 80c US. 
>> Are people using Keychain? if so can you store  documents or as Lastpas 
>> calls them secure notes. In notes I store passwords for Apps and things like 
>> safe combination for a safe and other things that if I have died my wife can 
>> find them. 
>> Thanks as always for any help.
>> Max.
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Re: Keychain

[E.T.]

   1Password might be an option. Its cross platform friendly.

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On 1/14/2018 5:01 PM, Agent086b wrote:

Hi all,
I am thinking of switching later this year to using Keychain to store my passwords 
etc. I have been using Lastpas since about 2010. Since they were purchased by Log 
Me In INC the price has doubled to $24.00 US per year. That is not much except the 
Australian Dollar is usually between 70c  & 80c US. Are people using Keychain? 
if so can you store  documents or as Lastpas calls them secure notes. In notes I 
store passwords for Apps and things like safe combination for a safe and other 
things that if I have died my wife can find them.
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.



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Re: Keychain

[Alex Hall]

I use Keychain, but I use it to store passwords I come up with. It offers, but 
I don't let it generate passwords for me. A few things about Keychain:

* It's not for documents, notes, or anything else. It stores secure 
information, like credit card details or passwords, for auto-fill in websites 
and apps. To store notes, you'd use the Notes app, optionally 
password-protecting them.

* Keychain is only available for Apple products. The moment you want to 
auto-fill your password from Keychain on Windows or Android, you're out of 
luck. This isn't a problem if you live in Apple World as my family does, but 
it's worth keeping in mind and could be a show-stopper for plenty of users.

* It can be a little complex to set up, using a different code to enable on 
macOS and doing some other funny things. It's not bad, but it's not a simple 
checkbox either.

* Oddly, it will auto-fill at your request. That is, you can use it with no 
additional security. On iOS, for instance, you can let it fill in a card or 
password, no Touch ID necessary. Of course, your device has to be unlocked, but 
it's still worth remembering that anyone can log in or fill in cards if they 
have your unlocked device. They can't see passwords, and auto-filled cards that 
need a security code still make you enter the code.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

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> On Jan 14, 2018, at 20:01, Agent086b  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I am thinking of switching later this year to using Keychain to store my 
> passwords etc. I have been using Lastpas since about 2010. Since they were 
> purchased by Log Me In INC the price has doubled to $24.00 US per year. That 
> is not much except the Australian Dollar is usually between 70c  & 80c US. 
> Are people using Keychain? if so can you store  documents or as Lastpas calls 
> them secure notes. In notes I store passwords for Apps and things like safe 
> combination for a safe and other things that if I have died my wife can find 
> them. 
> Thanks as always for any help.
> Max.
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Keychain

[Agent086b]

Hi all,
I am thinking of switching later this year to using Keychain to store my 
passwords etc. I have been using Lastpas since about 2010. Since they were 
purchased by Log Me In INC the price has doubled to $24.00 US per year. That is 
not much except the Australian Dollar is usually between 70c  & 80c US. Are 
people using Keychain? if so can you store  documents or as Lastpas calls them 
secure notes. In notes I store passwords for Apps and things like safe 
combination for a safe and other things that if I have died my wife can find 
them. 
Thanks as always for any help.
Max.

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Re: moving icons in IOS 11

[David Chittenden]

Hi,

If the iPhone can be updated to iOS 11, turn the rotor to actions whilst on the 
home screen. Use the single-finger vertical flick to edit mode and double-tap. 
This performs the same function as the double-tap and hold gesture.

Kind regards,

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Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Jan 2018, at 03:56, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   The Actions menu is accessed when you have done the double tap and hold and 
> you hear the tones and the Start Editing message. Swipe up or down for the 
> options, one of which is the drag and drop.
> 
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>> On 1/14/2018 9:36 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:
>> Jonathan
>> Using the iPhone 5S, how do you activate the activity rotor?
>> Angus MacKinnon
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Re: Quick Question about Using an Apple Keyboard with Bootcamp

[Alex Hall]

Your call entirely. Which you choose will have no impact on how/how well the 
keyboard works. I use wired, but only because I'm too cheap to by a wireless 
one. Plus, I prefer mechanical keyboards, and the one I'm on now was $25 on 
sale; a wireless mechanical keyboard is north of $100, last I looked.

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> On Jan 14, 2018, at 14:10, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
> 
> Sounds great.
> 
> I’m looking into purchasing an external keyboard but I haven’t used Windows 
> in years. Will a wireless keyboard work well or should I deal with wires?
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Alex Hall > > wrote:
>> 
>> Your NVDA key can be caps lock, which I've come to prefer even on desktop 
>> keyboards. I believe that's in either general or keyboard settings for NVDA.
>> 
>> Applications I'm not as sure of, but I know people often recommend a program 
>> called Sharp Keys. I don't have a link handy, but a search engine should 
>> find it for you. Using this program, you can re-assign keys at will. For 
>> instance, for when I don't have a full keyboard handy and need to run 
>> Windows virtually on my own Mac, I use the accent key as the NVDA modifier. 
>> I do this since VMWare can't get the caps lock key, but as you're using 
>> Bootcamp, this won't be a concern.
>> 
>> --
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:56, Des Delgadillo >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I’m sorry if this question’s been asked before if there’s a good tutorial 
>>> available I’d love if anyone could point me to it.
>>> 
>>> I’m taking the plunge and installing Windows this afternoon, but before I 
>>> do I have a concern about the Mac’s keyboard working with Windows. I’ve 
>>> read somewhere that the applications key isn’t supported on the Apple 
>>> keyboard. Is there a way to re-map the apple keyboard for use on Windows so 
>>> I have an applications key and a modifier key for NVDA?
>>> 
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Re: Command to email link in Safari no longer works?

[Andrew Lamanche]

It’s still working here with the latest Safari and Sierra.

Andrew
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 6:48 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Command+shift+I in Safari used to open mail with a message containing the 
> current URL.
> 
> This was an easy way to send someone a link to any website I was on.
> 
> This command seems not to be working any longer. 
> 
> I'm using Safari 11.0.2.
> 
> Could anyone confirm this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

[Jonathan Cohn]

This is from 3-4 years ago but the number and URL should still be correct.


>> Microsoft's Accessibility Answer Desk is available in North America from 5am 
>> to 9pm PST during the week, and 6am to 3pm on the weekends. English language 
>> only.
>> Phone: 800-936-5900
>> Web contact form 
>>  
>> Online chat will be supported in the n
>> 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:00 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, didn't get that phone number yet, but I'll post when I do.
> 
> Turned out my issue, that I though might be an MS issue, was an Apple
> issue after all.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Jonathan Cohn writes:
>> Well Virtiual box has a pretty good command line interface. Did you get the 
>> number for the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?
>> 
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Anders:
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
>>> few years.
>>> 
>>> I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
>>> learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
>>> 
>>> Anders Holmberg writes:
 Hi Janina!
 Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
 I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
 i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
 Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
 Very frustrating.
 /A
 
> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi, Anders:
> 
> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> 
> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> of VMware 10.1.1.
> 
> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> January.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Anders Holmberg writes:
>> Hi!
>>> From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
>>> virtual machine.
>> But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>> command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>> One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
>>> 
>>> Hello Janina,
>>> 
>>> Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
>>> 
>>> My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
>>> have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
>>> 
>>> https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
>>> roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
>>> meet a graphical challenge.
>>> 
>>> Let us know if you crack it.
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
>>> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
>>> 
>>> Michael Hinson 2011
>>> 
 On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce > wrote:
 
 Hello Janina,
 
 Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
 manager to see the driver status.
 
 What the ….. is going on?
 
