RE: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

[gary-melconian]

Agree wwith you.  

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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Face it: Every new Apple technology is a disaster

I would really just rather just keep it stupid simple and keep the fingerprint 
sensor. I am not against them adding face reg but I like the fingerprint 
myself. It all ready works with my bank app and all with out needing an update.

On 8/30/17, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> OK. Will find out all of this when we find out, which is when Apple 
> decides to release the phone. I highly doubt the face recognition is 
> going to be based on pictures, it will most likely be infrared which 
> will be easier for people who can’t see it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 5:02 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> What I'd like to know is how is voice over going to work with Face 
>> recognition?  My other question is how is a VI person to point the 
>> phone at one's face for the software to pick up that it was you?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 30 Aug 2017, at 15:06, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I may be misreading things somewhat, but I find this article to have 
>>> some tongue-in-cheek factor to it.  It references all the hype and 
>>> scare tactics out there when past features were implemented, and did 
>>> the bad things really come to pass?  As Scott says, don't be naive 
>>> and believe that nothing can happen, but also don't jump on the 
>>> bandwagon freaking out at things that have likely been considered in 
>>> a very detailed manner by Apple developers.
>>>
>>> Later...
>>>
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>>
>>> On Aug 29, 2017, at 22:32, Scott Granados 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mark, very interesting article.  See I’m not as sensitive to this 
>>> because I’ve worked for the government and for companies in highly 
>>> secure locations where your face is scanned all the time.  Face, 
>>> eyes, hands, finger prints, all scanned and cross referenced.  When 
>>> I worked for a major financial house I had my hands scanned in 3D and sent 
>>> to the
>>> federal reserve for a background check.   So the idea that some
>>> biometrics of mine exist out there in various clouds doesn’t freak 
>>> me out.  I also worked for a company that put facial recognition in 
>>> stores, the way Bes Buy and other big chains do now.  All technology 
>>> has good and bad sides.  I like the comment we need to do our own do 
>>> diligence.  I think that’s true.  It can be hard though, there’s so 
>>> much conspiracy theory nonsense out there but then there are some 
>>> real conspiracies to be careful of so there you go.  Great article, keep em 
>>> coming.
>>>
 On Aug 29, 2017, at 6:58 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

 Macworld - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 at 4:00 AM Face it: Every new 
 Apple technology is a disaster Apple is expected to release a new 
 technology next month so you know what that means: it's time to 
 worry about how bad it will be.
 Writing for Mashable, Jack Morse says if you're not afraid, you will be.
 You
 will be.
 That is, of course, a reference to a line the popular movie series 
 Star Trek. Don't @ me.
 "Facial recognition tech is taking over smartphones. Here's why you 
 should be worried." (Tip o' the antlers to Tibor Csapo.) There are 
 few things more personal than a face.
 A bespoke granite carving of a beloved pet thrown through the plate 
 glass window of your summer house. A loved one who can recite your 
 genome from memory. An H-shaped pair of coffins so you and your 
 spouse can hold hands for all eternity. Your groin. That's about 
 it.
 Every wrinkle, blemish, and freckle combine to tell a person's story.
 That mole that looks cancerous. The vertical scar running over your 
 left eye which is a glassy white and a memento of that knife fight 
 in Singapore in 1936. Your gold prosthetic nose. Your face tattoo 
 that says "FREE MUSTACHE RIDES". This is who you are, Marsha.
 Oh, and if smartphone manufactures have their way, that map will 
 also soon be the preeminent key to your digital life.
 At least we won't be misplacing it all the time, amirite?! Ha-ha!
 Any-hoo,
 what's the deal with avocado toast?
 Basically, it's a lose-lose situation-albeit one that the 
 smartphone makers of the world seem all too excited to drag us 
 into.
 You will not be surprised to learn that the word "enclave", which 
 is used to describe the technology Apple currently uses to keep 
 your fingerprint safe as part of Touch ID and will certainly be 
 used as part of Face ID, does not appear anywhere in this article.
 Companies like Apple, Google, and Qualcomm 

RE: wifi modem / routers

[gary-melconian]

Intesting your using a net gear one. I would use a ubiquity  product a sthat is 
the it choice.  I have that in the office and at home. Now the issue with home 
is I need a mesh network. I know you told meo t take a look ath eubiquity 
amplifie  .  will most likely take a loo kan let you know whati think.  

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RE: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to switchers

[gary-melconian]

Yes they do.  

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Subject: Re: Ahead of iPhone 8, Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one 
year for $1' deal to switchers

Doesn't virgin use the Sprint network? That would be a huge downside.
Mary


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> On Aug 24, 2017, at 7:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 23, 2017 at 5:58 AM Ahead of iPhone 8, 
> Virgin Mobile extends 'all you can eat for one year for $1' deal to 
> switchers
> 
> Virgin Mobile really loves iPhone users . After going iPhone-only back 
> in June, and offering a really sweet deal to those buying a new phone, 
> it has now extended the offer to existing iPhone owners switching to the 
> carrier.
> The carrier says that any iPhone owner who ports their number to 
> Virgin will be able to get the same 'all you can eat' $1 deal for a full 12 
> months .
> 
> When you bring your existing iPhone and transfer your phone number to 
> the "Inner Circle" plan, you will enjoy 12 months of unlimited talk, 
> text and high-speed data for just $1 on Virgin Mobile's nationwide network.
> After the first year, you'll be switched to the company's standard 
> 'unlimited everything' plan, which costs $50 per month. The deal 
> needn't end there, though: you'll get an additional six months of 
> service for $1 if you upgrade to a new iPhone.
> As we noted before, the usual carrier caveats apply: your data usage 
> may be 'deprioritized' if you go over 23GB a month, and terminated 
> altogether if you do a lot of roaming. To qualify, you'll need an 
> iPhone 5s or later, and the offer is subject to confirmation of compatibility 
> with Virgin's network.
> Virgin says that the deal is open for a short time, but doesn't 
> specify a cutoff date.
> "At Virgin Mobile, we don't like playing by the rules, even our own," 
> said Dow Draper, CEO of Virgin Mobile USA. "Consumers know that the 
> Inner Circle is the real deal, but many love their current phones or 
> don't want to upgrade yet. So, now for a short period of time, you can 
> bring your own iPhone to Virgin Mobile and enjoy everything the Inner 
> Circle offers - including the savings - $1 for 12 months of service. 
> It's also a great way to try out the Virgin Mobile network with your own 
> iPhone."
> It does say that there will be a $25 charge for the SIM from September 29.
> 
> Original Article at: 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/23/virgin-mobile-usa-1-unlimited-bring-you
> r-own-
> iphone/
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RE: Verizon permanently throttling video on all unlimited plans, as low as 480p on iPhones

[gary-melconian]

They just lost a bunch of customers to  att , t-mobile and sprint. All those 
customers are going to be those switchers that t-mobile has been targeting 
lately . Now they have even more bullets in their firing armor.  

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Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:56 PM
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Subject: Re: Verizon permanently throttling video on all unlimited plans, as 
low as 480p on iPhones

VZW what a rip off!

On 8/23/17, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 9to5Mac - Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 4:29 AM Verizon permanently 
> throttling video on all unlimited plans, as low as 480p on iPhones
>
> We noted last month that Verizon was throttling Netflix and YouTube 
> usage for 'unlimited' plan users even before they hit the 22GB level 
> at which the company says it may reduce bandwidth - and it has now 
> been revealed that this was just stage one.
> Verizon is now starting to throttle all video on its 'unlimited' 
> plans, with bandwidth limited to as little as 480p when watching on a 
> smartphone .
>
> As The Verge reports, Verizon is splitting out its so-called unlimited 
> plan into three versions.
> . Go Unlimited: $75/month. Video capped to 480p on smartphones, 720p
> on tablets.
> . Beyond Unlimited: $85/month. Video capped to 720p on smartphones,
> 1080p on tablets.
> . Business Unlimited: Price varies. Video capped to 480p on
> smartphones, 720p on tablets.
> Not only this, but unlike the previous plan which allowed the carrier 
> to reduce your data speeds after 22GB in one month, small-print in the 
> basic Go Unlimited plan lets Verizon do so any time there is network 
> congestion - aka the company not providing enough bandwidth to meet 
> customer needs. The company does say than anyone unhappy with 
> performance on this plan can upgrade to Beyond.
> Existing customers can keep their current plan, and you'll also get 
> 15GB of full-speed LTE hotspot usage (up from 10GB) - but that still 
> won't protect you from video throttling.
> This is what's likely going to enrage Verizon customers most. No 
> matter what plan you're on - whether it's the old, grandfathered 
> unlimited data plan or a tiered plan or the new unlimited plan - 
> Verizon is taking a tighter grip over video streaming. "Moving 
> forward, HD video on all legacy plans will also match Beyond 
> Unlimited's HD quality."
> So you'll soon be limited to a maximum video quality of 720p streaming 
> on phones and 1080p if you've got a tablet on your plan.
> The company claims that nobody can tell the difference between 720p 
> and higher on a phone and 1080p and better on a tablet, claims which 
> are clearly ridiculous on an iPhone and iPad.
> Customers were able to circumvent the previous Netflix- and 
> YouTube-specific throttling by using a compatible VPN, but it's 
> unclear whether this will help if the company is limiting the 
> bandwidth of all video. The new limits kick in tomorrow for new 
> customers, and 'soon' for existing ones, so it seems we won't have to 
> wait long before we find out.
>
> Original Article at:
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/22/verizon-unlimited-video-throttling/
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RE: Apple Watch 3 to use E-SIm for LTE, phone calling not supported

[gary-melconian]

Tersting that aple is always taking out  features from the devices. I really 
wonder wht in the hell tim cook is thinking. 

