date:20190205

   Hmmm, do you make house calls? (grins) I think I know what I am 
doing wrong. On the iPhone, after I receive  code, I have to close the 
dialog so I can switch back to the remote app. In doing so I must be 
nuking the code. I will have to use the ATV keyboard but will give it a 
rest for now..

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Hi,

I did it with my ATV 2 this evening.  Worked like a charm.  I entered my 
Apple ID and password, then asked my iPhone to generate a verification 
code, entered it with the ATV remote and all went as planned.  Apple 
Music is not available of course,, but I can get at the music by 
connecting to one of my computers.  Purchased music is available, 
without connecting to the computer, but my playlists are in the Cloud, 
so I either need to connect to the computer or have iTunes Match, which 
I just got rid of in favour of Apple Music.  Purchased movies and TV 
shows are all available to my ATV 2 and I can get the ripped ones from 
the computer.  Cool, now I have access to the iTunes libraries on both 
Apple TV's.  I will say that the ATV 4 is much nicer in my world, but 
it's fun to still have the use of the old one for a while.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 19:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   I NEED dessert! Won't hurt me now because I gave up. T took the Mac 
downstairs, it got messy. Can't bring the TV up but maybe I can bring 
the ATV up, will see if that is doable.

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On 2/5/2019 4:30 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Lol! Well, just finished dinner, guess it's time for dessert!
I had a minor emergency medical procedure done today, so haven't been 
able to follow the rest of the thread.  did you get it sorted out?

Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

  Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that 
Bailey's over and let's straighten out the mess I have here. (grins)

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On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself.  Baileys 
and coffee is to die for!  So is Frangelico and coffee!  Though they 
do turn coffee into more of a dessert, and less of a morning wake-up 
thing.

Cheers,
Donna
On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

  Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I 
don't fix this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have 
coffee ready for me. :)

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On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey Simon,
Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so 
was just making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser 
is always desirable no matter the distilled beverage.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:

Ok Gents,
I’m kind of confused!?
Why would you put baileys into coffee?
Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with 
other substances

Straight with no addatives
You guys are weird.
Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without 
mixing it with anything.

Weird man weird!
*From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

>

*Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
Hi,
Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a 
shot of Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or 
you won't care ;).

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password 
a time or two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its 
odd because I can sign out of things on the Mac and sign back

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Hi,

I did it with my ATV 2 this evening.  Worked like a charm.  I entered my Apple 
ID and password, then asked my iPhone to generate a verification code, entered 
it with the ATV remote and all went as planned.  Apple Music is not available 
of course,, but I can get at the music by connecting to one of my computers.  
Purchased music is available, without connecting to the computer, but my 
playlists are in the Cloud, so I either need to connect to the computer or have 
iTunes Match, which I just got rid of in favour of Apple Music.  Purchased 
movies and TV shows are all available to my ATV 2 and I can get the ripped ones 
from the computer.  Cool, now I have access to the iTunes libraries on both 
Apple TV's.  I will say that the ATV 4 is much nicer in my world, but it's fun 
to still have the use of the old one for a while.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 19:22, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I NEED dessert! Won't hurt me now because I gave up. T took the Mac 
downstairs, it got messy. Can't bring the TV up but maybe I can bring the ATV 
up, will see if that is doable.

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On 2/5/2019 4:30 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Lol! Well, just finished dinner, guess it's time for dessert!
> I had a minor emergency medical procedure done today, so haven't been able to 
> follow the rest of the thread.  did you get it sorted out?
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>   Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that Bailey's over 
>> and let's straighten out the mess I have here. (grins)
>> 
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>> On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself.  Baileys and 
>>> coffee is to die for!  So is Frangelico and coffee!  Though they do turn 
>>> coffee into more of a dessert, and less of a morning wake-up thing.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
 On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
   Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I don't 
 fix this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee ready for 
 me. :)
 
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 On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hey Simon,
> Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so was 
> just making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser is always 
> desirable no matter the distilled beverage.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:
> Ok Gents,
> I’m kind of confused!?
> Why would you put baileys into coffee?
> Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other 
> substances
> Straight with no addatives
> You guys are weird.
> Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing it 
> with anything.
> Weird man weird!
> *From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  >
> *Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> 
> *Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
> Hi,
> Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a shot of 
> Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or you won't care 
> ;).
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
>   We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a time 
> or two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd because I 
> can sign out of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the 
> process tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough coffee. :)
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> On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>Hi,
>Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that
>would be automatically sent to one of your already approved

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

I NEED dessert! Won't hurt me now because I gave up. T took the Mac
downstairs, it got messy. Can't bring the TV up but maybe I can bring
the ATV up, will see if that is doable.

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On 2/5/2019 4:30 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Lol! Well, just finished dinner, guess it's time for dessert!

I had a minor emergency medical procedure done today, so haven't been able to
follow the rest of the thread. did you get it sorted out?
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that Bailey's over
and let's straighten out the mess I have here. (grins)

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On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself. Baileys and coffee
is to die for! So is Frangelico and coffee! Though they do turn coffee into
more of a dessert, and less of a morning wake-up thing.
Cheers,
Donna

On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I don't fix
this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee ready for me. :)

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On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey Simon,
Sorry for driving you over the edge. I'm not a coffee drinker, so was just
making a suggestion. I agree though, straight, no chaser is always desirable
no matter the distilled beverage.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
Ok Gents,
I’m kind of confused!?
Why would you put baileys into coffee?
Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other substances
Straight with no addatives
You guys are weird.
Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing it with
anything.
Weird man weird!
*From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
*Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
*Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
Hi,
Straight coffee might be the issue. Spice it up a little with a shot of
Bailey's and things may just work better. Either that, or you won't care ;).
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a time or
two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd because I can sign
out of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the process
tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough coffee. :)
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On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that
would be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.
So, if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you
attempt to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for
Apple ID and password, it usually sends a notification to the
iPhone. If it is not doing this, then it's possible that your ATV
is still considered an approved device from before, but I thought
that it might do the 2FA thing again. I don't have an ATV 3
anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA
separately.
It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:
Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the
iTunes and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

2019-02-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

Lol! Well, just finished dinner, guess it's time for dessert!

