Re: Mantis q40.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

It works via bloothooth with the iPad and iPhone but yes sometimes issues with 
bluetooth and the Mac itself  

> On 21 Apr 2024, at 05:18, Gabe Griffith  wrote:
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> Hi Anders, 
> 
> I have a Mantis and love it. The only issue I'm aware of with it and the Mac 
> is that I believe it only works over USB. There was an update a few weeks ago 
> that could have chanered that but I don't think so. 
> 
> Gabe 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2024, at 8:40 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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>> Hi!
>> I am going to get a Mantis q40 and I can finally dig my ergonomic issues I 
>> have had with braille displays and querty keyboards.
>> Just a question.
>> Are there any glitches or issues with the Mac and the mantis?
>> And if so are these issues easy enough to resolve.
>> Bless.
>> /A
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Re: Question about outlook

[Julie Rattray]

There is an outlook app for ipdad and iPhone which works really well 

> On 20 Jan 2024, at 00:28, roni mathew  wrote:
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> I agree as well; Outlook is so well integrated, and much easier to scroll 
> through built-in lists and menus. Not to mention, the intouface is generally 
> more snappy, since one is not dealing with the web constantly loading, and  
> navigating around to locate specific edit boxes or buttons is not a concern 
> in outlook.
> The one drawback is that accessing mail anywhere else but one’s own computer 
> will be a much harder learning curve, if all that is used is outlook. I will 
> regularly force myself to use gmail on the web in standard view, knowing of 
> course, is less efficient than outlook, Apple mail or even basic html gmai  
> Roni Mathew Jan 19, 2024, at 5:00 PM, Brandon Olivares 
> mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> 
>> Outlook works extremely well on the Mac. I’m using it now to reply to this.
>>  
>> To start a new email, press cmd+option+n. To send the message, press 
>> cmd+enter. To reply, it’s just cmd+R like in Mail. It’s all very simple.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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>> mailto:beckyas...@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:55 PM
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>> Subject: Question about outlook
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>> Hi all,
>> I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
>> university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the 
>> commands to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  
>> Also what is the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
>> Thank you all 
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Re: Question about outlook

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Yes I use outlook as well - because I work at a university and we use office 
365 - when we switched to this there was something about it not being an 
exchange account anymore so Mac mail didn’t work - but can’t remember why - it 
might be something to do with authentication - and it might work again now I 
switched a while ago.

One thing I would say is that with outlook you have two choices a webmail 
client or a desktop version - I find the desktop version much easier to use - 
but it does have a few limitations but these relate to things like creating 
groups - and this could also be linked to the settings enabled by the employer.

So this was a bit of a ramble but really just want to echo that it does work 
and actually fairly well.  

> On 19 Jan 2024, at 22:00, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
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> Outlook works extremely well on the Mac. I’m using it now to reply to this.
>  
> To start a new email, press cmd+option+n. To send the message, press 
> cmd+enter. To reply, it’s just cmd+R like in Mail. It’s all very simple.
>  
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> Date: Friday, January 19, 2024 at 3:55 PM
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> Subject: Question about outlook
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> Hi all,
> I have a couple of questions .  I have to use outlook for email through my 
> university.  I am using a Mac computer.  I was wondering what are the 
> commands to send a message?  What is the command to create a new message?  
> Also what is the command to reply back to a email in outlook?
> Thank you all 
> Becky Sabo 
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Re: A question about accessibility of Microsoft teams on an M2 MacBook Pro, 2022

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

It is accessible but I find it fairly clunky if I am honest I find using Teams 
on the iPad more intuitive but the MacBook versions will work but you need to 
spend some time playing with the screens etc and practice navigating. I think a 
while ago someone posted a link to a help doc from Microsoft but not sure where 
that is now   

> On 23 Oct 2023, at 14:30, Maurice A. Mines  wrote:
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> Hello everyone, a meeting that I’ve been attending for a very long time. The 
> host has decided that she wants to go in a different direction. She wants to 
> use Microsoft teams is this even usable with voiceover? I am wanting to make 
> certain that it is and if it’s not, how do I address it? Definitely looking 
> for some suggestions and potential answers. I’m doing this for before I have 
> the problem. I have the balance of the week this out.? Please feel free if 
> this is not white chain to the left to write me at the email address that is 
> listed in my signature.  Thanks for reading this, and have an excellent day. 
> Please note that this is being dictated to the phone so somethings might not 
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Re: Working with textboxes in Microsoft Word on mac

[Julie Rattray]

Yes they really drive me round the twist sometimes - as from my experience so 
many screen readers seem simply to jump over them and pretend they are not 
there!

> On 1 Aug 2023, at 14:08, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
> 
> I would be interested as well. Thank you so much to anyone who can figure 
> this out. Text boxes are the bane of my existence! I need to read so many 
> documents that include them. Have a great day, Suzanne.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 1, 2023, at 09:01, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would be interested in this answer as I have honestly never found a way 
>> 
>>> On 15 Jul 2023, at 09:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to work successfully with textboxes in Ms Word on the mac?  
>>> I mean move from one box to another, read its content and / or write in 
>>> them?  I have to fill in a questionnaire which is full of textboxes and I 
>>> have no idea how to complete the task.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for any tips.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
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Re: Chat GPT, Anyone?

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I have used it a bit and whilst it can do some really useful stuff - I got some 
of my students to use it to create a writing frame for an essay so they could 
think about structure. It does have limits when you are asking about certain 
topics and it gets things wrong - this is because it is text based and works on 
the idea of common language patterns etc so it is a language generator - it 
doesn’t search the web in that sense for information from different websites. 
So it makes mistakes - it told me I wrote an academic paper that I didn’t 
actually write - I wrote something similar but not the one it suggested.

We have been talking about it a lot at work because it has opened up a huge 
debate in Higher education about its use by students for essay writing etc - 
what I would say for now is that it can generate a not bad undergraduate 
descriptive essay but not anything too sophisticated. I did get it - as a trial 
- to create a conference presentation for me - but actually when you read 
through it it just kept repeating the same idea over and over with different 
phrasing. 

> On 11 Jul 2023, at 03:39, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> Just so you know, I am posting this to both lists.
> 
> So I keep running into all kinds of news articles on Chat GPT, a product
> from the Open A I project.
> 
> Has anyone downloaded the app from the App Store and, if so, are you finding
> it as amazing as some of the news reporters from USA Today and the
> Wallstreet Journal?  
> 
> I went to the website at chat.openai.com to see what I could find.  I did
> not find much; I'll have to download the app to really check it out.
> 
> Oh, the article I read today, in the Apple News app talked about how Chat
> GPT planned the writer's vacation itinerary and did a pretty good job of it,
> apparently.
> 
> I look forward to reading your replies,
> 
> Mark
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Re: Working with textboxes in Microsoft Word on mac

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I would be interested in this answer as I have honestly never found a way 

> On 15 Jul 2023, at 09:47, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> Is it possible to work successfully with textboxes in Ms Word on the mac?  I 
> mean move from one box to another, read its content and / or write in them?  
> I have to fill in a questionnaire which is full of textboxes and I have no 
> idea how to complete the task.
> 
> Many thanks for any tips.
> 
> Andrew 
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Re: Accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Julie Rattray]

Re teams if you use ms outlook for your calendar you can schedule teams 
meetings from there - interestingly I find teams on my iPad more accessible 
than on my laptop - but speaking to friends who use teams on Windows machines 
with Jaws they have similar issues.

> On 25 Jan 2023, at 18:44, Suzanne Erb  wrote:
> 
> I have found that I can read Microsoft materials just fine on my Mac, and I 
> can save materials written in Pages, Numbers, etc., as Microsoft Word or 
> Excel formats, whichever is necessary.  
>   Microsoft Teams is a bit of a problem, but then again, Teams takes some 
> getting used to, and Microsoft should address this.
> I can participate in meetings using Teams, but I have not figured out how to 
> schedule meetings using Teams.
>   I have also ben able to participate in chats using Teams, but it is not 
> my preferred way for conversing with others on my team.
> Suzanne
> 
>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 13:34, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a MacBook Pro M1 16 GB, 1TB and a Windows i7 9th Gen 32GB, 1TB SSD 
>> Windows 11 Pro running Jaws 2023. 
>> I feel as if VoiceOver is continually improving and has not lost 
>> accessibility. Although this is my first Mac I have been exposed to the 
>> Apple environment for years as a retired instructor of Assistive Technology 
>> and before that a Teacher and I have seen Apple make tremendous strides in 
>> both technology and Accessibility.
>> 
>> I use both my windows 11 Pro and my Ventura 13.2 Mac hard. Neither one is 
>> slow. Although I am grateful for the greater flexibility that Jaws offers me 
>> when working with Office applications, I am also grateful for the greater 
>> flexibility and functionality that the Mac and Voiceover offers me with 
>> Audio Applications.
>> 
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 25, 2023, at 1:24 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> sure you can. It could be so much better. I don't feel like it were
>>> the same teams working on the Iphones accessibility. I really need to
>>> get better with a mac but I always feel like it is so slow.
>>> 
>>> On 1/25/23, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
>>> wrote:
  Nothing is ever perfect but and Voiceover will always need work. But
 at least with Ventura 13.2 things are much better. Can't compare to Jaws
 or NVDA for those are not macOS.
 
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 will make violent revolution inevitable."
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 On 1/25/2023 9:56 AM, Tibor Niesner wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> what do you think about the accessibility on Mac OS?
> Do you think accessibility is worse and worse? Or what do you see it?
> I think that Mac OS is usable with VoiceOver. Because people say that
> accessibility on Mac OS with VoiceOver is worse and worse.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regard
> 
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Re: R.I.P Tim Kilburn

[Julie Rattray]

Such sad sad news a huge miss to the community and all of us 

> On 18 Dec 2022, at 10:33, 'Jerry Mader' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> I didn't know this fellow either. But I knew him from the emails. He would 
> send to the email list. I'm very sorry to hear of his passing... Extremely 
> sad, especially around the holidays. This has to be extremely terrible news 
> for the people that were around him, the most  to those that were I just want 
> to send my sympathies to you all. My heart goes out to all of you that knew 
> him in someway or another. Rest in peace Tim  
> 
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> Listen to my podcast the Mader cast. Please remember that it is adults only 
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>> On Dec 17, 2022, at 10:41 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Kliph and thank you for letting us know.
>> 
>> I do not have the words to express my sadness at this news.
>> 
>> I did not know Tim on a personal basis, but I do know that he made a 
>> difference in this world with his kindness and thoughtful replies to those 
>> in this community and, doubtless, many others as well.
>> 
>> I will never forget him; and that is a promise.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
>> Behalf Of Kliph
>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2022 3:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: R.I.P Tim Kilburn
>> 
>>> It is with a heavy heart that I inform all of you that our good Friend Tim 
>>> Kilburn lost his battle with glioblastoma this past wednesday. He was a 
>>> great co worker, he knew his apple products, and if he didn’t know it, then 
>>> it hadn’t been invented yet.  We worked on a lot of projects over the 
>>> years. He taught me a lot, and he will be missed greatly! Here at SturItUp, 
>>> TTJTech.biz, and MacForTheBlind we send our condolences to his wife and 
>>> Children. John Matt and I had great times with Tim, he had a one of a kind 
>>> since of humor.  So again Tim, rest in Peace, and we will see you on the 
>>> other side. Your life time Student.
>>> Kliph!
>>> 
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Re: Slides presentation and VoiceOver

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

So you have two options for doing slides etc with the Mac:

You can use keynote - the Mac presenter application - I find it fairly easy to 
use and you can create slides and save the presentation fairly easily. The 
slide formatter area allows you to add slide transitions as well. Keynote also 
as the functionality to save as a ppt file just in case you are presenting 
using a different computer.

If you have office on your Mac then ppt is also very accessible and creating 
slides is usually straight forward. 

For both options you can either use a template presentation or create your won 
- the advantage of the templates is that they position the text on the slide 
where it needs to be etc.

I do however, still find that I get someone with vision to check over the 
presentation just to make sure it looks ok etc 

But using both keynote or ppt I am able to add images, text graphs to slides - 
I can also add hyperlinks to video if I want to use that.

One thing - and I need to check keynote again - ppt allows you to add a sound 
as part of the slide transition which is really useful when presenting with no 
vision as it lets you know the slide has changed. You can do this in keynote 
but it used to be more complicated - I will take a look to see if this has 
changed.

If you need any more specific information this is just quite general get back 
to me and I can see if I can help  

> On 28 Oct 2022, at 13:58, Lucas Gil Nadolskis  wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> I will need to give a talk in couple of weeks where I will be required to use 
> slides.
> 
> I have never done such a thing using macOS, so I would be interested to hear 
> people’s experience with both creating the slides and presenting them.
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Kind regards.
> 
> Lucas Nadolskis.
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Re: Mantis with Mac?

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

No I only get it sometimes and not sure why 

> On 3 Oct 2022, at 16:58, Kliph  wrote:
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> Anyone know how to make that line go away at the bottom of the text on the 
> mantis?
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Re: Google Drive

[Julie Rattray]

Did you ever get this sorted - you need to click the bit that offers a shortcut 
to drive 

> On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:39, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Thanks.
> I did install google drive and I see this in my home folder.
> Google Drive Alias
> I run it and then see the folder but the folder this client sent me an invite 
> to is still on google drive cloud I guess?
> What I was looking for was to down load that folder I was invited to and then 
> see it on my mac.
> May be I’m missing something?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 6:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you subscribe to Google Drive, it is beneficial to download the Google 
>> Drive app.  This will let you be signed into Google Drive and let you sync 
>> your Google Drive files more easily.  Once installed the Google Drive items 
>> don’t actually use up much local storage.  Installation adds a few menu 
>> items where you can download items for local use, an/or push things up into 
>> the Cloud so they don’t use up any space on your local computer.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 14:34, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can download stuff from Google Drive to my downloads folder but I used to 
>>> be able to save them to Google drive and I can't find that option any more. 
>>> it doesn't matter that much but I think it would be more convenient to save 
>>> them to Google Drive if that's possible.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Chuck Reichel 
 mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Gary,
 
 I also am looking at google drive like I use drop box but not working that 
 way for me.
 I have google drive installed but not sure how to create a folder and send 
 invite to it yet?
 I still have some files that a music client sent me on google drive which 
 I some how managed to get down loaded to my down load folder but still 
 can’t seem to make it work like drop box! LOL
 any body have a   step by step getting these  clients files over to my mac?
 Can I just save the folder I was invited to to my mac?
 Thanks
 Chuck
 
 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:01 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie.
> Are you trying to share a file or folder?
> Both me and Chris Graham in Australia use Google drive all the time now.
> If you go past the copy link option, you should see share via Google 
> Drive.
> It's worded something like that anyway.
> When your in that window, just add the Email address of the person your 
> sharing the item with.
> Then all you have to do is hit send.
> 
> Don't worry about links or anything like that, Google drive takes care of 
> that.
> But for that share option to show up, you need to have the Google drive 
> app open on your Mac.
> 
> Anyway hope this helps, if you get stuck feel free to get in touch.
> 
> Gary Price
> This is my group address:
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> 
>> On 12 Sep 2022, at 06:22, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> When I copy a link to the clipboard in Google Drive I get some kind of 
>> message but it goes away before I can read it. When I email the link to 
>> somebody for them to download it they get a message that says: "Access 
>> Denied." I don't understand this when I have sent them the link. what do 
>> I need to do to fix this?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Google Drive

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

There is a way but I can’t remember right now I will check later though and see 
if I can send some instructions - I think if you see the folder in the google 
drive in the cloud you can bring up the context menu with VOshift m and that 
gives you the option to add a link to your local drive folder  

