Re: buying digital music

[Brad Snyder]

I am referring to the Amazon iOS app, But I don't purchase music from Amazon. 
I'm just saying  The app is  a lot better than trying to navigate their website.

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On Oct 31, 2021, at 22:57, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Brad,

Can you be a bit more specific with regard to which Amazon app to use in order 
to purchase a song?  

Are you referring to the Amazon Music app? Or the general Amazon.com shopping 
app?

Thank  you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: buying digital music

When using iTunes on your phone, select and do a one finger double tap on the 
price. That is the buy button.

As for Amazon, try using the Amazon app for iOS on your phone. It's a lot less 
complicated than using the website.

- Brad -

On Oct 31, 2021, at 19:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I still mostly buy my music. I like to have it in my computer and put it 
wherever else I want it. I looked up an album I want on Amazon and I just can't 
figure out that system any more. it's got so much clutter the only thing I 
can't find in there is what I'm looking for. it's just amazing how convoluted 
it has become. is there anything that can be done to make it more manageable on 
a Mac?

so then I looked up this album on iTunes using my phone. I found it pretty 
quickly and could read all the song titles but I don't know how to buy it. I 
couldn't find a "buy" button or anything of that sort. could this be done on my 
Mac? is it easier now that osx has separated music from movies podcasts and 
books?

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: buying digital music

[M. Taylor]

Hello Brad,

Can you be a bit more specific with regard to which Amazon app to use in order 
to purchase a song?  

Are you referring to the Amazon Music app? Or the general Amazon.com shopping 
app?

Thank  you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 6:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: buying digital music

When using iTunes on your phone, select and do a one finger double tap on the 
price. That is the buy button.

As for Amazon, try using the Amazon app for iOS on your phone. It's a lot less 
complicated than using the website.

- Brad -

On Oct 31, 2021, at 19:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I still mostly buy my music. I like to have it in my computer and put it 
wherever else I want it. I looked up an album I want on Amazon and I just can't 
figure out that system any more. it's got so much clutter the only thing I 
can't find in there is what I'm looking for. it's just amazing how convoluted 
it has become. is there anything that can be done to make it more manageable on 
a Mac?

so then I looked up this album on iTunes using my phone. I found it pretty 
quickly and could read all the song titles but I don't know how to buy it. I 
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Mac? is it easier now that osx has separated music from movies podcasts and 
books?

thanks.
Lorie

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RE: buying digital music

[M. Taylor]

Hello Lorie,

I completely agree with you; I always buy any song that I like, for the same 
purpose as you described.

Also like you, I experience nothing but frustration when searching for songs on 
Amazon, these days.  It's quite a shame because, once upon a time, Amazon made 
it so easy to search, sample, and purchase music.

However, like Apple, Amazon wants people to subscribe to its music service 
rather than purchase music.

While I have purchased many television episodes, series, and movies from 
iTunes, it has been over 12 years since last I purchased a song from Apple.  

Mark

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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 5:21 PM
To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
Subject: buying digital music

I still mostly buy my music. I like to have it in my computer and put it 
wherever else I want it. I looked up an album I want on Amazon and I just can't 
figure out that system any more. it's got so much clutter the only thing I 
can't find in there is what I'm looking for. it's just amazing how convoluted 
it has become. is there anything that can be done to make it more manageable on 
a Mac?

so then I looked up this album on iTunes using my phone. I found it pretty 
quickly and could read all the song titles but I don't know how to buy it. I 
couldn't find a "buy" button or anything of that sort. could this be done on my 
Mac? is it easier now that osx has separated music from movies podcasts and 
books?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: A problem with Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

I’ve never found it necessary to do a clean install.
I just do the regular update, and I’ve never had a problem, plus all my 
settings carry forward to the new version.

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On Oct 31, 2021, at 20:30, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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I am using a Mac mini from 2019. I did not do a clean install.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:47 PM, matthew dyer  
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> Hi,
> 
> Not seeing this here.  First off, what kind of Mac are you using?  MBP? Air, 
> or something else.  Also, are you using an intelligent or M1?  I find that if 
> doing a clean install of any major os clears up; any problems that might come 
> up.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
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>> I upgraded last night and all seems to be well with the exception of Music. 
>> When I try to go into a playlist from the sidebar, Music stops responding. 
>> Anyone see this and know what may be happening?
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: Battery Status Report By Siri in Monterey?

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You should be able to find your current battery status in the Menu Extras area, 
accessed by pressing VO + M twice..