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RE: Smart TV

[gary-melconian]

Scott ar  you talking about me. I  have what your talking about but I am not on 
direct tv unfortunately. Direct tv and the package that I have with giga  power 
 gigabit  connection would have ben a really pricy proposition so I just did 
the cord cutting approach got all the channels I could off the other providers 
like you tube tv, hoolu tv, sling, and sony has a package and I got all the 
channels that  I wanted in an ala cart bundle with out having to pay what 
direct tv and the uverse giga power  giga bit connection bundle would have cost 
me. I got all this for under $300  which if I did the giga power bundle with 
direct tv iwas looking north of $550 with everything a month .at this point 
aht was not wfor me but just letting you thatthese hight band width connection 
and all the tv that you can stomach is going ot cost you a pricy bundle as 
well.  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: Smart TV

That’s where you need to find someone generous who will give you his provider 
credentials to light up your applications.  Say someone with a gig of access 
and the ultimate TV + Sports package with every channel enabled.;)


> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:00 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   At the moment, the built in apps are sufficient. I hid the majority of them 
> because I do not want to be saddled with multiple subscriptions. I was 
> disappointed to find out this week that even PBS wants you to be a 
> "sustaining member" to access their premium content. Sad.
> 
>   Anyway, I will be window shopping and add to my wish list.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 8/11/2017 8:52 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> So 3rd gen doesn’t have apps I don’t think the model I speak of is the one 
>> that had internal memory and runs actual IOS or TVOS apps.  Just for 
>> completeness and accuracy.
>> 
>> And yes you most certainly can handle it if the AV control protocol isn’t 
>> enabled on the box you’re attaching.
>> 
>> As far as models, you probably don’t want the ones I bought because of the 
>> price but the ones I’m familiar with are the 7500, 8500 and 9500 series 
>> which are basically different screen technologies with them all being 4K but 
>> the 9500 model hs quantum dots which is a much more accurate generator of 
>> pixels.  That being said you may not want to go so high end.  What you want 
>> to insure is what ever Samsung you go with it supports Voice Guide or they 
>> also call it accessibility features.
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:47 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Thanks Scott. Ok that sounds good to me, so if the other device does not 
>>> support the auto switching, it still is doable. Is there a particular model 
>>> that I should look at? My Apple TV 3rd still does what I want and I am 
>>> starting to use the apps more too.
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind 
>>> off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> On 8/11/2017 8:40 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
 It depends if you have HDMI control messages enabled on both the TV and 
 the end device supports it.  I can confirm Samsung does this with the Gen 
 4 Apple TV but not previous versions, Google Chrome Cast works this way as 
 does Comcast, charter and FIOS set top boxes.  So it can be hit or miss 
 but your general idea is sound. Samsung also provides spoken output so you 
 can change sources very easily and not have to memorize or guess what port 
 you’re on.
 
 
 
> On Aug 11, 2017, at 11:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will switch to an 
> active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand? My current TV is 9 
> years old, might be time to replace it.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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RE: Smart TV

[gary-melconian]

What sho is that . I have not sseen that  one on amazon prime. Maybe I don’t 
know about it.  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2017 10:10 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Smart TV

Ah Mary so you see what I’m saying about amazon TV.  I have the Fire TV and it 
also uses voice view and I imagine is quite like what they include in the full 
blown TV sets but having not used one I’m not sure.  Either way I love Fire TV 
and voice view as well.  Not to mention I just like that prime content.

Bosh and the Grand Tour totally got me hooked.

> On Aug 11, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes. Pressing a button on the remote for the device that you want to switch 
> to switches it there. It will even turn the TV on if the TV is off. I have 
> DirecTV, and Amazon fire stick, and fourth generation Apple TV. I can't speak 
> to the third generation one. Also, it seems to me that this ability to do 
> this switching when you punch a button on the remote started happening after 
> a recent firmware update. Why that should be, I haven't a clue. I will have 
> to get the model number for you, as I don't remember it. And my sided partner 
> is still sleeping. I am Magine my TV was on the opposite end of the Samsung 
> spectrum from Scott. It is not 4K. And I think it's only a 32 inch screen. I 
> do have a nice sound bar for it. I got it on sale at Best Buy sometime around 
> the holidays. Quite honestly, if I were going to buy a TV now, I would want 
> to know a lot more about the new Amazon TV set. I'm really impressed with the 
> work that they're doing over there with voiceview. I think it has the best 
> sound, and is the most flexible. But I don't know about the capability of the 
> actual TV to do the thing you want to do. If That worked, and I were buying a 
> TV now, I would not hesitate to get the Amazon one.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:51 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Mary,
>>  Do you have the model number? With the Apple TV, if you want to switch back 
>> to it, what triggers that? Pressing a button on the remote?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, 
>> all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off 
>> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/11/2017 8:42 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a Samsung smart TV which I bought at the end of last year. It does 
>>> what you are saying you would like yours to do. I can't swear that they all 
>>> do it. Mine has three HDMI inputs, all full. And if I start doing something 
>>> on one of the devices that's plugged into one of the HDMI ports, it 
>>> switches there.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Aug 11, 2017, at 8:26 AM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 Am I correct in thinking that with one of these TVs, it will switch to an 
 active input source, such as Apple TV? Samsung brand? My current TV is 9 
 years old, might be time to replace it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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 world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your 
 mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
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RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted do 
things the better we are in competing in their competitive world.  

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Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I 
totally disagree with you.

These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference 
between our use cases and the sited community.  Apple doesn’t view us as a 
totally different group.  We’re not shielded from the visual in their design.  
As you know the IOS or OS X usage model gives we blind users a better idea of 
what’s physically on the screen, object placement and the GUI in general.  
Unlike a JFW where the screens are totally repackaged in to a more list form 
interface Voice Over sticks more to the actual screen format and doesn’t shield 
me from items that many screen readers do.
Next, I don’t live in a vacuum of only blind people.  I’m just as 
interested in one method of doing things as another as I have to support sited 
people.

I think fragmenting us even further like that only serves to harm us as in all 
things, if you’re not interested use your delete key or build appropriate 
filters but I think a lot of us on list are very interested in this sort of 
article.  I’m very interested in new features.  Good thing with Apple is a new 
feature is a new feature, it’s not a new feature for the blind or a new sited 
feature, it’s just a feature.  Voice Over in Apple’s world is just a feature to 
be developed like all others.  I like that model.
 


> On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Mark.
> 
> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is going 
> to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted 
> person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in 
> the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using Voice Over.  
> So all these things would be better if we were going to learn how to do these 
> things with voice over.  After all this is a list for blind users.  If I 
> wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a sighted person did, then 
> I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry but these articles in my 
> opinion do not belong on a blindness list like this.  Many others will say 
> other wise but I am a blind user using voice over and not a blind person 
> using my phone in the sighted manner of a person who has sight and can use 
> the phone in the main stream kind of way.
> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to understand, 
> what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to understand all 
> this.
> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it as I 
> will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to use my I 
> phone as a sighted person can.
> Kawal.
>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With iOS 
>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to know 
>> just what you're in for after you install the latest and greatest 
>> Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of small, subtle 
>> tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that will undoubtedly 
>> take some getting used to.
>> 
>> Notification Center is no more
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that 
>> now it's called Cover Sheet.
>> 
>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and works 
>> in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts to take 
>> action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the display to launch 
>> the camera or view your Today panel.
>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent and 
>> Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>> 
>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced the 
>> iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure sensitive 
>> screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly switch between 
>> apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>> 
>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled 
>> iOS 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone has 
>> it too; albeit in very limited situations.
>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo 

RE: All-in-one printers/scanners

[gary-melconian]

Look aththe  the Epson line up either the work force or eco tank are the best.  

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RE: scheduling an Uber ride?

[gary-melconian]

Scott, I envy  you. One of these days we’re going to have to take a helicopter 
or plane ride in one of these toys of yours LOL.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:09 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

I used to use helicopters to get around south Florida but that’s because we had 
several aviation companies as customers.  Have been thinking about it for my 
commute from where I live in the woods to Boston everyday though.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  > wrote:

 

Oh um no thanks!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 9:58 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

You can Uber a helicopter now. I want to try this but haven’t yet.

 

On Aug 2, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli < 
 sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

Nope, no luck.

On a not so fun note, just discovered the city where my vet is located has 
blocked Uber. I had to find another ride home. Not fun!

 

Sarai D Bucciarelli   
www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli

 

From:   
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Scrivani
Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:23 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Again, once you hear the tipping button, swipe with one finger either to the 
right or left until you hear it say, “schedule in advance.” If you swipe in one 
direction and don’t hear it then swipe back in the opposite direction.

 

Have you kept the app updated? Perhaps you might want to check in the app store 
to see if there are any updates.

 

Eileen

 

 

From: Sarai Bucciarelli 

Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 11:19 PM

To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Still no luck. The only thing I see is a tipping button. I have looked 
everywhere and I cannot find it. I was told we do have it. I even logged off 
and back on to the app. Also, how do you delete places were you've been? My 
feed is getting clogged up places that I've traveled that I do not want to save 
his favorites.

Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Jenine Stanley <  
dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yep, this is fairly easy to set up. Keep in mind that it’s a 15 minute span 
rather than an exact time. I believe you also get a notification just before 
the 15 minutes starts and then another when you have a driver.  

 

I’ve only done this once with Uber and haven’t tried it on Lyft yet though we 
do have it here, and it worked well.

On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:31 PM, Eileen Scrivani <  
etscriv...@verizon.net> wrote:

 

Sarai, 

 

I just used this last week and it worked like a charm. Near the bottom of the 
screen, somewhere above the Home button, is a button that says “schedule a ride 
in advance.” If you don’t locate it then swipe either right or left until you 
hear it say just that and then double tap the button.

 

On the following screen, you can change the date of the ride if it isn’t the 
current date. Then go down a bit and there are picker buttons to select 
hour/minutes and either AM/PM. Once you have the date of your ride then move 
your finger near the bottom of the screen, probably just above the Home button 
again and double tap to “set the date.”

 

On the following screen you will set your pick up location and destination.

 

Once you get the address set the next screen for type of Uber ride you want 
will come up automatically. If your good with the uber-x economy then again, 
just above the home button is a “schedule ride” button. Double tap it and your 
ride will be set.

 

If at any time you need to cancel the ride you can double check it under the 
“upcoming rides” area.

 

Once your wait time starts I don’t think it will notify you until your ride is 
at the location.

 

I do wish they would make communicating with the driver easier or at least more 
apparent on the screens.

 

Good luck.

 

Eileen

From: Sarai Bucciarelli 

Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 5:01 PM

To:  macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: scheduling an Uber ride?

 

Hi guys:
I was told we can now schedule 

RE: Making a network between my Macmini and My windows 7 machine

[gary-melconian]

Agree with you on that one.  On my gigapower network with att I get really 
great band wwidth with wired compared to eh wireless network around this big 
house.  A lot of blind spots  wher no wifi around and that’s  why I asked about 
mesh routers around the house.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:14 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Making a network between my Macmini and My windows 7 machine

I’ll take the network question part of this.  For best performance you’d use a 
wire.  Wireless is good but wired is still your fastest option.  You can nail 
that wired connection to gigabit and get quite a bit of throughput.  Wireless 
will work but expect the wire to be as much as twice as fast possibly more.  
(That’s a rough estimation there’s a lot of factors to consider)

One other option you might go with is setting up a network attached storage 
that both your Mac and windows have access to.  You can get several terabytes 
for a couple hundred bucks and then you don’t have to leave both machines on 
all the time or depend on Windows.  You can use also different file transfer 
methods SIFS for Windows, and so forth which should perform better.  Just 
another way to get from here to there, take it a you wish and good luck.