I had a minor emergency medical procedure done today, so haven't been able to 
follow the rest of the thread.  did you get it sorted out?
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:06 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that Bailey's over 
> and let's straighten out the mess I have here. (grins)
> 
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> On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself.  Baileys and 
>> coffee is to die for!  So is Frangelico and coffee!  Though they do turn 
>> coffee into more of a dessert, and less of a morning wake-up thing.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I don't 
>>> fix this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee ready for 
>>> me. :)
>>> 
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>>> On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hey Simon,
 Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so was 
 just making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser is always 
 desirable no matter the distilled beverage.
 Later...
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty >>> > wrote:
 Ok Gents,
 I’m kind of confused!?
 Why would you put baileys into coffee?
 Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other 
 substances
 Straight with no addatives
 You guys are weird.
 Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing it 
 with anything.
 Weird man weird!
 *From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> >
 *Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
 *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 
 *Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
 Hi,
 Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a shot of 
 Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or you won't care 
 ;).
 Later...
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
   We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a time 
 or two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd because I 
 can sign out of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the 
 process tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough coffee. :)
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Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that
would be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.
  So, if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you
attempt to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for
Apple ID and password, it usually sends a notification to the
iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's possible that your ATV
is still considered an approved device from before, but I thought
that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3
anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA
separately.
It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>
 >
wrote:
   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the
iTunes and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
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Hi,

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

   I'm using my braille display for this. iPhone sits next to it, 
remote app and settings app in the switcher. Yes I tried entering the 
password then getting a new code. I read on a forum olone that someone 
found getting a new code from his Mac was immediately successful. My Mac 
is upstairs, ATV downstairs. I'd have to break the Mac down and set it 
up downstairs. Crazy. Going to look at prices for an ATV 4th.

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On 2/5/2019 12:18 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Yes, the ATV 4 and ATV 4K are very accessible out of the box.  I really 
like my 4.  I read up some more at:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7533430?answerId=31449476022#31449476022

and learned that it has to do with the short expiration time for the 2FA 
code.  The expiration time is about 30 seconds, and if you're using the 
ATV remote to enter the username/password/2FA code, you're better than 
me if you can get it entered in less than 30 seconds.  Essentially, the 
solution is to enter the Apple ID, and password, then leave the ATV 
waiting while you generate a new 2FA code.  Use your iPhone or Mac to 
generate a new code, when that code is generated and presented, then you 
should be able to enter it within the 30 second time limit.  If not, if 
you have a Bluetooth keyboard, pair it with the ATV and, if you're a 
fast typer, you might get it in on time.  To generate the new code on 
your iPhone, go to Settings, Your Name, Password & Security, then down 
near the bottom of the screen, there's an item that reads "Get a 
Verification Code".  Double-tap this and enter it on the ATV.

HTH.

I might give this a try some time later this week on my old ATV just for 
fun.  This also should let you watch Star Trek tonight instead of 
falling asleep or throwing your beverage at the TV during the propaganda 
delivery.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 13:00, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   Maybe I should order a 4th. From what I understand, accessibility is 
much better out of the box.

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On 2/5/2019 11:56 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
I had similar problems with the ATV 2.  I just gave up as I already 
have a ATV 4.  the 2 was just for fun connected to a different speaker 
system.  I just use it for AirPlay music now and all is good.  I'll 
probably just mothball it soon and reconnect an old Airport Express 
for the AirPlay part of things.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  The ATV 3rd is no longer updated. I just realized that since I use 
2FA, that may be where I need to go. Well, I tried several times to 
enter a verification code appended to my Apple ID password. Frustrated 
now.

  Gonna be a long night. :/
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Hi,
Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may 
wish to do the reset so that everything is clean from the start. 
 Yes, Star Trek is much preferred to the political ramblings that are 
likely tonight.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. 
Tried restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to 
turn on home sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the 
password is incorrect. I only have one Apple ID and everything is on 
the same wifi. I must get this going so I can watch Star Trek. I do 
NOT want to hear about any political nonsense which is going to ramp 
up tonight. (nasty grin)
  I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 
3rd). And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?

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Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that 
would be

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Hi,

Yes, the ATV 4 and ATV 4K are very accessible out of the box.  I really like my 
4.  I read up some more at:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7533430?answerId=31449476022#31449476022 


and learned that it has to do with the short expiration time for the 2FA code.  
The expiration time is about 30 seconds, and if you're using the ATV remote to 
enter the username/password/2FA code, you're better than me if you can get it 
entered in less than 30 seconds.  Essentially, the solution is to enter the 
Apple ID, and password, then leave the ATV waiting while you generate a new 2FA 
code.  Use your iPhone or Mac to generate a new code, when that code is 
generated and presented, then you should be able to enter it within the 30 
second time limit.  If not, if you have a Bluetooth keyboard, pair it with the 
ATV and, if you're a fast typer, you might get it in on time.  To generate the 
new code on your iPhone, go to Settings, Your Name, Password & Security, then 
down near the bottom of the screen, there's an item that reads "Get a 
Verification Code".  Double-tap this and enter it on the ATV.

HTH.

I might give this a try some time later this week on my old ATV just for fun.  
This also should let you watch Star Trek tonight instead of falling asleep or 
throwing your beverage at the TV during the propaganda delivery.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 13:00, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Maybe I should order a 4th. From what I understand, accessibility is much 
better out of the box.

