subject:"Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S"

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

How do you do the dot calibration?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:25 AM
Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Hello,

I forgot to mention:

I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the iPad.
I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and the 
pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to press 
against the power button with the pinky.
I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as fingers 
always shift a little.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large 
hands and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw 
with for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it 
could be a really efficient input method at least until they fix the other 
input lag issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer 
this to dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles 
beating on it until I figure out the coordination?
I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so 
sure about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's 
possible that one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of 
this logic textbook lol

:)

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

OK, so then, how do you do it?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Calibration is a good point, as it might help resolve the problems Chris is 
running into. Once you get it down, you likely won't need to do it; I did it 
a good amount last year when BSI was new, but I haven't done it at all in 
months. I'm on the 5, though, and that's my only input source, so it's hard 
to get lost or move my fingers on such a small screen. Every user and device 
will be different, and calibration is, for Chris and anyone else running 
into problems, worth trying.

On Oct 9, 2015, at 00:25, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I forgot to mention:

I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the 
iPad.
I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and 
the pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to 
press against the power button with the pinky.
I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as 
fingers always shift a little.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large 
hands and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw 
with for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it 
could be a really efficient input method at least until they fix the 
other input lag issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd 
prefer this to dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge 
cycles beating on it until I figure out the coordination?
I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so 
sure about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's 
possible that one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of 
this logic textbook lol

:)

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Anders Holmberg

Hi!
Sorry for asking this question.
But i never got braille input to work on an ios device.
Even though Alex Hall did a great podcast on it.
Is an iphone 5S maybe a bit to small for a guy like me.
My fingers are very long.
Piano style fingers.
/A
> On 09 Oct 2015, at 04:57, Jeffrey Shockley  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Thank you for explaining this. I was trying to explain what was going on to 
> someone the other day, and we never did come to any real conclusion. We 
> thought it was my phone being crazy. LOL.  I was wondering why it wasn’t 
> working right for me.. Guess this is why. :)
> Thanks again for your help. :)
> Jeffrey
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:37 PM, David Chittenden > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. 
>> VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
>> button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 
>> are on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message 
>> was written with braille screen input in away mode.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland > > wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
>>> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>>>  
>>> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
>>> using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
>>> reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
>>> braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
>>> dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
>>> aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
>>> hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
>>> go:
>>>  
>>> 1 4
>>> 2 5
>>> 3 6.
>>>  
>>> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>>>  
>>> 4 1
>>> 5 2
>>> 6 3.
>>>  
>>> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>>>  
>>> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

When you say quick, how quick is quick?  Are we talking almost drum roll 
quick?

Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>

To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Sorry, that would have been helpful.  It's simple, but you have to do 
it fast: put your right three fingers down, then lift them and put your left 
three fingers down, then lift them. Too slow and you type 4 5 6, 1 2 3, but 
so long as you type both characters in rapid succession, you'll hear an 
announcement about the dots being calibrated, at which point you type like 
normal.
On Oct 9, 2015, at 08:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

OK, so then, how do you do it?

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Calibration is a good point, as it might help resolve the problems Chris 
is running into. Once you get it down, you likely won't need to do it; I 
did it a good amount last year when BSI was new, but I haven't done it at 
all in months. I'm on the 5, though, and that's my only input source, so 
it's hard to get lost or move my fingers on such a small screen. Every 
user and device will be different, and calibration is, for Chris and 
anyone else running into problems, worth trying.

On Oct 9, 2015, at 00:25, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

I forgot to mention:

I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the 
iPad.
I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and 
the pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to 
press against the power button with the pinky.
I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as 
fingers always shift a little.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large 
hands and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone 
to comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to 
screw with for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see 
where it could be a really efficient input method at least until they 
fix the other input lag issues. The default keyboard is reliable but 
slow and I'd prefer this to dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a 
few charge cycles beating on it until I figure out the coordination?
I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so 
sure about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's 
possible that one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of 
this logic textbook lol

:)

