Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

I may have solved my braille display not tracking the focus problem under Mac 
OS. I turned on the “show alert messages for duration” options under the 
Braille preferences in VoiceOver, then set a reasonable time limit.

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 15:38, Scott Berry  wrote:
> 
> I didn’t realize the Baum was in bank raptly.  Wow!
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2018, at 1:22 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I took a quick gander at that article you sent along.  What you need to
>>> ensure is that you have the latest firmware it’s kind of quirky in the old
>>> firmware they say.  If your using 1.40 then you should have better success.
>>> Also you need to ensure your connected to the appropriate channel to make
>>> this happen.  So you need to press s2 which should be on the left side and
>>> then the number of the channel that the IOS is associated with.  Does this
>>> help at all?
>>> 
>> 
>> It would help if I had a Baum VarioUltra, but mine is a much older SuperVario
>> 40. I'm considering entering the market for a new display - one that offers a
>> braille keyboard, but I haven't decided what to buy yet. VarioUltra is not
>> currently an option, as the company is in bankruptcy protection.
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

I didn’t realize the Baum was in bank raptly.  Wow!

 

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 1:22 PM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Scott Berry  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I took a quick gander at that article you sent along.  What you need to
>> ensure is that you have the latest firmware it’s kind of quirky in the old
>> firmware they say.  If your using 1.40 then you should have better success.
>> Also you need to ensure your connected to the appropriate channel to make
>> this happen.  So you need to press s2 which should be on the left side and
>> then the number of the channel that the IOS is associated with.  Does this
>> help at all?
>> 
> 
> It would help if I had a Baum VarioUltra, but mine is a much older SuperVario
> 40. I'm considering entering the market for a new display - one that offers a
> braille keyboard, but I haven't decided what to buy yet. VarioUltra is not
> currently an option, as the company is in bankruptcy protection.
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Scott Berry  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I took a quick gander at that article you sent along.  What you need to
> ensure is that you have the latest firmware it’s kind of quirky in the old
> firmware they say.  If your using 1.40 then you should have better success.
> Also you need to ensure your connected to the appropriate channel to make
> this happen.  So you need to press s2 which should be on the left side and
> then the number of the channel that the IOS is associated with.  Does this
> help at all?
> 

It would help if I had a Baum VarioUltra, but mine is a much older SuperVario
40. I'm considering entering the market for a new display - one that offers a
braille keyboard, but I haven't decided what to buy yet. VarioUltra is not
currently an option, as the company is in bankruptcy protection.

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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

Hello,

I took a quick gander at that article you sent along.  What you need to ensure 
is that you have the latest firmware it’s kind of quirky in the old firmware 
they say.  If your using 1.40 then you should have better success.  Also you 
need to ensure your connected to the appropriate channel to make this happen.  
So you need to press s2 which should be on the left side and then the number of 
the channel that the IOS is associated with.  Does this help at all?



> On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:19 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott Berry  wrote:
> v> See my responses below your question please.
>> d 
>>> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:10 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:
>>> 
>>> Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
>>> display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That 
>>> is, can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock 
>>> screen?
>>> 
>> 
>> Absolutely not however this may be something possible.  I’ll ask them if 
>> they can do something like this it’s a great feature suggestion.
>> 
> 
> This article claims that VarioUltra displays can unlock mobile devices:
> http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pubnew.asp?DocID=aw190104
> 
> However, Baum is unfortunately in bankruptcy protection at the moment, so
> these devices are currently unavailable. I have not tried one of the recently
> released VFO/Freedom Scientific Focus displays (5th generation) with iOS, but
> they do have multiple Bluetooth channels.
>> 
>>> I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
>>> shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
>>> continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I 
>>> interact with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not 
>>> refreshed at all. Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.
>>> 
>> 
>> So my question to you may be this:  How are your cursors set in the 
>> Voiceover preferences?  You may find this out by doing VO plus f8.  If you 
>> can also get this info to me that would be great along with the type of 
>> braille display.  It’s also possible that you may need a firmware update but 
>> I’d need to confirm this by looking at the braille display web site.
> 
> I'll check at home tonight when I'm in front of the Mac.
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Scott Berry  wrote:
v> See my responses below your question please.
>d 
> > On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:10 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:
> > 
> > Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
> > display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That 
> > is, can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock 
> > screen?
> > 
> 
> Absolutely not however this may be something possible.  I’ll ask them if they 
> can do something like this it’s a great feature suggestion.
> 

