Question about Voiceover issue when starting my Macbook Pro

[Robert Hill]

Hi everyone,

Having a brain cramp on an issue starting my MacBook Pro with VoiceOver.
Somehow my settings got changed so when I start my computer I hear VoiceOver 
on, then "speech off".
What keystrokes do I use to get speech turned back on?

Thanks.

Bob Hill

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Re: VO on new Mac stops speaking after I migrate my data using Time Machine

[Robert Hill]

Hi Donna,

What you might want to try is to hold down CTRl and option keys, and hit the 
power button 3 times.

This should get you into a window where accessibility settings are checked or 
unchedcked.

Use VO and right arrow to move through the options. VoiceOver should be the 
first option. It will probably be unchecked so check it, and exit out of the 
settings, and you should be on your way.

Hope it works for you.

Bob Hill


> On May 4, 2021, at 4:41 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Subject says it all. I migrated my data, everything seemed to be going well. 
> I heard VO say only 7 minutes remaining. But when I came back in the room, my 
> MBA had gone completely silent.  The screen is lit up, so I know the Mac is 
> on.  It's been like that for about twenty minutes.  Anyone know what might be 
> going on?  Debating whether to restart, but don't want to risk bricking the 
> mac.
> TIA,
> Donna
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Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?

[Robert Hill]

Actually I can wake up Siri just fine, but when Siri responds, the voice ic cut 
off right when the first syllable starts to speak.

It sounds like possibly the notification center or something might be 
interfering in some way, but I haen't figured that out yet.

Thanks.

Bob Hill


> On Feb 12, 2021, at 12:16 AM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Actually, we have to hold command-spacebar in order to awake Siri.
>  
> HTH.
>  
> From: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  
> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 4:06 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?
>  
> I would suggest reporting it to Apple, especially if others can reproduce it.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Robert Hill 
> mailto:molliesda...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 at 06:36
> To: 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?
> 
> Hi all,
>  
> I am also having issues with Big Sur Voiceover and Siri.
> When I hold Command-spacebar, I get the two chimes which lets me know Siri is 
> ready.
> I speak my command, and let up on the spacebr.
>  
> Siri starts to speak, and is cut off immediately.
>  
> I have noticed that when attempting to use Siri voices in VoiceOver, they are 
> cut off also.
>  
> Not sure what to do to remedy this.
>  
> Running Big Sur version 11.2.1 on a 2013 MacBook Pro.
>  
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>  
> Bob Hill
>  
>  
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 1:11 AM, Fazil > <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Command-spacebar is evoking Siri now.
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:19 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?
>>  
>> You should go to System Preferences > Siri, and verify that Siri is enabled. 
>>  Here you can also verify and/or modify the keyboard command for invoking 
>> Siri.
>> Note:  The default keyboard command is to press CMD, and then hold down the 
>> spacebar, not press and release the spacebar.
>>  
>> - Brad -
>> 
>>  
>> On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:37, Fazil > <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Hi, Group.
>> Command-Spacebar doesn’t bring up Siri since yesterday when I reset my 
>> VoiceOver to factory default. How can I have Siri back via Command-Spacebar, 
>> please?
>> Thanks!
>>  
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Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I am also having issues with Big Sur Voiceover and Siri.
When I hold Command-spacebar, I get the two chimes which lets me know Siri is 
ready.
I speak my command, and let up on the spacebr.

Siri starts to speak, and is cut off immediately.

I have noticed that when attempting to use Siri voices in VoiceOver, they are 
cut off also.

Not sure what to do to remedy this.

Running Big Sur version 11.2.1 on a 2013 MacBook Pro.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob Hill


> On Jan 31, 2021, at 1:11 AM, Fazil  wrote:
> 
> Command-spacebar is evoking Siri now.
> Thanks!
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of Brad Snyder
> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 9:19 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Command-Spacebar Doesn't Bring up Siri?
>  
> You should go to System Preferences > Siri, and verify that Siri is enabled.  
> Here you can also verify and/or modify the keyboard command for invoking Siri.
> Note:  The default keyboard command is to press CMD, and then hold down the 
> spacebar, not press and release the spacebar.
>  
> - Brad -
> 
>  
> On Jan 30, 2021, at 10:37, Fazil  > wrote:
>  
> Hi, Group.
> Command-Spacebar doesn’t bring up Siri since yesterday when I reset my 
> VoiceOver to factory default. How can I have Siri back via Command-Spacebar, 
> please?
> Thanks!
>  
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Re: Big Sur has my MacBook Pro hard drive held prisoner

[Robert Hill]

Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for the information.

Looks like I need to poke around some more.

Bob


> On Dec 5, 2020, at 10:03 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> BigSir  has done things in a different way from all earlier os's. The main 
> system is a snapshot that is readonly and very hard protected. If you look at 
> Macintosh HD< you should see two volumes within it, one the system volume and 
> the other data. I expect you can only change the data one. Also, you might 
> want to temporarily turn off System Integrity Protection. Do some googling. 
> Or you might just want to create a new user if it is user settings that are 
> causing issues.
> The other option I can think of is to use a USB or connected external drive 
> with a BigSir installer on it. I have actually been able to boot my a 
> Macintosh from a time machine drive to do major work, but that was with 
> Catalina, so things might have changed.
>   Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 4, 2020, at 13:08, Robert Hill > <mailto:molliesda...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I installed Big Sur on my MacBook Pro when it first came out.
>> 
>> I was having some issues that I was hoping to resolve by erasing my drive 
>> and starting over.
>> 
>> When I went into disk utilities, I wasn't able to erase my drive, that 
>> option was dimmed out.
>> 
>> So I went into recovery mode hoping to do the same thing.
>> Same results.
>> 
>> Where should I look to enable writing to the drive to try and get things 
>> straightened out.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Bob Hill
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Big Sur has my MacBook Pro hard drive held prisoner

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I installed Big Sur on my MacBook Pro when it first came out.

I was having some issues that I was hoping to resolve by erasing my drive and 
starting over.

When I went into disk utilities, I wasn't able to erase my drive, that option 
was dimmed out.

So I went into recovery mode hoping to do the same thing.
Same results.

Where should I look to enable writing to the drive to try and get things 
straightened out.

Thanks.

Bob Hill

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Re: Disabeling Preview in Mac Mail Problems

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

Running Catalina, I check "use column view in the view menu, and that gets rid 
of the preview.

