Concept of Start-Stop Interacting?

[Fazil]

Hi. Group.

I am new to Mac and am having hard time grasping the concept of start-stop
interacting.

I'd appreciate if someone could explain this concept to me in layman's
terms.

Thanks!

 

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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Fazil. Do you have the Amazon A L E X A app on your phone? If so, find your 
device in the app and select bluetooth. Once there, have the app start scanning 
for Bluetooth devices. Next, on your Mac launch system preferences and select 
the bluetooth preference pain. VO Right Arrow until you see a table. This 
should have all your Bluetooth capable devices so interact with the table and 
look for your Echo. If you're running Big Sur, activate the actions menu by 
pressing VO+Command+Spacebar and select pair. And if you have any other 
questions about your Mac or Echo, I have groups in Whatsapp that you can join. 
Info is in my signature.

Regards,
Shawn,
Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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> On Dec 8, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Jessica Moss
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
> To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
> 
> I’ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low that 
> I practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in order to 
> hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, and/know what the 
> cause is for it?
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
>> 
>> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up there.
>> 
>> Traci
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
>>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?   
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>>> 
>>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
>>> 
>>> *Claps hands with excitement!
>>> 
>>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
>>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;) 
>>> 
>>> Traci
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Muhammad Fayed]

Regarding the Touch Bar, mentioned earlier in the conversation 

1. On windows, with NVDA, you can Toggl keyboard help (or whatever its name) 
that tells what’s under your finger. I use it with NVDA + 1, and search for 
volume up (for example), then Toggle it back off, and press the volume up.

To make things faster, I try where are these buttons relative to numbers. It 
works for me because I depend mainly no F.J keys to know where am I on the 
keyboard.

2. There are no design changes in current version of M1 Macs (just to 
illustrate clearly the difference between Intel and Apple Silicon).

3. Could you please explain why it is hated? It’s better for me because I don’t 
need to remember which button does what on specific application or when we 
press/ not press function key. 

May be because it is slower in performing basic tasks like increasing volume, 
play/pause music, adjust brightness, ….etc???

And thank you again Joseph for the review. 

HTH,

Regards,

Mohamed E. Fayed

> On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe,
> 
> What do you mean by side loading? How does one do that?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:59 PM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just side loaded Bard Mobile and it works listened to 3 chapters in a 
>> book. This is cool previously I was using Airfoil and airfoil satellite to 
>> broadcast to my Mac from my iPhone. It could be the fact I had my iPhone 
>> connected to my Mac but battery has dropped a little quicker today my 
>> assumption being that maybe because I'm running apps not optimized for the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> I did try a Blind Fold game and it behaved poorly. I think do to gestures 
>> not caring over between the two Voiceovers could be a reason. For some 
>> reason I wasn’t able to choose a different voice from the default and 
>> couldn’t speed them up. Once playing the game voices started sounding 
>> strange. I believed this is do to Mac system voices maybe. It wasn’t. A good 
>> experience. 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Wow!
>>> That’s interesting.
>>> I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac.
>>> /A
>>> 
 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn >>> >:
 
 John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook 
 Pro, he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome 
 tabs open, and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this 
 that he contacted others with review products to make sure his system did 
 not have a broker heat sensor. 
 His pod cast discussing is at:
 The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring 
 Fireballdaringfireball.net › linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… 
 
 
 Or in text form at:
 https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness 
 
 (Don't blame me for the titles that John uses)
 Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy  while testing 
 his M1 machine with for Vision Australia.
 
 In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile your 
 own version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro is not 
 noticeable.  One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports are 
 equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple $8000 
 display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air.
 
