Re: Finding the URL of a radio station

[Herbie Allen]

I use VLC Media Player and what I like to do is VO shift M on the listen link 
and download it to my Mac. It should download as an m3u or PLS file and you can 
do VO Shift I on the file to make sure that VLC is the default player that 
opens the stream.

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 16:41, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows any software that will allow you to 
> grab the URL of a radio station when you're playing it? I would like to take 
> a radio station and put it into a player that does not have access to it 
> however it allows me to add URLS. Everything I find is windows only and just 
> trying to find something that will work!
> 
> Joe
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keyboard commanders

[Lorie McCloud]

I'd like to create a keyboard commander to toggle between mouse follows vo 
cursor and mouse ignores vo cursor. activities do work for this but I lost mine 
when I went up to Catalina. I thought it would be better to set a keyboard 
commander because there are sites I have encountered where I needed to switch 
that weren't in the list for the activity. can somebody tell me how to do it? 
I'm in vo utility in keyboard commanders where it says: "add". now what do I do?

 Thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey! (fwd)

[Lorie McCloud]

as I said: I messed up and read it wrong. anyway I did reach out and filled out 
the form. I like to put my 2 cents in places like that whenever I can.

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 5:22 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Reach out anyway.  after all, Nisa did not share her post until today.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 26 Jan 2021, Lorie McCloud wrote:
> 
>> looks like the deadline has already passed. on that form it says the end 
>> date is Jan. 25.
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> If you can, please consider taking part.
>>> Google needs a wide pool of diverse product users, if for no other reason 
>>> then  to educate them..more than Jaws and windows.
>>> Kare
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:10:00 -0800 (PST)
>>> From: 'Nisa Lopez' via accessible 
>>> To: accessible 
>>> Subject: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google 
>>> survey!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> Help shape the future of Google's products! Google is looking for people
>>> who use screen readers to participate in a survey to learn more about how
>>> you use assistive technology. This study will help the Google team better
>>> understand your needs in order to incorporate them into future product
>>> development and updates.
>>> 
>>> Dates: January 12th -  February 5th
>>> 
>>> Time: 15-20 minutes
>>> 
>>> Location: online, complete the survey on your own time
>>> 
>>> Thanks: $25 gift code
>>> 
>>> To qualify: You must live in the US and be over the age of 18
>>> 
>>> If you’re interested in participating, please let us know by filling out
>>> this short form: https://forms.gle/tKZt7FZQRAGQ39rP8. Note that completing
>>> this form is not the survey itself. Once we receive your email, we will
>>> reach out with a unique survey link for you to complete the 15-20 minute
>>> survey that you can take anytime.
>>> 
>>> Please feel free to pass this email onto anyone you think might be
>>> interested. Email Emma Jackson at p...@google.com with any questions.
>>> 
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Re: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey! (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

Reach out anyway.  after all, Nisa did not share her post until today.



On Tue, 26 Jan 2021, Lorie McCloud wrote:


looks like the deadline has already passed. on that form it says the end date 
is Jan. 25.


On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Folks,
If you can, please consider taking part.
Google needs a wide pool of diverse product users, if for no other reason then  
to educate them..more than Jaws and windows.
Kare



-- Forwarded message --
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:10:00 -0800 (PST)
From: 'Nisa Lopez' via accessible 
To: accessible 
Subject: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey!



Hello!

Help shape the future of Google's products! Google is looking for people
who use screen readers to participate in a survey to learn more about how
you use assistive technology. This study will help the Google team better
understand your needs in order to incorporate them into future product
development and updates.

Dates: January 12th -  February 5th

Time: 15-20 minutes

Location: online, complete the survey on your own time

Thanks: $25 gift code

To qualify: You must live in the US and be over the age of 18

If you’re interested in participating, please let us know by filling out
this short form: https://forms.gle/tKZt7FZQRAGQ39rP8. Note that completing
this form is not the survey itself. Once we receive your email, we will
reach out with a unique survey link for you to complete the 15-20 minute
survey that you can take anytime.

Please feel free to pass this email onto anyone you think might be
interested. Email Emma Jackson at p...@google.com with any questions.

Thank you!

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Re: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey! (fwd)

[Lorie McCloud]

woops! sorry. I read it wrong.