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Alex Hall

Sorry, that would have been helpful.  It's simple, but you have to do it 
fast: put your right three fingers down, then lift them and put your left three 
fingers down, then lift them. Too slow and you type 4 5 6, 1 2 3, but so long 
as you type both characters in rapid succession, you'll hear an announcement 
about the dots being calibrated, at which point you type like normal.
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 08:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> OK, so then, how do you do it?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
> 
> 
> Calibration is a good point, as it might help resolve the problems Chris is 
> running into. Once you get it down, you likely won't need to do it; I did it 
> a good amount last year when BSI was new, but I haven't done it at all in 
> months. I'm on the 5, though, and that's my only input source, so it's hard 
> to get lost or move my fingers on such a small screen. Every user and device 
> will be different, and calibration is, for Chris and anyone else running into 
> problems, worth trying.
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 00:25, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I forgot to mention:
>> 
>> I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the iPad.
>> I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and the 
>> pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to press 
>> against the power button with the pinky.
>> I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as fingers 
>> always shift a little.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large 
>>> hands and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
>>> comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw 
>>> with for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it 
>>> could be a really efficient input method at least until they fix the other 
>>> input lag issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer 
>>> this to dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles 
>>> beating on it until I figure out the coordination?
>>> I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
>>> larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
>>> question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so 
>>> sure about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's possible 
>>> that one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of this logic 
>>> textbook lol
>>> :)
>>> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread David Chittenden

No, about a quarter second between right and left. 

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Oct 2015, at 02:21, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> When you say quick, how quick is quick?  Are we talking almost drum roll 
> quick?
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 9:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
> 
> 
> Sorry, that would have been helpful.  It's simple, but you have to do 
> it fast: put your right three fingers down, then lift them and put your left 
> three fingers down, then lift them. Too slow and you type 4 5 6, 1 2 3, but 
> so long as you type both characters in rapid succession, you'll hear an 
> announcement about the dots being calibrated, at which point you type like 
> normal.
>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 08:35, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> OK, so then, how do you do it?
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Alex Hall" <mehg...@icloud.com>
>> To: "'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 12:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
>> 
>> 
>> Calibration is a good point, as it might help resolve the problems Chris is 
>> running into. Once you get it down, you likely won't need to do it; I did it 
>> a good amount last year when BSI was new, but I haven't done it at all in 
>> months. I'm on the 5, though, and that's my only input source, so it's hard 
>> to get lost or move my fingers on such a small screen. Every user and device 
>> will be different, and calibration is, for Chris and anyone else running 
>> into problems, worth trying.
>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 00:25, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I forgot to mention:
>>> 
>>> I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the iPad.
>>> I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and the 
>>> pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to press 
>>> against the power button with the pinky.
>>> I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as 
>>> fingers always shift a little.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat <bleeb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large 
>>>> hands and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
>>>> comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw 
>>>> with for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it 
>>>> could be a really efficient input method at least until they fix the other 
>>>> input lag issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer 
>>>> this to dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles 
>>>> beating on it until I figure out the coordination?
>>>> I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
>>>> larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
>>>> question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so 
>>>> sure about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's 
>>>> possible that one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of 
>>>> this logic textbook lol
>>>> :)
>>>> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

And frankly, if you're a pianest, you should be curving your fingers anyway.  
It's correct technique.  So, my point being, you already should be familiar 
with doing this.  I'm a professional piano player myself, so lying my fingers 
flat isn't very natural, but I did it just to see what would happen, and Alex 
is correct.  It's definitely less reliable.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Friday, October 09, 2015 10:57 AM
  Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S


  I have pretty good-sized hands too, enough that I can use my thumb to hit F# 
on the low E string of a guitar while my other fingers remain on the bottom 
strings; enough that I can, at a stretch, hit an octave plus two keys on a 
piano (not that I can really play one). I've used an iPhone 5 for braille input 
for years, starting with BrailleTouch, up through Mbraille, and now iOS. It's 
easy to do, once you get the right amount of curve in your fingers for your 
hands. Don't hold the fingers flat, curve them like you were in the beginning 
stage of making a fist. They should be arched so that the ends come to rest on 
the screen, but no more than that, and there should be good separation between 
the two hands (but not between the individual fingers of either hand). Again, 
it's hard to explain in text or audio, but hopefully I'm making sense.