Best wishes,
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have 
> since wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so 
> that would give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may 
>> not affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you 
>> the extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided 
>> ultimently to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I 
>> can work around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do 
>> that anyway lol. Probably the air would work for me but I still have 
>> really bad reservations due to the fact that the air used to give me 
>> busy busy and get so 

Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Joe,

What do you mean by side loading? How does one do that?
TIA,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:59 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> I just side loaded Bard Mobile and it works listened to 3 chapters in a book. 
> This is cool previously I was using Airfoil and airfoil satellite to 
> broadcast to my Mac from my iPhone. It could be the fact I had my iPhone 
> connected to my Mac but battery has dropped a little quicker today my 
> assumption being that maybe because I'm running apps not optimized for the 
> Mac.
> 
> I did try a Blind Fold game and it behaved poorly. I think do to gestures not 
> caring over between the two Voiceovers could be a reason. For some reason I 
> wasn’t able to choose a different voice from the default and couldn’t speed 
> them up. Once playing the game voices started sounding strange. I believed 
> this is do to Mac system voices maybe. It wasn’t. A good experience. 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Wow!
>> That’s interesting.
>> I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn >> >:
>>> 
>>> John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook Pro, 
>>> he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome tabs 
>>> open, and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this that he 
>>> contacted others with review products to make sure his system did not have 
>>> a broker heat sensor. 
>>> His pod cast discussing is at:
>>> The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring 
>>> Fireballdaringfireball.net › linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Or in text form at:
>>> https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness 
>>> 
>>> (Don't blame me for the titles that John uses)
>>> Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy  while testing his 
>>> M1 machine with for Vision Australia.
>>> 
>>> In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile your 
>>> own version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro is not 
>>> noticeable.  One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports are 
>>> equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple $8000 
>>> display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have since 
 wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so that would 
 give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
> 
> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may 
> not affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you 
> the extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided 
> ultimently to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I 
> can work around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do 
> that anyway lol. Probably the air would work for me but I still have 
> really bad reservations due to the fact that the air used to give me busy 
> busy and get so hot LOL. If you decide to get one let me know what you 
> decide it's pretty cool the battery life is unbelievable!
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they 
>> put a fan in one and not the other.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air 
>>> and M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, 
>>> is that the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air 
>>> does not.
>>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when 
>>> doing processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern 
>>> depending on how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The new MacBook Pro still has 

Re: help with mac mail

[Dave Carlson]

Jonathan,
I do not have it set to classic view.

Dave Carlson
Farfar, Engineer, Oregonian, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Dec 8, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

I have this hidden on my Mojabi work Macintosh. One thing to check, do you have 
Mail in the classic view. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 7, 2020, at 15:12, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> I was interested in doing what you did — completely hide the preview window, 
> etc. However I do not find any place in the preferences to select side view 
> or bottom view. I have the vertical divider already and there is a few area 
> that I never use.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> Vertical and horizontal Splitters divide areas, or “panes” in the Mail app 
> window.  When you interact with a splitter, you can adjust the position of 
> the splitter, and the size of certain panes in the application window.  What 
> you did was discover the splitter that separates the Mailbox list from the 
> Mailbox items list.  In the future, you can quickly show or hide the Mailbox 
> list using the keyboard command, CMD + Shift + M.
> 
> Another splitter you may want to adjust, is the horizontal splitter you find 
> when you VO + RightArrow, when in the Mailbox items list.  This splitter 
> adjust the size of the Mailbox items list, and the Mail preview area that may 
> be located below the Mailbox items list.  If you are using Side Preview mode, 
> than you will find a vertical splitter when you VO + RightArrow from the 
> Mailbox items list, which can be adjusted in the same manner.
> 
> In the Mail app on my Mac, I have turned off Side Preview mode, and have 
> adjusted the horizontal splitter below the Mailbox items list to 100%, which 
> collapses the Mail preview pane completely, because I prefer to view mail 
> messages in their own window by pressing enter on a mail item in the Mailbox 
> items list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 12:31, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
> morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
> instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
> folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid 
> of messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to 
> jump between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed 
> voiceover saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to 
> interact with this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I 
> interacted with it and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought 
> for a second what does this do I stopped interacting. the little that I 
> changed the vertical splitter now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in 
> view just  As I wanted. All of this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable 
> along with other mail folders just by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
> Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try 
> things and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to 
> know for other people who are having problems and want to be able to have 
> access and view their junk folder.
> I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
> Again thank you for everything
> 
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
>> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
>> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
>> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
>> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like 
>> use a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
>> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, 
>> then I don't have any suggestions for you.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>>> get the big sir update.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions

Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Jonathan Cohn]