> On 12 Sep 2022, at 23:39, Chuck Reichel  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tim,
> Thanks.
> I did install google drive and I see this in my home folder.
> Google Drive Alias
> I run it and then see the folder but the folder this client sent me an invite 
> to is still on google drive cloud I guess?
> What I was looking for was to down load that folder I was invited to and then 
> see it on my mac.
> May be I’m missing something?
> Thanks
> Chuck
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 6:15 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> When you subscribe to Google Drive, it is beneficial to download the Google 
>> Drive app.  This will let you be signed into Google Drive and let you sync 
>> your Google Drive files more easily.  Once installed the Google Drive items 
>> don’t actually use up much local storage.  Installation adds a few menu 
>> items where you can download items for local use, an/or push things up into 
>> the Cloud so they don’t use up any space on your local computer.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 14:34, Lorie McCloud >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can download stuff from Google Drive to my downloads folder but I used to 
>>> be able to save them to Google drive and I can't find that option any more. 
>>> it doesn't matter that much but I think it would be more convenient to save 
>>> them to Google Drive if that's possible.
>>> 
 On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Chuck Reichel 
 mailto:soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Gary,
 
 I also am looking at google drive like I use drop box but not working that 
 way for me.
 I have google drive installed but not sure how to create a folder and send 
 invite to it yet?
 I still have some files that a music client sent me on google drive which 
 I some how managed to get down loaded to my down load folder but still 
 can’t seem to make it work like drop box! LOL
 any body have a   step by step getting these  clients files over to my mac?
 Can I just save the folder I was invited to to my mac?
 Thanks
 Chuck
 
 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 3:01 AM, 'Gary Price' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Lorie.
> Are you trying to share a file or folder?
> Both me and Chris Graham in Australia use Google drive all the time now.
> If you go past the copy link option, you should see share via Google 
> Drive.
> It's worded something like that anyway.
> When your in that window, just add the Email address of the person your 
> sharing the item with.
> Then all you have to do is hit send.
> 
> Don't worry about links or anything like that, Google drive takes care of 
> that.
> But for that share option to show up, you need to have the Google drive 
> app open on your Mac.
> 
> Anyway hope this helps, if you get stuck feel free to get in touch.
> 
> Gary Price
> This is my group address:
> garypric...@icloud.com 
> 
>> On 12 Sep 2022, at 06:22, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
>> 
>> When I copy a link to the clipboard in Google Drive I get some kind of 
>> message but it goes away before I can read it. When I email the link to 
>> somebody for them to download it they get a message that says: "Access 
>> Denied." I don't understand this when I have sent them the link. what do 
>> I need to do to fix this?
>> 
>> thanks.
>> Lorie
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Re: Paralels Desktop and Windows

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I haven’t used it with windows on Mac but couldn’t get it to work on Mac OS 
itself 

> On 7 Aug 2022, at 09:33, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
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> Hello all,
> 
> has anyone use a Paralels Desktop with Windows on Mac?
> Does work it on Mac, and is it OK?
> Do you use NVDA or Jaws there?
> 
> Thanks.
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> Best regard
> 
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Julie Rattray]

Ah ok that makes sense I haven’t had a daisy for a while does it show the 
actual text 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:52, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> These are DAISY books from bookshare.org <http://bookshare.org/>, hence I 
> can’t read them in books app or Preview or some such.
> 
> Andrew
> 
>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:35, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not 
>> work for what you want or even reading the document in something like 
>> preview or even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book 
>> you are reading 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
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>>> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
>>> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
>>> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
>>> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have 
>>> a Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on 
>>> occasion to read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different 
>>> experience for me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and 
>>> you can actually touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find 
>>> the text being read anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Andrew 
>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen >>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>> >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Andrew
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Re: Voice Dream Reader for mac and Braille display

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Haven’t tried it on the Mac with dreamreader but would the books app not work 
for what you want or even reading the document in something like preview or 
even pages/word - I guess it depends on the format of the book you are reading 

> On 21 Jun 2022, at 09:33, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Yes, when I hit the spacebar, Voice Dream Reader for Desktop begins to read 
> the book but I can’t locate the text which it is reading and thus I can’t 
> mute voiceover and read by using my refreshable Braille display.  I have 
> asked the developer but he doesn’t seem to know as he says he doesn’t have a 
> Braille display.  This is a bit of a drawback for me as I like on occasion to 
> read quietly; reading using Braille is a completely different experience for 
> me.  I think on an IPhone one can use a Braille display and you can actually 
> touch the text with your finger.  On the mac, I can’t find the text being 
> read anywhere.
> 
> Andrew 
> 
>> On 20 Jun 2022, at 23:24, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>> 
>> Does it read if you hit the play button? 
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2022, at 16:00, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to read books and documents imported to voice dream reader 
>>> for mac desktop using refreshable Braille display?
>>> 
>>> I’ve been trying to find a way to do this but have thus far failed.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
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Re: Zoom Meeting

[Julie Rattray]

It shouldn’t matter if you click on the link in the invite it should let you in 
anyway 

I have been using zoom lots for work so if you have any issues just yell - once 
you have it set the way you want it tends to work well

If I remember you have a braille display and one of the things I find really 
useful with a braille display is that you can mute speech but still navigate 
around without the speech getting in the way of what you are listening to in 
the meeting etc 

I think brad’s idea of a test meeting with yourself is a good one but if you 
want to do a test with a person do yell 

> On 14 Jun 2022, at 17:39, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> Brad,
>   Thanks, I will do this shortly. I am reminded of something I should ask. 
> Dow it matter which email is tied to my Zoom account? The meeting invite will 
> come to a different email address.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible
> will make violent revolution inevitable."
> --John F. Kennedy
> My e-Mail:
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/14/2022 7:21 AM, Brad Snyder wrote:
>> You should be able to start a practice meeting using your PMI.
>> I recommend doing this because the Mac will ask that you grant permissions 
>> for using the microphone and camera.  I also recommend you try doing a 
>> screen share and/or computer audio share, because the Mac will ask you to 
>> grant permissions to allow screen recording in order to do this.
>> You should also go through Zoom preferences, especially audio, and make sure 
>> things are set to your liking.
>> I also recommend that before starting a meeting, you go into Audio 
>> preferences, and make sure your preferred input and output devices are 
>> selected.
>> It is a good idea to do this every-time you start a meeting until you are 
>> confident that Zoom has learned your preferences.
>> HTH.
>> - Brad -
>> On Jun 14, 2022, at 09:02, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>>   Zoom is installed on my devices but I have not used it so far. I will in a 
>> couple weeks so am looking for tips. Likely will use the Mac. Is there a 
>> test mode where I can check it out and become familiar with it? Thanks.
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Re: Strange behavior with message in Mail

[Julie Rattray]

Have you tried interacting with the body of the message - I know normally you 
don’t need to but I have occasionally had this issue and I found interacting 
with the text then seemed to open up the rest of the message - I wondered if it 
had something to do with the format of the sent message 

> On 30 May 2022, at 14:27, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I have an email message from a friend, and when I open it, I can only scroll 
> through the top two lines. After that, I just get the VO thunk sound and 
> nothing more is read.  It’s just this message, my other messages read just 
> fine.  As a reminder, now running Monterrey.  Anyone know what could be going 
> on?  I’ve tried closing and restarting Mail, I’ve tried turning VO off and 
> back on.  Neither has helped.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: A zoom annoyance with voiceover

[Julie Rattray]

You can customise what announcements you here using the settings features - Tim 
has posted  about this before - but go in to settings and I think it is either 
under the accessibility tab or notifications (in zoom) and you can customise 
what you hear in terms of zoom announcements.

I am fortunate that I can turn speech off and then use my braille display with 
zoom which gets rid of so many of these issues - but it is still useful to 
customise the zoom announcements as they come from zoom itself not VO  

> On 19 May 2022, at 17:04, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> it depends of which device you are speaking.
> On a Mac you can disable theese  messages in the Zoom settings. On an iPhone 
> you could tap three fingers three times to disable the voice of VoiceOver.
> 
> I often use Zoom on my Mac. And I need VoiceOver to be switched on to take 
> notes along the meeting. VoiceOver very often anounces „Zoom has new window“. 
> Is anyone aware of a way to avoid this message on a Mac and keep VoiceOver on?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 19.05.2022 um 17:41 schrieb Patrick Ford :
>> 
>> Hi, you can turn on 'do not disturb' or you can shut off voice over if you 
>> don't need it while listening and/or speaking -
>> Come and See
>> scripturepassage-subscr...@groups.io
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2022, at 11:29 AM, Kaare Dehard  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi folks, I’m wondering if the announcements of chat messages can be 
>>> suppressed while in a meeting. If not do our zoom users have alternative 
>>> methods to deal with this so as to not be distracted during presentations?
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

Yes me to 

> On 19 May 2022, at 15:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, yes, we are saying the same thing.  I always thought this was the case, 
> but thought it worth confirming.  I always wear headphones when I’m on Zoom 
> for this very reason.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry donna,
>> 
>> Realised my reply to you was not phrased well 
>> 
>> Yes I meant you can hear it but others don’t - and I thought that was what 
>> you wanted to know that others didn’t if you had headphones on 
>> 
>>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, actually, I was asking if others hear it.  I’ve always assumed that if 
>>> I wear headphones, I’m the only one who has to listen to VO babble.  If 
>>> that’s not the case, I want to know. :)
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2022, at 3:30 AM, Julie Rattray  
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I don’t think others hear it if you are wearing headphones but of course 
>>>> you do - which I think is what you were asking 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 May 2022, at 14:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does this happen even if you’re wearing headphones?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Donna
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 7:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would be content to stay muted and simply prace the spacebar when I
>>>>>> need to speak in many Zoom calls I participate on. Unfortunately, that
>>>>>> also triggers a flurry of speech from VO, so I first have to silence VO
>>>>>> before using the spacebar.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is my top peeve with VO and Zoom. I wish it were possible to use
>>>>>> the spacebar without triggering all that speech into the teleconference.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Janina
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> There are settings under Accessibility after pressing cmd-comma that 
>>>>>>> you can configure to allow/disallow various announcements, but if you 
>>>>>>> are navigating with VO while in the Zoom session, the others in the 
>>>>>>> Zoom meet will hear your VO speech.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I, like others, either use headphones so as not to bother others, mute 
>>>>>>> VO or VO speech, mute my mic when not needed, or just not use VO much 
>>>>>>> while in the meeting.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Later…
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 03:33, Julie Rattray  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo 
>>>>>>>> depending on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to 
>>>>>>>> mute vo during the meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo 
>>>>>>>> to check chat etc I just mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen >>>>>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement 
>>>>>>>>> voice? I think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph >>>>>>>>> <mailto:kliph.miller...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>

Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

Sorry donna,

Realised my reply to you was not phrased well 

Yes I meant you can hear it but others don’t - and I thought that was what you 
wanted to know that others didn’t if you had headphones on 

> On 19 May 2022, at 12:44, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> No, actually, I was asking if others hear it.  I’ve always assumed that if I 
> wear headphones, I’m the only one who has to listen to VO babble.  If that’s 
> not the case, I want to know. :)
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 19, 2022, at 3:30 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t think others hear it if you are wearing headphones but of course you 
>> do - which I think is what you were asking 
>> 
>>> On 18 May 2022, at 14:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does this happen even if you’re wearing headphones?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 18, 2022, at 7:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would be content to stay muted and simply prace the spacebar when I
>>>> need to speak in many Zoom calls I participate on. Unfortunately, that
>>>> also triggers a flurry of speech from VO, so I first have to silence VO
>>>> before using the spacebar.
>>>> 
>>>> This is my top peeve with VO and Zoom. I wish it were possible to use
>>>> the spacebar without triggering all that speech into the teleconference.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Janina
>>>> 
>>>> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are settings under Accessibility after pressing cmd-comma that you 
>>>>> can configure to allow/disallow various announcements, but if you are 
>>>>> navigating with VO while in the Zoom session, the others in the Zoom meet 
>>>>> will hear your VO speech.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I, like others, either use headphones so as not to bother others, mute VO 
>>>>> or VO speech, mute my mic when not needed, or just not use VO much while 
>>>>> in the meeting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later…
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tim Kilburn
>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>>>> Apple Teacher
>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 03:33, Julie Rattray  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo 
>>>>>> depending on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to mute 
>>>>>> vo during the meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo to 
>>>>>> check chat etc I just mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen >>>>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement 
>>>>>>> voice? I think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph >>>>>>> <mailto:kliph.miller...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as 
>>>>>>>> for your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. 
>>>>>>>> Are you using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio 
>>>>>>>> or VO to come out of?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore 
>>>>>>>> all the options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other 
>>>>>>>> files sound good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
>>>>>>>> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
>>>>>>>> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io>Even Checkout my  
>>>>>>>> SoundEffects Folder 
>>>>>>>> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/063P7bU9RkC56Vdw_V5QaMf1Q#Ring_tone_library>
>>>>>>>>  to receive updated

Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

I don’t think others hear it if you are wearing headphones but of course you do 
- which I think is what you were asking 

> On 18 May 2022, at 14:46, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Does this happen even if you’re wearing headphones?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2022, at 7:21 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I would be content to stay muted and simply prace the spacebar when I
>> need to speak in many Zoom calls I participate on. Unfortunately, that
>> also triggers a flurry of speech from VO, so I first have to silence VO
>> before using the spacebar.
>> 
>> This is my top peeve with VO and Zoom. I wish it were possible to use
>> the spacebar without triggering all that speech into the teleconference.
>> 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries writes:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> There are settings under Accessibility after pressing cmd-comma that you 
>>> can configure to allow/disallow various announcements, but if you are 
>>> navigating with VO while in the Zoom session, the others in the Zoom meet 
>>> will hear your VO speech.
>>> 
>>> I, like others, either use headphones so as not to bother others, mute VO 
>>> or VO speech, mute my mic when not needed, or just not use VO much while in 
>>> the meeting.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2022, at 03:33, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo depending 
>>>> on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to mute vo during 
>>>> the meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo to check chat etc I 
>>>> just mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen >>>> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement voice? 
>>>>> I think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph >>>>> <mailto:kliph.miller...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as for 
>>>>>> your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. Are you 
>>>>>> using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio or VO to 
>>>>>> come out of?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all 
>>>>>> the options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files 
>>>>>> sound good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
>>>>>> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
>>>>>> <mailto:audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io>Even Checkout my  
>>>>>> SoundEffects Folder 
>>>>>> <https://www.icloud.com/iclouddrive/063P7bU9RkC56Vdw_V5QaMf1Q#Ring_tone_library>
>>>>>>  to receive updated resources
>>>>>> Let’s master editing audio together!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson >>>>>> <mailto:ylt...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>>>>>>> microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>>>>>>> Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
>>>>>>> keyboard command to do so?
>>>>>>> TIA Yolanda
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks - in the past this didn’t work for me but things may have improved since 
I last asked people if they could hear vo 

> On 16 May 2022, at 17:58, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  If you use headphones or earbuds on a Zoom call and leave your microphone 
> open on the Mac, no one can hear VoiceOver. This has been my solution for 
> Zoom sessions in which I don’t want the participants hearing VoiceOver.
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2022, at 5:33 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo depending 
>> on the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to mute vo during the 
>> meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo to check chat etc I just 
>> mute my mike and only I hear vo then 
>> 
>>> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement voice? I 
>>> think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
>>> 
>>>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as for 
>>>> your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. Are you 
>>>> using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio or VO to 
>>>> come out of?
>>>> 
>>>> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all 
>>>> the options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files 
>>>> sound good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
>>>> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
>>>> Even Checkout my  SoundEffects Folder to receive updated resources
>>>> Let’s master editing audio together!
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>>>>> microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>>>>> Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
>>>>> keyboard command to do so?
>>>>> TIA Yolanda
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Re: Two Mac Questions, please

[Julie Rattray]

There is an issue with zoom where others in the call can here vo depending on 
the set up and it is hard to get rid of it - I tend to mute vo during the 
meeting as much as possible or if I need to use vo to check chat etc I just 
mute my mike and only I hear vo then 

