Re: Focus 40 Braille display

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary,

All this is exactly why I'd like a demo, and that's what I'm getting with the 
QBraille. No commitment to purchase yet. :)
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Good luck with the cube rail. I had one as a demo right after it came out, 
> and the software was bad. It really didn’t work with voiceover, which was a 
> massive problem for me. I understand it is much better now. It’s still just 
> seems kind of clunky, the way you interact with it in terms of changing 
> between the various modes. But that could’ve just been me. You might love it. 
> I just would really prefer qwerty input. I rather like the feel of humanware 
> displays, not the 14, but the older ones. So maybe the mantis will be good. 
> They just came out with some firmware that fixed some of the bugs. But I’m 
> sure there are more. It’s a new device.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:05 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just 
>>> saying that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as 
>>> simple as iOS. That is how I see it at the moment.
>>> 
> On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
 
 Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
 would be a deal breaker for me.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
> 
> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the 
> I Phone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation 
>> for the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille 
>> displays.
>> 
>> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
>> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be 
>> the Focus 40. Two questions:
>> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
>> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
>> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
>> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
>> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
>> but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times 
>> when I do need to jot something down.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Thanks Les. It was a lot of fun. One thing to note on the Mac because were 
using the new standard Apple is having some issues with bluetooth. USBC 
connects fine, but it is something to note incase your hoping to be portable. 
Were hoping for a fix in the next update.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:15 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> You did a great job on the YouTube presentation. I was very impressed with 
> what I heard about the mantis.
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS 
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of joseph hodge 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:33:38 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
> let me know.
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Traci,
>> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
>> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
>> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
>> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
>> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
>> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
>> try to connect a second device and report back.
>> Best Regards,
>>  
>> Les
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  > > On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>  
>> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
>> 
>>  
>> Traci
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
>>> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
>>> the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
>>> on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
>>> you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
>>> think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor 
>>> for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
>>> convention.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
 sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

The main difference between the Q Braille is that your having to connect twice. 
The Mantis you only connect once and you get the bluetooth and Braille Display 
its the beauty of the new hid standard.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 7:07 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
> works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through the 
> braille display section in VoiceOver settings.
> 
> Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> 
> On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
>> Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
>> question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
>> Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
>> standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
>> currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the 
>> Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please 
>> let me know.
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Traci,
>>> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the 
>>> iPhone was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into 
>>> VoiceOver and Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, 
>>> but I do wonder if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to 
>>> connect? The Mantis is a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t 
>>> know if that makes a difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer 
>>> comes, I’ll certainly try to connect a second device and report back.
>>> Best Regards,
>>>  
>>> Les
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  >> > On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>>>  
>>> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>>>  
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Traci
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten >>> > wrote:
  
 Hi Donna,
 I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
 list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has 
 a braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual 
 on the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, 
 info on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. 
 like you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I 
 don’t think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a 
 distributor for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a 
 recent blindness convention.
 
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 
> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's 
> sold by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Joe,

You did a great job on the YouTube presentation. I was very impressed with what 
I heard about the mantis.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of joseph hodge 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 6:33:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.
Best Regards,

Les

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

Traci



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

It sounds like the mantis works the same way. But again, I bet Sheehan on the 
demonstration that I heard. I’ve never seen the unit.

Get Outlook for iOS

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of David Chittenden 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 7:07:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?


The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through the 
braille display section in VoiceOver settings.

Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA

On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler 
mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.
Best Regards,

Les

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

Traci



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[David Chittenden]

The QBraille input also connects through the standard Bluetooth because it 
works as a standard QWERTY keyboard. The braille output connects through 
the braille display section in VoiceOver settings.


Is this similar to the Mantis arrangement?

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA



On 6 August 2020 08:33:43 joseph hodge  wrote:

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the 
Mantis does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the 
standard Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe 
currently were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on 
the Mac but not on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way 
please let me know.



On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Traci,
Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the 
iPhone was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into 
VoiceOver and Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, 
but I do wonder if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to 
connect? The Mantis is a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t 
know if that makes a difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer 
comes, I’ll certainly try to connect a second device and report back.

Best Regards,
 
Les
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 > On Behalf Of Traci Duncan

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
 
Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 

 
Traci
 



On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten > wrote:
 
Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor 
for them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
convention.


Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:


Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.

TIA,
Donna

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Re: Mantis Q40?

[joseph hodge]

Hi my name is Joe and I work at APH in quality assurance. To answer your 
question no the Orbit writer won’t connect the same way. The reason the Mantis 
does and also our Chameleon does is the new hid standard. Thats the standard 
Microsoft apple and others worked on. Its still new and I believe currently 
were the only one supporting this. I believe the Orbit does on the Mac but not 
on the iPhone currently. If I can help in any other way please let me know.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> Hi Traci,
> Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
> was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
> Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder 
> if that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is 
> a keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
> difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly 
> try to connect a second device and report back.
> Best Regards,
>  
> Les
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>   > On Behalf Of Traci Duncan
> Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?
>  
> Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 
> 
>  
> Traci
>  
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi Donna,
>> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
>> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
>> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on 
>> the APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info 
>> on that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like 
>> you, I have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t 
>> think it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for 
>> them said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness 
>> convention.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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RE: Mantis Q40?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Traci,

Thanks for the link to the YouTube video. It was interesting that the iPhone 
was paired with going to Bluetooth settings and not going into VoiceOver and 
Braille settings. I know it’s not documented in the manual, but I do wonder if 
that would allow the Orbit Writer as a keyboard to connect? The Mantis is a 
keyboard, but of course, it’s a Qwerty, so I don’t know if that makes a 
difference. I’m awaiting my unit, so when the Writer comes, I’ll certainly try 
to connect a second device and report back.

Best Regards,

 

Les

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 4:07 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mantis Q40?

 

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk

 

Traci

 





On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten mailto:motte...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


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On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

[Mary Otten]

Hi Donna,
Good luck with the cube rail. I had one as a demo right after it came out, and 
the software was bad. It really didn’t work with voiceover, which was a massive 
problem for me. I understand it is much better now. It’s still just seems kind 
of clunky, the way you interact with it in terms of changing between the 
various modes. But that could’ve just been me. You might love it. I just would 
really prefer qwerty input. I rather like the feel of humanware displays, not 
the 14, but the older ones. So maybe the mantis will be good. They just came 
out with some firmware that fixed some of the bugs. But I’m sure there are 
more. It’s a new device.



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> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:05 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna.
>> 
>> I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just 
>> saying that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as 
>> simple as iOS. That is how I see it at the moment.
>> 
 On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
>>> 
>>> Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
>>> would be a deal breaker for me.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hi Donna.
 
 Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
 
 I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
 Phone.
 
 Kawal.
 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille 
> displays.
> 
> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
> Focus 40. Two questions:
> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
> but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when 
> I do need to jot something down.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Mary, 

I've already signed up for the Mantis email list. I'm not too optimistic about 
it, as I've never been a fan of Humanware, but we'll see.

Happily, it looks like I may be able to arrange a demo of the QBraille. It's on 
the expensive end of things, but I would sure like to see any of these units 
before I buy, and neither APH nor FS has the option of getting a demo.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the 
> APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on 
> that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I 
> have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think 
> it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them 
> said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

Folks interested in the Mantis may like to watch this youTube video by APH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mdZMEGOZqk 


Traci


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing 
> list dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a 
> braille keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the 
> APH mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on 
> that is also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I 
> have heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think 
> it’s even out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them 
> said this thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Ah, got it. Thanks for the clarification.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:38 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just saying 
> that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as simple as 
> iOS. That is how I see it at the moment.
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
>> 
>> Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
>> would be a deal breaker for me.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna.
>>> 
>>> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
>>> 
>>> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
>>> Phone.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
 the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
 
 Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
 choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
 Focus 40. Two questions:
 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
 something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
 limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
 writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
 but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when 
 I do need to jot something down.
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Donna,
I have not use this display, but if you are interested, there is a mailing list 
dedicated to both it and the Chamaeleon, the 20cell variant that has a braille 
keyboard rather than a quirky one. You can also see the manual on the APH 
mantis dedicated page. If you’re interested in the email list, info on that is 
also on the APH page. There is active tech support there. like you, I have 
heard very bad things about the orbit reader Forty, and I don’t think it’s even 
out yet. But one of the folks who has been a distributor for them said this 
thing is not ready for prime time at a recent blindness convention.

Mary


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> TIA,
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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

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Hi Donna.