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> Hi,
> I had similar problems with the ATV 2.  I just gave up as I already have a 
> ATV 4.  the 2 was just for fun connected to a different speaker system.  I 
> just use it for AirPlay music now and all is good.  I'll probably just 
> mothball it soon and reconnect an old Airport Express for the AirPlay part of 
> things.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   The ATV 3rd is no longer updated. I just realized that since I use 2FA, 
> that may be where I need to go. Well, I tried several times to enter a 
> verification code appended to my Apple ID password. Frustrated now.
>   Gonna be a long night. :/
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>> Hi,
>> Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may wish to 
>> do the reset so that everything is clean from the start.  Yes, Star Trek is 
>> much preferred to the political ramblings that are likely tonight.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>   I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. Tried 
>> restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn on home 
>> sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is incorrect. I 
>> only have one Apple ID and everything is on the same wifi. I must get this 
>> going so I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to hear about any political 
>> nonsense which is going to ramp up tonight. (nasty grin)
>>   I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 3rd). 
>> And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>> 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would be 
>>> automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if your 
>>> iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to sign in 
>>> with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and password, it 
>>> usually sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then 
>>> it's possible that your ATV is still considered an approved device from 
>>> before, but I thought that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have 
>>> an ATV 3 anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA 
>>> separately.
>>> It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

   Maybe I should order a 4th. From what I understand, accessibility is 
much better out of the box.

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On 2/5/2019 11:56 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

I had similar problems with the ATV 2.  I just gave up as I already have 
a ATV 4.  the 2 was just for fun connected to a different speaker 
system.  I just use it for AirPlay music now and all is good.  I'll 
probably just mothball it soon and reconnect an old Airport Express for 
the AirPlay part of things.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   The ATV 3rd is no longer updated. I just realized that since I use 
2FA, that may be where I need to go. Well, I tried several times to 
enter a verification code appended to my Apple ID password. Frustrated now.

   Gonna be a long night. :/

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On 2/5/2019 11:03 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may 
wish to do the reset so that everything is clean from the start.  Yes, 
Star Trek is much preferred to the political ramblings that are likely 
tonight.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. 
Tried restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn 
on home sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is 
incorrect. I only have one Apple ID and everything is on the same 
wifi. I must get this going so I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to 
hear about any political nonsense which is going to ramp up tonight. 
(nasty grin)
  I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 
3rd). And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would 
be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, 
if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt 
to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID 
and password, it usually sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it 
is not doing this, then it's possible that your ATV is still 
considered an approved device from before, but I thought that it 
might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3 anymore, but my 
ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA separately.

It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to 
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes 
and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

Many believe that we have been visited
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On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I 
believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of your 
password.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing 
out and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple 
ID password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing 
to turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The message I get is that the ID 
and password do not match. On the ATV neither iCloud nor iTunes will 
accept my input.What am I overlooking?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Hi,

I had similar problems with the ATV 2.  I just gave up as I already have a ATV 
4.  the 2 was just for fun connected to a different speaker system.  I just use 
it for AirPlay music now and all is good.  I'll probably just mothball it soon 
and reconnect an old Airport Express for the AirPlay part of things.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:53, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  The ATV 3rd is no longer updated. I just realized that since I use 2FA, that 
may be where I need to go. Well, I tried several times to enter a verification 
code appended to my Apple ID password. Frustrated now.

  Gonna be a long night. :/

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 11:03 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may wish to 
> do the reset so that everything is clean from the start.  Yes, Star Trek is 
> much preferred to the political ramblings that are likely tonight.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. Tried 
> restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn on home 
> sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is incorrect. I 
> only have one Apple ID and everything is on the same wifi. I must get this 
> going so I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to hear about any political 
> nonsense which is going to ramp up tonight. (nasty grin)
>   I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 3rd). 
> And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would be 
>> automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if your 
>> iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to sign in with 
>> your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and password, it usually 
>> sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's 
>> possible that your ATV is still considered an approved device from before, 
>> but I thought that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3 
>> anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA separately.
>> It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to reset the 
>> password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes and App stores 
>> on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>> 
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I believe 
>>> you need to append the six digit code to the end of your password.
>>> Later...
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>  
>>> > wrote:
>>>   Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing out and 
>>> then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple ID password on 
>>> the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing to turn on again on the 
>>> ATV 3rd. The message I get is that the ID and password do not match. On the 
>>> ATV neither iCloud nor iTunes will accept my input.What am I overlooking?
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com  
>>>  
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

   The ATV 3rd is no longer updated. I just realized that since I use 
2FA, that may be where I need to go. Well, I tried several times to 
enter a verification code appended to my Apple ID password. Frustrated now.

   Gonna be a long night. :/

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 11:03 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may wish 
to do the reset so that everything is clean from the start.  Yes, Star 
Trek is much preferred to the political ramblings that are likely tonight.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. 
Tried restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn 
on home sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is 
incorrect. I only have one Apple ID and everything is on the same wifi. 
I must get this going so I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to hear 
about any political nonsense which is going to ramp up tonight. (nasty grin)

   I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 
3rd). And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would 
be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if 
your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to 
sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and 
password, it usually sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it is not 
doing this, then it's possible that your ATV is still considered an 
approved device from before, but I thought that it might do the 2FA 
thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3 anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, 
and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA separately.

It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to 
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes 
and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com  

Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I 
believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of your 
password.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing out 
and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple ID 
password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing to 
turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The message I get is that the ID and 
password do not match. On the ATV neither iCloud nor iTunes will 
accept my input.What am I overlooking?