This article claims that VarioUltra displays can unlock mobile devices:
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pubnew.asp?DocID=aw190104

However, Baum is unfortunately in bankruptcy protection at the moment, so
these devices are currently unavailable. I have not tried one of the recently
released VFO/Freedom Scientific Focus displays (5th generation) with iOS, but
they do have multiple Bluetooth channels.
> 
> > I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
> > shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
> > continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I 
> > interact with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not 
> > refreshed at all. Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.
> > 
> 
> So my question to you may be this:  How are your cursors set in the Voiceover 
> preferences?  You may find this out by doing VO plus f8.  If you can also get 
> this info to me that would be great along with the type of braille display.  
> It’s also possible that you may need a firmware update but I’d need to 
> confirm this by looking at the braille display web site.

I'll check at home tonight when I'm in front of the Mac.

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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

I have found the drivers for your version do you have access to a Windows 
computer and also may I have you email me privately at scottbb1...@icloud.com 
and I’ll send those drivers to you.



> On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:11 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott Berry  wrote:
>> What braille display in particular are you using and I may be better able to
>> answer the second question for you?  
> 
> 
> Baum SuperVario 40 (the version distributed by HumanWare under the
> "Brailliant" name in 2004-2005 - actually a rebranded Baum SuperVario 
> display).
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

One other question can you please provide me with the actual software version 
number and I will be able to assist even more but I’ll start looking.

you currently hav

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 9:11 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Scott Berry  wrote:
>> What braille display in particular are you using and I may be better able to
>> answer the second question for you?  
> 
> 
> Baum SuperVario 40 (the version distributed by HumanWare under the
> "Brailliant" name in 2004-2005 - actually a rebranded Baum SuperVario 
> display).
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Scott Berry  wrote:
> What braille display in particular are you using and I may be better able to
> answer the second question for you?  


Baum SuperVario 40 (the version distributed by HumanWare under the
"Brailliant" name in 2004-2005 - actually a rebranded Baum SuperVario display).

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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

See my responses below your question please.

> On Mar 29, 2018, at 7:10 AM, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:
> 
> Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
> display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That is, 
> can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock screen?
> 

Absolutely not however this may be something possible.  I’ll ask them if they 
can do something like this it’s a great feature suggestion.


> I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
> shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
> continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I 
> interact with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not refreshed 
> at all. Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.
> 

So my question to you may be this:  How are your cursors set in the Voiceover 
preferences?  You may find this out by doing VO plus f8.  If you can also get 
this info to me that would be great along with the type of braille display.  
It’s also possible that you may need a firmware update but I’d need to confirm 
this by looking at the braille display web site.


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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Scott Berry]

What braille display in particular are you using and I may be better able to 
answer the second question for you?  There is also a possible bug so I’ll watch 
for it.  I also know that some Freedom Scientific Focus bluetooth braille 
displays are again not working on the Mac computers again.  Jut as a side note.



