Re: 2factor Authentication

[Lorie McCloud]

ok. this is good because I check the option to use my cell phone number.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:57 PM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Brad, if one does not receive the code, there is an option to have a code 
> texted. I know this, because I had to help a friend with his Apple ID once 
> before.
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>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
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>> The codes do not show up as a text message.
>> The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
>> message on my Mac.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
>>> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
>>> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
>>> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
>>> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
>>> for 2 Factor Verification.
>>> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication 
>>> accidentally. this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. 
>>> it used my cell phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to 
>>> use it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[joseph hudson]

Brad, if one does not receive the code, there is an option to have a code 
texted. I know this, because I had to help a friend with his Apple ID once 
before.
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> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The codes do not show up as a text message.
> The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
> message on my Mac.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
>> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
>> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
>> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
>> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
>> for 2 Factor Verification.
>> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
>> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
>> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[joseph hudson]

No, it will be a pop-up that pops up on your Mac when your Mac is awake. And if 
your Mac is not awake once it becomes awake it will pop right up.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> so if I check for notifications they should be there? or do they only last 
> for a certain period of time? the first time I did this, my Mac was asleep 
> because I didn't know they were going to do it that way. I woke it up and 
> checked notifications but nothing was there.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The codes do not show up as a text message.
>> The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
>> message on my Mac.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
>>> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
>>> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
>>> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
>>> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
>>> for 2 Factor Verification.
>>> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication 
>>> accidentally. this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. 
>>> it used my cell phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to 
>>> use it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[joseph hudson]

Well if you were going to sign in from your phone, and you didn't have another 
device to check, you could always use the text me a code option.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 5:11 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> suppose I'm away from my Mac and I have my phone with me. would I be unable 
> to sign into iCloud on my phone because I didn't have another device nearby 
> that I could check?
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 1:22 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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>> Hi Lori, Wayne another device is trying to sign into your iCloud, it will 
>> send a verification code to Eva that phone number or send you a push 
>> notification. Once you receive the push notification on the new device that 
>> you're trying to sign in on, it will ask you for that code. After you put in 
>> the code, then your new device will work as expected.
>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>>> 
>>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication 
>>> accidentally. this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. 
>>> it used my cell phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to 
>>> use it?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

It generally isn’t a problem, in that the iPhone and iPad will stay signed into 
iCloud for a very long time – perhaps indefinitely.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
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Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 18:30
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Subject: Re: 2factor Authentication
Yes.

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On Dec 29, 2021, at 17:11, Lorie McCloud 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:

suppose I'm away from my Mac and I have my phone with me. would I be unable to 
sign into iCloud on my phone because I didn't have another device nearby that I 
could check?


On Dec 29, 2021, at 1:22 AM, joseph hudson 
mailto:jhud7...@twc.com>> wrote:

Hi Lori, Wayne another device is trying to sign into your iCloud, it will send 
a verification code to Eva that phone number or send you a push notification. 
Once you receive the push notification on the new device that you're trying to 
sign in on, it will ask you for that code. After you put in the code, then your 
new device will work as expected.


On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Lorie McCloud 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:

another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: 2factor Authentication

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Yes.

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On Dec 29, 2021, at 17:11, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

suppose I'm away from my Mac and I have my phone with me. would I be unable to 
sign into iCloud on my phone because I didn't have another device nearby that I 
could check?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 1:22 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hi Lori, Wayne another device is trying to sign into your iCloud, it will 
> send a verification code to Eva that phone number or send you a push 
> notification. Once you receive the push notification on the new device that 
> you're trying to sign in on, it will ask you for that code. After you put in 
> the code, then your new device will work as expected.
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
>> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
>> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[Brad Snyder]

The 2 Factor notifications are not like regular notifications.
They will appear on your screen, and automatically go away when dismissed. 