> On 15 May 2022, at 03:14, Herbie Allen  wrote:
> 
> In regard to Zoom, I believe you are referring to the announcement voice? I 
> think that one depends on your default soundcard. 
> 
>> On May 14, 2022, at 06:53, Kliph > > wrote:
>> 
>> the VO command to read to end of document is VO and the letter A, as for 
>> your zoom issue, we’d need to know a bit more about your setup. Are you 
>> using a headset, and external mic, where do you want the audio or VO to come 
>> out of?
>> 
>> Are you good at editing audio or want to learn how? Want to explore all the 
>> options on how to make your recordings for podcasts or other files sound 
>> good? Then audio editing101 is the group for you, join here
>> audio-editing101+subscr...@groups.io
>>  Even Checkout my  SoundEffects 
>> Folder 
>> 
>>  to receive updated resources
>> Let’s master editing audio together!
>> 
>>> On May 13, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Yolanda Thompson >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> When hosting a zoom meeting on the mac, VO comes through the
>>> microphone. Is there a way to prevent this from happening?
>>> Second, If I want to read from cursor to end of document, what is the
>>> keyboard command to do so?
>>> TIA Yolanda
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Re: Teams

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I find that the iPhone or iPad versions are fairly accessible but agree with 
the comments already made the actual experience on the Mac is not great - like 
John I can do it - but it is not easy and I don’t enjoy using it on the Mac at 
all 

> On 29 Apr 2022, at 14:49, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> would you agree Microsoft Teams is more than terrible to use on a Mac using 
> VoiceOver? Or am I doing something fundamentally wrong?
> 
> I tried the shortcuts which are possible for the use with VoiceOver but most 
> of them didn’t work reliably.
> 
> What are your expeeriences regarding Teams on the Mac?
> 
> All the best
> Jürgen
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Re: OT: A bit of personal news

[Julie Rattray]

Well good luck and hope it all turns out the way you want it to 

> On 4 Apr 2022, at 22:41, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> 
> Warning, this is a little long.  I’ve debated whether or not to share this 
> with the list, but I’ve known many of you in this community for a long time 
> now, so I thought I would, since it could potentially be of interest to 
> others here who have my same visual condition.  If you don’t want to read, 
> feel free to hit the delete key. :)
> 
> Last fall, , National Public Radio did a story about a clinical trial that 
> was being conducted using a new gene editing technique called CRISPR to treat 
> Liber’s Congenital Amaurosis, which is the condition that caused my 
> blindness.  Being an inquisitive sort, I decided to try and find out more.  
> My cousin who works in genetics was able to track down the study, and I 
> subsequently volunteered to be a participant.
> 
> The whole story is long, but here’s a synopsis.  I went to Portland OR in 
> November, where they had to do a genetic panel to make sure I was a match for 
> the specific genetic mutation that they’re studying.  Shortly before 
> Christmas, I received the news that I am in fact a match, and that I had been 
> accepted for participation in the trial.  There followed a fair amount of 
> pre-surgery stuff, such as having a congenital cataract removed in order to 
> give the surgeon better access to my retina.  But all that is now done, and I 
> leave on Wednesday for Portland.  The procedure will be performed on April 12.
> 
> Crispr is pretty amazing stuff.  It has a lot of promise in a wide variety of 
> applications that could make many people’s lives better.  My layperson’s 
> explanation of it is that they will turn a tiny bot armed with scissors loose 
> in my retina.  The bots’ job will be to cut out the malfunctioning area of 
> the gene and mend it, so that the gene starts to produce the necessary 
> proteins to send visual information to the brain.  Over time, this is 
> expected to produce a gradual improvement in my vision.  For a more medically 
> based explanation, you can check out this link: 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41587-020-0493-4 
> .
> 
> I know that we all have different feelings about the “cure.”  As for me 
> personally, I have never sought it out.  In fact, many who know me were 
> surprised that I volunteered for the trial—to some extent, including myself. 
> I do have some vision, and I do use the vision that I have, so I wouldn’t say 
> no to any improvement, should that be the outcome.  But my primary motivation 
> for volunteering was to help further the science, and whatever my personal 
> outcome, I’m excited to be a part of that.  So far, none of the participants 
> has had reason to go out and buy a new car, so, my expectation is that, while 
> I may see better, the overall picture of my life won’t change that much.
> 
> 
> Though I do experience moments when I wonder if I’m certifiably insane for 
> letting someone take a pair of pruning shears to my genes, I’m  optimistic 
> and excited at the prospect of leaving this legacy for others who have LCA.
> 
> If you’ve read all this, thanks for reading.  It is not currently my plan to 
> send updates to the list, because it is off-topic and will not be of interest 
> to everyone.  But if you want to be updated, let me know, and I can email you 
> privately.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen

[Julie Rattray]

I love it too 

> On 15 Mar 2022, at 11:11, 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Probably. I am calling the thing in front of the spacebar on my MacBook Pro 
> the track pad because of the trackpad commanders. Not to be confused with the 
> touchbar above the number keys that everyone but me despises.
> Merv
> 
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 7:08 AM, Fazil M.  wrote:
>> 
>> Is track pad and touch pad the same thing?
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 'Mervin Keck III' via MacVisionaries  
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 3:58 AM
>> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Re: Getting Voiceover to Speak at Logon Screen
>> 
>> I wonder if that is a bug? I’ve had several experts walk me through this and 
>> all settings are correct. Still my VO will not work on startup on my M1 
>> MacBook Pro. However, if I tap the track pad VoiceOver will kick in and I 
>> can enter my password.
>> Merv
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 15, 2022, at 3:07 AM, 'Harry Bell' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is in system preferences, users, login options. 
>>> I have not got this to work on my M1 MacBook Pro nor on previous Mac 
>>> mini Harry
>>> 
 On 15 Mar 2022, at 06:14, Dave Carlson  wrote:
 
 Okay, I forgot. Just installed Monterey, and VO is not speaking at the 
 logon prompt.
 Where do I go to make this work?
 
 
 Dave Carlson
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Re: MSWord File In Email Attachment?

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Pages can open word files and it should be very similar to the original 
document sometimes I get a note about missing fonts but it doesn’t seem to 
impact anything you just then read it as a document - hope that helps but if I 
have misunderstood your question get back to me 

> On 17 Mar 2022, at 05:59, Fazil M.  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Group.
> I received an MSWord file as an email attachment. I saved it in Download 
> folder and found it there too.
> When I try to open this Word file, Voiceover takes it to Pages App and wanted 
> to convert it in Page format.
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Re: Braille Displays

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use the aphmantis Q40 which I really like 

> On 5 Mar 2022, at 00:03, Holly Jensen  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I am wondering what kind of braille display everyone uses. I am hoping to 
> find one that works well for both the Mac and the Apple watch, if that is 
> even possible. Many thanks.
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Re: Ms Word and comments/track changes

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I frequently do as Karen suggests when working with student work where I put 
comments in their chapters and essays etc and they can access all of my 
comments and track changes once I export back to a word file - I think it does 
loose things as you say Brad but typically when formatting etc is complicated 
when fairly straightforward it seems to be ok 

I have also opened a word doc in Pages that my students have used track changes 
and comments in and again it works well  

> On 31 Dec 2021, at 20:17, Brad Snyder  wrote:
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> Apples pages will not save to a Microsoft Word format. You can export a pages 
> document to a Microsoft Word format, but frequently things get lost in the 
> translation process, so beware.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Dec 31, 2021, at 11:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> On 31/12/21 09:00, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> That being if Pages could take the word file, make the comments  and track 
>> changes available via voiceover, allow a person to do the edits, and save 
>> the file again in word to send back?
> I've used Pages to read and save a Microsoft Word file, so it's definitely 
> possible as long as the comments and change tracking are adequately 
> accessible in Pages.
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Re: Ms Word and comments/track changes

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I think this is till the case based on my recent test - however, it works well 
in pages it will read comments as you navigate through the text 

> On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:26, 'ja...@jasonjgw.net' via MacVisionaries 
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> When I last tried this (and it wasn’t recently – probably before buying my 
> M1-based Mac), VoiceOver did identify comments in the text as annotations 
> (“has comment”, if I remember rightly).
> However, it wasn’t possible to navigate to the comment and then return to the 
> place in the text to which the comment was attached. I think this is an issue 
> to take up with Microsoft.
>  
> I should note that I’m only an occasional Microsoft Word user (on Mac OS or 
> Windows). Most of my writing is in LaTeX, Markdown, or HTML – prepared in a 
> text editor. That’s where my serious writing is done.
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> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  on 
> behalf of jean parker 
> Date: Thursday, December 9, 2021 at 16:17
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Ms Word and comments/track changes
> 
> I am also interested in this thread. I find 2 problems:
> 1. Although I can make the comments appear I can not reliably move back and 
> forth between the comment and the exact place in the text to which the 
> comment applies with voiceover. 
> 2. My understanding is that voiceover is supposed to indicate places in a 
> document where there is a track change by saying anotation. I can not get 
> mine to do that.
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> Any help with these two questions would be appreciated.
> Jean
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Re: A Question About Apple Fitness Plus for VoiceOver Users

[Julie Rattray]

Yes my experience is like yours very video based and hard to follow as the 
audio that goes with video not really descriptive enough - assumes you can see 
video - hoping for more audio content in the future 

> On 17 Sep 2021, at 01:01, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello Everyone,  
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> Question:  does anyone use or has anyone used Apple Fitness Plus?  If so,
> how was / is your experience?  
> 
> So much of the content is video-based, at least, that is how it appears in
> all of the Apple Keynote Presentations.  
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> I know that they mentioned something about adding more audio-based content
> to the service but just wanted to get some feedback here in the forum.
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> I look forward to your replies,
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Re: auto-Reading documents by VoiceOver voice

[Julie Rattray]

The only issue is that when in pages often this does not work and VO A only 
reads the page for some reason 

> On 14 Apr 2021, at 15:50, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> The two finger swipe down does the same VoiceOver function as VO-A. What you 
> have to take account of when working with Mac VoiceOver is that one can 
> interact.
> 
> So, if the VoiceOver cursor is the at the document level, then a two finger 
> sswipe down will start at the top of the document. If you are at a page 
> level, it should start reading at the beginning of the page. If swiping right 
> reads just the next word, then the "Read Voiceover cursor" function should 
> start reading at the last word spoken and continue  to the end.
> A two finger swipe let/right will change your interaction level.
> 
>  
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
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> 
>> On Apr 13, 2021, at 16:57, William Windels > > wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>> 
>> This seems a old bug to me but on  macos 11.2.3 on a macbook air with a m1 
>> chip, voiceover is reading a document from the top when swipe with 2 fingers 
>> down.
>> This is not like expected when the cursor is not at the beginning of the 
>> document: voiceover should start reading from the position of the cursor.
>> 
>> Or, is this  supposition of me wrong?
>> 
>> Perhaps I can use another command to read automatically from cursor to 
>> bottom?
>> 
>> Thx for any comments/hints
>> 
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Re: Teams.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use teams a lot for work now and whilst not an expert let me know if I can 
help at all - happy to do a practice meeting for example if that would be of 
use 

> On 30 Nov 2020, at 10:16, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Ok, thanks for all inputs.
> I will check it out then.
> /A
> 
>> 30 nov. 2020 kl. 09:54 skrev Julie Rattray :
>> 
>> I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the 
>> phone too 
>> 
>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 22:04, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve found that teams on the iPhone is far more reliable.
>>> 
>>> On the Mac I find that teams is a resource hog.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Kerry
>>> 
>>>> On 29 Nov 2020, at 1:14 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Just a short question.
>>>> The church I have wants us to participate in a meeting on teams.
>>>> Does Teams work best on the ac or the Iphone or Ipad?
>>>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Teams.

[Julie Rattray]

I prefer teams on my iPad to anything else although it works well on the phone 
too 

> On 29 Nov 2020, at 22:04, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
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> I’ve found that teams on the iPhone is far more reliable.
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> On the Mac I find that teams is a resource hog.
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> Regards
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>> Does Teams work best on the ac or the Iphone or Ipad?
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: Joining Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

There is also a way to link your calendar to zoom which should then put 
upcoming meetings straight in to zoom so you can open zoom and click on the 
relevant upcoming meeting - you need to do this via settings on zoom and I 
think you need to go to advance meetings or more settings which takes you to 
the online zoom page - I did it ages ago and now can’t remember how I did it 

- I think this still depends on how the invite is sent out though - others may 
know more  

> On 26 Nov 2020, at 16:41, John Panarese  wrote:
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>  It also works here on the Mac. As long as it’s the URL, it has worked from 
> the Mac Calendar event details screen.
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Brad Snyder  wrote:
>> 
>> Try just clicking on the meeting link in the calendar entry. That usually 
>> works for me on my iOS device.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Nov 26, 2020, at 08:15, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
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>> Hi all:
>> 
>> Here’s a question for you. Like most people these days, I am attending loads 
>> of zoom meetings.  When the hostsendso ut meeting invites like a good little 
>> soldier I add them to my calendar.  Thing is that  joining means I have to 
>> open up calendar then copy the url and past it in to Safari.  Any easier 
>> ways that I can just jump from calendar to zoom without having to go through 
>> safari?
>> 
>> Any suggestions appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards
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Re: Favorite Mac Twitter client?

[Julie Rattray]

I agree I have tried both night owl and twitterific and find night owl the most 
intuitive to use

> On 24 Nov 2020, at 05:34, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> I use Night Owl. I've been using it ever since I created my Twitter account 
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>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 2:35 PM, Herbie Allen > > wrote:
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>> Twitterific. It has an accessible layout. 
>> 
>> Herbie
>> 
>>> On Nov 23, 2020, at 14:26, Traci Duncan >> > wrote:
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>>> Hi all, Now that I’m running the latest oporating system, I have options 
>>> in a Twitter client. Which are your favorites and why?
>>> 
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Re: How I can make Microsoft teams to be accessible with voice over?

[Julie Rattray]

When you open the app you normally get a very clutter screened - teams seems to 
work using a number of windows but bits of each can show on the main window 
when it opens 

So you have activity - which is a kind of update of all the things that have 
been happening in your teams 
Chat - which is a list of all the different chat conversations and updates 
associated with either your individual teams or personal messages 
Teams - which is a list of all the different teams you are in 
Calendar - which lists all upcoming meetings and where you can schedule 
meetings 
And there are a couple more which you can customise 

You can move focus between the different bits of the screen using CMD and 1-5 
this changes the view on the main screen and can be helpful 

 

> On 15 Nov 2020, at 07:35, Steve Z.  wrote:
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> Hi Julie,
> I’ll take a look of  the guide, although I’m not sure if I downloaded the 
> right app. When I open it, it seems like opens the app, but it looks like a 
> Finder window.
> Thank you very much for the guide. I’ll let you know ...
> Steve 
> 15 Νοε 2020, 8:59 πμ, ο χρήστης «Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>>» έγραψε:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> It does work though for me the desktop version is not as accessible as the 
>> IPAD version. However, here is a guide which might help you - there is also 
>> some help on Microsoft website. I have played a bit but don’t use the Mac 
>> version enough yet to be able to give you lots of advice but I hope the 
>> guide helps and if you can get started I might be able to help a little.
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>>>> Hi list!
>>>> I would like to use Microsoft teams from my Mac. I downloaded And 
>>>> installed it from the Microsoft web page. The problem is that when I open 
>>>> the app, I get a blank screen. Like it’s not accessible with voiceover. Is 
>>>> there anything I can do to make it accessible because I need it much?
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Re: Zoom on the Mac with chat!

