Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Mary and Donna,
   Thank you both. That RBK 50 was one I was checking out on Amazon. 
Will look at it some more in the next day or two.


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On 4/9/2020 8:24 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

We also have the Orbi and are happy with it. I think it is the RBK 50, but I’m 
not totally sure so I would have to get some checking on that. The app is 
reasonably accessible. There’s part of it that isn’t, some sort of map that 
shows where your points are and how to optimize them. But it is accessible in 
that you can do what you need to do.


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On Apr 9, 2020, at 6:17 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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Hey ET,

We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
Cheers,
Donna

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On Apr 9, 2020, at 7:26 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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   I'm considering going mesh and was looking at some Netgear models. Anyone 
using one of these?

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Converting a USB flatbed scanner to a Wireless Scanner

[Dave Carlson]

Seeing some discussion about Netgear and networks, brings up something I’ve 
wanted to do.

I have an Epson GT2500 Flatbed scanner that’s about 15 years old, and only has 
a USB connection to a computer. So it’s connected to my studio workstation. I’d 
like to access this scanner from my Mac and my wife’s Mac. All our computers 
access our home network on our Apple AirPort Extreme router. 

So my question is: What device or dongle do I need so that I plug my scanner 
USB wire into it, and then it is now a device on my network that can be used by 
any of the computers? It needs to have a USB A port on it and needs to connect 
to our home network wirelessly.


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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[Dave Carlson]

Morris,
Okay, thanks. I have an Office 365 subscription, but the actual apps are 
installed on my Mac. They would just be updated automatically from the internet.


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Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

[Mary Otten]

We also have the Orbi and are happy with it. I think it is the RBK 50, but I’m 
not totally sure so I would have to get some checking on that. The app is 
reasonably accessible. There’s part of it that isn’t, some sort of map that 
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that you can do what you need to do.


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> Hey ET,
> 
> We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 7:26 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Anyone using one of these?
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Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hey ET,

I'll have to get the model number and get back to you. But yes, I am using the 
IOS app, and have had no problems.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 8:31 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>  Great! Which model? I need to sort out the specs and all that fun stuff. 
> Are you using the Netgear iOS app to access it?
> 
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> On 4/9/2020 6:17 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hey ET,
>> We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> Sent from my iPad
>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 7:26 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Anyone using one of these?
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I also have a stand alone version which I bought late last fall. I don't know 
if it's still available or not. But I paid a one-time fee, thus avoiding the 
whole subscription thing.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 9:48 PM, maurice mines  wrote:
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> Hello Mr. Carlson, yes that is correct let me explain. When you have office 
> 365 you have the choice of either using the web version of an application or 
> the version of the application that you actually install. Or at least that’s 
> the way it was initially. These days I believe it is only the application 
> install. The difference they were blind users is huge. If you use the web 
> version of the application a screen reader can’t figure out where exact 
> because it’s all based on a webpage. If it’s on the computer, then of course 
> the screenreader is based on what’s presented to it locally. So to some of my 
> answers yes I use a local version of the application but the subscription 
> really is to office 365. I have the five device pack. That means that I can 
> use Windows, Mac, a tablet if I wish, and even a smart phone if I wish. 
> Because all of those devices are natively covered by my subscription. However 
> I believe the tablet and the phone are restricted to the web version not the 
> installed version. Now that I think about it, the phone does use and version 
> meant for the phone. But I think the tablet version is  indeed a webpage. All 
> versions have the account pain. It basically shows the fact that you are 
> using one seat of the license. I hope this clarification, and explanation 
> helps?
> 
>  And closing I’ve been using office three $0.65 late 2015.
> 
> Sincerely Maurice Mines.
> 
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>> Morris,
>> You say your version is not the on line version? So you mean you are not 
>> using Office 365?
>> 
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>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[maurice mines]