> On Mar 29, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't actually have a Braille device to confirm, but if it is connected via 
> Bluetooth, I expect that the Braille display would wake the iOS device.  
> After waking, navigate to the Unlock button, tap it, then use Braille input 
> to enter the Pass-Code.  You should be able to navigate freely beyond that.  
> If you meant that you'd like to have the iOS device remain locked while doing 
> your thing, I don't believe that is possible.
> 
> Sorry, I'm not able to help any with your second question.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Mar 29, 2018, at 07:10, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:
> 
> Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
> display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That is, 
> can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock screen?
> 
> I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
> shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
> continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I 
> interact with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not refreshed 
> at all. Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.
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Re: A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

I don't actually have a Braille device to confirm, but if it is connected via 
Bluetooth, I expect that the Braille display would wake the iOS device.  After 
waking, navigate to the Unlock button, tap it, then use Braille input to enter 
the Pass-Code.  You should be able to navigate freely beyond that.  If you 
meant that you'd like to have the iOS device remain locked while doing your 
thing, I don't believe that is possible.

Sorry, I'm not able to help any with your second question.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 29, 2018, at 07:10, 'Jason White' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:

Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That is, 
can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock screen?

I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I interact 
with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not refreshed at all. 
Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.

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A few Mac and iOS braille display questions

['Jason White' via MacVisionaries]

Just a few braille questions that have arisen recently:

Is there a way to operate an iOS device from a Bluetooth-connected braille 
display without having to take the iPhone or iPad out and unlock it? That is, 
can the braille display access an iOS device while it’s on the lock screen?

I’ve also noticed on the Mac recently that, sometimes, the braille display 
shows the title of a window and is not updated, even though the speech 
continues to track the focus and to respond to VoiceOver commands as I interact 
with an application. Meanwhile, the braille display is not refreshed at all. 
Have others seen this? I’m running High Siera.

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Two more braille display questions

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

1.  It looks like there should be a way to add commands to the list, and then 
assign them to a braille display key, but I can't figure out how to do it.  Can 
someone tell me if this is possible, and if so, how do you do it?

2.  when I try and navigate through the messages table in Mail, It's as though 
VO keys are automatically turned on.  Whether I use the arrow keys or the 
scroll buttons, all movement behaves like VO plus up or down arrow.  This makes 
it impossible to move up and down in the messages list.  Has anyone else 
experienced this?  Is there a solution?
Thanks,
Donna

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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi there
There are several commands which are already built into voiceover for using 
your braille display. Commands like plus the letter E for example, are the 
return key or enter.Plus the D means delete. Then you can map keys on your 
braille display to voice over commands.
Regards
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 6, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote:

 How do you do VO on a braille display when using the Mac?  I've not used my 
 braille display very much with a Mac, and because I've not had a computer for 
 over a month, I've not had the opportunity to use my braille display with a 
 Mac.
 
 Kawal.
 
 On 5 Jan 2013, at 01:34 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Scott. 
 I realize that she was talking about Vo J and that it is different. However, 
 I tested it, and it works anyway on email messages. I did that before I 
 wrote the post. I wanted to see if it would work. It did. In fact, I wonder 
 if these commands VO J and the usual interacting command are 
 interchangeable. I'll test it and find out. 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 HI Gigi.
 She was asking about VO plus J, which jumps to the text content of an
 email mesage. This is different than interacting with an item. I'm not
 trying to be rude or anything like that, I just thought I should
 clerify. Unless I'm the one off base here?
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
 keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
 VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
 fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
 Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
 but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
 to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
 command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
 commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
 with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
 interacting.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I
 would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and
 I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with
 the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at
 my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to
 a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after
 it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try
 that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find
 it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if
 they
 don't find each other right away.
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille,
 of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list 

Re: Braille Display Questions

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

How do you do VO on a braille display when using the Mac?  I've not used my 
braille display very much with a Mac, and because I've not had a computer for 
over a month, I've not had the opportunity to use my braille display with a Mac.

Kawal.