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> If you can, please consider taking part.
> Google needs a wide pool of diverse product users, if for no other reason 
> then  to educate them..more than Jaws and windows.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:10:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Nisa Lopez' via accessible 
> To: accessible 
> Subject: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey!
> 
> 
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Help shape the future of Google's products! Google is looking for people
> who use screen readers to participate in a survey to learn more about how
> you use assistive technology. This study will help the Google team better
> understand your needs in order to incorporate them into future product
> development and updates.
> 
> Dates: January 12th -  February 5th
> 
> Time: 15-20 minutes
> 
> Location: online, complete the survey on your own time
> 
> Thanks: $25 gift code
> 
> To qualify: You must live in the US and be over the age of 18
> 
> If you’re interested in participating, please let us know by filling out
> this short form: https://forms.gle/tKZt7FZQRAGQ39rP8. Note that completing
> this form is not the survey itself. Once we receive your email, we will
> reach out with a unique survey link for you to complete the 15-20 minute
> survey that you can take anytime.
> 
> Please feel free to pass this email onto anyone you think might be
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> 
> Thank you!
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Re: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey! (fwd)

[Lorie McCloud]

looks like the deadline has already passed. on that form it says the end date 
is Jan. 25.

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:50 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> If you can, please consider taking part.
> Google needs a wide pool of diverse product users, if for no other reason 
> then  to educate them..more than Jaws and windows.
> Kare
> 
> 
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 07:10:00 -0800 (PST)
> From: 'Nisa Lopez' via accessible 
> To: accessible 
> Subject: Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey!
> 
> 
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Help shape the future of Google's products! Google is looking for people
> who use screen readers to participate in a survey to learn more about how
> you use assistive technology. This study will help the Google team better
> understand your needs in order to incorporate them into future product
> development and updates.
> 
> Dates: January 12th -  February 5th
> 
> Time: 15-20 minutes
> 
> Location: online, complete the survey on your own time
> 
> Thanks: $25 gift code
> 
> To qualify: You must live in the US and be over the age of 18
> 
> If you’re interested in participating, please let us know by filling out
> this short form: https://forms.gle/tKZt7FZQRAGQ39rP8. Note that completing
> this form is not the survey itself. Once we receive your email, we will
> reach out with a unique survey link for you to complete the 15-20 minute
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> 
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Finding the URL of a radio station

[joseph hodge]

Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows any software that will allow you to grab 
the URL of a radio station when you're playing it? I would like to take a radio 
station and put it into a player that does not have access to it however it 
allows me to add URLS. Everything I find is windows only and just trying to 
find something that will work!

Joe

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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

['Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm, thanks for the tip,


> On Jan 26, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi Kliph,
> 
> The security people for the Mantis list won't allow iCloud addresses. I 
> actually had to sign up using a work address. If you have a non iCloud addie, 
> try signing up with that.
> 
> Glad to hear your not having the issue, though. That's encouraging.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 4:06 PM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t have this issue, and I am using the mantis with my iPhone and iPad.  
>> Tried getting on that mantis mailing list 3 times, and no answer from any of 
>> my subscribe attempts 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:32 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
>>> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for 
>>> all braille displays?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
>>> Message from Mantis list
>>> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
>>> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you 
>>> turn off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
>>> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
>>> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
>>> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>>>  
>>> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
>>> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
>>> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
>>> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there 
>>> but then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to 
>>> toggle Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon 
>>> as you lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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Re: Turning Macbook-Pro-2017 On?

[Brad Snyder]

On a Mac with TouchBar, opening the lid will indeed turn on your Mac.

- Brad -


On Jan 26, 2021, at 13:35, Janet Ingber  wrote:

Hi,
I assume you turned the computer off. If so, opening the lid will not do 
anything. If you just closed the lid, open it. If you completely turned it off, 
hold down the Power button (which may also be the Touch ID sensor) for a couple 
of seconds. VoiceOver will not speak while you are doing this. In a few seconds 
VoiceOver will begin to speak.

If you are using macOS Big Sur, you can activate the start up sound in the 
Sounds pane of System Preferences.