I never said it was difficult to pair  the  display on a Mac, I’m just saying 
that the commands are very difficult to use i.e. they’re not as simple as iOS. 
That is how I see it at the moment.

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 8:08 pm, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 
> 
> Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That 
> would be a deal breaker for me.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi Donna.
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>> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
>> 
>> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
>> Phone.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
>>> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
>>> 
>>> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
>>> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
>>> Focus 40. Two questions:
>>> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
>>> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
>>> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
>>> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
>>> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad 
>>> but I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I 
>>> do need to jot something down.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

I've heard HORRIBLE things about the Orbit!

The QBraille's the most expensive of all. It's $3100.
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> There is the Orbit reader 40 for around $1400. I’m not sure when it is 
> shipping.
> 
> As a side question, have you read about the qBraille XL?
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
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>> Hi Tracy,
>> 
>> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
>> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
>> 
>> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
>> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
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>>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>>> 
>>> $2500 though, wow! 
>>> 
>>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> 
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 Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
 by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

There is the Orbit reader 40 for around $1400. I’m not sure when it is shipping.

As a side question, have you read about the qBraille XL?

Traci
 

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:18 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Tracy,
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> I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
> qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad
> 
> Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for 
> less. The Focus is actually $500 more.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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>> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
>> 
>> $2500 though, wow! 
>> 
>> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 5, 2020, at 12:10 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold 
>>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Tracy,

I hear you! I've always loved the idea of having a braille display with a 
qwerty keyboard to use with my phone or iPad

Not thrilled about the price, but I don't think you can get 40 cells for less. 
The Focus is actually $500 more.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:14 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs
> 
> $2500 though, wow! 
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> I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 
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> Traci
> 
> 
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>> by APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
>> TIA,
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Re: Mantis Q40?

[Traci Duncan]

This isn't helpful, but doesn’t that display look awesome. *Laughs

$2500 though, wow! 

I love the idea of a qwerty keyboard with braille reading. 

Traci


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Mantis Q40?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Has anyone tried this display with either Mac or IOS? Seems new. It's sold by 
APH, but seems to have some affiliation with Humanware as well.
TIA,
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Re: Latest Nearby Explorer Online

[Jessica Moss]

Thanx for sharing this.  I loved Mobile Geo back in the day, sense it was very 
precise when naming street names, intersections, etc, but I’ve had yet to find 
something that even comes close to that.
  I’ve loved Blindsquare and the like, but found its accuracy to not be as 
good, and would try to point out points of interest to Hannah, when I thought 
we were passing them, and it turned out we either already had, or weren’t as 
close to them as I was lead to believe, so she had no idea what I was talking 
about.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:41 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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> That does sound really great.  Just like Mobile GEO which use to run on a 
> windows phone using Mobile Speak Pocket in the good old days.  It was a code 
> factory product.
> 
> I’ll download it then at some point.
> 
> Thanks for that.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 18:54, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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>> Hello Kawal,
>> You can set up the desired options for automatic announcements when you 
>> start Nearby Explorer Online and you can then turn up the sound volume and 
>> put the iPhone in your pocket. As you walk you will hear the desired 
>> announcements without having to touch your iPhone until you have finished 
>> your walk and you want to exit Nearby Explorer Online. For example I have my 
>> Nearby Explorer Online set to automatically announce street names, heading 
>> bearing, and approaching intersections.  as I walk with the phone in my 
>> pocket I hear announcements like “Kingsway heading North East” and “Lake 
>> Road 40 yards on left” and “Hiltingbury Road 240 yards ahead”. There are a 
>> couple of cases when you might want to take the iPhone out of your pocket. 
>> First if you do not want to keep hearing your compass bearing you can hold 
>> your iPhone upright as if you were going to take a portrait photograph of 
>> what is ahead. The iPhone will vibrate and tell you your current heading. If 
>> you are in a park with open space you can set a watch point at the park 
>> gate. Later on you can hold your iPhone horizontally and rotate it until it 
>> vibrates and tells you how far away the watch point is. Your iPhone is then 
>> pointing at the park gate which will help you find the gate across an open 
>> space. In both these situations you do not need to touch your iPhone screen 
>> and you do not even have to open your iPhone case!
>> I hope this helps.
>> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Kawal. Glad to hear that the scratchpad issue was resolved. 