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On Dec 29, 2021, at 17:06, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

so if I check for notifications they should be there? or do they only last for 
a certain period of time? the first time I did this, my Mac was asleep because 
I didn't know they were going to do it that way. I woke it up and checked 
notifications but nothing was there.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> The codes do not show up as a text message.
> The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
> message on my Mac.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
>> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
>> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
>> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
>> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
>> for 2 Factor Verification.
>> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
>> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
>> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[Lorie McCloud]

suppose I'm away from my Mac and I have my phone with me. would I be unable to 
sign into iCloud on my phone because I didn't have another device nearby that I 
could check?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 1:22 AM, joseph hudson  wrote:
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> Hi Lori, Wayne another device is trying to sign into your iCloud, it will 
> send a verification code to Eva that phone number or send you a push 
> notification. Once you receive the push notification on the new device that 
> you're trying to sign in on, it will ask you for that code. After you put in 
> the code, then your new device will work as expected.
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:14 PM, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
>> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
>> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[Lorie McCloud]

so if I check for notifications they should be there? or do they only last for 
a certain period of time? the first time I did this, my Mac was asleep because 
I didn't know they were going to do it that way. I woke it up and checked 
notifications but nothing was there.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:38 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The codes do not show up as a text message.
> The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
> message on my Mac.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
>> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
>> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
>> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
>> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
>> for 2 Factor Verification.
>> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
>> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
>> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Lorie McCloud]

I just didn't know anything about favorites. never used them or looked at them.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 4:48 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
> This is nothing new.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
> how often they're used?
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

Some Favorites may be in the Favorites area by default.  Others must be added.
This is nothing new.

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:30, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: trouble upgrading MacBook Pro 2019 to Monterey

[Raul Gallegos]

Hi all. Well, still no go. I also thought that it might be some kind of 
authentication prompt. However, trying out FN+VO+1,1 on this MBP 2019 
did not work either. It showed me the available windows to switch into 
and non e were a password prompt. I contacted Apple accessibility and 
the person was equally stumped. He tried directing me to download the OS 
update from the App Store instead of using the Update section from About 
my Mac and that did not work either. he tried having me download an 
earlier OS but it was not found in the App Store either. Brad, if your 
offer of Catalina is still good, let's make that happen and I can try 
this way. The Apple rep got a screen shot of the null screen when the 
update is trying to process and the issue was escalated. So far, I am 
waiting to hear back from them. Maybe this Friday, maybe next week. I 
also found a guide on installing the update using a bootable USB drive, 
but I can't get the Mac to boot from the drive even though I gave it 
what I think are the right terminal commands. The guide I found is from 
this site: 
https://www.cleverfiles.com/howto/clean-install-macos-monterey.html



Meanwhile, things are working fine with Mohave. However, if this mystery 
can be solved, that will be wonderful.




If there are other ideas, please let me know.


On 12/27/2021 6:49 PM, Brad Snyder wrote:

I agree.  This is so obvious, I should have thought of this myself.
/
- Brad -/




On Dec 27, 2021, at 10:59, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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Hi,

I suspect that it’s asking you to enter your password for the 
computer.  Upgrading from Mojave to Monterey is perfectly normal and 
supported.  If just entering your password then pressing return does 
not get it started, use the Application Chooser, VO-f1-f1, down to 
system Dialogs, and there should be an authentication dialog waiting 
for your attention.


Later…


Tim Kilburn
Jamf Certified Tech
Apple Professional Learning Specialist
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On Dec 27, 2021, at 09:15, Herbie Allen  wrote:

I was thinking the same thing, although the Apple help page makes it 
sound like you should be able to upgrade directly from Mohave.



On Dec 27, 2021, at 10:08, Brad Snyder  wrote:

I would try updating to macOS Catalina first, and then do the update 
to Monterey.
If you have a problem finding the Catalina installer, contact me off 
list, and I can get it to you.


HTH.

- Brad -

On Dec 27, 2021, at 09:14, Raul Gallegos  wrote:

Hello everyone, I have recently purchased a MacBook Pro 2019 from 
someone who has upgraded to something else. This Mac was reset to 
all factory defaults and there are no problems there. It is 
currently using Mohave and is running fine. I am trying to upgrade 
it to the Monterey OS but running into a snag. After the download is 
done and I choose to upgrade, the standard Agree of license terms 
comes up. I do that, and then it gets stuck on checking with (null), 
no percentage. No other windows seem to be open. I have tried 
shutting it down and starting over, I have removed the install icon 
from the Applications finder folder and re-downloaded the 12 GB size 
file, and I have connected and reconnected it to the WiFi. Still, no 
go. Do others have ideas of what else I may be able to try? I have 
not done any other kind of configuration or customization other than 
the standard Apple ID and one Gmail account on it, so if I need to 
erase it completely and start all over, no data will get lost.



Thanks all for any suggestions you may offer.


