Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

My issue is not with the surface pro, but with the surface book. Microsoft 
sells the surface book as a laptop. A laptop is supposed to be used on your lap 
if necessary. The surface book cannot be used on your lap at all. It will fall. 
As I said before, I have seen it happen.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 31 Oct 2016, at 8:04 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When using the Surface Pro on one's lap, use the onscreen keyboard, not the 
> QWERTY keyboard attachment. Only use the QWERTY when on a stable platform, 
> such as a desk or table.
> 
> The same, in fact, is true for the iPad and Apple's keyboard for the iPad.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
> Mobile: +61 488 988 936
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 31/10/2016, at 18:39, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Trying to use a surface book the way a laptop should be used, on your lap, 
>> instead of on a desk, is impossible. I have actually seen one fall and break 
>> to pieces. The problem with it is, all the storage, battery etc. is located 
>> in the screen.
>> 
>> It can also not be said that it is the most well-built laptop on the planet.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 4:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whats wrong with the surface book?
>>>  
>>> I like that a hell of a lot more than the surface pro.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
>>> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 4:02 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>  
>>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>>>  
>>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One 
>>> thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
>>> classified as stupid.
>>>  
>>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be 
>>> safely used when on your lap? Seriously?
>>>  
>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>>  
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>  
>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>>  
>>> Contact:
>>>  
>>> Phone:
>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>>>  
>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>  
>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>  
>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
>>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
>>> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>  
>>> Randy
>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> 

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Um Brandt,

The surface book actually has battery and memory within the keyboard as well as 
in the screan

Both come apart so the screan can be used as a tablet or together the keyboard 
which is as strong as the screan except for the keys
 Yes if you drop it from your knee or anywhere else the two parts will separate
Otherwise it’s a lot stronger than a surface pro which doesn’t have any memory 
or battery in the keyboard.





From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
Sent: Monday, 31 October 2016 6:39 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Trying to use a surface book the way a laptop should be used, on your lap, 
instead of on a desk, is impossible. I have actually seen one fall and break to 
pieces. The problem with it is, all the storage, battery etc. is located in the 
screen.

It can also not be said that it is the most well-built laptop on the planet.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

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On 30 Oct 2016, at 4:20 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Whats wrong with the surface book?

I like that a hell of a lot more than the surface pro.



From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 4:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?

If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

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On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> 
wrote:

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.

Randy
On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Chris,

The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,

So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
that goes for us.

From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I 
am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you pr

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[David Chittenden]

When using the Surface Pro on one's lap, use the onscreen keyboard, not the 
QWERTY keyboard attachment. Only use the QWERTY when on a stable platform, such 
as a desk or table.

The same, in fact, is true for the iPad and Apple's keyboard for the iPad.

Kind regards,

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +61 488 988 936
Sent from my iPhone

> On 31/10/2016, at 18:39, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Trying to use a surface book the way a laptop should be used, on your lap, 
> instead of on a desk, is impossible. I have actually seen one fall and break 
> to pieces. The problem with it is, all the storage, battery etc. is located 
> in the screen.
> 
> It can also not be said that it is the most well-built laptop on the planet.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp
> 
>> On 30 Oct 2016, at 4:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Whats wrong with the surface book?
>>  
>> I like that a hell of a lot more than the surface pro.
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 4:02 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>  
>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>>  
>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing 
>> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
>> classified as stupid.
>>  
>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely 
>> used when on your lap? Seriously?
>>  
>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>>  
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>  
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>  
>> Contact:
>>  
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
>>  
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
>>  
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp
>>  
>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:
>>  
>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
>> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>  
>> Randy
>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>  
>> Chris,
>>  
>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
>> iPhone now,
>>  
>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>  
>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>> how that goes for us.
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>  
>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
>> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ray Foret jr
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>  
>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
>> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
>&g

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Trying to use a surface book the way a laptop should be used, on your lap, 
instead of on a desk, is impossible. I have actually seen one fall and break to 
pieces. The problem with it is, all the storage, battery etc. is located in the 
screen.

It can also not be said that it is the most well-built laptop on the planet.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
> On 30 Oct 2016, at 4:20 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Whats wrong with the surface book?
>  
> I like that a hell of a lot more than the surface pro.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
> Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 4:02 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>  
> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>  
> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing 
> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
> classified as stupid.
>  
> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
> idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
> Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
> your lap? Seriously?
>  
> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
> 
> Warm regards,
>  
> Brandt Steenkamp
>  
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>  
> Contact:
>  
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>  
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>  
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>  
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>  
> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>  
> Randy
> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>  
> Chris,
>  
> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
> iPhone now,
>  
> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>  
> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
> that goes for us.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>  
> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>  
> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
> pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
> you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
> the touch ID.  
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Microsoft do a full version of windows 8 8.1 and 10 on their Surface range of 
devices.

That is the Surface, surface pro and newer Surface books.

  MS wished to put out an operating system that was the same on all platforms 
so what you get in the surface is the same as the desktop in your office 
running windows or the surface book  etc.

Apple however have the OSX or now with sierra Macc OS IOS for phone ipad and 
iPod and also watch OS and TV OS,

Although they are all very similar, Mac OS and IOS for the iPad or iPhone are 
different

Apple are slowly working to combine MAC OS and IOS into the same product so 
that one OS can be used on all devices,

  That doesn’t mean that they will do away with notebooks in favour of tablets  
 but that the OS on either is the same


My Surface Pro 3 has the same windows 10 OS installed as my bootcamp 
installation on my mac book air.

Vbut ones a tablet and ones a notebook.

The world is changing people need to get use to that, fair of change will kill 
you if yor not willing to take it on.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 3:15 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I know laptop sales aren't exactly knocking it out of the park, but aren't a 
tablet sales also rather down? Maybe these convertibles are the answer. I don't 
know.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 29, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi there, so I think the idea that laptops will be replaced with tablets isn’t 
so wild to be fair.  The number of tablets sold has been replacing laptop sales 
for a while now.  I think most sited users really just want something that’s 
always on and looks a lot like their phones but easier to use in front of the 
TV.  On another list there was some really interesting stuff posted about the 
second screen movement and second screen work with the W3C working group.  I 
have a feeling we’re seeing the end of laptops and there will come a time that 
they are gone especially as tablets get more horse power and an optional 
keyboard will probably solve the interface issues associated with typing long 
documents on tablets.