Do others have the same difficulty pairing your Focus with your Mac? That would 
be a deal breaker for me.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Aug 5, 2020, at 1:53 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna.
> 
> Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.
> 
> I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
> Phone.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
>> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for 
>> the day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
>> 
>> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
>> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
>> Focus 40. Two questions:
>> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
>> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
>> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
>> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of 
>> writing on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad but 
>> I would like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I do 
>> need to jot something down.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: Using Outlook on the Mac

[Jessica Moss]

I’d love this as well, sense I’m finding it a pain in the butt to even navigate 
to my e-mail folders with it.

> On Aug 5, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I’m beginning to use Outlook and am wondering if there is a key command list 
> or a getting-started piece that might be helpful? I began with writing an 
> email and found that when I hit the enter key, I’m not getting a new line, 
> but rather being moved to another part of Outlook. Hoping to get acquainted 
> with calendar and contact, called people, as well.
> 
> Thanks for any guidance. I did use Outlook in Windows, but that was several 
> years ago. I’m trying to switch from Apple mail now to see how it goes.
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Paul
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RE: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[M. Taylor]

Hello Paul,

Thank you for such a comprehensive review.

Question:  The app on my iPhone 8 Plus says Nearby Explorer.  It does not say 
Nearby Explorer, Online.  Do I need to install another app that specifically 
says Nearby Explorer Online?  

Mark

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Subject: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

Hello Mark, 
I have used Lazarillo on IOS for a while and until recently it was my favourite 
GPS App. However I have now switched to the 24 July 2020 version of the free 
GPS App Nearby Explorer Online on IOS. This is better than Lazarillo in several 
ways:

- It does a much better job on approaching intersections. It tells me the 
distance to the next intersection and whether it is on my left or on my right 
or ahead. AS I get near the intersection it counts down the remaining distance.

- It does a better job of quickly announcing the street I am on after turning a 
corner. Lazarillo deduces the street name from the street address of the 
nearest house. My house street address is Kingsway but as I have a corner plot 
my garden is alongside Lake Road. If I turn into Lake Road from Kingsway 
Lazarillo will tell me I am still on Kingsway as the nearest house has a street 
address of Kingsway. It will only tell me I am on Lake Road when I reach the 
first house with a street address of Lake Road.  Nearby Explorer will almost 
immediately announce Lake Road after I have turned into that street.

- Nearby Explorer Online is very customisable about what it automatically 
announces.

- Nearby Explorer has a nice feature to help you traverse open spaces. Have a 
look at my 5 August post on Nearby Explorer on this forum.

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Re: Focus 40 Braille display

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Donna.

Focus works just fine on the Scratch Pad now.  There was a recent update.

I still can’t use Braille on the Mac and have tried.  Works great on the I 
Phone.

Kawal.

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 19:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for the 
> day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.
> 
> Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
> choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the 
> Focus 40. Two questions:
> 1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
> 2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
> something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
> limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of writing 
> on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad but I would 
> like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I do need to 
> jot something down.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Focus 40 Braille display

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

My VU is having what I suspect is a hardware issue, so in preparation for the 
day when it gives up the ghost, I'm again researching braille displays.

Though I'm not enthusiastic about it, it seems like the best second 
choice--given that I lack the $$ for an ActiveBraille--is going to be the Focus 
40. Two questions:
1. Does it pair easily and work well with Mac and IOS?
2. I remember someone mentioning a crazy limitation of the scratch pad, 
something ridiculous like not being able to save files. What are the 
limitations of Scratchpad that people have found? I don't do a lot of writing 
on the display these days, mostly I write on my phone or my iPad but I would 
like the Word processor to be functional for those times when I do need to jot 
something down.
TIA,
Donna

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Re: Latest Nearby Explorer Online

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

That does sound really great.  Just like Mobile GEO which use to run on a 
windows phone using Mobile Speak Pocket in the good old days.  It was a code 
factory product.

I’ll download it then at some point.

Thanks for that.

Kawal.