On 5 Jan 2013, at 01:34 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Scott. 
 I realize that she was talking about Vo J and that it is different. However, 
 I tested it, and it works anyway on email messages. I did that before I wrote 
 the post. I wanted to see if it would work. It did. In fact, I wonder if 
 these commands VO J and the usual interacting command are interchangeable. 
 I'll test it and find out. 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 HI Gigi.
 She was asking about VO plus J, which jumps to the text content of an
 email mesage. This is different than interacting with an item. I'm not
 trying to be rude or anything like that, I just thought I should
 clerify. Unless I'm the one off base here?
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
 keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
 VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
 fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
 Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
 but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
 to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
 command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
 commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
 with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
 interacting.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I
 would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and
 I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with
 the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at
 my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to
 a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after
 it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try
 that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find
 it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if
 they
 don't find each other right away.
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille,
 of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you
 started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Steve Holmes]

What Christine wants to do is use the command bound to VO-J; I don't remember 
the exact name for it but it allows for jumping between different parts of the 
screen and remain interacted with the same.  I use it a lot in iTunes and Mail. 
For Mail it jumps immediately between the list of mail folders and the message 
list for the currently selected mail box.  One would need to map a vacant 
Braille display command to this VO command to accomplish the desired results.

Yes, I agree; I wish there were a way to simulate full OS 10 key combinations 
on a Braille display; that would be really hot.

On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi again Kristeen.
 Well, I discovered that it doesn't always work. I got it to work the first 
 time, but when I tried it again, it didn't work. In fact, it's real strange. 
 It interacts and then says dimmed, even though it's still there and 
 everything. I got the space D to work to delete an email. Say, let me know if 
 you get the same result. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Iggie, I'll try that.
 
 You can customize some things under Braille in the Voiceover utility, but 
 you can only customize the choices that are offered and so many things are 
 not. Apple has a way to go with their Braille support on the Mac. I'm hoping 
 it's better on the iOS platform. I've heard it is.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Chkristine.
 I just gfigured out how to interact with messages with your braille 
 display. I thought it would work, and it did. Try pressing space bar with 
 dots 2-3-6. I tested the other day to uninteract. That command is space bar 
 and the dots 3-5-6. In other words, spacebar with the question mark to do 
 it, and space bar with the low j to undo it. 
 
 If you want to turn your speech off, do space bar and the letter m 
 together. By the way, screen curtain is space bar and the for sign 
 together. The muting command is same one if you want your speech back. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I 
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I 
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the 
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO 
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a 
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my 
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J 
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as 
 well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using 
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a 
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's 
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that 
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure 
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. 
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they 
 don't find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. 
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you 
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 

Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Steve and Kristeen
Although it probably won't do everything that's wanted, I did figure out how to 
get into a message with the braille display so it can be read. It seems to work 
every time. If you press spacebar and the letter e, it's like doing the return 
key. I've done it several times this time and got it to work every time. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jan 5, 2013, at 3:52 AM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote:

 What Christine wants to do is use the command bound to VO-J; I don't remember 
 the exact name for it but it allows for jumping between different parts of 
 the screen and remain interacted with the same.  I use it a lot in iTunes and 
 Mail. For Mail it jumps immediately between the list of mail folders and the 
 message list for the currently selected mail box.  One would need to map a 
 vacant Braille display command to this VO command to accomplish the desired 
 results.
 
 Yes, I agree; I wish there were a way to simulate full OS 10 key combinations 
 on a Braille display; that would be really hot.
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:12 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi again Kristeen.
 Well, I discovered that it doesn't always work. I got it to work the first 
 time, but when I tried it again, it didn't work. In fact, it's real strange. 
 It interacts and then says dimmed, even though it's still there and 
 everything. I got the space D to work to delete an email. Say, let me know 
 if you get the same result. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Iggie, I'll try that.
 
 You can customize some things under Braille in the Voiceover utility, but 
 you can only customize the choices that are offered and so many things are 
 not. Apple has a way to go with their Braille support on the Mac. I'm 
 hoping it's better on the iOS platform. I've heard it is.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Chkristine.
 I just gfigured out how to interact with messages with your braille 
 display. I thought it would work, and it did. Try pressing space bar with 
 dots 2-3-6. I tested the other day to uninteract. That command is space 
 bar and the dots 3-5-6. In other words, spacebar with the question mark to 
 do it, and space bar with the low j to undo it. 
 