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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Hi,

Have you checked the ATV software is up to date?  If it is, you may wish to do 
the reset so that everything is clean from the start.  Yes, Star Trek is much 
preferred to the political ramblings that are likely tonight.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:45, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. Tried 
restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn on home 
sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is incorrect. I only 
have one Apple ID and everything is on the same wifi. I must get this going so 
I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to hear about any political nonsense which 
is going to ramp up tonight. (nasty grin)

  I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 3rd). And 
I am not certain that will work. Maybe?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hi,
> Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would be 
> automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if your 
> iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to sign in with 
> your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and password, it usually 
> sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's 
> possible that your ATV is still considered an approved device from before, 
> but I thought that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3 
> anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA separately.
> It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to reset the 
> password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes and App stores on 
> the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I believe 
>> you need to append the six digit code to the end of your password.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>   Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing out and 
>> then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple ID password on 
>> the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing to turn on again on the 
>> ATV 3rd. The message I get is that the ID and password do not match. On the 
>> ATV neither iCloud nor iTunes will accept my input.What am I overlooking?
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> 
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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

   I did not start over. I rebooted the iPhone and it seems good now. 
Tried restarting ATV. Not so good. Every time I try to sign in to turn 
on home sharing. I get it cannot find my Apple ID or the password is 
incorrect. I only have one Apple ID and everything is on the same wifi. 
I must get this going so I can watch Star Trek. I do NOT want to hear 
about any political nonsense which is going to ramp up tonight. (nasty grin)

   I could reset ATV but that means manually turning Voiceover on (ATV 
3rd). And I am not certain that will work. Maybe?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would be 
automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if your 
iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to sign in 
with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and password, it 
usually sends a notification to the iPhone.  If it is not doing this, 
then it's possible that your ATV is still considered an approved device 
from before, but I thought that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I 
don't have an ATV 3 anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows 
for the 2FA separately.

It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to 
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes 
and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I 
believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of your password.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:
  Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing out 
and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple ID 
password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing to 
turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The message I get is that the ID and 
password do not match. On the ATV neither iCloud nor iTunes will 
accept my input.What am I overlooking?

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Re: DBT help

To true!
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 18:06, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

  By crackers! :) Sometimes its simply too easy eh?

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On 2/5/2019 10:01 AM, RATTRAY, JULIE wrote:
Dear all,
OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move round the 
dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not sure if I feel 
stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled that it lets me do it 
but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform Duxbury of the whole issue but 
glad for now to have found a solution.
Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky in the 
morning coffee after all 
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:

Hi,

Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it off it 
just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - will keep 
you updated
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus tries 
to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets totally 
confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using VoiceOver, it 
could have been corrected.
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
Duxberry is aware.

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:

 I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange things. 
If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop interacting?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 

Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort of 
proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might cause 
issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the weekend 
as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow would be 
T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a 
feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a balmy -26 and 
it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I 
can be much help with your DBT issue.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
 > wrote:
Hi,
Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 

> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't

Re: DBT help

Hi,
>From what I recall of the Canadian Whisky I tried when in Halifax your wife is 
>quite right - and indeed it is always 5.oclock somewhere!
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 18:05, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

Glad that you found a solution.  Didn't want to encourage such behaviour so 
early in the morning.  Although, it's likely 5 o'clock somewhere.  Canadian 
whiskey is also tasty in coffee according to my wife.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:01, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Dear all,

OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move round the 
dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not sure if I feel 
stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled that it lets me do it 
but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform Duxbury of the whole issue but 
glad for now to have found a solution.

Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky in the 
morning coffee after all 
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi,

Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it off it 
just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - will keep 
you updated
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus tries 
to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets totally 
confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using VoiceOver, it 
could have been corrected.
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
Duxberry is aware.

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange things. 
If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop interacting?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort of 
proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might cause 
issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the weekend 
as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow would be 
T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a 
feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a balmy -26 and 
it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I 
can be much help with your DBT issue.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:
Hi,
Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can

Re: DBT help

   By crackers! :) Sometimes its simply too easy eh?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 10:01 AM, RATTRAY, JULIE wrote:

Dear all,

OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move 
round the dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not 
sure if I feel stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled 
that it lets me do it but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform 
Duxbury of the whole issue but glad for now to have found a solution.

Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky 
in the morning coffee after all 

Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE > wrote:

Hi,

Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with 
it off it just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking 
now - will keep you updated

Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn > wrote:

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when 
focus tries to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the 
application gets totally confused. Obviously if they had tested this 
panel while using VoiceOver, it could have been corrected.
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make 
sure Duxberry is aware.

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:

 I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do 
in the Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do 
strange things. If you interacted then chose a translation table did 
you stop interacting?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use 
some sort of proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS 
dialog, it might cause issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We 
were having fun over the weekend as we heard that you had some cold 
and snow.  Her cold and snow would be T-shirt weather for us right 
now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a feels like 
between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a 
balmy -26 and it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress. 
 Sorry, I doesn't appear that I can be much help with your DBT issue.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:

Hi,
Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 

> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead 
of tabbing around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog. 
 Logically, it shouldn't make any difference, but when 
incompatibilities are involved, it's worth trying anything.  I 
don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can come up with at 
this point.

BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is 
cool.  My daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now. 
 Small world :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your 
coffee but probably not first thing in the morning - although if I 
can’t fix my current issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the

Re: DBT help

Hi,

Glad that you found a solution.  Didn't want to encourage such behaviour so 
early in the morning.  Although, it's likely 5 o'clock somewhere.  Canadian 
whiskey is also tasty in coffee according to my wife.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 11:01, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:

Dear all,

OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move round the 
dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not sure if I feel 
stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled that it lets me do it 
but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform Duxbury of the whole issue but 
glad for now to have found a solution.

Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky in the 
morning coffee after all  
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education 
Durham University 
Leazes Road 
DURHAM 
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249 
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled 



> On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it off 
> it just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - will 
> keep you updated 
> Best wishes
> Julie
> 
> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
> School of Education 
> Durham University 
> Leazes Road 
> DURHAM 
> DH1 1TA
> 
> Tel: 0191 3348249 
> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
> Twitter @joolsled 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus 
>> tries to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets 
>> totally confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using 
>> VoiceOver, it could have been corrected. 
>> So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
>> Duxberry is aware.
>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
>>> Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange 
>>> things. If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop 
>>> interacting?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>> On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
 Hi,
 Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some 
 sort of proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it 
 might cause issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun 
 over the weekend as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold 
 and snow would be T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the 
 last few mornings with a feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing 
 how your body gets used to things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it 
 had made it up to a balmy -26 and it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I 
 digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I can be much help with your DBT 
 issue.
 Later...
 Tim Kilburn
 Apple Teacher
 (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE >>>  >> wrote:
 Hi,
 Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
 And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
 Best wishes
 Julie
 Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
 Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
 School of Education
 Durham University
 Leazes Road
 DURHAM
 DH1 1TA
 Tel: 0191 3348249
 Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk  
 >
 Twitter @joolsled
> On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>  >> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of 
> tabbing around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  
> Logically, it shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities 
> are involved, it's worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the 
> best suggestion I can come up with at this point.
> 
> BTW, I

Re: DBT help

Dear all,

OK so I have cracked it! But it is silly - instead of trying to move round the 
dialogue box I just hit enter and it opened the file - not sure if I feel 
stupid for not trying this in the first place or puzzled that it lets me do it 
but won’t let me navigate the box - will inform Duxbury of the whole issue but 
glad for now to have found a solution.

Thanks for all the different suggestions - turns out I won’t need whisky in the 
morning coffee after all 
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:56, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi,

Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it off it 
just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - will keep 
you updated
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled

On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus tries 
to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets totally 
confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using VoiceOver, it 
could have been corrected.
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
Duxberry is aware.

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange things. 
If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop interacting?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort of 
proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might cause 
issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the weekend 
as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow would be 
T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a 
feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a balmy -26 and 
it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I 
can be much help with your DBT issue.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:
Hi,
Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can 
come up with at this point.

BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
is selected
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
closes down

Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
Duxbury who

Re: DBT help

Hi,

Will try that - just tried ET’s suggestion of quick nav but even with it off it 
just closes the programme - going to look at cursor tracking now - will keep 
you updated
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled



On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:54, Jonathan Cohn 
mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus tries 
to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets totally 
confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using VoiceOver, it 
could have been corrected.
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
Duxberry is aware.

On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

 I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange things. 
If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop interacting?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort of 
proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might cause 
issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the weekend 
as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow would be 
T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a 
feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a balmy -26 and 
it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I 
can be much help with your DBT issue.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:
Hi,
Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie
Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA
Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled
On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can 
come up with at this point.

BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk> 
> wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
is selected
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
closes down

Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open but I 
have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - and it 
happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT

I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave



Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 

Twitter @joolsled




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Re: DBT help

2019-02-05 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Another thing to try is turning off Cursor Tracking. Sometimes when focus tries 
to follow the VoiceOver cursor vice-versus the application gets totally 
confused. Obviously if they had tested this panel while using VoiceOver, it 
could have been corrected. 
So, even if you can get around by turning off cursor tracking make sure 
Duxberry is aware.

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 12:43 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do in the 
> Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do strange things. 
> If you interacted then chose a translation table did you stop interacting?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort 
>> of proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might 
>> cause issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the 
>> weekend as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow 
>> would be T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few 
>> mornings with a feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your 
>> body gets used to things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it 
>> up to a balmy -26 and it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, 
>> I doesn't appear that I can be much help with your DBT issue.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE > > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing
>> And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
>> Best wishes
>> Julie
>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>> School of Education
>> Durham University
>> Leazes Road
>> DURHAM
>> DH1 1TA
>> Tel: 0191 3348249
>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>> Twitter @joolsled
>>> On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of 
>>> tabbing around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, 
>>> it shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, 
>>> it's worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion 
>>> I can come up with at this point.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
>>> daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
>>> probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my 
>>> current issue with DBT I may turn to it!
>>> 
>>> So I open DBt
>>> Hit coCMD O  to open the file
>>> Select the file and hit enter
>>> Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English 
>>> UEB is selected
>>> When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
>>> closes down
>>> 
>>> Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
>>> Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open 
>>> but I have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - 
>>> and it happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT
>>> 
>>> I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
>>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>>> School of Education
>>> Durham University
>>> Leazes Road
>>> DURHAM
>>> DH1 1TA
>>> 
>>> Tel: 0191 3348249
>>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>>> Twitter @joolsled
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: DBT help

   I'm running in demo mode. I did not land in that table (which I do 
in the Windows version). So just a guess. Is Quick Nav on? QN can do 
strange things. If you interacted then chose a translation table did you 
stop interacting?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 2/5/2019 9:18 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some 
sort of proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it 
might cause issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun 
over the weekend as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold 
and snow would be T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the 
last few mornings with a feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing 
how your body gets used to things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it 
had made it up to a balmy -26 and it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I 
digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I can be much help with your DBT 
issue.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE > wrote:


Hi,

Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing

And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled



On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of 
tabbing around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog. 
 Logically, it shouldn't make any difference, but when 
incompatibilities are involved, it's worth trying anything.  I don't 
use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can come up with at this point.


BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is 
cool.  My daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small 
world :).


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE > wrote:


Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee 
but probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix 
my current issue with DBT I may turn to it!