As for surface verses Apple, Apple all the way.  I was on a flight not that 
long ago and all the laptops were apple.  I was very surprised.  Everybody 
working on the flight had an apple in front of them.  Wasn’t tat long time ago 
that there was a whole mix of windows devices but it’s interesting how Apple is 
gaining market share.

On Oct 29, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Brandt Steenkamp 
<brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Maybe macOS looks and feels more like iOS now than it did in the past, but it 
is still distinctly macOS.

The touch bar supporting your argument? Not likely. That is like saying having 
a glass track pad supports the argument that the laptop is going to be replaced 
by a tablet, an absurd thought.

Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time 
you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? And, no, 
changing the volume does not count. If you have any site, you can very easily 
change the volume in the top right of your screen by dragging the slider. Not 
very hard using Voiceover either. The last time I remember using the function 
keys was to turn voiceover on on a Mac I had to use at a friend's.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
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On 29 Oct 2016, at 7:29 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> 
wrote:

Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple computers 
steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is possibly evidence 
for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys.
Randy

Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus

On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp 
<brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safel

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

The surface pro is the fancy version of the surface or surface pro.

The surface book is the same size as the iPad Pro 12 inch

It’s an executive type device and has unlike the surface pro got a hard backed 
keyboard

The surface pro and surface have a soft keyboard
 The surface book is very firm and stable when you have it sitting on your knee 
and typing


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 10:30 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

The surface and surface book are two completely different devices. I have never 
dealt with the surface myself.

Is like calling a Mac an iPad. Not the same thing.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

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On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:23 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Fair enough said. I admittedly haven't seen the new Surface models, so, you 
very likely are probably correct on this matter.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Brandt Steenkamp<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Hi there,

The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when you 
hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall 
backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the 
surface book does not make.

That is why I believe Apple will not go that route.  I pray that I'm correct on 
this.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

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Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>

On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Brant,

I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I 
tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 
3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.

I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! come 
with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  Now that, 
I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you could twist 
the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be freaking 
awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that would be 
monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind a strong, 
but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Brandt Steenkamp<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?

If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.s

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

I’ve used a surface book, and I have to say it was great,
The size was the only issue I had, iPad pro 12 inch size,

Other than that it was a lot nicer to use than the surface pro


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 10:13 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Hi there,

The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when you 
hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall 
backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the 
surface book does not make.

That is why I believe Apple will not go that route.  I pray that I'm correct on 
this.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>

On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Brant,

I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I 
tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 
3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.

I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! come 
with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  Now that, 
I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you could twist 
the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be freaking 
awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that would be 
monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind a strong, 
but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Brandt Steenkamp<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.%20com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?

If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>

On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> 
wrote:

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.

Randy
On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Chris,
The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,
So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
that goes for us.
From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
 On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I 
am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
i...@gill

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 7:29 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple 
>>>>>> computers steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is 
>>>>>> possibly evidence for my argument. We no longer have to press function 
>>>>>> keys.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp 
>>>>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do 
>>>>>>> you reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing 
>>>>>>> the keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. 
>>>>>>> One thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  
>>>>>>> cannot be classified as stupid.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>>>>>>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>>>>>>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be 
>>>>>>> safely used when on your lap? Seriously?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Contact:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>>>>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place 
>>>>>>>> of the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on 
>>>>>>>> iOS devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as 
>>>>>>>>> on the iPhone now,
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
>>>>>>>>> see how that goes for us.
>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>&g

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Whats wrong with the surface book?

I like that a hell of a lot more than the surface pro.



From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Brandt Steenkamp
Sent: Sunday, 30 October 2016 4:02 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?

If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com<mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp<http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>

On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com<mailto:kc4...@me.com>> 
wrote:

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.

Randy
On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty 
<si...@blinky-net.com<mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:

Chris,

The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,

So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
that goes for us.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I 
am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you press 
and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch 
ID.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
turn around on this question.




Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
<accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, 
scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi, now t

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[John Panarese]

t; 
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp 
>>>>> <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>>>>>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>>>>>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One 
>>>>>> thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot 
>>>>>> be classified as stupid.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>>>>>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>>>>>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be 
>>>>>> safely used when on your lap? Seriously?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Contact:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Phone:
>>>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>>>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of 
>>>>>>> the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS 
>>>>>>> devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as 
>>>>>>>> on the iPhone now,
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
>>>>>>>> see how that goes for us.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: 
>>>>>>>> Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages 
>>>>>>>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so 
>>>>>>>> forgive me.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisio

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

en on your lap? Seriously?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>>>> 
>>>>> Contact:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Phone:
>>>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of 
>>>>>> the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS 
>>>>>> devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Randy
>>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
>>>>>>> the iPhone now,
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
>>>>>>> see how that goes for us.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>>>>>> Gilland
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages 
>>>>>>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so 
>>>>>>> forgive me.
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
>>>>>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went 
>>>>>>> for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  
>>>>>>> IN other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing 
>>>>>>> so, you tripple press the touch ID.  
>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>>> blind built-in
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
>>>>>>> Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmai

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

Hell, I’ve paid a lot of money to get that way;)  Hang in there buddy things 
like computers can really help folks with brain injuries.  There’s a lot of 
research going on in that area because of our wounded vets as well.  Won’t be 
long where they will be able to augment the broken segments.

