Re: Demoing Amazing appp

[Dennis Westphal]

Thanks for sharing

> Am 12.12.2020 um 04:28 schrieb joseph hodge :
> 
> This was asked for earlier in the week here is a demonstration of how to 
> move apps from your iPhone to your Mac if not offered in the App Store. 
> Sidenote I did try Amazon Alexa after recording this demonstration I did not 
> get it to work it would never let me sign in it made me do a caption  but 
> never seem to let me past this. I also was going to release us to YouTube but 
> due to the nature of it I decided just to only share with you guys. Hope you 
> enjoy and find it useful!
> https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0MmCXlbGEIVcymhrRp2gxMNig#audio_only
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Re: When Should Battery Be Charging?

[Muhammad Fayed]

Personally, I prefer keeping it between 40% and 100%. I have heard that keeping 
iPhone batteries between 40-80% is best to keep it as much as possible, but It 
is a very low range. So, I make the iPhone between 40-95% as much as I can. 
Sometimes, I can’t get it exactly, so it won’t matter a lot. It helped in 
keeping my iPhone health above 90% for two years now.

There is no source explaining the same for Mac batteries, but I just do it.

HTH,

Mohamed E. Fayed 

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:47 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> When in my home office, I keep my MacBook Pro on A/C power whenever I am 
> using it.
> When I am using it on the go, I charge it every night, and start the day at 
> 100%.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 14:40, Fazil  > wrote:
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> Hi, Group.
> When should I be charging my Mac, when is it @%20 or something different?
> Thanks!
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iOS 14 Users Report Missing Notifications from Messages App: 9 to 5 Mac

[M. Taylor]

iPhone users continue to report missing Messages app notifications after 
updating to iOS 14
by Chance Miller, 9 to 5 Mac: 
 
A bug resulting in missing text message notifications is continuing to affect 
iPhone users with iOS 14. While the issue appeared to at first to be exclusive 
to the iPhone 12 series, it appears to be affecting nearly any iPhone model 
running iOS 14 — and the early signs are that iOS 14.3 doesn’t fix the problem 
either.

Missing iOS 14 messages notifications
The problem was reported by MacRumors and The Verge recently, and it continues 
to gain traction on Apple’s support forums, Reddit, and other online 
communities. The problem that many users report is that they do not receive 
notifications from incoming text messages and iMessages.

In fact, users say they don’t receive any sort of lock screen notification for 
the messages, nor does the Messages app display a badge for the messages. A 
thread on Apple’s support forums includes over 40 pages of complaints from 
affected users. The affected users have tried a variety of potential fixes, but 
none of them appear to be permanent.

Text notifications/vibration do not work in silent mode with locked screen in 
iOS 14 on my iPhone 11 Pro Max. However, I get vibration/notifications on my 
Apple Watch 4, which is also set in silent mode.
An interesting detail is that I can make it work IF I take off my Apple Watch. 
Then text notifications/vibration work exactly as they should on my iPhone.

Another user writes:
My iPhone doesn’t notify me anymore concerning text messages coming in and some 
phone calls now. I made sure all my settings were set up properly. This is a 
new problem that started directly after the 14 update. There are a lot of posts 
on here about the same issue, but I haven’t noticed any resolutions.

Interestingly, Apple’s release notes for iOS 14.2.1, released last month, 
indicated that the update resolved an issue where “some MMS messages may not be 
received.” This seemed to address a separate bug affecting iPhone 12 users, not 
this more widespread iOS 14 bug affecting a broader scope of iOS 14 users.

The Verge adds that the issue does not appear to be fixed in the latest beta of 
iOS 14.3:
And if you’re hoping that all will be well when iOS 14.3 releases next week, I 
wouldn’t be so sure. Early reports indicate that the no-text-notifications bug 
remains present — at least in some cases — in the second release candidate 
build of iOS 14.3 that Apple pushed out to public beta testers yesterday.

Apple is likely to release iOS 14.3 to the public on Monday, so it’s possible 
the company is able to implement a last-minute fix into that update. Otherwise, 
affected users will be waiting until iOS 14.3.1 or later for a fix for this 
Messages bug.
Affected iPhone users have even taken to TikTok and Twitter to voice their 
displeasure with this bug:

@ogske 
Is it just my phone or do yall’s phone not give y’all a notification either ? 
#apple #fixitprettyplease #sike #yougonefixitrightnow #iphone #ftk
♬ zoey 101 – cali 

The Verge says it has reached out to Apple to find out more information on the 
status of this bug and whether there are any plans to fix it. In the meantime, 
let us know down in the comments if you’ve experienced this problem on your 
device.

