Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Donna,

Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether the behaviour 
continues?
Cheers,

Anne


> On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> I'm using the left.  I have the right set for shortcuts for opening apps.  I 
> just tried using the right, and the result was the same.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One more questions.  Are you using the left or right option key when trying 
>> this?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field before 
>> trying to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Nope.  This is positively crazy!
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> One more try.
>>> 
>>> 1.  go to System Prefs.
>>> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
>>> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
>>> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
>>> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
>>> 6.  Press the OK button.
>>> 7.  Close System Prefs.
>>> 
>>> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
>>> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
>>> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, 
 if you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with 
 your Option key.
 
 Try this:
 
 1.  Go to the Finder.
 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
 following command followed by the return key:
 
 nvram -c
 
 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
 
 Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi, Tim,
 
 Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
> or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  
> All went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or 
> navigate text when in an edit field.  *sigh*
> Donna
> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

I'm using the left.  I have the right set for shortcuts for opening apps.  I 
just tried using the right, and the result was the same.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One more questions.  Are you using the left or right option key when trying 
> this?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field before 
> trying to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Nope.  This is positively crazy!
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One more try.
>> 
>> 1.  go to System Prefs.
>> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
>> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
>> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
>> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
>> 6.  Press the OK button.
>> 7.  Close System Prefs.
>> 
>> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
>> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
>> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, 
>>> if you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with 
>>> your Option key.
>>> 
>>> Try this:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Go to the Finder.
>>> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>>> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>>> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
>>> following command followed by the return key:
>>> 
>>> nvram -c
>>> 
>>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Tim,
>>> 
>>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
 Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
 or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
 
 Later...
   
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  
 All went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate 
 text when in an edit field.  *sigh*
 Donna
 
 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Tim,

It doesn't matter whether or not I interact.  The behavior is the same.

I hardly ever use QuickNav.  So yes, QuickNav is turned off.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field before 
> trying to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Nope.  This is positively crazy!
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> One more try.
>> 
>> 1.  go to System Prefs.
>> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
>> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
>> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
>> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
>> 6.  Press the OK button.
>> 7.  Close System Prefs.
>> 
>> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
>> 
>> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
>> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
>> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, 
>>> if you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with 
>>> your Option key.
>>> 
>>> Try this:
>>> 
>>> 1.  Go to the Finder.
>>> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>>> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>>> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
>>> following command followed by the return key:
>>> 
>>> nvram -c
>>> 
>>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>>> 
>>> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Tim,
>>> 
>>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn >>> > wrote:
 
 Donna,
 
 Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
 Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
 or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
 
 Later...
   
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin >>> > wrote:
 
 Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  
 All went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate 
 text when in an edit field.  *sigh*
 Donna
 
 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

One more questions.  Are you using the left or right option key when trying 
this?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

Hi,

Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field before trying 
to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:

Nope.  This is positively crazy!
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One more try.
> 
> 1.  go to System Prefs.
> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
> 6.  Press the OK button.
> 7.  Close System Prefs.
> 
> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
> 
> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
>> you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
>> Option key.
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> 1.  Go to the Finder.
>> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
>> following command followed by the return key:
>> 
>> nvram -c
>> 
>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>> 
>> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
>>> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
>>> or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>>   
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
>>> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
>>> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Back to the basics.  Are you interacting with the editable field before trying 
to use option-arrow?  Is QuickNav turned off?