On Oct 9, 2015, at 10:37, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:


Hi!
Sorry for asking this question.
But i never got braille input to work on an ios device.
Even though Alex Hall did a great podcast on it.
Is an iphone 5S maybe a bit to small for a guy like me.
My fingers are very long.
Piano style fingers.
/A

  On 09 Oct 2015, at 04:57, Jeffrey Shockley <jawswiz...@gmail.com> wrote:


  Hi,
  Thank you for explaining this. I was trying to explain what was going on 
to someone the other day, and we never did come to any real conclusion. We 
thought it was my phone being crazy. LOL.  I was wondering why it wasn’t 
working right for me.. Guess this is why. :)
  Thanks again for your help. :)
  Jeffrey

On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:37 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello,


When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the 
right. VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are 
on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was 
written with braille screen input in away mode.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


  I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is 
specifically on the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.

  When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I 
am using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 
1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now 
oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 
3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:

  1 4
  2 5
  3 6.

  In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:

  4 1
  5 2
  6 3.

  This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.

  No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?

  Chris.



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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-09 Thread Alex Hall

I have pretty good-sized hands too, enough that I can use my thumb to hit F# on 
the low E string of a guitar while my other fingers remain on the bottom 
strings; enough that I can, at a stretch, hit an octave plus two keys on a 
piano (not that I can really play one). I've used an iPhone 5 for braille input 
for years, starting with BrailleTouch, up through Mbraille, and now iOS. It's 
easy to do, once you get the right amount of curve in your fingers for your 
hands. Don't hold the fingers flat, curve them like you were in the beginning 
stage of making a fist. They should be arched so that the ends come to rest on 
the screen, but no more than that, and there should be good separation between 
the two hands (but not between the individual fingers of either hand). Again, 
it's hard to explain in text or audio, but hopefully I'm making sense.
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 10:37, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Sorry for asking this question.
> But i never got braille input to work on an ios device.
> Even though Alex Hall did a great podcast on it.
> Is an iphone 5S maybe a bit to small for a guy like me.
> My fingers are very long.
> Piano style fingers.
> /A
>> On 09 Oct 2015, at 04:57, Jeffrey Shockley > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Thank you for explaining this. I was trying to explain what was going on to 
>> someone the other day, and we never did come to any real conclusion. We 
>> thought it was my phone being crazy. LOL.  I was wondering why it wasn’t 
>> working right for me.. Guess this is why. :)
>> Thanks again for your help. :)
>> Jeffrey
>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:37 PM, David Chittenden >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. 
>>> VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
>>> button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 
>>> are on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message 
>>> was written with braille screen input in away mode.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> > wrote:
>>> 
 I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically 
 on the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
  
 When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
 using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
 reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
 braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
 dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
 aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
 hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
 go:
  
 1 4
 2 5
 3 6.
  
 In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
  
 4 1
 5 2
 6 3.
  
 This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
  
 No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
  
 Chris.
  
 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread David Chittenden

Hello,

When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. VO 
will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home button 
actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are on the 
left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was written 
with braille screen input in away mode.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>  
> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am using 
> contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's reversed, 
> when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard braille note 
> taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 1 2 and 3, 
> and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now oppisit. 
>  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 3.  so 
> horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:
>  
> 1 4
> 2 5
> 3 6.
>  
> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>  
> 4 1
> 5 2
> 6 3.
>  
> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>  
> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>  
> Chris.
>  
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I am using a 6S.  I've tried explore mode, but even still, it's not really 
helping.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Alex Hall 
  To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 11:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

  This is one of those things I'd like to explain in person, because it's way, 
way easier to show people how this system works when they can feel/see what's 
going on. The next best thing, though, is Explore Mode. Put a finger on the 
screen while BSI is active, and hold it there for a few seconds. After two 
tones sound, VO will tell you about Explore Mode, after which you can move that 
finger around the screen. You'll hear where each dot is, but won't type 
anything. You can even do this with two, three, four, or five fingers if you 
want to, to get a feel for what might register as a b compared to a k, for 
instance.