Original Article at:
https://9to5mac.com/2020/12/11/ios-14-messages-notifications-iphone/


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Demoing Amazing appp

[joseph hodge]

This was asked for earlier in the week here is a demonstration of how to move 
apps from your iPhone to your Mac if not offered in the App Store. Sidenote I 
did try Amazon Alexa after recording this demonstration I did not get it to 
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https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/0MmCXlbGEIVcymhrRp2gxMNig#audio_only

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Re: Filling out pdf forms.

[Brad Snyder]

You might try doing a Save As using, CMD + Option + Shift + S.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 17:08, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
I see that there are textfields I can fill in but I  seem to miss how to save 
the form.
I thought command s would work but not here.
/A

> 11 dec. 2020 kl. 17:45 skrev Brad Snyder :
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> Depends on the PDF form.
> Some PDF forms are editable, some must be printed out and filled in using a 
> writing implement, and scanned back into the computer.
> 
> - Brad -
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> On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:01, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Was trying to fill out a pdf form last night but when I sent the form to the 
> one who needed it it wasn’t filled out.
> I used preview to do that.
> Can I do it in pages if its a pdf-form?
> Or are there other apps that will work for this?
> Thanks.
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Re: Filling out pdf forms.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I see that there are textfields I can fill in but I  seem to miss how to save 
the form.
I thought command s would work but not here.
/A

> 11 dec. 2020 kl. 17:45 skrev Brad Snyder :
> 
> Depends on the PDF form.
> Some PDF forms are editable, some must be printed out and filled in using a 
> writing implement, and scanned back into the computer.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:01, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Was trying to fill out a pdf form last night but when I sent the form to the 
> one who needed it it wasn’t filled out.
> I used preview to do that.
> Can I do it in pages if its a pdf-form?
> Or are there other apps that will work for this?
> Thanks.
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Re: When Should Battery Be Charging?

[Brad Snyder]

When in my home office, I keep my MacBook Pro on A/C power whenever I am using 
it.
When I am using it on the go, I charge it every night, and start the day at 
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On Dec 11, 2020, at 14:40, Fazil  wrote:

Hi, Group.
When should I be charging my Mac, when is it @%20 or something different?
Thanks!
 

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When Should Battery Be Charging?

[Fazil]

Hi, Group.

When should I be charging my Mac, when is it @%20 or something different?

Thanks!

 

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Big Sur Messages Problems Mostly Solved

[Steve Matzura]

Turns out, Messages has been revised a little. ... OK, a lot. To wit:


1. Conversations are now in a collection, not a table. This changes the 
way one navigates and will require some muscle memory reprogramming.



2. Conversations  with more than three participants always speak all 
participants' names or phone numbers, instead of the previous behavior 
where only the first three names or phone numbers were spoken, followed 
by "and x others," where x was the remaining number of participants. 
Additional to this oddment is the fact that in order to get to the 
messages collection from a selected conversation requires one VO-Right 
past each name in the conversation, and the first one is spoken twice.



3. If you want to copy the text from a message, it used to be easy. All 
you had to do was go into the message area, interact with it, scroll 
down to find the message you want to copy, and press VO-C. Now, you have 
to not only find the message, but then double-click it with VO-SPACE. 
Then and only then can you select and copy it.



4. Selecting a conversation is vastly different. It's now a collection. 
When you open the collection, there may (or may not) be a conversation 
selected. But even more important is the fact that, to move through the 
collection, you now use VO-Right/Left, not Up/Down. To select a 
conversation, press VO-SPACE. You immediately get dropped into the text 
edit field to send a message. This change is most irritating because it 
breaks all logical workflows. To read messages in the selected 
conversation now requires two extra key-presses--VO-Left twice to skip 
over the Apps button to get to the messages collection.



5. The BACKSPACE key no longer deletes the currently selected 
conversation. You must now go into the File menu and select Delete 
Conversation.



If anyone has found ways around these annoyances and oddities, please 
sing out.