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 5:27 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, did I hear correctly or not, the touch bar is dynamic.
> 
> In other words, it will do everything that you just mentioned, with function 
> keys, you have to remember, Like you did in the old days on a switchboard. 
> The world is becoming a digital place. Computer manufacturers is only 
> realizing this now. 
> 
> Hell, I don't remember what all the function keys do, If you can good on you. 
> Having had brain injuries, does probably not help very much. In fact, this is 
> very good for somebody like myself who've had injuries to the brain effecting 
> memory.  some days I can barely remember my own name, let alone what the hell 
> any of the function keys do.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp 
>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>> You wrote:
>>  
>> Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time 
>> you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 
>>  
>> OK, let's see:
>>  
>> App chooser list
>> Window chooser list
>> What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the screen
>> What's at the mouse pointer
>> Routing the mouse pointer
>> Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
>> Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
>> Using F12 in ProTools to record
>> Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with FloTools as 
>> an extension to ProTools
>> Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
>> CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
>> CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
>> Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
>> Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within Logic Pro X
>> Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for ProTools
>> Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main Stage
>>  
>> As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to stay 
>> in some form or another.
>>  
>> Chris.
>> 
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Mary Otten]

ad will take the place of 
>>>>> the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS 
>>>>> devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Randy
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
>>>>>> the iPhone now,
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
>>>>>> see how that goes for us.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>>>>> Gilland
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages 
>>>>>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so 
>>>>>> forgive me.
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: Ray Foret jr
>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
>>>>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went 
>>>>>> for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN 
>>>>>> other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, 
>>>>>> you tripple press the touch ID.  
>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
>>>>>> blind built-in
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
>>>>>> comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
>>>>>> quick turn around on this question.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Hello, 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and 
>>>>>> Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures 
>>>>>> users already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the 
>>>>>> information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, 
>>>>>> hold the Command key and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessi

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

Ah, it has the same problem as the blackberry Priv.  With the keyboard slid out 
the phone tended to pull backwards do to poor weight distribution.  Same deal 
on the surface?  Doesn’t surprise me.

+1 to your points Brandt.

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 5:13 PM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when 
> you hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall 
> backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the 
> surface book does not make.
> 
> That is why I believe Apple will not go that route.  I pray that I'm correct 
> on this.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Brant,
>> 
>> I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I 
>> tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my 
>> Surface 3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.
>> 
>> I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
>> mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
>> mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! 
>> come with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  
>> Now that, I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that 
>> you could twist the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! 
>> would be freaking awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. 
>> Otherwise, that would be monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as 
>> stupid, that's kind a strong, but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the 
>> smartest idea.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> ----- Original Message - 
>>> From: Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups. 
>>> com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>> 
>>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>>> 
>>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One 
>>> thing we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
>>> classified as stupid.
>>> 
>>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be 
>>> safely used when on your lap? Seriously?
>>> 
>>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> Brandt Steenkamp
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>>> 
>>> Contact:
>>> 
>>> Phone:
>>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>>> 
>>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of 
>>>> the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS 
>>>> devices. Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>>> 
>>>> Randy
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris,
>>>>> The power but

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

gt;>> Chris,
>>>>>  
>>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
>>>>> the iPhone now,
>>>>>  
>>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>>  
>>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>>>>> how that goes for us.
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>>>> Gilland
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>  
>>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
>>>>> so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>>  
>>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>>  
>>>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
>>>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for 
>>>>> was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN 
>>>>> other words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, 
>>>>> you tripple press the touch ID.  
>>>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>>>> built-in
>>>>>  
>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>  
>>>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>  
>>>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
>>>>> comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>>>>  
>>>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
>>>>> quick turn around on this question.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>  
>>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
>>>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>>>  
>>>>> Hello, 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>>>>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>>>>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>>>>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command 
>>>>> key and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>>> 
>>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
>>>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility>
>>>>> 
>>>

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow. That's so sad! Again, I am really sorry, and I very genuinely mean it! If 
I ever can do anything, please don't hesitate to write me privately.

Anyway, like you said, back on topic we go... Smile. Enough said.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:39 PM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Nope, I am screwed. Have been since 2009. People would consider it a big 
deal, me? It is life. Things go wrong sometimes.


  Back on topic though; I remember in the old Dos days people use to have 
little cards above their function keys. I see the touch bar as an evolution of 
that setup. Now the cards are dynamic, you don't have to make a new set for 
each program, and you don't have to bother with pressing keys either. Just hit 
the card.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


  Contact:


  Phone:
  Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
  For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013


  Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com


  Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp


On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Wow! I'm so sorry to hear about your injery. I hope in the long run you're 
going to be OK!
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Hmm, did I hear correctly or not, the touch bar is dynamic.   


  In other words, it will do everything that you just mentioned, with 
function keys, you have to remember, Like you did in the old days on a 
switchboard. The world is becoming a digital place. Computer manufacturers is 
only realizing this now. 


  Hell, I don't remember what all the function keys do, If you can good on 
you. Having had brain injuries, does probably not help very much. In fact, this 
is very good for somebody like myself who've had injuries to the brain 
effecting memory.  some days I can barely remember my own name, let alone what 
the hell any of the function keys do.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


  Contact:


  Phone:
  Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
  For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013


  Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com


  Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp


On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


You wrote:

Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last 
time you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 

OK, let's see:

  a.. App chooser list
  b.. Window chooser list
  c.. What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the 
screen
  d.. What's at the mouse pointer
  e.. Routing the mouse pointer
  f.. Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
  g.. Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
  h.. Using F12 in ProTools to record
  i.. Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with 
FloTools as an extension to ProTools
  j.. Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
  k.. CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
  l.. CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
  m.. Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
  n.. Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within 
Logic Pro X
  o.. Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for 
ProTools
  p.. Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main 
Stage

As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to 
stay in some form or another.

Chris.


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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Nope, I am screwed. Have been since 2009. People would consider it a big deal, 
me? It is life. Things go wrong sometimes.