So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table 
English UEB is selected
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT 
just closes down


Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have 
contacted Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was 
trying to open but I have opened the same file on an older Mac with 
DBT and embossed it - and it happens on my new machine with any file I 
try to open in DBT


I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave



Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled




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Re: DBT help

Hi,

Hmmm.  That sounds like a job for DBT support people.  If they use some sort of 
proprietary Open dialog instead of the bulb-in MacOS dialog, it might cause 
issues.  Yes, she is really enjoying it.  We were having fun over the weekend 
as we heard that you had some cold and snow.  Her cold and snow would be 
T-shirt weather for us right now.  It's been -40 C the last few mornings with a 
feels like between -45 and -51 C.  It's amazing how your body gets used to 
things.  By the end of the day yesterday, it had made it up to a balmy -26 and 
it actually felt nice out.  Anyway, I digress.  Sorry, I doesn't appear that I 
can be much help with your DBT issue.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 10:07, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:

Hi,

Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing 

And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education 
Durham University 
Leazes Road 
DURHAM 
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249 
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled 



> On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
> around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
> shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
> worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can 
> come up with at this point.
> 
> BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
> daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE  > wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
> probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
> issue with DBT I may turn to it!
> 
> So I open DBt 
> Hit coCMD O  to open the file 
> Select the file and hit enter 
> Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
> is selected 
> When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
> closes down 
> 
> Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
> Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open but 
> I have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - and it 
> happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT 
> 
> I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave 
> 
>  
>
>   
> Best wishes
> Julie
> 
> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
> School of Education 
> Durham University 
> Leazes Road 
> DURHAM 
> DH1 1TA
> 
> Tel: 0191 3348249 
> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
> Twitter @joolsled 
> 
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Re: DBT help

Hi,

Just tried it and got same problem just keeps closing

And yes small world - durham is lovely is she enjoying it?
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled



On 5 Feb 2019, at 16:55, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can 
come up with at this point.

BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE 
mailto:julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk>> wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
is selected
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
closes down

Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open but I 
have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - and it 
happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT

I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave




Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk
Twitter @joolsled




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Re: DBT help

Hi,

It sounds like an incompatibility between Mojave and DBT.  Instead of tabbing 
around, try using VO navigation within the Open dialog.  Logically, it 
shouldn't make any difference, but when incompatibilities are involved, it's 
worth trying anything.  I don't use DBT, but it's the best suggestion I can 
come up with at this point.

BTW, I noticed in your signature that you are in Durham.  that is cool.  My 
daughter is taking her Masters at Durham right now.  Small world :).

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:22, RATTRAY, JULIE  wrote:

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt 
Hit coCMD O  to open the file 
Select the file and hit enter 
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
is selected 
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
closes down 

Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open but I 
have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - and it 
happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT 

I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave 

 
   
  
Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education 
Durham University 
Leazes Road 
DURHAM 
DH1 1TA

Tel: 0191 3348249 
Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
Twitter @joolsled 




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Re: Folder sharing between Macs on the same LAN

Hi,

I don't believe that you'll see network users unless your iMac is bound to a 
network server.  So, what you really want to do is to connect to the iMac from 
the MacBook using a user on the iMac.  So, when sitting at the MacBook, you 
connect to server, with the name or IP of the iMac, then you enter the user 
credentials for an iMac user who has access to that folder.  For example, if 
the folder is on the Desktop of the Bob user on the iMac, then log in as Bob 
when entering credentials from the MacBook.  You're not using the user 
information from the MacBook to log into the iMac, you should be using the user 
information from the iMac to log into the iMac.

I hope that this makes sense.

Later

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Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 09:39, Paul Hopewell  wrote:

Hello, 
My Family have 2 Macs on the same wifi network both running the latest Mojave.
I have set up a folder on the iMac which I want to share with the MacBook. In 
the iMac’s sharing preferences file sharing is enabled and the desired folder 
is in the list of shared folders. Following the help info I want to add the 
user of the MacBook as an authorised user to Access this shared folder. The 
help Tells me that I should see a list of network users from which I can select 
the desired user. Alas I cannot see any option to Choose a network user. I can 
see Options to choose a different user on the iMac to share the folder. 
I have connected the MacBook to the iMac using the connect to server in the 
finder go menu. The MacBook can see the iMac under the Network option of the 
finder go menu but cannot see any folder on the iMac.
The help for sharing files rather confusingly says do a Control + Click on the 
shared folder to choose advanced sharing options. I am not sure whether I need 
to do this and if I do how does one do a Control +Click using VO?
Many thanks for any tips.

Paul Hopewell 

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Folder sharing between Macs on the same LAN

2019-02-05 Thread Paul Hopewell

Hello, 
My Family have 2 Macs on the same wifi network both running the latest Mojave.
I have set up a folder on the iMac which I want to share with the MacBook. In 
the iMac’s sharing preferences file sharing is enabled and the desired folder 
is in the list of shared folders. Following the help info I want to add the 
user of the MacBook as an authorised user to Access this shared folder. The 
help Tells me that I should see a list of network users from which I can select 
the desired user. Alas I cannot see any option to Choose a network user. I can 
see Options to choose a different user on the iMac to share the folder. 
I have connected the MacBook to the iMac using the connect to server in the 
finder go menu. The MacBook can see the iMac under the Network option of the 
finder go menu but cannot see any folder on the iMac.
The help for sharing files rather confusingly says do a Control + Click on the 
shared folder to choose advanced sharing options. I am not sure whether I need 
to do this and if I do how does one do a Control +Click using VO?
Many thanks for any tips.

Paul Hopewell 

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DBT help

Hi,

Firstly, I recommend a good drop of Scottish Whiskhy in your coffee but 
probably not first thing in the morning - although if I can’t fix my current 
issue with DBT I may turn to it!