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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[Brad Snyder]

The correct VO command to copy last spoken text to the clipboard is:  VO + 
Shift + C.
The command VO + CMD + C, will find the next text with different attributes.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:18, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Hello,
I meant any of the keys in the navigation area, VO-arrow keys. Also, moving by 
paragraph and line sometimes work depending on if it is a contiguous chunk read 
by VoiceOver. 
So the summary is if VO-left right reads what you want use VO-command-C to copy 
the last phrase to the clipboard. If you want less information than that 
interact down to the text level press VO-enter and then move by word or 
character using VO movement keys (you can do this with QuickNav on and press 
up/down arrow keys to move by word. When you hit VO-enter again VoiceOver will 
announce stop selecting. If it announces selecting, then it had a problem.You 
can  press VO-F6 to verify what you have selected and finally press command-C 
to copy.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 09:51, FIOGKOS  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan thank you for trying, what is the move cursor key? You say VO 
> enter VO curser key? What exactly should I be pressing?
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote:
>> 
>> I can get simple phrases to be copied using the VO-enter move cursor and 
>> VO-enter a second time. This will only work for me on chunks of text that 
>> are part of the same phrase with no changes in text size or fonts.
>> On web sites, usually if you can get one or two words selected, the rest can 
>> be selected, and I thought I could do this on PDF's, but had no luck.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 20:19, FIOGKOS >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole 
>>> document and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific 
>>> text does anybody know how to do this?
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
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>>> when he's late
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Re: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

[Brad Snyder]

That means those keys don't do anything. If they did, voiceover would speak the 
action performed when pressing those keys.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 12:19, Fazil  wrote:


Yes, I did turn on Keyboard help but VoiceOver remained quiet on several keys.
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 6:57 AM
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I’m not aware of a list, but you can turn on Keyboard Help using VO + K, and 
then press the keys to hear what they do.

- Brad -

 
On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:36, Fazil  wrote:
 
Where can I have the list of hardware tasks that F-keys perform independently? 
I mean when the F-Keys are not pressed in combination with FN-Key?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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On a Mac computer, by default, when pressed by themselves, the F-keys perform 
hardware functions, such as adjusting screen brightness, media controls, volume 
controls, and so on.  In order to have the F-keys perform as normal F-keys, the 
Fn key must be pressed in combination with the desired F-key.
 
This behavior can be changed in keyboard preferences, so that the behavior of 
the F-keys is reversed.
 

- Brad -

 
On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:22, Fazil  wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the top 
row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver Help on 
and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for adjusting 
brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was for mute.
Is this the original layout or the modified one?
Thanks!
 
 
Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard mapping?
The reason I am saying this is that 
 
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RE: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

[Fazil]

Yes, I did turn on Keyboard help but VoiceOver remained quiet on several keys.

Thanks!

 

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I’m not aware of a list, but you can turn on Keyboard Help using VO + K, and 
then press the keys to hear what they do.


- Brad -

 

On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:36, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where can I have the list of hardware tasks that F-keys perform independently? 
I mean when the F-Keys are not pressed in combination with FN-Key?

Thanks!

 

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On a Mac computer, by default, when pressed by themselves, the F-keys perform 
hardware functions, such as adjusting screen brightness, media controls, volume 
controls, and so on.  In order to have the F-keys perform as normal F-keys, the 
Fn key must be pressed in combination with the desired F-key.

 

This behavior can be changed in keyboard preferences, so that the behavior of 
the F-keys is reversed.

 


- Brad -

 

On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:22, Fazil <  
fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the top 
row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver Help on 
and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for adjusting 
brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was for mute.

Is this the original layout or the modified one?

Thanks!

 

 

Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard mapping?

The reason I am saying this is that 

 

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Re: The VO-W key sequence

[Brad Snyder]

Correct. That is not the same as reading word by word.

- Brad -

On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:35, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

That is true in Catalina, and MacOS 11, but earlier OS's like the one David is 
running do read just one word and then when pressed a second time read the word 
by letter. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 09:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> Either way, VoiceOver only reads a single item that is in the VO cursor.
> This is not the same as Read By Word.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:26, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> The voiceOver W command did change from Mojave to Catalina along with the 
> rotor commands.
> In every version of VoiceOver Macintosh before Catalina, VO-W is used to say 
> word. 
> In current MacOS versions it is "Read Visible text". Still not quite sure how 
> this is different from VO-A "Read the contents of the VoiceOver cursor". 
> Oh, I bet for those 9 to 5 articles where the links were reading incorrect 
> information, from the aria-label, that VO-W would read the correct thing. 
> Anybody notice differences with Catalina or11.X between VO-A and VO-W?
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Re: Filling out pdf forms.