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:08 AM, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> 
> don't know if this is possible, but I need to make a network between 
> my mac mini and my windows 7 computer, the reason is that, my data is 
> very huge and I need to use my Hd that is already on my windows 
> machine.
> so, will my idea can be achieved or it is not possible?
> also, is there any other way that I can do this/ and, what is the 
> best, to use network cable or to use wireless network? note that in my 
> mac mini there is a port for the network cable.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> --
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RE: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

[gary-melconian]

Will this app be coming to android as well.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Jeff Berwick
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 5:51 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

I have to admit, Microsoft did an amazing job on this product.  It is 
encouraging to think of the possibilities going forward.

 

Jeff

 

On Jul 16, 2017, at 8:50 AM, Larry Thacker Jr.  > wrote:

 

Thanks.  I was so blown away by the performance I didn’t explore further.  I 
thought I’d try it on my mail and was just amazed by how quickly it read.  I 
blew through the intro without paying much attention, so it didn’t occur to me 
there would be a mode for document scanning.  I’ll have to play with it.  There 
may not be a reason for me to bother with KNFB going forward.  

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:57 PM, Ryan Mann  > wrote:

 

You can actually save it if you use the document channel instead of short text.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Larry Thacker Jr. < 
 larry.thacker...@gmail.com> wrote:

It is awesome for quick reading.  If you don’t need to save the text, it walks 
all over KNFB.

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:44 PM, David & his pack of dogs < 
 myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

They must work on its accuracy.  It had me 18 years older then I really am and 
my wife 6 years older.  I am listed as a 76 years young man with grey hair and 
a beard.  I’m greying at the temples but, only 58 years young.  It is still a 
good app, though.  Just question its accuracy in facial recognition.  

 

From:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[  
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
Sent: July 15, 2017 1:29 PM
To:   macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Seeing AI app from Microsoft

 

Hi,

 

I don't believe that it's available in the UK yet.  Below is pasted from the 
description in the Canada Store.

 

Seeing AI is a free app that narrates the world around you. Designed for the 
blind and low vision community, this ongoing research project harnesses the 
power of AI to open up the visual world and describe nearby people, text, and 
objects. Optimized for use with VoiceOver, the app enables you to recognize:  • 
 Short Text - Speaks text as soon as it appears in front of the camera.  •  
   Documents - Provides audio guidance to capture a printed page, and 
recognizes the text, along with its original formatting.  • Products - Scans 
barcodes, using audio beeps to guide you; hear the name, and package 
information when available. (works with iPhone 6 and later) •   People 
- Saves people’s faces so you can recognize them, and get an estimate of their 
age, gender, and emotions.  •   Scenes (early preview) - Hear an overall 
description of the scene captured.  •  Images in other apps - Just tap “Share” 
and “Recognize with Seeing AI” to describe images from Mail, Photos, Twitter, 
and more.  Seeing AI is built to help you achieve more by leveraging the power 
of the cloud and artificial intelligence. As the research progresses, more 
channels may be added.  Visit   http://SeeingAI.com for 
more details and instructional videos.  Available in the U.S., Canada, India, 
Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore. Coming soon to more countries.  Languages 
supported – English  Supported on iPhone 5C, 5S and later; best performance 
with iPhone 6S and later models. Questions, feedback or feature requests? Email 
us at seeingai @   microsoft.com.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada 

 

On Jul 15, 2017, at 14:22, Kawal Gucukoglu <  
kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

 

I can't find it in the App store in the UK.  Please tell me what you put in to 
get it.

Kawal.




On 15 Jul 2017, at 20:55, David & his pack of dogs < 
 myguidedo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I loaded the app on my IPhone and took a picture of my wife. Being married to 
me has aged her by 6 years, according to the app. It had her age 6 years older 
then she really is.  Well, it is good for a laugh. All joking aside, the app 
works for people shots and does recognize dogs as not people, I took a picture 
of our Husky X.  I would recommend it, and have sent the YouTube link to people 
in Canada and New Zealand.  

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To: Mark Taylor < 

RE: Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning adapter - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Mary, I totally gree with you on this one. We will havet o test ot se hwo this 
one does do.  I am a bit cautious when aany o these are testited out .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 7:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 
Lightning adapter - CNET

Well, here's what I want to know. How about a blind test. How about the sighted 
 guy doesn't know which adapter he's using, and can he still hear the 
difference? I have some very excellent wired headphones from B and W and 
Audese, and I think they're fine with the lightning adapter. Maybe that's just 
my ears. But I don't trust this guy. Blindfold the sucker and then let's hear 
what he has to say.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 6:05 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET News - Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 11:47 AM
> 
> Replace your dubious iPhone 7 headphone dongle with this $40 Lightning 
> adapter - CNET
> 
> Let's say you dropped $300-plus on a nice set of wired AKG, Beats, 
> Beyerdynamic, Bose, Bowers & Wilkins, Grado, Oppo, Sennheiser or 
> Ultimate Ears headphones. Then later, you bought an iPhone 7 and 
> discovered it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack onboard. Are you 
> going to toss your headphones to get a set of Bluetooth headphones 
> that don't sound as good as what you have now? That doesn't make any sense.
> FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter FiiO Apple 
> nixed the 3.5mm headphone jack on the iPhone 7, and there's not much 
> chance it'll return on iPhone 8, but what are folks with nice wired 
> headphones to do? Sure, they could use the Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter 
> which comes bundled with the 7, but that's far from an optimal 
> solution. And that's not just my opinion, it's one of the 
> poorest-rated products on Apple's own site with 209 one- and two-star 
> reviews! Apple customers really don't like the adapter.
> Now, with FiiO's nifty i1 headphone amplifier and digital converter, 
> iPhone
> 7 (and presumably iPhone 8) users have a better option. It sells for 
> $39.99 on Amazon in the US and £49.99 in the UK. (The Australian price 
> hasn't been set, but you could expect it to sell for around AU$80.) 
> Comparison of Fiio i1 and Apple Lightning Adapter Steve 
> Guttenberg/CNET Naturally, we had to compare the two adapters, FiiO 
> and Apple. Starting with a Sennheiser Momentum 2.0, the i1's bass 
> definition firmed up compared with the Apple Adapter. With "Pink Up" 
> from Spoon's "Hot Thoughts" album, the drums and vibes have a lot of 
> reverb, and the i1 sounds clearer than the Apple adapter. Not by a 
> huge amount, but the differences are there.
> The changes were more obvious when I plugged in my Beyerdynamic T51p 
> on-ear headphones. The Apple adapter sounded muted and dull; the i1 
> had more life and energy.
> I also tried the i1 with some in-ear headphones, starting with my 
> Ultimate Ears UE900, and the sound quality differences were slight. So 
> I'm not all that convinced that i1 is a big enough sonic upgrade over 
> the Apple Adapter with every headphone. However, the good news is that 
> significantly better sound is available from the AudioQuest DragonFly 
> Black ($99, £89, AU$160) and DragonFly Red ($199, £169, AU$320) 
> portable headphone amplifiers/digital converters that work with 
> iPhones. The catch: they're the size of a USB flash drive, so they're bigger 
> and bulkier to carry around than the i1.
> The i1 cable has a mic and inline controls, but call sound quality was 
> a little muffled. There were instances where the i1 didn't play music 
> at first, but unplugging and replugging the Lightning connector once 
> or twice usually brought the sound back to life. What can I say -- the 
> Lightning plug isn't the most reliable connector for audio devices.
> The FiiO i1's 32-inch (81mm) cable was too long, I'd be happier if it 
> was half that length, but as it stands, the i1 is a viable alternative 
> for iPhone owners who have a decent pair of wired headphones and want 
> something a little better than Apple's less-than-stellar Lightning 
> adapter. I'm hoping even better adapters will eventually show up, but 
> for now, I'm sticking with my iPhone 6S that has a 3.5mm headphone jack and 
> the Lightning connector.
> 
> Original Article at:
> https://www.cnet.com/news/apples-lightning-headphone-adapter-is-a-dud-
> fiios-
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RE: Outlook for iOS updated with redesigned navigation, conversations, and more

[gary-melconian]

Thanks for letting us know about this one mary.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:51 PM
To: viph...@googlegroups.com; mac4thebl...@freelists.org; 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Outlook for iOS updated with redesigned navigation, conversations, and 
more

 

I don't use Outlook myself, but I thought this would be of interest to those 
who do.

 

Outlook for iOS updated with redesigned navigation, conversations, and more

9to5Mac  /  Michael Potuck





  

Microsoft has today announced an 

  update to its Outlook app for iOS that brings a variety of changes and 
improvements. The two new headline features are redesigned conversations and 
navigation, while an improved search will be coming soon.

The update to Outlook’s conversations design makes it easier to stay on top of 
email threads, especially long ones.

*   Outlook now shows more of your conversation at once and provides 
clearer separation between individual messages, making it simpler to catch up 
on your conversations.

*   When you tap on a conversation to read it, Outlook automatically opens 
to show the first unread message. You can pick up right where you left off 
without scrolling.

*   You can now quickly reply to everyone by simply tapping the quick reply 
box and starting to type. When you’re done, just tap the send button to see 
your message added to the conversation. This means that you are now finally 
able to see the rest of the conversation while you type your reply.

*   If you want to do more with a conversation than just quickly reply, 
simply tap the recipients list to edit, or the ellipsis to get to the 
additional actions, like Forward.

For the improved navigation design, Microsoft has brought a faster way to 
switch between accounts and browse folders, as well as getting support.

*   The account and folder menu has been beautifully redesigned to give you 
super-fast access to all your accounts, as well as key folders such as Inbox, 
Drafts and Groups 

 . Pro tip: Press and hold on an account avatar to pin the sidebar open!

*   Help and Settings buttons are easy to get to in the sidebar, making it 
even quicker to get in-app product support. While we hope you don’t ever need 
to contact our support team, we know we’re not perfect, and there are times you 
could use a helping hand. They’re always available and ready to help, all 
within the app!

Lastly, Outlook for iOS and Android will be getting “a more intelligent search” 
in the near future:

*   Search will be front and center in the app’s simplified tab bar. No 
matter where you are, the new search will be a tap away. Our goal is to bring 
more proactive and contextual information to your fingertips without even 
needing to type in a search box.

*   People and Files will be seamlessly integrated as part of the search 
experience. There’s a section for People and Files—both with proactive 
suggestions.

*   When typing a name in the search box, it will instantly display 
suggestions from your most frequent contacts. Tapping on a person provides 
one-tap access to the new People card 

  announced a few weeks ago.