/Raul


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Re: 2factor Authentication

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The codes do not show up as a text message.
The codes arrive as a system notification alert on either device.

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On Dec 29, 2021, at 16:29, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
message on my Mac.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
> for 2 Factor Verification.
> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
> 
> thanks.
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Lorie McCloud]

do you have to put things in favorites or do they just appear there based on 
how often they're used?

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[Lorie McCloud]

if it wants to send a code to my Mac, where does it go? I don't have text 
message on my Mac.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 8:36 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
> When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your 
> authorized devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this 
> code in to the device that is requesting the verification code, before you 
> will be allowed to proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need 
> for 2 Factor Verification.
> This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud  > wrote:
> 
> another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
> this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
> phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

The behavior I described has been true for all versions of Apple mail, going 
back for as long as I have been using a Mac. This is not something that's new 
in either Big Sur or Monterey.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 15:04, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Oh, I see what you’re talking about.  If I don’t use VO keys, the only thing 
the arrow keys do is expand and collapse the mailbox.  Again, this is in Big 
Sur.
Cheers,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 12:35 PM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
> Arrow keys).
> If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
> keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
> When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
> headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
> These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
> navigation commands.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:38, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the 
> mailboxes expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
>> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
>> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
>> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  
>> I am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
>> 
>> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
>> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: 2factor Authentication

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

It’s also a major security improvement compared with passwords alone. I would 
recommend setting up two-factor authentication for every account that supports 
it.
Note the new feature in the password settings of Mac OS Monterey that allows 
the Mac to generate the codes used for two-factor authentication by various Web 
sites. It supports time-based one-time passwords, which are commonly used as 
the second authentication factor.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
behalf of Brad Snyder 
Date: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 at 09:36
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: 2factor Authentication
2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your authorized 
devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this code in to the 
device that is requesting the verification code, before you will be allowed to 
proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need for 2 Factor 
Verification.
This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.

HTH.

- Brad -



On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud 
mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:

another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

After interacting, you need to use VoiceOver navigation (i.e. VO + Right/Left 
Arrow keys).
If you interact, and then use non-VoiceOver navigation (i.e. up/Down Arrow 
keys), you are navigating the same as without interacting.
When interacting, and then using VoiceOver navigation, you will discover 
headings for each mailbox group, as well as each mail account group.
These group headings are not read by voiceOver if you do not use VoiceOver 
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HTH.


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 wrote:

Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hmm.  Interacting, things look pretty much the same.  But I have the mailboxes 
expanded, so maybe that’s the difference.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> 1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not 
> find the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is 
> collapse, you will not be informed of this information.
> I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
> am sure you will find things you did not know were there.
> 
> 2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
> unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

1.  If you do not interact with the Mailbox list, I guaranty you will not find 
the category headings.  If a group of mailboxes or an account is collapse, you 
will not be informed of this information.
I suggest you try interacting with the Mailbox list, and explore the list.  I 
am sure you will find things you did not know were there.

2.  You can turn off Conversation view by going to the Menu bar > View, and 
unchecking the item labeled "Organize By Conversation".

- Brad -




On Dec 29, 2021, at 09:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Alia,

Thanks.  I’d disabled it in the View Menu in All Inboxes, but didn’t realize I 
needed to do that for each mailbox.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:11 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
> 
> nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
> conversations.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
>> 
>> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
>> Monterrey will those things change?
>> 
>> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
>> conversation view?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Brad,
>>> 
>>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >>> > wrote:
 
 The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
 Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
 The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
 of the Mailbox list.
 The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
 Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
 These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
 if you wish.
 Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located 
 on your Mac.
 Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
 active in your Apple Mail client.
 If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
 above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
 DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
 When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
 group and each mail account..
 If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can 
 expand it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any 
 group as well.
 
 HTH.
 
 - Brad -
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >>> > wrote:
 
 I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
 Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
 say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
 think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
 
 thanks.
 Lorie
 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[alia robinson]

nothing should change too much if you upgrade. go to the view menu to disable 
conversations.

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:43 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.
> 
> 1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
> list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
> Monterrey will those things change?
> 
> 2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
> conversation view?
> TIA,
> Donna
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
>> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
>> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
>> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Brad,
>> 
>> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
>> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
>> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
>> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top 
>>> of the Mailbox list.
>>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account 
>>> if you wish.
>>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>>> your Mac.
>>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>>> group and each mail account..
>>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>>> well.
>>> 
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> Lorie
>>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all,

So I have a couple of questions related to this thread.