Bob Hill


> On Nov 17, 2019, at 3:10 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> I already have the preview lines set to 0.
> Oh well.
> Thanks.
> 
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>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 11:49 AM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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>> Open mail settings and switching to the viewing pane you can find a “list 
>> preview” popup button where you can change from 0 to 5 the number of lines 
>> that are read when a message is selected. On my system setting this to 0 
>> prevents this speaking, though personally I do like to be able to hear a bit 
>> about the message. Also, in cases where the mail has both an HTML and text 
>> alternative, this preview tends to read the text alternative so occasionally 
>> this preview allows me to read content that is graphical in nature.
>> Best Wishes,
>> Jonathan Cohn 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 17, 2019, at 2:31 PM, 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries 
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>>> Hi folks,
>>> I have collapsed the horizontal slider but still my previews are being read.
>>> Is there another way to disable previews in mail?
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Re: Cleaning my mac without Clean Install?

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

It was my mistake.
I had some browser settings which got in the way of reading the web page.

I have Onyx now.

Thanks for setting me on the path to get it.

Bob


> On May 24, 2019, at 3:29 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I don’t know but i’ve used the latest version on my mojave machine and it 
> worked.
> /A
> 
>> 23 maj 2019 kl. 16:23 skrev Bob Hill :
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> One thing I've noticed about Onyx is that there doesn't seem to be a version 
>> for Mojave. 
>> 
>> Bob Hill 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
>> 
>>> On May 23, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> It hasn’t done that on my mac so i doubt it will do that on your’s.
>>> /A
>>> 
 23 maj 2019 kl. 12:30 skrev Ramy Moustafa :
 
 Will it put any spy or something?
 
> On May 23, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Anders Holmberg  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Onyx is a very good and free app.
> It does the same as cleanmymac.
> /A
> 
>> 22 maj 2019 kl. 21:30 skrev Ramy Moustafa :
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> as Upgrading from Hi sierra to Mojavi, I need to clean my drive. but 
>> frankly, i do not have enough time and all apps to do the Clean install.
>> so, need to know if i need to clean my mac, what can i do? i mean what 
>> places shall i go to delete data from to Remove unwanted apps? frankly  
>> i need to do the Clean my mac app tasks without buying the app.
>> any suggestions will be highly Appreciated.
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Having trouble with the maccessibility podcast and iTunes in Mojave

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I am having trouble accessing the maccessibility podcast in iTunes on my 
Macintosh computer.
I am running Mojave.

I am using the following link to subscribe.
http://maccessibility.net/feed-podcast.rss

I can subscribe successfully, and can see the listing of episodes when 
expandint the feed list.

However, I am not able to play episodes, or download them.

I don't have any issues with other podcast players, and I can get the podcast 
to play in the podcasts app on my iPHone.

Just wondering if anyone has this issue, or if anyone can suggest ways to 
correct this.

Thanks.

Bob Hill

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Re: DTMF entry during a FaceTime call

[Robert Hill]

Hi to all,

Thank you to Tim and Brian for providing a solution to this issue.

I had been trying to work with Apple for quite some time to get this resolved 
with no success.

Your work is much appreciated.

Bob Hill.



> On Jun 7, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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Re: DTMF entry during a FaceTime call

[Robert Hill]

Hi Jason,

What I have experienced is that dtmf tones cannot be generated once a call has 
connected in facetime.

What I have had to do is enter the number I want to call, then insert commas to 
create pauses in my dialing string until the system answers, then enter the 
desired number to activate the feature.
So for example I enter the string tor a weather service I use, then enter 10 
commas to paust until the system answers, then enter the correct digits to 
activate the option I wish tu use.
Once the call is connected, I cannot use tones to go to other choices.

Bob Hill


> On Jun 5, 2018, at 7:05 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
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> Is it possible to generate DTMF tones whilst on a FaceTime call, as with a 
> telephone keypad?
>  
> If I call an interactive voice response system, I usually need to be able to 
> enter digits and the pound key, at least. I found an indication via a Web 
> search that FaceTime supports this, but it didn’t work when I tried it by 
> typing digits while the FaceTime window had focus during a call.
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Re: Having issues with iTunes and the Maccessibility podcast on High Sierra

[Robert Hill]

Hi Tim,

Thanks.

I'll try and get in touch with them.

Bob


> On Apr 22, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
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> Hi,
> 
> If you're able to do everything normally on other Podcasts, then I would say 
> that there's some sort of problem with the Maccessibility podcast feed 
> itself.  I tested this myself, and the download fails for me as well.  In my 
> world, that confirms that the problem is with their feed, not what you're 
> doing.  If you have a method by which you can get ahold of anyone of the 
> podcasters, I'd let them know.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 22, 2018, at 03:59, Bob Hill  > wrote:
> 
> Good morning, 
> 
> I am having trouble accessing the Maccessibility podcast on my MacBook Pro, 
> running the latest version of High Sierra using iTunes. 
> 
> I can subscribe to the podcast just fine, but when I try to either play an 
> episode, or download an episode, that process fails. 
> 
> I have Downcast on the same computer, and that performs just fine. 
> 
> I guess this is more out of curiosity, just wanting to see what might be 
> happening. 
> 
> I can subscribe to other podcasts, play and download just fine with iTunes, 
> just the Maccessibility is giving me fits. 
> 
> Thanks for any pointers as where to look to try and troubleshoot this. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
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Just a test for settings change

[Robert Hill]

Just sending an email to check settings change.

If this works it's the only one.

Thanks for indulging me.

Bob

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Having trouble accessing voiceover users guide

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I updated to High Sierra on Tuesday.

I am having trouble accessing the VoiceOver  User guide using the VoiceOver 
help menu.

I can get to the web site, but am unable to read the guide.
I can find a button to browse the table of contents, but nothing seems to 
happen when I press VO-space to activate the button.

Is anyone else having issues with this, or am I just having a senior 
moment/hour, or what?

Thanks for any any assistance.

Bob Hill

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Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Robert Hill]

Hi again,

I want to appologize to Jonathan, I called you John in my previous message.