Microsoft has also posted a short video showing the new changes to the Outlook 
app, which is a free download from the App Store  .

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RE: Windstream versus Cox?

[gary-melconian]

Charter is one o the worse. By rebranding themselves. Its even gotten wore form 
friends who I know who areo n it. there are looking for laternativs ot jump 
from charter now rebranded as spectrum.  

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Subject: Re: Windstream versus Cox?

Well you could always give charter a shot and if you don’t like them go to plan 
B.  At least they install quickly or they did up here in the north east.  I had 
them while I was waiting for the fiber build for my home which took about a 
month.  Tolerable but not nearly the performer FIOS is.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> It does help, thanks! Once I get done unpacking boxes, I will definitely 
> explore this a little bit further. I certainly don't want to be down for five 
> days every time our Internet goes out. :-) Thanks Scott.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s just a different thing.
>> 
>> Instead of going through a phone company to get to your house like the local 
>> bell for DSL or cable they use a wireless system.  There’s a central tower 
>> with sector panels on top and then they point these small panel looking 
>> antennas towards the tower for service.  You might stick a panel on your 
>> roof or your side or even just set it in a window depending on your view of 
>> the tower.  Speeds from 1 megabit up to hundreds is usually available.  
>>   Whether it’s good or not depends on how it’s built out like most things.  
>> If they used licensed spectrum and good quality gear it usually works great. 
>>  If they use regular WiFi gear you can have mixed results.  Also depends on 
>> geography and the view of the tower but that’s what the site survey is for.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, when I was reading about them, it said something about them being 
>>> fixed wireless providers. Sorry if this is a dumb question but what exactly 
>>> does that mean? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:19 PM, Scott Granados  
 wrote:
 
 I know a little bit about them.  I believe both are fixed wireless 
 providers so they may install a small panel on your home that broadcasts 
 back to a tower.  Some used licensed space and others use regular non 
 licensed WiFi frequencies.  I believe they were a member of the 
 ISP-Wireless and some other groups I used to be a part of when I was in 
 the provider game.  Wouldn’t hurt to havre a free home site survey done to 
 see if you could reach their tower.  Depends on how long they make you 
 wait for the luxury.:)
 
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:58 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Scott. The two that seem to get the most favorable reviews are 
> future technologies and rise broadband. Happen to know either of them? 
> Thanks again!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:45 PM, Scott Granados  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Feel free to post the names of who is available to you locally.  You 
>> never know I may know one or two of them and can help you get taken 
>> seriously.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, that's too bad!  Thanks for the warning, though. Maybe I'll take a 
>>> closer look at some of the smaller providers. There's one that got 
>>> reviewed well, but they want to contract, and I don't. :-)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Scott Granados 
  wrote:
 
 Oh you definitely don’t want charter.  I had them before FIOS.  The 
 signal constantly dropped out, internet was about half as fast as 
 advertised, very hard to cancel, hold times over an hour when you 
 needed anything.  If you’re hesitant about the smaller guys just wait 
 until you get hooked up to a big one.
 
 You might have a local fiber or high speed provider that would do you 
 better.  Your call though.
 
> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:53 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> There are a couple, but at the moment I'm feeling sort of negative 
> about small local guys.  Looks like Charter is going to be the large 
> provider alternative.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Scott Granados 
>>  wrote:
>> 

RE: Removal of 3D Touch app switching gesture in iOS 11 confirmed as intentional change

[gary-melconian]

I bbeg to differ with you mary on the competition not having x or y. you have 
not  have  time  to play with the android o preview on the competition latform 
so I wonder how you can come to your conclusions on  whathe completion has or 
does not have in their products .i don’t jump to conclusions on things that I 
have not tried on I o s 11. So I would much rather wait and see what each 
platform has before jumping to conclusions. There are things cooking on both 
platform for all of  us to enjoy in the long run. That’s  what I like about 
compepition. One comes with an innovative mouse trap and the other counters 
with a better mouse trap. It’s this competition  which makes our lives great on 
both platforms.  

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RE: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Thanks  mary, for the explanation of this one.  

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CNET

I remember that portable receiver as well. I will be curious if you try it. The 
problem I see with this approach is that the actual GPS Mark, so to  speak, is 
often some ways away from the actual building you're trying to go to. It might 
be in a parking lot for instance. Or so I have heard from the makers of nearby 
explorer and Seeing Eye GPS. The folks who decide where exactly on the map or 
whatever it is that GPS is keying on our more interested in cars getting to 
where they're going and pedestrians

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> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Good ol Smith-Kettlewell, I remember building some of their projects when I 
> was in school.  I will definitely check out this app.
>The physical talking signs unit was very simple but effective.  You 
> pointed a small IR receiver that converted the IR signal to speech and the 
> clearer the sound the more closely aligned to the correct direction you were. 
>  They put transmitters over the tracks at the train station with the track 
> number for example or over the Subway sub shop sign directly over the door.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 5:30 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
>> 
>> Smith-Kettlewell, the developers of Talking Signs, put out an app called 
>> Over There, which works on the iPhone like the Talking Signs receiver. It 
>> uses GPS and the Google Places database.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27/06/2017, at 23:55, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow, in door navigation, that’s a very cool feature if in fact it’s 
>>> included.  How will this work off bluetooth beacons or something different? 
>>>  I used to like the talking signs system that was deployed in several 
>>> public transit and similar areas in San Francisco.  Used very simple analog 
>>> Infrared signals but was fairly effective.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 26, 2017, at 10:36 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
 
 This was one sighted person describing what they found in the new beta. 
 Just because accessibility wasn't mentioned doesn't mean that nothing was 
 added to accessibility.
 
 I did catch something on the keynote that I have heard nobody talk about.
 
 Specifically indoor navigation with support for several malls and 
 airports. I highly expect Tysons Cornerr, a mall that is only two miles 
 from my house , to be a good candidate. Not only is the mall packed every 
 weekend and most evenings, it was also the site of the first Apple Retail 
 store. So I am hoping that the indoor navigation helps me verify if I have 
 passed Nordstroms or still have  200 feet to go.
 
 Best Wishes,
 
 Jonathan
 
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RE: Adobe Improves Support for Accessible PDF Documents on Mobile Devices | Adobe Document Cloud

[gary-melconian]

Thanks mary for the cross post. Will be checking this one out on both I o s and 
android.  

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Subject: Adobe Improves Support for Accessible PDF Documents on Mobile Devices 
| Adobe Document Cloud

Sorry for the cross posting, but I thought this could be of interest to folks 
on these lists who havei-devices. It looks like there are some improvements for 
reading PDF documents on these devices, but no tables yet, unfortunately. Let's 
hope it doesn't take them too long to get that implemented.
Mary

https://blogs.adobe.com/documentcloud/adobe-improves-support-for-accessible-pdf-documents-on-mobile-devices/


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RE: Full Article: iOS 11 public beta: What it does for the iPhone - CNET

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Mary, you are forgetting, apple does not care about you any more. They will 
build product charge an darm and a leg . fi you want it you wwill buy it if not 
then you wont. That’s the attitude of apple lately. So I wold not bbe surprised 
that they will not bother to work on accessibility any more. Wahthe point if 
they are to get a few customrers  to upgrade in the long run.  

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CNET

Well, if I'm understanding this correctly, I have to say I'm disappointed about 
the scanning in the PDF. Yet another excuse to have a not editable text in a 
PDF file. Very sad. Apple, if you care about excess ability, you'll change this.
Mary


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> On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> CNET News - Monday, June 26, 2017 at 1:01 PM iOS 11 public beta: What 
> it does for the iPhone - CNET The iPhone 8 could end up being an 
> amazing, transformative 10th-anniversary iPhone. At first glance, iOS 
> 11 doesn't seem quite so ambitious. It's more of a series of targeted 
> upgrades, with some of them being downright fantastic.
> Apple's newest version of its operating system for iPhones and iPads 
> doesn't formally arrive until later this year, but it's here in public 
> beta form now. You can install it on your own iPads and iPhones, if 
> you dare. Don't do so on your primary device, however, only experiment 
> with it on a secondary device, and be ready for plenty of bugs. Betas 
> do weird things sometimes and App Store apps aren't optimized for it yet 
> anyway.
> I've already been using it for a few days, testing it on an iPhone 7 
> Plus (for this story) and a new 10.5-inch iPad Pro (to see all the 
> extra features it adds on the iPad). With the caveat that this is a 
> beta -- and not a feature-complete one at that -- here are my first 
> impressions.
> The killer features:
> You can pluck the best shots from Live Photos When Live Photos first 
> launched in 2015, they seemed clever but gimmicky. My brother-in-law 
> asked me back then, can Live Photo pick another shot to grab a moment 
> you thought you missed? It couldn't before, but it can now. Editing a 
> Live Photo now allows any of the shots to become the "primary photo."
> Missed your kid's smile? Maybe you didn't. It's now a time machine for 
> snapshots and a backup plan. I'm never turning it off after the iOS 11 
> upgrade. Added GIF-like loop effects and a nice long exposure trick 
> are great too, but nothing beats editable shots.
> 
> Pick your best shot.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> A one-page Control Center
> The iPhone's handy swipe-up panel sprawled into a weird multi-page 
> monster with iOS 10, but it fits on one pane in iOS 11. New features 
> are added, too, and shortcuts to key apps can be added or removed like 
> widgets. Nice adds are Notes, Voice Memo and a great Apple TV remote 
> tool built-in. I can keep my lost Apple TV remote wedged in the sofa 
> permanently. Still, it could have added even more. Control Center 
> doesn't use 3D Touch as much as I thought it would to deep-dive further in 
> settings. But, hey, it's progress.
> 
> Control Center has sub-sections, now.
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> Screen recording
> It's not going to be for everyone, but it's so easy to start recording 
> what you do on your iPhone, even add voice-over commentary and share as a 
> video.
> How-to videos and self-help sites are going to benefit tremendously. 
> Maybe I'd use this to show my mom how to adjust her phone settings the 
> next time she calls -- I could just email the video.
> Marking up (almost) anything
> The next time you want to share what you see on your iPhone (or iPad), 
> remember that screenshots (home plus the power button together) now 
> launch a markup tool that lets you scribble or highlight anything. 
> Well, almost anything... movies and protected videos ended up blacked 
> out (on iOS 10, that doesn't happen). Circle a weird comment, add a note with 
> your finger.
> Safari has a "markup as PDF" feature that does the same thing. It'll 
> be great for Twitter or Facebook. In a similar vein, PDFs are easy to 
> make and even add signatures to.
> A built-in scanner in Notes
> Apple's Notes app keeps getting serious upgrades, pushing it further 
> into Evernote country. Tables can be added in iOS 11, and there's also 
> a scanning tool to add receipts or other documents. It does a pretty 
> good job stretching and evening out off-angle scans, but it doesn't 
> convert into editable text.
> 
> One-handed keyboard!
> Sarah Tew/CNET
> Some other things to try:
> Siri sounds different and can translate Siri is supposed to be 
> somewhat smarter now. I didn't see a giant boost yet, but Siri 
> definitely sounds different. The "more 

RE: new features of iPhone next gen

[gary-melconian]

Actually this wrworks really well on android with android 7.1.2 it actually 
tell how far you are awa y as faras your face goes, how many ffaces and so on 
and os that you can takea picture if you really want being blind on android. I 
don’t know about I os but I know hat this can be done oon android version 7.1. 
and beyond.  