Back on topic though; I remember in the old Dos days people use to have little 
cards above their function keys. I see the touch bar as an evolution of that 
setup. Now the cards are dynamic, you don't have to make a new set for each 
program, and you don't have to bother with pressing keys either. Just hit the 
card.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 11:30 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Wow! I'm so sorry to hear about your injery. I hope in the long run you're 
> going to be OK!
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups. 
>> com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>> Hmm, did I hear correctly or not, the touch bar is dynamic.   
>> 
>> In other words, it will do everything that you just mentioned, with function 
>> keys, you have to remember, Like you did in the old days on a switchboard. 
>> The world is becoming a digital place. Computer manufacturers is only 
>> realizing this now. 
>> 
>> Hell, I don't remember what all the function keys do, If you can good on 
>> you. Having had brain injuries, does probably not help very much. In fact, 
>> this is very good for somebody like myself who've had injuries to the brain 
>> effecting memory.  some days I can barely remember my own name, let alone 
>> what the hell any of the function keys do.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> You wrote:
>>>  
>>> Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last 
>>> time you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 
>>>  
>>> OK, let's see:
>>>  
>>> App chooser list
>>> Window chooser list
>>> What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the screen
>>> What's at the mouse pointer
>>> Routing the mouse pointer
>>> Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
>>> Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
>>> Using F12 in ProTools to record
>>> Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with FloTools as 
>>> an extension to ProTools
>>> Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
>>> CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
>>> CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
>>> Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
>>> Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within Logic Pro X
>>> Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for ProTools
>>> Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main Stage
>>>  
>>> As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to stay 
>>> in some form or another.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>> 
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Wow! I'm so sorry to hear about your injery. I hope in the long run you're 
going to be OK!
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:27 PM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Hmm, did I hear correctly or not, the touch bar is dynamic.


  In other words, it will do everything that you just mentioned, with function 
keys, you have to remember, Like you did in the old days on a switchboard. The 
world is becoming a digital place. Computer manufacturers is only realizing 
this now. 


  Hell, I don't remember what all the function keys do, If you can good on you. 
Having had brain injuries, does probably not help very much. In fact, this is 
very good for somebody like myself who've had injuries to the brain effecting 
memory.  some days I can barely remember my own name, let alone what the hell 
any of the function keys do.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


  Contact:


  Phone:
  Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
  For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013


  Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com


  Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp


On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


You wrote:

Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last 
time you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 

OK, let's see:

  a.. App chooser list
  b.. Window chooser list
  c.. What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the screen
  d.. What's at the mouse pointer
  e.. Routing the mouse pointer
  f.. Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
  g.. Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
  h.. Using F12 in ProTools to record
  i.. Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with 
FloTools as an extension to ProTools
  j.. Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
  k.. CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
  l.. CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
  m.. Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
  n.. Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within Logic 
Pro X
  o.. Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for ProTools
  p.. Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main Stage

As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to stay 
in some form or another.

Chris.


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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hmm, did I hear correctly or not, the touch bar is dynamic.

In other words, it will do everything that you just mentioned, with function 
keys, you have to remember, Like you did in the old days on a switchboard. The 
world is becoming a digital place. Computer manufacturers is only realizing 
this now. 

Hell, I don't remember what all the function keys do, If you can good on you. 
Having had brain injuries, does probably not help very much. In fact, this is 
very good for somebody like myself who've had injuries to the brain effecting 
memory.  some days I can barely remember my own name, let alone what the hell 
any of the function keys do.

Warm regards,

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> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> You wrote:
>  
> Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time 
> you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 
>  
> OK, let's see:
>  
> App chooser list
> Window chooser list
> What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the screen
> What's at the mouse pointer
> Routing the mouse pointer
> Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
> Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
> Using F12 in ProTools to record
> Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with FloTools as an 
> extension to ProTools
> Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
> CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
> CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
> Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
> Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within Logic Pro X
> Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for ProTools
> Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main Stage
>  
> As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to stay in 
> some form or another.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Fair enough said. I admittedly haven't seen the new Surface models, so, you 
very likely are probably correct on this matter.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 5:13 PM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Hi there,


  The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when 
you hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall 
backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the 
surface book does not make.


  That is why I believe Apple will not go that route.  I pray that I'm correct 
on this.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


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On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


Brant,

I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last 
I tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 
3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.

I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! come 
with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  Now that, 
I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you could twist 
the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be freaking 
awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that would be 
monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind a strong, 
but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.


  Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard 
from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can 
agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.


  Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass 
idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when 
on your lap? Seriously?


  If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


  Contact:


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On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:


I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of 
the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.


Randy
  On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> 
wrote:


  Chris,
  The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as 
on the iPhone now,
  So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
  Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
see how that goes for us.
  From: 
macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: 
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
  What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages 
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
  ---
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- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Hi there,

The surface book, is supposed to be a laptop. The problem with it, is when you 
hold it on your lap, [LAPTOP] if you are not very careful, it will fall 
backwards. The screen is too heavy for the device. Thus, a good laptop, the 
surface book does not make.

That is why I believe Apple will not go that route.  I pray that I'm correct on 
this.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 10:09 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Brant,
>  
> I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I 
> tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 
> 3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.
>  
> I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
> mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
> mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! come 
> with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  Now 
> that, I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you 
> could twist the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be 
> freaking awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that 
> would be monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind 
> a strong, but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea.
> ---
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> Training Instructor.
>  
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Brandt Steenkamp <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups. 
>> com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>> 
>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing 
>> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
>> classified as stupid.
>> 
>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely 
>> used when on your lap? Seriously?
>> 
>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
>>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
>>> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris,
>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
>>>> the iPhone now,
>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>>>> how that goes for us.
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>>> Gilland
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>&g

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You wrote:

Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time 
you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? 

OK, let's see:

  a.. App chooser list
  b.. Window chooser list
  c.. What's in the Voiceover cursor, and where's it located on the screen
  d.. What's at the mouse pointer
  e.. Routing the mouse pointer
  f.. Using VO+F6 to see what items are selected
  g.. Using VO+F8 to open the Voiceover Utility
  h.. Using F12 in ProTools to record
  i.. Using all the macros assigned with Key Maestro to be used with FloTools 
as an extension to ProTools
  j.. Certain vews and settings within Pages, as well as Numbers
  k.. CTRL+F2 for the menu bar for non-Voiceover users
  l.. CTRL+F3 for the Dock for non-Voiceover users
  m.. Command+VO+F8 for the quickstart tutorial to Voiceover
  n.. Certain functions/settings within Main Stage, as well as within Logic Pro 
X
  o.. Certain setting parameters within certain  AAX plugins for ProTools
  p.. Certain parameters witnin different audio units for Logic/Main Stage

As you can see, there are quite a few reasons for the funtion keys to stay in 
some form or another.