Bob




Sent from Bob's Braille Sense U2
 

- Original Message -
From: Robert Hill  <molliesda...@comcast.net>
To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Tuesday, April 4, 2017 3:50 am
Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

>
>
> HI Mark and all,
> 
> What I do is when I come to a message thread, I flick up until I hear "expand 
> Thread" and double tap on that.
> Next when I hear how many messages are in the thread, I flick right that many 
> times so I find the first message which is then read to me.
> Then I flick left to proceed to the rest of the messages in the thread.
> 
> John, you mentioned the sort order of the messages might play a part in this 
> issue.
> I don't know how to change the sort order in iOS.
> Could you let me know how to change this if this is possible?
> 
> Thanks for clarification.
> 
> Bob Hill.
> 
> 
> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:03 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You are absolutely correct in your observation.  The sorting setting only 
> works when the second method of viewing threaded messages, not described in 
> this conversation, is used.  
> 
> I was told by Apple engineers, when I first brought this to their attention a 
> couple of months ago, that this is not, in fact, a bug but, rather, done on 
> purpose so that both iOS and Mac OS mail would be, effectively the same.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 
> 
> It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
> message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this 
> setting doesn't take for me. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely Mark.
>> 
>> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
>> like, for my I phone.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>>> latest version of iOS.
>>> 
>>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set Preview to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>>> 
>>> 7.
>>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>>> not necessary.
>>> 
>>> 8.
>>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>>> not, set it to Actions.
>>> 
>>> 9.
>>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option 
>>> to Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>>> 
>>> 10.
>>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver 
>>> focus down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on 
>>> each message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>>> 
>>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can 
>>> do fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to 
>>> navigate, unless 

Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Robert Hill]

HI Mark and all,

What I do is when I come to a message thread, I flick up until I hear “expand 
Thread” and double tap on that.
Next when I hear how many messages are in the thread, I flick right that many 
times so I find the first message which is then read to me.
Then I flick left to proceed to the rest of the messages in the thread.

John, you mentioned the sort order of the messages might play a part in this 
issue.
I don’t know how to change the sort order in iOS.
Could you let me know how to change this if this is possible?

Thanks for clarification.

Bob Hill.


> On Apr 3, 2017, at 10:03 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Bob,
> 
> You are absolutely correct in your observation.  The sorting setting only 
> works when the second method of viewing threaded messages, not described in 
> this conversation, is used.  
> 
> I was told by Apple engineers, when I first brought this to their attention a 
> couple of months ago, that this is not, in fact, a bug but, rather, done on 
> purpose so that both iOS and Mac OS mail would be, effectively the same.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2017 1:56 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 
> 
> It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
> message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this 
> setting doesn't take for me. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 
> 
>> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely Mark.
>> 
>> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
>> like, for my I phone.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Jessica,
>>> 
>>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>>> latest version of iOS.
>>> 
>>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Set Preview to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>>> 
>>> 6.
>>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>>> 
>>> 7.
>>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>>> not necessary.
>>> 
>>> 8.
>>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>>> not, set it to Actions.
>>> 
>>> 9.
>>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option 
>>> to Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>>> 
>>> 10.
>>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver 
>>> focus down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on 
>>> each message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> Good Luck,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>>> 
>>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can 
>>> do fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to 
>>> navigate, unless someone knows a trick to it I don’t yet.
>>>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure you are not in the classic view.
>>>> 
>>>> Then if you have more than two messages in a conversation, right arrow and 
>>>> the thread will be expanded.  Voice over will read automatically if you 
>>>> highlight each message but you must 

Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.

[Robert Hill]

Hi all, 

I have one problem with reading threaded messages this way. 

It seems that no matter which way I have the settings for displaying newest 
message on top, I always have the newest one on top. It seems like this setting 
doesn't take for me. 

Bob Hill 


Sent from Bob's iPhone  7 

> On Apr 3, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Lovely Mark.
> 
> I will do as you describe as I was doing the other method which I do not 
> like, for my I phone.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> Kawal.
>> On 3 Apr 2017, at 08:15, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Jessica,
>> 
>> There are two ways to conveniently read messages, in threaded view, in the 
>> latest version of iOS.
>> 
>> I will briefly describe only one of them in this post.
>> 
>> 1.
>> In Settings, Select Mail.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Set Preview to OFF.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Set "Organize by Thread" to ON.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Set Most Recent Message on Top, to OFF.
>> 
>> 5.
>> Set the Complete Thread option to OFF.
>> 
>> 6.
>> Close the Mail Settings screen.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Open the mail app and place focus on a topic that contains two or more 
>> messages in a thread.  Do not single-finger, double-tap on the thread as 
>> this will actually open the thread which, in the method I am describing, is 
>> not necessary.
>> 
>> 8.
>> The VoiceOver rotor should already be set to Actions but just in case it is 
>> not, set it to Actions.
>> 
>> 9.
>> Use a single-finger swipe up or down gesture until you land on the option to 
>> Expand the thread.  Select this option.
>> 
>> 10.
>> Now, single-finger swipe from left-to-right in order to move VoiceOver focus 
>> down to each individual message in the thread.  As VoiceOver lands on each 
>> message, the contents of each message will automatically be read to you.
>> 
>> Good Luck,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Moss
>> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2017 6:13 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Mail Threading is working again and I love my Earpods.
>> 
>> Ok, I thought you were talking about the IOS mail app, my mistake.  I can do 
>> fine with the mac mail client, but IOS is a pain in the neck to navigate, 
>> unless someone knows a trick to it I don’t yet.
>>> On Apr 2, 2017, at 6:24 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Make sure you are not in the classic view.
>>> 
>>> Then if you have more than two messages in a conversation, right arrow and 
>>> the thread will be expanded.  Voice over will read automatically if you 
>>> highlight each message but you must not open it.
>>> 
>>> This will not work if you only have one message so you need to press enter 
>>> on that message to read it as at times `i have found that voice over will 
>>> not always read the entire message.
 On 2 Apr 2017, at 00:25, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
 How exactly do you navigate mail threading?  I can manage to find the 
 first 2 messages after I press the next message button, but forget it 
 after that if there are more than 2 messages in a thread; it only shows 
 the first 2 messages, and that’s usually it.
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 5:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Mail Threading is working again and I love my Ear Pods.  I got them today.
> 
> Kawal.
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Re: Question re Fruitpot on IOS

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

When I had this issue with the videos freezing the game, I wrote to the 
developer, and he said just quit the game.
All of your settings and rewards will still be intact when you restart it.

I haven’t had any videos to watch lately, so I am not sure if this is fixed in 
later updates.