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Nope.  This is positively crazy!
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One more try.
> 
> 1.  go to System Prefs.
> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
> 6.  Press the OK button.
> 7.  Close System Prefs.
> 
> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
> 
> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
>> you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
>> Option key.
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> 1.  Go to the Finder.
>> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
>> following command followed by the return key:
>> 
>> nvram -c
>> 
>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>> 
>> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
>>> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
>>> or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>>   
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
>>> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
>>> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

Nope.  This is positively crazy!
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> One more try.
> 
> 1.  go to System Prefs.
> 2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
> 3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
> 4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
> 5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
> 6.  Press the OK button.
> 7.  Close System Prefs.
> 
> Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks, it is frustrating! 
> 
> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much 
> for all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge 
> base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
>> you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
>> Option key.
>> 
>> Try this:
>> 
>> 1.  Go to the Finder.
>> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
>> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
>> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the 
>> following command followed by the return key:
>> 
>> nvram -c
>> 
>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
>> 
>> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Tim,
>> 
>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
>>> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, 
>>> or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>>   
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
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>>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
>>> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
>>> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
>>> Donna
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

One more try.

1.  go to System Prefs.
2.  Select the Keyboard pane.
3.  Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane.
4.  Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it.
5.  Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it.
6.  Press the OK button.
7.  Close System Prefs.

Try your text field stuff now.  Again, let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Thanks, it is frustrating! 

Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much for 
all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge base, so 
whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
> you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
> Option key.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> 1.  Go to the Finder.
> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the following 
> command followed by the return key:
> 
> nvram -c
> 
> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
> 
> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
>> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or 
>> the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>> 
>> Later...
>>   
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
>> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
>> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, it is frustrating! 

Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either.  Thank you so much for 
all your effort on this, though.  You've gone way beyond my knowledge base, so 
whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
> you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
> Option key.
> 
> Try this:
> 
> 1.  Go to the Finder.
> 2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
> 3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
> 4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the following 
> command followed by the return key:
> 
> nvram -c
> 
> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.
> 
> Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Hi, Tim,
> 
> Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that 
>> Mouse keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or 
>> the Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
>> 
>> Later...
>>   
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin > > wrote:
>> 
>> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
>> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
>> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Tim Kilburn]

Hmph.  That sucks.  I hate it when things are not super easy to fix.  So, if 
you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your 
Option key.

Try this:

1.  Go to the Finder.
2.  From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder.
3.  In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app.
4.  In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then type the following 
command followed by the return key:

nvram -c

5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac.

Try things in text fields now.  Let me know how it goes.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi, Tim,

Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
Thanks,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  > wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that Mouse 
> keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or the 
> Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
> Donna
> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Tim,

Enable mouse keys is unchecked.  I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock.
Thanks,
Donna

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> 
> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that Mouse 
> keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or the 
> Caps-Lock as your VO keys?
> 
> Later...
>   
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin  > wrote:
> 
> Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
> went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
> when in an edit field.  *sigh*
> Donna
> 
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Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Tim Kilburn]

Donna,

Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad.  Make sure that Mouse 
keys is not enabled.  If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or the 
Caps-Lock as your VO keys?

Later...
  
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
when in an edit field.  *sigh*
Donna


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Re: How are people using Mac OS public betas and testing them.

[E.T.]

   External drives connected via USB will be s-l-o-w as molasses. I 
created a partition on the internal SSD so I can woek the beta without 
concerns over any issues related to bugs. I just boot into either drive.


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On 6/27/2018 7:18 AM, matthew dyer wrote:

Morning all,

I have a question for thoues who are testing Mac OS builds?  I am just curious 
as to how people are doing so?  I have a couple of options I could work with 
but not sure how affisient this might be.  First I have an external hard drive 
I could install to and really considering this option.  Second, I could set 
this up as a virtual machine and running it that way.  The third option is out 
as I do not have a second machine to install to.

Any ideas on which one would be better to work with?  Thanks.

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upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

[Donna Goodin]

Subject line says it all.  I just finished the upgrade to High Sierra.  All 
went well, but I still cannot use the option key to delete or navigate text 
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Re: Trouble with Online Banking from Bank of America

[Mary Jo Partyka]

Thank you.