> On 5 Aug 2020, at 18:54, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello Kawal,
> You can set up the desired options for automatic announcements when you start 
> Nearby Explorer Online and you can then turn up the sound volume and put the 
> iPhone in your pocket. As you walk you will hear the desired announcements 
> without having to touch your iPhone until you have finished your walk and you 
> want to exit Nearby Explorer Online. For example I have my Nearby Explorer 
> Online set to automatically announce street names, heading bearing, and 
> approaching intersections.  as I walk with the phone in my pocket I hear 
> announcements like “Kingsway heading North East” and “Lake Road 40 yards on 
> left” and “Hiltingbury Road 240 yards ahead”. There are a couple of cases 
> when you might want to take the iPhone out of your pocket. First if you do 
> not want to keep hearing your compass bearing you can hold your iPhone 
> upright as if you were going to take a portrait photograph of what is ahead. 
> The iPhone will vibrate and tell you your current heading. If you are in a 
> park with open space you can set a watch point at the park gate. Later on you 
> can hold your iPhone horizontally and rotate it until it vibrates and tells 
> you how far away the watch point is. Your iPhone is then pointing at the park 
> gate which will help you find the gate across an open space. In both these 
> situations you do not need to touch your iPhone screen and you do not even 
> have to open your iPhone case!
> I hope this helps.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Using Outlook on the Mac

[Paul Parravano]

Hello all,

I’m beginning to use Outlook and am wondering if there is a key command list or 
a getting-started piece that might be helpful? I began with writing an email 
and found that when I hit the enter key, I’m not getting a new line, but rather 
being moved to another part of Outlook. Hoping to get acquainted with calendar 
and contact, called people, as well.

Thanks for any guidance. I did use Outlook in Windows, but that was several 
years ago. I’m trying to switch from Apple mail now to see how it goes.

Thanks again,

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Re: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Does this app work in all Countries?
If yes then i might try it.
/A

> 5 aug. 2020 kl. 20:17 skrev Paul Hopewell :
> 
> Hello Mark, 
> I have used Lazarillo on IOS for a while and until recently it was my 
> favourite GPS App. However I have now switched to the 24 July 2020 version of 
> the free GPS App Nearby Explorer Online on IOS. This is better than Lazarillo 
> in several ways:
> 
> - It does a much better job on approaching intersections. It tells me the 
> distance to the next intersection and whether it is on my left or on my right 
> or ahead. AS I get near the intersection it counts down the remaining 
> distance.
> 
> - It does a better job of quickly announcing the street I am on after turning 
> a corner. Lazarillo deduces the street name from the street address of the 
> nearest house. My house street address is Kingsway but as I have a corner 
> plot my garden is alongside Lake Road. If I turn into Lake Road from Kingsway 
> Lazarillo will tell me I am still on Kingsway as the nearest house has a 
> street address of Kingsway. It will only tell me I am on Lake Road when I 
> reach the first house with a street address of Lake Road.  Nearby Explorer 
> will almost immediately announce Lake Road after I have turned into that 
> street.
> 
> - Nearby Explorer Online is very customisable about what it automatically 
> announces.
> 
> - Nearby Explorer has a nice feature to help you traverse open spaces. Have a 
> look at my 5 August post on Nearby Explorer on this forum.
> 
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello Mark, 
I have used Lazarillo on IOS for a while and until recently it was my favourite 
GPS App. However I have now switched to the 24 July 2020 version of the free 
GPS App Nearby Explorer Online on IOS. This is better than Lazarillo in several 
ways:

- It does a much better job on approaching intersections. It tells me the 
distance to the next intersection and whether it is on my left or on my right 
or ahead. AS I get near the intersection it counts down the remaining distance.

- It does a better job of quickly announcing the street I am on after turning a 
corner. Lazarillo deduces the street name from the street address of the 
nearest house. My house street address is Kingsway but as I have a corner plot 
my garden is alongside Lake Road. If I turn into Lake Road from Kingsway 
Lazarillo will tell me I am still on Kingsway as the nearest house has a street 
address of Kingsway. It will only tell me I am on Lake Road when I reach the 
first house with a street address of Lake Road.  Nearby Explorer will almost 
immediately announce Lake Road after I have turned into that street.

- Nearby Explorer Online is very customisable about what it automatically 
announces.

- Nearby Explorer has a nice feature to help you traverse open spaces. Have a 
look at my 5 August post on Nearby Explorer on this forum.

Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

Is there a way to block a sender in Mail other than creating a rule? Still 
running High Sierra.
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Re: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The only flaw i have found is that i can not get the voice changed.
I don’t hear any difference.
I have tried to change from Swedish Alva to Swedish Klara but no go.
But the gps app otherwise works like a charm.
/A

> 5 aug. 2020 kl. 19:58 skrev Vaughn Brown :
> 
> Thank you. It is very nice, indeed.
> 
> On 8/5/20, Shirley Healy  wrote:
>> Thanks for the app recommendation. I just downloaded this app.
>> It will come in handy I'd say.
>> shirley
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "M. Taylor" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:21 PM
>> Subject: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation
>> Solution
>> 
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Last week I was searching for a free GPS navigation solution for my new
>>> Galaxy S10 Plus.
>>> 
>>> One requirement was that the app must be able to automatically announce
>>> cross streets without having a specific destination designated.
>>> 
>>> In iOS I use both Seeing Eye GPS XT (my preferred solution) and Nearby
>>> Explorer when I want automatic cross street announcements.
>>> 
>>> Although Google maps is extremely useful in the latest version of
>>> Android,
>>> it does not offer the automatic cross street announcement feature as
>>> described above.  As yet, I have never used Google Maps for iOS.
>>> 
>>> Someone on an Android list suggested that I download Lazarillo for
>>> Android.
>>> It was exactly what I needed and worked marvelously well.  I was so
>>> surprised that a free solution existed.
>>> 
>>> This morning, I learned that Lazarillo can also be downloaded from the
>>> Apple
>>> App Store.
>>> 
>>> So, I am posting the Lazarillo for iOS information below.  As yet, I have
>>> not yet taken the iOS / iPad OS version out for a test spin, so to speak,
>>> 
>>> so
>>> any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Lazarillo - Accessible GPS for blind and low vision
>>> 
>>> Developer:  Rene Espinoza
>>> 
>>> Free
>>> 
>>> LazarilloApp the GPS for people who are blind or have low vision, lets
>>> you
>>> explore the world around you and set up routes.
>>> 
>>> Lazarillo is a specialized GPS app that brings mobility tools for people
>>> who
>>> are blind. Using audio messages, Lazarillo will tell you about nearby
>>> places,
>>> 
>>> the street you are walking on, street intersections in your way and more!
>>> Like a radio, Lazarillo will announce the things around you while you are
>>> moving.
>>> 
>>> This app was designed and implemented with active feedback from people
>>> who
>>> are blind.
>>> 
>>> The GPS resource is used even if the App is in the background. This
>>> allows
>>> the user to keep using the app without active usage of the screen, so
>>> they
>>> can
>>> 
>>> still enjoy the features of Lazarillo even when their phone is in their
>>> pocket or when using other relevant apps.
>>> 
>>> Note : "Continued use of GPS running in the background can dramatically
>>> decrease battery life."
>>> 
>>> This app allows you to use its accessibility functions for free, just
>>> requires mobile data or a Wi-Fi connection.
>>> 
>>> To collaborate with people who are blind, Lazarillo's main feature is to
>>> become the user's companion, providing essential information that allows
>>> displacement and autonomy.
>>> 
>>> The goal is to help the person reach the chosen place in a simple way,
>>> receiving Lazarillo indications by voice and notifications of nearby
>>> places,
>>> institutions,
>>> 
>>> shops, etc, allowing communication between the user and the city.
>>> 
>>> The app contains the following features:
>>> 
>>> Exploration: Provides your actual position, nearby places, and street
>>> intersections while you are walking on the street, in a bus or by car.
>>> 
>>> Category searches: Allows to find nearby places from a specific category
>>> such as banks, health, food, shop, art, entertainment, etc.
>>> 
>>> Specific searches: Allows to find a route to any place using voice or
>>> keyboard.
>>> 
>>> Help information:
>>> 
>>> Lazarillo provides information about establishments that work with blind
>>> or
>>> visually impaired people. The app is linked to a web platform where the
>>> institutions
>>> 
>>> are able to show important information about events, courses, workshops,
>>> and
>>> any data that a blind person may need. In that way Lazarillo collaborates
>>> 
>>> with these institutions improving the communication among users,
>>> providing
>>> better connectivity between people with visual disabilities.
>>> 
>>> For suggestions and doubts you can visit our web site at:
>>> www.lazarillo.cl
>>> 
>>> or send us an e-mail to:
>>> conta...@lazarillo.cl
>>> 
>>> US App Store URL:
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lazarilloapp/id1139331874
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[Vaughn Brown]

Thank you. It is very nice, indeed.