Chris.

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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Maybe macOS looks and feels more like iOS now than it did in the past, but it 
is still distinctly macOS.

The touch bar supporting your argument? Not likely. That is like saying having 
a glass track pad supports the argument that the laptop is going to be replaced 
by a tablet, an absurd thought.

Function keys gone being a bad thing? Answer me this, when was the last time 
you used function keys besides for Voiceover and the terminal? And, no, 
changing the volume does not count. If you have any site, you can very easily 
change the volume in the top right of your screen by dragging the slider. Not 
very hard using Voiceover either. The last time I remember using the function 
keys was to turn voiceover on on a Mac I had to use at a friend's.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 29 Oct 2016, at 7:29 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple computers 
> steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is possibly 
> evidence for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys.
> 
> Randy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus
> 
> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
>> 
>> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
>> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
>> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing 
>> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
>> classified as stupid.
>> 
>> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
>> greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a 
>> dumbass idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely 
>> used when on your lap? Seriously?
>> 
>> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> 
>> Brandt Steenkamp
>> 
>> Sent from my Macbook Pro
>> 
>> Contact:
>> 
>> Phone:
>> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
>> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 
>> 
>> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>
>> 
>> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
>>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com 
>>> <mailto:kc4...@me.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
>>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
>>> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>>> 
>>> Randy
>>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>>>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Chris,
>>>>  
>>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
>>>> the iPhone now,
>>>>  
>>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>>  
>>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>>>> how that goes for us.
>>>>  
>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>>> Gilland
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>>  
>>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
>>>> so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
>>>> ---
>>>> Christopher Gilland
>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>>> Training Instructor.
>>>>  
>>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>>> - Origina

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

My guess is that they're trying to slipstreamline everything into one platform. 
This way things are completely universal. Actually, to tell you the truth, 
Having full on OSX on an iPhone/iPad would be a very very much welcome thing, 
in my opinion. I think that could be kind a cool.
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Stegall 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 1:29 PM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple computers 
steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is possibly evidence 
for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys.


  Randy


  Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus

  On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.


Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard 
from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can 
agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.


Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the 
greatest idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass 
idea. Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when 
on your lap? Seriously?


If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.


Warm regards,


Brandt Steenkamp


Sent from my Macbook Pro


Contact:


Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013


Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com


Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp


  On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:


  I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of 
the keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.


  Randy
On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


Chris,

The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
the iPhone now,

So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to 
see how that goes for us.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
    Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages 
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
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Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message -
  From: Ray Foret jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: 
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

  I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From 
the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for 
was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other 
words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple 
press the touch ID.  
  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in 
such a quick turn around on this question.




  Begin forwarded message:

  From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
  Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 
651323126
  Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
  To: scott.grana...@gmail.com

  Hello, 

  Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom 
and Switch Control. For V

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Brant,

I actually really like the idea of the Surface tablets. Honestly, the last I 
tried, touch support with JFW and with NVDA wasn't the greatest on my Surface 
3, but keep in mind, that's an older model.

I don't think the Surfaces were really meant for full fledged laptop use. I 
mean, OK, I... suppose... you could do it, but, why? They're more meant as a 
mobile tablet, and, look at the 4 Pro's and what not.  They actually do! come 
with a full keyboard if you twist the screen around the oppisit way.  Now that, 
I could! see Apple doing. Making a macbook with a keyboard that you could twist 
the display around and collapse into a tablet. Now that! would be freaking 
awesome! But yeah, I echo everything else you said. Otherwise, that would be 
monumentally dumb! I don't know I'd go so far as stupid, that's kind a strong, 
but I'd definitely! agree it wouldn't be the smartest idea.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Brandt Steenkamp 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups. com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.


  Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard 
from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can 
agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.


  Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?


  If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.


  Warm regards,


  Brandt Steenkamp


  Sent from my Macbook Pro


  Contact:


  Phone:
  Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
  For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013


  Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com


  Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp


On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:


I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.


Randy
  On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


  Chris,

  The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on 
the iPhone now,

  So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

  Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
how that goes for us.

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

  What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  i...@gillandmarketing.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
the touch ID.  
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the 
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon 
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

  On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:

  And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

  This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such 
a quick turn around on this question.




Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 
651323126
Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

E! Dear God I hope not!  LOL!

Though I dont' mind the touch bar aproach, I think the whole keyboard being 
that way would be a little much.  I still want a physical keyboard on a laptop, 
as typing with an on screen keyboard can be a bit tedious. I'm decently fast at 
it on the phone/iPad, but it's nothing like typing with both hands home row on 
an actual keyboard.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Randy Stegall 
  To: Mac Visionaries 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:48 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.


  Randy
On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:


Chris,

The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,

So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
how that goes for us.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message -
  From: Ray Foret jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

  I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
the touch ID.  
  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
quick turn around on this question.




  Begin forwarded message:

  From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
  Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
  Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
  To: scott.grana...@gmail.com

  Hello, 

  Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and 
Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

  Apple Accessibility

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
  https://support.apple.com/accessibility

  On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com 
wrote:



Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement 
for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.





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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Actually, from what I'm told, if you press the FN key for a few seconds, that 
bar is apparently then supposed to turn into the 12 function keys. I might be 
incorrect on this, so don't quote me, but that's how I'm at least currently 
understanding it.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:09 AM
  Subject: RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Hi Chris,

   

  I think we’ll find that they have moved or mapped previous function key 
operations to other key presses.

   

  Like what they have done for the vo enabling  so rather than command f5  now 
to command triple click power,

  The function keys will probably be mapped to other things.

   

  But it will be a learning curve to get the old ways out of our mind.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:49 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   

  No worries Ray. I didn't even see it, as he's also on my block list.

  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

   

  i...@gillandmarketing.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.

- Original Message - 

From: Ray Foret jr 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:45 AM

Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

 

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe Chris 
should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about the touch ID 
area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that is, quite frankly, 
beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual respect we all have for each 
other here. 

 

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life 
scum bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.