1.  I’m still running Big Sur.  I do not have to interact with the mailbox 
list, and first letter navigation works great for me.  If I upgrade to 
Monterrey will those things change?

2.  In Big Sur—and Monterrey for that matter—is there any way to disable 
conversation view?
TIA,
Donna

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
> other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
> other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
> and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Les Kriegler]

Yes, I often do not interact with the mailbox table. That might be why I’m not 
seeing it. I like to use first letter navigation when I can. I have to Mail 
accounts and I can generally jump between them using that method when I am in 
the mailbox list. It beats using the up-and-down arrows which I also have to do 
sometimes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 10:24 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like 
> any other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with 
> any other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox 
> list, and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one 
> locate the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s 
> probably not a mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud 
> pops up. But I don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>>> 
>> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
>> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
>> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
>> the Mailbox list.
>> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
>> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
>> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
>> you wish.
>> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
>> your Mac.
>> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
>> active in your Apple Mail client.
>> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described 
>> above, be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + 
>> DownArrow, and then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
>> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox 
>> group and each mail account..
>> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
>> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
>> well.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
>> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
>> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
>> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
>> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

I don't use iCloud mail, however, iCloud mail should be treated just like any 
other mail account. If you have it active, it will be in the list with any 
other mail account you have acted vated. just interact with the mailbox list, 
and use voiceover navigation. If it's there, you should find it.

- Brad -

On Dec 29, 2021, at 08:40, Les Kriegler  wrote:


Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Brad,

I have a question which I believe Lauri may have mentioned. How does one locate 
the iCloud mailbox. I probably have the wrong terminology, it’s probably not a 
mailbox. I have seen it when I tried to move messages iCloud pops up. But I 
don’t find it in the list of mailboxes and folders. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 29, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big 
> Sur.  There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
> The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
> the Mailbox list.
> The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent 
> Items, for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
> These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
> you wish.
> Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
> your Mac.
> Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
> active in your Apple Mail client.
> If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
> be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
> then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
> When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
> and each mail account..
> If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand 
> it using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as 
> well.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
> 
> I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in 
> Apple mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't 
> say the name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I 
> think I just can't find iCloud. how does this work?
> 
> thanks.
> Lorie
> 
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Re: 2factor Authentication

[Brad Snyder]

2 Factor Authentication is now required by apple.
When necessary, you will receive a verification code on one of your authorized 
devices signed into your Apple ID.  You will need to enter this code in to the 
device that is requesting the verification code, before you will be allowed to 
proceed with whatever it is that has generated the need for 2 Factor 
Verification.
This usually is required when signing in to a device using your Apple ID.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:14, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

another question, I seem to have set up 2factor authentication accidentally. 
this doesn't surprise me as I know this is what Apple wants. it used my cell 
phone number which is ok. how does this work if I need to use it?

thanks.
Lorie

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Re: Apple mail in Monterey

[Brad Snyder]

The layout of the Mailbox list did change a little beginning in macOS Big Sur.  
There was no change between Big Sur and Monterey.
The primary difference is that Favorite folders are now listed at the top of 
the Mailbox list.
The Favorites area may contains combined folders, such as Inbox and Sent Items, 
for each mail account you have active in the Mail app.
These combined folders can be expanded to reveal folders for each account if 
you wish.
Below the Favorites, you will find Smart Mailboxes and mailboxes located on 
your Mac.
Below these mailboxes, you should find mailboxes for each account you have 
active in your Apple Mail client.
If you are having difficulty locating any of these mailboxes described above, 
be sure you interact with the Mailbox list using VO + Shift + DownArrow, and 
then use VoiceOver navigation to explore the list.
When using VoiceOver navigation, you will find heading for each mailbox group 
and each mail account..
If a group of mailboxes, or mail account group is collapsed, you can expand it 
using VO + Spacebar.  This action can be used to collapse any group as well.

HTH.

- Brad -




On Dec 28, 2021, at 23:10, Lorie McCloud  wrote:

I just installed Monterey and I notice that there are some differences in Apple 
mail. I can only find 1 inbox but I have 2 mail accounts. vo doesn't say the 
name of the inbox as it used to. I'm not sure they're together. I think I just 
can't find iCloud. how does this work?

thanks.
Lorie

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