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Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: new features of iPhone next gen

I try th take a picture using my I phone and voice over says nothing about my 
face being in the frame.  So how does one do that if one points the phone at 
one's face as it's never worked for me.
> On 19 Jun 2017, at 20:52, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal, Voice Over already has aiming and focusing tips in the camera app 
> that use face detection.  Tells you for example “a face near the center of 
> the photo”.
> 
> The good thing about face detection and recognition is you need be much less 
> precise than with iris scanning.  With an iris or retina scan you have to 
> look at a dot and focus on it while not moving.  With facial recognition you 
> just need to be in the frame.  The better software out there can identify you 
> even at an off angle.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Scott and others.
>> 
>> How the hell is a blind person to use a phone if one has to use face 
>> recognition?  I for one have no sight, have never seen and can't even hold a 
>> phone steady or in the right position for a picture to do its work.  I've 
>> even tried Tap tap C to aim the phone at something and it aims at the wrong 
>> thing.  So you know what I'm getting at.  May be Apple will do something 
>> with Voice Over to make face recognition do something for a blind person.  
>> They normally work round these kinds of things but if they can't this time 
>> then that will be a first hey!
>>> On 19 Jun 2017, at 15:53, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Simon,
>>> 
>>> The new iPhone is projected to have some sort of facial recognition. 
>>> The retinal scanning it’s been my experience does not work for a blind 
>>> person.  I have tried to use this in data centers instead of palm prints or 
>>> facial recognition and the systems require the user to focus on a point.  
>>> If you can’t see and focus on the point you’re a no go.  Your mileage may 
>>> vary as I do not have retinas and irises to scan.  It’s more than just 
>>> pointing your eyeball at a screen though if that helps.
>>> 
>>> As for the S8 in general, you do not want th is phone it’s largely garbage. 
>>>  The finger print reader is right next to the camera so you smudge your 
>>> camera continuously, the phone has had issues with crashing, it’s under 
>>> powered using the Snap Dragon processors, and there’s a really bad 
>>> implementation of the virtual home button.  There are some interesting 
>>> cellular features but over all the phone is a miss in my opinion.  If you 
>>> want to go android and try it out go Pixel or Pixel xl, specifically wait 
>>> for fall and this years new releases of the Google Pixel line.
>>> 
>>> Hope that helps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jun 19, 2017, at 5:17 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 
 I thought I’d ask this question and see what people think,
 
 I was looking at the new Samsung Galaxy S8 today and must admit 
 it’s a bloody nicely designed device, However it’s an android device so it 
 will be a very big second choice if I’m to get a new phone.
 
 A couple of things I did note from it was a couple of security 
 features,
 
 Facial scanning recognition for unlocking your phone and also iris 
 scanning recognition for also security like unlocking your phone 
 etc,
 
 Now what I want to know is,
 Will iris scanning work for a blind person?
 
 This feature on the S8 has a depth related scanning so it can’t 
 seemingly be fooled with a photo, And in my case I still have my 
 own eyes although they don’t work one is white with I forget what, But I 
 wonder will this work for those of us with eyeballs?
 
 And more to the point will apple even look at these types of security 
 features in the next version of the iPhone?
 
 Discuss!
 
 Simon F
 
 
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RE: Epson ET2550 Multi Function Printer

[gary-melconian]

I own the eco tank from Epson and  its very accessible to the blind. It comes 
with 2 years of ink in the box an it’s a very fast all in one for the office. 
Thats what I use it for.   It works really well with both windows and mac . 
also can work with other ocr packages that  may be used on either pc or mac.  

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Hi all,
anybody know anything about the above printer? How blind friendly etc.
Thanks for any advice.
Max.

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RE: Blume Wifi

[gary-melconian]

After I did my gigabit upgrade from att . I got some eenterprise routers based 
of of lots of googling. Also will be interested in the plum set up as well.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 1:03 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Blume Wifi

 

Hey Scot,

 

Yeah, it's pretty cool.  We have the gigabyte option here, too, but we didn't 
get it for our rental house.  We're thinking about it for our permanent home, 
which we'll be moving into in July.  Good to know the limits of the Airport.  I 
was wondering what its cut-off point was.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 1:14 PM, Scott Granados  > wrote:

 

Ah I love being on a fiber network.  They just rolled out full gigabit where I 
live and I upgraded while cutting my bill in half.  I have so much on WiFi now 
that I really do need a distributed system.  Your airport is good up to about 
200 megabits.  If your service will be faster than that it’s time to update.

 

 

 

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:34 AM, Donna Goodin  > wrote:

 

Thanks for sharing this, Scott.  Now that I have the option of a fast fiber 
connection, I've been wondering if it's time to replace our airport extreme.  
this sounds like an interesting option.

Cheers,

Donna

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Scott Granados  > wrote:

 

Hi Simon,

 

The way it seems to work is you connect via 1 or 2 gigabit ports to your 
network.  Either by placing the master unit in router mode and having it handle 
the whole internet connection or in bridge mode where it provides the access 
point function but you provide your own routing hardware.  (This will be my 
config). Once connected you start an app on your phone (iPhone in my case but 
both platforms are supported) and you configure the first plume device.  Then 
you power up and add each new device to the mesh.  You don’t run physical wires 
to anything but the controller or master access point.  The rest use backhaul 
channels to build the mesh.  Once you’ve added all the access points you want, 
you get a box of 6 for $320 US, they connect to a cloud application where the 
mesh starts to optimize itself.  The meshes can either direct connect back to 
the control access point and or hop from one to another if that’s more optimal. 
 The cloud software and access points will steer the clients to the best 
frequency and access point based on it’s location with in the mesh.  IF 2.4 ghz 
suddenly becomes more speedy you’ll drop to 2.4 and then be steered back up to 
5 ghz if that returns to normal.  Also uses tactics to isolate you from your 
neighbors and so forth.  Cool stuff.  Google is also working in this space as 
is Netgear and Niro.  Plume seems to rate the highest and perform the best in 
testing from the reviews I’ve read though.

 

Cool stuff.  Mesh WiFi was usually the stuff of big enterprises, nice to have 
it in the home now.

 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:34 AM, Simon Fogarty  > wrote:

 

Hi Scott,

 

When You test drive these blume wifi devices I’m interested to know how they go

 

They sound bloody interesting 

 

I’m wondering though how you get them connected to your network.

 

Cheers,

 

 

Simon f

 

 

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RE: iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location - CNET

[gary-melconian]

Mary, good luck, youknow by now all code has bugs no matter how clean and great 
ther is always bugs introduced there is no way around that one.  

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Wonderful. Hopefully they won't introduce new nasty bugs, because this feature 
would really be welcome.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 1:30 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> iOS 11 will stop apps like Uber from constantly tracking your location 
> - CNET When iOS 11 is available later this year, users will have the 
> option to customize how each app uses his or her location - regardless 
> of the options a developer provides.
> Prior to iOS 11, users could only use one of the location access 
> options provided by developers. That meant, for an app like Uber, you 
> were limited to two options. If a developer didn't want to include the 
> option for use only while you are using the app, you were stuck with Never or 
> Always.
> iOS 11 now offers both privacy options for any app requesting your location.
> Huge win over apps like Uber "needing" it all the time.
> pic.twitter.com/mZke8InSVD
> - Lance Somoza (@SyrinxStarman) June 6, 2017 As the above screenshot 
> shows, iOS 11 users are finally given full control over when an app 
> can access location data. Naturally, most users will only want that to 
> be when he or she is, you know, actually using the app.
> To control each individual app, users will need to go to Settings > 
> Privacy
>> Location Services to adjust individual app settings or as shown in 
>> the
> screenshot, iOS 11 will prompt users.
> As is always the case with Apple betas, the company sometimes removes 
> or changes features before final release. We will update this post as 
> the beta process progresses.
> Apple confirmed to CNET that this is indeed a feature of iOS 11. 
> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/how-to-stop-apps-from-constantly-tracking-
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Plus 1 to that post of your scott.  

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Well, first, I sincerely hope you’re still around.  I’m pulling for you.

I get this approach from Apple and will give it a shot.  I’m not going to 
completely discount something I haven’t tried.  Just call me skeptical but 
willing to try.  Sonos sounds very good, the Google home sounds very good for 
it’s size and regardless I don’t feel spied on.  I use google services a lot 
and have done contract work for the company in years passed and feel 
comfortable trading some data for the use of their services.  Are they perfect, 
no but I’m not prepared to go as far as you Mary on that one.  TO each their 
own.  I’m very down for good audio though so hopefully Apple will win me over.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> You know, Apple is not marketing this as a Google or Amazon competitor. I've 
> seen a couple of articles that I thought made very good points, which is that 
> there really marketing it towards the audio Lovers. Admittedly  quick reviews 
> have been very impressed with the audio as compared to comparable Sonos 
> speakers. The media made a mistake when they assumed it was going to be a 
> "Siri speaker. It is an audio system with Siri which is different from echo 
> Alexa, which doesn't sound that great or Google home, which ones wants to 
> collect all your data and has a superior assistant but is not in the same 
> league as the home pod for audio in terms of the speaker   Assistant at the 
> expense of your privacy. Mark. The other stuff is nice, and might be useful. 
> But this is going after people who might otherwise paisanos. I for one if 
> this works will buy it if I'm still around. So this is too expensive 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 1:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
>> alexa in the home .  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
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>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
>> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose 
>> these are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 
>> times the cost of the Google Home.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we 
>>> couldn't switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple 
>>> suggests, why not switch?
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Donna,
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>>> works and works well.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can 
>>>> move our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple 
>>>> ones inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>>> Donna
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos 
>>>>> and the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me 
>>>>> to purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job 
>>>>> the home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>>> Strømberg
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>>&g

RE: Accessible Password Manager

[gary-melconian]

Have you use 1 pas manaer.  