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> On Jun 27, 2018, at 5:12 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  > wrote:
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>> Hi, Les,
>> I started using the mobile bank of america app and like it.
>> 
>> 
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary Jo,
>>> 
>>> Well, I think you’ll like it because there is a confirmation screen where 
>>> you can review the information you entered it before you submit it. Also, I 
>>> don’t remember adding pays very often because I did it many years ago, and 
>>> I have all them set up in my pay you less. I think it might’ve been easier 
>>> to add the man on the website, but it can be done via the app. It’s all a 
>>> matter of personal preference, I think.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Mary Jo Partyka >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I know.
 
 I have it on my phone but was afraid I would make a mistake when I was 
 paying bills.  I’ll try it and see how it works.
 
 
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com 
 
 
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 2:53 PM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Mary Jo,
> 
> I use the app on my iPhone.
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  > wrote:
> 
>> I may contact you again.  I will try using Safari and Google Chrome on 
>> the Mac.  Do you use the mobile version or the one on the website?
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 5:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve used their Web-based banking application successfully with both 
>>> Chrome and Safari on the Mac with VoiceOver.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:42 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: Trouble with Online Banking from Bank of America
>>>  
>>> Hi Mary Jo,
>>> 
>>> My name is Leslie Kriegler, and if I can help you, I will be glad to do 
>>> so. The reason I don’t use the website much is because the app does 
>>> everything I need. Our use the website to download transactions from 
>>> BankAmerica into money talks, but that’s really the only use I have for 
>>> the website at this point. The app performs all the functions that I 
>>> need. Good luck.
>>> Best,
>>> Leslie
>>>  
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Mary Jo Partyka >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
  
 I never tried themobile app but I have it on my phone.  Maybe I will 
 try it.
  
 Thank you for your response.
  
 Mary Jo Partyka
 choir...@gmail.com 
 
 
> On Jun 17, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
>  
> I cannot answer your question about the website, however, are usually 
> mobile banking app and it works really well. Now they have a service 
> where you can actually use your voice to pay bills and find 
> transactions amongst other things. It’s really accessible and I’ve 
> used the app for years. Good luck.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jun 17, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Eileen,
>>  
>> I’m not really sure what’s going on but I’m glad my transactions 
>> went through.  I will call VFO tomorrow to see what they suggest.
>>  
>> Hope you are doing well.
>>  
>>  
>> Mary Jo Partyka
>> choir...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Eileen Scrivani 
>>> mailto:etscriv...@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> Mary Jo,
>>>  
>>> Not totally sure, but with banking web sites, when you change your 
>>> web browser its as though you have switched to a new computer. When 
>>> I first used Chrome to log into my banks web site, it recognized 
>>> that things were not the same and it had me go through a security 
>>> process where I had to enter a code 

IOS podcast app: password protected podcast

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
The password protected podcast is at:
http://www.talkingnewspapers.org/tnaservice/rss_itunes_publication.jsp?category=Science+and+Nature=163
Please let me know how if you find a place where I can enter the userid and 
password to play this podcast. If I just try to play the podcast I get a 
message saying that the podcast is temporarily unavailable and to retry again 
later. I assume this is because of the missing userid and password. I can play 
the podcast fine using iTunes on my iMac.
Many thanks….
Paul Hopewell

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Re: How are people using Mac OS public betas and testing them.

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi Matthew. I just installed the beta overtop of my High Sierra installation. 
If you're brave enough to do that, go for it.

Shawn
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> On Jun 27, 2018, at 9:18 AM, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Morning all,
> 
> I have a question for thoues who are testing Mac OS builds?  I am just 
> curious as to how people are doing so?  I have a couple of options I could 
> work with but not sure how affisient this might be.  First I have an external 
> hard drive I could install to and really considering this option.  Second, I 
> could set this up as a virtual machine and running it that way.  The third 
> option is out as I do not have a second machine to install to.
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> Any ideas on which one would be better to work with?  Thanks.
> 
> Matthew
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Re: Google Suite

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't believe that Google has phone support for general G Suite service 
support.  You could try the accessi...@googlegroups.com eMail address which is 
a Google Group that has many Google users, including some Google staff as far 
as I'm aware.  I believe that you need to join the group first before you can 
post in the forum.