Bob Hill

> On Mar 10, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
> HI.
> 
> You can also swipe down to hold or nudge.  Just find the reel you want to 
> hold or nudge and swipe down.  the only problem I’ve found with this game, is 
> when it pops up an add and says something like watch video and get 10 nudges, 
> After I hear reward achieved, I can’t get anything else to work, or I get 
> thrown in to the app store.  Does anyone know if there’s a way to dismiss the 
> add without taking the app out of the app switcher and relaunching it?  If I 
> turn the add rewards off, will I still get shopping challenges?  
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Maria
> 
>> On 2 Feb 2017, at 8:02 am, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, that's what I eventually figured out. :)
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:57 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the reel shows nudge, a nudge is automatically added. You do not need 
>>> to do anything.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 2/02/2017, at 09:46, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Thanks. I got it figured out, but my question was actually about what to 
 do when one of the reels showed nudge.  I've got it sorted out, now, 
 though.  Thanks!
 Cheers,
 Donna 
> On Feb 1, 2017, at 1:57 PM, Appleman  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> You would use the nudges if you were trying to spin 3 of the same fruit. 
> For example, you have an apple for reel 1, apple for reel 2 and grapes 
> for reel 3. Towards the right hand side of the screen, there is a nudges 
> button. Double tap this. Voiceover will announce, "Select the reel you 
> wish to nudge". Now double tap on reel 3 until you receive another apple. 
> If you happen to run out of nudges, another alternative is to use holds. 
> In this case, you would double tap on the "Holds" button. After Voiceover 
> announces, "Select the reel you wish to hold", you would select reels 1 
> and 2, both containing apples, and double tap the spin button. Hopefully 
> you would receive another apple when you spin.
> I hope I haven't confused you further. It's a great game and very 
> addictive.
> David
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 2 Feb 2017, at 3:49 am, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I just downloaded this game, so sorry if I'm missing something basic.
>> 
>> Now, when I spin, there are reels that say "Nudge."  What is that for 
>> and what am I supposed to do with those?  I've tried tapping them, but 
>> that seems to just spin the wheel.
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: OSX 10.12.2 released

[Robert Hill]

Hello all, 

What I have done is to ask Siri what my battery charge status is. 
That works quickly. 
 i did send an email to Apple Accessibility about the invisibility of the 
charge status, but haven't heard anything back yet. 

Bob Hill 


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> On Dec 14, 2016, at 3:26 PM, Junior Lolley KG4ITD  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris, well now it seems it really isn't a real problem with Apple mail just 
> my mail provider.
> 
> 
> 
> Junior LolleyKG4ITD
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator.
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 14, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I didn't know there were problems with Mail to start with. Mail seems to work 
> fine here, but perhaps I don't have mine configured like most would.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Junior Lolley KG4ITD" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:55 PM
> Subject: RE: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> 
> Has the problems with mail been fixed?
> 
> 
> 
> Junior Lolley kg4itd
> Liberty County Emergency Coordinator
> "The 3 C’s of life: choices, chances, and changes. You must make a choice to 
> take a chance or your life will never change."
> Don't impress others with what you have; impress them with who you are.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kliphton Miller
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 11:48 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: OSX 10.12.2 released
> 
> Yup, was released yesterday afternoon about 1 EST
>> On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I was able to download 10.12.2 this morning, looks to be a public release. 
>> Enjoying it so far and find the initial stability issues from the beta have 
>> been worked out.  Update em if you got em.
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Re: Braille screen input

[Robert Hill]

Are you trying to enter a full braille cell? 
If so, you can only enter 5 dots at a time. 
So what I do is press down 5 fingers, then lift up one, and complete the full 
cell, then lift up all fingers. 

I hope this is what you were looking for. 

Bob Hill 



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> On Nov 25, 2016, at 11:55 AM, Sandra E. Finley  wrote:
> 
> Good morning. Is anyone else having difficulty with braille screen input? The 
> dots are not in the appropriate places, even when I calibrate the screen with 
> my right hand, followed by my left hand. I get dots  1 2 3 4 and 5  but not 
> 6, or 1 2 4 5 6  andd no 4. The mysterious thing is, it has not always been 
> like this. I don't understand why there has been a change or  how to fix it. 
> This happens whether I am in tabletop or away mode. Thank you.
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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

[Robert Hill]

Hi Mark, 

The thing that puzzles me is the different behaviors between opening the 
thread, where the message order is from oldest to newest, and where you expand 
the thread, and the messages appear newest to oldest.  Just curious about why 
that works that way. 

Bob 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 12:27 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Bob,
> 
> Thank you for the confirmation and, most of all, for the workaround.  It has 
> really saved the day, for me.
> 
> I will submit a bug report via Apple's Bug Reporter portal, complete with 
> your workaround.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 1:07 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App 
> Regarding Threaded View
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> Yes, I can confirm this bug.
> I had posted to the v-phone list with this issue earlier this week.
> 
> A work-around I found is to double tap on the thread to open it, not go to 
> the actions and expand the thread.
> When I double tap to open the thread, then when I flick down with one finger, 
> the oldest message in the thread is at the top as I would expect.
> Then what I do is go through the actions, find the message item, then I can 
> flick down through the messages, and read them by double tapping them,.
> 
> Bob Hill
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:36 AM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so 
>> please indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in 
>> the native iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
>> 
>> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
>> 
>> Preview, None.
>> Organize by Thread, On.
>> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
>> Complete Thread, Off.
>> 
>> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
>> 
>> 1.
>> Open the Mail app.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the 
>> thread expands downward.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first 
>> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is 
>> expected, the text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
>> 
>> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent 
>> Message on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's 
>> subject line is always the most recent post to the thread.  As a 
>> consequence, if I want to read the original post to a thread, I have 
>> to swipe all the way down to the bottom of the list area and reverse swipe 
>> back up.
>> 
>> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
>> 
>> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: Please Confirm a VoiceOver Bug in Native iOS 10 Mail App Regarding Threaded View

[Robert Hill]

Hi Mark,

Yes, I can confirm this bug.
I had posted to the v-phone list with this issue earlier this week.

A work-around I found is to double tap on the thread to open it, not go to the 
actions and expand the thread.
When I double tap to open the thread, then when I flick down with one finger, 
the oldest message in the thread is at the top as I would expect.
Then what I do is go through the actions, find the message item, then I can 
flick down through the messages, and read them by double tapping them,.

Bob Hill

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 3:36 AM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> There have been so many posts sent lately that I have lost track so please
> indulge me in asking for confirmation of a very annoying bug in the native
> iOS 10 Mail app, regarding the threaded view.
> 
> Here are my major settings for Mail.  
> 
> Preview, None.
> Organize by Thread, On.
> Most Recent Message on Top, Off.
> Complete Thread, Off.
> 
> Here are the steps I take to read threads:
> 
> 1.
> Open the Mail app.
> 
> 2.
> Place focus on a collapsed thread.
> 
> 3.
> Select Expand Thread via the VoiceOver Rotor.  At this point, the thread
> expands downward.  
> 
> 4.
> Now, I single-finger swipe to the right in order to move to the first
> message listed below the subject line of the thread and, as is expected, the
> text of the message is read, out by VoiceOver.
> 
> The problem is that, regardless of the status of the, "Most Recent Message
> on Top", toggle, the first message just below the thread's subject line is
> always the most recent post to the thread.  As a consequence, if I want to
> read the original post to a thread, I have to swipe all the way down to the
> bottom of the list area and reverse swipe back up.  
> 
> Does this make sense and are any of you encountering this issue?  
> 
> Again, thank you for your indulgence on this.
> 
> Mark
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Robert Hill]

Well, I guess I'll have to retract my statement about the four finger swipe, 
because when I tried just now, I had no luck" 
I went into accessibility setings' and the voiceover practice area, and lo and 
behold, the four finger swipe gesture was not recognized. 