 If you want to turn your speech off, do space bar and the letter m 
 together. By the way, screen curtain is space bar and the for sign 
 together. The muting command is same one if you want your speech back. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I 
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and 
 I could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with 
 the Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with 
 VO and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a 
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at 
 my list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J 
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as 
 well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using 
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a 
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after 
 it's on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try 
 that way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure 
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. 
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if 
 they don't find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. 
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you 
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, 
 of things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good 
 for Christmas. 
 
 

Re: Braille Display Questions

[Les Kriegler]

I tried the interaction command with the braille command and I was not taken to 
the message text.  Rather, it interacted with the sender of the message.  
However, space with E sends the return key to the Mail App and then the message 
will open.

Les
On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:19 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI Gigi.
 She was asking about VO plus J, which jumps to the text content of an
 email mesage. This is different than interacting with an item. I'm not
 trying to be rude or anything like that, I just thought I should
 clerify. Unless I'm the one off base here?
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
 keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
 VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
 fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
 Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
 but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
 to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
 command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
 commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
 with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
 interacting.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I
 would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and
 I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with
 the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at
 my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to
 a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after
 it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try
 that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find
 it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if
 they
 don't find each other right away.
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille,
 of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you
 started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service,
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a
 lot
 of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Dan Eickmeier]

I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as well.  
On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it within 
 the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on the list 
 of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I get an 
 error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't 
 find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some 
 of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the 
 code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would like 
to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I was able to 
function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I could turn the 
Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the Mac, I continue to 
discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO and the Focus or any other 
Braille display.

For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a lot of 
things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my list of 
E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J command to get into 
the message. That is just an example.

Kristeen

On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:

 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it within 
 the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on the 
 list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I get 
 an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't 
 find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some 
 of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the 
 code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, 
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list 
 so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Chris Bruinenberg]

I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille. 


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I was 
 able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I could 
 turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the Mac, I 
 continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO and the 
 Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a lot 
 of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my list 
 of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J command to get 
 into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on 
 the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I 
 get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't 
 find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some 
 of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the 
 code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, 
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list 
 so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Chkristine.
I just gfigured out how to interact with messages with your braille display. I 
thought it would work, and it did. Try pressing space bar with dots 2-3-6. I 
tested the other day to uninteract. That command is space bar and the dots 
3-5-6. In other words, spacebar with the question mark to do it, and space bar 
with the low j to undo it. 

If you want to turn your speech off, do space bar and the letter m together. By 
the way, screen curtain is space bar and the for sign together. The muting 
command is same one if you want your speech back. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I was 
 able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I could 
 turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the Mac, I 
 continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO and the 
 Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a lot 
 of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my list 
 of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J command to get 
 into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on 
 the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I 
 get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't 
 find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some 
 of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the 
 code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, 
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list 
 so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Scott Davert]

Hi.
I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
interacting.

Scott

On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.

 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.

 Kristeen

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:

 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the code is  for the Focus.

 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.

 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.

 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they
 don't find each other right away.

 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.

 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.

 Regards,
 Gigi

 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you
 started.

 Scott

 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.

 Best,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service,
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot
 of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???

 Kristeen


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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Scott Davert]

HI Gigi.
She was asking about VO plus J, which jumps to the text content of an
email mesage. This is different than interacting with an item. I'm not
trying to be rude or anything like that, I just thought I should
clerify. Unless I'm the one off base here?

Scott

On 1/4/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
 keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
 VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
 fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
 Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
 but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
 to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
 command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
 commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
 with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
 interacting.

 Scott

 On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.


 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I
 would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and
 I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with
 the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.

 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at
 my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.

 Kristeen

 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:

 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think the code is  for the Focus.

 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to
 a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.

 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after
 it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try
 that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.