So I open DBt
Hit coCMD O  to open the file
Select the file and hit enter
Then the dialogue box comes up with the the big translation table English UEB 
is selected
When I try to tab or move round the dialogue box to the ok button DBT just 
closes down

Has anyone experienced this or can you offer any solutions - have contacted 
Duxbury who queried if it was a problem with my file I was trying to open but I 
have opened the same file on an older Mac with DBT and embossed it - and it 
happens on my new machine with any file I try to open in DBT

I have a MacBook Pro with Touch Bar and am running Mohave




Best wishes
Julie

Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA
Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
School of Education
Durham University
Leazes Road
DURHAM
DH1 1TA

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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Now here is someone who has common sense. Donna, being that Bailey's
over and let's straighten out the mess I have here. (grins)

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On 2/5/2019 7:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:

On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
wrote:

Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I don't fix
this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee ready for me. :)

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On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)? If so, on the ATV
3, I believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of
your password.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After
signing out and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with
the new Apple ID password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to
get home sharing to

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

2019-02-05 Thread 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries

OK, I really tried not to jump in, but I can't help myself.  Baileys and coffee 
is to die for!  So is Frangelico and coffee!  Though they do turn coffee into 
more of a dessert, and less of a morning wake-up thing. 
Cheers,
Donna

> On Feb 5, 2019, at 9:40 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I don't fix 
> this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee ready for me. :)
> 
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> On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hey Simon,
>> Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so was just 
>> making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser is always 
>> desirable no matter the distilled beverage.
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty > > wrote:
>> Ok Gents,
>> I’m kind of confused!?
>> Why would you put baileys into coffee?
>> Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other 
>> substances
>> Straight with no addatives
>> You guys are weird.
>> Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing it 
>> with anything.
>> Weird man weird!
>> *From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > >
>> *Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
>> *To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> *Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
>> Hi,
>> Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a shot of 
>> Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or you won't care ;).
>> Later...
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>>   We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a time or 
>> two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd because I can 
>> sign out of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the 
>> process tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough coffee. :)
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> Many believe that we have been visited
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>> On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that
>>would be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.
>>  So, if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you
>>attempt to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for
>>Apple ID and password, it usually sends a notification to the
>>iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's possible that your ATV
>>is still considered an approved device from before, but I thought
>>that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3
>>anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA
>>separately.
>>It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
>>Later...
>>Tim Kilburn
>>Apple Teacher
>>(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>
>> >
>>wrote:
>>   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to
>>reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the
>>iTunes and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>>
>>Many believe that we have been visited
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>>On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>Hi,
>>Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV
>>3, I believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of
>>your password.
>>Later...
>>Tim Kilburn
>>Apple Teacher
>>(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
>>>
>> 
>>> wrote:
>>   Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After
>>signing out and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with
>>the new Apple ID password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to
>>get home sharing to turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The message I
>>

Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

   Simon has long since gone over the cliff. On the other hand, if I 
don't fix this mess today, I may have to join him. He best have coffee 
ready for me. :)

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On 2/5/2019 6:30 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hey Simon,

Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so was 
just making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser is always 
desirable no matter the distilled beverage.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty > wrote:

Ok Gents,
I’m kind of confused!?
Why would you put baileys into coffee?
Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other 
substances

Straight with no addatives
You guys are weird.
Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing 
it with anything.

Weird man weird!
*From:*'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >

*Sent:*Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
*To:*macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
Hi,
Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a shot of 
Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or you won't 
care ;).

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:
   We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a 
time or two in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd 
because I can sign out of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just 
repeat the process tomorrow with a new password. I think I have enough 
coffee. :)

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On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that
would be automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.
  So, if your iPhone is one of the approved devices, then when you
attempt to sign in with your Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for
Apple ID and password, it usually sends a notification to the
iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's possible that your ATV
is still considered an approved device from before, but I thought
that it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3
anymore, but my ATV 2 did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA
separately.
It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
wrote:
   Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to
reset the password again because I just tried to sign into the
iTunes and App stores on the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV
3, I believe you need to append the six digit code to the end of
your password.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> wrote:
   Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After
signing out and then signing back into iTunes and iCloud with
the new Apple ID password on the Mac and iPhone, I am unable to
get home sharing to turn on again on the ATV 3rd. The message I
get is that the ID and password do not match. On the ATV neither
iCloud nor iTunes will accept my input.What am I overlooking?
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Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password

Hey Simon,

Sorry for driving you over the edge.  I'm not a coffee drinker, so was just 
making a suggestion.  I agree though, straight, no chaser is always desirable 
no matter the distilled beverage.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Feb 5, 2019, at 00:34, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Ok Gents,
 
I’m kind of confused!?
 
Why would you put baileys into coffee?
 
Coffee should be taken internally and without polluting it with other substances
 
Straight with no addatives
 
You guys are weird.
 
Bailieys again should be taken straight from the bottle without mixing it with 
anything.
 
Weird man weird!
From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2019 11:52 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple TV after new Apple ID Password
 
Hi,
 
Straight coffee might be the issue.  Spice it up a little with a shot of 
Bailey's and things may just work better.  Either that, or you won't care ;).
 
Later...
 