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On Oct 31, 2021, at 20:56,   
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Hi.
For me, Battery Status report By Siri in Monterey is not available, do you 
think so too?
Thanks!
 

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Battery Status Report By Siri in Monterey?

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Hi.

For me, Battery Status report By Siri in Monterey is not available, do you
think so too?

Thanks!

 

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Re: A problem with Monterey

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I am using a Mac mini from 2019. I did not do a clean install.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:47 PM, matthew dyer  
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> up.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:01 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I upgraded last night and all seems to be well with the exception of Music. 
>> When I try to go into a playlist from the sidebar, Music stops responding. 
>> Anyone see this and know what may be happening?
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: buying digital music

[Brad Snyder]

When using iTunes on your phone, select and do a one finger double tap on the 
price. That is the buy button.

As for Amazon, try using the Amazon app for iOS on your phone. It's a lot less 
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On Oct 31, 2021, at 19:21, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I still mostly buy my music. I like to have it in my computer and put it 
wherever else I want it. I looked up an album I want on Amazon and I just can't 
figure out that system any more. it's got so much clutter the only thing I 
can't find in there is what I'm looking for. it's just amazing how convoluted 
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a Mac?

so then I looked up this album on iTunes using my phone. I found it pretty 
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Mac? is it easier now that osx has separated music from movies podcasts and 
books?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Yet another question; this time about calendar

[Brad Snyder]

I'm guessing you snoozed it instead of closing it. 

- Brad -

On Oct 31, 2021, at 19:21, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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Thank you. What I don’t understand is why, no matter how many times we 
dismissed it, it keeps coming back. That’s the real issue.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
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> Hello,
> Use the command vo plus command plus spacebar when you hear the calendar 
> announcement. This will bring up a list of actions you can take on the 
> notification. You can then arrow down to close and select it. This should 
> make the notification go away.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
>> the computer, because it is constant. Anyone got a suggestion?
>> 
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Re: Turning Voiceover On at startup

[Brad Snyder]

I wrote it. It's original content.

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On Oct 31, 2021, at 19:11, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
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Thank you very much for this. I’m wondering if you can tell me where you 
pasted it from.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> See the following to enable VoiceOver at the Mac’s log in screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> Setting VoiceOver to Speak on the Mac's Login Screen
> 
> Note:  If you want VoiceOver to speak at the Log On screen, you must first go 
> to System Preferences > Security & Privacy, and disable File Vault, then do 
> the following steps.
> 
> IF using Big Sur, Catalina, or another recent version of macOS, do the 
> following to set VoiceOver to speak at the log on screen.
> 
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  Navigate to the Lock, and press VO + Spacebar, then enter your Mac’s 
> admin password in order to make changes.
> 3.  Navigate to the Users, Groups & Login Options table, and interact using 
> VO + Shift + DownArrow.
> 4.  Once in the table, navigate to Login Options.  This is the last item in 
> the table.
> 5.  Use VO + Shift + UpArrow to stop interacting with the table.
> 6.  Use VO + RightArrow to navigate to the button labeled Accessibility 
> Options, and press VO + Spacebar.
> 7.  You have now opened a dialog box with a table containing Accessibility 
> Option that may be enable at the Login screen.  Interact with the table using 
> VO + Shift + DownArrow.  You will find that VoiceOver is the first item on 
> the list of options.  Use VO + Spacebar to select this option, or any other 
> option you wish to enable at the Login screen.
> 8.  Stop interacting with the table, and navigate to the Apply button, and 
> press VO + Spacebar.  The dialog will close.
> 9.  Press CMD + Q, to close System Preferences, and you are done.
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2021, at 19:05, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I can’t remember where to go to do this. My friend would like it to start at 
> the log-in screen, and even after much scouring of my brain I can’t remember 
> where that setting lurks.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Yet another question; this time about calendar

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you. What I don’t understand is why, no matter how many times we 
dismissed it, it keeps coming back. That’s the real issue.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Use the command vo plus command plus spacebar when you hear the calendar 
> announcement. This will bring up a list of actions you can take on the 
> notification. You can then arrow down to close and select it. This should 
> make the notification go away.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
>> the computer, because it is constant. Anyone got a suggestion?
>> 
>> Kristeen
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buying digital music

[Lorie McCloud]

I still mostly buy my music. I like to have it in my computer and put it 
wherever else I want it. I looked up an album I want on Amazon and I just can't 
figure out that system any more. it's got so much clutter the only thing I 
can't find in there is what I'm looking for. it's just amazing how convoluted 
it has become. is there anything that can be done to make it more manageable on 
a Mac?

so then I looked up this album on iTunes using my phone. I found it pretty 
quickly and could read all the song titles but I don't know how to buy it. I 
couldn't find a "buy" button or anything of that sort. could this be done on my 
Mac? is it easier now that osx has separated music from movies podcasts and 
books?

thanks.
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Re: renaming playlists on monterey

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

When in the scroll area for the playlist, interact with the Header group.  
There will be a text field with the current name of the playlist.  This is an 
editable field.  Rename it there.