Rats!

Bob Hill 



Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 6:45 AM, Robert Hill <molliesda...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rey and listers, 
> 
> I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked 
> just fine" 
> I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
> cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 
> 
> Bob Hill 
> 
> 
> Sent from Bob's iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
>> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren <ben.j.bloomg...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary and all,
>>> 
>>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>>> and iOS 9.3.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>>>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>>>> Mary
>>>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your 
>>>>> other open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not 
>>>>> something for which there is no other gesture or way to access but 
>>>>> something that’s pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you 
>>>>> will. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
>>>>> switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
>>>>> in 9.3. 
>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C. <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> what is it supposed to accomplish?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>>>>>>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>>>>>>> can’t get it to work. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>>>>>>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>>>>>>> Jenine Stanley
>>>>>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
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Re: the 4-finger swipe

[Robert Hill]

Hi Rey and listers, 

I just tried the four-finger swipe on my iPhone 6 with 9.3, and it worked just 
fine" 
I did have to wait a bit for the apps to come into focus, but I was able to 
cycle between messages, mail and NFB newsline. 

Bob Hill 


Sent from Bob's iPhone

> On Mar 23, 2016, at 5:25 AM, Ray Foret jr  wrote:
> 
> YOu sure the four finger swipe works on the iPhone 6 or 6+?  I guess it must 
> only work on the 6S and 6S+ because it sure doesn’t work for me on my 6+.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
> 
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
> 
>> On Mar 23, 2016, at 1:10 AM, Ben J Bloomgren  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary and all,
>> 
>> AppleVis has put up some tutorials as to the new features both in TVOS 9.2 
>> and iOS 9.3.
>> 
>> Ben
>>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just tried before finger gesture for the first time when in mail. It 
>>> flipped to Safari. First shot. There was a bit of a delay, but it work.
>>> Mary
>>> PS, running an iPhone 6s.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Jenine Stanley  
 wrote:
 
 It allows you, from an open app, to move back and forth through your other 
 open apps as you would with the app switcher. Again, it’s not something 
 for which there is no other gesture or way to access but something that’s 
 pretty nifty and more like a multi-tasking feel if you will. 
 
 I was all over the 3D touch gesture when we got it to access the app 
 switcher and yes, it is or at least seems to be so far, much more stable 
 in 9.3. 
 Jenine Stanley
 dragonwalke...@gmail.com
 
 
 
> On Mar 22, 2016, at 3:18 PM, Christina C.  wrote:
> 
> what is it supposed to accomplish?
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone else having trouble getting the 4-finger left and right swipe 
>> gesture to work? I love the concept of what it’s supposed to do but I 
>> can’t get it to work. 
>> 
>> I have a 6S and small hands but somehow the swipe just doesn’t work. 
>> 
>> It took me a while to get the 3-finger swipe to work though so maybe I 
>> just need to go into the VO practice area for a while with it.
>> Jenine Stanley
>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Emails open and just say Message Content

[Robert Hill]

Hi Frank,

You might want to try hitting vo-j after you open the message.
This should bring focus to the message content, and start reading it.


Bob Hill

- Original Message -
From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com
To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
CC: 
Date: Monday, June 8, 2015 5:24 am
Subject: Emails open and just say Message Content



 Hi all, when in Mac Mail when I hit the Return/Enter key on a message it will 
 open but VO just says Message Content and I cannot arrow through the 
 message. However if I choose Bring all to front from the Window menu then I 
 can read the message with the up or down arrow keys. I seem to need to do 
 that with each email to read it. I am using a 2015 Mac Book with all the 
 latest upgrades. I didn't have to do that with my old Mac Book Air. Any 
 suggestions? 
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Re: VO Volum Flexuation on my brand new MBP 13 Inch

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

I have a new MacBook Pro, use Alex, and get the volume fluctuations as well.

Bob Hill

 On Jan 17, 2015, at 3:40 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello list,
 Just curious. Have any of you noticed any slight VO volume fluctuation in 
 Yosemite?
 
 This is a brand new MBP 13 inch machine, in use for only a week or so. Note, 
 this happens regardless of the Audio Ducking setting. It’s not the same as 
 audio ducking, but never the less, there is some VO volume fluctuation.
 
 Any comments please?
 
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Re: Using super duper

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Hi Matt,

Super Duper is easy to use.
You run the program, set up your source and destination drives using pop-ups.
You can choose whether to do a smart backup wihch bcks up only newer files.
It's set it and forget it and use it.

Bob Hill

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 Hey all.
 I was just wondering how to use super duper? I want to use something other 
 than time machine for backing up.
 Thank you.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 
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Re: Dimensions

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

Being the packrat that I am, I have saved a couple of podcasts done by Darren 
Duff regarding Dimensions.

Here's the link to these files.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37074312/dimensions.zip
I hope this will answer some questions about playing the game.

Bob Hill


On May 10, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:


 Hi Teresa,
 
 thanks, this helps a lot.  I thought you had to pull the beam all the way 
 down to the bottom of the screen, so I kept losing the artifact.  I actually 
 broke down last night and converted a bunch of cells into artifacts, I was so 
 frustrated at not being able to get any of them. :)
 
 thanks also for the info re the collective zone, glad you don't have to do 
 the Facebook thing.  I don't blame you for buying the cloudburst one, given 
 where you live (though I agree, that does seem unfair.  I'll probably end up 
 buying the collective one, and the Ghost dimension.  I'm sure I'm showing my 
 age, but I'm usually sound asleep by midnight.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On May 10, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Alex and Donna,
 
 Ok, the location of the beam varies a little. When you are using it, the 
 sound raises in pitch. Pull the artifact toward you, and hold steady once it 
 levels off at its highest pitch, which won't be much higher than its 
 beginning pitch. There will be a sort of tada tone when you've captured 
 it, and Emily will say something like you got it!
 