There are hacks out already to run Windows Insider on the M1 Macintosh 
computers. I highly doubt they would work with JAWS or NVDA though, and reports 
I have read do say that memory can run out and cause performance issues when 
running this.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:16, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may not 
> affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you the extra 
> core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided ultimently to go 
> with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I can work around it. 
> It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do that anyway lol. 
> Probably the air would work for me but I still have really bad reservations 
> due to the fact that the air used to give me busy busy and get so hot LOL. If 
> you decide to get one let me know what you decide it's pretty cool the 
> battery life is unbelievable!
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put a 
>> fan in one and not the other.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and 
>>> M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that 
>>> the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
>>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
>>> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on 
>>> how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
>>> the MacBook Air.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
 whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work 
 device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how 
 iPad apps work on the Mac
 
 One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If 
 I upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
> 
> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my 
> MacBook Pro M1.
> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still 
> at 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video 
> on YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
>  
> 
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Re: help with mac mail

[Jonathan Cohn]

I have this hidden on my Mojabi work Macintosh. One thing to check, do you have 
Mail in the classic view. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 7, 2020, at 15:12, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Brad,
> I was interested in doing what you did — completely hide the preview window, 
> etc. However I do not find any place in the preferences to select side view 
> or bottom view. I have the vertical divider already and there is a few area 
> that I never use.
> 
> 
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 11:51 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Hi Zoe,
> 
> Vertical and horizontal Splitters divide areas, or “panes” in the Mail app 
> window.  When you interact with a splitter, you can adjust the position of 
> the splitter, and the size of certain panes in the application window.  What 
> you did was discover the splitter that separates the Mailbox list from the 
> Mailbox items list.  In the future, you can quickly show or hide the Mailbox 
> list using the keyboard command, CMD + Shift + M.
> 
> Another splitter you may want to adjust, is the horizontal splitter you find 
> when you VO + RightArrow, when in the Mailbox items list.  This splitter 
> adjust the size of the Mailbox items list, and the Mail preview area that may 
> be located below the Mailbox items list.  If you are using Side Preview mode, 
> than you will find a vertical splitter when you VO + RightArrow from the 
> Mailbox items list, which can be adjusted in the same manner.
> 
> In the Mail app on my Mac, I have turned off Side Preview mode, and have 
> adjusted the horizontal splitter below the Mailbox items list to 100%, which 
> collapses the Mail preview pane completely, because I prefer to view mail 
> messages in their own window by pressing enter on a mail item in the Mailbox 
> items list.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 7, 2020, at 12:31, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
> morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
> instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
> folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid 
> of messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to 
> jump between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed 
> voiceover saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to 
> interact with this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I 
> interacted with it and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought 
> for a second what does this do I stopped interacting. the little that I 
> changed the vertical splitter now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in 
> view just  As I wanted. All of this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable 
> along with other mail folders just by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
> Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try 
> things and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to 
> know for other people who are having problems and want to be able to have 
> access and view their junk folder.
> I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
> Again thank you for everything
> 
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
>> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
>> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
>> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
>> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like 
>> use a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
>> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, 
>> then I don't have any suggestions for you.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>>> get the big sir update.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2020, at 9:45 

RE: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

[Fazil]

Can I connect Mac to Alexa? If yes, how can that be done, please?
Thanks!


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Jessica Moss
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 6:35 AM
To: 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

I’ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low that I 
practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in order to 
hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, and/know what the 
cause is for it?

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
> 
> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up there.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?   
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>> 
>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
>> 
>> *Claps hands with excitement!
>> 
>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;) 
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[joseph hodge]

I just side loaded Bard Mobile and it works listened to 3 chapters in a book. 
This is cool previously I was using Airfoil and airfoil satellite to broadcast 
to my Mac from my iPhone. It could be the fact I had my iPhone connected to my 
Mac but battery has dropped a little quicker today my assumption being that 
maybe because I'm running apps not optimized for the Mac.

I did try a Blind Fold game and it behaved poorly. I think do to gestures not 
caring over between the two Voiceovers could be a reason. For some reason I 
wasn’t able to choose a different voice from the default and couldn’t speed 
them up. Once playing the game voices started sounding strange. I believed this 
is do to Mac system voices maybe. It wasn’t. A good experience. 