 
 
 Gena
 
 Call: M0EBP
 Loc: IO83PS
 
 
 
> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Janina,
> 
> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> driver issue.
> 

Re: Quick Question about Using an Apple Keyboard with Bootcamp

[Des Delgadillo]

Sounds great.

I’m looking into purchasing an external keyboard but I haven’t used Windows in 
years. Will a wireless keyboard work well or should I deal with wires?

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Your NVDA key can be caps lock, which I've come to prefer even on desktop 
> keyboards. I believe that's in either general or keyboard settings for NVDA.
> 
> Applications I'm not as sure of, but I know people often recommend a program 
> called Sharp Keys. I don't have a link handy, but a search engine should find 
> it for you. Using this program, you can re-assign keys at will. For instance, 
> for when I don't have a full keyboard handy and need to run Windows virtually 
> on my own Mac, I use the accent key as the NVDA modifier. I do this since 
> VMWare can't get the caps lock key, but as you're using Bootcamp, this won't 
> be a concern.
> 
> --
> Alex Hall
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:56, Des Delgadillo > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I’m sorry if this question’s been asked before if there’s a good tutorial 
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Re: Command to email link in Safari no longer works?

[Donna Goodin]

Wow, that's cool!  I never knew about that command.  Yes, works here, too.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
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>This is still working here in High Sierra.
> 
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>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Antonio Guimaraes > > wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Command+shift+I in Safari used to open mail with a message containing the 
>> current URL.
>> 
>> This was an easy way to send someone a link to any website I was on.
>> 
>> This command seems not to be working any longer. 
>> 
>> I'm using Safari 11.0.2.
>> 
>> Could anyone confirm this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
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Re: Command to email link in Safari no longer works?

[John Panarese]

   This is still working here in High Sierra.


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> On Jan 14, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Antonio Guimaraes  
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> Hi all,
> 
> Command+shift+I in Safari used to open mail with a message containing the 
> current URL.
> 
> This was an easy way to send someone a link to any website I was on.
> 
> This command seems not to be working any longer. 
> 
> I'm using Safari 11.0.2.
> 
> Could anyone confirm this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Antonio
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Command to email link in Safari no longer works?

[Antonio Guimaraes]

Hi all,

Command+shift+I in Safari used to open mail with a message containing the 
current URL.

This was an easy way to send someone a link to any website I was on.

This command seems not to be working any longer. 

I'm using Safari 11.0.2.

Could anyone confirm this?

Thanks,

Antonio

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Re: Quick Question about Using an Apple Keyboard with Bootcamp

[Alex Hall]

Your NVDA key can be caps lock, which I've come to prefer even on desktop 
keyboards. I believe that's in either general or keyboard settings for NVDA.

Applications I'm not as sure of, but I know people often recommend a program 
called Sharp Keys. I don't have a link handy, but a search engine should find 
it for you. Using this program, you can re-assign keys at will. For instance, 
for when I don't have a full keyboard handy and need to run Windows virtually 
on my own Mac, I use the accent key as the NVDA modifier. I do this since 
VMWare can't get the caps lock key, but as you're using Bootcamp, this won't be 
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> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:56, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
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> I’m sorry if this question’s been asked before if there’s a good tutorial 
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> 
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> I have a concern about the Mac’s keyboard working with Windows. I’ve read 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi donna,

All good, thanks for letting me know.  I used that command in the 
distant past with older Mac OS.  I think this is working pretty well over all 
and I’m looking forward to fine tuning it.

 the tips from this thread are very helpful. 

Eric Caron 


On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:54, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Eric,

Sorry, my bad.  I was in the car, so not at my computer at the time.  I did 
think I had done that before, but maybe that command has been removed.  Or 
maybe I'm just imagining that I did it that way.  But you are right, saying 
"computer, what time is it?" does not work.  Sorry for the bum steer.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
>   saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
> and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
> works but is more awkward. 
> 
> The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I 
> like keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things 
> like switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 
> 
> I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
> challenge.
> So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is 
> a “send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem 
> to do anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, 
> you can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
>> 
>> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
>> 
>> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
>> 
>> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
>> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 OK,
 
I got it working again.
 
I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
 table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
 back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area 
 but it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed 
 to check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
 
 I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
 all.”  And it just works. 
 
 Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
 to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
 my phone.
 
 has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
 prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
 found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
 
 All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be 
 available.
 
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked 
> the settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing 
> 

Re: moving icons in IOS 11

[E.T.]

   The Actions menu is accessed when you have done the double tap and 
hold and you hear the tones and the Start Editing message. Swipe up or 
down for the options, one of which is the drag and drop.


From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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On 1/14/2018 9:36 AM, Angus MacKinnon wrote:

Jonathan

Using the iPhone 5S, how do you activate the activity rotor?

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Quick Question about Using an Apple Keyboard with Bootcamp

[Des Delgadillo]

Hi all,
I’m sorry if this question’s been asked before if there’s a good tutorial 
available I’d love if anyone could point me to it.

I’m taking the plunge and installing Windows this afternoon, but before I do I 
have a concern about the Mac’s keyboard working with Windows. I’ve read 
somewhere that the applications key isn’t supported on the Apple keyboard. Is 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Eric,

Sorry, my bad.  I was in the car, so not at my computer at the time.  I did 
think I had done that before, but maybe that command has been removed.  Or 
maybe I'm just imagining that I did it that way.  But you are right, saying 
"computer, what time is it?" does not work.  Sorry for the bum steer.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:13 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
>   saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
> and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
> works but is more awkward. 
> 
> The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I 
> like keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things 
> like switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 
> 
> I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
> challenge.
> So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is 
> a “send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem 
> to do anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, 
> you can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
>> 
>> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
>> 
>> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
>> 
>> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
>> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 OK,
 
I got it working again.
 
I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
 table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
 back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area 
 but it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed 
 to check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
 
 I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
 all.”  And it just works. 
 
 Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
 to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
 my phone.
 
 has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
 prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
 found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
 
 All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be 
 available.
 
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked 
> the settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing 
> seems to happen.
> 
>   to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
> 
>   If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather 
> enjoying it.
> 
> I’ve 

Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi All,

This is really a lot of fun.  I’m focussing on the ways the computer 
will follow commands I ask it.  I just created a command to start a new email 
and it works great.

One glitch I’m noticing.  When I do something like say “computer, start Siri.” 
it actually starts repeating the last text I dictated using actual dictation in 
a word processor or in a email body.  Is this happening to any others?  Is 
there a fix?

example,

I dictate a email and then later on I start Siri and it starts repeating my 
last dictated email.

Eric Caron 


On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:34, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Agreed, it used to be there before Siri, but now does not work for me nor does 
"computer tell me a joke", and I know I tried that in Sierra when I was first 
playing with Siri and dictation. 

I do wonder what the Safari "Make this speakable" command is actually doing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
>   saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
> and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
> works but is more awkward. 
> 
> The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I 
> like keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things 
> like switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 
> 
> I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
> challenge.
> So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is 
> a “send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem 
> to do anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, 
> you can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
>> 
>> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
>> 
>> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
>> 
>> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
>> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 OK,
 
I got it working again.
 
I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
 table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
 back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area 
 but it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed 
 to check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
 
 I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
 all.”  And it just works. 
 
 Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
 to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
 my phone.
 
 has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
 prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
 found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
 
 All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be 
 available.
 
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I made some progress with the 

Re: moving icons in IOS 11

[Angus MacKinnon]

Jonathan

Using the iPhone 5S, how do you activate the activity rotor?

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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Jonathan Cohn]

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
>   saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
> and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
> works but is more awkward. 
> 
> The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I 
> like keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things 
> like switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 
> 
> I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
> challenge.
> So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is 
> a “send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem 
> to do anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, 
> you can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
>> 
>> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
>> 
>> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
>> 
>> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
>> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 OK,
 
I got it working again.
 