 

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On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
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Subject: Accessible Password Manager

 

Hello,

 

I am looking for an accessible password manager. In the past, I have been a 
last pass user, however I cannot figure out how to fill passwords in with the 
Lastpass safari extension... I can get into the context menu and find last pass 
as an option, however attempting to activate it achieves no results. So, do you 
have a preferred password manager? I would use auto-fill in Safari, however I 
do not get the option to save some websites, and often times passwords are not 
filled... this especially happens with the new login page that gmail is using, 
but I have been able to reproduce that on other sites as well. This happens 
with the latest release of Mac OS,.

 

Thanks for any suggestions as to a workable password manager.

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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

So waiting for you  to get one to review . once I know hat they pas your revie 
test I will get them. but for now I am thining what will be the difference 
between the erro an the plu ones. that will be something I will be looking out 
on the wire cutter which does the best reviws on this sort of stuff.  

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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
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Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Hi Gary, so I’m going to grab the plume system that our friends Mary from this 
list and the Android list and Warren pointed out.  They look very good.  In 
your case this is probably perfect.  Put them in bridge mode, attach to your 
existing router, configure with the android or iPhone app and place one in each 
unit and around your property.  This way your tenants will connect to their own 
AP.
Ubiquiti is decent stuff and very very reasonably priced.
I have never bought one of the really cheap routers but the Link I had 
was maybe $150 or so and is still kicking after 13 years.  As long as you make 
it through the burn in period these things should last and last and last.

I have some unix boxes on my network here at work that have 10 year or more 
uptime and these have rotating disks.  (And sadly were never patched so I’m 
decommissioning them but the point is gear should last a long time.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:27 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting 
> the fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear 
> out over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a 
> good quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it 
> works. I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an 
> they have  been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I 
> always update the firmware in them which is  running open source router 
> firmware inside of it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for 
> the hosue as well. what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do 
> a good job as far as getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house 
> which is broken up into 4 units.  
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

You got me convinced to get a few for my new house.  

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:41 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
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I know they made some hiring moves and brought in some heavy hitters from CMU.

Apple has the money to catch up and throw at the problem so I’m sure they will 
but Google also has the money to keep the screws to Apple as well.  I’m just 
very impressed with the Google assistant and google home.  That’s me though.

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:30 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and 
> alexa in the home .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
> part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
> are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
> cost of the Google Home.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
>> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
>> why not switch?
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>>> works and works well.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>>> Donna
>>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>>> Strømberg
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>>> To: Mac Group <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg <terjestrmb...@gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>>> 
>>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better 
>>>> sound than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. 
>>>> Should be able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the 
>>>> borring name again?
>>>> 
>>>> Take care
>>>> 
>>>>> 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com>:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scott,
>>>>> I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
>>>>> longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>>>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
>>>>> world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
>>>>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>>>>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>>>>> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
>>>>>> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The apps a

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Ok, thanks for hat one.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:38 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The reviews say the plume is the best unit and it’s $320 for 6.  They are made 
in your home state as well in San Jose I believe.

Google plume WiFi and see what you find.  I’ve seen comparisons of the Netgear, 
Google and Plume systems and the plume wins on speed, reliability and 
performance.  Cost is also very reasonable for 6 units instead of 3 and they 
support both 2.4 and 5 ghz.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:29 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
> and would they do a better job then a regular router .  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops
> 
> The two have nothing to do with each other.
> 
> The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
> whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues 
> if we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What 
> might be most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use 
> now.  Sure it may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks 
> that’s not a bad thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a 
> new one and be in the same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with 
> some exceptions but the cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  
> attached. And $34 isn’t exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost 
> of the low end router you found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect 
> world do both.  Then she’ll have a better router and the propagation issues 
> will probably be solved at the same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router 
> the next time as long as you use the same connectors you can reuse the 
> antennas and not need to buy new.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
>> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
>> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 
>> 2 to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my 
>> brother about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. 
>> Or at least that's what he founded for.
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>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that 
>>> provide 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from 
>>> amazon and they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have 
>>>> to be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live 
>>>> there. Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would 
>>>> be helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> 
>>>> Email
>>>> jhud7...@gma

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Scott they ar ttrying to get dum siri to catch up to google assistant and alexa 
in the home .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I’m not convinced about this home pod.  The fact they are banking on Siri as 
part of it disturbs me unless it has a quantum leap forward.  I suppose these 
are cheaper than Sonos but I just don’t know.  That’s more than 3 times the 
cost of the Google Home.
 

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 9:54 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Because right now, we're not that heavily invested in Sonos that we couldn't 
> switch.  If the HomePods sound better, and have more AI as Apple suggests, 
> why not switch?
> Donna
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 4:11 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> Yeah I am wondering but why not just use sonos for everything, you know it 
>> works and works well.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
>> Sent: Thursday, 8 June 2017 12:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>> 
>> I have to admit, I'm intrigued by the Apple speakers.  I figure we can move 
>> our two Sonos Play One speakers out to the deck and use the Apple ones 
>> inside.  Looking forward to hearing what they sound like.
>> Donna
>>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:20 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I can't say I've ever had issues with sound quality on my sonos and 
>>> the home pods will have to be pretty loody hot sounding for me to 
>>> purchase one or even two as my sonos speakers ldo the exact job the 
>>> home pods do and all from my phone.-Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje 
>>> Strømberg
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 7 June 2017 4:03 AM
>>> To: Mac Group 
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>> 
>>> iPad Pro is interesting and i probably get one. iMac Pro looks like high 
>>> end if it runs reasonable quiet and cool. The speaker may have better sound 
>>> than Sonos. Did not say anything about speaker phone function. Should be 
>>> able to route the phone audio to the speaker. What is the borring name 
>>> again?
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
 6. jun. 2017 kl. 17.47 skrev E.T. :
 
 Scott,
 I see. A friend lost his 3rd to a scumbag and at that time the 3rd was no 
 longer available so he got a 4th. He is happy with it.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the 
 world, all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn 
 your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
 E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
 On 6/6/2017 8:41 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So the accessibility sucks on the Apple TV 4th gen.  I myself prefer the 
> 3rd get from the perspective of a. user.
> 
> The apps are hit and miss when it comes to accessibility.  The Amazon 
> fire TV is less expensive, more powerful in terms of graphics and 
> processor and in my opinion the accessibility is more consistent.
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 11:38 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott,
>> Perhaps our viewing habits are different. Might bve I do not know 
>> what I am missing but the ATV 3rd works just fine for me. One 
>> reason I want a 4fh is to add apps not available on the 3rd. Got a 4th?
>> Send it to me. (smiles)
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>> "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the 
>> world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn 
>> your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>> On 6/6/2017 8:29 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> The Apple TV isn’t that great.  The amazon fire TV is a better unit in 
>>> my opinion.
>>> 
 On Jun 5, 2017, at 6:31 PM, E.T.  wrote:
 
 A single keyboard that has all of the characters, no more switching to 
 get numbers or punctuation.
 
 Some other changes, one of which may be good is a Files app probably 
 like Finder. Also a document scan function.
 
 iPhone 5 and 5c will be left behind as well as iPad 4th and older. I 
 still have an iPad mini 2nd but would rather get an Apple TV 4th if I 
 had the bucks.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

What  about mesh routers like the erro which maybe about 300 for a pair of 3 
and would they do a better job then a regular router .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:25 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

The two have nothing to do with each other.

The included antennas with routers only provide on average 3DB of gain.  So 
whether she gets a new one or an old one it’s going to have the same issues if 
we’re dealing with a propagation or building materials problem.  What might be 
most helpful is if she or you posts what kind of router is in use now.  Sure it 
may be worth replacing but if the poster can save a few bucks that’s not a bad 
thing.  Also, you very well may replace the router with a new one and be in the 
same boat.  Stock antennas are pretty much garbage with some exceptions but the 
cheaper the router the less quality antennas are  attached. And $34 isn’t 
exactly a bunch of money, just about a 3rd the cost of the low end router you 
found for $100.  So what would I do, in a perfect world do both.  Then she’ll 
have a better router and the propagation issues will probably be solved at the 
same time.  Also, when you upgrade the router the next time as long as you use 
the same connectors you can reuse the antennas and not need to buy new.

Hope that helps.


> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
> 
> Scott, what would you rather do, go spend a bunch of money on antennas, that 
> are possibly going need to be replacing over and over again? Or would you 
> rather go buy you a new router that's a lot faster, and okay for itself and 2 
> to 3 months depending on how much it is. I'll just point this out, my brother 
> about a year ago, but our wireless router from Amazon for 100 bucks. Or at 
> least that's what he founded for.
>   Joseph Hudson
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 2:12 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
>> 
>> Or, you could spend a lot lot less money and upgrade the antennas if your 
>> router supports it.  I just bought 4 superpower supply antennas that provide 
>> 4 times the gain than the ones included.  Cost all of $34 US from amazon and 
>> they have the SMA connectors already as part of the units.
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Hudson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Helga, I think we've talked about this before and I think we came to 
>>> the conclusion that you need to upgrade to a different wireless router. I 
>>> would be glad to discuss with your father and you about new routers if 
>>> necessary. It Is replacing the Internet router would probably be something 
>>> that your parents would have to do seems house as to where you live is 
>>> where your parents are. And they pay for your Internet. So it would have to 
>>> be something that they would have to do. Seems how you still live there. 
>>> Sorry for posting such a off-topic post, but I figured this would be 
>>> helpful information for the people that have already tried to possibly 
>>> assist her as I'm still catching up on messages.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> 
>>> Email
>>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>>> I device support
>>> Telephone
>>> 2543007667
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> facebook
>>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>>> Twitter
>>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>>> 
>>> FaceTime/iMessage
>>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>>> 
 On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:36 AM, Helga Schreiber  
 wrote:
 
 Hi all! How are you all? So by reading your message Scott, the  new Mac 
 with touch bar is not great at all! Well guys, I was thinking in getting a 
 new Macbook computer. I need a Mac computer with a great processor guys! 
 My MacBook Air is great,but  for some reason I'm having issues with wiFi 
 at my room, but when I'm out of my room not issues at all. And also my 
 MacBook Air does not have insurance.   So I was thinking in getting a 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches with 16 gigs ram. I heard for someone that the 2015 
 MacBook Pro 13 inches has a processor of 2.7, and it differs with the 2016 
 MacBook Pro  13 inches, that only has a 2.1 processor. Is this information 
 true? My  MacBook Air 11 inches is a 2015 model. So I was planning to 
 purchasing on December  a 2015 MacBook Pro 13 inches without touchbar 
 since I'm not goign to be use to the touch bar at all! I use USV  a lot 
 for accessing info for school,   and I'm not willing to buy adaptors for 
 it. I look forward in hearing from you 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Scott, I have heard this  in the  tech shows   as well. they are promoting the 
fac that these routers use cheap Chinese parts an that’s  why they wear out 
over a 2 to 3 year time frame which I find hard to believe.if you get a good 
quality router it should last a good 5 to 10 years no matter how hard it works. 
I have both ubiquity  enterprise routers in my office in my house an they have  
been going for a good 5 years now and no issues  what so ever. I always update 
the firmware in them which is  running open source router firmware inside of 
it.   also thining about getting he erro mesh routers for the hosue as well. 
what do you think about mesh rotuers now a days do they do a good job as far as 
getting ehose dead spots in a 3000  square foot house which is broken up into 4 
units.  