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Wow!
> That’s interesting.
> I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac.
> /A
> 
>> 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn > >:
>> 
>> John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook Pro, 
>> he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome tabs open, 
>> and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this that he 
>> contacted others with review products to make sure his system did not have a 
>> broker heat sensor. 
>> His pod cast discussing is at:
>> The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring 
>> Fireballdaringfireball.net › linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… 
>> 
>> 
>> Or in text form at:
>> https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness 
>> 
>> (Don't blame me for the titles that John uses)
>> Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy  while testing his 
>> M1 machine with for Vision Australia.
>> 
>> In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile your 
>> own version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro is not 
>> noticeable.  One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports are 
>> equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple $8000 
>> display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have since 
>>> wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so that would 
>>> give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
 The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may 
 not affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you 
 the extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided 
 ultimently to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I 
 can work around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do 
 that anyway lol. Probably the air would work for me but I still have 
 really bad reservations due to the fact that the air used to give me busy 
 busy and get so hot LOL. If you decide to get one let me know what you 
 decide it's pretty cool the battery life is unbelievable!
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put 
> a fan in one and not the other.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air 
>> and M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, 
>> is that the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air 
>> does not.
>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
>> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending 
>> on how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it 
>> is the MacBook Air.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice video, Joe. 

Re: F-key Alternative on TouchBar Macs

[Brad Snyder]

Not exactly, but I used to teach this stuff, so knowing keyboard commands was 
essential.

- Brad -


On Dec 8, 2020, at 13:34, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Brad, you amaze me. sometimes i wonder if you just spend your days memorizing 
every possible key combination on the Mac keyboard. :)

Thanks for these. The inability to quickly raise and lower system volume has 
been one of the things that bugged me most about not having function keys.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I’m sure you also know that you can raise and lower the system volume using 
> VO + NumberRow minus/equal.  (These are the 2 keys located immediately to the 
> left of the Backspace/Delete key.
> 
> Did you know:  Holding down the Fn key, will cause the Backspace/Delete key 
> to perform as a Forward Delete key.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 13:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but not the FN-Tab.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> For those using a MacBook Pro with TouchBar, VoiceOver commands that utilize 
>> the F-keys, can be initiated by pressing the FN key, along with the VO 
>> modifier and NumberRow keys.
>> For example, Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, can be used to open the VoiceOver 
>> Utility.  Fn + VO + NumberRow 1 twice, can be used to open the Application 
>> Chooser menu, and Fn + VO + NumberRow 2 twice, will open the Window Chooser 
>> menu.
>> 
>> Here is a bonus:  since the pre-2020 TouchBar MacBook Pros do not have a 
>> physical Escape key, an alternative is to press the Fn key along with the 
>> Tab key, which will act as a physical Escape key.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:01, Fazil > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
>> My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch 
>> strip, do we have any alternate for F8?
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>>  
>> Fazil,
>>  
>> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
>> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
>> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit 
>> button.  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your 
>> voice.  You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for 
>> the item which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now 
>> as you move through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You 
>> need to choose the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This 
>> should help you.  You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to 
>> save the changes.
>>  
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: F-key Alternative on TouchBar Macs

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Brad, you amaze me. sometimes i wonder if you just spend your days memorizing 
every possible key combination on the Mac keyboard. :)

Thanks for these. The inability to quickly raise and lower system volume has 
been one of the things that bugged me most about not having function keys.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I’m sure you also know that you can raise and lower the system volume using 
> VO + NumberRow minus/equal.  (These are the 2 keys located immediately to the 
> left of the Backspace/Delete key.
> 
> Did you know:  Holding down the Fn key, will cause the Backspace/Delete key 
> to perform as a Forward Delete key.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 13:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but not the FN-Tab.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> For those using a MacBook Pro with TouchBar, VoiceOver commands that utilize 
>> the F-keys, can be initiated by pressing the FN key, along with the VO 
>> modifier and NumberRow keys.
>> For example, Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, can be used to open the VoiceOver 
>> Utility.  Fn + VO + NumberRow 1 twice, can be used to open the Application 
>> Chooser menu, and Fn + VO + NumberRow 2 twice, will open the Window Chooser 
>> menu.
>> 
>> Here is a bonus:  since the pre-2020 TouchBar MacBook Pros do not have a 
>> physical Escape key, an alternative is to press the Fn key along with the 
>> Tab key, which will act as a physical Escape key.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:01, Fazil > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
>> My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch 
>> strip, do we have any alternate for F8?
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries > > 
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
>> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > >
>> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>>  
>> Fazil,
>>  
>> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
>> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
>> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit 
>> button.  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your 
>> voice.  You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for 
>> the item which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now 
>> as you move through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You 
>> need to choose the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This 
>> should help you.  You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to 
>> save the changes.
>>  
>> Andrew
>>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil >> > wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi, Group.
>>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
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Re: F-key Alternative on TouchBar Macs