I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
 table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
 back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area 
 but it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed 
 to check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
 
 I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
 all.”  And it just works. 
 
 Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
 to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
 my phone.
 
 has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
 prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
 found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
 
 All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be 
 available.
 
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked 
> the settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing 
> seems to happen.
> 
>   to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
> 
>   If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather 
> enjoying it.
> 
> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area. 
>  I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
> mic  and that made no difference.
> 
> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 

Re: Dictation and accessability

[Jonathan Cohn]

Agreed, it used to be there before Siri, but now does not work for me nor does 
"computer tell me a joke", and I know I tried that in Sierra when I was first 
playing with Siri and dictation. 

I do wonder what the Safari "Make this speakable" command is actually doing.


Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn




> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:13 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi donna,
> 
>   saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
> and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
> works but is more awkward. 
> 
> The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I 
> like keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things 
> like switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 
> 
> I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
> challenge.
> So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is 
> a “send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem 
> to do anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, 
> you can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>>  Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
>> 
>> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
>> 
>> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
>> 
>> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
>> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
>> 
>> Best, 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 OK,
 
I got it working again.
 
I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
 table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
 back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area 
 but it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed 
 to check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
 
 I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
 all.”  And it just works. 
 
 Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
 to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
 my phone.
 
 has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
 
 Eric Caron 
 
 
 On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:
 
 Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
 prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
 found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
 
 All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be 
 available.
 
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi listers,
> 
>   I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked 
> the settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing 
> seems to happen.
> 
>   to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
> 
>   If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather 
> enjoying it.
> 
> I’ve 

Re: Dictation and accessability

[Jonathan Cohn]

Eric,

I was speaking of the automator app that has been discussed on this list a 
little. Automator is a application that allows one to drag a set of fairly 
standard sequences into an order and have them be performed. It is supposed to 
be the common man's answer to AppleScript. So you can easily add grab selection 
of photographs and attach to a new e-mail. Automator has had a Save as 
dictation command as one of the options for a couple of years now. 

I am also appending the URL for how to actually have an AppleScript be used as 
a speakable item. This guide says to save them in the Speakable Items area of 
your Library and not in the Scripts folder. So, this information supersedes my 
last e-mail. 

https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/LanguagesUtilities/Conceptual/MacAutomationScriptingGuide/UseDictationtoRunScripts.html

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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi donna,

saying” computer, what time is it.” doesn’t do anything on my computer 
and I don’t see that as a command.  Did you set that up on your own?  Siri 
works but is more awkward. 

The more I play with this and learn commands the more enjoyable it is.  I like 
keeping my hands on the computer home keys and this is great for things like 
switching between applications or opening and closing applications. 

I”m making progress on navigating mail mostly with voice and it is a fun 
challenge.
So did you set this time command up yourself? and related question, there is a 
“send that command” I was hoping to use that for mail but it doesn’t seem to do 
anything.  Does that work for you or anyone else?

Thanks,


Eric Caron 


On Jan 14, 2018, at 12:01, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi Eric,

That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, you 
can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron > wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
>   Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
> 
> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
> 
> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
> 
> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK,
>>> 
>>> I got it working again.
>>> 
>>> I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>>> 
>>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>>> all.”  And it just works. 
>>> 
>>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>>> my phone.
>>> 
>>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>>> 
>>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:
 
 Hi listers,
 
I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
 a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
 beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
 settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
 happen.
 
to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
 the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
 
If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
 glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
 it.
 
 I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
 I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
 mic  and that made no difference.
 
 I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
 happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
 
 Best,
 
 Eric Caron 
 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Eric,

That’s a piece of cake. Just say computer, what time is it. Alternatively, you 
can start Siri, and ask Siri what time it is.
Cheers,
Donna

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:09 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
>   Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
> 
> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
> 
> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
> 
> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK,
>>> 
>>> I got it working again.
>>> 
>>> I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>>> 
>>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>>> all.”  And it just works. 
>>> 
>>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>>> my phone.
>>> 
>>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>>> 
>>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
 
 Hi listers,
 
I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
 a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
 beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
 settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
 happen.
 
to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
 the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
 
If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
 glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
 it.
 
 I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
 I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
 mic  and that made no difference.
 
 I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
 happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
 
 Best,
 
 Eric Caron 
 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,

Trying some fancy Apple Mail formatting here… So might need to resend without 
that.
Find /Library/Scripts/VoiceOver  (command-shift-G in Finder is your friend 
here).
Find the Get Time of day script.
Copy this to your home library Scripts folder.
Save a copy as a runnable script.
Add a custom open item to dictation and point to the runnable Apple Script.
I am not quite sure about step  4 though I have done it in the past.




Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
>   Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.
> 
> My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 
> 
> Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?
> 
> I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk 
> with my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 
> 
> Best, 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Eric,
> 
> To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I 
>> just have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound 
>> devices could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see 
>> any of the instructions to add automator actions to speech?
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK,
>>> 
>>> I got it working again.
>>> 
>>> I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>>> 
>>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>>> all.”  And it just works. 
>>> 
>>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>>> my phone.
>>> 
>>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>>> 
>>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
 
 Hi listers,
 
I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
 a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
 beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
 settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
 happen.
 
to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
 the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
 
If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
 glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
 it.
 
 I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
 I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
 mic  and that made no difference.
 
 I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
 happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
 
 Best,
 
 Eric Caron 
 
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Re: OT, safe and warm

[lenron brown]

Youch sorry you are having heating issues there. Hopefully they are
fixed soon. This winter has been a pretty cold one down south as well.

On 1/6/18, myguidedo...@gmail.com  wrote:
> That’s too bad.  Affectionate smile.
>
>
>
> David D.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Lyons
> Sent: January 6, 2018 9:53 AM
> To: Macvisionaries 
> Subject: Re: OT, safe and warm
>
>
>
> I’ll try right now I’m having heating difficulties.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2018, at 3:01 PM,   >   > wrote:
>
>
>
> Marie, take care.  You were a great support to me in Jan. of 2013 and in
> succeeding months.
>
>
>
> David D.
>
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marie Lyons
> Sent: January 5, 2018 9:40 AM
> To: Macvisionaries   >
> Subject: Re: OT, safe and warm
>
>
>
> I’m from Buffalo and I remember one February when we never got up to zero.
> After that 3 degrees F doesn’t feel so bad. I have appropriate clothing. I
> am not doing any walking with my guided.
>
>
>
> Marie Lyons
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 5, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Simon Fogarty < 
> si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey all you American folks,
>
>
>
> Just watching a news clip about the storm your having,
>
> Seemingly on the easten states they are saying it’s colder than temperatures
> on Mars,
>
>
>
> Souns pretty bad so I hope all folks down the eastern states are keeping
> warm,
>
>
>
> Florida has snow?
>
> Dam that’s a cool one, hey Donald, you heard of globle warming!
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi Donna,

Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.

My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 

Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?

I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk with 
my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 

Best, 

Eric Caron 

On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin > wrote:

Eric,

To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I just 
> have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound devices 
> could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see any of the 
> instructions to add automator actions to speech?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK,
>> 
>>  I got it working again.
>> 
>>  I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>> 
>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>> all.”  And it just works. 
>> 
>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>> my phone.
>> 
>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>> 
>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
>>> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
>>> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
>>> settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
>>> happen.
>>> 
>>> to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
>>> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
>>> 
>>> If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
>>> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
>>> I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
>>> mic  and that made no difference.
>>> 
>>> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
>>> happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi Donna,

Sweet!  That works perfectly and I don’t even have to do any fancy work.

My next goal is to be able to ask my computer for the time. 

Before I work on assigning a command do you have a idea for that?