  What device are you on? I'm on a 5 here, which is the second smallest screen 
available, and the system is quite comfortable. I certainly wouldn't write a 
novel, or even an article, using it, but I'm able to write out reasonably long 
pieces of text with great ease and speed compared to the default keyboard, or 
the time spent fixing dictation errors. I'd strongly encourage you to give it 
another shot, and check out Explore Mode. Also see if Away or Table mode is 
better for you; each person likes one over the other, and now that iOS9 lets 
you lock in the one you prefer, you can find your favorite and never leave it.

On Oct 8, 2015, at 23:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm 
really having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to register 
correctly.

For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same goes 
with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The only way I 
can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like a duck's foot. 
 I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another.  Frankly, this is 
totally unacceptable.

Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll 
give it another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't workin'.  
LOL!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

  Hello,

  When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the 
right. VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are 
on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was 
written with braille screen input in away mode.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is 
specifically on the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.

When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 
1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now 
oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 
3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:

1 4
2 5
3 6.

In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:

4 1
5 2
6 3.

This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.

No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?

Chris.

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Blee Blat

I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large hands 
and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to comfortably 
reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw with for more than 
30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it could be a really efficient 
input method at least until they fix the other input lag issues. The default 
keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer this to dictation. So maybe I just 
need to waste a few charge cycles beating on it until I figure out the 
coordination?
 I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and larger 
screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the question. It's 
good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so sure about UEB but I 
might talk to you off list about that as it's possible that one is user error 
but it sure seems to have made a mess of this logic textbook lol
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Alex Hall

Calibration is a good point, as it might help resolve the problems Chris is 
running into. Once you get it down, you likely won't need to do it; I did it a 
good amount last year when BSI was new, but I haven't done it at all in months. 
I'm on the 5, though, and that's my only input source, so it's hard to get lost 
or move my fingers on such a small screen. Every user and device will be 
different, and calibration is, for Chris and anyone else running into problems, 
worth trying.
> On Oct 9, 2015, at 00:25, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I forgot to mention:
> 
> I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the iPad.
> I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and the 
> pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to press 
> against the power button with the pinky.
> I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as fingers 
> always shift a little.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat  wrote:
>> 
>> I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large hands 
>> and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
>> comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw with 
>> for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it could be a 
>> really efficient input method at least until they fix the other input lag 
>> issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer this to 
>> dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles beating on it 
>> until I figure out the coordination?
>> I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
>> larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
>> question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so sure 
>> about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's possible that 
>> one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of this logic 
>> textbook lol
>> :)
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Alex Hall

Stupid question: are you sure you're in Away mode? In Table mode, things are 
reversed until you force Away mode by turning the screen toward you, then lay 
it flat again, which trips a lot of people up. I've never heard of Away mode 
being reversed, though.

My only other thought is that you've locked the orientation, so it's now in 
whatever orientation you were using at the time and is simply not switching. To 
check, listen to the message you get when you enable BSI; it will say 
"orientation locked" as a part of that message. If it does, unlock it with a 
three-finger swipe up.
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 21:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>  
> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am using 
> contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's reversed, 
> when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard braille note 
> taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 1 2 and 3, 
> and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now oppisit. 
>  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 3.  so 
> horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:
>  
> 1 4
> 2 5
> 3 6.
>  
> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>  
> 4 1
> 5 2
> 6 3.
>  
> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>  
> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>  
> Chris.
>  
> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Devin Prater