[Brad Snyder]

I’m sure you also know that you can raise and lower the system volume using VO 
+ NumberRow minus/equal.  (These are the 2 keys located immediately to the left 
of the Backspace/Delete key.

Did you know:  Holding down the Fn key, will cause the Backspace/Delete key to 
perform as a Forward Delete key.


- Brad -


On Dec 8, 2020, at 13:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but not the FN-Tab.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> For those using a MacBook Pro with TouchBar, VoiceOver commands that utilize 
> the F-keys, can be initiated by pressing the FN key, along with the VO 
> modifier and NumberRow keys.
> For example, Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, can be used to open the VoiceOver 
> Utility.  Fn + VO + NumberRow 1 twice, can be used to open the Application 
> Chooser menu, and Fn + VO + NumberRow 2 twice, will open the Window Chooser 
> menu.
> 
> Here is a bonus:  since the pre-2020 TouchBar MacBook Pros do not have a 
> physical Escape key, an alternative is to press the Fn key along with the Tab 
> key, which will act as a physical Escape key.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:01, Fazil  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
> My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch 
> strip, do we have any alternate for F8?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>  
> Fazil,
>  
> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button. 
>  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  
> You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item 
> which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move 
> through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose 
> the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  
> You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
>  
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>> Thanks!
>>  
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Re: F-key Alternative on TouchBar Macs

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Brad. I knew about the number keys, but not the FN-Tab.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> For those using a MacBook Pro with TouchBar, VoiceOver commands that utilize 
> the F-keys, can be initiated by pressing the FN key, along with the VO 
> modifier and NumberRow keys.
> For example, Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, can be used to open the VoiceOver 
> Utility.  Fn + VO + NumberRow 1 twice, can be used to open the Application 
> Chooser menu, and Fn + VO + NumberRow 2 twice, will open the Window Chooser 
> menu.
> 
> Here is a bonus:  since the pre-2020 TouchBar MacBook Pros do not have a 
> physical Escape key, an alternative is to press the Fn key along with the Tab 
> key, which will act as a physical Escape key.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:01, Fazil  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
> My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch 
> strip, do we have any alternate for F8?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>  
> Fazil,
>  
> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button. 
>  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  
> You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item 
> which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move 
> through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose 
> the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  
> You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
>  
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Wow!
That’s interesting.
I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac.
/A

> 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn :
> 
> John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook Pro, 
> he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome tabs open, 
> and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this that he contacted 
> others with review products to make sure his system did not have a broker 
> heat sensor. 
> His pod cast discussing is at:
> The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring Fireballdaringfireball.net 
> › linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… 
> 
> 
> Or in text form at:
> https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness 
> 
> (Don't blame me for the titles that John uses)
> Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy  while testing his 
> M1 machine with for Vision Australia.
> 
> In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile your 
> own version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro is not 
> noticeable.  One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports are 
> equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple $8000 
> display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have since 
>> wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so that would 
>> give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may 
>>> not affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you the 
>>> extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided ultimently 
>>> to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I can work 
>>> around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do that anyway 
>>> lol. Probably the air would work for me but I still have really bad 
>>> reservations due to the fact that the air used to give me busy busy and get 
>>> so hot LOL. If you decide to get one let me know what you decide it's 
>>> pretty cool the battery life is unbelievable!
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put 
 a fan in one and not the other.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and 
> M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is 
> that the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does 
> not.
> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on 
> how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it 
> is the MacBook Air.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
>> whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a 
>> work device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on 
>> how iPad apps work on the Mac
>> 
>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? 
>> If I upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my 
>>> MacBook Pro M1.
>>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's 
>>> still at 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's 
>>> a video on YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
>>> 