I actually like being able to use a mix of hands on keyboard work and talk with 
my computer.  When it works it makes tasks flow and is just fun. 

Best, 

Eric Caron 

On Jan 14, 2018, at 10:03, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Eric,

To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I just 
> have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound devices 
> could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see any of the 
> instructions to add automator actions to speech?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK,
>> 
>>  I got it working again.
>> 
>>  I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>> 
>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>> all.”  And it just works. 
>> 
>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>> my phone.
>> 
>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>> 
>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
>>> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
>>> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
>>> settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
>>> happen.
>>> 
>>> to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
>>> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
>>> 
>>> If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
>>> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
>>> I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
>>> mic  and that made no difference.
>>> 
>>> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
>>> happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Eric Caron]

Hi Jonathan,  I’m just getting started but if you can assign a key stroke like 
command s to something it looks like you can assign that in the dictation area 
in accessibility in system preferences.  that should give you the functionality.

Eric Caron 


On Jan 14, 2018, at 09:40, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I just 
have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound devices could 
be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see any of the 
instructions to add automator actions to speech?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> OK,
> 
>   I got it working again.
> 
>   I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me back 
> most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but it 
> didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to check 
> it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
> 
> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select all.” 
>  And it just works. 
> 
> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way to 
> get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on my 
> phone.
> 
> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
> 
> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
>> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
>> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
>> settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
>> happen.
>> 
>>  to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
>> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
>> 
>>  If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
>> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
>> it.
>> 
>> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  I 
>> looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal mic  
>> and that made no difference.
>> 
>> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
>> happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Re: dimmed opption in Cellular

[Angus MacKinnon]

Simon

I checked Settings + iTunes & App Store and both Cellular Data and Apps are On. 
I have a suspicion it might have to do with Privacy.

Angus MacKinnon

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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Donna Goodin]

Eric,

To Start Siri using dictation, just say "Start Siri.
Cheers,
Donna



> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I just 
> have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound devices 
> could be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see any of the 
> instructions to add automator actions to speech?
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> OK,
>> 
>>  I got it working again.
>> 
>>  I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
>> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me 
>> back most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but 
>> it didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to 
>> check it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
>> 
>> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select 
>> all.”  And it just works. 
>> 
>> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way 
>> to get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on 
>> my phone.
>> 
>> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
>> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
>> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
>> 
>> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi listers,
>>> 
>>> I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
>>> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
>>> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
>>> settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
>>> happen.
>>> 
>>> to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
>>> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
>>> 
>>> If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
>>> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
>>> it.
>>> 
>>> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  
>>> I looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal 
>>> mic  and that made no difference.
>>> 
>>> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
>>> happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
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Re: 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee, BuzzFeed

[lenron brown]

I am amused lol!

On 1/14/18, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> I gotta say I'm laughing at some of these,
>
>  I love this stuff you post Mark,
>
>  Thanks can always do with a good laugh.
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor
> Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 3:02 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee,
> BuzzFeed
>
> 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee. We see a
> lot of nudes.
> By Stephen LaConteJanuary 13, 2018, at 1:16 p.m.
>
> 1.
> Sometimes we honestly have no idea WTF is wrong with your device.
>
> 2.
> We see a lot of pictures you might not want us to see. We would never snoop
> through a person's device, ever. But sometimes people don't realize what
> they've left open on their screen when they hand it to us.
>
> 3.
> We know when you're lying, even if we don't say it. You can tell us you
> didn't drop your phone in water, but the liquid indicators inside your phone
> beg to differ.
>
> 4.
> If you're looking for special favors, manners go a long way. Lots of people
> think they can scream their way into getting a free thing. It rarely works.
>
> 5.
> But most of the time, we have to play by the rules no matter what. Even the
> nicest folks. Sorry.
>
> 6.
> Employees aren't there to upsell you on something you don't need. Our job is
> to match you to the device that's right for you, even if it's the cheapest
> model.
>
> 7.
> And, tbh, we don't actually care if you buy anything. Most employees don't
> work on commission, anyway!
>
> 8.
> We don't actually give a shit when you mess with the display devices. Go
> wild!
>
> 9.
> ...Because all those screens automatically reset themselves overnight,
> anyway. Yeah, there's no way we'd be able to catch all those pranks
> ourselves.
>
> 10.
> We know that some people just come in to check their email or Facebook, and
> we don't mind! We've got hundreds of devices lying around - go ahead and use
> them!
>
> 11.
> Yes, we've heard the "Are you really a GENIUS???" joke a thousand times
> before. But we'll keep fake-laughing every time someone makes it.
>
> 12.
> The store can get really busy - even when it looks totally empty. At any
> given moment, there could be dozens of people waiting on a Genius Bar
> appointment. They're not necessarily in the store!
>
> 13.
> We really don't know any of the juicy corporate secrets. We aren't lying
> when we say we don't know when the new Macbooks will come out or what the
> new iPhone will look like. They don't tell us that stuff.
>
> 14.
> No, we can't let you use our employee discount. Has any store in the history
> of retail allowed this???
>
> 15.
> Product launch days can be really freaking stressful. Long lines, sold-out
> products, loud crowds, impatient customers...it's a lot to handle.
>
> 16.
> But Apple makes the shifts a little more bearable with a lot of free food
> for employees. Free pizza in the break room makes everything better.
>
> 17.
> There are a LOT of meltdowns at the Genius Bar. We don't like to be the
> bearer of bad news, but sometimes that's our job.
>
> 18.
> But there are a lot of beautiful moments, too. Helping a grandmother learn
> how to FaceTime her grandkids, helping a new mom recover deleted pictures of
> her baby...that's the stuff that makes the job worthwhile.
>
> Original Article at:
> https://www.buzzfeed.com/stephenlaconte/brutally-honest-confessions-from-a-f
> ormer-apple-store?utm_term=.tsm7K4jL2#.qtK2NQBbW
>
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Re: Dictation and accessability

[Jonathan Cohn]

Glad to hear you got it working. I personally don't use dictation much I just 
have learned to think through my fingers. My code to switch sound devices could 
be very cool if it was set up as a speech item. Did you see any of the 
instructions to add automator actions to speech?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jan 13, 2018, at 10:07 PM, Eric Caron  wrote:
> 
> OK,
> 
>   I got it working again.
> 
>   I went to accessibility and dictation.  I first went to the commands 
> table and unchecked and rechecked each item and . that seemed to give me back 
> most functions.  I tried to check the advanced button in this area but it 
> didn’t seemed to stay checked.  finally using the space bar seemed to check 
> it and I hit done and now things seemed to work as before. 
> 
> I’m enjoying being able to say, computer, “ go to beginning” or “select all.” 
>  And it just works. 
> 
> Now I’m off to see if I can follow some directions I found to set up a way to 
> get Siri to work from a voice command on my Mac, similar to Hey Siri on my 
> phone.
> 
> has anyone out there accomplished that yet?
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> 
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 15:06, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> Look at the dictation area of the Keyboard system preferences. I generally 
> prefer using the hit Fn button twice to associating with a keyword. I have 
> found otherwise sometimes Voiceover causes dictation to start.
> 
> All the commands listed in the Accessibility area should still be available.
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Eric Caron > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>>  I made some progress with the dictation feature that allows you to say 
>> a word like “computer” and then give commands like open mail, or go to 
>> beginning.  Now, I can’t seem to get it to work any longer.  I checked the 
>> settings I could find and the ones I used to start it and nothing seems to 
>> happen.
>> 
>>  to start using it I went to accessibility in system preferences and in 
>> the table found dictation and checked the box to listen for the key word. 
>> 
>>  If there is a way I may have  accidentally stop it from working I’d be 
>> glad for a tip on what I can do to get it up again.  I was rather enjoying 
>> it.
>> 
>> I’ve tried unchecking and checking the check boxes in the dictation area.  I 
>> looked in sounds and it is set to automatic.  I changed it to internal mic  
>> and that made no difference.
>> 
>> I know it is a long shot but I’d thought I’d ask to see if this may have 
>> happened to someone else and they have a suggestion.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
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Mouse movement in audio games not working in VMWare Fusion

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I've asked this before, but I thought I'd ask again as it's been a while and I 
never got it solved.