 

 

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

 

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

 

  On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:

   

Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   Without H2O there is no life!
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com

  On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:



What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
   *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
       Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!




 On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
 <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

 And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
 comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

 This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
 such a quick turn around on this question.





   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com&g

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yeah, I see that now. That's really cool.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Simon Fogarty 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 2:06 AM
  Subject: RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Chris,

   

  The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,

   

  So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

   

  Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
that goes for us.

   

  From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
  Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   

  What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.

  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

   

  i...@gillandmarketing.com
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.

- Original Message - 

From: Ray Foret jr 

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

 

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
the touch ID.  

Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

 

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

 

  On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

   

  And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago. 

   

  This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
quick turn around on this question.

   





Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>

Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT

To: scott.grana...@gmail.com

 

Hello, 

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and 
Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:




  Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement 
for command F5?

  Thanks
  Scott


  P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.



   

   

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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Randy Stegall]

Apple engineers are definitely not stupid. Question, why are apple computers 
steadily moving toward an iOS look and feel? The Touch bar is possibly evidence 
for my argument. We no longer have to press function keys.

Randy

Sent from my iPhone 6 S Plus

> On Oct 29, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Brandt Steenkamp <brandt.steenk...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.
> 
> Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you 
> reckon they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the 
> keyboard from a laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing 
> we all can agree on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be 
> classified as stupid.
> 
> Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
> idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
> Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
> your lap? Seriously?
> 
> If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
> Contact:
> 
> Phone:
> Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181
> For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013
> 
> Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com
> 
> Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
>> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
>> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
>> 
>> Randy
>>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chris,
>>>  
>>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
>>> iPhone now,
>>>  
>>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>>  
>>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>>> how that goes for us.
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>  
>>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
>>> so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
>>> ---
>>> Christopher Gilland
>>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>>> Training Instructor.
>>>  
>>> i...@gillandmarketing.com
>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Ray Foret jr
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
>>> over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>  
>>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
>>> look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for 
>>> was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other 
>>> words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you 
>>> tripple press the touch ID. 
>>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>>> built-in
>>>  
>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>>> 
>>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>>  
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
>>> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>>  
>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
>>> quick turn around on this question.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>  
>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>
>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com
>>>  
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Okay, that is pushing things a bit far.

Firstly, sited people still need and want physical keyboards. Why do you reckon 
they sell Bluetooth keyboards for the iPad? Thus, removing the keyboard from a 
laptop would be a monumentally stupid thing to do. One thing we all can agree 
on, the apple engineering team definitely  cannot be classified as stupid.

Using a touchscreen for their laptop displays, would also not be the greatest 
idea in the world. Look at the Microsoft surface book, what a dumbass idea. 
Apple will never go that route. A laptop that cannot be safely used when on 
your lap? Seriously?

If I am wrong, I would be very surprised.

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

Contact:

Phone:
Private: +27 (0)60 525 9181 
For technical support with iOS: +27 (0)78 120 5013 

Email: brandt.steenk...@gmail.com <mailto:brandt.steenk...@gmail.com>

Twitter: @brandtsteenkamp <http://www.twitter.com/brandtsteenkamp>
> On 29 Oct 2016, at 3:48 PM, Randy Stegall <kc4...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
> keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
> Thus the iOSification will be complete.
> 
> Randy
>> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com 
>> <mailto:si...@blinky-net.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris,
>>  
>> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
>> iPhone now,
>>  
>> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>>  
>> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see 
>> how that goes for us.
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>  
>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
>> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>>  
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> ----- Original Message -
>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>  
>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
>> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
>> pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other 
>> words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you 
>> tripple press the touch ID. 
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>>  
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>>  
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
>> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>  
>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
>> turn around on this question.
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>  
>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>  
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command ke

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Randy Stegall]

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that the touchpad will take the place of the 
keyboard and there will be a software keyboard such as that on iOS devices. 
Thus the iOSification will be complete.

Randy
> On Oct 29, 2016, at 2:06 AM, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
>  
> The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
> iPhone now,
>  
> So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.
>  
> Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
> that goes for us.
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>  
> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message -
> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>  
> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
> pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
> you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
> the touch ID.  
> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in
>  
> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
> 
> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>  
> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>  
> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
> turn around on this question.
>  
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
>  
> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>  
> Hello, 
> 
> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
> know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
> the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
> triple-press the Touch ID button.
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility>
> 
> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
> command F5?
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 
> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
> you.
> 
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RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris,

I think we’ll find that they have moved or mapped previous function key 
operations to other key presses.

Like what they have done for the vo enabling  so rather than command f5  now to 
command triple click power,
The function keys will probably be mapped to other things.

But it will be a learning curve to get the old ways out of our mind.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:49 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

No worries Ray. I didn't even see it, as he's also on my block list.
---
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Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
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- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe Chris 
should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about the touch ID 
area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that is, quite frankly, 
beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual respect we all have for each 
other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life scum 
bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. 
<ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
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   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
   *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
   Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>>
 wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com%0b   
%3cmailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>>
   *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
   651323126*
   *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:*scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

   Hello,

   Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
   and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
   gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
   control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
   VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
   Touch ID button.

   Apple Accessibility

   For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visi

RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Chris,

The power button on the new touch bar is also a touch sensor such as on the 
iPhone now,

So it will read your finger print as well as turn your machine on.

Plus the new machines have a larger touch pad, will be interesting to see how 
that goes for us.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:18 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I 
am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com<mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
From: Ray Foret jr<mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you press 
and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch 
ID.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
turn around on this question.



Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
<accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, 
scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate voice 
over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.



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RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Ray,

Bloody close with your thoughts,
Can see that the command key is like a fail safe option, if it was just power 
then you might turn it off rather than shutting the machine down if it crashs.

Still it goes to show they aren’t sitting doing nothing

Apple are actually putting time in to thinking about how to keep features but 
using other ways of initialising or enabling them.

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Ray Foret jr
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 5:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you press 
and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch 
ID.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados 
<scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
turn around on this question.



Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
<accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, 
scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate voice 
over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.