[Brad Snyder]

Depends on the PDF form.
Some PDF forms are editable, some must be printed out and filled in using a 
writing implement, and scanned back into the computer.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 10:01, Anders Holmberg  wrote:

Hi!
Was trying to fill out a pdf form last night but when I sent the form to the 
one who needed it it wasn’t filled out.
I used preview to do that.
Can I do it in pages if its a pdf-form?
Or are there other apps that will work for this?
Thanks.
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Re: The VO-W key sequence

[Jonathan Cohn]

That is true in Catalina, and MacOS 11, but earlier OS's like the one David is 
running do read just one word and then when pressed a second time read the word 
by letter. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 09:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Either way, VoiceOver only reads a single item that is in the VO cursor.
> This is not the same as Read By Word.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:26, Jonathan Cohn  > wrote:
> 
> The voiceOver W command did change from Mojave to Catalina along with the 
> rotor commands.
> In every version of VoiceOver Macintosh before Catalina, VO-W is used to say 
> word. 
> In current MacOS versions it is "Read Visible text". Still not quite sure how 
> this is different from VO-A "Read the contents of the VoiceOver cursor". 
> Oh, I bet for those 9 to 5 articles where the links were reading incorrect 
> information, from the aria-label, that VO-W would read the correct thing. 
> Anybody notice differences with Catalina or11.X between VO-A and VO-W?
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
I meant any of the keys in the navigation area, VO-arrow keys. Also, moving by 
paragraph and line sometimes work depending on if it is a contiguous chunk read 
by VoiceOver. 
So the summary is if VO-left right reads what you want use VO-command-C to copy 
the last phrase to the clipboard. If you want less information than that 
interact down to the text level press VO-enter and then move by word or 
character using VO movement keys (you can do this with QuickNav on and press 
up/down arrow keys to move by word. When you hit VO-enter again VoiceOver will 
announce stop selecting. If it announces selecting, then it had a problem.You 
can  press VO-F6 to verify what you have selected and finally press command-C 
to copy.

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 09:51, FIOGKOS  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jonathan thank you for trying, what is the move cursor key? You say VO 
> enter VO curser key? What exactly should I be pressing?
> 
> 
> God the father chose her
> God the sun dwelt in her
> God the spirit overshadowed her
> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
> Twitter
> @FiogkosZoe
> 
> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
> he's late
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> I can get simple phrases to be copied using the VO-enter move cursor and 
>> VO-enter a second time. This will only work for me on chunks of text that 
>> are part of the same phrase with no changes in text size or fonts.
>> On web sites, usually if you can get one or two words selected, the rest can 
>> be selected, and I thought I could do this on PDF's, but had no luck.
>> 
>>  Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 20:19, FIOGKOS >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole 
>>> document and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific 
>>> text does anybody know how to do this?
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
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Filling out pdf forms.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Was trying to fill out a pdf form last night but when I sent the form to the 
one who needed it it wasn’t filled out.
I used preview to do that.
Can I do it in pages if its a pdf-form?
Or are there other apps that will work for this?
Thanks.
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mac OS big sur: continued issue with localised voice taking over every second line

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I have reported this problem to Apple Accessibility with follow up details on 
how to recreate the problem and then on how to fix the problem. I attach the 
Email below. Note that I am in the UK where Daniel is the default system voice. 
Also note that Rachael is an InfoVox iVox voice but as noted below the same 
problem will probably also happen for any voice other than the default system 
voice.
I hope that the below helps you fix the problem and that as a result the 
problem will be fixed for all in the next Bigsur release.
Good luck fixing it in your environment … Paul Hopewell

—
Hello,t j
Thank you for getting back to me.
As described later the problem is fixed but I can recreate it. I did the 
following to recreate:
- Start with voice Rachael working correctly. I think the problem would also 
happen for any correctly working voice other than Daniel.
- Open VoiceOver utility and go to Speech and then Voices. Customise language 
list and edit the first entry which will be for Rachael.
- Go to Additional Voice Options. Note that Rachael is the voice for each 
category and that pitch and rate and volume and intonation are also the same 
for each category.
- Change the volume for the Status category. I think the problem will still 
happen if you make any other change so that the entries for the categories are 
not the same as each other.
- Press the OK button at the end of the categories table and close VoiceOver 
utility.

I would expect Rachael to always speak but speak a bit louder in some 
circumstances. Instead the VoiceOver voice will now apparently randomly switch 
between Rachael and Daniel. You may have to open Safari to trigger this 
behaviour. Restarting the computer does not fix the problem.