In VMWare, I have Windows 10 with several audio games. Some can use the mouse, 
like my all-time favorite game: Swamp. The problem is that any movement of the 
mouse causes my character to whirl around in insanely fast circles, thus making 
the game all but unplayable. I've played with the sensitivity in the game's 
settings, and I've tried the gaming suggestion in VMWare's settings, but 
nothing has worked. I'm using the onboard trackpad, in case that matters. Has 
anyone run into this before? Is there anything I can do? Thanks.

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Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm thinking.

Right now I'm playing with Ubuntu under Microsoft Windows in my BootCamp
partition. Who'd have ever thought of such a thing even ten years ago?
I'll wait for the release of Fedora under Windows WS, as that's the
distro I'll want to keep being that I'm far more familiar with Fedora
than Ubuntu.

Anders Holmberg writes:
> Hi!
> Some of the virtualbox gui interface is accessible but i wouldn’t use that if 
> i were you.
> THere are commands for virtualbox from terminal so i guess you just ssh into 
> your mac and do the configuring and then use it from the mac itself when all 
> is setup.
> /A
> 
> > 13 jan. 2018 kl. 17:09 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> > :
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> > few years.
> > 
> > I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> > learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi Janina!
> >> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
> >> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
> >> i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
> >> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
> >> Very frustrating.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Anders:
> >>> 
> >>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> >>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> >>> 
> >>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> >>> of VMware 10.1.1.
> >>> 
> >>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> >>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> >>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> >>> January.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
> > From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> > virtual machine.
>  But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>  command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>  One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>  /A
>  
> > 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> > 
> > My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
> > have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> > 
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> > roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> > meet a graphical challenge.
> > 
> > Let us know if you crack it.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> > The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
> >> manager to see the driver status.
> >> 
> >> What the ….. is going on?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> >>> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> >>> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> >>> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> >>> driver issue.
> >>> 
> >>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> 

Re: VMware Fusion 10.1.1 and BootCamp

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

No, didn't get that phone number yet, but I'll post when I do.

Turned out my issue, that I though might be an MS issue, was an Apple
issue after all.

Janina

Jonathan Cohn writes:
> Well Virtiual box has a pretty good command line interface. Did you get the 
> number for the Microsoft Accessibility help desk?
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 11:09 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Anders:
> > 
> > Yeah, I'm starting to be tired of handing VMware a few hundred $$ every
> > few years.
> > 
> > I'm seriously thinking of switching to VirtualBox. I expect a steeper
> > learning curve, but more consistent maintanance.
> > 
> > Anders Holmberg writes:
> >> Hi Janina!
> >> Yeah typically i also have a tight budget this month.
> >> I had to pay 150 bucks for repairing the display of my moto g5 and i think 
> >> i was stupid leaving it for repair as i have a nokia 8 now too.
> >> Therefore i can’t buy the upgrade for vmware fusion.
> >> Very frustrating.
> >> /A
> >> 
> >>> 12 jan. 2018 kl. 07:46 skrev 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>> :
> >>> 
> >>> Hi, Anders:
> >>> 
> >>> I suspect that option might still be there for the paid version. It
> >>> certainly was last time I used VMware, which was version 8.5.0
> >>> 
> >>> All I'm saying is that the option is not there in the 30day trial status
> >>> of VMware 10.1.1.
> >>> 
> >>> I upgraded the other day, through a couple iterations as directed by the
> >>> VMware tool itself, from 8.5.0 all the way to version 10.1.1, but I did
> >>> not opt to pay for a license as my funds are typically tight early
> >>> January.
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> Anders Holmberg writes:
>  Hi!
> > From what i understand you should be able to move the bootcamp to a 
> > virtual machine.
>  But i haven’t done this so i can’t say for sure but when i pressed 
>  command n i found a table with a lot of options.
>  One of these options was to use a bootcamp partition.
>  /A
>  
> > 11 jan. 2018 kl. 00:46 skrev Georgina Joyce :
> > 
> > Hello Janina,
> > 
> > Well I’m tired of this and I’m going to get some sleep.
> > 
> > My MacBook Air 2013 uses a driver Cirrus Audio CS4208 X64 driver. I 
> > have found several Apple resources then I found this Microsoft resource.
> > 
> > https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-hardware/windows-10-and-macbook-air-external-speaker/332a9694-3636-456e-bb55-4894bd066dd8
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > Where as Apple tell us to get the latest driver this article suggests a 
> > roll back may solve the issue. I’ve tried downloading from a site but 
> > meet a graphical challenge.
> > 
> > Let us know if you crack it.
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> > The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 10 Jan 2018, at 21:07, Georgina Joyce  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> Hello Janina,
> >> 
> >> Well sound has died via my headset too. I didn’t get to the device 
> >> manager to see the driver status.
> >> 
> >> What the ….. is going on?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> Call: M0EBP
> >> Loc: IO83PS
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 10 Jan 2018, at 20:50, Georgina Joyce  >>> > wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Well good but bad news. I’ve been using my MacBook Air’s bootcamp 
> >>> partition for about an hour. I’ve lost audio. Just plugged in my USB 
> >>> headset that I used to install Windows. It made the new hardware 
> >>> sound through the headset and NVDA announced installing software for 
> >>> the new device. So I have lost sound via it’s own speakers and have 
> >>> sound through an independent sound card. So you were right it’s a 
> >>> driver issue.
> >>> 
> >>> Now why should Windows mess about with a driver while it is in use?
> >>> 
> >>> Regards,
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Georgina Joyce
> >>> Applied Psychologist
> >>> Training and Coaching.
> >>> Because individuals of groups matter!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
>  On 10 Jan 2018, at 15:52, Georgina Joyce   > wrote:
>  
>  Hello Janina,
>  
>  I think the blind keystrokes might be:
>  
>  Open the 

Re: Configuring audio in BootCamp Windows 10

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Gena:

I would strongly advise against reinstalling Windows. At least in my
experience, it's far too much of a hit and miss proposition, and mostly
miss. I think it'll be far easier fixing whatever ails, since you know
you have a working install that you can get at over USB in the worst
case instance.