Hello Mr. Carlson, yes that is correct let me explain. When you have office 365 
you have the choice of either using the web version of an application or the 
version of the application that you actually install. Or at least that’s the 
way it was initially. These days I believe it is only the application install. 
The difference they were blind users is huge. If you use the web version of the 
application a screen reader can’t figure out where exact because it’s all based 
on a webpage. If it’s on the computer, then of course the screenreader is based 
on what’s presented to it locally. So to some of my answers yes I use a local 
version of the application but the subscription really is to office 365. I have 
the five device pack. That means that I can use Windows, Mac, a tablet if I 
wish, and even a smart phone if I wish. Because all of those devices are 
natively covered by my subscription. However I believe the tablet and the phone 
are restricted to the web version not the installed version. Now that I think 
about it, the phone does use and version meant for the phone. But I think the 
tablet version is  indeed a webpage. All versions have the account pain. It 
basically shows the fact that you are using one seat of the license. I hope 
this clarification, and explanation helps?

 And closing I’ve been using office three $0.65 late 2015.

Sincerely Maurice Mines.

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 19:06, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Morris,
> You say your version is not the on line version? So you mean you are not 
> using Office 365?
> 
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> Dave Carlson
> Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician
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RE: Ios 13.4.1

[Simon A Fogarty]

Tim

It must be that no screen reader or adaptive tech built in to the devices and 
that is all devices from their company,

No option to set the device up from scratch by yourself if your blind,

Extremely low quality speech speech from the screen readers,
So difficult to listen to you can’t under stand the words,

Yeah na I can see why you’d want to change.


From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2020 8:31 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1

Hi,

What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & have 
begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.

On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg 
mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote:

Hi!
I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
/A

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RE: Apple care question

[Simon A Fogarty]

You can purchase apple care up to 60 days after the actual purchase date.



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You can purchase after I think they give you up to 45 days I believe.

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> I am getting ready to purchase a new iPad Pro. Can I purchase apple care 
> after or do I have to purchase it with the device?
> 
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[Karen Lewellen]

Jason,
You  raise an issue that frankly baffles me.
why is it not possible for  an  individual to choose a single operating 
system and   have their needs met from an accessibility standpoint?
why  is it an acceptable situation to need   multiple devices in various 
systems to complete tasks.

It certainly was not always  the case.
I can respect having a laptop or desktop and also a phone or tablet, but 
those  should work in harmony with each other if that makes sense. and 
the accessibility should be consistent on those devices regardless 
of program being used.
I have no idea where the concept of creating a single program to manage a 
single task   then  incorporating accessibility in came from, perhaps the 
windows arena.
Still as someone pointed out earlier in this thread Google believes that 
controlling punctuation  should not be something a user can do  on the 
Android platform.  Yet text to speech is not a screen reader,  with google 
failing to understand  this a major concern.
as you note, most of the individuals meeting with accessibility will not 
have  the technological ability to figure things out..so will simply 
believe  access is an impossibility in  general.
However such complacency about what access is expected to do in part 
started with the population benefiting from that access, not demanding 
that  a screen reader tool work uniformly across the board much the way 
in theory the physical functions  the adaptive tool enhances work in the 
human body.

Kare
Who frankly wonders on average how many machines an individual using 
adaptive technology  owns?




On Thu, 9 Apr 2020, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries wrote:


I haven???t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I???ve read, I don???t expect any changes that will affect me or other 
VoiceOver users significantly.



Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That???s 
why I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I???ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last 
week or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows ??side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so 
it???s really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really 
shouldn???t have to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but 
that???s how it is at the moment. This isn???t the place to discuss application 
and screen reader crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there 
either, or having to switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. 
In my experience, the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, 
and I???ve been using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible 
under Windows than under Mac OS, and vice versa.



I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems ??? one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don???t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just 
isn???t workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is 
adequate for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex 
??? and that???s where I???m doing most of the work, and therefore where I 
notice the problems more. Everyone???s situation is different, of course, and, 
as usual, the people with less technical knowledge will be

The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems ??? on 
whichever platform they???re using. It???s the same everywhere.