On 8/5/20, Shirley Healy  wrote:
> Thanks for the app recommendation. I just downloaded this app.
> It will come in handy I'd say.
> shirley
> - Original Message -
> From: "M. Taylor" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:21 PM
> Subject: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation
> Solution
>
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Last week I was searching for a free GPS navigation solution for my new
>> Galaxy S10 Plus.
>>
>> One requirement was that the app must be able to automatically announce
>> cross streets without having a specific destination designated.
>>
>> In iOS I use both Seeing Eye GPS XT (my preferred solution) and Nearby
>> Explorer when I want automatic cross street announcements.
>>
>> Although Google maps is extremely useful in the latest version of
>> Android,
>> it does not offer the automatic cross street announcement feature as
>> described above.  As yet, I have never used Google Maps for iOS.
>>
>> Someone on an Android list suggested that I download Lazarillo for
>> Android.
>> It was exactly what I needed and worked marvelously well.  I was so
>> surprised that a free solution existed.
>>
>> This morning, I learned that Lazarillo can also be downloaded from the
>> Apple
>> App Store.
>>
>> So, I am posting the Lazarillo for iOS information below.  As yet, I have
>> not yet taken the iOS / iPad OS version out for a test spin, so to speak,
>>
>> so
>> any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> Lazarillo - Accessible GPS for blind and low vision
>>
>> Developer:  Rene Espinoza
>>
>> Free
>>
>> LazarilloApp the GPS for people who are blind or have low vision, lets
>> you
>> explore the world around you and set up routes.
>>
>> Lazarillo is a specialized GPS app that brings mobility tools for people
>> who
>> are blind. Using audio messages, Lazarillo will tell you about nearby
>> places,
>>
>> the street you are walking on, street intersections in your way and more!
>> Like a radio, Lazarillo will announce the things around you while you are
>> moving.
>>
>> This app was designed and implemented with active feedback from people
>> who
>> are blind.
>>
>> The GPS resource is used even if the App is in the background. This
>> allows
>> the user to keep using the app without active usage of the screen, so
>> they
>> can
>>
>> still enjoy the features of Lazarillo even when their phone is in their
>> pocket or when using other relevant apps.
>>
>> Note : "Continued use of GPS running in the background can dramatically
>> decrease battery life."
>>
>> This app allows you to use its accessibility functions for free, just
>> requires mobile data or a Wi-Fi connection.
>>
>> To collaborate with people who are blind, Lazarillo's main feature is to
>> become the user's companion, providing essential information that allows
>> displacement and autonomy.
>>
>> The goal is to help the person reach the chosen place in a simple way,
>> receiving Lazarillo indications by voice and notifications of nearby
>> places,
>> institutions,
>>
>> shops, etc, allowing communication between the user and the city.
>>
>> The app contains the following features:
>>
>> Exploration: Provides your actual position, nearby places, and street
>> intersections while you are walking on the street, in a bus or by car.
>>
>> Category searches: Allows to find nearby places from a specific category
>> such as banks, health, food, shop, art, entertainment, etc.
>>
>> Specific searches: Allows to find a route to any place using voice or
>> keyboard.
>>
>> Help information:
>>
>> Lazarillo provides information about establishments that work with blind
>> or
>> visually impaired people. The app is linked to a web platform where the
>> institutions
>>
>> are able to show important information about events, courses, workshops,
>> and
>> any data that a blind person may need. In that way Lazarillo collaborates
>>
>> with these institutions improving the communication among users,
>> providing
>> better connectivity between people with visual disabilities.
>>
>> For suggestions and doubts you can visit our web site at:
>> www.lazarillo.cl
>>
>> or send us an e-mail to:
>> conta...@lazarillo.cl
>>
>> US App Store URL:
>> https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lazarilloapp/id1139331874
>>
>>
>>
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Latest Nearby Explorer Online