Just my two cents.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:
> Hello Simon and Janina,
> 
> Well, I thought I had. For some reason every now and again upon boot the mute 
> is applied. I shall reinstall bootcamp drivers again. Hopefully, it will 
> settle down.
> 
> But likewise I thank you both for your input. I was going to give up having 
> installed Windows 10 3 times. Let’s hope it’s third time lucky. Now I know 
> what the problem is I’m not going to wipe it out and start again. As I’m 
> confident that it is not something I did wrong, or corrupted file downloads.
> 
> It’s interesting that we think of Apple products being the same but issues 
> like this show that from a software driver point of view Apple has variations 
> from year to year.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
> Call: M0EBP
> Loc: IO83PS
> 
> 
> 
> > On 13 Jan 2018, at 15:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Glad to hear you got it going, Gena!
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks again for your support on this. 
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Georgina Joyce writes:
> >> 
> >> Hello,
> >> 
> >> Thanks, Simon. Looking through the messages I remember seeing about F10 
> >> and I had tried it. I guess I did it just once and muted it. Because now I 
> >> just pressed F10 and have NVDA droning way.
> >> 
> >> So I’m happy and can go out shopping now.
> >> 
> >> Gena
> >> 
> >> “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> >> The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> >> 
> >> Michael Hinson 2011
> >> 
> >>> On 12 Jan 2018, at 09:40, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello Janina,
> >>> 
> >>> Yes, I discover that I have not had the missing directory problem. 
> >>> Looking on the USB stick from which I installed windows and the 
> >>> subsequent driver install via bootcamp have the $WinPeDriver$ directory. 
> >>> Using my iPhone and seeing AI I’m able to get fragments of text read but 
> >>> obviously it can’t tell me what has focus . But twice I’ve had Windows 
> >>> installer has stopped working. Both of these were done from a fresh 
> >>> bootcamp driver download. So I copied the audio driver into the root and 
> >>> run it from there. seeing AI tells me that I am in the driver 
> >>> installation wizard. After accepting Apple’s license terms. There’s some 
> >>> text about the there is a newer version already installed. So nearly 
> >>> 2a.m. I crawl to bed. I won’t write what I feel my next step will be at 
> >>> the moment.
> >>> 
> >>> I am going to train with a new Guide Dog on the 22nd and retire my 
> >>> current dog on this Sunday so I’ve got a lot to do while I can get out 
> >>> and about. So I’ll take my Mac either as a single or double boot machine 
> >>> with me on Guide dog training.
> >>> 
> >>> Dammed Computers………
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Gena
> >>> 
> >>> Braille is a reading and writing language that all blind people should 
> >>> learn to use.
> >>> 
> >>> Michael Hingson 2011.
> >>> 
>  On 12 Jan 2018, at 06:51, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>       >> wrote:
>  
>  Yes, at the root of the USB device.
>  
>  Later, I got the entire payload of drivers in that directory. However,
>  at the time I discovered this directory was missing, creating an empty
>  one proved sufficient to run the installation and, in my case, get audio
>  working natively from the builtin speakers.
>  
>  Gena, are you saying that even with a folder load of drivers and a
>  successful BootCamp install, you're still not getting audio?
>  
>  Georgina Joyce writes:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Just to be clear this folder needs to be in the route of the USB stick? 
> > Using bootcamp to generate another set of drivers it puts the 
> > $WinPeDriver$ at the same level as the bootcamp folder. As my USB 
> > headset stopped working I tried to do it blindly. Seeing AI read that 
> > an installation was successful but the Air is still mute.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> > “Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. 
> > The real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”
> > 
> > Michael Hinson 2011
> > 
> >> On 11 Jan 2018, at 17:13, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>  >>  >>  

Re: Mail composing issue

[E.T.]

   Look in the mail preferences under the Viewing tab.

From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world,
all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 1/13/2018 9:42 PM, Gabe Griffith wrote:

Hi,

I don't remember now if it was the update to Sierra or High Sierra when 
this started for me. I sort of feel dumb for having to ask this but how 
do you tell exactly which view you're using?


Thanks,

Gabe


On Jan 13, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Eric Caron > wrote:


Hi Alex and others,

In addition to the responses here I received at least one off list 
from a very experienced mac user.  I’m glad I’m not alone.  this 
happened on my upgrade to high Sierra.
For the past two years I was working on a conference for guide dog 
users.  If this bug had been happening I would not have been able to 
complete that important task.  this is a huge productivity hit.  I 
thought it was just me but as it is clearly effecting others I dearly 
hope Apple is working on a fix.


At this time I try really hard not to make errors in my emails!

Eric Caron


On Jan 13, 2018, at 18:43, Alex Hall > wrote:


When did this email thing start, and is it for a specific view?

I'm using a Mac to type this, in standard view, and I'm not seeing any 
of these problems. In fact, I'm on the beta cycle for 10.12, and I've 
never seen this problem once since my first upgrade last summer. As 
this is past beta stuff, I feel okay talking about it here. Hope the 
mods don't mind.


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On Jan 13, 2018, at 17:25, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:


Yes, this is what I was referring to when I said you had to get to 
the line, and sometimes the word, you want to edit by interacting 
specifically on that line. It usually works if you use the up and 
down arrows to get to the line you want, then the left and right 
arrows to get to the word, then interact. Not always. This has got to 
be one of the most aggravating aspects of my MacBook right now, other 
than the frequent “busy” messages and the sudden freezing then 
returning of VoiceOver at random times. I also have been experiencing 
a bunch of rapid clicks, often accompanied by VO not working, while 
reading a page in a browser.

Christine


On Jan 13, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Gabe Griffith 
> wrote:


Hi,

The problem I have is when I want to edit something in an email I 
can't get the cursor to the spot I want to edit and it is editing in 
a different part of the email. Compounding this issue is that my 
cursor often jumps around and I find myself typing somewhere other 
than where I meant to be.


Gabe



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Subject: Re: Mail composing issue



I have found that if you wait about ten seconds, the changes show 
without having to shut off VO. I have also found that is often 
extremely difficult to edit without interacting with the text 
exactly where you want to make the edits. Additionally, I have 
resorted much of the time to the text edit method, or dictation. 
Iwill sometimes make edits on my iPhone by going into the Drafts 
folder. All in all, a real pain.

Christine

On Jan 13, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Tom Frank > wrote:




Yes. This is a big bug. Apple is aware of the problem but haven’t 
fixed it yet.On Jan 12, 2018, at 8:56 PM, Eric Caron 
> wrote:
Please note there is a grammatical error in the above statement 
but, with this bug, I cannot correct it. The only way aroung this 
is to type something in text edit and then copy and paste it into 
your email.



Hi listers,

When composing emails I have a strange problem when trying to edit 
a message.


When I go back into a message to change something I can’t hear the 
change.  It is like nothing happened.  Then when I turn off voice 
over and turn it on again, my changes can be heard.  This makes 
using mail very difficult on my mac.


Anyone else having this problem?  Any tips on what I can do to fix it?

Thanks.

Eric Caron

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RE: 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee, BuzzFeed

[Simon Fogarty]

I gotta say I'm laughing at some of these,

 I love this stuff you post Mark,

 Thanks can always do with a good laugh.

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Subject: 18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee, 
BuzzFeed

18 Brutally Honest Confessions From A Former Apple Store Employee. We see a lot 
of nudes.
By Stephen LaConteJanuary 13, 2018, at 1:16 p.m.

1.
Sometimes we honestly have no idea WTF is wrong with your device. 
 
2.
We see a lot of pictures you might not want us to see. We would never snoop 
through a person's device, ever. But sometimes people don't realize what 
they've left open on their screen when they hand it to us. 

3.
We know when you're lying, even if we don't say it. You can tell us you didn't 
drop your phone in water, but the liquid indicators inside your phone beg to 
differ.

4.
If you're looking for special favors, manners go a long way. Lots of people 
think they can scream their way into getting a free thing. It rarely works.

5.
But most of the time, we have to play by the rules no matter what. Even the 
nicest folks. Sorry.

6.
Employees aren't there to upsell you on something you don't need. Our job is to 
match you to the device that's right for you, even if it's the cheapest model.

7.
And, tbh, we don't actually care if you buy anything. Most employees don't work 
on commission, anyway!

8.
We don't actually give a shit when you mess with the display devices. Go wild! 
 
9.
...Because all those screens automatically reset themselves overnight, anyway. 
Yeah, there's no way we'd be able to catch all those pranks ourselves.

10.
We know that some people just come in to check their email or Facebook, and we 
don't mind! We've got hundreds of devices lying around - go ahead and use them!

11.
Yes, we've heard the "Are you really a GENIUS???" joke a thousand times before. 
But we'll keep fake-laughing every time someone makes it.

12.
The store can get really busy - even when it looks totally empty. At any given 
moment, there could be dozens of people waiting on a Genius Bar appointment. 
They're not necessarily in the store!