 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find
 it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if
 they
 don't find each other right away.

 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.

 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille,
 of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.

 Regards,
 Gigi

 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you
 started.

 Scott

 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.

 Best,

 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service,
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a
 lot
 of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???

 Kristeen


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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Scott. 
I realize that she was talking about Vo J and that it is different. However, I 
tested it, and it works anyway on email messages. I did that before I wrote the 
post. I wanted to see if it would work. It did. In fact, I wonder if these 
commands VO J and the usual interacting command are interchangeable. I'll test 
it and find out. 

On Jan 4, 2013, at 7:19 PM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI Gigi.
 She was asking about VO plus J, which jumps to the text content of an
 email mesage. This is different than interacting with an item. I'm not
 trying to be rude or anything like that, I just thought I should
 clerify. Unless I'm the one off base here?
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi.
 I have created my own command for this space with J. You can create
 keyboard commands on the display, however, they can only be for
 VoiceOver specific keyboard commands. For example, VO plus J works
 fine, but command Q, which is an OSX command, will not work.
 Apparently there is some kind of Apple scripting way of doing this,
 but I don't know how. SO in short, yes, you can program your display
 to use specific functions related to VoiceOver, but not any keyboard
 command that is generalized to the Mac. You'll find that some keyboard
 commands on the Mac already have a braille equivalent, such as space
 with 2-3-6 to interact with items and space with 3-5-6 to stop
 interacting.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/4/13, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think there is a way to customize key presses under Braille.
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I
 would
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and
 I
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with
 the
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO
 and the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at
 my
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J
 command to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as
 well.
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac.
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen.
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to
 a
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone.
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after
 it's
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try
 that
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list.
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find
 it.
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if
 they
 don't find each other right away.
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code.
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue.
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille,
 of
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for
 Christmas.
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most
 likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to
 search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you
 started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service,
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a
 lot
 of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Kristeen Hughes]

Thanks Iggie, I'll try that.

You can customize some things under Braille in the Voiceover utility, but you 
can only customize the choices that are offered and so many things are not. 
Apple has a way to go with their Braille support on the Mac. I'm hoping it's 
better on the iOS platform. I've heard it is.

Kristeen

On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Chkristine.
 I just gfigured out how to interact with messages with your braille display. 
 I thought it would work, and it did. Try pressing space bar with dots 2-3-6. 
 I tested the other day to uninteract. That command is space bar and the dots 
 3-5-6. In other words, spacebar with the question mark to do it, and space 
 bar with the low j to undo it. 
 
 If you want to turn your speech off, do space bar and the letter m together. 
 By the way, screen curtain is space bar and the for sign together. The muting 
 command is same one if you want your speech back. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I was 
 able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I could 
 turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the Mac, I 
 continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO and the 
 Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a lot 
 of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my list 
 of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J command to 
 get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as well. 
  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using 
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a 
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's 
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that 
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't 
 find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. 
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you 
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, 
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off 
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi again Kristeen.
Well, I discovered that it doesn't always work. I got it to work the first 
time, but when I tried it again, it didn't work. In fact, it's real strange. It 
interacts and then says dimmed, even though it's still there and everything. I 
got the space D to work to delete an email. Say, let me know if you get the 
same result. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Iggie, I'll try that.
 
 You can customize some things under Braille in the Voiceover utility, but you 
 can only customize the choices that are offered and so many things are not. 
 Apple has a way to go with their Braille support on the Mac. I'm hoping it's 
 better on the iOS platform. I've heard it is.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Chkristine.
 I just gfigured out how to interact with messages with your braille display. 
 I thought it would work, and it did. Try pressing space bar with dots 2-3-6. 
 I tested the other day to uninteract. That command is space bar and the dots 
 3-5-6. In other words, spacebar with the question mark to do it, and space 
 bar with the low j to undo it. 
 