Later…


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> On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Patrick Ford  wrote:
> 
> Hi, There used to be in previous systems a rename option within the more 
> button at the playlist - but now with monterey  this option is absent - does 
> anyone use playlists on apple music on a mac and know where the rename iption 
> is located now?
> Thanks.
> Patrick 
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Re: Turning Voiceover On at startup

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you very much for this. I’m wondering if you can tell me where you pasted 
it from.

Kristeen


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:59 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> See the following to enable VoiceOver at the Mac’s log in screen.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> Setting VoiceOver to Speak on the Mac's Login Screen
> 
> Note:  If you want VoiceOver to speak at the Log On screen, you must first go 
> to System Preferences > Security & Privacy, and disable File Vault, then do 
> the following steps.
> 
> IF using Big Sur, Catalina, or another recent version of macOS, do the 
> following to set VoiceOver to speak at the log on screen.
> 
> 1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
> 2.  Navigate to the Lock, and press VO + Spacebar, then enter your Mac’s 
> admin password in order to make changes.
> 3.  Navigate to the Users, Groups & Login Options table, and interact using 
> VO + Shift + DownArrow.
> 4.  Once in the table, navigate to Login Options.  This is the last item in 
> the table.
> 5.  Use VO + Shift + UpArrow to stop interacting with the table.
> 6.  Use VO + RightArrow to navigate to the button labeled Accessibility 
> Options, and press VO + Spacebar.
> 7.  You have now opened a dialog box with a table containing Accessibility 
> Option that may be enable at the Login screen.  Interact with the table using 
> VO + Shift + DownArrow.  You will find that VoiceOver is the first item on 
> the list of options.  Use VO + Spacebar to select this option, or any other 
> option you wish to enable at the Login screen.
> 8.  Stop interacting with the table, and navigate to the Apply button, and 
> press VO + Spacebar.  The dialog will close.
> 9.  Press CMD + Q, to close System Preferences, and you are done.
> 
> 
> On Oct 30, 2021, at 19:05, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I can’t remember where to go to do this. My friend would like it to start at 
> the log-in screen, and even after much scouring of my brain I can’t remember 
> where that setting lurks.
> 
> Kristeen
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Re: Yet another question; this time about calendar

[Brad Snyder]

I didn’t think banner notifications appeared in the notifications panel.

- Brad -


On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:21, Herbie Allen  wrote:

You can also do VO O at any time to bring up the notification center and 
dismiss it that way.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 14:43, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Use the command vo plus command plus spacebar when you hear the calendar 
> announcement. This will bring up a list of actions you can take on the 
> notification. You can then arrow down to close and select it. This should 
> make the notification go away.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 3:36 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
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>> Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
>> the computer, because it is constant. Anyone got a suggestion?
>> 
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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Hi,
Try this link for a Mac version of Pontse Media Downloader.
https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Paul Hopewell
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:10 PM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: how to download a youtube video

Hello,
I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
this location where we have no Internet access.
Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an iPhone 
or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter and an HDMI 
cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about once every 
month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I could 
then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest software. Many 
thanks for any tips.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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RE: how to download a youtube video

[Rebecca Skipper]

Actually, 
Pontse Media downloader is a free app for the Mac and windows that can download 
YouTube videos and convert them to audio or allow you to download the original 
video.
https://blindhelp.net/software/ponce-media-downloader
the official page for this program is https://www.pontes.ro/en/scripts/#pmd.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
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Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 4:20 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: how to download a youtube video

The easiest way if you want the actual video is to subscribe to Youtube 
premium. One of the benefits besides no commercials is the ability to download 
videos in the app for offline playback. It’s about $10 a month. You just open 
the video you want and there’s a download button.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:10, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
> this location where we have no Internet access.
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about 
> once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
> software. Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Brad Snyder]

There should have been no reason to purchase a mouse from Apple.  Any mouse 
will do.  I have several around the house.  I just used one that was in my 
desk.  It was no big deal once I figured out what I needed to do.