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks chuck no I haven’t because I often forget about hot spots but I will 
give it a go as this makes a lot of sense thanks for the suggestion 

> On 5 Nov 2020, at 14:49, CHUCK REICHEL  
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> Hi Julie,
> Have you tried using the VoiceOver hotspots for this.
> I haven't tried this in zoom but when I have pesky "jumping in and out" 
> behavior in Avid's pro tools I found that VO hotspots are your friend. :)
> HTH
> Chuck
> "God does not play dice with the universe"
> "Albert Einstein’
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> 
> On Nov 4, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Julie Rattray wrote:
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>> What I tend to do is open up the chat panel and navigate to the messages and 
>> then interact with the list and you should be able to arrow key up and down 
>> and read them - sometimes it jumps but normally it works - the key is making 
>> sure you have opened the chat panel as the default is that it is shut when a 
>> zoom meeting starts 
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 15:08, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
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>>> Thanks julie, how do you actually read them?
>>> 
>>> Kerry
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 10:57 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I think the share screen is just not an option at the moment which is a 
>>>> pity because I have used Blackboard collaborate and when a ppt was shared 
>>>> it worked really well - but need to play with this feature in zoom more to 
>>>> see if different ways of sharing work better 
>>>> 
>>>> Re chat interacting with individual messages works but I agree it is 
>>>> clunky  
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 14:18, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I really do prefer using zoom on my Mac with 2 exceptions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The screen share which I spoke about last time.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other issue that I’d love see work is reviewing the chat messages 
>>>>> especially if someone shares a file with me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any suggestions?
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Re: Zoom on the Mac with chat!

[Julie Rattray]

What I tend to do is open up the chat panel and navigate to the messages and 
then interact with the list and you should be able to arrow key up and down and 
read them - sometimes it jumps but normally it works - the key is making sure 
you have opened the chat panel as the default is that it is shut when a zoom 
meeting starts 

> On 4 Nov 2020, at 15:08, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
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> Thanks julie, how do you actually read them?
> 
> Kerry
> 
>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 10:57 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think the share screen is just not an option at the moment which is a pity 
>> because I have used Blackboard collaborate and when a ppt was shared it 
>> worked really well - but need to play with this feature in zoom more to see 
>> if different ways of sharing work better 
>> 
>> Re chat interacting with individual messages works but I agree it is clunky  
>> 
>>> On 4 Nov 2020, at 14:18, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I really do prefer using zoom on my Mac with 2 exceptions.
>>> 
>>> The screen share which I spoke about last time.
>>> 
>>> The other issue that I’d love see work is reviewing the chat messages 
>>> especially if someone shares a file with me.
>>> 
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> 
>>> Kerry
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Re: Zoom on the Mac with chat!

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I think the share screen is just not an option at the moment which is a pity 
because I have used Blackboard collaborate and when a ppt was shared it worked 
really well - but need to play with this feature in zoom more to see if 
different ways of sharing work better 

Re chat interacting with individual messages works but I agree it is clunky  

> On 4 Nov 2020, at 14:18, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I really do prefer using zoom on my Mac with 2 exceptions.
> 
> The screen share which I spoke about last time.
> 
> The other issue that I’d love see work is reviewing the chat messages 
> especially if someone shares a file with me.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
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Re: pages on a Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Very odd it should have let you sorry not much help 

> On 20 Oct 2020, at 07:27, Lorie McCloud  wrote:
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> I did interact with the document and vo would read the text but I couldn't do 
> anything to it.
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2020, at 2:37 AM, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to 
>> the body of the doc and you can edit etc. 
>> 
>>> On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines >> <mailto:mmines.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who 
>>> posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a 
>>> sophisticated work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 
>>> and Microsoft word for the Mac. I hope this helps?
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages.
>>>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format.  Pages 
>>>> will not.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud >>> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I 
>>>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each 
>>>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so 
>>>> I guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't 
>>>> know much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to 
>>>> get into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an 
>>>> email. how do I do this?
>>>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave.
>>>> thanks.
>>>> 
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Re: pages on a Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Pages works well with VO just interact with the document and you will get to 
the body of the doc and you can edit etc. 

> On 19 Oct 2020, at 05:57, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> Hello, thank Pages it's available anymore. I agree with the last person who 
> posted on the subject, text edit is your friend. If you need a sophisticated 
> work processing Application, then I might suggest Office 365 and Microsoft 
> word for the Mac. I hope this helps?
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Brad Snyder > > wrote:
>> 
>> You might try editing the document in Text Edit rather than Pages.
>> Text Edit will allow you to work in the documents existing format.  Pages 
>> will not.
>> 
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 18, 2020, at 19:22, Lorie McCloud > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have a long document that I wrote on a braille note ages ago. when I 
>> changed the format to doc, something happened and the first letter of each 
>> line is missing or off by itself. it reads fine on a newer braille note so I 
>> guess I'm going to have to correct it on my Mac using pages. I don't know 
>> much about pages. I opened the document but I can't figure out how to get 
>> into the text and locate each letter like I might if I were editing an 
>> email. how do I do this?
>> I might mention that I'm running Mojave.
>> thanks.
>> 
>> Lorie
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Re: Tweetbot for Mac OS with VoiceOver

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

You could try night owl this is a twitter client that works on the Mac and is 
good with VO  

> On 14 Oct 2020, at 15:51, Tibor Niesner  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Twitterriffic is good, but it is often busy.
> I am finding next Twitter client for Mac which would be accessible with 
> VoiceOver and where wouldn’t be this problem.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Best regard 
> 
> Tibor Niesner
> 
>> 14. 10. 2020 v 16:40, Brad Snyder > >:
>> 
>> I’m not a big Twitter user, but I understand that Twitterrific works well 
>> with VoiceOver on both Mac and iOS, and is available in both AppStores.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 09:18, Greg Wocher > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> The last I knew it was not accessible with VoiceOver at all. This was a year 
>> or so ago, so things may have changed since then.
>> 
>> Greg Wocher
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2020, at 9:21 AM, Tibor Niesner >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I want to try Tweetbot. How is it accessible with VoiceOver?
>>> Can I buy it, or not?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Best regard.
>>> 
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Re: Voiceover on mac and Microsoft Teams

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I have a guide which might help if you email me off list I can send to you but 
the Mac desktop version is not great - nor is the windows one from what I 
gather - but I know many sighted friends who hate the desktop versions of teams 
as they are not hugely intuitive - the IPAd version works fairly well with VO 
but there are issues about functionality as it doesn’t have all the features 
etc 

> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:01, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My University is now using Teams for most learning. I was lead to believe it 
> was accessible for Mac users, but I am not finding this to be the case. 
> Sighted help tells me that Microsoft’s own guidance does not do what it says 
> it should do; even using the key control modifier instead of the correct 
> ‘command’.
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> Am I being stupid here or what?
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Re: Using Keynote

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Are you trying to add audio files or narration not an expert but depending on 
what you are tying to do I might be able to help  

> On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:03, Kerryann Ifill  wrote:
> 
> Hi there:
> 
> Does anyone have experience building keynote presentations?  I’m struggling 
> badly with trying to add audio bothe presentation.
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Kerry
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Re: Word processor?

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

You can use Pages which is the Apple wp it is really accessible and you can 
convert files to word files if you need to.

Word for Mac is also available and is getting more and more accessible - but my 
own preference is still pages.

> On 4 Sep 2020, at 12:37, Rena  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>  
> I’m learning how to use the Mac, and I need a word processor similar to MS 
> Word. Is the app Pages the right one? What about Notes? Is it also a word 
> processor?
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Rena
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks Simon 

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:15, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Julie,
>  
> My email address is
> si...@blinky-net.com <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>
>  
> happy to assist if I can
>  
> good luck and don’t stay away to long.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:10 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t 
> want this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided 
> to leave the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as 
> help and advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should all be 
> remembering our humanity some people appear to have lost theirs   
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:05, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>  
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>  
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
> be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>  
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
> stopping this I think that is the issue 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
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> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
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> - Brad -
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>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

Aha agreed I have been really disappointed with the thread and just don’t want 
this kind of stuff in my inbox so am one of the people who has decided to leave 
the list - would be happy to keep in touch with some list members as help and 
advise has been so welcome but at at time when we should all be remembering our 
humanity some people appear to have lost theirs   

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 12:05, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> No that’s why I’m sorry Julie,
>  
> I and a few others have tried and people are not stopping.
> I believe it is time
>   To block the sender and trash their emails,
>  
> Which I hate to say could cause me to miss emails of interest from other 
> members.it’s just so interesting to hear how these perfect people react, must 
> be difficult living in their close minded worlds.
>  
> Simon F
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 11:00 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
> stopping this I think that is the issue 
> 
> 
> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
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> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io <http://groups.io/> email list, I am not aware of a way to 
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> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  <mailto:ali...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

It was not you that made people leave it is rather the lack of a moderator 
stopping this I think that is the issue 

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:57, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Brad, please pass on my apologies to this person for them leaving,
>  
> That wasn’t my intention to make it happen.
> Regards,
>  
>  
> Simon F
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Thursday, 2 July 2020 6:09 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac
>  
> I completely agree.  I can’t believe the moderator has been silent and 
> allowed this crap to go on.
> Unlike a Groups.io  email list, I am not aware of a way to 
> mute a topic.
> It appears that the only way to deal with this is to unsubscribe from the 
> list.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 00:53, alia robinson  > wrote:
>  
> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
>  
>  
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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> Hi,
>  
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
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Re: Endding the RE: article on Firefox accessibility on the mac

[Julie Rattray]

I am sorry that Simon’s well crafted message did not put an end to this and sad 
to see that we have now lost two members publicly and possibly more behind the 
scenes. 

I will not re-itterate the arguments that have already been made about the 
inappropriateness of this thread but would like to just say that despite 
several requests to end it which may have allowed us to move on it has 
continued. I now feel that I have no choice but also to remove myself from the 
list - I had hoped that the list moderators would have stepped in and put an 
end to this but as they have not I feel like others I can no longer be part of 
this group which if, even in small part, by lack of action is supporting hugely 
inappropriate and offensive behaviour.

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 06:53, alia robinson  wrote:
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> and my point is made. we just lost a good member of the list as opposed to 
> this piece of trash who is spouting this shit and staying. I too am gone. I 
> can get mac support anywhere. I am ashamed of what I’ve seen here, and to 
> those who were supportive you rock. to people like ray, phil and chuck I am 
> just hopeful of a future world where these attitudes and the people spouting 
> them are gone. 
> 
> 
> On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:47 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Publicly, I cannot support nor listen to this sort of insensitive bigotry.  
> I’ve got much better things to do with my time and would prefer to surround 
> myself with tolerant, respectful people.  Sadly, I am unsubscribing from this 
> list.
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Re: Microsoft outlook on the Mac

[Julie Rattray]

That would be a fab script if you could make it happen I have just started 
using outlook as it is useful to schedule teams meetings where you are inviting 
others as it puts the link straight in to the invite but it is a little clunky 
to keep switching windows when adding multiple recipients to messages etc 

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 04:21, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> The name completion for Outlook uses a separate window, the window is  
> accessible, but might vanish if you use command-accent to sswitch to it, not 
> sure because I stopped trying several versions ago. What I do, is type the 
> first few characters of who I am sending the message to wait a second for 
> VoiceOver to say Outlook has a new window. I then bring up a window list 
> numpad-/ if you are using numpad commander, twofinger tab on right of touch 
> pad if using touchpad commander, or VO-F2 twice. You can then type in “co” 
> and will find the only selection is contacts. select that and in this window 
> is a list of completions.
> If you beg me to, I could look to see if a AppleScript could make this 
> easier. 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 5:04 PM, 'Nancy Badger' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> hi everyone,
>> I have been partially sighted for the past several years. I have to switch 
>> to complete voice over now because of a surgery I cannot see at all. I am 
>> using voice over with Microsoft outlook on the Mac. When I type a name into 
>> the two column, I can’t figure out how to get to the options. In other words 
>> if I type an email to Doe and I want to click on John Doe, how do I do that 
>> using voiceover? Also if anyone has a list of keyboard commands for 
>> Microsoft outlook I would be very appreciative.
>> Thanks so much!
>> Nancy
>> 
>> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
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Re: Zoom breakout rooms?

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I have been playing with this too and so far it is accessible - I haven’t 
had any bits I couldn’t do yet but will keep you updated 

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 15:56, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Oh, good! Thank you!
> Donna
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> Sent from my iPad
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>> On Jun 28, 2020, at 9:54 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've done a little of this, mostly just in testing mode.  Everything was 
>> accessible to me, although I didn't try it with more than about four 
>> participants.  I expect it would be much different though
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Jun 27, 2020, at 08:01, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Does anyone have experience setting up Zoom breakout rooms? Is that process 
>> accessible?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
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Re: whitch Macbook pro

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I use a Mac with a Touch Bar and really like it it does help with certain 
tasks and if you are used to using the iPhone etc getting used to it is not 
really to difficult.

> On 27 Jun 2020, at 04:37, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
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> Hi ET,
> 
> I'm not a fan of the touch bar myself but Petrus Sterling is using a mac book 
> pro with the touch bar and I believe he's very happy with it,
> 
> 
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> -Original Message-
> From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries  
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: whitch Macbook pro
> 
>I've been looking at this too. I'm not concerned about the Touch Bar 
> though as I will likely get used to it. The 13" model with 4 USB ports starts 
> at $1799.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>ancient.ali...@icloud.com
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> in the past. What if it were true?
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> On 6/26/2020 3:37 PM, 'andrew' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Thinking of upgrading my Macbook Pro 2013 to a new machine.
>> I need a nice full keyboard with sizable buttons and as many USB's as 
>> I can get.
>> I hate the sound of the Tuch Bar that took over from the F keys.
>> I'll probably also get an external full size keyboard.
>> Any ideas on which model to look for.
>> Very best wishes.
>> Andy.
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks Simon yes I tried these things but will double check again because I 
haven’t used a windows machine for such a long timer and I don’t really plan to 
use this one it is just for one of my kids 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 22:52, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I know this is probably something you’ve done but
> Have you selected the correct account type?
> iMap obviously 
>  
> and then ensure that you have the correct server and ports / encryption type 
> selected?
>  
> Even selecting the ssl rather than ssl / tls can cause things not to work.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Thursday, 25 June 2020 10:53 PM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I 
> have been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud 
> account (on a windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the 
> correct email address and password and checking server settings which mirror 
> those I see on mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their 
> something I need to do that I am missing 
> 
> 
> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>  
> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been very reliable 
> for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. One of my 
> accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Hello all. 
>  
> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>  
> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up 
> globally using theICloud.com <http://icloud.com/> (I go on about it enough as 
> you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, it’s 
> all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately there 
> are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of them.  
> Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those unwanted 
> folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!
>  
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Re: zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Also when someone is waiting it does say press  cmd + to open the pop up which 
I think if you do it quickly works but if not the pop up disappears 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 05:07, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> yes.  Thanks for reminding me Julie, and thanks for pointing out the specific 
> shortcut Brad.  Using cmd-u to open the Participants panel does reduce the 
> number of steps to admit people.  I usually open it right after I start the 
> session, so often forget about that shortcut.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:17 PM, Brad Snyder  > wrote:
> 
> Command plus U will open the participants panel.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 18:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Make sure that the Participants panel is open.  It’s not usually open by 
> default.  VO-space on the Participants button to open it.  If someone is 
> waiting in the Waiting Room, then there will be a table.  You can use 
> VO-cmd-t to quickly move to that table, then VO left a time or two and VO 
> should announce how many people are in the Waiting Room.  There should also 
> be an Admit All button.  If you wish to be more discerning, and if you have 
> numerous people in the Waiting Room, then interact with it and interact with 
> the row with the name of the person you wish to admit.  VO-right to find the 
> Admit button and VO-space on it.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Marie Lyons  > wrote:
> 
> I attempted to host a meeting but the participant couldn’t get into the 
> meeting. He said I had to let him in. I looked through the menus but couldn’t 
> figure out how to do this. What do I have to do as host to let people into 
> the meeting?
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks I will try that 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 15:13, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> If you are trying to use n iCloud email address on a Windows machine, I think 
> you will need to first download and install iCloud for Windows,
> See the following Apple support website for more information and a download 
> link:
> 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204283 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204283>
> 
> HTH
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 25, 2020, at 05:53, Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I 
> have been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud 
> account (on a windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the 
> correct email address and password and checking server settings which mirror 
> those I see on mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their 
> something I need to do that I am missing 
> 
>> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been very reliable 
>> for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. One of 
>> my accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
>> 
>> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>>> 
>>> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
>>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules 
>>> up globally using the ICloud.com <http://icloud.com/> (I go on about it 
>>> enough as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the 
>>> Mac, it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but 
>>> unfortunately there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I 
>>> will get rid of them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can 
>>> delete those unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in 
>>> junk inboxes!
>>> 
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Re: Outlook on the Mac has been fixed for me!