From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of joseph hodge


Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1



You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no 
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn???t care.



I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn???t edit boxes for one 
but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can???t read 
all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left 
Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how 
they are. Hope you find what your looking for.



Joe



Sent from my iPad




On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

???Hi,



What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?



Later...




Tim Kilburn

Jamf Certified Tech

Apple Teacher

(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada



On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:



I???m getting fed 

Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[Dave Carlson]

Morris,
You say your version is not the on line version? So you mean you are not using 
Office 365?


Dave Carlson
Pioneer, Farfar, Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, and Musician






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Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

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  Great! Which model? I need to sort out the specs and all that fun 
stuff. Are you using the Netgear iOS app to access it?


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Hey ET,

We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
Cheers,
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   I'm considering going mesh and was looking at some Netgear models. Anyone 
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Re: Mesh Wifi Routers

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Hey ET,

We hav the Orby and are very happy with it.
Cheers,
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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Tim,

Hoping for a few more tips.

I followed the directions and went to System prefs and selected printers and I 
checked the share check box. 

But when we go to the print button on a iOS device under print it says select 
printer but nothing shows up. 

Any next steps?

I did restart both the computer, printer, and iOS Device.

Eric 


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 3:09 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Definitely.  Go to System Preferences, Printers & Scanners, select the 
> printer, then V-right to the "share this Printer" checkbox and check it.  
> Basically, that's all you need to do although you can go into the Options & 
> Supplies section if you wish to modify its name.  As long as your computer is 
> turned on an connected to that network, others will be able to print to it 
> through your Mac.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
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> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:40, Eric Caron  > wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
>   My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
> would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
> very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
> figure it out. 
> 
>   I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
> fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
> another Mac be able to print from the printer. 
> 
> Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
> somehow through my Mac? 
> 
> Any tips appreciated.
> 
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Mesh Wifi Routers

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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I haven’t updated to iOS 13.4.1 yet, but I plan to do it soon. Based on what 
I’ve read, I don’t expect any changes that will affect me or other VoiceOver 
users significantly.

 

Every modern operating system has accessibility bugs, unfortunately. That’s why 
I sometimes have to switch operating systems just to get work done. For 
example, I’ve switched from Windows to Mac to complete a task in the last week 
or two due to accessibility issues on the Windows  side. Fortunately, the 
laptop with Windows installed and the MacBook Pro are on the same desk, so it’s 
really easy to move from one to the other. Of course, I really shouldn’t have 
to move between two computers just to do my work properly, but that’s how it is 
at the moment. This isn’t the place to discuss application and screen reader 
crashes on Windows, or accessibility regressions there either, or having to 
switch between Windows screen readers to work around bugs. In my experience, 
the Mac has had its share of accessibility problems as well, and I’ve been 
using it since 2014. Some applications are more accessible under Windows than 
under Mac OS, and vice versa.

 

I have Windows 10, Mac OS, Linux and iOS here, so I believe I can make fair 
comparisons. As it stands, I think the practical advice is to have multiple 
operating systems available and to switch between them, as the task requires, 
to work around accessibility problems. I should be able to choose two operating 
systems – one for a laptop/desktop and the other for mobile, and use those 
exclusively, but I don’t envisage that being effective from an accessibility 
perspective for me within the short term or even the medium term. It just isn’t 
workable, given the quality problems across multiple platforms. iOS is adequate 
for my mobile needs, but the desktop/laptop situation is more complex – and 
that’s where I’m doing most of the work, and therefore where I notice the 
problems more. Everyone’s situation is different, of course, and, as usual, the 
people with less technical knowledge will be 

The most disadvantaged when they run into accessibility problems – on whichever 
platform they’re using. It’s the same everywhere.

 

From: Macvisionaries  on behalf of joseph 
hodge 


Reply-To: Macvisionaries 
Date: Thursday, April 9, 2020 at 16:38
To: Macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: Ios 13.4.1

 

You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no 
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care. 