- Brad -


On Oct 31, 2021, at 14:34, matthew dyer  wrote:

Hi,

I find this an accessibility regression.  I went ahead and bought a mouse from 
apple and connected it to my Mac mini and then did the install.  It was a pain. 
 I feel that having a mouse just to get things going is a regression in my book.

Matthew



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> By the way, this is not just an issue with macOS Monterey.
> The 24 inch M1 iMac I was setting up was running macOS Big Sur.
> Not sure when Apple began requiring that a mouse be connected when setting up 
> or upgrading a Mac, but it was definitely before macOS Monterey.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:05, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
> expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
> Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
> anymore or what would be required here.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there 
>> is no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once 
>> you get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need 
>> to connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
>>> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I 
>>> would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you 
>>> do not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has 
>>> a mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount 
>>> of vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone 
>>> else ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but 
>>> wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I 
>>> think I have an old track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as 
>>> this is an older one from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
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Re: Yet another question; this time about calendar

[Herbie Allen]

You can also do VO O at any time to bring up the notification center and 
dismiss it that way.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 14:43, Greg Wocher  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Use the command vo plus command plus spacebar when you hear the calendar 
> announcement. This will bring up a list of actions you can take on the 
> notification. You can then arrow down to close and select it. This should 
> make the notification go away.
> 
> Greg Wocher
> 
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>> Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
>> the computer, because it is constant. Anyone got a suggestion?
>> 
>> Kristeen
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Re: how to download a youtube video

[Herbie Allen]

The easiest way if you want the actual video is to subscribe to Youtube 
premium. One of the benefits besides no commercials is the ability to download 
videos in the app for offline playback. It’s about $10 a month. You just open 
the video you want and there’s a download button.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:10, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
> From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
> this location where we have no Internet access.
> Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an 
> iPhone or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter 
> and an HDMI cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about 
> once every month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
> I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I 
> could then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest 
> software. Many thanks for any tips.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hello,
This might be a major bug in your view, but it is by definition not a 
regression. This occurred for me in Big Sur, so it is not a issue brought on by 
 the new Operating System.
 
Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 15:34, matthew dyer  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I find this an accessibility regression.  I went ahead and bought a mouse 
> from apple and connected it to my Mac mini and then did the install.  It was 
> a pain.  I feel that having a mouse just to get things going is a regression 
> in my book.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> By the way, this is not just an issue with macOS Monterey.
>> The 24 inch M1 iMac I was setting up was running macOS Big Sur.
>> Not sure when Apple began requiring that a mouse be connected when setting 
>> up or upgrading a Mac, but it was definitely before macOS Monterey.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:05, Phil Halton  wrote:
>> 
>> What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
>> expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
>> Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
>> anymore or what would be required here.
>> 
>> Sent from my IPhone
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there 
>>> is no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once 
>>> you get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need 
>>> to connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
>>> 
 On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
 wrote:
 
 Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB 
 installer and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug 
 that I would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  
 If you do not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up 
 which has a mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  
 No amount of vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  
 Has anyone else ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple 
 accessibility, but wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and found 
 a work around.  I think I have an old track pad around somewhere, but it 
 needs batteries as this is an older one from an older iMac which I no 
 longer have.  
 
 Thanks.
 
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how to download a youtube video

[Paul Hopewell]

Hello,
I belong to a philosophy discussion group which meets in our local library. 
From time to time we would like to show a philosophy related youtube video in 
this location where we have no Internet access.
Can anyone recommend a VO friendly way to download a youtube video to an iPhone 
or iPad which we can then play via an appropriate lightning adapter and an HDMI 
cable on a TV in the location? We will only need to do this about once every 
month or so and hence need a low cost or no cost solution.
I also have an iMac  and if I could download the youtube video to that I could 
then move it to the iPhone or iPad. All are running the latest software. Many 
thanks for any tips.
Best regards … Paul Hopewell

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Re: A problem with Monterey

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

Not seeing this here.  First off, what kind of Mac are you using?  MBP? Air, or 
something else.  Also, are you using an intelligent or M1?  I find that if 
doing a clean install of any major os clears up; any problems that might come 
up.