 The cells are simply power packs for you to play the game. The longer you 
 play, and the richer your sound environment, the more quantum cells you'll 
 collect. This is the way I played the game. I think I may have bought one 
 pack, because I was impatient.
 
 I didn't bother with the collective dimension, except to play it like the 
 other ones. You'll still have artifacts to collect in it, but you get more 
 cells if you connect to friends on Twitter and talk to them with the 
 messenger function, a la Church of the Subgenius style. I haven't used it, 
 but I've heard it's hit and miss for accessibility.
 
 Once you play a level for some period of time, like a few days, the next 
 level will unlock, or you can buy enough cells to unlock it. I think there 
 is one level that only unlocks when it's raining in your local area, but 
 since I live in the desert, I went ahead and bought cells to unlock it. :-P
 
 Anyhow, go ahead and contact me on or offlist if you have more questions. 
 Have fun.
 
 Teresa
 On May 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'd like to ask a question as well. How do you collect cells? Artifacts 
 make noise, but cells seem to be silent. I know you can get cells other 
 ways, but it seems unfortunate to just let free ones drift by. Thanks. Oh, 
 one more: I did let the game access my Twitter account, but nothing 
 happened with the Collective Dimension, and no tweet seems to have been 
 sent. Did I do something wrong? Did it mean I need to be somewhere where it 
 hears three people speak?
 On May 9, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 You *are evil! :)
 
 I have a couple more questions.  when you're pulling to bring the 
 artifacts close to you, do you have to slide all the way to the bottom of 
 the screen?  And, how did you deal with the collective dimension?  I have 
 absolutely no desire to link this game to twitter or Facebook.  Is there 
 any way to unlock that dimension without doing that?  And, I assume that 
 if you don't unlock that dimension, there's no way to get to Level 2?  
 That would sort of bring my game to a screeching halt.
 
 Thanks, Teresa!
 Donna
 On May 9, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 It took me a week to get an artifact and another week to get rid of 
 anethalim. Practice, practice. (evil giggle)
 
 Teresa
 On May 9, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think Hannah does to a point too.  I put the headphones on her, and 
 let her talk and sing into it, and asked her if she liked it, and she 
 was like yeah!  then we would both talk into it, and blow into the 
 microphone on the phone,, but she then got tired of it, considering the 
 fact that she's only 3 and has a short attention spand, and after a 
 while, I had to make myself put the headphones away, sense I was 
 finished with my chores, which was the reason I wanted to play around 
 with it and had time to.
 I just couldn't do the artifact thing, sense I couldn't figure it out, 
 but loved the way it kept going in and out of tranquil and flux mode, 
 and one time made it all the way to kinetic mode, but didn't stay there 
 because I wasn't moving around enough.
 On May 8, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 The quantum cells increase the longer you play and the richer your 
 sound environment is. The artifacts have a kind of sonar sound, and are 
 very distinctive once you recognize it. This game is very 

Re: Dimensions

[Robert Hill]

OK, the file is up there now, I just tried it.

Bob

On May 10, 2013, at 8:21 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for the link, but it gave me a 404 error. I do look forward to these 
 files, as they will hopefully outline how to actually get things done. It 
 seems very hit-or-miss as to whether the game will actually do anything when 
 you double tap; sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.
 On May 10, 2013, at 8:15 AM, Robert Hill molliesda...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Being the packrat that I am, I have saved a couple of podcasts done by 
 Darren Duff regarding Dimensions.
 
 Here's the link to these files.
 
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37074312/dimensions.zip
 I hope this will answer some questions about playing the game.
 
 Bob Hill
 
 
 On May 10, 2013, at 7:18 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi Teresa,
 
 thanks, this helps a lot.  I thought you had to pull the beam all the way 
 down to the bottom of the screen, so I kept losing the artifact.  I 
 actually broke down last night and converted a bunch of cells into 
 artifacts, I was so frustrated at not being able to get any of them. :)
 
 thanks also for the info re the collective zone, glad you don't have to do 
 the Facebook thing.  I don't blame you for buying the cloudburst one, given 
 where you live (though I agree, that does seem unfair.  I'll probably end 
 up buying the collective one, and the Ghost dimension.  I'm sure I'm 
 showing my age, but I'm usually sound asleep by midnight.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On May 10, 2013, at 12:18 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi, Alex and Donna,
 
 Ok, the location of the beam varies a little. When you are using it, the 
 sound raises in pitch. Pull the artifact toward you, and hold steady once 
 it levels off at its highest pitch, which won't be much higher than its 
 beginning pitch. There will be a sort of tada tone when you've captured 
 it, and Emily will say something like you got it!
 
 The cells are simply power packs for you to play the game. The longer you 
 play, and the richer your sound environment, the more quantum cells you'll 
 collect. This is the way I played the game. I think I may have bought one 
 pack, because I was impatient.
 
 I didn't bother with the collective dimension, except to play it like the 
 other ones. You'll still have artifacts to collect in it, but you get more 
 cells if you connect to friends on Twitter and talk to them with the 
 messenger function, a la Church of the Subgenius style. I haven't used it, 
 but I've heard it's hit and miss for accessibility.
 
 Once you play a level for some period of time, like a few days, the next 
 level will unlock, or you can buy enough cells to unlock it. I think there 
 is one level that only unlocks when it's raining in your local area, but 
 since I live in the desert, I went ahead and bought cells to unlock it. :-P
 
 Anyhow, go ahead and contact me on or offlist if you have more questions. 
 Have fun.
 
 Teresa
 On May 9, 2013, at 3:10 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'd like to ask a question as well. How do you collect cells? Artifacts 
 make noise, but cells seem to be silent. I know you can get cells other 
 ways, but it seems unfortunate to just let free ones drift by. Thanks. 
 Oh, one more: I did let the game access my Twitter account, but nothing 
 happened with the Collective Dimension, and no tweet seems to have been 
 sent. Did I do something wrong? Did it mean I need to be somewhere where 
 it hears three people speak?
 On May 9, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 You *are evil! :)
 
 I have a couple more questions.  when you're pulling to bring the 
 artifacts close to you, do you have to slide all the way to the bottom 
 of the screen?  And, how did you deal with the collective dimension?  I 
 have absolutely no desire to link this game to twitter or Facebook.  Is 
 there any way to unlock that dimension without doing that?  And, I 
 assume that if you don't unlock that dimension, there's no way to get to 
 Level 2?  That would sort of bring my game to a screeching halt.
 