Let me know if you need more info.

Later...

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jun 27, 2018, at 08:47, jean parker  wrote:

Hello All:

Hoping someone can help.

Just now, I wrote to Google on their published accessibility team email address 
and my message was returned as undeliverable. Great!

The problem is that I am receiving an increasing number of documents that are 
either on Google Drive or some other location in Google Suite. My intent in 
writing to them was to get help accessing these documents. In the past, I have 
been able to access the ocasional document in Google Drive mostly by accident. 
I have screen reader optimization turned on but still can’t make any sense of 
it.

So, there are two questions. First, does anyone have a valid email or phone 
number for the accessibility people at Google and second, can someone provide 
good info about how to manage these documents?

All help greatly appreciated.

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
Geneva, Switzerland

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Re: follow-up to Option key issue

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thanks for this information.

Kristeen


> On Jun 26, 2018, at 4:00 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Before I upgraded to High Sierra, I decided to give Apple Accessibility a 
> call to see if they could shed any light on the situation.  They were not 
> able to fix the problem, but I did learn a few things.  Posting here for 
> Christine Hughes and anyone else who may be interested.
> 
> The problem is not related to dictation.  I was able to turn dictation off, 
> and the problem still persists.
> 
> Though I still can't use the Option-Arrow commands, he did point out that you 
> can use VO arrow keys to accomplish the same thing.  It's not a perfect 
> solution, because you can't use VO-backspace to delete a word at a time, but 
> at least you can use it to move around through your text.
> 
> Christine, I hope this is helpful for your friend.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Google Suite

[jean parker]

Hello All:

Hoping someone can help.

Just now, I wrote to Google on their published accessibility team email address 
and my message was returned as undeliverable. Great!

The problem is that I am receiving an increasing number of documents that are 
either on Google Drive or some other location in Google Suite. My intent in 
writing to them was to get help accessing these documents. In the past, I have 
been able to access the ocasional document in Google Drive mostly by accident. 
I have screen reader optimization turned on but still can’t make any sense of 
it.

So, there are two questions. First, does anyone have a valid email or phone 
number for the accessibility people at Google and second, can someone provide 
good info about how to manage these documents?

All help greatly appreciated.

Jean

Dr. Jean Parker, Ph.D.
Senior Research Fellow
Trans4m Center For Integral Development
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How are people using Mac OS public betas and testing them.

[matthew dyer]

Morning all,

I have a question for thoues who are testing Mac OS builds?  I am just curious 
as to how people are doing so?  I have a couple of options I could work with 
but not sure how affisient this might be.  First I have an external hard drive 
I could install to and really considering this option.  Second, I could set 
this up as a virtual machine and running it that way.  The third option is out 
as I do not have a second machine to install to.

Any ideas on which one would be better to work with?  Thanks.

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Re: How to make gmail messages go away completely

[Kristeen Hughes]

I am using the latest versions of OS and IOS on my Mac Mini and my iPhone 7. I 
have all of the account settings set to move messages into the trash folder for 
Gmail trash. I have checked the checkbox for delete messages after 30 days. 
Still they are all in the all mail folder and if I manually delete them or 
confirm permanently delete, they reappear in a few seconds.
When I searched google, I came upon an article that addressed this. It said I 
had to do something to the trash folder to change its properties. It then gave 
me an image with text that, of course I couldn’t read. I think this change 
would have been made on my mac.

Kristeen

 
> On Jun 26, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> For Gmail on both Mac Mail and IOS mail, the default is usually to “archive” 
> messages when you hit the delete key. There are settings to change this in 
> the mail preferences under the account area. Please provide more specifics 
> about system / version and I am we can perhaps give more specific 
> instructions.
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:45 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me how to accomplish this? I have googled it and I got an 
>> article that would have been perfect, but they used text within an image for 
>> a very important piece of the procedure. I cannot make the messages go away 
>> and not come back to the trash folders and/or the all mail folder. I am so 
>> frustrated. Maybe iCloud is an answer?
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Solo DX Hollywood Access Services

[Ian Harrison]

Dear listers,

I have just searched the itunes store for some audio described films and found 
various sound tracks for some films provided by the Solo DX team. They appear 
to be a start up looking to provide the AD for as many films as possible.