 

I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one but 
every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read all 
punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left Apple 
for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how they 
are. Hope you find what your looking for.

 

Joe

 

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Hi,

 

What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?

 

Later...

 


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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

 

I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & have 
begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.


On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
/A

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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Did anyone think that maybe we’re all expecting more and more out of our smart 
devices and there are so many third party apps out there that are trying to 
cater to our needs that the likes of Apple and the other phone manufactures 
like the android phones are having to update and week the software so often to 
try and keep things running smoothly. It’s going to be dam near impossible to 
get it perfect all the time. 

> On 10/04/2020, at 08:48, Eric Brinkman  wrote:
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> I agree with Andrew.  Apple's quality control has been deteriorating
> ever since Steve died and it's not just accessibility.  There have
> been countless posts on sites like MacWorld documenting bugs that have
> been reported for years with no fixes.  However I can't justify
> switching to Android because it seems to have quite a few
> accessibility issues of its own.
> 
> On 4/9/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave
>> no reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care.
>> 
>> I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one
>> but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read
>> all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left
>> Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see
>> how they are. Hope you find what your looking for.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing
>>> on accessibility?
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
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Re: Books App on IOS

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Your welcome Paul,
I did reply all this time so hopefully my reply will go to the entire list. I 
should thank you as I probably wouldn’t have looked at the settings more 
closely if you hadn’t have asked. I’d given up trying to read the user guides 
in the book app, but I might see what else is available to read now.

> On 10/04/2020, at 04:52, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> After some very helpful offline Email conversation with Petrus Tuerling I 
> have learnt: 
> a) It is no longer possible to export a complete book from the books app on 
> IOS to Voice Dream Reader;
> b) the books app on IOS is much more responsive if you turn off scrolling 
> view. 
> To do this open the book of interest, double tap Appearance, 1 finger flick 
> right to scrolling view and turn it off.
> Many thanks to Petrus for this tip … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[maurice mines]

Hello, I use Microsoft Word for the Mac practically on a daily basis. The ways 
that I’ve made it work for me, is by first going to that ribbon. I stop 
interacting with it then I get to the point where it will show me the text 
that’s currently in the document. I interact with that and I’m able to read the 
document. At least that’s a whole lot better than Microsoft Word to the max 
started out back in 2016. Back then it wasn’t usable for very much other than 
you could create a document but you had to leave it in draft mode. Today’s 
version at least is usable and all of its modes.

When I talk about my experience with Microsoft Word to the math I want to be 
clear that it is the version that is actually on the local machine. Not the web 
version of Microsoft Word which I believe still is virtually inaccessible. And 
when I deal with documents that I  create an word on the Mac and read them in 
the version of the same program and Windows live had very few compatibility 
issues.

For extremely short Word documents, such as the signature file or something of 
that nature. I can even use TextEdit or doubt in terms of reading it. I’m going 
to include my signature file which actually is a Word document just as an 
example. Please note however my signature file is not an endorsement or 
discrediting my position which the file mentions. I did not write the actual 
text of the file. But in order to make it work for me I converted the document 
that was originally in HTML format into a Word document for use as an email 
signature. In addition I use word for the Mac for most of not all of my 
academic work that requires the use of Microsoft Word. And ideas it depending 
on how long the document is for meeting assignments. Yes I think there could be 
many improvements to the Mac product but it is at least functional right now 
and can be used easily.

So here’s the file. Remember this is just for an example. Of a Word document. 
Although I did not write this document, I am responsible for its layout since I 
had to make a few adjustments. Thank you very much in advance for reading this. 
Everyone stay safe and if possible stay where you are. Have other nice day.

Please note, the above text of this email have spent dictated to the computer 
using dictation software. If there are portions of my writing that are not 
understandable and/or have grammatical syntax and/or other errors, those errors 
may be the result of either the software, or the dictation process. If there’s 
something that you truly don’t understand please contact me and I will do my 
very best to clear up any misunderstandings.