Having got into the above state I have to do the following to fix it:
- Using VoiceOver utility choose Daniel as the VoiceOver voice and then set 
Daniel as the voice for each of the Additional Voice Options and also check 
that the rate, pitch, volume and intonation are the same for each category. 
Press the OK button at the end of the categories table and close VoiceOver 
utility.

VoiceOver will now work correctly using Daniel for everything.
- Now restart the computer. 
- Now use VoiceOver utility to set Rachael as the VoiceOver voice and change 
the Additional Voice Options so that each category uses Rachael. Press the OK 
button at the end of the Additional Voice Options table and close the VoiceOver 
utility.

Rachael will now work correctly!

I hope the above works for you and that you can recreate the problem prior to 
fixing it.
Best regards …. Paul Hopewell

> On 4 Dec 2020, at 16:46, Apple Accessibility  > wrote:
> 
> Hello Paul,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide us 
> with feedback and we’d like to know more about the behavior. Does the voice 
> switching behavior occur if you delete the iVox voice? We noticed on iVox’s 
> website that they are discontinuing the support and development in the near 
> future. We attempted to reproduce the behavior with Kate and Daniel using the 
> steps provided and were unable to get the voices to switch by using the arrow 
> keys to review text entered in a new message in Mail. if the behavior 
> persists after removing the iVox voice and restarting your Mac, a screen 
> recording of the behavior on display will help us investigate.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility 
> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility 
> 
> 
> On November 30, 2020 at 18:28:47 PM GMT, hopew...@hopewell.org.uk 
>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have recently updated my 2018 iMac from Catalina to Bigsur. I am blind and 
>> so use VoiceOver for all computer access. I live in the UK and have English 
>> UK set as my only language. I have set up typing to speak both characters 
>> and words.
>>  I have used the VoiceOver utility to set up my Voice as InfoVox iVox 
>> Racheal. I used the Additional Voice Options to set Racheal as the desired 
>> Voice for all categories. I thus expect to only hear the Racheal voice in 
>> all circumstances.
>> However that is not what happens. Instead VoiceOver keeps switching between 
>> Racheal and Daniel (compact?)in a random way. For example if I use the left 
>> and right arrows to edit this Email then some characters are spoken by 
>> Racheal and some are spoken by Daniel with the majority spoken by Daniel.
>> The same problem happens if I use the VoiceOver utility to set up an Apple 
>> voice such as Kate. Again VoiceOver keeps switching between Kate and Daniel.
>> I thus suspect that there is a VoiceOver bug in this area.
>> I would like to set up VoiceOver to stop switching voices, and in the short 
>> term am not too concerned which Voice. What 

Re: The Psychology of technology

[Traci Duncan]

Oh, the book thing! A couple years ago, I bought an audio book on the day of 
publication. That was amazing to me. The same day it came out for everyone, I 
bought it as well. *smiles 

What is your current iPad model? Also, do you have a braille display? That is a 
brilliant combo. I use my braille display and iPad mini together constantly. I 
love it for Duolingo or Memrise lessons.

A little braille display and iMessage tip; did you guys know hitting the dot 8 
key sends your message off? If you happen to be dictating and hit the dot 8 
key, it goes off right away. Lol! I’ve done this on accident and intentionally. 
;) 

If you update your MacBook, at least it’ll be the one with the m1 chip. I’m 
kind of kicking myself that I bought my MBA just this last Sept. and less than 
two Months later the m1 chip ones are out. It’s like when you buy something and 
a week later it is on sale. Lol!