Has anyone tried these out? At £1.49 per track it seems very cheap. Is there 
any way to synch the soundtrack to the film like some other apps have done?

Cheers, Ian

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Re: Trouble with Online Banking from Bank of America

[Les Kriegler]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2018, at 11:27 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Les,
> I started using the mobile bank of america app and like it.
> 
> 
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary Jo,
>> 
>> Well, I think you’ll like it because there is a confirmation screen where 
>> you can review the information you entered it before you submit it. Also, I 
>> don’t remember adding pays very often because I did it many years ago, and I 
>> have all them set up in my pay you less. I think it might’ve been easier to 
>> add the man on the website, but it can be done via the app. It’s all a 
>> matter of personal preference, I think.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:02 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I know.
>>> 
>>> I have it on my phone but was afraid I would make a mistake when I was 
>>> paying bills.  I’ll try it and see how it works.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mary Jo Partyka
>>> choir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 18, 2018, at 2:53 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
 
 Hi Mary Jo,
 
 I use the app on my iPhone.
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Jun 18, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
> 
> I may contact you again.  I will try using Safari and Google Chrome on 
> the Mac.  Do you use the mobile version or the one on the website?
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 5:17 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I’ve used their Web-based banking application successfully with both 
>> Chrome and Safari on the Mac with VoiceOver.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
>> On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 2:42 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Trouble with Online Banking from Bank of America
>>  
>> Hi Mary Jo,
>> 
>> My name is Leslie Kriegler, and if I can help you, I will be glad to do 
>> so. The reason I don’t use the website much is because the app does 
>> everything I need. Our use the website to download transactions from 
>> BankAmerica into money talks, but that’s really the only use I have for 
>> the website at this point. The app performs all the functions that I 
>> need. Good luck.
>> Best,
>> Leslie
>>  
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 1:29 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>  
>>> I never tried themobile app but I have it on my phone.  Maybe I will 
>>> try it.
>>>  
>>> Thank you for your response.
>>>  
>>> Mary Jo Partyka
>>> choir...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 17, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
  
 I cannot answer your question about the website, however, are usually 
 mobile banking app and it works really well. Now they have a service 
 where you can actually use your voice to pay bills and find 
 transactions amongst other things. It’s really accessible and I’ve 
 used the app for years. Good luck.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Jun 17, 2018, at 12:59 PM, Mary Jo Partyka  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Eileen,
>  
> I’m not really sure what’s going on but I’m glad my transactions went 
> through.  I will call VFO tomorrow to see what they suggest.
>  
> Hope you are doing well.
>  
>  
> Mary Jo Partyka
> choir...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2018, at 10:49 AM, Eileen Scrivani 
>>  wrote:
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>> Mary Jo,
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>> Not totally sure, but with banking web sites, when you change your 
>> web browser its as though you have switched to a new computer. When 
>> I first used Chrome to log into my banks web site, it recognized 
>> that things were not the same and it had me go through a security 
>> process where I had to enter a code they texted me. Perhaps the 
>> problem was something similar. Although, it sounds like your 
>> transactions went through. 
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>> From: Mary Jo Partyka 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2018 10:23 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Trouble with Online Banking from Bank of America
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>> Hi,
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>> The Bank of America changed its site a few months ago.  I first 
>> started paying bills with Google Chrome and used it for other 
>> things.  Now Google Chrome is acting weird and not even showing me 
>> the links that I need to use to get to things.  Last night I made 
>> Internet Explorer my default browser and tried to pay my bills three 
>> different times.  I tried it on another