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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Any news on apple watch  OS  as far as any hints to what tim cook  is wearing 
as far as cgm and that sort of stuff goes. I am a type 2 diabetic and  rely on 
the  dexcom cgm and I was hoping for better advancements in this area with a 
watch sort of device that apple could come up to give the 21 million diabetics  
in the world a reason to get an apple watch. I am still interested to se if 
anything will be talked about that in the future.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:51 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I still think the sonos speaker range is far ahead of the apple home pod 
speaker,

 But I do like the previous question of will it have the 3.5mm headphone jack 
or lightening connector for headphones,

 I think it will be more the Bluetooth for the earpods


But they are going to have to be bloody impressive for me to buy 1 let alone 2 
although  I'm not sure we get them this year or next -Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 9:19 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a stereo pair, 
if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act together with Siri. It's 
clearly way behind google at this point. The idea that this new speaker will be 
smart enough to know where it is in a room and adjust its output accordingly is 
interesting. I am not the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The 
price is absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not 
getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for the iPad in 
iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be curious to see how it all 
works with voiceover. I was excited about the announcement of a new Bluetooth 
keyboard and that includes the number pad, only to be disappointed when I 
realized it has the same awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that 
Apple has been producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the 
keys. No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works 
well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious typing 
in the world.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
> 
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but 
> the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 
> 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted 
> the device starts a
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Hat will the cost for these device be. Is the question.  If its going ot be 
laptop prices Ii would much rather geta laptop and call it a day as I could do 
more with my laptop tthen I could do with the I pad pro.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Simon Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:03 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Also interesting that the  iPad Pro 10 will come out with 256 & 512 MB storage 
models  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:00 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Ah, I found the list of devices in regards to iOS 11.

Not Supported:
iPhone 5
iPhone 5c
iPad 3
iPad 4

Supported:
iPhone 7
iPhone 7 Plus
iPhone 6s
iPhone 6s Plus
iPhone 6
iPhone 6 Plus
iPhone SE
iPhone 5s
6th generation iPod Touch

iPad:
New 9.7-inch iPad
12.9-inch iPad Pro
9.7-inch iPad Pro
iPad Air 2
iPad Air
iPad mini 4
iPad mini 3
iPad mini 2
iPad 5

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 4:00 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> The 5S will be eligible, amazingly. My old iPad mini 2 is apparently eligible 
> as well. So that's four years of use from a 5S or a mini too. Not too bad.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:27 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 
>> getting I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as 
>> well. just wondering.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:22 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
>>
>>I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>>> On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>>
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
>>> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
>>> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device 
>>> starts a
>>>
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Mary, you are correct apple is playing catch up witheh home automation systems. 
Like gogole and amazon havea leg up on apple and apple is playing catc up. 
There are smething I like about apple and ther are something I don’t and so 
lets just leav it at  that .  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:59 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I think the BMW Zepplin ran around six or seven. And that was just an airplay 
speaker with no smart at all. So this really isn't out of line if the sound is 
what it needs to be to play in that game, and if they have done something with 
Siri, which is pretty lousy. They bragged about the very tight integration with 
Apple Music, which is all very well and good, but there are so many gaps that 
Siri has I hope they're not counting on just that one thing to impress people.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:25 PM, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Totally agree with you. that’s  nott that  bad. I have a  5.1 sound system 
> that  cost more than those $700 book shelfs. They are about $3500 .   also 
> have a Samsung oled which I paid about $6500 back in the day.  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:16 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?
> 
> Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell 
> of a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all 
> that great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular 
> stereo system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo 
> pair of bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and 
> bookshelf speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these 
> are in that class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from 
> something like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but 
> isn't all that special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in 
> my opinion, a pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa 
> app, plus you have to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could 
> do something good. But will they?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both 
>> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod 
>> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more 
>> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro 
>> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if 
>> I had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those 
>> babies and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I 
>> am not a fan of the new keyboards.
>> 
>>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. 
>>> The idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it 
>>> is in a room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am 
>>> not the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is 
>>> absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini 
>>> not getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff 
>>> for the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be 
>>> curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was excited about 
>>> the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the 
>>> number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys.
>>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really 
>>> works well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the 
>>> serious typing in the world.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
>>>> <scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So what does everyo

RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

What I phone do you have. Will there bbe issues with an I phone 6 or 7 getting 
I os 11. What about an ipod or I pad that is a year or 2 old as well. just 
wondering.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:22 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

I will definitely get a new iPhone before September so I can run iOS 11.

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   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
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E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 1:38 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>
> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf but the 
> new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 cores and 128 GB of 
> RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty hot.  Granted the device starts 
> a
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RE: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

[gary-melconian]

Totally agree with you. that’s  nott that  bad. I have a  5.1 sound system that 
 cost more than those $700 book shelfs. They are about $3500 .   also have a 
Samsung oled which I paid about $6500 back in the day.  

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:16 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: So what do we think of the WWDC new hardware?

Well, to be interesting, this speaker is going to have to sound a whole hell of 
a lot better than anything Amazon has produced. That doesn't sound all that 
great. I'm looking at this as a sort of a replacement for a regular stereo 
system in a room that's not too large. $700 were really nice stereo pair of 
bookshelf speakers isn't all that awful. Think about the higher and bookshelf 
speakers like BMW. Or other high-end makers of speakers. If these are in that 
class, then that's a whole different thing than what you get from something 
like the echo, which sells for about half the price I guess, but isn't all that 
special. It's also not all that smart, and the skills are, in my opinion, a 
pain in the butt, because they are very reliant on the Alexa app, plus you have 
to actually find them. It's not intuitive. So Apple could do something good. 
But will they?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 2:50 PM, lenron brown  wrote:
> 
> I am not impressed with this speaker. Google home and echo are both 
> already pretty nice and they are going for being smart. The Home pod 
> seems to be geared towards music. Oh did I forget it's priced more 
> than I am willing to pay. $350 wow really apple. Now the new mac Pro 
> seems to be pretty powerful. I don't need anything that pricy but if I 
> had the cash I would maybe consider. Duel booting one of those babies 
> and calling it a day. Sad times about the keyboard though. I am not a 
> fan of the new keyboards.
> 
>> On 6/5/17, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> I think the new home speaker could be interesting, especially as a 
>> stereo pair, if the sound is really good, and if Apple gets his act 
>> together with Siri. It's clearly way behind google at this point. The 
>> idea that this new speaker will be smart enough to know where it is 
>> in a room and adjust its output accordingly is interesting. I am not 
>> the least bit interested in the Mac pro, iMac Pro. The price is 
>> absurd for anything I would want. I'm disappointed about the mini not 
>> getting refreshed, but not surprised. And I think the new stuff for 
>> the iPad in iOS 11 has really good potential, although I will be 
>> curious to see how it all works with voiceover. I was excited about 
>> the announcement of a new Bluetooth keyboard and that includes the 
>> number pad, only to be disappointed when I realized it has the same 
>> awful feel as all of the new notebook keyboards that Apple has been 
>> producing. No key travel to speak up and no spacing between the keys. 
>> No thank you. Why oh why can't they make a keyboard that really works 
>> well for touch typist? That is after all, who does most of the serious 
>> typing in the world.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Scott Granados 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So what does everyone think of the announcements.
>>> 
>>> Personally, I’m going to leave the home speaker on the store shelf 
>>> but the new iMac Pro is calling my name.  Being able to have 18 
>>> cores and 128 GB of RAM as well s 16 GB of video memory is pretty 
>>> hot.  Granted the device starts a
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RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thisis myt approach 3 2 1 backup. That mean 3 version  of  anything , 2 
different sources  that being external drive, ddvd, or usb key, one  backup 
storage in the cloud. That backup approach has been thought to me by pros in 
the photo industry who follow this approach.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 11:28 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Chris,
I am not a speed demon. I plan tasks so I can walk away and do some fun 
things like watching tv or sleeping. Been times I knew a task might take hours 
so I do those at night.

I had a WD drive go south and it had data not stored elsewhere. So I am now 
a believer in redundancy. This is why I am more concerned about the reliability 
factor.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/5/2017 11:12 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
> Seems like an external SSD would slow things down to whatever the 
> limit is on your USB. USB 2.0 real-world throughput usually peaks at 
> about 30MB/s or so. If you don't have to have the speed, such as for 
> backups or archvies, spinning disks are a lot cheaper per GB. USB 3.0 
> seems to peak at around 200MB/s. The internal SSD on a MacBook can hit 
> around 1900MBs read speeds. The 1TB spinning disk external USB 3 drive 
> on my Mac Mini seems to peak at about 60MB/s but I just use it for 
> archiving old files that I might need someday to save space on the internal 
> fast SSD.
>
> CB
>
> On 6/5/17 11:35 AM, E.T. wrote:
>> Chris,
>>I replaced the spinning drive with an SSD, much faster. I put the 
>> old drive into an OWC USB enclosure, and may use it as a backup.
>>
>>Currently I use some WD My Passport externals for backups, keeping 
>> Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner on separate drives. As funds come 
>> in, I may look at using external SSD drives. Do you reckon that an 
>> SSD is more reliable that I could use one large drive and partition it?
>>
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>>   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>>   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>>   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>>   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
>> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>
>> On 6/4/2017 8:27 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>>> To figure out exactly which drive fits which computer they have an 
>>> online upgrade matching page here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/upgrades/
>>>
>>> So they would need your exact model identifier, such as MacBookPro 
>>> 12,1, in About This Mac then System Report. The one I was citing is here:
>>>
>>> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/Y3SSD6E960/
>>>
>>> It replaces the 2.5" spinning disk drive with an SSD of a similar shape.
>>>
>>> CB
>>>
>>> On 6/4/17 11:16 PM, lenron brown wrote:
>>>> Is this the drive for the 2015 and 2014 MBP, and would you happen 
>>>> to have a link to it? 1 tb for 380 is not so bad considering the 
>>>> fact that this drive on some places is close to $900.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/4/17, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>> My wife upgraded her MacBook from a 500GB regular drive to a 1TB 
>>>>> SSD. I got the Other World Computing bundle which included the 
>>>>> special screwdrivers to take her laptop apart, a USB external 
>>>>> drive case to put her old drive in and the new 1TB SSD. That kit 
>>>>> is currently $389. I probably could have found the raw drive and 
>>>>> such cheaper elsewhere but I knew the OWC set would work.
>>>>>
>>>>> CB
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/4/17 5:34 PM, gary-melconian wrote:
>>>>>> Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just 
>>>>>> upgrade  a machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the 
>>>>>> brand nname ones. I picked it up off of amazon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of lenron 
>>>>>> brown
>>>>>> Sent: Su

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Thasts one place I regulary go for ssd fro even windows pc as well. also like 
Kingstoneas well.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 6:58 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

Lenron, check out crucial.com  , they have drives for less 
money than that.  Not sure if that included installation but I was able to do 
the installation with out sited assistance.  I do have more experience than 
your average user but I didn’t find it hard and bet you could do it your self 
in house.