Traci


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Granted I intend going back to the start of this thread, but I believe 
> symphony pro runs better in the   iPad, especially for inclusive composition, 
> or so I recall from another list.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for your thoughts on blind folks using Ipads, Donna. I've often
>> wondered about that.
>> 
>> Personally, I've never owned one and have no particular desire to get
>> one for exactly the reason you cite. I can only see two arguments in
>> favor:
>> 
>> *Potential superior speakers for better room filling sound. Is
>> *this a fact? Or just a speculative possibility?
>> 
>> *Some apps will run on Ipad, but not on Iphone. To my knowledge
>> *this is also false.
>> 
>> So, what's the attraction?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> This is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. In a perfect 
>>> world, I would buy both a new Mac and a new iPad, but that would stretch my 
>>> funds a little more than I want to stretch them. So I’ve been trying to 
>>> sort out which device I want to upgrade this year, and which one next. That 
>>> has gotten me thinking about why I like my iPad. I do like it, there’s no 
>>> question about that. But as a device, it really doesn’t make much sense. I 
>>> agree with Joe, that an iPad is basically just a big iPhone. And, since I 
>>> can’t see the screen, there’s really no reason for me to have an iPad in 
>>> the first place. But even knowing that, I like my iPad, and am very 
>>> intrigued with the idea of getting a newer, faster one. But I can’t really 
>>> come up with a good reason why. Everything Joe said in his video is right. 
>>> The Mac is a much better proeductivity device, and the iPhone is really all 
>>> the screen I need. And, it’s faster than my iPad. So what is it about the 
>>> iPad that makes me like it? Notice I’m sitting here drinking my coffee and 
>>> typing this email on it, not on my Mac and not on my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> This is more of a rhetorical post than anything else, but it’s something 
>>> that has really come to fascinate me. If anyone else wants to chime in, I’d 
>>> love to hear people’s thoughts.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[Brett Lewis]

this is great
i did not know about that key

> On Dec 11, 2020, at 2:25 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Another way to do this would be to use VO + Shift + c to copy the last 
> spoken phrase to the clipboard.
> All the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
>> Am 11.12.2020 um 03:10 schrieb Zoe Fiogkos :
>> 
>> Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra 
>> step but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
>>> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected 
>>> text to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard 
>>> contents to a blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an 
>>> editable copy of the PDF’s contents.
>>> 
>>> Let me know if this works. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole 
>>> document and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific 
>>> text does anybody know how to do this?
>>> Regards Zoe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God the father chose her
>>> God the sun dwelt in her
>>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>>> Twitter
>>> @FiogkosZoe
>>> 
>>> Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel 
>>> when he's late
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>> God the Father chose her,
>> God the Son dwelt in her,
>> God the Spirit over shadowed her.
>> Most Holy mother of God intercede on our behalf and save us.
>> 
>> Blind Kisses
>> I am proud to design, make, and sell my handmade jewellery.
>> blindkis...@rogers.com
>> Zoe Fiogkos
>> fiog...@rogers.com
>> 
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Re: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

[Brad Snyder]

I’m not aware of a list, but you can turn on Keyboard Help using VO + K, and 
then press the keys to hear what they do.

- Brad -


On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:36, Fazil  wrote:

Where can I have the list of hardware tasks that F-keys perform independently? 
I mean when the F-Keys are not pressed in combination with FN-Key?
Thanks!
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
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Subject: Re: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?
 
On a Mac computer, by default, when pressed by themselves, the F-keys perform 
hardware functions, such as adjusting screen brightness, media controls, volume 
controls, and so on.  In order to have the F-keys perform as normal F-keys, the 
Fn key must be pressed in combination with the desired F-key.
 
This behavior can be changed in keyboard preferences, so that the behavior of 
the F-keys is reversed.
 

- Brad -

 
On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:22, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 
Hi, Group.
I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the top 
row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver Help on 
and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for adjusting 
brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was for mute.
Is this the original layout or the modified one?
Thanks!
 
 
Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard mapping?
The reason I am saying this is that 
 
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Re: The VO-W key sequence

[Brad Snyder]

Either way, VoiceOver only reads a single item that is in the VO cursor.
This is not the same as Read By Word.

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On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:26, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

The voiceOver W command did change from Mojave to Catalina along with the rotor 
commands.
In every version of VoiceOver Macintosh before Catalina, VO-W is used to say 
word. 
In current MacOS versions it is "Read Visible text". Still not quite sure how 
this is different from VO-A "Read the contents of the VoiceOver cursor". 
Oh, I bet for those 9 to 5 articles where the links were reading incorrect 
information, from the aria-label, that VO-W would read the correct thing. 
Anybody notice differences with Catalina or11.X between VO-A and VO-W?
 
Best wishes,

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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[FIOGKOS]

Hi Jonathan thank you for trying, what is the move cursor key? You say VO enter 
VO curser key? What exactly should I be pressing?