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> On Apr 9, 2020, at 13:24, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> How is the issue of accessibility of Tables in Word on mac?  That used to be 
> a major stumbling block as it has been on all the other ones on the Mac 
> platforms apart from Pages.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 7 Apr 2020, at 21:43, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
>> if anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off 
>> Microsoft anymore, I remember that they always did at their events.
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[Eric Brinkman]

I agree with Andrew.  Apple's quality control has been deteriorating
ever since Steve died and it's not just accessibility.  There have
been countless posts on sites like MacWorld documenting bugs that have
been reported for years with no fixes.  However I can't justify
switching to Android because it seems to have quite a few
accessibility issues of its own.

On 4/9/20, joseph hodge  wrote:
> You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave
> no reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care.
>
> I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one
> but every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read
> all punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left
> Apple for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see
> how they are. Hope you find what your looking for.
>
> Joe
>
> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing
>> on accessibility?
>>
>> Later...
>>
>>
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
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>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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>>
>> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries
>>  wrote:
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>> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues &
>> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so
>> disappointed.
>>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>>> Hi!
>>> I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
>>> SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
>>> /A
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

[joseph hodge]

You are free to go to a OS and device that meats your needs then. You gave no 
reasoning to why your fed up or why Apple doesn’t care. 

I find bugs the new text editing boxes where there isn’t edit boxes for one but 
every OS has bugs we have to deal with. Android for one still can’t read all 
punctuation which should be on every screen reader as an option. I left Apple 
for a bit and came back some times we have to evaluate things and see how they 
are. Hope you find what your looking for.

Joe

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:31 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
> accessibility?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & 
> have begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I just updated to iOS 13.4.1.
>> SO far i haven’t notice any bugfixes for Vo.
>> /A
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

What specifically has given you the impression that Apple is not focusing on 
accessibility?

Later...


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On Apr 9, 2020, at 14:29, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 8 Apr 2020, at 08:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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Re: Ios 13.4.1

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

I’m getting fed up with Apple non-responsiveness to accessibility issues & have 
begun the process of going back to Windows. & Jaws.  I’m so disappointed.
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

How is the issue of accessibility of Tables in Word on mac?  That used to be a 
major stumbling block as it has been on all the other ones on the Mac platforms 
apart from Pages.

Andrew
> On 7 Apr 2020, at 21:43, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
> if anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off Microsoft 
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Re: Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Definitely.  Go to System Preferences, Printers & Scanners, select the printer, 
then V-right to the "share this Printer" checkbox and check it.  Basically, 
that's all you need to do although you can go into the Options & Supplies 
section if you wish to modify its name.  As long as your computer is turned on 
an connected to that network, others will be able to print to it through your 
Mac.

Later...


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On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:40, Eric Caron  wrote:

Hi folks,

My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
figure it out. 

I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
another Mac be able to print from the printer. 

Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
somehow through my Mac? 

Any tips appreciated.

Eric Caron 

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Apple Magic Trackpad 2

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   I currently have the previous model. Does the 2 offer any advantages 
over the older model?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Networking my printer, can I go through my Mac?

[Eric Caron]

Hi folks,

My brother laser printer could be networked through my router but I 
would need to access the non accessible touch pad.  My sighted partner gets 
very frustrated with technical things so I can’t rely on a patient helper to 
figure it out. 

I currently have the printer connected  through usb to my Mac.  That is 
fine but I’d like to be able to have other devices such as phones, iPads, and 
another Mac be able to print from the printer. 

Is there a way to have the printer show up for these devices by sharing it 
somehow through my Mac? 

Any tips appreciated.

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Books App on IOS

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
After some very helpful offline Email conversation with Petrus Tuerling I have 
learnt: 
a) It is no longer possible to export a complete book from the books app on IOS 
to Voice Dream Reader;
b) the books app on IOS is much more responsive if you turn off scrolling view. 
To do this open the book of interest, double tap Appearance, 1 finger flick 
right to scrolling view and turn it off.
Many thanks to Petrus for this tip … Paul Hopewell

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Re: Apple care question

[joseph hodge]

You can purchase after I think they give you up to 45 days I believe.