 If you want to turn your speech off, do space bar and the letter m together. 
 By the way, screen curtain is space bar and the for sign together. The 
 muting command is same one if you want your speech back. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Thanks to you all. My questions are a bit more specific, I think. I would 
 like to be able to use the display without having the voice on at all. I 
 was able to function with just a Braille display when I used Windows and I 
 could turn the Jaws speech off or mute it. When I try to do that with the 
 Mac, I continue to discover things I can't figure out how to do with VO and 
 the Focus or any other Braille display.
 
 For example, is there any way to simulate the VO command? Without that a 
 lot of things are not able to be done. If, for example, I am looking at my 
 list of E-Mail messages, and I wish to read one, I cannot do a VO J command 
 to get into the message. That is just an example.
 
 Kristeen
 
 On Jan 4, 2013, at 1:21 PM, Dan Eickmeier va3ets2...@me.com wrote:
 
 I have a Brailliant BI 40, and it works nicely on the MAc, and iOS as 
 well.  
 On 2013-01-03, at 2:35 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
 Best of luck deciding on one!
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using 
 your Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a 
 Windows compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it 
 within the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's 
 on the list of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that 
 way, I get an error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure 
 you have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. 
 That sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they 
 don't find each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. 
 Some of them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you 
 what the code is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, 
 starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off 
 list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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[erik burggraaf]

you can email me off list if you like.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at 
$0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Scott Davert]

You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.

Scott

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 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:

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 as not to clutter? Please???

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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Kristeen. 
VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your Mac, 
your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows compchter 
with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 

The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it within the 
VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on the list of 
devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I get an error 
message, even though it's on the list. 

When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you have 
the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That sounds 
obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't find each 
other right away. 

After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some of 
them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the code is 
for the Focus 40 Blue. 

After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of things, 
for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for Christmas. 

Regards, 
Gigi 

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 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Les Kriegler]

I think the code is  for the Focus.

Les
On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it within 
 the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on the list 
 of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I get an error 
 message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you have 
 the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That sounds 
 obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't find each 
 other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some of 
 them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the code is 
 for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I just receiveed a focus 40 Blue for a gift.  I am wondering a lot of
 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
 Kristeen
 
 
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Re: Braille Display Questions

[Chris Bruinenberg]

I have a Braille conect and it works great with iOS windows and Mac. 
Best of luck deciding on one!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:29 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think the code is  for the Focus.
 
 Les
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 1:34 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Kristeen. 
 VoiceOver should recognize your Focus 40 Blue, whether you are using your 
 Mac, your IOS device, or a Windows computer. I've connected to a Windows 
 compchter with Blue Tooth. I have with my Mac and iPhone. 
 
 The one thing that I am finding is that you will want to connect it within 
 the VoiceOver utility. With my braille display, even after it's on the list 
 of devices, if I go to the turn Bluetooth on and try that way, I get an 
 error message, even though it's on the list. 
 
 When you connect it within the VO utility, y'blind want to make sure you 
 have the braille display turned on before you tell Vo to find it. That 
 sounds obvious, but these things can be kind of sensitive if they don't find 
 each other right away. 
 
 After Vo finds your display you will then be asked to put in a code. Some of 
 them are 1234 and some are , so others here can tell you what the code 
 is for the Focus 40 Blue. 
 
 After that, you should do ok. Congratulations on getting a braille, of 
 things, for a Christmas present. I never got anything that good for 
 Christmas. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 3, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Scott Davert scottslistm...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can email me off list, but I think this discussion can most likely
 help others. Even if not imediatley, someone may later wish to search
 the list archives for this topic and will find the thread you started.
 
 Scott
 
 On 1/3/13, erik burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote:
 you can email me off list if you like.
 
 Best,
 
 Erik Burggraaf
 Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting
 at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
 Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
 
 On 2013-01-03, at 8:14 AM, Kristeen Hughes khwi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
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 things. Is there someone who would be willing to talk with me off list so
 as not to clutter? Please???
 
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