 Thanks, Teresa!
 Donna
 On May 9, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 It took me a week to get an artifact and another week to get rid of 
 anethalim. Practice, practice. (evil giggle)
 
 Teresa
 On May 9, 2013, at 6:19 AM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I think Hannah does to a point too.  I put the headphones on her, and 
 let her talk and sing into it, and asked her if she liked it, and she 
 was like yeah!  then we would both talk into it, and blow into the 
 microphone on the phone,, but she then got tired of it, considering 
 the fact that she's only 3 and has a short attention spand, and after 
 a while, I had to make myself put the headphones away, sense I was 
 finished with my chores, which was the reason I wanted to play around 
 with it and had time to.
 I just couldn't

iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

I attempted to upgrade my wife's iPod 4th generation to iOS 6.1.
The device froze after it was supposed to reboot, and now we can't do anything 
with it, no shut down, no reset, etc.
I tried connecting it to my Macintosh  , but iTunes doesn't recognize it.
Is there any keystroke combination  to get the device unstuck?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Bob Hill

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Re: iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade

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Hi Scott,

My wife says the screen is blank.
Itunes won't even recognize the iPod.
So, I don't know if it's in recovery mode or not, sorry.

Bob

On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it showing it's in recovery mode?
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
 Sent: January 30, 2013 6:55
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade
 
 Hi all,
 
 I attempted to upgrade my wife's iPod 4th generation to iOS 6.1.
 The device froze after it was supposed to reboot, and now we can't do
 anything with it, no shut down, no reset, etc.
 I tried connecting it to my Macintosh  , but iTunes doesn't recognize it.
 Is there any keystroke combination  to get the device unstuck?
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.
 
 Bob Hill
 
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Re: iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade

[Robert Hill]

Hi Scott,

I have tried holding Power-home combination to attempt a reset, no response.
I have tried unplugging and reconnecting the charger, no chirp, no response.
I have tried connecting the device to my Macintosh with iTunes running, no 
recognition of the device from iTunes.

If the iPod is indeed in recovery mode, how can I find that out, and how could 
I get access to the unit?

Thanks.

Bob

On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Bob,
 
 I would agree with Chris try his suggestions and see what happens.
 
 
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
 Sent: January 30, 2013 7:36
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade
 
 Hi Scott,
 
 My wife says the screen is blank.
 Itunes won't even recognize the iPod.
 So, I don't know if it's in recovery mode or not, sorry.
 
 Bob
 
 On Jan 30, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is it showing it's in recovery mode?
 
 
 
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Hill
 Sent: January 30, 2013 6:55
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: iPod 4th generation froze during 6.1 upgrade
 
 Hi all,
 
 I attempted to upgrade my wife's iPod 4th generation to iOS 6.1.
 The device froze after it was supposed to reboot, and now we can't do 
 anything with it, no shut down, no reset, etc.
 I tried connecting it to my Macintosh  , but iTunes doesn't recognize it.
 Is there any keystroke combination  to get the device unstuck?
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.
 
 Bob Hill
 
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Re: Bard download Question

[Robert Hill]

What worked for me is not to have Safari open the downloaded file.
Then when I go to the downloads folder, each zipped file has the correct name.
I just unzip them, and put the folders where I want them.

Bob Hill

On Sep 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Richard Ring richr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Greetings,
 One of the nice things about downloading books from the National Library 
 Service (NLS) on the Mac is that if you have the check box in Safari 
 preferences that says open safe files after download checked, Safari will 
 extract the archived files you download from NLS and place them in their own 
 folders. This makes it very convenient so when you want to copy these books 
 to a device that can read them, all you have to do is copy the folder for 
 each book and you're good to go.
 Now, here is the problem I had. I admit from the outset that I'm weird. I 
 decided on September first that I wanted to download all of the Harry Potter 
 novels, because I could, and because I could then read them whenever I 
 wanted. Well, what the Mac did, was give each Bard book the same folder name, 
 almost. It named each folder DB-JK and DB-JK2 and so on. So, I couldn't tell 
 which book was which. So, I deleted the 3 books I downloaded, and started 
 over. This time, I downloaded one book at a time, and renamed each folder 
 with the correct name for each book.
 Now, finally, for my question. Is there an easier way I could have 
 accomplished this?
 Thanks for reading this long message.
 
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Re: Accessible Fruitmachine is published

[Robert Hill]

Hi,

It sounds like others have given good advice.

As my wife will attest, I'm not good at casino games, have lost many shirts 
there grin.

That's why I love this game :)

Bob

On May 14, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

 Bob,
 Can you give me tips on playing?
 I haven't been able to score yet.
 
 On May 14, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Robert Hill wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan and list,
 
 Got the game, having a great time with it.
 
 
 Thanks.
 
 Bob Hill
 
 On May 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Chacón Barbero wrote:
 
 Good afternoon,
 
 Accessible fruitmachine is available in the App store for all countries 
 
 Use this link to buy it 
 http://itunes.apple.com/app/accessible-fruitmachine/id525260608?l=esls=1mt=8
 
 Regards
 
  Jonathan Chacón
 
  Accessibility, usability and new technologies consultant
 
 Accessibility should be a base of the project, it should not be a patch of 
 the product
 
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Re: Accessible Fruitmachine is published

[Robert Hill]

Hi Jonathan,

In America, an expression is losing your shirt when you lose money.

Bob

On May 15, 2012, at 6:21 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote:

 Hello Robert,
 
 sorry, I'm lost in translation but I hope you enjoy the game.
 
 If you have any suggestion or question, please, send me an e-Mail for 
 developing more features or new games
 
 
 Regards
   Jonathan Chacón
 
 El 15/05/2012, a las 11:42, Robert Hill escribió:
 
 Hi,
 
 It sounds like others have given good advice.
 
 As my wife will attest, I'm not good at casino games, have lost many shirts 
 there grin.
 
 That's why I love this game :)
 
 Bob
 
 On May 14, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 
 Bob,
 Can you give me tips on playing?
 I haven't been able to score yet.
 
 On May 14, 2012, at 12:50 PM, Robert Hill wrote:
 
 Hi Jonathan and list,
 
 Got the game, having a great time with it.
 
 
 Thanks.
 
 Bob Hill
 
 On May 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Chacón Barbero wrote:
 
 Good afternoon,
 
 Accessible fruitmachine is available in the App store for all countries 
 
 Use this link to buy it 
 http://itunes.apple.com/app/accessible-fruitmachine/id525260608?l=esls=1mt=8
 
 Regards
 
  Jonathan Chacón
 
  Accessibility, usability and new technologies consultant
 
 Accessibility should be a base of the project, it should not be a patch 
 of the product
 
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 +34 679953948
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Re: Accessible Fruitmachine is published

[Robert Hill]

Hi Jonathan and list,

Got the game, having a great time with it.