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Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
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Love Isn't butterflies in your stomach, love is the heart beat you feel when 
he's late


> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:33 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I can get simple phrases to be copied using the VO-enter move cursor and 
> VO-enter a second time. This will only work for me on chunks of text that are 
> part of the same phrase with no changes in text size or fonts.
> On web sites, usually if you can get one or two words selected, the rest can 
> be selected, and I thought I could do this on PDF's, but had no luck.
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 20:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
>> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
>> anybody know how to do this?
>> Regards Zoe
>> 
>> 
>> God the father chose her
>> God the sun dwelt in her
>> God the spirit overshadowed her
>> Most holy mother of God save us through your intercessions
>> Twitter
>> @FiogkosZoe
>> 
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>> he's late
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RE: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

[Fazil]

Where can I have the list of hardware tasks that F-keys perform independently? 
I mean when the F-Keys are not pressed in combination with FN-Key?

Thanks!

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 10:46 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Function-Keys On Apple Magic Keyboard?

 

On a Mac computer, by default, when pressed by themselves, the F-keys perform 
hardware functions, such as adjusting screen brightness, media controls, volume 
controls, and so on.  In order to have the F-keys perform as normal F-keys, the 
Fn key must be pressed in combination with the desired F-key.

 

This behavior can be changed in keyboard preferences, so that the behavior of 
the F-keys is reversed.

 


- Brad -

 

On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:22, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi, Group.

I purchased a pre-owned Apple Magic Keyboard today. It has 14 keys on the top 
row with the first key bigger twice as much. When I turned VoiceOver Help on 
and checked the keys, the two keys right to the big one were for adjusting 
brightness. Some of the keys did not speak. One of the keys was for mute.

Is this the original layout or the modified one?

Thanks!

 

 

Is it possible that the previous owner might have changed some Keyboard mapping?

The reason I am saying this is that 

 

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The VO-W key sequence

[Jonathan Cohn]

The voiceOver W command did change from Mojave to Catalina along with the rotor 
commands.
In every version of VoiceOver Macintosh before Catalina, VO-W is used to say 
word. 
In current MacOS versions it is "Read Visible text". Still not quite sure how 
this is different from VO-A "Read the contents of the VoiceOver cursor". 
Oh, I bet for those 9 to 5 articles where the links were reading incorrect 
information, from the aria-label, that VO-W would read the correct thing. 
Anybody notice differences with Catalina or11.X between VO-A and VO-W?
 
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Re: How to select items to be moved

[Brad Snyder]

Read my next message.

- Brad -

On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:21, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

Brad,
I have to disagree with you here. I am able to select contiguous and 
non-contiguous items in the list of Mail messages using the standard VoiceOver 
/ system selection techniques that Ms. McCloud listed.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:34, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> No.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 23:19, Gerard Doody  wrote:
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> Hi all, does this apply to mail as well? Thanks in advance...
> Gerard Doody
> jerrydood...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
>> for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
>> interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
>> vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have 
>> been selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple 
>> matter of holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Greetings All,
>>>  
>>> After an absence of a few years from the Mac environment, I now am stepping 
>>> back in; or at least trying.
>>>  
>>> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select 
>>> items in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my 
>>> High Sierra days.
>>>  
>>> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Most cordially,
>>>  
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Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

[Brad Snyder]

I said that already.

- Brad -

On Dec 11, 2020, at 08:15, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:

OR YOU CAN PRESS COMMAND-3 TO SWITCH TO SPEECH.
1: GENERAL 
2: - VERBOSITY 
3: - SPEECH
4: - NAVIGATION 
5: - WEB 
6: - SOUND 
7: - VISUALS 
8: - Commanders 
9: - Braille 
0: - Activities 

Apparently there is not a shortcut for the VoiceOver Recognition category.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 01:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> When in the VoiceOver Utility, you can find the Speech category, by 
> interacting with the Utility Categories table, and navigating to Speech.  
> Once Speech has been located/selected, stop interacting with the table, and 
> VO + right arrow into the Speech setting area.
> 
> As an alternative, when in the VoiceOver Utility, pressing CMD + 3, will 
> select the Speech category.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:07, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew.
> When I Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, I can not navigate to category 
> “speech”, or I should rather say that I can not find the category, ‘Speech’. 
> Am I doing something wrong?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>  
> Fazil,
>  
> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button. 
>  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  
> You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item 
> which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move 
> through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose 
> the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  
> You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
>  
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil  wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: How to select items to be moved

[Jonathan Cohn]

Brad,
I have to disagree with you here. I am able to select contiguous and 
non-contiguous items in the list of Mail messages using the standard VoiceOver 
/ system selection techniques that Ms. McCloud listed.
Jonathan