> On Apr 9, 2020, at 12:01 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> I am getting ready to purchase a new iPad Pro. Can I purchase apple care 
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Apple care question

[Greg Wocher]

Hello all,
I am getting ready to purchase a new iPad Pro. Can I purchase apple care after 
or do I have to purchase it with the device?

Greg Wocher

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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[Dave Carlson]

Kawal,
I still have some issues with MS-Word on the Mac, and wonder if you can share 
some of the adjustments you made to help?


Dave Carlson
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I find when using word on the Mac that it is less responsive and it does 
not always respond to commands to move by para etc so I typically still use 
pages but do use word for a couple of things - normally sharing files to one 
drive for collaborative working with peers. Interestingly I find the IPAD 
versions of ms office much better than the desktop versions.

> On 9 Apr 2020, at 11:16, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> I did have to play with the NAV keys And Ihad to turn them off because it 
> wasn’t showing me what I had typed. And I agree it’s okay but it is slightly 
> not as great as what it might be on windows. But a vast improvement
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 10:48 am, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Do you have the problem where arrowing around a document in Word for Mac is 
>> sluggish? This is with quick navigation off.
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:43 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
>>> if anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off 
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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The strange thing is that i have an iPad mini 3 here also along with my Mini 4 
that still keep up a very good work on battery power.
Better than my Ipad mini 4.
/A

> 9 apr. 2020 kl. 08:54 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Yeah 2 or 3 times and updated earlier today to 13.4.1 but still the power 
> drains.
>  
> Might just hit it with my hammer and see what happens.
> Cheers.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings
> Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 2:50 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage
>  
> I’m assuming you’ve done the good old restart of the device?
> Did you update too 13.4.1?
> It’ll be interesting if you find anything.
> 
> 
> On 9/04/2020, at 14:37, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
>  
> Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
> unplugged it about 8:30am,
>  
> It’s now 2:30pm 
> So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on 
> stand by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
> So no use 3 % per hour is the average.
>  
> I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I can 
> figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.
>  
> The phone seems to be fine,
>  
>  
> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  >On Behalf Of joseph hodge
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> Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage
>  
> Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
> having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
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>  
> Hi Lists,
>  
> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
> went off the dial?
>  
> I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
> passed 4 days
>  
> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
> couple of hours,
>  
> I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
> would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Simon!
Have you tried to log out from Icloud on your Ipad?
WHen i did that it stopped draining battery.
Very odd.
/A

> 9 apr. 2020 kl. 08:38 skrev Simon A Fogarty :
> 
> Don’t thank me yet,
>  
> I’m not seeing a big change after going to 13.4.1 this morning,
>  
> But yet my phone is working fine
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage
>  
> Hey Simon,
> Thanks for the heads up, I’ll avoid updating my wife’s iPad for now. Unless 
> 13.4.1  fixes it.
> 
> 
> On 8/04/2020, at 20:56, Simon A Fogarty  > wrote:
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> Hi Lists,
>  
> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
> went off the dial?
>  
> I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
> passed 4 days
>  
> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
> couple of hours,
>  
> I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
> would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have updated to 13.4.1 but doesn’t see anything improving.
But since i just watched Louis Rossman on youth be i get more sceptical about 
the building of the apple products.
He’s an apple  repair tech so i guess he knows what he’s talking about.
/A