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Can you help this is a non vo question but as a windows user of outlook I have 
been trying to set up an email account on outlook it is an iCloud account (on a 
windows machine for one of my kids) despite putting in the correct email 
address and password and checking server settings which mirror those I see on 
mail in the Mac it won’t accept the account - is their something I need to do 
that I am missing 

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:56, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I just wanted to note that Microsoft Outlook for Mac has been   very 
> reliable for me - more so than the Windows version, which crashes too often. 
> One of my accounts absolutely requires Outlook.
> 
> On 6/24/20 6:46 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> If you remember the other day I sent an email of how to set up folders in 
>> Windows using Narrator and Jaws when using the ICloud App.
>> 
>> Well, I did have outlook on the Mac and I deleted the account to see what 
>> would happen as I wasn’t getting all my sub folders as I had set my rules up 
>> globally using the ICloud.com  (I go on about it enough 
>> as you will all know).  So once I added my account to outlook on the Mac, 
>> it’s all fixed, my outlook folders are showing on the Mac but unfortunately 
>> there are inboxes in it that I will not use.  I wonder how I will get rid of 
>> them.  Some experimenting I will have to do to see if I can delete those 
>> unwanted folders.  I don’t know why Microsoft have to put in junk inboxes!
>> 
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Re: zoom

[Julie Rattray]

I think there is also a command you can use to let them in that is a zoom 
shortcut it announces when someone enters the waiting room - only tired it once 
and someone spoke to me when it announced so can’t remember it but will see if 
I can find it  

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 00:24, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Make sure that the Participants panel is open.  It’s not usually open by 
> default.  VO-space on the Participants button to open it.  If someone is 
> waiting in the Waiting Room, then there will be a table.  You can use 
> VO-cmd-t to quickly move to that table, then VO left a time or two and VO 
> should announce how many people are in the Waiting Room.  There should also 
> be an Admit All button.  If you wish to be more discerning, and if you have 
> numerous people in the Waiting Room, then interact with it and interact with 
> the row with the name of the person you wish to admit.  VO-right to find the 
> Admit button and VO-space on it.
> 
> That should do it.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Marie Lyons  > wrote:
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> I attempted to host a meeting but the participant couldn’t get into the 
> meeting. He said I had to let him in. I looked through the menus but couldn’t 
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> the meeting?
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Atlas or enviro

[Julie Rattray]

Dear list,

Has anyone used either the Atlas or enviro programmes for coding and analysing 
qualitative data - I want to see if either of them is accessible with VO and 
wondered if anyone had any advice or tips to share.

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Re: Accessibility response to my query re VO reading comments on iPad

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks this is really helpful 

> On 22 Jun 2020, at 16:58, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I sent my question about reading comments on the iPad to Apple Accessibility. 
> I'm forwarding their response below in case it is of interest to anyone else 
> on the list. As you'll see, it includes a link to iPad keyboard shortcuts. I 
> knew many of them, but not all of them.  Hope this is helpful
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> Hello Donna,
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. You can use the Actions rotor in Pages to activate 
>> “Show comment,” “Show next change or comment,” or “Show previous change or 
>> comment.” Activating either one of these actions will place VoiceOver on the 
>> next or previous comment that was left in the Pages document. You can also 
>> use the “Show Annotations” rotor when the focus of VoiceOver is placed on 
>> the body of the document. 
>> 
>> If you happen to be using a keyboard with your iPad, we also have a list of 
>> handy keyboard shortcuts that are available both with and without VoiceOver 
>> enabled for Pages.
>> 
>> https://support.apple.com/guide/pages-ipad/keyboard-shortcuts-tan3b1ff7f35/10.0/ipados/1.0
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility 
>> http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility 
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Re: DBT on the Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Thanks I used the webform and Don has already replied asking some follow up so 
fingers crossed - thanks for the advice it is funny all works well until it 
doesn’t and then it feels like an endless cycle of trying things but I am sure 
now I have made contact with DBT they will be able to help 

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> Hi Julie,
> 
> I remembered that you are in the UK right after I sent my message. Sorry! I 
> wish I could be of more help, but I’ve only used Duxbury on the PC. I can 
> tell you, though, that the Index—an Everest-D in my case, is incredibly 
> fiddly. I have to call DB tech support every time I’ve had to set it up on a 
> new PC. The good news is that once you get it set up correctly, you shouldn’t 
> have any more problems.
> 
> I *think* that their email is supp...@duxsys.com. You might give that a try.
> Good luck!
> Cheers,
> Donna 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 7:11 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks donna I am based in the uk and couldn’t find a number to call - I 
>> have sent a web form support request and am hoping they get back to me as it 
>> is driving me nuts - I have used it very successfully on my machine running 
>> Mohavi but just when I try to put it on my newer machine with Catalina it 
>> keeps crashing 
>> 
>>> On 19 Jun 2020, at 13:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Julie,
>>> 
>>> I’ve had excellent experience with Duxbury tech support. Don Breda has been 
>>> very helpful to me over the years. I would suggest you give them a call.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:51 AM, Julie Rattray  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks I did a fresh install of DBT yesterday and then set up index a new 
>>>> with the latest drivers downloaded from index - it is so odd - it seems to 
>>>> just crash sort of randomly sometimes I get as far as emboss before it 
>>>> crashes but other times it does it if I click on a menu option so I had 
>>>> set the embosser up in global settings but once my doc was open I thought 
>>>> I would just check embosser settings under the doc menu and it crashed 
>>>> again - it is all very odd and driving me nuts  
>>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Jun 2020, at 23:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> DBT works fine under Catalina. I take it that other than trying to send a 
>>>>> job to the embosser, DBT is fine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Couple things you might try. Remove and reinstall the Index and check the 
>>>>> related settings. If no go, deactivate DNT, uninstall it then do a fresh 
>>>>> install.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6/18/2020 2:39 PM, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>>>>> Dear listers,
>>>>>> I am hoping someone can help I have installed DBt 12.3 on my Mac running 
>>>>>> Catalina but each time I open the programme it crashes before I can 
>>>>>> emboss the document - I have DBt on an older Mac running Mohavi with no 
>>>>>> issues and have downloaded the most recent version from DBt website - 
>>>>>> don’t think this is really a vo issue but wondered if anyone else was 
>>>>>> having issues or could suggest any thing to try?
>>>>>> The embosser is set up properly I am using an index basic D v5 and have 
>>>>>> trialled straight from word using index braille translation  - this is 
>>>>>> ok but as you know you can’t really do formatting etc with it so want to 
>>>>>> use DBt again.
>>>>>> All help and suggestions grateful received
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Re: DBT on the Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks donna I am based in the uk and couldn’t find a number to call - I have 
sent a web form support request and am hoping they get back to me as it is 
driving me nuts - I have used it very successfully on my machine running Mohavi 
but just when I try to put it on my newer machine with Catalina it keeps 
crashing 

> On 19 Jun 2020, at 13:08, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie,
> 
> I’ve had excellent experience with Duxbury tech support. Don Breda has been 
> very helpful to me over the years. I would suggest you give them a call.
> Best,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2020, at 2:51 AM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks I did a fresh install of DBT yesterday and then set up index a new 
>> with the latest drivers downloaded from index - it is so odd - it seems to 
>> just crash sort of randomly sometimes I get as far as emboss before it 
>> crashes but other times it does it if I click on a menu option so I had set 
>> the embosser up in global settings but once my doc was open I thought I 
>> would just check embosser settings under the doc menu and it crashed again - 
>> it is all very odd and driving me nuts  
>> 
>>> On 18 Jun 2020, at 23:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> DBT works fine under Catalina. I take it that other than trying to send a 
>>> job to the embosser, DBT is fine?
>>> 
>>> Couple things you might try. Remove and reinstall the Index and check the 
>>> related settings. If no go, deactivate DNT, uninstall it then do a fresh 
>>> install.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> Many believe that we have been visited
>>> in the past. What if it were true?
>>> 
>>>> On 6/18/2020 2:39 PM, Julie Rattray wrote:
>>>> Dear listers,
>>>> I am hoping someone can help I have installed DBt 12.3 on my Mac running 
>>>> Catalina but each time I open the programme it crashes before I can emboss 
>>>> the document - I have DBt on an older Mac running Mohavi with no issues 
>>>> and have downloaded the most recent version from DBt website - don’t think 
>>>> this is really a vo issue but wondered if anyone else was having issues or 
>>>> could suggest any thing to try?
>>>> The embosser is set up properly I am using an index basic D v5 and have 
>>>> trialled straight from word using index braille translation  - this is ok 
>>>> but as you know you can’t really do formatting etc with it so want to use 
>>>> DBt again.
>>>> All help and suggestions grateful received
>>> 
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Re: Microsoft Teams

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use it and can try to help - the first thing I would say is that the desktop 
version is really not that accessible if you have an iPad though it is much 
easier to use and actually works well.

If you got a calendar invite for the meeting then you can click the join button 
in the invite and that makes it easier on the desktop version 

So the first thing is could you use in an iPad  

> On 19 Jun 2020, at 13:06, 'Adrienne Chalmers' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> Has anyone got any advice for using Microsoft Teams with VO? I only know one 
> other VO user who has experience of this and they couldn’t get it to work at 
> all.
> 
> I just downloaded the app and it’s directing me to use Skype instead. 
> 
> I wouldn’t bother with it, but, ironically, it’s for a meeting of the Digital 
> Participation Group at the Scottish Parliament.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Adrienne
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Re: DBT on the Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Thanks I did a fresh install of DBT yesterday and then set up index a new with 
the latest drivers downloaded from index - it is so odd - it seems to just 
crash sort of randomly sometimes I get as far as emboss before it crashes but 
other times it does it if I click on a menu option so I had set the embosser up 
in global settings but once my doc was open I thought I would just check 
embosser settings under the doc menu and it crashed again - it is all very odd 
and driving me nuts  

> On 18 Jun 2020, at 23:20, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>   DBT works fine under Catalina. I take it that other than trying to send a 
> job to the embosser, DBT is fine?
> 
>   Couple things you might try. Remove and reinstall the Index and check the 
> related settings. If no go, deactivate DNT, uninstall it then do a fresh 
> install.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> Many believe that we have been visited
> in the past. What if it were true?
> 
> On 6/18/2020 2:39 PM, Julie Rattray wrote:
>> Dear listers,
>> I am hoping someone can help I have installed DBt 12.3 on my Mac running 
>> Catalina but each time I open the programme it crashes before I can emboss 
>> the document - I have DBt on an older Mac running Mohavi with no issues and 
>> have downloaded the most recent version from DBt website - don’t think this 
>> is really a vo issue but wondered if anyone else was having issues or could 
>> suggest any thing to try?
>> The embosser is set up properly I am using an index basic D v5 and have 
>> trialled straight from word using index braille translation  - this is ok 
>> but as you know you can’t really do formatting etc with it so want to use 
>> DBt again.
>> All help and suggestions grateful received
> 
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DBT on the Mac

[Julie Rattray]

Dear listers,

I am hoping someone can help I have installed DBt 12.3 on my Mac running 
Catalina but each time I open the programme it crashes before I can emboss the 
document - I have DBt on an older Mac running Mohavi with no issues and have 
downloaded the most recent version from DBt website - don’t think this is 
really a vo issue but wondered if anyone else was having issues or could 
suggest any thing to try?

The embosser is set up properly I am using an index basic D v5 and have 
trialled straight from word using index braille translation  - this is ok but 
as you know you can’t really do formatting etc with it so want to use DBt again.

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Re: Working with Comments in Pages on the iPad?

[Julie Rattray]

Not done it with the iPad but will have a play have you tried using the 
keyboard commands you would use on the desktop version 

> On 13 Jun 2020, at 13:23, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I’m playing around with Pages on the iPad, particularly how to work with 
> comments, and am hoping someone has the answers to a couple of questions.
> 
> 1. Is there a keyboard command to insert a comment?
> 2. Is there a way to have VO read comments while in the Document body?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
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Re: Reading pdf's on the Mac with preview?

[Julie Rattray]

If it says it on each page it is likely to be some kind of header in the doc 
that might be a logo or something that is not tagged  

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 02:50, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> VoiceOver says “Image” because the file you are reading contains an untagged 
> image or picture file.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 11, 2020, at 18:24, Matt Turner  > wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that.
> it can read the text fine.
> It just says image after the page number, then it reads the text.
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2020, at 5:01 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Sounds like these are scanned documents. I found one that VO could not read 
>> but others VO was fine with them in Preview.
>> 
>>  An app like Finereader may be able to read those where VO says image.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 6/11/2020 12:17 PM, Matt Turner wrote:
>>> Hi, hope everyone is doing well.
>>> After VoiceOver reads the page number, it also reads something like image.
>>> It's read like this on every pdf I’ve  read with preview.
>>> Just curious if VoiceOver  suppose to say image, and what that image could 
>>> be?
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Re: Twitterrific for Mac?