13.
We really don't know any of the juicy corporate secrets. We aren't lying when 
we say we don't know when the new Macbooks will come out or what the new iPhone 
will look like. They don't tell us that stuff.

14.
No, we can't let you use our employee discount. Has any store in the history of 
retail allowed this???

15.
Product launch days can be really freaking stressful. Long lines, sold-out 
products, loud crowds, impatient customers...it's a lot to handle.

16.
But Apple makes the shifts a little more bearable with a lot of free food for 
employees. Free pizza in the break room makes everything better.

17.
There are a LOT of meltdowns at the Genius Bar. We don't like to be the bearer 
of bad news, but sometimes that's our job.

18.
But there are a lot of beautiful moments, too. Helping a grandmother learn how 
to FaceTime her grandkids, helping a new mom recover deleted pictures of her 
baby...that's the stuff that makes the job worthwhile.

Original Article at:
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RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi tim,

Can I just point out that apple don't or haven't for quite a number of years 
used 250 gig drives.

 250 gig drives were used back in like 2008 mac book pro and mac book devices 
they were the HDD spindal drives.

 Ssds are 256 gig from apple now.

I think if we get the serial number from wolfs machine and check it in the 
likes of mac tracker it would give us the correct information.

 The drive to me says it's a 128gig drive,
Not a 250 like he believes.

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 5:38 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn

Hi,

To clarify.  What's likely happened here is that when you attempted to create 
the BootCamp partition, something went wrong.  Obvious, I know, but it needs to 
be said first.  So, you now have the Macintosh HD partition using up half the 
space of the 250 GB drive and the rest is unallocated space.  As Janina 
mentioned, distil in Terminal is your best option.  Since you have a MacBook 
and you're running High Sierra, the drive will be formatted as APFS which makes 
the distil command set slightly different than if it was a spinner drive.  
"What you'll want to do is first determine a few facts about the drive and it's 
allocations, then you should be able to expand the Macintosh HD to use up the 
remaining free space and, thus, regain all the space that the 250 GB drive has 
to offer.

Actually, the first thing to do is to make sure that you have a backup of your 
data incase of problems.  There's not likely to be any, but as soon as I say 
that, there probably will be.  The commands that you need to consider are:

• distil list (this will list all the volumes on your drive and outline their 
format/size etc) • distil apfs (this will list the available commands under the 
apfs volume set) • distil apfs resizeVolume (is likely the command you'll need 
to regain the free space)

Note, arguments like resizeVolume are case sensitive.  Also, be sure to do the 
backup first as you don't want to lose you stuff.  Usually, the system won't 
let you destroy things without either warning you or just not allowing you to 
perform the action, but you never know.  You also may need to perform some of 
these actions from the Recovery Partition, but, I believe that you really 
should be able to non-destructively resize the Macintosh HD volume without too 
much headache from within Terminal.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jan 13, 2018, at 09:06, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

The wolf writes:
> Hello yes I am using High Sierra

Which means that you're using apfs, which is a whole new ball of wax.
It's not even that clearly explained anywhere that I've found between it's 
concepts of drives, volumes, partitions, and containers.

diskutil is the best tool, promise.

> 
> 
> 
> On 1/12/2018 10:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>You are running High Sierra? If the drive is not an SSD then you 
>> are probably using macOS extended. Mine is formatted to APFS so the 
>> partition tab is different. So I am not sure what you should look for.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 1/12/2018 7:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> will give that a shot
>>> 
>>> is there anything that I should be looking out for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/12/2018 8:01 PM, E.T. wrote:
Off list. Since I have not had this problem, perchance you can 
 go into the partition tab and see if you can address this there. 
 Just a guess that you somehow "lost" 125gigs in there.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
 mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 1/12/2018 5:07 PM, The wolf wrote:
> disk aid was one of the verry first things that I tried running
> 
> On 1/12/2018 6:03 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>Too many things going on over here. So you are missing 125g. 
>> Have you run First Aid?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>> Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 1/12/2018 4:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> 250 gb capasity
>>> 
>>> minus 125 gigs for the intire mac partition=
>>> 125 gigs
>>> there is still
>>> 125 gigs that should be free
>>> is 

RE: Configuring audio in BootCamp Windows 10

[Simon Fogarty]

Have you checked apple to see if there is actually bootcamp drivers or should I 
say an update to the bootcamp drivers?

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2018 5:28 AM
To: AppleVis List 
Subject: Re: Configuring audio in BootCamp Windows 10

Hello Simon and Janina,

Well, I thought I had. For some reason every now and again upon boot the mute 
is applied. I shall reinstall bootcamp drivers again. Hopefully, it will settle 
down.

But likewise I thank you both for your input. I was going to give up having 
installed Windows 10 3 times. Let’s hope it’s third time lucky. Now I know what 
the problem is I’m not going to wipe it out and start again. As I’m confident 
that it is not something I did wrong, or corrupted file downloads.

It’s interesting that we think of Apple products being the same but issues like 
this show that from a software driver point of view Apple has variations from 
year to year.

Best regards,

Gena

Call: M0EBP
Loc: IO83PS



On 13 Jan 2018, at 15:56, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

Glad to hear you got it going, Gena!


Thanks again for your support on this.

Janina

Georgina Joyce writes:


Hello,

Thanks, Simon. Looking through the messages I remember seeing about F10 and I 
had tried it. I guess I did it just once and muted it. Because now I just 
pressed F10 and have NVDA droning way.

So I’m happy and can go out shopping now.

Gena

“Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”

Michael Hinson 2011


On 12 Jan 2018, at 09:40, Georgina Joyce 
> wrote:

Hello Janina,

Yes, I discover that I have not had the missing directory problem. Looking on 
the USB stick from which I installed windows and the subsequent driver install 
via bootcamp have the $WinPeDriver$ directory. Using my iPhone and seeing AI 
I’m able to get fragments of text read but obviously it can’t tell me what has 
focus . But twice I’ve had Windows installer has stopped working. Both of these 
were done from a fresh bootcamp driver download. So I copied the audio driver 
into the root and run it from there. seeing AI tells me that I am in the driver 
installation wizard. After accepting Apple’s license terms. There’s some text 
about the there is a newer version already installed. So nearly 2a.m. I crawl 
to bed. I won’t write what I feel my next step will be at the moment.

I am going to train with a new Guide Dog on the 22nd and retire my current dog 
on this Sunday so I’ve got a lot to do while I can get out and about. So I’ll 
take my Mac either as a single or double boot machine with me on Guide dog 
training.

Dammed Computers………


Gena

Braille is a reading and writing language that all blind people should learn to 
use.

Michael Hingson 2011.


On 12 Jan 2018, at 06:51, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>
 wrote:

Yes, at the root of the USB device.

Later, I got the entire payload of drivers in that directory. However,
at the time I discovered this directory was missing, creating an empty
one proved sufficient to run the installation and, in my case, get audio
working natively from the builtin speakers.

Gena, are you saying that even with a folder load of drivers and a
successful BootCamp install, you're still not getting audio?

Georgina Joyce writes:

Hello,

Just to be clear this folder needs to be in the route of the USB stick? Using 
bootcamp to generate another set of drivers it puts the $WinPeDriver$ at the 
same level as the bootcamp folder. As my USB headset stopped working I tried to 
do it blindly. Seeing AI read that an installation was successful but the Air 
is still mute.



Gena

“Blindness is not a handicap, it is something I have always lived with. The 
real handicap is the prejudices people have about blindness.”

Michael Hinson 2011


On 11 Jan 2018, at 17:13, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>
 wrote:

I got it sorted! Alleluia!