Yes, when I don't have my keyboard, and when my braille display just isn't all 
that nice to me, darn battery, I use BSI. Its good for emails, although I hate 
to type messages in it, since you can't yet swipe right with two fingers to 
send yet, as you can press enter on a keyboard to send now, enter in BSI mode 
just makes a new line. :( but besides that, its still in my rotor when I need 
it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:36 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> This is one of those things I'd like to explain in person, because it's way, 
> way easier to show people how this system works when they can feel/see what's 
> going on. The next best thing, though, is Explore Mode. Put a finger on the 
> screen while BSI is active, and hold it there for a few seconds. After two 
> tones sound, VO will tell you about Explore Mode, after which you can move 
> that finger around the screen. You'll hear where each dot is, but won't type 
> anything. You can even do this with two, three, four, or five fingers if you 
> want to, to get a feel for what might register as a b compared to a k, for 
> instance.
> 
> What device are you on? I'm on a 5 here, which is the second smallest screen 
> available, and the system is quite comfortable. I certainly wouldn't write a 
> novel, or even an article, using it, but I'm able to write out reasonably 
> long pieces of text with great ease and speed compared to the default 
> keyboard, or the time spent fixing dictation errors. I'd strongly encourage 
> you to give it another shot, and check out Explore Mode. Also see if Away or 
> Table mode is better for you; each person likes one over the other, and now 
> that iOS9 lets you lock in the one you prefer, you can find your favorite and 
> never leave it.
>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 23:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm really 
>> having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to register 
>> correctly.
>>  
>> For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
>> time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same goes 
>> with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The only way 
>> I can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like a duck's 
>> foot.  I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another.  Frankly, 
>> this is totally unacceptable.
>>  
>> Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll give 
>> it another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't workin'.  
>> LOL!
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> ----- Original Message -
>>> From: David Chittenden
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. 
>>> VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
>>> button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 
>>> are on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message 
>>> was written with braille screen input in away mode.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically 
>>>> on the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>>>>  
>>>> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
>>>> using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
>>>> reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
>>>> braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
>>>> dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
>>>> aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
>>>> hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
>>>> go:
>>>>  
>>>> 1 4
>>>> 2 5
>>>> 3 6.
>>>>  
>>>> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>>>>  
>>>> 4 1
>&

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread David Chittenden

Use dot position calibration each time you start writing. This sets the dots to 
where your fingers are currently tapping the screen. I write everything, even 
dictation whilst others are speaking, with braille screen input.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 16:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm really 
> having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to register 
> correctly.
>  
> For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
> time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same goes 
> with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The only way I 
> can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like a duck's 
> foot.  I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another.  Frankly, 
> this is totally unacceptable.
>  
> Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll give 
> it another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't workin'.  
> LOL!
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: David Chittenden
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
> 
> Hello,
> 
> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. VO 
> will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home button 
> actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are on 
> the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was 
> written with braille screen input in away mode.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
>> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>>  
>> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
>> using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
>> reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
>> braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
>> dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
>> aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
>> hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
>> go:
>>  
>> 1 4
>> 2 5
>> 3 6.
>>  
>> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>>  
>> 4 1
>> 5 2
>> 6 3.
>>  
>> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>>  
>> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread David Chittenden

Hello,

It took me a couple weeks to figure out braille screen input. I practiced every 
day. It is now my primary form of input on my iPhone and my iPad. I usually 
write in 6-dot braille on the iPhone 6+ and the iPhone 5S. I write on both 
phones equally. I also write in contracted braille using UEB, but prefer 
practicing my spelling. On my iPad, I write in computer braille. Unfortunately, 
it is not possible to use 8-dot braille on the iPhone (screen size).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large hands 
> and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
> comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw with 
> for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it could be a 
> really efficient input method at least until they fix the other input lag 
> issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer this to 
> dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles beating on it 
> until I figure out the coordination?
> I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
> larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
> question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so sure 
> about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's possible that 
> one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of this logic 
> textbook lol
> :)
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Jeffrey Shockley

Hi,
Thank you for explaining this. I was trying to explain what was going on to 
someone the other day, and we never did come to any real conclusion. We thought 
it was my phone being crazy. LOL.  I was wondering why it wasn’t working right 
for me.. Guess this is why. :)
Thanks again for your help. :)
Jeffrey
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:37 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. VO 
> will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home button 
> actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are on 
> the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was 
> written with braille screen input in away mode.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com 
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
>> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>>  
>> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
>> using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
>> reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
>> braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
>> dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
>> aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
>> hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
>> go:
>>  
>> 1 4
>> 2 5
>> 3 6.
>>  
>> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>>  
>> 4 1
>> 5 2
>> 6 3.
>>  
>> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>>  
>> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Alex Hall

