Re: Dock Icon Behavior When Application Is Open

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
If the application has no windows then its primary window will be opened. If it 
does have windows then I believe the top-most window for that application is 
broth to the top of the stack. In some cases, Mac will keep programs running 
even if you quit them at least that was a feature added 5-6 ears ago. It was 
designed to reduce the startup time for programs that might get frequent short 
usages. I don't know how much it was implemented but just like IOS does not 
really expect you to quit an application, but that the application will be well 
behaved and save its state when inactive. 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Jul 3, 2021, at 07:45, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> If you activate an icon on the Dock for an application that's already open, 
> what really happens? Does (1) the application's last open window simply 
> reopen and focus is placed thereon, or (2) does the application restart? 
> Based on what I know, which admittedly (quite often) isn't as much as I think 
> I know, the application refocuses--is brought to front, not closed and 
> reopened.
> 
> TIA
> 
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Re: Missing mailboxes

[John Panarese]

  No, it shouldn’t. That is really odd. I’ve only had issues with other custom 
mailboxes disappearing, but was able to locate them with some persistence and 
effort.


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> On Jul 3, 2021, at 1:42 PM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, John, for your reply.  In the end I had to disable & enable again my 
> ICloud account, which much to my relief brought all the mailboxes back into 
> Mail app.  Weird though.  It took me 2 hours to work it out.  Surely it 
> shouldn’t be like that?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 3 Jul 2021, at 15:50, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  Make sure you have the mailbox table expanded. Sometimes, the account 
>> collapses or you might have to look further down the list of mailboxes and 
>> expand an item down there. 
>> 
>>  If it’s your unified mailboxes, you have to bring them back.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>>> On Jul 3, 2021, at 7:35 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing 
>>> ICloud and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I 
>>> have set up under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  
>>> any clues?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, andrew
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Re: Missing mailboxes

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Thanks, John, for your reply.  In the end I had to disable & enable again my 
ICloud account, which much to my relief brought all the mailboxes back into 
Mail app.  Weird though.  It took me 2 hours to work it out.  Surely it 
shouldn’t be like that?

Andrew
> On 3 Jul 2021, at 15:50, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Make sure you have the mailbox table expanded. Sometimes, the account 
> collapses or you might have to look further down the list of mailboxes and 
> expand an item down there. 
> 
>   If it’s your unified mailboxes, you have to bring them back.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>> On Jul 3, 2021, at 7:35 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing ICloud 
>> and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I have set 
>> up under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  any clues?
>> 
>> Thanks, andrew
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Re: Dock Icon Behavior When Application Is Open

[Steve Matzura]

Just as I thought. Tnx for the confirmation.


On 7/3/2021 10:42 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

Yes, #1 is the behaviour.

Later…


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On Jul 3, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Steve Matzura > wrote:


If you activate an icon on the Dock for an application that's already 
open, what really happens? Does (1) the application's last open 
window simply reopen and focus is placed thereon, or (2) does the 
application restart? Based on what I know, which admittedly (quite 
often) isn't as much as I think I know, the application refocuses--is 
brought to front, not closed and reopened.


TIA




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Re: Missing mailboxes

[John Panarese]

   Make sure you have the mailbox table expanded. Sometimes, the account 
collapses or you might have to look further down the list of mailboxes and 
expand an item down there. 

   If it’s your unified mailboxes, you have to bring them back.


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> On Jul 3, 2021, at 7:35 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing ICloud 
> and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I have set 
> up under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  any clues?
> 
> Thanks, andrew
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Re: Dock Icon Behavior When Application Is Open

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Yes, #1 is the behaviour.

Later…


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> On Jul 3, 2021, at 5:45 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> 
> If you activate an icon on the Dock for an application that's already open, 
> what really happens? Does (1) the application's last open window simply 
> reopen and focus is placed thereon, or (2) does the application restart? 
> Based on what I know, which admittedly (quite often) isn't as much as I think 
> I know, the application refocuses--is brought to front, not closed and 
> reopened.
> 
> TIA
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Re: Problem with reading text file on Mac.

[dan d.]

If scanned it is a graphic of text, needs ocr.

On Sat, 3 Jul 2021, Steve Z. wrote:

> Hi list,
> A friend of mine sent me a .txt file that was written or scanned on windows. 
> When I opened it on Mac, couldn???t read it. What should I do?
> Thanks
>
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Dock Icon Behavior When Application Is Open

[Steve Matzura]

If you activate an icon on the Dock for an application that's already 
open, what really happens? Does (1) the application's last open window 
simply reopen and focus is placed thereon, or (2) does the application 
restart? Based on what I know, which admittedly (quite often) isn't as 
much as I think I know, the application refocuses--is brought to front, 
not closed and reopened.