F-key Alternative on TouchBar Macs

[Brad Snyder]

For those using a MacBook Pro with TouchBar, VoiceOver commands that utilize 
the F-keys, can be initiated by pressing the FN key, along with the VO modifier 
and NumberRow keys.
For example, Fn + VO + NumberRow 8, can be used to open the VoiceOver Utility.  
Fn + VO + NumberRow 1 twice, can be used to open the Application Chooser menu, 
and Fn + VO + NumberRow 2 twice, will open the Window Chooser menu.

Here is a bonus:  since the pre-2020 TouchBar MacBook Pros do not have a 
physical Escape key, an alternative is to press the Fn key along with the Tab 
key, which will act as a physical Escape key.

HTH.

- Brad -


On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:01, Fazil  wrote:

Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch strip, 
do we have any alternate for F8?
Thanks!
 
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
 
Fazil,
 
Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  You 
may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item which 
says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move through 
the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose the same 
voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
 
Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil  > wrote:
>  
> Hi, Group.
> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
> If yes, how can I do that, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Jonathan Cohn]

John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook Pro, he 
could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome tabs open, and 
was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this that he contacted 
others with review products to make sure his system did not have a broker heat 
sensor. 
His pod cast discussing is at:
The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring Fireballdaringfireball.net › 
linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… 


Or in text form at:
https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness 

(Don't blame me for the titles that John uses)
Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy  while testing his M1 
machine with for Vision Australia.

In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile your own 
version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro is not 
noticeable.  One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports are 
equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple $8000 
display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have since 
> wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so that would 
> give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may not 
>> affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you the 
>> extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided ultimently 
>> to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I can work 
>> around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do that anyway 
>> lol. Probably the air would work for me but I still have really bad 
>> reservations due to the fact that the air used to give me busy busy and get 
>> so hot LOL. If you decide to get one let me know what you decide it's pretty 
>> cool the battery life is unbelievable!
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put a 
>>> fan in one and not the other.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and 
 M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that 
 the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
 The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
 processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on 
 how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it 
 is the MacBook Air.
 
 Greg Wocher
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
> whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work 
> device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how 
> iPad apps work on the Mac
> 
> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If 
> I upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge > > wrote:
>> 
>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my 
>> MacBook Pro M1.
>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still 
>> at 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a 
>> video on YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
>>  
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Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

[Dave Carlson]

Fazil,
I also have the touch strip. I just used the VO+k keyboard help to identify the 
location of f5, f8, and f12. I then used a small adhesive dot just above each 
location to help me orient when I wanted to use the function keys. Works just 
fine.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Engineer, Musician, Farfar, Woodworker, and Pioneer

On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:01 AM, Fazil  wrote:

Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.
My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch strip, 
do we have any alternate for F8?
Thanks!
 
From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
 
Fazil,
 
Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  You 
may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item which 
says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move through 
the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose the same 
voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
 
Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil  wrote:
>  
> Hi, Group.
> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
> If yes, how can I do that, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have since 
wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so that would give 
me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the moment.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may not 
> affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you the extra 
> core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided ultimently to go 
> with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I can work around it. 
> It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do that anyway lol. 
> Probably the air would work for me but I still have really bad reservations 
> due to the fact that the air used to give me busy busy and get so hot LOL. If 
> you decide to get one let me know what you decide it's pretty cool the 
> battery life is unbelievable!
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put a 
>> fan in one and not the other.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and 
>>> M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that 
>>> the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
>>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
>>> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on 
>>> how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
>>> the MacBook Air.
>>> 
>>> Greg Wocher
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
 whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work 
 device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how 
 iPad apps work on the Mac
 
 One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If 
 I upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  > wrote:
> 
> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my 
> MacBook Pro M1.
> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still 
> at 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video 
> on YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[joseph hodge]

The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or may not 
affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do give you the extra 
core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but decided ultimently to go 
with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me to much I can work around it. It 
was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now we can’t do that anyway lol. Probably the 
air would work for me but I still have really bad reservations due to the fact 
that the air used to give me busy busy and get so hot LOL. If you decide to get 
one let me know what you decide it's pretty cool the battery life is 
unbelievable!

> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put a 
> fan in one and not the other.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and M1 
>> MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that the 
>> M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
>> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on 
>> how one intends to use their MacBook computer.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
>> the MacBook Air.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
>>> whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work 
>>> device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how 
>>> iPad apps work on the Mac
>>> 
>>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
>>> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
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 MacBook Pro M1.
 The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still 
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RE: One Voice Only In Mac?

[Fazil]

Thanks much, Mr. Lamanche.

My MacBook-Pro 2017 does not have physical Function Keys, it got a touch strip, 
do we have any alternate for F8?

Thanks!

 

From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

 

Fazil,

 

Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  You 
may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item which 
says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move through 
the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose the same 
voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.

 

Andrew

On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.

Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?

If yes, how can I do that, please?

Thanks!

 

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Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Fazil,

Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button.  
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voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  You need 
to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.

Andrew
> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
> If yes, how can I do that, please?
> Thanks!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they put a fan 
in one and not the other.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and M1 
> MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that the 
> M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
> processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on how 
> one intends to use their MacBook computer.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher  > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
> the MacBook Air.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether 
>> to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and 
>> my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work 
>> on the Mac
>> 
>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
>> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook 
>>> Pro M1.
>>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
>>> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
>>> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Apparently so. *sigh*
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> You must have dreamed it.  I’ve heard no talk of abandoning the TouchBar.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
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>  I thought I had read that Apple had decided to abandon the touch bar, but I 
> must be imagining that. Thanks for the info.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
>> the MacBook Air.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about 
>>> whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work 
>>> device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how 
>>> iPad apps work on the Mac
>>> 
>>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
>>> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge >>> > wrote:
 
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 MacBook Pro M1.
 The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still 
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Brad Snyder]

You must have dreamed it.  I’ve heard no talk of abandoning the TouchBar.

- Brad -


On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:42, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

 I thought I had read that Apple had decided to abandon the touch bar, but I 
must be imagining that. Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
> the MacBook Air.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether 
>> to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and 
>> my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work 
>> on the Mac
>> 
>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
>> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook 
>>> Pro M1.
>>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
>>> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
>>> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Brad Snyder]

>From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook Air and M1 
>MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the TouchBar, is that the M1 
>MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 MacBook Air does not.
The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when doing 
processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern depending on how 
one intends to use their MacBook computer.

- Brad -


On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher  wrote:

Hello,
The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is the 
MacBook Air.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether 
> to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and 
> my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work 
> on the Mac
> 
> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook 
>> Pro M1.
>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
>> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
>> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

 I thought I had read that Apple had decided to abandon the touch bar, but I 
must be imagining that. Thanks for the info.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:15 AM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is 
> the MacBook Air.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether 
>> to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and 
>> my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work 
>> on the Mac
>> 
>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
>> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook 
>>> Pro M1.
>>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
>>> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
>>> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook without it is the 
MacBook Air.

Greg Wocher


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether 
> to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and 
> my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work 
> on the Mac
> 
> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
> upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
>> 
>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook 
>> Pro M1.
>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
>> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
>> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments
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Re: Mac connected to Amazon Echo

[Jessica Moss]

I’ve noticed when doing this, that on my end anyhow, the sound is so low that I 
practically have to max the volume on both my computer/echo dot in order to 
hear the sound out of it.  Has anyone else had this issue, and/know what the 
cause is for it?

> On Aug 12, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Nope, I have been playing my own music library.
> 
> I even went up to bluetooth in menu extras and reconnected to Echo up there.
> 
> Traci
> 
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2020, at 8:01 AM, kglists via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Do you need an apple subscription if you try and play your music library 
>> with your Echo device?  If you are playing from your Mac?   
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Traci Duncan
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:00 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Mac connected to Amazon Echo
>> 
>> Wow! I just connected my Mac via bluetooth to Amazon Echo!
>> 
>> *Claps hands with excitement!
>> 
>> An excellent way for me to play my music library with no Voiceover 
>> interference. Although, I need to mute system sounds. ;) 
>> 
>> Traci
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Re: Recorded demo on my M1