I use it constantly. If I'm searching somewhere where each character refines 
the search, I don't use it. Just about any other time I need to type, though, 
BSI gets used. It is, hands down, the best feature to come to iOS in years, 
especially given its support for UEB, something that Mbraille still lacks. I've 
become a bit of a BSI evangelist, I think. :)
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 23:40, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, when I don't have my keyboard, and when my braille display just isn't 
> all that nice to me, darn battery, I use BSI. Its good for emails, although I 
> hate to type messages in it, since you can't yet swipe right with two fingers 
> to send yet, as you can press enter on a keyboard to send now, enter in BSI 
> mode just makes a new line. :( but besides that, its still in my rotor when I 
> need it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:36 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@icloud.com 
> <mailto:mehg...@icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
>> This is one of those things I'd like to explain in person, because it's way, 
>> way easier to show people how this system works when they can feel/see 
>> what's going on. The next best thing, though, is Explore Mode. Put a finger 
>> on the screen while BSI is active, and hold it there for a few seconds. 
>> After two tones sound, VO will tell you about Explore Mode, after which you 
>> can move that finger around the screen. You'll hear where each dot is, but 
>> won't type anything. You can even do this with two, three, four, or five 
>> fingers if you want to, to get a feel for what might register as a b 
>> compared to a k, for instance.
>> 
>> What device are you on? I'm on a 5 here, which is the second smallest screen 
>> available, and the system is quite comfortable. I certainly wouldn't write a 
>> novel, or even an article, using it, but I'm able to write out reasonably 
>> long pieces of text with great ease and speed compared to the default 
>> keyboard, or the time spent fixing dictation errors. I'd strongly encourage 
>> you to give it another shot, and check out Explore Mode. Also see if Away or 
>> Table mode is better for you; each person likes one over the other, and now 
>> that iOS9 lets you lock in the one you prefer, you can find your favorite 
>> and never leave it.
>>> On Oct 8, 2015, at 23:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm 
>>> really having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to 
>>> register correctly.
>>>  
>>> For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
>>> time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same 
>>> goes with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The 
>>> only way I can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like 
>>> a duck's foot.  I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another. 
>>>  Frankly, this is totally unacceptable.
>>>  
>>> Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll 
>>> give it another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't 
>>> workin'.  LOL!
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. 
>>>> VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
>>>> button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 
>>>> are on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message 
>>>> was written with braille screen input in away mode.
>>>> 
>>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically

Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on the 
braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.

When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am using 
contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's reversed, 
when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard braille note 
taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 1 2 and 3, 
and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now oppisit.  
So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 3.  so 
horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:

1 4
2 5
3 6.

In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:

4 1
5 2
6 3.

This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.

No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?

Chris.

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Alex Hall

This is one of those things I'd like to explain in person, because it's way, 
way easier to show people how this system works when they can feel/see what's 
going on. The next best thing, though, is Explore Mode. Put a finger on the 
screen while BSI is active, and hold it there for a few seconds. After two 
tones sound, VO will tell you about Explore Mode, after which you can move that 
finger around the screen. You'll hear where each dot is, but won't type 
anything. You can even do this with two, three, four, or five fingers if you 
want to, to get a feel for what might register as a b compared to a k, for 
instance.

What device are you on? I'm on a 5 here, which is the second smallest screen 
available, and the system is quite comfortable. I certainly wouldn't write a 
novel, or even an article, using it, but I'm able to write out reasonably long 
pieces of text with great ease and speed compared to the default keyboard, or 
the time spent fixing dictation errors. I'd strongly encourage you to give it 
another shot, and check out Explore Mode. Also see if Away or Table mode is 
better for you; each person likes one over the other, and now that iOS9 lets 
you lock in the one you prefer, you can find your favorite and never leave it.
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 23:24, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm really 
> having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to register 
> correctly.
>  
> For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
> time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same goes 
> with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The only way I 
> can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like a duck's 
> foot.  I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another.  Frankly, 
> this is totally unacceptable.
>  
> Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll give 
> it another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't workin'.  
> LOL!
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. 
>> VO will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home 
>> button actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 
>> are on the left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message 
>> was written with braille screen input in away mode.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
>>> the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.
>>>  
>>> When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
>>> using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
>>> reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
>>> braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does 
>>> dots 1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things 
>>> aligned now oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right 
>>> hand has 1 2 and 3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would 
>>> go:
>>>  
>>> 1 4
>>> 2 5
>>> 3 6.
>>>  
>>> In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:
>>>  
>>> 4 1
>>> 5 2
>>> 6 3.
>>>  
>>> This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.
>>>  
>>> No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?
>>>  
>>> Chris.
>>>  
>>> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

I'm just finding that even though I don't have big hands/fingers, I'm really 
having to squish the heck out of my fingers to get things to register correctly.