TIA


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Missing mailboxes

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I have just set up my new macbook air M1 and connected to my existing ICloud 
and Google accounts, both IMaP.  However, several of my mailboxes I have set up 
under Icloud account are missing.  Where can they have gone?  any clues?

Thanks, andrew

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Problem with reading text file on Mac.

[Steve Z.]

Hi list,
A friend of mine sent me a .txt file that was written or scanned on windows. 
When I opened it on Mac, couldn’t read it. What should I do?
Thanks

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RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Okay, thanks.

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 10:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

You can go to the site & download the Mac version as there’s a version for 
Linux, Windows & MacOS

Sent from David The Computer Guy

707-759-7586





On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:51 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:



Okay, how do you download the file; not sure I recognize the extension.

Is it accessible, and what platforms does it work on?

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On 
Behalf Of David The Computer Guy
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 8:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

FYI, Y’all should have a look at Xournal… This app is the bomb for PDF editing, 
even edits what Basic Adobe Reader doesn’t without having to pay for a license 
or subscription!

 

http://downloads.sourceforge.net/xournal/xournal-0.4.8.2016.tar.gz

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On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

Your 2014 Mac mini should have no problem running Big Sur.

I would assume Podcast should be the same on Big Sur as on Catalina, but can’t 
say for sure, because I don’t use the Podcast app on Mac.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:24, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

well, I might eventually. I have a late 2014 Mac. could it handle Big Sur? my 
other question is: is there any difference in how Big Sur handles podcasts from 
the way Catalina does?

 

thanks.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 5:17 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

Perhaps VoiceOver Recognition is not supported in Catalina.

Might be a good time to consider upgrading to Big Sur.

>From what I can tell, any accessibility issues have been eliminated and you 
>should be good to go.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 17:05, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

last thing I find is activities.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the 

RE: How to Best Access PDF Files

[skipper8218]

Thanks for that perspective.

I bet the M1 chip will make live text processing even better particularly if it 
can be done on device and not sent to the cloud.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries  
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 11:34 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

This Apple Insider article may shed some more light on things for you:

 

https://appleinsider.com/articles/21/06/07/macos-montereys-live-text-allows-users-to-interact-with-text-in-any-image

 

Essentially, we just need to wait a little while for it to be properly 
integrated.  Regular VoiceOver Recognition has its uses, but Live Text is the 
next generation.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada





On Jul 2, 2021, at 7:13 PM, skipper8...@gmail.com 
  wrote:

 

Okay, as I understand it, VoiceOver Recognition will provide image recognition 
in apps and on websites, but I see nothing about OCR for documents.

Thanks again for the resource.

 

From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 5:56 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files

 

Hi,

 

For information about VoiceOver Recognition, see this link:

 

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/voiceover/vocbaf20181f/mac

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

It is right where Tim said.  In the VoiceOver Utility, last item at the bottom 
of the categories table.


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:33, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

where is it on a Mac Mini? you probably remember I'm running Catalina.






On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:30 PM, Brad Snyder mailto:wb...@swbell.net> > wrote:

 

I have VoiceOver Recognition on both my 2018 Mac mini, and 2019 MacBook Pro 13. 
 Both are Intel Macs, and both are running Big Sur 11.4.

 


- Brad -

 

On Jul 2, 2021, at 16:03, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I believe that it is only available on the M1 Macs.  It is the last item in the 
list of categories.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Lorie McCloud mailto:lorice...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Where is voiceover recognition in the vo utility? I looked for it in there but 
couldn't find it.

 

thanks.

Lorie






On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO Utility? 
 If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to announce that it is 
a document with text on it.  Otherwise, apps like Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do 
the OCR for you.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi Tim,

I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition command, it 
reported no image description available. Was the Full N an app? Does this mean 
I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I 
used the Jaws facility to extract text that was identified as an empty 
document. My work space may not accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use 
software in these instances. Thanks.

Best,

 

Les






On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > 
wrote:

 

Hi,

 

Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then if it has 
multiple pages, they will be listed.  Interact with the page you wish to read 
and the text will be read by VO.  If it requires OCR, you can try pressing 
VO-shift-l to see if VO will read it to you.  If VO-shift-l does not work, 
first make sure that VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, 
then try again.  If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on 
OCR like in Acrobat DC.

 

Later…

 


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist

Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada






On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

Hi All,
I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but could not 
figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an image, is there