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I also use night owl for twitter on the Mac which is fairly accessible to 

> On 12 Jun 2020, at 09:03, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi Traci,
> 
> I use Twitterrific for mac on Sierra all the time.  It’s fairly accessible, 
> and it has a fair number of shortcut keys.  Once you’ve signed into your 
> account, the table will populate with the tweets.  You can move up and down 
> the table using arrow keys.  Voiceover is quite vocal in Twitterrific as it 
> announces all the flats & graphics people choose to put on their tweets so it 
> gets a bit annoying.  If a tweet has a link, you can press option+right arrow 
> and it will open in a browser.  If it has an image attached or a sound clip, 
> you press enter and you can examine the window in the usual way.  If it’s a 
> sound file, it will automatically play, if it’s an image, it’s inaccessible 
> but there’s a share button which allows you to forward it in a message or 
> email to yourself & download it and if necessary use OcR on it.  It’s rather 
> tiresome.  To retweet, you press command+e, to reply command+r, to open the 
> profile of the author command +u which opens another area where you can do 
> other things like block or see profile or their tweets or follow or unfollow. 
>  Command+left arrow will open up a table of responses to particular tweet.
> 
> If you explore the menus inn Twitterrific, you can see some other shortcut 
> keys I may have missed.  The annoying thing for me is that I cannot find the 
> button for quoting a tweet with a comment.  Or yes, to jump to top of a table 
> of tweets, option+up arrow & down arrow to the bottom.  If you interact a 
> couple of times with the row on which a particular tweet is, you get some 
> other options as well.
> 
> Hope this will get you started.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 25 May 2020, at 20:36, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all, looking around the app store for a Twitter client that will work on 
>> High Sierra. Twitterrific fits the bill. Anyone use this on the Mac? Could 
>> you give some feedback on your experience?
>> 
>> In the mean time, I’ve installed Friendly for Twitter, but I’m not loving 
>> it. Lol
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

I wonder if it does depend on version the last time I used Xoom on my Mac with 
AirPods people could still here the speech - if I muted my  audio when not 
speaking that stopped the problem I have recently updated zoom again and 
haven’t asked people about VO but will do in my next zoom meeting  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 22:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brad,
> 
> Interesting.  I tested this specifically prior to posting so that I could be 
> accurate.  I used both a Mac Pro and an iMac for the Mac side, and my iPad 
> Pro on the iPadOS side.  It did work exactly as I outlined.  I’d be 
> interested to hear about the settings that would cause this behaviour to do 
> other than I’ve mentioned.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:59 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> To rebut your clarification, when using Zoom on an iOS device, it has been my 
> experience that participants can hear VoiceOver loud and clear when someone 
> is not using headphones or a headset during a Zoom meeting .   
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:44, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> An update and clarification with respect to others hearing VoiceOver when in 
> a Zoom session.  If you’re on a Mac, without headphones, then others will 
> hear your VoiceOver navigation.  When using iOS/iPadOS, this is not the case, 
> as VoiceOver sound is not passed through the mic to Zoom and onto other 
> participants.  This appears to be similar to how FaceTime on the Mac is able 
> to ignore VO audio and does not pass this through to others on a FaceTime 
> call.  Therefore, as a matter of politeness and respect, I would concur with 
> Brad in recommending that you always use headphones when in a Zoom session on 
> your Mac.  It does not appear to be necessary on iOS/iPadOS.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Brad Snyder  <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
> 
> I usually use a Bose Bluetooth headset.  It can be used on both an iOS device 
> and a Mac and provides good sound quality.  The microphone is not 
> professional quality, but I am told it sounds pretty good in most situations. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:30, Robin  <mailto:robin-mel...@comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>>> inconsiderate.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this featur

Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

If you can stretch to it the AirPods Pro are fab for noise cancelation  

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:30, Robin  wrote:
> 
> Can  AnyOne recommend  a  HeadSet that would be Great to Reduce TheNoise  in 
> YourEnvironment  that can be used  when Attending a  Zoom CloudMeetin' on 
> Your MAC or iOS device?
> All suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Thanx 4 taking the Time Out of YourBusy Day & Schedule 2  Read  & Respond to 
> MyMessage, as it's VeryMuch & Greatly appreciated!
> 
> Blessin's 
> At 12:21 PM 6/10/2020, you wrote:
>> I don't think so.
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:15 PM, Brad Snyder >> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
>>> 
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud >> <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
>>> can't.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>>>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>>>> inconsiderate.
>>>> 
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray >>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>>>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>>>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>>>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the 
>>>> call and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to 
>>>> reduce this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily 
>>>> unmute when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled 
>>>> in settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>>>> 
>>>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice 
>>>> can be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we 
>>>> could help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that 
>>>> again if people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >>>> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than 
>>>>> on a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly 
>>>>> pointing that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone 
>>>>> propped in a way to leave your hands free.
>>>>> Dave Carlson
>>>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

Interestingly this is not the case with ms teams people can not hear vo but 
they can with zoom 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 20:15, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> They are being kind.  If you can hear it, so can everyone else. 
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 14:06, Lorie McCloud  <mailto:lorice...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I don't think others can hear vo on my iPad when I use it. they say they 
> can't.
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Brad Snyder > <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
>> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
>> inconsiderate.
>> 
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
>> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
>> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There 
>> is the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call 
>> and they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce 
>> this is to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute 
>> when you want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in 
>> settings but once you have done this it really is a good thing.
>> 
>> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
>> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
>> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
>> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
>> 
>>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson >> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>>> to leave your hands free.
>>> Dave Carlson
>>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

It is nothing to do with headphones I use zoom with AirPods and people still 
hear voiceover 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 17:10, Brad Snyder  wrote:
> 
> No matter what platform you use, you should always use headphones or a 
> headset. Forcing others on the call to hear your screen reader is just 
> inconsiderate.
> 
> - Brad -
> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 10:14, Julie Rattray  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the 
> meeting host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you 
> might want that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is 
> the issue that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and 
> they say it is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is 
> to mute your mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you 
> want to speak - you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but 
> once you have done this it really is a good thing.
> 
> If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can 
> be offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could 
> help one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if 
> people want it - although we do need to navigate time zones
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
>> 
>> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on 
>> a Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing 
>> that gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way 
>> to leave your hands free.
>> Dave Carlson
>> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: Zoom Meetings

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I think in many ways it depends what you want to do etc if you are the meeting 
host then the Mac version gives more control and features so you might want 
that - the IPAd or phone versions are simpler interfaces. There is the issue 
that voiceover can be heard but I have asked others on the call and they say it 
is not really much much of a problem - one way to reduce this is to mute your 
mike and then use the space bar to temporarily unmute when you want to speak - 
you need to ensure this feature is enabled in settings but once you have done 
this it really is a good thing.

If you let us know what kinds of things you want to do maybe more advice can be 
offered - Tim Paul joy and I did a couple of practice zooms so we could help 
one another out and that was really useful - happy to do that again if people 
want it - although we do need to navigate time zones

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 15:38, Dave Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Agree with Simon. The Zoom interface is less cluttered on an iPhone than on a 
> Mac. It’s just holding the phone so that the camera is properly pointing that 
> gets a bit tiresome. Nicer if you can have the phone propped in a way to 
> leave your hands free.
> Dave Carlson
> dgcarlson0...@gmail.com
> 
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Re: Asking Siri to play music

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I think that is it sometimes if there is multiple forms of a name i.e. 
album name, track name etc you need to give more info - I find that certain 
things you need to be very specific about what you want her to play 

> On 29 May 2020, at 08:17, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> I’m wondering if the issue comes up when you ask her to play an album that 
> has a track of the same name,
>  
> Such as AC/DC’s back in black,
>  
> I asked her to play that and she played the track not the entire album,
>  
> And she does tend to say playing the album
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Friday, 29 May 2020 2:21 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Asking Siri to play music
>  
> Hi!
> Yes i think you’re right about that.
> I’ve tried to ask siri to play heaven and hell by black sabbath and that 
> works like a charm.
> It seems to play the whole album wich was what i wanted it to do.
> /A
> 
> 
> 27 maj 2020 kl. 23:00 skrev Petrus Tuerlings  >:
>  
> Hi all,
> Sorry for bringing this up again, but I’ve been playing around with Siri and 
> asking it  to play  music while I was at work. last night I wanted to listen 
> to Ronnie James Dio, this is your Life and Siri told me She couldn’t find it 
> in my music library. So I asked it to play Dio this is your life and it 
> played the title track from the Album but not the entire album. This got me 
> thinking. I remember Anders asking Siri to play British Steel and it told  
> him the same thing. So I think Siri is focusing on individual songs and not 
> Albums.  So this morning I asked Siri to Play the Album Ronnie James Dio this 
> is your life and it played it straight off. Maybe Anders should try asking 
> Siri to Play the Album British steel by judas Priest and see if it gets it 
> right. This may not work but I think it’s all in the way you ask Siri 
> sometimes. I tried it on a couple more Albums I have in my Music  Library 
> that hasn’t worked in the past and made sure to start my request to Siri with 
> Play the Album, such and such and it worked every time.   
> Sent from Petrus' MacBook 
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Re: Chat function using Voice over in Zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I am also happy to help with this if that would be useful - Tim you have my 
email for zoom so if you are setting something up and it would be helpful for 
me to join so I can be the spare computer then just let me know  

> On 26 May 2020, at 17:22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> Donna and Paul.  If you’re still interested in a Zoom session to learn more 
> Zoom management and such, contact me off-list please.  My address for this 
> would be kilbu...@me.com <mailto:kilbu...@me.com>.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 22, 2020, at 7:18 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> I would too. It can be hard to figure things out when you are in a meeting.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On May 22, 2020, at 7:37 AM, Paul Parravano > <mailto:pa...@mit.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>>  I’d be very happy to participate in such a gathering, to practice various 
>> Zoom features with the Mac.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Paul
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 19:08, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I agree.  I find it most distracting in the iPad app for Zoom.  I haven’t 
>>> found the option on the Mac version yet, but in the iPad version, you can 
>>> mute the chat announcements.  If you wish, and have time, we can set up a 
>>> Zoom meeting and practice on some of the features so that we can pretend 
>>> we’re smarter during the meetings we host or participate in.
>>> 
>>> Lots of this is pretty easy for the sighted user, but takes a bit more work 
>>> for us.
>>> 
>>> Later…
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Jamf Certified Tech
>>> Apple Teacher
>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Julie Rattray >> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I find it a bit off putting if there is too much chat activity during a 
>>> meeting 
>>> 
>>>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Julie, 
>>>> 
>>>> I don't use the chat function a ton, but my experience matches yours.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Julie Rattray >>>> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hmm this is strange I think normally you just hit return and it sends - 
>>>>> maybe someone else can help - the only thing is there is an option to 
>>>>> choose who it goes to and I wonder if you hit this it brings up a search 
>>>>> field and that is where you typed?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am not hugely experienced with zoom just learning myself 
>>>>> 
>>>>> For example does anyone know if there is a way to work out when someone 
>>>>> in a zoom raises their hand - I can raise my own hand but how would I 
>>>>> identify if others had?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:09, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>>>> >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi All.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was part of a zoom meeting earlier on and I found I could not send a 
>>>>>> chat to the group.  When I typed my question in the chat edit field, I 
>>>>>> thought I’d press enter and the message would send.  So when I did go 
>>>>>> back in to the edit field with vo left arrow, the chat was still there 
>>>>>> and it didn’t send to the group.  So if someone could write me the key 
>>>>>> strokes to send chat using voice over, I’d be grateful.  At least I can 
>>>>>> mute and unmute myself in a meeting which is a marked improvement.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>> 
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>>>>>&

Re: Chat function using Voice over in Zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Yes that would be fab - I did that with a friend on teams - not that I am an 
expert but had more knowledge than her so we played about and it was fun to do 
that so yes lets try 

We could then maybe see if we could compile some suggestions for the zoom 
people to incorporate that might be helpful.

One thing I will say is that unlike teams I do find both the iPad and desktop 
version easy to work with whereas with Teams the iPad version is fine - almost 
but the desktop version drives me bananas 


> On 22 May 2020, at 00:08, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I agree.  I find it most distracting in the iPad app for Zoom.  I haven’t 
> found the option on the Mac version yet, but in the iPad version, you can 
> mute the chat announcements.  If you wish, and have time, we can set up a 
> Zoom meeting and practice on some of the features so that we can pretend 
> we’re smarter during the meetings we host or participate in.
> 
> Lots of this is pretty easy for the sighted user, but takes a bit more work 
> for us.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 5:05 PM, Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I find it a bit off putting if there is too much chat activity during a 
> meeting 
> 
>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Julie, 
>> 
>> I don't use the chat function a ton, but my experience matches yours.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Julie Rattray >> <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm this is strange I think normally you just hit return and it sends - 
>>> maybe someone else can help - the only thing is there is an option to 
>>> choose who it goes to and I wonder if you hit this it brings up a search 
>>> field and that is where you typed?
>>> 
>>> I am not hugely experienced with zoom just learning myself 
>>> 
>>> For example does anyone know if there is a way to work out when someone in 
>>> a zoom raises their hand - I can raise my own hand but how would I identify 
>>> if others had?
>>> 
>>>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:09, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All.
>>>> 
>>>> I was part of a zoom meeting earlier on and I found I could not send a 
>>>> chat to the group.  When I typed my question in the chat edit field, I 
>>>> thought I’d press enter and the message would send.  So when I did go back 
>>>> in to the edit field with vo left arrow, the chat was still there and it 
>>>> didn’t send to the group.  So if someone could write me the key strokes to 
>>>> send chat using voice over, I’d be grateful.  At least I can mute and 
>>>> unmute myself in a meeting which is a marked improvement.  
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your help.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> 
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Re: Chat function using Voice over in Zoom

[Julie Rattray]

I find it a bit off putting if there is too much chat activity during a meeting 

> On 21 May 2020, at 23:54, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Julie, 
> 
> I don't use the chat function a ton, but my experience matches yours.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm this is strange I think normally you just hit return and it sends - 
>> maybe someone else can help - the only thing is there is an option to choose 
>> who it goes to and I wonder if you hit this it brings up a search field and 
>> that is where you typed?
>> 
>> I am not hugely experienced with zoom just learning myself 
>> 
>> For example does anyone know if there is a way to work out when someone in a 
>> zoom raises their hand - I can raise my own hand but how would I identify if 
>> others had?
>> 
>>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:09, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All.
>>> 
>>> I was part of a zoom meeting earlier on and I found I could not send a chat 
>>> to the group.  When I typed my question in the chat edit field, I thought 
>>> I’d press enter and the message would send.  So when I did go back in to 
>>> the edit field with vo left arrow, the chat was still there and it didn’t 
>>> send to the group.  So if someone could write me the key strokes to send 
>>> chat using voice over, I’d be grateful.  At least I can mute and unmute 
>>> myself in a meeting which is a marked improvement.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: Chat function using Voice over in Zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Thanks Tim,

This does of course mean that you need to keep checking - it would be great if 
you could get some kind of audible notification if you were the meeting 
organiser that a hand was up - maybe this will come in the future. I am having 
to teach now using either teams or zoom and am looking at different was of 
facilitating teaching. I might have students take it in turn to monitor hand 
raising as a way of drawing them in but it would be good if we could get a ping 
to show a hand was up.

 

> On 22 May 2020, at 00:01, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie,
> 
> If you can navigate to the Participants list, when you move through the list, 
> it should announce if a hand is up.  If you are the host, then you can even 
> put their hand back down.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 21, 2020, at 4:54 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Julie, 
> 
> I don't use the chat function a ton, but my experience matches yours.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On May 21, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hmm this is strange I think normally you just hit return and it sends - 
>> maybe someone else can help - the only thing is there is an option to choose 
>> who it goes to and I wonder if you hit this it brings up a search field and 
>> that is where you typed?
>> 
>> I am not hugely experienced with zoom just learning myself 
>> 
>> For example does anyone know if there is a way to work out when someone in a 
>> zoom raises their hand - I can raise my own hand but how would I identify if 
>> others had?
>> 
>>> On 21 May 2020, at 23:09, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All.
>>> 
>>> I was part of a zoom meeting earlier on and I found I could not send a chat 
>>> to the group.  When I typed my question in the chat edit field, I thought 
>>> I’d press enter and the message would send.  So when I did go back in to 
>>> the edit field with vo left arrow, the chat was still there and it didn’t 
>>> send to the group.  So if someone could write me the key strokes to send 
>>> chat using voice over, I’d be grateful.  At least I can mute and unmute 
>>> myself in a meeting which is a marked improvement.  
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your help.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
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Re: Chat function using Voice over in Zoom

[Julie Rattray]

Hmm this is strange I think normally you just hit return and it sends - maybe 
someone else can help - the only thing is there is an option to choose who it 
goes to and I wonder if you hit this it brings up a search field and that is 
where you typed?

I am not hugely experienced with zoom just learning myself 

For example does anyone know if there is a way to work out when someone in a 
zoom raises their hand - I can raise my own hand but how would I identify if 
others had?

> On 21 May 2020, at 23:09, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All.
> 
> I was part of a zoom meeting earlier on and I found I could not send a chat 
> to the group.  When I typed my question in the chat edit field, I thought I’d 
> press enter and the message would send.  So when I did go back in to the edit 
> field with vo left arrow, the chat was still there and it didn’t send to the 
> group.  So if someone could write me the key strokes to send chat using voice 
> over, I’d be grateful.  At least I can mute and unmute myself in a meeting 
> which is a marked improvement.  
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
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Re: Variety of Mac questions

[Julie Rattray]

Yes me to 

> On 18 May 2020, at 20:42, Paul Parravano  wrote:
> 
> Hey John,
> 
> Hope you are holding up ok.
> 
> I just recently replaced my first Mac and have the new 16 inch MacBook pro 
> with the touch bar. I’m very slowly learning to use it and am anxious to use 
> it effectively.
> 
> Any chance you might develop one of those highly effective and valuable 
> Panarese tutorials on how to customize the thing? I’d buy one in a heart beat.
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2020, at 13:39, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  Actually, the Touch Bar is a very powerful and useful tool, and many people 
>> use it effectively on the Mac Book Pro. From a blind perspective, you have 
>> to get used to it and take your time learning it. You can even customize the 
>> Touch Bar for specific apps to do quick actions for that app. I have slowly 
>> come along and have taken my time learning to use it. I finally am at the 
>> point in which I am customizing its options and making effective use of it.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Answers inline because there’s a lot of questions, sorry.
>>> 
 On May 18, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
 Hi all, I have a variety of Mac questions.
 