> 9 apr. 2020 kl. 04:49 skrev Petrus Tuerlings :
> 
> I’m assuming you’ve done the good old restart of the device?
> Did you update too 13.4.1?
> It’ll be interesting if you find anything.
> 
>> On 9/04/2020, at 14:37, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
>> 
>> Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
>> unplugged it about 8:30am,
>>  
>> It’s now 2:30pm 
>> So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on 
>> stand by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
>> So no use 3 % per hour is the average.
>>  
>> I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I 
>> can figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.
>>  
>> The phone seems to be fine,
>>  
>>  
>> From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> > >On Behalf Of joseph hodge
>> Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 9:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage
>>  
>> Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
>> having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty > > wrote:
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>>  
>> Hi Lists,
>>  
>> Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
>> went off the dial?
>>  
>> I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
>> passed 4 days
>>  
>> And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
>> couple of hours,
>>  
>> I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
>> would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

I did have to play with the NAV keys And Ihad to turn them off because it 
wasn’t showing me what I had typed. And I agree it’s okay but it is slightly 
not as great as what it might be on windows. But a vast improvement

> On 8 Apr 2020, at 10:48 am, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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> Do you have the problem where arrowing around a document in Word for Mac is 
> sluggish? This is with quick navigation off.
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>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:43 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
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RE: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah 2 or 3 times and updated earlier today to 13.4.1 but still the power 
drains.

Might just hit it with my hammer and see what happens.
Cheers.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 2:50 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

I’m assuming you’ve done the good old restart of the device?
Did you update too 13.4.1?
It’ll be interesting if you find anything.


On 9/04/2020, at 14:37, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Well I’ve had the iPad on charge all night and got up this morning then 
unplugged it about 8:30am,

It’s now 2:30pm
So 4 hours just sitting with the bt keyboard closed and iPad therefore on stand 
by, and I’ve already without using it dropped 12% battery power
So no use 3 % per hour is the average.

I’m going to go through the device entirely over the weekend and see if I can 
figure out what’s causing the excessive usage.

The phone seems to be fine,


From:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 9:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: public-beta-us...@groups.io
Subject: Re: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

Seeing the same thing on my mini 5. My iphone is also draining fast but I'm 
having to use teams for work and think that's part of the reason.
Sent from my iPhone



On Apr 8, 2020, at 4:56 AM, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
went off the dial?

I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
couple of hours,

I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
would have sucked the life out of the ipad.
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RE: Installing Zoom on the Mac

[Simon A Fogarty]

Yeah it’s a great little tool

I have another zoom meeting tonight at 7:30
Or should that be zoom party a 60th birthday.

Should be interesting,
At leat no one will have to drive home drunk.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2020 12:35 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Installing Zoom on the Mac

Thanks Simon,
We got it sorted and had our Zoom meeting this morning.


On 8/04/2020, at 18:58, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Petrus,

You / your wife should be able to see an item pop up in the top right corner of 
the screen I think it says allow.

Or under system preferences,
Security / privacy
Under the general tab
Unlock it and click allow.

I’m guessing I’m late in the reply but it should come back to you quickly when 
you try it.

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mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>On 
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 April 2020 11:20 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Installing Zoom on the Mac

Hi all,
We are going to try and install The Zoom App on my wife’s Mac and I know with 
Catalina one needs to verify an app or something like that once it is installed 
as part of the security. How does one do this again. I’m not Overly worried 
about VoiceOver accessibility as my wife doesn’t use it. However we might turn 
on VoiceOver while we are installing it and setting it up so I can help her.
Thanks in advance,
Petrus
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RE: iPad Os 13.4 battery usage

[Simon A Fogarty]

Don’t thank me yet,

I’m not seeing a big change after going to 13.4.1 this morning,

But yet my phone is working fine



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Hey Simon,
Thanks for the heads up, I’ll avoid updating my wife’s iPad for now. Unless 
13.4.1  fixes it.


On 8/04/2020, at 20:56, Simon A Fogarty 
mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Hi Lists,

Did anyone notice when they updated to iPad os 13.4 that it’s battery usage 
went off the dial?

I’ve got an ipad mini 5 that has gone through 2 full battery charges in the 
passed 4 days

And that’s when it’s been sitting on stand by in it’s sleve for all but a 
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I can’t see that the new Brydge .9” Bluetooth keyboard I received on Monday 
would have sucked the life out of the ipad.

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