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence about whether to 
upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my Mac as a work device and my 
iPad as a fun device, so was glad to see you focus on how iPad apps work on the 
Mac

One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function keys? If I 
upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge  wrote:
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> Pro M1.
> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 
> 54% and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on 
> YouTube where I demonstrate using a few iPad OS apps!
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Recorded demo on my M1

[joseph hodge]

I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of my MacBook Pro 
M1.
The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's still at 54% 
and I used it all day yesterday! It is pretty neat! Here's a video on YouTube 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wYGC4cuybo=Ugy2Us-bXTOmzXaCTt94AaABAg=em-comments

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Re: help with mac mail

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Zoe.

Hope you are well and glad to know that you are progressing with your Mac.

Well, you were talking about previous recipients.  If you have your contacts 
up-to-date and you wish to empty your previous recipients as I do from time to 
time, you can do the following.  I don’t know how to make this work on the I 
phone but I wish you could.  

When you are in your email folder with your cursor in the inbox, please do Vo M 
to find the menu bar and then vo right arrow until you here the word Window.

2.  When you hear  the word window, Vo arrow down as this will open the menu 
and you have 17 items.

3.  Keep arrowing down with VO down arrow until you hear  previous recipients.

4.  Vo space on previous recipients.

5.  Here is a table where all the recipients you have ever written to.

6.  You can select with command A and press the delete key which will empty the 
whole table.

7.  Before you do this, you can Vo Right arrow and see other options in this 
menu as you can add emails to your contacts or remove individual names.  You 
can also select line by line how many names you’d like to remove from the table 
just as if you were doing so in windows with shift key down arrow.

I hope you and others find this information useful.

Thank you very much.

Kawal.  

.  
> On 7 Dec 2020, at 18:31, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan and all. Thank you for replying to my message and the help. This 
> morning I sat on my computer and was planning to open up my iPhone with your 
> instructions Jonathan to start fixing or investigating how to view my junk 
> folder. Just before starting I decided to check for new email first get rid 
> of messages I don’t want, etc. As I was pressing VO and the arrow keys to 
> jump between favourites bar, messages table, scroll area etc. I noticed 
> voiceover saying to me vertical splitter, voiceover continue to tell me to 
> interact with this splitter, I wondered for a second what this could be. I 
> interacted with it and I heard such things as 10% 15% etc. Again I thought 
> for a second what does this do I stopped interacting. the little that I 
> changed the vertical splitter now gives me all my mailboxes. Everything is in 
> view just  As I wanted. All of this was fixed.  the junk folder is viewable 
> along with other mail folders just by adjusting the vertical splitter. 
> Who would have thought the answer was so easy. Sometimes you have to try 
> things and sometimes in my case you fix things by accident. This is good to 
> know for other people who are having problems and want to be able to have 
> access and view their junk folder.
> I hope this makes sense and that I didn’t confuse you very much.
> Again thank you for everything
> 
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> OK, you should have a junk folder without doing anything. It might be that 
>> you need to change something in Mail preferences.
>> Open preferences once you are in mail with command-comma.
>> In the toolbar there is a Junk  or Junk Mail button. Press this.
>> In this set of preferences, there is probably words saying something like 
>> use a junk folder or flag messages in the inbox as junk.
>> Obviously, you want the junk folder option. If this is already selected, 
>> then I don't have any suggestions for you.
>> Jonathan
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2020, at 22:37, FIOGKOS >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thank you so much, if you remember or find out how to add the junk folder 
>>> please inform me because it is just a preference thing, I really would like 
>>> to have my junk folder in view just like I do on my iPhone. I am not on big 
>>> sir, I am on Catalina. I have a late 2013 iMac and was told that I cannot 
>>> get the big sir update.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2020, at 9:45 PM, Jonathan Cohn >>> > wrote:
 
 Hello,
 Your first issue is because of "recent recipients". You probably replied 
 to a message from Donna, and since it actually went to the list, apple 
 added her name and the macvisionaries address to your recent recipient 
 list. If you open contacts and create a contact for the Macvisionaries 
 list with the e-mail address, then Macintosh Mail should put your Alias 
 name there instead of Donna.
 
 In terms of the Junk folder, in BigSir, they hide the "All