Matthew



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 2:01 PM, 'Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I upgraded last night and all seems to be well with the exception of Music. 
> When I try to go into a playlist from the sidebar, Music stops responding. 
> Anyone see this and know what may be happening?
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Re: Yet another question; this time about calendar

[Greg Wocher]

Hello,
Use the command vo plus command plus spacebar when you hear the calendar 
announcement. This will bring up a list of actions you can take on the 
notification. You can then arrow down to close and select it. This should make 
the notification go away.

Greg Wocher


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> Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
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Yet another question; this time about calendar

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Calendar continually comes up to tell me it’s Halloween. I can do nothing on 
the computer, because it is constant. Anyone got a suggestion?

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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I find this an accessibility regression.  I went ahead and bought a mouse from 
apple and connected it to my Mac mini and then did the install.  It was a pain. 
 I feel that having a mouse just to get things going is a regression in my book.

Matthew



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 12:41 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> By the way, this is not just an issue with macOS Monterey.
> The 24 inch M1 iMac I was setting up was running macOS Big Sur.
> Not sure when Apple began requiring that a mouse be connected when setting up 
> or upgrading a Mac, but it was definitely before macOS Monterey.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:05, Phil Halton  wrote:
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> What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
> expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
> Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
> anymore or what would be required here.
> 
> Sent from my IPhone
> 
> 
>> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> 
>> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there 
>> is no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once 
>> you get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need 
>> to connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
>>> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I 
>>> would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you 
>>> do not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has 
>>> a mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount 
>>> of vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone 
>>> else ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but 
>>> wanted to see if anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I 
>>> think I have an old track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as 
>>> this is an older one from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
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Re: Monterey Loses Voiceover?

[matthew dyer]

Hi,

I have been using Monterey for a day and have not seen any major issues so far. 
 I am using a 2018 Mac mini and a clean install if that matters.  HTH.

Matthew



> On Oct 31, 2021, at 10:11 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
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> Hi,
> Well, what I have noticed is that when I lift the lid of my MacBook Air, I no 
> longer hear anything from VoiceOver about entering my password. I just touch 
> the power button as I have Touch I.D enabled, and then VoiceOver comes on. I 
> spoke with Apple Accessibility on Friday, and many VoiceOver issues have been 
> reported. I also have had some difficulty with my Logitech k860 keyboard. It 
> does not always respond appropriately to commands I type. Turning off the 
> keyboard and then turning it back on usually resolves any issues I have. I 
> called Logitech and after the rep checked, he informed me that the Logitech 
> keyboards are not totally compatible with Monterey. An update is supposed to 
> be released by Logitech between November 10-15.
> Best,
> 
> Les
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> Since Big Sur, on an Apple M1 chip computer, I have had Voiceover crash all 
>> the time.  I have gone into Voiceover preferences and reset all Voiceover 
>> preferences and it has solved that issue.
>> 
>> A new issue, in Monterey is that, when your computer goes to sleep and 
>> requires a password, Voiceover doesn’t always come on and it doesn’t always 
>> play the clicks to indicate that you are typing in your password.
>> 
>> Try entering your password and hitting enter and see what results you get.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:53 AM, fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi, Group.
>>> I am having a lot of problems with Voiceover ever since I have upgraded to 
>>> Monterey.
>>> One of them is that Monterey does not keep voiceover active for long. After 
>>> few hours of inactivity, Voiceover does not come back and I have to 
>>> restart. Sometimes voiceover does not start with computer and I have to 
>>> start it manually.
>>> I heard that when VO does not come up after remaining inactive for 
>>> sometimes, there is a windows popping up with some sort of image that needs 
>>> to be clicked on. Since VO does not identify this Windows, I can not do 
>>> anything.
>>> Is it me alone having those issues?
>>> Thanks!
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Re: Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Let’s report this.

Andrew

> On 31 Oct 2021, at 13:23, Herbie Allen  wrote:
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> Yes, I have noticed this as well. Rather annoying.
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 06:06, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> exactly the same behavior here in Monterey.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Jürgen
>> 
>>> Am 31.10.2021 um 11:28 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed 
>>> that when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something 
>>> which I would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the 
>>> pasted ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could 
>>> anyone plese confirm this behaviour before I report it?
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
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A problem with Monterey

['Kristeen Hughes' via MacVisionaries]

I upgraded last night and all seems to be well with the exception of Music. 
When I try to go into a playlist from the sidebar, Music stops responding. 
Anyone see this and know what may be happening?