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:49, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:
 
  We may be on the right path but while I have reset the password a time or two 
in the past, I never had so many issues before. Its odd because I can sign out 
of things on the Mac and sign back in. I may just repeat the process tomorrow 
with a new password. I think I have enough coffee. :)

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On 2/4/2019 2:40 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Normal 2FA behaviour would make you enter a six digit code that would be 
automatically sent to one of your already approved devices.  So, if your iPhone 
is one of the approved devices, then when you attempt to sign in with your 
Apple ID on the ATV, and it asks for Apple ID and password, it usually sends a 
notification to the iPhone.  If it is not doing this, then it's possible that 
your ATV is still considered an approved device from before, but I thought that 
it might do the 2FA thing again.  I don't have an ATV 3 anymore, but my ATV 2 
did that, and my ATV 4 allows for the 2FA separately.
It's possible I'm steering you down the wrong path.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 15:29, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> wrote:
  Yes, I do. This is news to me. Which 6 digit code? I may have to reset the 
password again because I just tried to sign into the iTunes and App stores on 
the iPhone which I thought I already had done.
>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>
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On 2/4/2019 1:39 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,
Do you use 2FA (Two Factor Authentication)?  If so, on the ATV 3, I believe you 
need to append the six digit code to the end of your password.
Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Feb 4, 2019, at 12:41, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
  Another one related to the new Apple ID password. After signing out and then 
signing back into iTunes and iCloud with the new Apple ID password on the Mac 
and iPhone, I am unable to get home sharing to turn on again on the ATV 3rd. 
The message I get is that the ID and password do not match. On the ATV neither 
iCloud nor iTunes will accept my input.What am I overlooking?
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Re: Bootcamp question

2019-02-05 Thread KliphnShari Miller

Again, this is all true for 2015 machines and above.  Mine is a 2014, and apple 
support, and a couple people who have experienced told me this, plus I have 
experienced it myself.  Tried it countless times, same result each time.  No 
sweat though, I will just use fusion until I get my updated MacMini


> On Feb 5, 2019, at 1:28 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Not quite true,
> 
> You don't create the partition yourself 
> 
> But you do tell the installation how large you want to have the windows 
> partition or should I say both partitions mac and windows.
> 
> 
> So long as you have your USB Flash drive inserted in your machine and it has 
> the windows installation media on it then you will be fine.
> 
> But as I said,
> You need to have a windows installation ISO file from which bootcamp creates 
> the installation media on the USB Flash drive and will install from there 
> 
> This is all done through the bootcamp assistant 
> 
> And it's after the partition creation step that the machine will restart in 
> to the windows installation partition / installation steps.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of KliphnShari Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2019 10:53 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Bootcamp question
> 
> This is all true, except for that for  2014 machines and before, you have to 
> partition the drive yourself, and and boot into that drive, then select the I 
> installer drive yourself, then do everything as stated.  Only thing is it 
> keeps giving me the same error message about not being able to find windows 
> images.  Probably will just wait until I get 2018 macmini
> 
> 
>> On Feb 4, 2019, at 3:29 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> When setting up a boot camp system you,
>> 
>> Format a USB flash drive as fat32
>> You also need a windows image (ISO ) file from which the bootcamp assistant 
>> gets the windows installation files / data.
>> 
>> Bootcamp assistant walks you through the first parts of the setup / 
>> config,
>> 
>> Including dividing your harddrive in to the mac os and bootcamp partitions.
>> 
>> Once you do this the installation will go through and as part of the 
>> windows installation you get asked to setup the partitions on the windows 
>> side of the HDD It should by default be a GUID partition which is setup by 
>> the boot camp assistant...
>> 
>> 
>> Select the partition you want to install windows to in  the windows 
>> setup, You need to check the partition sizes and then once selected 
>> you format the drive which will by default be NTFS if windows 10,
>> 
>> Then follow the prompts.
>> 
>> Going back to the USB Flash drive,
>> 
>> If fat32 the bootcamp assistant will write all the installation related data 
>> to that including all files required from the windows ISO file.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.-Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  On Behalf Of KliphnShari Miller
>> Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2019 11:36 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Bootcamp question
>> 
>> So, I know with 2015 and later Macs this process is completed for you, all 
>> you do is select a couple check boxes, sit back and let it do its thing.  
>> But with 2014 and before, you create the installer, and partition your 
>> drive.  What format should this drive be, and how do you launch the 
>> installer once you are in that partition?
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Re: Issue with spreadsheets and VO

2019-02-05 Thread Jürgen Fleger

Hi,

unfortunately true. I’d love to know someone blind sitting there for VoiceOver 
support.

All the best
Jürgen


> Am 05.02.2019 um 00:15 schrieb 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> When on the cell, press option-return.  This will automatically take you to 
> the entry field for the given cell.  YOu'll be able to tell what's in it from 
> there.  Sometimes, Apple's Accessibility team doesn't totally get it, as they 
> often still use their eyes instead of trying it from the VO prospective.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Feb 4, 2019, at 16:05, RATTRAY, JULIE  > wrote:
> 
> Fab thanks I will try that and also send off an email to apple 
> Best wishes
> Julie
> 
> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
> School of Education 
> Durham University 
> Leazes Road 
> DURHAM 
> DH1 1TA
> 
> Tel: 0191 3348249 
> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
> Twitter @joolsled 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Feb 2019, at 23:04, Jürgen Fleger > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> same issue here. Sometimes it helps to click on the merged cell.
>> 
>> Apples accessibility team told me they were not able to duplicate the issue. 
>> So it might be a good idea to send them an e-mail as well to 
>> accessibil...@apple.com  to confirm the 
>> issue.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>> 
>> Von meinem iPhone gesendet
>> 
>> Am 04.02.2019 um 23:58 schrieb RATTRAY, JULIE > >:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I am using Numbers for spreadsheets which generally works fine but I have 
>>> an issue when someone send me a spreadsheet where they have merged columns 
>>> to create wider headings I think VO just says merged cell but does not read 
>>> what is in the cell even if I try interacting with it. Am I doing something 
>>> wrong or can anyone help me to work out what is in the merged cell?
>>> 
>>>   
>>> Best wishes
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>> Dr Julie Rattray SFHEA 
>>> Associate Professor of higher Education and Director of Education
>>> School of Education 
>>> Durham University 
>>> Leazes Road 
>>> DURHAM 
>>> DH1 1TA
>>> 
>>> Tel: 0191 3348249 
>>> Email: julie.ratt...@durham.ac.uk 
>>> Twitter @joolsled 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Issue with spreadsheets and VO