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 3:10 PM, lenron brown  > wrote:

 

Yeah it is pretty cool to see ya





ll here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't a few
months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a laptop. A
quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall







On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is fed
240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or does the
magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple watch
which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money to get the
Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if the third Gen is
better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch bar on
it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't have the Mac
Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as both have the Mac
Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be getting rid of their
Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will purchase another Apple
computer as both my computers are going strong and as long as I can
run the latest software on them then it's just fine for me.  However,
one of these days we won't be able to run the latest software so then
it will be time to buy another IMac and MacMini as I love both set
ups!  When ever I do that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram
because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados  >
wrote:

I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a
pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest
model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor now for
several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s something I
thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  Reasons are as
follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical
keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also
fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri
when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does
on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my
previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses
USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports
on all the phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a
slight size difference so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the
wrong port.  All your included cables with your devices are USB 3.0
the older standard and don’t fit in the USB-C port, you can get
adapters but they aren’t included.
While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM
jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Yes. Loving those returns from them.  

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 7:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

 

I can back up the crucial suggestion.  I use their gear and love it, very fast 
drives and Gary being a stock trader knows how well Mikron has been doing both 
on a product level and investment level.  Crucial.com <http://Crucial.com>  is 
Mikron as I understand it and I love their memory products from soup to nuts.

 

 

 

On Jun 4, 2017, at 6:54 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> > wrote:

 


<http://www.crucial.com/usa/en?cm_re=top-nav-_-flyout-store-_-us-store>

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
 "God for you is where you sweep away all the
 mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
 our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
 and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> 

On 6/4/2017 3:45 PM, gary-melconian wrote:



What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

   I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
  "God for you is where you sweep away all the
  mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
  and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> 

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:



Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer
can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to
another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me
almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even
include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I
could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the
price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc
though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net <mailto:n0...@charter.net> > wrote:



The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it
wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.



On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
<mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > wrote:

I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a
laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.

--
Alex Hall







On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk 
<mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk> > wrote:

Hello,

That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It
is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped
externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

Regards,

Gena




On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> > wrote:

My MacMini is a 2014 model.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce <g...@gena-j.me.uk 
<mailto:g...@gena-j.me.uk> > wrote:

Hello,

What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?

Regards,

Gena



On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com 
<mailto:kgli...@icloud.com> > wrote:

Hi Scott.

A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I
convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.

After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple
watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money
to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if
the third Gen is better than the second Gen.

Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch
bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't
have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as
both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be
getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will
purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going
strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then
it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be
able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy
another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do
that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!

Kawal.



On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados
<sc

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

What brand I am interested in replacing the 128GB ssd in my  old pc at home . 
If yu can give me that and the place where you got  it  from I would truly 
appreciate it .  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 2:42 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

I Installed a 1tb SSD drive for $250 late last year.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 6/4/2017 12:10 PM, lenron brown wrote:
> Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer 
> can last because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to 
> another. I mean it's bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me 
> almost 300 for a 256 or 500 dollars for the 512. That doesn't even 
> include if I have to get someone else to do it. I mean I am sure I 
> could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is pretty much the 
> price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from wwdc 
> though.
>
> On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it 
>> wasn't a few months ago when I got a new one.
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alex Hall
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:

 Hello,

 That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It 
 is fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped 
 externally. Or does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?

 As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.

 Regards,

 Gena

> On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>
> My MacMini is a 2014 model.
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Gena
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Scott.
>>>
>>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>>
>>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>>
>>> Kawal.
 On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
 
 wrote:

 I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give 
 someone a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using 
 a 2016 latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print 
 censor now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  
 That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
 Reasons are as follows.
The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
 physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers 
 Siri and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also 
 end up starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
 does on the Mac proper.
The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all 
 my previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable 
 now uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The 
 lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just 
 like USB-C 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Where are you getting that  price tag  for ssd drives . I just upgrade  a 
machine with a ssd 512 for $200 .it was one of the brand nname ones. I picked 
it up off of amazon.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of lenron brown
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 12:11 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

Yeah it is pretty cool to see yall here as well. I hope this computer can last 
because there is no way I want or can really upgrade to another. I mean it's 
bad enough upgrading a ssd is going to cost me almost 300 for a 256 or 500 
dollars for the 512. That doesn't even include if I have to get someone else to 
do it. I mean I am sure I could get it done for nothing but that upgrade is 
pretty much the price for building a computer. Hope to see some nice stuff from 
wwdc though.

On 6/4/17, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> The mac mini uses a regular plug, it's not magsafe, at least it wasn't 
> a few months ago when I got a new one.
>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 7:21 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused. When did the Mini get MagSafe? It's a tower, not a 
>> laptop. A quick search shows no MagSafe-equipped Mini models.
>>
>> --
>> Alex Hall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2017, at 06:59, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> That’s interesting. My 2012 model has a figure of 8 lead. i.e. It is 
>>> fed 240V whereas, I’m guessing the voltage is dropped externally. Or 
>>> does the magsafe deliver mains voltage?
>>>
>>> As you suggest the Mini is a great little machine.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Gena
>>>
 On 4 Jun 2017, at 11:43, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

 My MacMini is a 2014 model.
> On 3 Jun 2017, at 23:30, Georgina Joyce  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> What year Mac Mini has a magsafe power connection?
>
> Regards,
>
> Gena
>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 18:25, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott.
>>
>> A few months ago I went to the Apple store with my father as I 
>> convinced him to purchase the 7 Plus I phone which he did.
>>
>> After that was done, I went to look at the most expensive Apple 
>> watch which i liked but wasn't going to spend that kind of money 
>> to get the Apple watch but may get an apple watch next time if 
>> the third Gen is better than the second Gen.
>>
>> Anyway, I went to have a look at the Macbook Air with the touch 
>> bar on it.  I thought it was a bit crap as I knew it wouldn't 
>> have the Mac Safe plug on it.  I love my I Mac and MacMini as 
>> both have the Mac Safe plug.  I hate it that Apple seem to be 
>> getting rid of their Macsafe stuff.  I don't know when I will 
>> purchase another Apple computer as both my computers are going 
>> strong and as long as I can run the latest software on them then 
>> it's just fine for me.  However, one of these days we won't be 
>> able to run the latest software so then it will be time to buy 
>> another IMac and MacMini as I love both set ups!  When ever I do 
>> that, I'll max out the memory and Gig of ram because I will be able to!
>>
>> Kawal.
>>> On 3 Jun 2017, at 12:35, Scott Granados 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone 
>>> a pass where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 
>>> latest model laptop with the touch bar and finger print censor 
>>> now for several weeks and I need to say, I hate it.  That’s 
>>> something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact is I do.  
>>> Reasons are as follows.
>>> The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of 
>>> physical keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri 
>>> and also fires when you touch the keys below.  You also end up 
>>> starting Siri when you want to start or stop voice over.
>>> The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it 
>>> does on the Mac proper.
>>> The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now 
>>> uses USB-C instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The 
>>> lightning ports on all the phones and other devices feel just 
>>> like USB-C with a slight size difference so I’m for ever using 
>>> the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included cables 
>>> with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit 
>>> in the USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>> While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 
>>> 3.5 MM jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so 
>>> you 

RE: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

[gary-melconian]

Scott your not the only one. I know ofa few sighted folks who hadte that touch 
ba tha tapple came up . why can they just put touch on their mach laptops. Not 
that hard to do.  

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 7:58 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via 
Subject: Re: I'm really growing to hate this years crop of laptops

ET, thanks for the pointer I’ll grab that adapter.

As I mentioned, my problems with the touch bar are likely of my own creation.

> On Jun 3, 2017, at 12:22 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Scott,
>   A different perspective most likely if this 2016 Mac was your first 
> experience. Advancement is not pain free. Griffin makes a USB-C to Magsafe 
> adapter.
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>  "God for you is where you sweep away all the  mysteries of the world, 
> all the challenges to  our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off  
> and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 6/3/2017 4:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> I hate to say this about apple but I’m not going to give someone a pass 
>> where it’s not deserved either.  I’ve been using a 2016 latest model laptop 
>> with the touch bar and finger print censor now for several weeks and I need 
>> to say, I hate it.  That’s something I thought I wouldn’t say but the fact 
>> is I do.  Reasons are as follows.
>>  The touch bar triggers when your fingers are on the row of physical 
>> keys below.  The finger print censor also triggers Siri and also fires when 
>> you touch the keys below.  You also end up starting Siri when you want to 
>> start or stop voice over.
>>  The light bar doesn’t work the same in virtual machines as it does on 
>> the Mac proper.
>>  The ports are a joke.  Everything is USB-C which renders all my 
>> previous adapters and connectors useless.  The power cable now uses USB-C 
>> instead of mag safe (which I like better).  The lightning ports on all the 
>> phones and other devices feel just like USB-C with a slight size difference 
>> so I’m for ever using the wrong cable on the wrong port.  All your included 
>> cables with your devices are USB 3.0 the older standard and don’t fit in the 
>> USB-C port, you can get adapters but they aren’t included.
>>  While I like the lightning port for headphones now instead of 3.5 MM 
>> jack, the new laptop doesn’t include a lightning port so you have to use 
>> different headphones.
>>  The things I do like are the battery life is very good, it’s very fast 
>> and the new processors do very well running virtual images.  But it’s just 
>> not fun to use.  My mid 2015 model is so much more enjoyable to type on and 
>> all my cables work.  Apple your laptops this year are a miss in my opinion.  
>> I won’t go back to windows but I bet I could be convinced to try chrome 
>> books or something else.
>> 
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