Kristeen

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Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly

[Mickey Quenzer]

You need to set up the accessibility shortcut to be voiceover if you have it 
set up correctly when you see the accessibility shortcut it should say 
“Accessibility ShortcutAccessibility Shortcut, VoiceOver”
If it doesn’t say that, you need to go double tap on that and look down until 
you see the word voice ability voice over and double tap that item to set that 
as a shortcut the shortcut is what happens when you click the side button three 
times.



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From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:01:53 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly

Hi,

You are correct in that you did not say about triple-tapping on the screen.  
That was someone else who was trying to help, so I mentioned that so you did 
not try to do it and find out that it wasn’t what you were looking for.

Yes, using Siri as Dave mentioned is totally an option.  Alternatively, go to 
Settings, Accessibility, then scroll to the bottom of this screen to the 
Accessibility Shortcut item.  Make sure that it is still set to toggle 
VoiceOver on/off.  You only want it to have VoiceOver selected, otherwise it 
will bring up a menu of choices instead of simply turning off/on VoiceOver.

Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:39 AM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi Tim and Dave.

I never mentioned a 3 finger triple tap.  I didn't know of it's excistance.

What I meant to say is that I used to press the home button 3 times rapidly to 
disarm voice over and 4 times to turn it back on.

This allowed my sighted wife to help me create a new contact for example.

I'm not sure how by simply turning the volume of voice over up or down would be 
of help in any circumstances and would still burden the sighted person by it's 
interference.

Incidentally, time mentioned Serie for turning voice over off and on.

Do you mean that I'd press the home button for a few seconds, until I hear a 
tone then say something like "Serie, turn voice over on" or whatever.

Thanks guys for any assistance.

Very best wishes,

Andy Logue.


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From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2021 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Turning voiceover on and off quickly

Hi,

Actually, a three-finger double-tap does not toggle VoiceOver on and off.  The 
three-finger double-tap toggles on/off VoiceOver speech, but VoiceOver gesture 
navigation remains on.  This would be problematic for a sighted user as their 
normal gestures would not work as expected.  Therefore, you could confirm that 
the Accessibility shortcut is still set correctly as Doug suggested, or you 
could use Siri to turn VO on and off.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:45 AM, tim m 
mailto:mrga...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Just do a 3 finger double tap, turns vo on and off.
On 10/19/2021 6:29 AM, 'Andy Logue' via MacVisionaries wrote:
Hi all.

I used to  press the home button, on my iphone, three times to quickly turn 
voice over off or on again, when handing my phone to a sighted user when they 
were helping me.

This no longer seems to work so I've got to go the long way around by going 
into settings, accessability and then voice over.

Can anyone tell me of a quick way of doing this, theses days.

Very best wishes.

Andy Logue.



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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Brad Snyder]

By the way, this is not just an issue with macOS Monterey.
The 24 inch M1 iMac I was setting up was running macOS Big Sur.
Not sure when Apple began requiring that a mouse be connected when setting up 
or upgrading a Mac, but it was definitely before macOS Monterey.

- Brad -

On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:05, Phil Halton  wrote:

What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
anymore or what would be required here.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there is 
> no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once you 
> get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need to 
> connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
>> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I 
>> would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you do 
>> not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has a 
>> mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount of 
>> vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone else 
>> ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but wanted to 
>> see if anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I think I have 
>> an old track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as this is an 
>> older one from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Brad Snyder]

Any mouse or trackpad will work. It could be USB, Bluetooth or any thing else. 
Just so it connects to the Mac and is recognized by the Mac.
Recently, when setting up a 24" M1 iMac, once I realize that I needed a mouse, 
I  G grabbed  a Logitech wireless mouse, with  one of those little dongle 
things that plugs into a USB port. Once I had it connected, problem solved.

- Brad -

On Oct 31, 2021, at 11:05, Phil Halton  wrote:

What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
anymore or what would be required here.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Oct 30, 2021, at 7:30 PM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> 
> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there is 
> no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once you 
> get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need to 
> connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
>> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I 
>> would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you do 
>> not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has a 
>> mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount of 
>> vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone else 
>> ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but wanted to 
>> see if anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I think I have 
>> an old track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as this is an 
>> older one from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
>> 
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Re: Major problem with Monterey installer if you use vo.

[Phil Halton]

What kind of mouse are we talking about here? Well any off the rack an 
expensive USB mouse do the trick or does it need to be some kind of Apple 
Bluetooth mouse? I haven’t used one in so long I don’t know what’s out there 
anymore or what would be required here.