For instance, I tried typing the word Hello.  it's almost like some of the 
time, dot 3 wouldn't register, sometimes dot 1 wouldn't register.  Same goes 
with 4 and 6,  It's like my fingers are too far spread apart.  The only way I 
can seem to get it to work is to practically web my fingers like a duck's foot. 
 I almost literally have to touch my finters to one another.  Frankly, this is 
totally unacceptable.

Braille input may just not be for me.  Oh well, at least I tried.  I'll give it 
another go if you all have an idea, but otherwise, this ain't workin'.  LOL!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2015 10:37 PM
  Subject: Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S


  Hello,


  When you turn the iPhone away from you, have the home button to the right. VO 
will announce home button to the left. This is correct, but the home button 
actually is on the right. Now, Away mode is correct. Dots 1 2 and 3 are on the 
left side, dots 4 5 6 are on the right side. Note: this message was written 
with braille screen input in away mode.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 9 Oct 2015, at 14:50, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


I'm not using a braille display or input keyboard.  This is specifically on 
the braille input rotor setting, which I'm referring to.

When I reach an edit field, and I turn the rotor to braille input, I am 
using contracted braille, not 6 dot, by the way.  I'm noticing that it's 
reversed, when in screen away mode from how things would be on a standard 
braille note taker or Perkins.  You know how normally your left hand does dots 
1 2 and 3, and your right hand does 4 5 and 6?  Well, it has things aligned now 
oppisit.  So on my left hand, I have 4 5 and 6, then my right hand has 1 2 and 
3.  so horizontally, each row normally on a perkins would go:

1 4
2 5
3 6.

In the case of my IPhone 6S, it's going:

4 1
5 2
6 3.

This means I have to turn everything I type backwards.

No? thank you!  Is there a way to fix this?

Chris.


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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread David Chittenden

Hello,

I forgot to mention:

I almost always use away mode on the iPhone, and table-top mode on the iPad.
I hold the phone between my thumbs on the side with the mute switch and the 
pinkys on the opposite side. Note: beware with the 6 and 6+ not to press 
against the power button with the pinky.
I always do the dot position calibration before I start brailling as fingers 
always shift a little.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 9 Oct 2015, at 17:07, Blee Blat  wrote:
> 
> I've been reading this thread and I'm trying this out but I have large hands 
> and long fingers and a 5s and I'm not sure how to hold the phone to 
> comfortably reach the dots. So it's clearly something you have to screw with 
> for more than 30 seconds to get to  work but I could see where it could be a 
> really efficient input method at least until they fix the other input lag 
> issues. The default keyboard is reliable but slow and I'd prefer this to 
> dictation. So maybe I just need to waste a few charge cycles beating on it 
> until I figure out the coordination?
> I'm going to upgrade the phone at some point for the fatter battery and 
> larger screen and quicker processor but that still doesn't negate the 
> question. It's good  of you to remind us that this is efficient. Not so sure 
> about UEB but I might talk to you off list about that as it's possible that 
> one is user error but it sure seems to have made a mess of this logic 
> textbook lol
> :)
> 
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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Blee Blat

Oh, ok, yes I was able to make it work similar to what you're describing. You 
are right that you do have to play with it a bit. I'll screw around with it 
until it works.

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

2015-10-08 Thread Blee Blat

Yeah, it's just training fingers that takes a bit of time but I could see how 
you could get really fast input with that. I type more than I braille but touch 
typing doesn't really lend itself well to tiny devices.

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Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

Re: Incredibly irritating problem with braille input on I O S

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