 MacBook Pro 
 As voiceover users, what are your thoughts on the MacPro touch bar? Is 
 that a selling point over the MacBook Air?
>>> Its not. The Touch Bar, for me, sucks, makes things slower, and should be 
>>> on Air MacBooks for consumers who like shiny new stuff, instead of pros for 
>>> people who try their best to get work done. Yes, I really don’t like it.
>>> 
 
 Mac mini 
 Does anyone have experience choosing and connecting a monitor to the Mac 
 mini? Picking out a good one for sighted household members? ;) I was under 
 some assumption that a TV would work fine, but from my reading, that 
 doesn't sound the case. It didn't occur to me, that monitors are built for 
 sitting close, TV's are built for sitting away. Insert face-palm here.
>>> I just used a TV for my old Mac mini. It was a small TV, like a 21 inch or 
>>> so. 
 
 Mac bluetooth accessories
 I've recently learned about bluetooth numb pads. I remember way back in 
 the day, I loved using an external numb pad with my Window's machine. 
 Anyone with experience using one of these with Mac? I know the numb pad 
 will extend voiceover commands, but I don't know if a bluetooth one will 
 do this.
>>> It should.
>>> 
 
 Thanks for the help. I am ready to upgrade my MacBook Air mid 2011, but 
 clearly having a hard time deciding.
 
 Traci 
 
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Re: Variety of Mac questions

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I agree re the Touch Bar I find it really helpful for lots of things like 
formatting documents quickly and editing - have not started to customise yet 
but would love to know what you are doing in this respect to see if I can 
borrow ideas etc 

> On 18 May 2020, at 18:39, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>   Actually, the Touch Bar is a very powerful and useful tool, and many people 
> use it effectively on the Mac Book Pro. From a blind perspective, you have to 
> get used to it and take your time learning it. You can even customize the 
> Touch Bar for specific apps to do quick actions for that app. I have slowly 
> come along and have taken my time learning to use it. I finally am at the 
> point in which I am customizing its options and making effective use of it.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 18, 2020, at 1:34 PM, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Answers inline because there’s a lot of questions, sorry.
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2020, at 12:23 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, I have a variety of Mac questions.
>>> 
>>> MacBook Pro 
>>> As voiceover users, what are your thoughts on the MacPro touch bar? Is that 
>>> a selling point over the MacBook Air?
>> Its not. The Touch Bar, for me, sucks, makes things slower, and should be on 
>> Air MacBooks for consumers who like shiny new stuff, instead of pros for 
>> people who try their best to get work done. Yes, I really don’t like it.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Mac mini 
>>> Does anyone have experience choosing and connecting a monitor to the Mac 
>>> mini? Picking out a good one for sighted household members? ;) I was under 
>>> some assumption that a TV would work fine, but from my reading, that 
>>> doesn't sound the case. It didn't occur to me, that monitors are built for 
>>> sitting close, TV's are built for sitting away. Insert face-palm here.
>> I just used a TV for my old Mac mini. It was a small TV, like a 21 inch or 
>> so. 
>>> 
>>> Mac bluetooth accessories
>>> I've recently learned about bluetooth numb pads. I remember way back in the 
>>> day, I loved using an external numb pad with my Window's machine. Anyone 
>>> with experience using one of these with Mac? I know the numb pad will 
>>> extend voiceover commands, but I don't know if a bluetooth one will do this.
>> It should.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the help. I am ready to upgrade my MacBook Air mid 2011, but 
>>> clearly having a hard time deciding.
>>> 
>>> Traci 
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Re: iTunes store purchase redownloads.

[Julie Rattray]

Stupid question and I am sure you have looked but you might need to do it on a 
Mac - check your account details and purchases do they not show there? 

> On 13 May 2020, at 09:18, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lists,
>  
> Over the last 7 or 8 years I’ve purchased a large number of audio books 
> through iTunes
>  
> A lot of what I’ve purchased I’ve lost from my phone and iPod where I keep a 
> lot of the books I have.
> I’d like to redownload the books I’ve spent a lot of money on but can’t find
>  
> Does anyone know how I can get these older titles downloaded or at least a 
> list of  what I purchased prior to a year ago?
>  
> Cheers for any thoughts 
>  
> Simon F
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Re: OT advice on trading in old units in apple store

[Julie Rattray]

Yes I think this is the issue if you look on the apple app it will give you 
estimates for any apple products registered to your Apple ID and really if the 
model is too old they don’t want it and even newish ones don’t generate that 
much so it depends on what you want to trade.

I am not sure about what happens after you decide to do it as like Tim never 
bothered as it wasn’t worth the postage etc  

> On 12 May 2020, at 16:22, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Search for Apple Trade-In for Mac or Apple Trade-In for iPhone.  Pages should 
> come up that you can use.  It is a third party purchaser contracted by Apple 
> to provide this service.  The form is mostly accessible, although a little 
> frustrating at times.  For iPhone and iPad, you fill out the forms on-line, 
> then you can either use your own packing boxes or they’ll send you one.  Your 
> estimated value is given to you prior to them receiving the device.  They 
> send you the Apple Store Gift Card by eMail once they’ve received and 
> verified your device condition and specs.  I’ve never actually done this with 
> a Mac, as each time I entered my specs, it was not worth any cash to me.  
> Silly things last too long, I guess.
> 
> Later…
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
>> On May 12, 2020, at 5:40 AM, Ian Harrison > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am thinking of trading in my old iphone and Macbook with Apple in order to 
>> buy new ones. One thing I can’t find out is how it works while we can’t go 
>> to the stores. Could it all be done remotely? If I buy the new items, how 
>> long do I get to return the trade in items and do they send all the 
>> necessary packaging? How do they ensure the condition is right for the value 
>> they offer?
>> 
>> I have tried to find this out but frustrated in my wanderings around the 
>> store terms and conditions.
>> 
>> With thanks
>> Ian
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Re: Endnote

[Julie Rattray]

Yes it was fine it is now version .3 but it imported the old libraries no 
problem. I think it looks a little better re accessing it as well but haven’t 
explored the new version much yet 

> On 8 May 2020, at 09:45, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Yes in endnote 19 they changed the way the database is written due to the 
> changes in Catalina.
> 
> I think from memory it's end note 19.2.1
> But then windows version also changed it's database format also and that was 
> a slightly different version number.
> 
> If you had endnote on your machine before updating to Catalina then endnote 
> will have created a backup version of your endnote library in the previous db 
> format as well as writing the new db format for your endnote library.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Friday, 8 May 2020 3:21 AM
> To: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> Subject: Re: Endnote
> 
> Hello,
> 
> So had to update my version of endnote because had upgraded to Catalina - but 
> having checked what I said earlier following update.
> 
> If you go to the library list and interact with it and then bring up the 
> context menu you have the option to create a group and then you are able to 
> use your add process as described.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7 May 2020, at 11:29, Ian Harrison  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> are you using the desktop app or the web site. I found the web site to be 
>> terrible due to so many popups etc. If it is the desktop app, this is the 
>> process I used to follow:
>> 1. when I import a reference into endnote with an RIS file; focus reads out 
>> the reference.
>> 2. I then right click; vo, shift m and various context menu options appear.
>> 3. One option is to add the new reference to a group. If you have already 
>> created the group you arrow down to that group and click enter.
>> 4. If you haven’t managed to set up a group in advance there is an option 
>> called new group or something like that.
>> 5. I click on that then move over to the groups sidebar and rename the 
>> untitled group folder there; then I return to the reference and repeat the 
>> steps above.
>> 
>> This sounds a bit backwards, but I’ve never worked out how to create a new 
>> group in advance and then find it when adding a new reference; so I just 
>> stuck to this workflow.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps and feel free to get back to me if I’ve been unclear or it 
>> doesn’t work for you.
>> 
>> Luck
>> 
>>> On 7 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> Thanks for your response. I need to use the groups feature within the 
>>> endnote. Because I have a number of references which I would like to 
>>> organise in different groups for my convenience.
>>> Again Thanks,
>>> Muhammad Babar.
>>> 
>>>> On 5 May 2020, at 2:21 am, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I use it a little to so can also try to help 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 10:53, Ian Harrison  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have been using it for my degree course and might be able to give some 
>>>>> sort of help.  If you want you can contact me off list at 
>>>>> ihcla...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> Happy to try and help but I am no expert at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> regards,
>>>>> Ian
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Friends,
>>>>>> Is anyone using the endnote referencing software with Mac? I would be 
>>>>>> thankful for any tips to use it.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Muhammad.
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Re: Endnote

[Julie Rattray]

Hello,

So had to update my version of endnote because had upgraded to Catalina - but 
having checked what I said earlier following update.

If you go to the library list and interact with it and then bring up the 
context menu you have the option to create a group and then you are able to use 
your add process as described.



> On 7 May 2020, at 11:29, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> are you using the desktop app or the web site. I found the web site to be 
> terrible due to so many popups etc. If it is the desktop app, this is the 
> process I used to follow:
> 1. when I import a reference into endnote with an RIS file; focus reads out 
> the reference.
> 2. I then right click; vo, shift m and various context menu options appear.
> 3. One option is to add the new reference to a group. If you have already 
> created the group you arrow down to that group and click enter.
> 4. If you haven’t managed to set up a group in advance there is an option 
> called new group or something like that.
> 5. I click on that then move over to the groups sidebar and rename the 
> untitled group folder there; then I return to the reference and repeat the 
> steps above.
> 
> This sounds a bit backwards, but I’ve never worked out how to create a new 
> group in advance and then find it when adding a new reference; so I just 
> stuck to this workflow.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps and feel free to get back to me if I’ve been unclear or it 
> doesn’t work for you.
> 
> Luck
> 
>> On 7 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Thanks for your response. I need to use the groups feature within the 
>> endnote. Because I have a number of references which I would like to 
>> organise in different groups for my convenience.
>> Again Thanks,
>> Muhammad Babar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 2:21 am, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use it a little to so can also try to help 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 10:53, Ian Harrison  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been using it for my degree course and might be able to give some 
>>>> sort of help.  If you want you can contact me off list at 
>>>> ihcla...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Happy to try and help but I am no expert at all.
>>>> 
>>>> regards,
>>>> Ian
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Friends,
>>>>> Is anyone using the endnote referencing software with Mac? I would be 
>>>>> thankful for any tips to use it.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Muhammad.
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Re: Endnote

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

If you go to the side bar as you described there is an option for new group - 
or maybe you need to bring up the context menu in that library but it can be 
done - I will double check process and send  

> On 7 May 2020, at 11:29, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> are you using the desktop app or the web site. I found the web site to be 
> terrible due to so many popups etc. If it is the desktop app, this is the 
> process I used to follow:
> 1. when I import a reference into endnote with an RIS file; focus reads out 
> the reference.
> 2. I then right click; vo, shift m and various context menu options appear.
> 3. One option is to add the new reference to a group. If you have already 
> created the group you arrow down to that group and click enter.
> 4. If you haven’t managed to set up a group in advance there is an option 
> called new group or something like that.
> 5. I click on that then move over to the groups sidebar and rename the 
> untitled group folder there; then I return to the reference and repeat the 
> steps above.
> 
> This sounds a bit backwards, but I’ve never worked out how to create a new 
> group in advance and then find it when adding a new reference; so I just 
> stuck to this workflow.
> 
> 
> 
> Hope this helps and feel free to get back to me if I’ve been unclear or it 
> doesn’t work for you.
> 
> Luck
> 
>> On 7 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Thanks for your response. I need to use the groups feature within the 
>> endnote. Because I have a number of references which I would like to 
>> organise in different groups for my convenience.
>> Again Thanks,
>> Muhammad Babar.
>> 
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 2:21 am, Julie Rattray  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I use it a little to so can also try to help 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 10:53, Ian Harrison  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> I have been using it for my degree course and might be able to give some 
>>>> sort of help.  If you want you can contact me off list at 
>>>> ihcla...@gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> Happy to try and help but I am no expert at all.
>>>> 
>>>> regards,
>>>> Ian
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Friends,
>>>>> Is anyone using the endnote referencing software with Mac? I would be 
>>>>> thankful for any tips to use it.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Muhammad.
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Re: Endnote

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I use it a little to so can also try to help 

> On 4 May 2020, at 10:53, Ian Harrison  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been using it for my degree course and might be able to give some sort 
> of help.  If you want you can contact me off list at ihcla...@gmail.com
> 
> Happy to try and help but I am no expert at all.
> 
> regards,
> Ian
> 
>> On 4 May 2020, at 00:03, muhammad babar Shahzad  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends,
>> Is anyone using the endnote referencing software with Mac? I would be 
>> thankful for any tips to use it.
>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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Re: Skype on mac or Ios.

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I have it on my laptop and iPad and I find the iPad version much better than 
the laptop version the latter is far too clunky whereas the iOS version seems 
to be more streamlined and so more user friendly  

> On 17 Apr 2020, at 13:03, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I’ll check it out.
> /A
> 
>> 17 apr. 2020 kl. 13:57 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> :
>> 
>> Hi Anders,
>> 
>> No, stuff is labeled, but the interface is very clunky, there’s no doubt 
>> about that. But when a phone call comes in, say from your flute teacher, you 
>> can just hit tab and then VO-Space to answer the call with voice only. I 
>> think you can just press Enter to answer with video, but I don’t usually do 
>> that, so I may not be right about that.
>> Donna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 6:50 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> I just want to use it as for some flute lessons.
>>> So that might work then.
>>> Is there something to think about with VoiceOver?
>>> Are there a lot  of unlabelled buttons.
>>> /A
>>> 
 17 apr. 2020 kl. 13:45 skrev 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 :
 
 Hi Anders,
 
 I use Skype on the Mac pretty regularly, and though it’s not my favorite 
 app, it is usable. I don’t do anything fancy with it. I just use it to 
 take phone calls. But it works for that.
 
 As for IOS, I have Skype on my phone, but don’t use it much, so someone 
 else can probably give you a better answer there.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
>> On Apr 17, 2020, at 6:41 AM, Anders Holmberg  
>> wrote:
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> Hi!
> It was a very very long time since i used Skype.
> We’re talking 5 years or more.
> From what i have read things seem to have gone bad with Vo and skype on 
> the Mac?
> How is it with for example Ios and Skype?
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Re: VoiceOver via BT2 inductive neckloop

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

So as promised I tested tonight and with and without a headset my husband d 
could not hear VoiceOver so you don’t need to worry - I thought this would be 
the case.