Sent from my IPhone


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> 
> I had the same issue with the Big Sur install as well. As you said, there is 
> no way around it, I have to keep a mouse around for that purpose. Once you 
> get to the install screen you can disconnect it but yes, you will need to 
> connect a mouse or track pad to continue.
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2021, at 9:38 PM, matthew dyer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Evening Mac users.  I have a Mac mini 2018 and just created a USB installer 
>> and was able to boot from it.  However, I have found a major bug that I 
>> would consider  a show stopper if uou want to do a clean install.  If you do 
>> not have a mouse or trackpad, There is a window that comes up which has a 
>> mouse image and a trackpad image that seems to be rotating..  No amount of 
>> vo shift space or any other keystroke will make it go away.  Has anyone else 
>> ran into thisI  intend to report this to apple accessibility, but wanted to 
>> see if anyone else had this problem and found a work around.  I think I have 
>> an old track pad around somewhere, but it needs batteries as this is an 
>> older one from an older iMac which I no longer have.  
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matthew
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Eureka! renaming playlist found

[Patrick Ford]

ok  I simply clicked on the current name of the opened playlist and there it 
was - the edit field to change the name - yay!

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renaming playlists on monterey

[Patrick Ford]

Hi, There used to be in previous systems a rename option within the more button 
at the playlist - but now with monterey  this option is absent - does anyone 
use playlists on apple music on a mac and know where the rename iption is 
located now?
Thanks.
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Re: Monterey Loses Voiceover?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi,
Well, what I have noticed is that when I lift the lid of my MacBook Air, I no 
longer hear anything from VoiceOver about entering my password. I just touch 
the power button as I have Touch I.D enabled, and then VoiceOver comes on. I 
spoke with Apple Accessibility on Friday, and many VoiceOver issues have been 
reported. I also have had some difficulty with my Logitech k860 keyboard. It 
does not always respond appropriately to commands I type. Turning off the 
keyboard and then turning it back on usually resolves any issues I have. I 
called Logitech and after the rep checked, he informed me that the Logitech 
keyboards are not totally compatible with Monterey. An update is supposed to be 
released by Logitech between November 10-15.
Best,

Les

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> Hi there,
> 
> Since Big Sur, on an Apple M1 chip computer, I have had Voiceover crash all 
> the time.  I have gone into Voiceover preferences and reset all Voiceover 
> preferences and it has solved that issue.
> 
> A new issue, in Monterey is that, when your computer goes to sleep and 
> requires a password, Voiceover doesn’t always come on and it doesn’t always 
> play the clicks to indicate that you are typing in your password.
> 
> Try entering your password and hitting enter and see what results you get.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:53 AM, fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Group.
>> I am having a lot of problems with Voiceover ever since I have upgraded to 
>> Monterey.
>> One of them is that Monterey does not keep voiceover active for long. After 
>> few hours of inactivity, Voiceover does not come back and I have to restart. 
>> Sometimes voiceover does not start with computer and I have to start it 
>> manually.
>> I heard that when VO does not come up after remaining inactive for 
>> sometimes, there is a windows popping up with some sort of image that needs 
>> to be clicked on. Since VO does not identify this Windows, I can not do 
>> anything.
>> Is it me alone having those issues?
>> Thanks!
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Re: Monterey Loses Voiceover?

[Jeff Berwick]

Hi there,

Since Big Sur, on an Apple M1 chip computer, I have had Voiceover crash all the 
time.  I have gone into Voiceover preferences and reset all Voiceover 
preferences and it has solved that issue.

A new issue, in Monterey is that, when your computer goes to sleep and requires 
a password, Voiceover doesn’t always come on and it doesn’t always play the 
clicks to indicate that you are typing in your password.

Try entering your password and hitting enter and see what results you get.

Hth,
Jeff


> On Oct 31, 2021, at 9:53 AM, fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I am having a lot of problems with Voiceover ever since I have upgraded to 
> Monterey.
> One of them is that Monterey does not keep voiceover active for long. After 
> few hours of inactivity, Voiceover does not come back and I have to restart. 
> Sometimes voiceover does not start with computer and I have to start it 
> manually.
> I heard that when VO does not come up after remaining inactive for sometimes, 
> there is a windows popping up with some sort of image that needs to be 
> clicked on. Since VO does not identify this Windows, I can not do anything.
> Is it me alone having those issues?
> Thanks!
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Re: Turning Voiceover On at startup

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See the following to enable VoiceOver at the Mac’s log in screen.