Thanks.

Bob Hill

On May 14, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Jonathan Chacón Barbero wrote:

 Good afternoon,
 
 Accessible fruitmachine is available in the App store for all countries 
 
 Use this link to buy it 
 http://itunes.apple.com/app/accessible-fruitmachine/id525260608?l=esls=1mt=8
 
 Regards
 
  Jonathan Chacón
 
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 Accessibility should be a base of the project, it should not be a patch of 
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Re: A Question for NLS Web Braille Subscribers

[Robert Hill]

Hi all,

You need to put a / character at the end of the URL
http://www.loc.gov/nls/braille/

That should get you where you want to be.
Look for the online catalog  link.

Bob Hill



On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:08 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

 Hello,
 
 While I can find my username and password, I cannot, it seems, find the URL
 in order to search and/or download NLS Web Titles.  
 
 The URL I have is loc.gov/nls/Braille, however, this does not, as it once
 did about 9 years ago (smile), land me on a page from which I can serch for
 web Braille titles.  
 
 Yes, it's true, I have not been to the site in about 8 years or so.  
 
 Anyway, I am hoping that someone can give me a current URL for Web Braille
 titles.
 
 Thank you,
 
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Re: farily urgent! Regarding Flash Back

[Robert Hill]

I didn't see anything new in updates, but when I went into the Utilities 
folder, then to Java preferences app, I was told that I needed to install a 
java runtime.
When I installed it, I got it from software updates, and got it installed.

Bob Hill

On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

 No I don't see any new software in software update either.
 On Apr 6, 2012, at 5:23 PM, ShamelessFanGirl wrote:
 
 Same exact thing here Donna. I've received neither java update thus far, and 
 each time I run software update, it claims there's nothing new. It found the 
 digital camera update though.
 
 Thoughts anyone? And as always, TIA.
 On Apr 6, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Happily I wasn't infected either.  I ran software update to try and get 
 Apple's fix for this, but only saw updates for raw camera and iPhoto.  Did 
 anyone else find a software update to address this issue?
 TIA,
 Donna
 On Apr 6, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote:
 
 I too was lucky to to avoid infection and found the process to check very 
 uncomplicated. 
 Here are the instructions: 
 Disinfection
 Manual Removal
 
 Caution: Manual disinfection is a risky process; it is recommended only 
 for advanced users. Otherwise, please seek professional technical 
 assistance. F-Secure customers may also contact our Support.
 
 
 Manual Removal Instructions
 
 1. Run the following command in Terminal: 
 
 defaults read /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment 
 
 2. Take note of the value, DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES
 3. Proceed to step 8 if you got the following error message:
 
 The domain/default pair of (/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info, 
 LSEnvironment) does not exist 
 
 4. Otherwise, run the following command in Terminal: 
 
 grep -a -o '__ldpath__[ -~]*' %path_obtained_in_step2% 
 
 5. Take note of the value after __ldpath__
 6. Run the following commands in Terminal (first make sure there is only 
 one entry, from step 2): 
 
 sudo defaults delete /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment 
 
 sudo chmod 644 /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info.plist 
 
 7. Delete the files obtained in steps 2 and 5
 8. Run the following command in Terminal: 
 
 defaults read ~/.MacOSX/environment DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES 
 
 9. Take note of the result. Your system is already clean of this variant 
 if you got an error message similar to the following: 
 
 The domain/default pair of (/Users/joe/.MacOSX/environment, 
 DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES) does not exist 
 
 10. Otherwise, run the following command in Terminal: 
 
 grep -a -o '__ldpath__[ -~]*' %path_obtained_in_step9% 
 
 11. Take note of the value after __ldpath__
 12. Run the following commands in Terminal: 
 
 defaults delete ~/.MacOSX/environment DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES 
 
 launchctl unsetenv DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES 
 
 13. Finally, delete the files obtained in steps 9 and 11.
 
 Note:
 
 Some Flashback variants include additional components, which require 
 additional steps to remove. Please refer to 
 ourTrojan-Downloader:OSX/Flashback.K description for additional 
 information and removal instructions.
 
 Aloha, 
 
 Charlie
 
 Our new book YOU MIGHT BE A MORON is on sale at www.giantdolphin.com 
 click the off the bookshelf link 
 
 
 
 On Apr 5, 2012, at 6:14 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 complicated?
 
 I found the directions over at F-Prot to be very uncomplicated. btw, I 
 was not infected, but a room mate was. 
 
 Sophos for OS X is pretty accessible (except for the system tray icon 
 that sits left of the apple scripts icon. I can't seem to gain access to 
 that (or soundflower for that matter). 
 
 -eric
 
 On Apr 5, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Doubtless, by now, y'all have heard of the Flash Back Trojan and the 
 fact that 6000 Macs were most likely infected by this thing!  I found 
 that the removal process for this bugger is quite complex and is done 
 mainly from terminal.
 
 All I can tell you here is that you type in the following code in to 
 terminal to see if you're infected:
 
 defaults read /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment 
 defaults read /Applications/Firefox.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment 
 defaults read ~/.MacOSX/environment DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES
 
 IF you get back the message saying that the default pairs does not exist 
 or something like that, you are not infected.  This nasty virus desgizes 
 itself in the form of an update to the Adobe flash player.  this hit me 
 the other day and so I decided I'd better check to see if I was 
 infected.  so far, I appear not to be.  In light of this, does anybody 
 know of a good anti virus app for the Mac which is very accessible?
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
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Re: DVD's

[Robert Hill]

One thing that has gotten me into trouble is when I forget that QuickNav is on.
Turn it off and the arrow keys should do what they're supposed to.
I've forgotten this more times than I want to remember :)

Bob Hill

On Mar 14, 2012, at 6:39 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:

 Hello Teresa and All,
 
 I'm trying to watch TV seasons. Pressing the Space has not gotten the shows 
 to play. I've tried using the controls and nothing has happened. What could I 
 possibly be missing?
 
 
 Ezzie Bueno
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 On Mar 14, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
 In DVD Player, you use space to play and pause, right-arrow and left-arrows 
 to go to next and previous chapters. In the menus, the keystrokes are 
 listed, especially for the controls menu.
 
 htH,
 Teresa
 
 Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P. 
 Feynman
 
 On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:25 PM, Ezzie Bueno wrote:
 
 Hello Lis:
 
 How exactly can I get DVD's to play effectively? It is hard to keep 
 guessing which button to press or what to select on the title submenue.
 
 Thanks,
 Ezzie Bueno
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