BootCamp drivers most certainly failed to install during the initial
Windows installation. Launching d:\BootCamp\Setup.exe yielded the error:

$WinPEDriver$ folder not found

Following guidance I found at:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33491592/bootcamp-drivers-lost-winpedriver-folder-how-to-create-it

I created the missing folder via my Linux console and reran the above
command. This made Windows happy. Installation took about 3 minutes and
required a reboot.

Windows 10 is now 

RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

but if you can only see one partition under the disk partition when in disk 
utility and if you see what the partition is named, it should have a size in 
the label of the physical drive / partition level that is the top most level of 
the drive.


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RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

ET I belive capacity is 124.9
Used 25 and available 99,

 That means it's a 128 gig drive according to apple.

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On Behalf Of The wolf
Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 1:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn

I did that all ready see earlier message



On 1/12/2018 5:46 PM, E.T. wrote:
> Hank,
>    Go to Finder, do a command shift c to bring up the drives, do a 
> command i on the drive and tell me what the 3 numbers are. Capacity, 
> available and used.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 4:40 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> the mac book should show a capasity
>>
>> of 250 gigs
>> not
>> 124.92 gigs
>> there is still something not right with this
>>
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 5:33 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>    If he partition is 125g, 25 used and 100g available then that 
>>> adds up up 250g. Am I missing something?
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 3:23 PM, The wolf wrote:
 capassity

 124.92 gigs

 98.6 gigs

 available

 124 megabites

 purgeable

 26 gigs
 used
 I am still missing 100 gigs some where on this drive my drive on 
 the mac is a 250 gig drives Hank

 On 1/12/2018 4:11 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    Dump the trash and check again.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
> Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 2:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> Hello total drive it is saying that it is 124 gig capassity
>>
>> it is using 82 gig but the drive is a 250 gb so something is 
>> taking over 100 gigs
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 3:21 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>    How do you know what you are missing? You did not say how 
>>> much space is used. Do a Get Info on the drive.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
>>> Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 2:05 PM, The wolf wrote:
 Hello I was doing some looking around and my mac hd is 250 gigs

 it says that 128 gigs is available

 I think my partition got messed up some how wich would explain 
 why I have been havinb boot camp issues

 how ever I don't see any way to find where the extra partition 
 is that is taking up the rest of the space?

 the only other thing I see is the recovery disk.

 surely that isn't what is taking up the rest of the space?

 not sure if any of thi sis making sense

 thanks for any help that you guys can give

 Hank



>>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

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RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

No your miss reading it.

Total size is 124.9 or in binary 128 gig 

You have 25 gig used and 99 gig available.

Making a 124.9 gig drive.

 Is your drive an ssd or hdd?

If it's an ssd then you wont have a 250 gig drive you'll have a 256  gig drive,

If you had an HDD then 250 gig is more possible 
But I think you will find that you only have a 128 gig drive.
124.9 is what it computes to in decimal.
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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of The wolf
Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 1:40 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn

the mac book should show a capasity

of 250 gigs
not
124.92 gigs
there is still something not right with this


On 1/12/2018 5:33 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    If he partition is 125g, 25 used and 100g available then that adds 
> up up 250g. Am I missing something?
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 3:23 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> capassity
>>
>> 124.92 gigs
>>
>> 98.6 gigs
>>
>> available
>>
>> 124 megabites
>>
>> purgeable
>>
>> 26 gigs
>> used
>> I am still missing 100 gigs some where on this drive my drive on the 
>> mac is a 250 gig drives Hank
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 4:11 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>    Dump the trash and check again.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 2:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
 Hello total drive it is saying that it is 124 gig capassity

 it is using 82 gig but the drive is a 250 gb so something is taking 
 over 100 gigs

 On 1/12/2018 3:21 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    How do you know what you are missing? You did not say how much 
> space is used. Do a Get Info on the drive.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
> Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 2:05 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> Hello I was doing some looking around and my mac hd is 250 gigs
>>
>> it says that 128 gigs is available
>>
>> I think my partition got messed up some how wich would explain 
>> why I have been havinb boot camp issues
>>
>> how ever I don't see any way to find where the extra partition is 
>> that is taking up the rest of the space?
>>
>> the only other thing I see is the recovery disk.
>>
>> surely that isn't what is taking up the rest of the space?
>>
>> not sure if any of thi sis making sense
>>
>> thanks for any help that you guys can give
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

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RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi ET,

 I think he's missing 128 gig from his drive,

He said the drive was recording 124 give or take a gig,
 Then he had 99gb used,
 With available 27 or so 
And 120 something pergible 

It sounds very much to me like the drive is only 128 ssd.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 1:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn

If he partition is 125g, 25 used and 100g available then that adds up up 
250g. Am I missing something?

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On 1/12/2018 3:23 PM, The wolf wrote:
> capassity
> 
> 124.92 gigs
> 
> 98.6 gigs
> 
> available
> 
> 124 megabites
> 
> purgeable
> 
> 26 gigs
> used
> I am still missing 100 gigs some where on this drive my drive on the 
> mac is a 250 gig drives Hank
> 
> On 1/12/2018 4:11 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>    Dump the trash and check again.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 2:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
>>> Hello total drive it is saying that it is 124 gig capassity
>>>
>>> it is using 82 gig but the drive is a 250 gb so something is taking 
>>> over 100 gigs
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 3:21 PM, E.T. wrote:
    How do you know what you are missing? You did not say how much 
 space is used. Do a Get Info on the drive.

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 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
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 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

 On 1/12/2018 2:05 PM, The wolf wrote:
> Hello I was doing some looking around and my mac hd is 250 gigs
>
> it says that 128 gigs is available
>
> I think my partition got messed up some how wich would explain why 
> I have been havinb boot camp issues
>
> how ever I don't see any way to find where the extra partition is 
> that is taking up the rest of the space?
>
> the only other thing I see is the recovery disk.
>
> surely that isn't what is taking up the rest of the space?
>
> not sure if any of thi sis making sense
>
> thanks for any help that you guys can give
>
> Hank
>
>
>

>>>
>>
> 

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RE: mac partition questiohn

[Simon Fogarty]

And the size showing in disk utilities?

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
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Sent: Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: mac partition questiohn

only 1 partition is showing



On 1/12/2018 4:30 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    In Disk Utility in the drive table, what is shown under the Mac's 
> internal drive (250g)? Just one partition, or more than one?
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 3:23 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> capassity
>>
>> 124.92 gigs
>>
>> 98.6 gigs
>>
>> available
>>
>> 124 megabites
>>
>> purgeable
>>
>> 26 gigs
>> used
>> I am still missing 100 gigs some where on this drive my drive on the 
>> mac is a 250 gig drives Hank
>>
>> On 1/12/2018 4:11 PM, E.T. wrote:
>>>    Dump the trash and check again.
>>>
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), Contact
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>
>>> On 1/12/2018 2:56 PM, The wolf wrote:
 Hello total drive it is saying that it is 124 gig capassity

 it is using 82 gig but the drive is a 250 gb so something is taking 
 over 100 gigs

 On 1/12/2018 3:21 PM, E.T. wrote:
>    How do you know what you are missing? You did not say how much 
> space is used. Do a Get Info on the drive.
>
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan (1934-1996), 
> Contact
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 1/12/2018 2:05 PM, The wolf wrote:
>> Hello I was doing some looking around and my mac hd is 250 gigs
>>
>> it says that 128 gigs is available
>>
>> I think my partition got messed up some how wich would explain 
>> why I have been havinb boot camp issues
>>
>> how ever I don't see any way to find where the extra partition is 
>> that is taking up the rest of the space?
>>
>> the only other thing I see is the recovery disk.
>>
>> surely that isn't what is taking up the rest of the space?
>>
>> not sure if any of thi sis making sense
>>
>> thanks for any help that you guys can give
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>>
>

>>>
>>
>

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