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Setting VoiceOver to Speak on the Mac's Login Screen

Note:  If you want VoiceOver to speak at the Log On screen, you must first go 
to System Preferences > Security & Privacy, and disable File Vault, then do the 
following steps.

IF using Big Sur, Catalina, or another recent version of macOS, do the 
following to set VoiceOver to speak at the log on screen.

1.  Go to System Preferences > Users & Groups.
2.  Navigate to the Lock, and press VO + Spacebar, then enter your Mac’s admin 
password in order to make changes.
3.  Navigate to the Users, Groups & Login Options table, and interact using VO 
+ Shift + DownArrow.
4.  Once in the table, navigate to Login Options.  This is the last item in the 
table.
5.  Use VO + Shift + UpArrow to stop interacting with the table.
6.  Use VO + RightArrow to navigate to the button labeled Accessibility 
Options, and press VO + Spacebar.
7.  You have now opened a dialog box with a table containing Accessibility 
Option that may be enable at the Login screen.  Interact with the table using 
VO + Shift + DownArrow.  You will find that VoiceOver is the first item on the 
list of options.  Use VO + Spacebar to select this option, or any other option 
you wish to enable at the Login screen.
8.  Stop interacting with the table, and navigate to the Apply button, and 
press VO + Spacebar.  The dialog will close.
9.  Press CMD + Q, to close System Preferences, and you are done.


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I can’t remember where to go to do this. My friend would like it to start at 
the log-in screen, and even after much scouring of my brain I can’t remember 
where that setting lurks.

Kristeen

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Monterey Loses Voiceover?

[fzlmahmood30]

Hi, Group.

I am having a lot of problems with Voiceover ever since I have upgraded to
Monterey.

One of them is that Monterey does not keep voiceover active for long. After
few hours of inactivity, Voiceover does not come back and I have to restart.
Sometimes voiceover does not start with computer and I have to start it
manually.

I heard that when VO does not come up after remaining inactive for
sometimes, there is a windows popping up with some sort of image that needs
to be clicked on. Since VO does not identify this Windows, I can not do
anything.

Is it me alone having those issues?

Thanks!

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Re: Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

[Herbie Allen]

Yes, I have noticed this as well. Rather annoying.

> On Oct 31, 2021, at 06:06, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
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> Hi Andrew,
> 
> exactly the same behavior here in Monterey.
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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>> Am 31.10.2021 um 11:28 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed 
>> that when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something 
>> which I would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the 
>> pasted ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could 
>> anyone plese confirm this behaviour before I report it?
>> 
>> Andrew 
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Re: Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

[Jürgen Fleger]

Hi Andrew,

exactly the same behavior here in Monterey.

All the best
Jürgen

> Am 31.10.2021 um 11:28 schrieb 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
> :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed 
> that when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something which 
> I would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the pasted 
> ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could anyone plese 
> confirm this behaviour before I report it?
> 
> Andrew 
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Names of attached files aren't read by voiceover in Monterey

['Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

I’ve just sent a couple of attachments in an email to a friend.  I noticed that 
when I have pasted the file into the body of the email - something which I 
would normally do in Mail - voiceover doesn’t read the name of the pasted 
ffile.  It now says “group”,, which is rather unhelpful.  Could anyone plese 
confirm this behaviour before I report it?

Andrew 

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Re: Trying to restore a MacBook Pro

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Hi Dave. That crash sounds very scary. Hopefully it doesn't do that to you 
again. I haven't upgraded to Monterey but I would think Voiceover would start 
talking at startup like it always has. As for me, I'm still on Big Sur 11.2.3 
as I like the way the Siri female voice sounds. In future versions of macOS, 
they've made her sound like she does on the iPhone starting with iOS 12. 
However, you people with M1 Macs are lucky as you can use the neural TTS 
versions of the Siri voices with Voiceover which make them sound more natural. 
So I'll be staying on 11.2.3 until Apple forces me to upgrade.

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> On Oct 31, 2021, at 12:42 AM, Dave Carlson  wrote:
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> Had a major crash on my MacBook Pro. It would not start up after trying to 
> switch from one operating system to another. Only the Apple came up, and then 
> an apple with a line through it and then it would shut off again. I found out 
> that I need to hold down option plus command plus are during the start up. I 
> did that, and after my wife helped with selecting a Wi-Fi network and the 
> passphrase, it is now showing that it is progressing. Can anyone tell me what 
> I would need to do next, or if it will complete itself and come back up with 
> voiceover speaking? Any help greatly appreciate it. 
> 
> Dave Carlson
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