Hope this helps,
Janet

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Hi, list.
> Last night, I shut down my Macbook-Pro 2017.
> How can I turn it now? Should I just open the lid and expect that the machine 
> would be on soon, or I should do something else?
> Your help is much appreciated.
> Thanks!
> 
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Kliph,

The security people for the Mantis list won't allow iCloud addresses. I 
actually had to sign up using a work address. If you have a non iCloud addie, 
try signing up with that.

Glad to hear your not having the issue, though. That's encouraging.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 26, 2021, at 4:06 PM, 'Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I don’t have this issue, and I am using the mantis with my iPhone and iPad.  
> Tried getting on that mantis mailing list 3 times, and no answer from any of 
> my subscribe attempts 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:32 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
>> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all 
>> braille displays?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> Message from Mantis list
>> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
>> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
>> off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
>> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
>> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
>> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>>  
>> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
>> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
>> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
>> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there 
>> but then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to 
>> toggle Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon 
>> as you lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

['Stur It Up Productions' via MacVisionaries]

I don’t have this issue, and I am using the mantis with my iPhone and iPad.  
Tried getting on that mantis mailing list 3 times, and no answer from any of my 
subscribe attempts 


> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:32 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all 
> braille displays?
> TIA,
> Donna
> Message from Mantis list
> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
> off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>  
> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there but 
> then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to toggle 
> Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon as you 
> lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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Screen Reader Users in US: participate in an upcoming Google survey! (fwd)

[Karen Lewellen]

Folks,
If you can, please consider taking part.
Google needs a wide pool of diverse product users, if for no other reason 
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, Joseph.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:46 PM, joseph hodge  wrote:
> 
> Just a Mantis because it’s using the new hid Standard the older braille 
> displays should be fine!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:34 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
>> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all 
>> braille displays?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> Message from Mantis list
>> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
>> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
>> off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
>> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
>> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
>> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>>  
>> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
>> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
>> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
>> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there 
>> but then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to 
>> toggle Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon 
>> as you lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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Re: problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

[joseph hodge]

Just a Mantis because it’s using the new hid Standard the older braille 
displays should be fine!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 3:34 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone 
> know if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all 
> braille displays?
> TIA,
> Donna
> Message from Mantis list
> Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
> Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
> off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
> introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 
> 14.4 beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 
> release. We will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
>  
> The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your 
> iPad or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display 
> will not automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can 
> force it to reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there but 
> then you won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to toggle 
> Bluetooth on the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon as you 
> lock your device or it goes to sleep.
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problems with IOS 14.4 and braille displays?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

I just received the message below on the Mantis mailing list. Does anyone know 
if this problem is unique to the Mantis, or will it be an issue for all braille 
displays?
TIA,
Donna
Message from Mantis list
Writing today to let everyone know that there are connection issues for the 
Mantis and Chameleon after upgrading to iOS 14.4. We recommend that you turn 
off automatic updates and do not upgrade to 14.4. This is a regression 
introduced by Apple in this release. We alerted them to this issue during 14.4 
beta testing and we hope they will correct it in a possible 14.4.1 release. We 
will keep you posted on anything that we learn.
 
The basic issue is that once you upgrade to 14.4, as soon as you lock your iPad 
or iPhone with the Mantis or Chameleon connected, the braille display will not 
automatically reconnect once you wake the device back up. You can force it to 
reconnect by leaving the terminal and reconnecting from there but then you 
won’t get braille. The only way to get braille back is to toggle Bluetooth on 
the iOS device but the issue will happen again as soon as you lock your device 
or it goes to sleep.
 

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Re: Turning Macbook-Pro-2017 On?

[Janet Ingber]

Hi,
I assume you turned the computer off. If so, opening the lid will not do 
anything. If you just closed the lid, open it. If you completely turned it off, 
hold down the Power button (which may also be the Touch ID sensor) for a couple 
of seconds. VoiceOver will not speak while you are doing this. In a few seconds 
VoiceOver will begin to speak.

If you are using macOS Big Sur, you can activate the start up sound in the 
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Hope this helps,
Janet

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:30 PM, Fazil  wrote:
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> Hi, list.
> Last night, I shut down my Macbook-Pro 2017.
> How can I turn it now? Should I just open the lid and expect that the machine 
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Turning Macbook-Pro-2017 On?

[Fazil]

Hi, list.

Last night, I shut down my Macbook-Pro 2017.

How can I turn it now? Should I just open the lid and expect that the
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Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks!

 

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