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello Kawal,
You can set up the desired options for automatic announcements when you start 
Nearby Explorer Online and you can then turn up the sound volume and put the 
iPhone in your pocket. As you walk you will hear the desired announcements 
without having to touch your iPhone until you have finished your walk and you 
want to exit Nearby Explorer Online. For example I have my Nearby Explorer 
Online set to automatically announce street names, heading bearing, and 
approaching intersections.  as I walk with the phone in my pocket I hear 
announcements like “Kingsway heading North East” and “Lake Road 40 yards on 
left” and “Hiltingbury Road 240 yards ahead”. There are a couple of cases when 
you might want to take the iPhone out of your pocket. First if you do not want 
to keep hearing your compass bearing you can hold your iPhone upright as if you 
were going to take a portrait photograph of what is ahead. The iPhone will 
vibrate and tell you your current heading. If you are in a park with open space 
you can set a watch point at the park gate. Later on you can hold your iPhone 
horizontally and rotate it until it vibrates and tells you how far away the 
watch point is. Your iPhone is then pointing at the park gate which will help 
you find the gate across an open space. In both these situations you do not 
need to touch your iPhone screen and you do not even have to open your iPhone 
case!
I hope this helps.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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[Nebojsa Tasic]

Hello List!
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Re: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution

[Shirley Healy]

Thanks for the app recommendation. I just downloaded this app.
It will come in handy I'd say.
shirley
- Original Message - 
From: "M. Taylor" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:21 PM
Subject: Lazarillo: A Very Excellent Free Accessible GPS Navigation Solution



Hello Everyone,

Last week I was searching for a free GPS navigation solution for my new
Galaxy S10 Plus.

One requirement was that the app must be able to automatically announce
cross streets without having a specific destination designated.

In iOS I use both Seeing Eye GPS XT (my preferred solution) and Nearby
Explorer when I want automatic cross street announcements.

Although Google maps is extremely useful in the latest version of Android,
it does not offer the automatic cross street announcement feature as
described above.  As yet, I have never used Google Maps for iOS.

Someone on an Android list suggested that I download Lazarillo for 
Android.

It was exactly what I needed and worked marvelously well.  I was so
surprised that a free solution existed.

This morning, I learned that Lazarillo can also be downloaded from the 
Apple

App Store.

So, I am posting the Lazarillo for iOS information below.  As yet, I have
not yet taken the iOS / iPad OS version out for a test spin, so to speak, 
so

any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Enjoy,

Mark

Lazarillo - Accessible GPS for blind and low vision

Developer:  Rene Espinoza

Free

LazarilloApp the GPS for people who are blind or have low vision, lets you
explore the world around you and set up routes.

Lazarillo is a specialized GPS app that brings mobility tools for people 
who

are blind. Using audio messages, Lazarillo will tell you about nearby
places,

the street you are walking on, street intersections in your way and more!
Like a radio, Lazarillo will announce the things around you while you are
moving.

This app was designed and implemented with active feedback from people who
are blind.

The GPS resource is used even if the App is in the background. This allows
the user to keep using the app without active usage of the screen, so they
can

still enjoy the features of Lazarillo even when their phone is in their
pocket or when using other relevant apps.

Note : "Continued use of GPS running in the background can dramatically
decrease battery life."

This app allows you to use its accessibility functions for free, just
requires mobile data or a Wi-Fi connection.

To collaborate with people who are blind, Lazarillo's main feature is to
become the user's companion, providing essential information that allows
displacement and autonomy.

The goal is to help the person reach the chosen place in a simple way,
receiving Lazarillo indications by voice and notifications of nearby 
places,

institutions,

shops, etc, allowing communication between the user and the city.

The app contains the following features:

Exploration: Provides your actual position, nearby places, and street
intersections while you are walking on the street, in a bus or by car.

Category searches: Allows to find nearby places from a specific category
such as banks, health, food, shop, art, entertainment, etc.

Specific searches: Allows to find a route to any place using voice or
keyboard.

Help information:

Lazarillo provides information about establishments that work with blind 
or

visually impaired people. The app is linked to a web platform where the
institutions

are able to show important information about events, courses, workshops, 
and

any data that a blind person may need. In that way Lazarillo collaborates

with these institutions improving the communication among users, providing
better connectivity between people with visual disabilities.

For suggestions and doubts you can visit our web site at:
www.lazarillo.cl

or send us an e-mail to:
conta...@lazarillo.cl

US App Store URL:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/lazarilloapp/id1139331874



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