I do agree with brad though it is easiest to use a headset as you get better 
sound quality   

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 16:04, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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> Hello,
> The reason I want to separate VoiceOver speech from the Zoom audio is that I 
> do not want the other Zoom meeting participants to hear my VoiceOver 
> activity.  However I am now wondering whether the built in microphone on my 
> iMac will pick up the VoiceOver speech and send it to the other Zoom 
> participants. After all it does not seem to pick up and resend the Zoom audio 
> from my speakers. Is the microphone automatically muted when the speakers are 
> working?  I will try to test this by holding a Zoom meeting to my iPhone.
> Best regards … Paul Hopewell
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Re: VoiceOver via BT2 inductive neckloop

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

I am just learning to use zoom as well but have used both blackboard 
collaborate and MS Teams for video meetings etc and have asked others at the 
end of the call if they hear VoiceOver and they tell me they don’t so I suspect 
it is the same with zoom but I will be doing a test call with my husband later 
and can let you know - I think if you can wear a headset then although you keep 
hearing the speech others don’t I can try with and without later to see if it 
makes a difference and will update you   

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> Hello,
> The reason I want to separate VoiceOver speech from the Zoom audio is that I 
> do not want the other Zoom meeting participants to hear my VoiceOver 
> activity.  However I am now wondering whether the built in microphone on my 
> iMac will pick up the VoiceOver speech and send it to the other Zoom 
> participants. After all it does not seem to pick up and resend the Zoom audio 
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Re: Headings in Mac pages or Word

[Julie Rattray]

Glad it worked I love the Touch Bar for things like that and other formatting 
things particularly in pages - it works really well - as you develop documents 
using these heading styles helps when it comes to creating tables of contents 
for larger files etc. it is also a good way to turn on and off numbering and 
bullets 

If I can help more let me know - not an expert just learn as I go but happy to 
share if I can 

> On 14 Apr 2020, at 09:02, muhammad babar Shahzad  
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> Hello,
> It worked. Thanks for the guidance. I am using the Touch Bar model.
> Regards,
> Muhammad Babar.
>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 11:13 pm, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> If you are using a Mac with the Touch Bar then when you highlight the 
>> heading you want to assign a style to you can use the features at the left 
>> of the Touch Bar to assign a stile - let me know if you are not sure or if 
>> you are using a non Touch Bar model 
>> 
>>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:09, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
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>>> Anne And Archie Robertson have written a book on word processing on the 
>>> mac.  It might be worth your while buying this book.  Anne is a member on 
>>> this list.  I can’t remember where you might purchase the book from in 
>>> either. epub or pages or pdf format but someone on the list might know.
>>> 
>>> The title of the book is “My mac Pages - A VoiceOver Guide to Word 
>>> processing’.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
>>>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:46, Muhammad Babar Shahzad >>> <mailto:babarant...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> I am a new user of MacBook pro. I am a student and I have to format the 
>>>> assignments using headings.
>>>> How can i enable voiceover to read and assign the headings in either word 
>>>> or pages? I also have to use numbers or excel so, may i request for any 
>>>> tutorials about these programs?
>>>> Any recommendation for a free download manager? The last question is about 
>>>> the safari report to be busy sometimes and I don’t think it has anything 
>>>> to do with the slow internet. The connection seems to  be ok.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Muhammad.
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Re: Headings in Mac pages or Word

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

If you are using a Mac with the Touch Bar then when you highlight the heading 
you want to assign a style to you can use the features at the left of the Touch 
Bar to assign a stile - let me know if you are not sure or if you are using a 
non Touch Bar model 

> On 13 Apr 2020, at 09:09, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries 
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> Anne And Archie Robertson have written a book on word processing on the mac.  
> It might be worth your while buying this book.  Anne is a member on this 
> list.  I can’t remember where you might purchase the book from in either. 
> epub or pages or pdf format but someone on the list might know.
> 
> The title of the book is “My mac Pages - A VoiceOver Guide to Word 
> processing’.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 13 Apr 2020, at 01:46, Muhammad Babar Shahzad > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I am a new user of MacBook pro. I am a student and I have to format the 
>> assignments using headings.
>> How can i enable voiceover to read and assign the headings in either word or 
>> pages? I also have to use numbers or excel so, may i request for any  
>> tutorials about these programs?
>> Any recommendation for a free download manager? The last question is about 
>> the safari report to be busy sometimes and I don’t think it has anything to 
>> do with the slow internet. The connection seems to  be ok.
>> Thanks,
>> Muhammad.
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Re: Microsoft word on the Mac.

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Yes I find when using word on the Mac that it is less responsive and it does 
not always respond to commands to move by para etc so I typically still use 
pages but do use word for a couple of things - normally sharing files to one 
drive for collaborative working with peers. Interestingly I find the IPAD 
versions of ms office much better than the desktop versions.

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> I did have to play with the NAV keys And Ihad to turn them off because it 
> wasn’t showing me what I had typed. And I agree it’s okay but it is slightly 
> not as great as what it might be on windows. But a vast improvement
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2020, at 10:48 am, 'Devin Prater' via MacVisionaries 
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>> Do you have the problem where arrowing around a document in Word for Mac is 
>> sluggish? This is with quick navigation off.
>> 
>>> On Apr 7, 2020, at 3:43 PM, 'Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Just had a play with Microsoft word on the Mac and that is better also.  So 
>>> if anyone wants a go then do it.  I wonder why Apple don’t slag off 
>>> Microsoft anymore, I remember that they always did at their events.
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Articulate Rise and VoiceOver

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Does anyone have any experience of using Articulate Rise or articulate 
storyline to create online teaching content - is it accessible do you know?


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Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information

[Julie Rattray]

Fab thanks 

> On 27 Mar 2020, at 15:37, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Yes, you can share video in a screen sharing session of a Zoom meeting.  See 
> this link for some tips:
> 
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/202954249-Optimizing-a-Shared-Video-Clip-in-Full-Screen
>  
> <https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/202954249-Optimizing-a-Shared-Video-Clip-in-Full-Screen>
> 
> Zoom is a wonderful platform and in my experience is very clear both from an 
> audio and video prospective.  It's entirely possible that with the current 
> situation, their load has increased just like other platforms, so performance 
> may be affected.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
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> On Mar 27, 2020, at 04:07, Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Thanks for this and don’t worry I think current world situations have meant 
> we are all learning fast - I think that there could be an upside for 
> accessibility because as people think about working differently then 
> hopefully the consider all of us.
> 
> One question re teams again - is there a way on a tablet to start a shared 
> document - I have been able to share files but now want to be able to 
> collaborate on a document - I think this is what the notebook feature of on 
> drive does but not sure what I am doing really - this is not specifically a 
> vo question but thought I would ask as there may be vo issues too  
> 
>> On 27 Mar 2020, at 08:40, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Julie,
>>  
>> Sorry my experience with teams on my computers both windows and mac are 
>> similar to your own,
>>  
>> On the Ios devices I can’t pick much wrong with it as it’s very accessible 
>> including opening / sharing files
>>  
>> Note teams is an extension to Microsoft sharepoint which is where documents 
>> are kept and version checking is looked after.
>>  
>> Or should I say part of the office 365 environment…
>> As for zoom and video  sharing,  no sorry only screen sharing, I’m not sure 
>> they  are the same but hen I’m not sure as I only showed  a screen I had on 
>> my machine.i’d suggest giving the video sharing ago and see what happens 
>> You really can’t break much.
>>  
>> Sorry I can’t be more helpful with this.
>>  
>>  
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>>  
>> This is good to know - have you used video sharing with zoom? That is can 
>> you share a video file via zoom - I ask because we have a project that means 
>> I might want to share videos of classroom teaching with people as part of 
>> teaching observations - does this make sense 
>>  
>> p.s. I am really getting the hang of teams on the iPad and phone  and really 
>> like it but finding’s init more difficult on the laptop so any advice/how to 
>> guides would be welcome - I think on the mobile devices the layout and 
>> navigation feels logical it is less so on the laptop - however, this could 
>> just be experience so all advice welcome   
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 Mar 2020, at 07:43, Simon A Fogarty > <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> And on the iPhone and iPad its great
>>  
>> I use zoom from my phone every morning for a team chat for work,
>>  
>> Very easy including screen sharing.
>>  
>> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 1:53 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information
>>  
>> Hi Tim,,
>>  
>> Zoom is very accessible, and super easy to use. It is my understanding that 
>> they have gone out of their way to make the Zoom platform accessible.
>>  
>> Here is a list of keyboard commands:
>> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom
>>  
>> <https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom>
>>  
>> BTW, I never remember these. I just g

Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Thanks for this and don’t worry I think current world situations have meant we 
are all learning fast - I think that there could be an upside for accessibility 
because as people think about working differently then hopefully the consider 
all of us.

One question re teams again - is there a way on a tablet to start a shared 
document - I have been able to share files but now want to be able to 
collaborate on a document - I think this is what the notebook feature of on 
drive does but not sure what I am doing really - this is not specifically a vo 
question but thought I would ask as there may be vo issues too  

> On 27 Mar 2020, at 08:40, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie,
>  
> Sorry my experience with teams on my computers both windows and mac are 
> similar to your own,
>  
> On the Ios devices I can’t pick much wrong with it as it’s very accessible 
> including opening / sharing files
>  
> Note teams is an extension to Microsoft sharepoint which is where documents 
> are kept and version checking is looked after.
>  
> Or should I say part of the office 365 environment…
> As for zoom and video  sharing,  no sorry only screen sharing, I’m not sure 
> they  are the same but hen I’m not sure as I only showed  a screen I had on 
> my machine.i’d suggest giving the video sharing ago and see what happens 
> You really can’t break much.
>  
> Sorry I can’t be more helpful with this.
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Julie Rattray
> Sent: Friday, 27 March 2020 9:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information
>  
> This is good to know - have you used video sharing with zoom? That is can you 
> share a video file via zoom - I ask because we have a project that means I 
> might want to share videos of classroom teaching with people as part of 
> teaching observations - does this make sense 
>  
> p.s. I am really getting the hang of teams on the iPad and phone  and really 
> like it but finding’s init more difficult on the laptop so any advice/how to 
> guides would be welcome - I think on the mobile devices the layout and 
> navigation feels logical it is less so on the laptop - however, this could 
> just be experience so all advice welcome   
> 
> 
> On 27 Mar 2020, at 07:43, Simon A Fogarty  <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> And on the iPhone and iPad its great
>  
> I use zoom from my phone every morning for a team chat for work,
>  
> Very easy including screen sharing.
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 1:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information
>  
> Hi Tim,,
>  
> Zoom is very accessible, and super easy to use. It is my understanding that 
> they have gone out of their way to make the Zoom platform accessible.
>  
> Here is a list of keyboard commands:
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom
>  
> <https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom>
>  
> BTW, I never remember these. I just got this by googling keyboard commands 
> and Zoom. You can also access most of these through the menu system.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Timothy Emmons  <mailto:temmo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> Good afternoon guys. I haven’t written in a while so I thought I might field 
> a question in hopes that somebody can help direct me where i need to go. I am 
> a librarian for the Library for the blind and Physically Handicapped here in 
> Alabama. I have a patron needing anything on voiceover and Zoom, things as 
> far as how to use it, how accessible etc. I’ve given him some pointers and 
> information but I don’t know how to host a Zoom conference, just join those 
> when I get invites and such. Are there instructions on using Zoom with 
> Voiceover either with Cattalina  or IOS so he can get started? He may be 
> hosting a few things from time to time so was just curious. Anything anyone 
> can come up with would be great. Thanks. 
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Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information

[Julie Rattray]

This is good to know - have you used video sharing with zoom? That is can you 
share a video file via zoom - I ask because we have a project that means I 
might want to share videos of classroom teaching with people as part of 
teaching observations - does this make sense 

p.s. I am really getting the hang of teams on the iPad and phone  and really 
like it but finding’s init more difficult on the laptop so any advice/how to 
guides would be welcome - I think on the mobile devices the layout and 
navigation feels logical it is less so on the laptop - however, this could just 
be experience so all advice welcome   

> On 27 Mar 2020, at 07:43, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> And on the iPhone and iPad its great
>  
> I use zoom from my phone every morning for a team chat for work,
>  
> Very easy including screen sharing.
>  
> From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries  > 
> Sent: Thursday, 26 March 2020 1:53 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Zoom, and Voiceover accessibility information
>  
> Hi Tim,,
>  
> Zoom is very accessible, and super easy to use. It is my understanding that 
> they have gone out of their way to make the Zoom platform accessible.
>  
> Here is a list of keyboard commands:
> https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/205683899-Hot-Keys-and-Keyboard-Shortcuts-for-Zoom
>  
> 
>  
> BTW, I never remember these. I just got this by googling keyboard commands 
> and Zoom. You can also access most of these through the menu system.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Timothy Emmons  > wrote:
>  
> Good afternoon guys. I haven’t written in a while so I thought I might field 
> a question in hopes that somebody can help direct me where i need to go. I am 
> a librarian for the Library for the blind and Physically Handicapped here in 
> Alabama. I have a patron needing anything on voiceover and Zoom, things as 
> far as how to use it, how accessible etc. I’ve given him some pointers and 
> information but I don’t know how to host a Zoom conference, just join those 
> when I get invites and such. Are there instructions on using Zoom with 
> Voiceover either with Cattalina  or IOS so he can get started? He may be 
> hosting a few things from time to time so was just curious. Anything anyone 
> can come up with would be great. Thanks. 
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Re: Drag and drop

[Julie Rattray]

Hi,

Glad she got home safely - yes it has all been so odd it just seems to have 
moved so quickly and of course our PM is not great at much so I think the 
downplaying has created more panic.

I have two kids who are off school now so we are adapting to new routines etc. 

How are things for you - must be fab to have your daughter home but in these 
circumstances is hard - I am now doing online teaching and grappling with ms 
teams which is ok in many ways 

How bad are things with you? Haven’ seen much about you guys on the news but 
that doesn’t mean anything the uk news at the moment reports very oddly - so we 
have had loads about Italy but almost nothing about Spain which is having it as 
bad  

> On 25 Mar 2020, at 15:13, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Julie,
> 
> Hope all is well over there in Durham for you.  My daughter just got home 
> late Saturday night, early Sunday morning from Durham and we're 
> self-isolating her right now.  Looks like the UK went from 10 to 100 rather 
> quickly.
> 
> Stay safe.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 25, 2020, at 06:35, Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Fab thanks will give it a go 
> 
>> On 24 Mar 2020, at 22:15, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> • Navigate to the item you wish to drag.
>> • Press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor
>> • Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
>> • Navigate to the drop location.  Use VO-f1-f1, the App Chooser, if you're 
>> dragging to a different app.
>> • When at the drop location, press VO-cmd-f5 again to make sure that the 
>> mouse is routed to the VO cursor location.
>> • Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-up action which will drop it.
>> 
>> A few things to note.  Depending on your keyboard settings, you may need to 
>> add the FN key to some of these combinations, especially when routing the 
>> mouse to the VO cursor location.  There are also times that I've found it 
>> useful to interact with an item when dropping on it.  Lastly, this is an 
>> awkward process sometimes that does not always work the first time.  See how 
>> it goes and update me/us if you have problems and we'll go from there with 
>> any suggestions.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Jamf Certified Tech
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Mar 24, 2020, at 15:54, Julie Rattray > <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry to ask this again how do you drag and drop on the Mac I had saved the 
>> email of instructions previously but have now deleted it by mistake and I 
>> don’t use the function enough stupidly to remember and the help section on 
>> the Mac gives the wrong commands I think 
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Re: Drag and drop

[Julie Rattray]

Fab thanks will give it a go 

> On 24 Mar 2020, at 22:15, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> • Navigate to the item you wish to drag.
> • Press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO cursor
> • Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-down action.
> • Navigate to the drop location.  Use VO-f1-f1, the App Chooser, if you're 
> dragging to a different app.
> • When at the drop location, press VO-cmd-f5 again to make sure that the 
> mouse is routed to the VO cursor location.
> • Press VO-cmd-shift-space to invoke the mouse-up action which will drop it.
> 
> A few things to note.  Depending on your keyboard settings, you may need to 
> add the FN key to some of these combinations, especially when routing the 
> mouse to the VO cursor location.  There are also times that I've found it 
> useful to interact with an item when dropping on it.  Lastly, this is an 
> awkward process sometimes that does not always work the first time.  See how 
> it goes and update me/us if you have problems and we'll go from there with 
> any suggestions.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 24, 2020, at 15:54, Julie Rattray  <mailto:julierattra...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to ask this again how do you drag and drop on the Mac I had saved the 
> email of instructions previously but have now deleted it by mistake and I 
> don’t use the function enough stupidly to remember and the help section on 
> the Mac gives the wrong commands I think 
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