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RE: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Simon Fogarty]

Thanks Scott,

Very cool,

Now that one is going to come in handy when I’m looking at the new devices in 
retail stores

We don’t have apple stores here, just standard retailers that sell the products,

Their knowledge is very limited
Like buying a car from a marshmellow maker, they really know nothing,

Changing the mac books language to Arabic is one of my favourites,
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2016 8:46 AM
To: MacVisionaries 'Chris Blouch' via <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Subject: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and 
the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
turn around on this question.



Begin forwarded message:

From: Apple Accessibility 
<accessibil...@apple.com<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
To: scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, 
scott.grana...@gmail.com<mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate voice 
over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.


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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[E.T.]

   (smiles) Now if he would only add himself to the blocked list...

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2016 9:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

No worries Ray. I didn't even see it, as he's also on my block list.
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- Original Message -
*From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:45 AM
    *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe
Chris should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro
about the touch ID area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level
like that is, quite frankly, beneeth the standards of proper
behavior and mtual respect we all have for each other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to
low-life scum bags by behaving toward each other in the way your
message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
       *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers,
Fwd:
   Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.
 From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they
actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility
for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.
 See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
   *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
   651323126*
   *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

   Hello,

   Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
   and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses
VoiceOver
   gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
   control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
   VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
   Touch ID button.

   Apple Accessibility

   For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
   http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
   https://support.apple.com/accessibility

   On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
   wrote:


   Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind
user activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is
there a replacement for command F5?

   Thanks
   Scott


   P.S.  Thank you all for your

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

No worries Ray. I didn't even see it, as he's also on my block list.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:45 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe Chris 
should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about the touch ID 
area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that is, quite frankly, 
beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual respect we all have for each 
other here.


  We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life scum 
bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.




  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in



  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:


  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
  blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
  forgive me.
  ---
  Christopher Gilland
  JAWS Certified, 2016.
  Training Instructor.

  i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
  Phone: (704) 256-8010.

 - Original Message -
 *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
 *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
 *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
 *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
     Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

 I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
 the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
 went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
 touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
 and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
 Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
 blind built-in

 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

 Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
 Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



 Begin forwarded message:

 *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
 <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
 *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
 651323126*
 *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
 *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

 Hello,

 Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
 and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
 gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
 control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
 VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
 Touch ID button.

 Apple Accessibility

 For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
 http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
 https://support.apple.com/accessibility

 On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
 wrote:


   Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement 
for command F5?

   Thanks
   Scott


   P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in 
my professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.





   --
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[E.T.]

   Say that to Chris and you are spot on.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2016 9:45 PM, Ray Foret jr wrote:

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe
Chris should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about
the touch ID area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that
is, quite frankly, beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual
respect we all have for each other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life
scum bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com
<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote:

  Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>

On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

   - Original Message -
   *From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
   *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
   <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
   *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
   Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

   I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
   the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
   went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
   touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
   and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
   Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
   blind built-in

   Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

   Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
   Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


   On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
   <scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
   comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

   This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
   such a quick turn around on this question.



   Begin forwarded message:

   *From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
   <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
   *Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
   651323126*
   *Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
   *To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

   Hello,

   Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
   and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
   gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
   control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
   VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
   Touch ID button.

   Apple Accessibility

   For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
   http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
   https://support.apple.com/accessibility

   On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
   wrote:


   Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a
replacement for command F5?

   Thanks
   Scott


   P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day
in my professional life and your accessibility tools make that
possible.  As a network engineer you help this blind professional
every day and I do thank you.





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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

Now now now.  I ask you, ET.  Was that really necessary.  Yes, maybe Chris 
should have known from descriptions of the new Mac book pro about the touch ID 
area:  but, for you to stoop to such a low level like that is, quite frankly, 
beneeth the standards of proper behavior and mtual respect we all have for each 
other here.

We’re all here to help each other;  not to reduce ourselves to low-life scum 
bags by behaving toward each other in the way your message does.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:31 PM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
>   Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Without H2O there is no life!
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
>> blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
>> forgive me.
>> ---
>> Christopher Gilland
>> JAWS Certified, 2016.
>> Training Instructor.
>> 
>> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
>> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> 
>>- Original Message -
>>*From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>>*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>    *Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>>*Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
>>Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>>I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
>>the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
>>went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
>>touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
>>and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
>>Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
>>blind built-in
>> 
>>Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>>Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
>>Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>>On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
>>><scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
>>>comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>> 
>>>This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
>>>such a quick turn around on this question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>>*From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
>>>><mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>>*Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
>>>>651323126*
>>>>*Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>>*To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>>Hello,
>>>> 
>>>>Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
>>>>and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
>>>>gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
>>>>control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
>>>>VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
>>>>Touch ID button.
>>>> 
>>>>Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>>For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>>http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
>>>>https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>>>> 
>>>>On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
>>>>wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
>>>>> activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a 
>>>>> replacement for command F5?
>>>>> 
>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools mak

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Aa. That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.  I wonder how we'll go 
about locating the 12 function keys, and the escape key? I'm not so much 
worried about it, as much as I'm just simply very curious how that will work, 
in general.
---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:42 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  At the very end of the touch bar on the new Mac book Pro, there is a touch ID 
area which also works as a power switch.


  This you press three times while holding down the command key.




  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in



  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, 
so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ray Foret jr
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice 
over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the 
look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
the touch ID.  

  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in



  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the 
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.


This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
quick turn around on this question.




  Begin forwarded message:


  From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>

  Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

  Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT

  To: scott.grana...@gmail.com



  Hello, 

  Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and 
Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

  Apple Accessibility

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
  https://support.apple.com/accessibility

  On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement 
for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.







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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

At the very end of the touch bar on the new Mac book Pro, there is a touch ID 
area which also works as a power switch.

This you press three times while holding down the command key.


Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 11:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so 
> I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
>  
> i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
>> and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> 
>> I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
>> of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
>> pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other 
>> words, you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you 
>> tripple press the touch ID.  
>> Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
>> built-in
>> 
>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,
>> 
>> Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
>> iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!
>> 
>>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
>>> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>>> 
>>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
>>> quick turn around on this question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>> 
>>>> From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com 
>>>> <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
>>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, 
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>>>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>>>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>>>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command 
>>>> key and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>>>> 
>>>> Apple Accessibility
>>>> 
>>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ <http://www.apple.com/accessibility/>
>>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/accessibility>
>>>> 
>>>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>>>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>>>>> command F5?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>>>>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do 
>>>>> thank you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Visionaries list.
>>>  
>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if 
>>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners 
>>> or moderators directly

Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[E.T.]

   Read the quoted text. Its all there. (shakes head)

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Without H2O there is no life!
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 10/28/2016 9:18 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages
blocked, so I am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so
forgive me.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

i...@gillandmarketing.com <mailto:i...@gillandmarketing.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.

- Original Message -
*From:* Ray Foret jr <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
    *Subject:* Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd:
Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From
the look of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually
went for was pressing the command key plus the tripple press of
touch ID.  IN other words, you press and hold down the command key
and while doing so, you tripple press the touch ID.
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon
Wireless iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados
<scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>> wrote:

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the
comments from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in
such a quick turn around on this question.



Begin forwarded message:

*From: *Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
*Subject: **Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up:
651323126*
*Date: *October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
*To: *scott.grana...@gmail.com <mailto:scott.grana...@gmail.com>

Hello,

Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom
and Switch Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver
gestures users already know and love from iOS to navigate and
control the information on display in the Touch Bar. To turn
VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and triple-press the
Touch ID button.

Apple Accessibility

For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
https://support.apple.com/accessibility

On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com
wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.





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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What do you mean by the touch ID. Sorry, I have Scott's messages blocked, so I 
am only seeing 3/4 rather than all of this thread, so forgive me.
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  From: Ray Foret jr 
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  Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 12:00 AM
  Subject: Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over 
and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126


  I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look 
of their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was 
pressing the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, 
you press and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press 
the touch ID.  

  Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in



  Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

  Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!


On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.


This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a 
quick turn around on this question.




  Begin forwarded message:


  From: Apple Accessibility <accessibil...@apple.com>

  Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

  Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT

  To: scott.grana...@gmail.com



  Hello, 

  Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
triple-press the Touch ID button.

  Apple Accessibility

  For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
  http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
  https://support.apple.com/accessibility

  On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user 
activate voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement 
for command F5?

Thanks
Scott


P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank you.







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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Ray Foret jr]

I believe it was I who guessed at the touch ID tripple press.  From the look of 
their answer to you, Scot, seems like what they actually went for was pressing 
the command key plus the tripple press of touch ID.  IN other words, you press 
and hold down the command key and while doing so, you tripple press the touch 
ID.  
Sent from my Mac, The Only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in

Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray,

Still a very happy Comcast XFinity Voice Guidance, Mac, Verizon Wireless 
iPhone7+ and Apple TV user!

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
> 
> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
> turn around on this question.
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility > >
>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key 
>> and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ 
>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>>> command F5?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

That’s my position as well.

They have been doing a good job for years I don’t see that suddenly ending.  
Apple also hires a lot of we blind folks, that’s also a good sign for a forward 
thinking company that has all it’s users in mind.


> On Oct 28, 2016, at 4:51 PM, Brandt Steenkamp  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that Scott,
> 
> Now, hopefully people would stop doing the doubting Thomas thing. When I saw 
> the roomers, I knew apple would sort this out.
> 
> They have pulled threw for years now, why stop?
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Brandt Steenkamp
> 
> Sent from my Macbook Pro
> 
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>> On 28 Oct 2016, at 9:46 PM, Scott Granados > > wrote:
>> 
>> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
>> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
>> 
>> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
>> turn around on this question.
>> 
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: Apple Accessibility >> >
>>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>>> 
>>> Hello, 
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key 
>>> and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>>> 
>>> Apple Accessibility
>>> 
>>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ 
>>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
 voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
 command F5?
 
 Thanks
 Scott
 
 
 P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
 professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
 network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
 you.
 
 
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Re: From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Brandt Steenkamp]

Thanks for that Scott,

Now, hopefully people would stop doing the doubting Thomas thing. When I saw 
the roomers, I knew apple would sort this out.

They have pulled threw for years now, why stop?

Warm regards,

Brandt Steenkamp

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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> On 28 Oct 2016, at 9:46 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
> from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.
> 
> This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
> turn around on this question.
> 
> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> From: Apple Accessibility > >
>> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
>> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
>> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com 
>> 
>> Hello, 
>> 
>> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
>> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users 
>> already know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on 
>> display in the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key 
>> and triple-press the Touch ID button.
>> 
>> Apple Accessibility
>> 
>> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ 
>> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
>> 
>> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>>> command F5?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
>>> you.
>>> 
>>> 
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From Apple accessibility directly, our answers, Fwd: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126

[Scott Granados]

And who had the touch ID triple press, you’re the winner.  See the comments 
from Apple accessibility sent to me just 2 minutes ago.

This sounds better and better and I have to compliment Apple in such a quick 
turn around on this question.


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Subject: Re: Voice over and the new MacBook pro; Follow-up: 651323126
> Date: October 28, 2016 at 3:42:30 PM EDT
> To: scott.grana...@gmail.com
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Thank you for your email. Touch Bar works with VoiceOver, Zoom and Switch 
> Control. For VoiceOver users, Touch Bar uses VoiceOver gestures users already 
> know and love from iOS to navigate and control the information on display in 
> the Touch Bar. To turn VoiceOver on or off, hold the Command key and 
> triple-press the Touch ID button.
> 
> Apple Accessibility
> 
> For more information on Accessibility at Apple, please visit:
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
> https://support.apple.com/accessibility
> 
> On October 28, 2016 at 03:55:04 AM GMT, scott.grana...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi, now that Apple is using the light bar how does a blind user activate 
>> voice over independently with out an F5 key.  Is there a replacement for 
>> command F5?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
>> P.S.  Thank you all for your hard work.  I use Macs every day in my 
>> professional life and your accessibility tools make that possible.  As a 
>> network engineer you help this blind professional every day and I do thank 
>> you.
>> 
>> 

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