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:34, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 23:19, Gerard Doody  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all, does this apply to mail as well? Thanks in advance...
> Gerard Doody
> jerrydood...@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 4:10 AM, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> are you talking about noncontiguous items? 
>> for that, open the folder containing the items you want to copy or move then 
>> interact. vo-arrow down to the first item you want to select. press 
>> vo-command-return on it. continue in that way till all desired items have 
>> been selected. if the items you want are all together then it's a simple 
>> matter of holding down the shift key as you arrow down through them. 
>> 
>> Lorie
>>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 1:46 AM, kc8pdx via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings All,
>>>  
>>> After an absence of a few years from the Mac environment, I now am stepping 
>>> back in; or at least trying.
>>>  
>>> My new MacBook Air arrived and I am trying to figure out how to select 
>>> items in one folder to be moved to another. Something has changed since my 
>>> High Sierra days.
>>>  
>>> Any guidance would be appreciated.
>>>  
>>> Most cordially,
>>>  
>>> Larry W. Honaker
>>>  
>>> kc8...@icloud.com 
>>>  
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Re: One Voice Only In Mac?

[Jonathan Cohn]

OR YOU CAN PRESS COMMAND-3 TO SWITCH TO SPEECH.
1: GENERAL 
2: - VERBOSITY 
3: - SPEECH
4: - NAVIGATION 
5: - WEB 
6: - SOUND 
7: - VISUALS 
8: - Commanders 
9: - Braille 
0: - Activities 

Apparently there is not a shortcut for the VoiceOver Recognition category.
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 11, 2020, at 01:55, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> When in the VoiceOver Utility, you can find the Speech category, by 
> interacting with the Utility Categories table, and navigating to Speech.  
> Once Speech has been located/selected, stop interacting with the table, and 
> VO + right arrow into the Speech setting area.
> 
> As an alternative, when in the VoiceOver Utility, pressing CMD + 3, will 
> select the Speech category.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Dec 11, 2020, at 00:07, Fazil  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew.
> When I Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, I can not navigate to category 
> “speech”, or I should rather say that I can not find the category, ‘Speech’. 
> Am I doing something wrong?
> Thanks!
>  
> From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 8:24 AM
> To: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  >
> Subject: Re: One Voice Only In Mac?
>  
> Fazil,
>  
> Open Voiceover utility with vo+f8, then arrow down to the category “speech”, 
> then find the table of active voices, you may only have one as I understand 
> your setup.  Interact with it with vo+shift+down arrow, find the edit button. 
>  Press it & this should open the window where you can configure your voice.  
> You may have to at some point expand the dialog so listen out for the item 
> which says collapsed.  Press vo+spacebar on it to expand it.  Now as you move 
> through the dialog you can adjust the various parameters.  You need to choose 
> the same voice for system voice, keyboard voice, etc.  This should help you.  
> You need to press ok button at the end of the dialog to save the changes.
>  
> Andrew
>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 23:46, Fazil > > wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> My Mac has two VO voices active which I don’t like.
>> Can I keep just one voice, Samantha?
>> If yes, how can I do that, please?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Selecting text from a PDF

[Jürgen Fleger]

Another way to do this would be to use VO + Shift + c to copy the last spoken 
phrase to the clipboard.
All the best
Jürgen


> Am 11.12.2020 um 03:10 schrieb Zoe Fiogkos :
> 
> Hi Brad, I will give it a try. I was hoping not to have to take this extra 
> step but if there is no other way, at least it can still be done.
> 
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>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 8:55 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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>> I would suggest opening the PDF document in Preview, as you have done, then 
>> highlighting the entire document using CMD + A, and copying the selected 
>> text to the clipboard.  Then open TextEdit, and paste the clipboard contents 
>> to a blank TextEdit document, and hopefully you will now have an editable 
>> copy of the PDF’s contents.
>> 
>> Let me know if this works. 
>> 
>> - Brad -
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>> On Dec 10, 2020, at 19:19, FIOGKOS  wrote:
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>> Hi everybody I hope somebody can help. I’m not going to lie I have asked on 
>> another list and didn’t find an answer I’m hoping somebody here will know 
>> the answer to my question. I received a PDF file via email. I saved the 
>> attachment to my documents. I opened the PDF with preview. I interact with 
>> the text and I am able to read the document. I can select the whole document 
>> and copy and paste it somewhere else but I cannot select specific text does 
>> anybody know how to do this?
>> Regards Zoe
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