Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

[Jonathan Cohn]

The standard of command m for minimize has been used by Apple computers since 
the days of MacOS 7. It is possible that you remapped this, also the VO+M 
keystroke brings up menus.

> On Jan 30, 2016, at 02:33, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Chris:
> 
> My recollection is a bit hazy, as my VMware has been borked for
> sometime. I believe I had a somewhat working Orca under VMware 7. I say 
> "somewhat," because
> I was never able to reliably map an Orca key. I did manage to map a few
> select options like Alt+f2 and Alt+f4 that worked most of the time.
> 
> 
> Depressing, actually.
> 
> I had much better luck with Speakup in a Linux console.
> 
> 
> Truth of the matter, however, is that the poor Linux support from VMware
> caused me to ignore my Mac. I only went on one business trip with it,
> actually, because the performance of the Linux VM was so poor. I simply
> went back to my 8 year old Thinkpad which did much better.
> 
> I've been trying to get something going with VMware 8, but now I'm
> having basic Apple issues, e.g. attempting to access Keychain Access (or
> Internet Accounts) quickly gets me to a "busy" message that persists.
> Not a good situation.
> 
> Sorry to be such a bummer, but I'm bummed about this.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Chris Meredith writes:
>> A little late to the party on this one, but I can reproduce the issue of 
>> being stuck in the VMware chrome pretty much EVERY! TIME! on my Windows VM 
>> (my job uses Slack for team communications, and Slack on anything other than 
>> Windows apparently may cause pain, nausea or death).
>> On only a partially related note, how the deuce does anyone get their ORCA 
>> key to map to anything?  I use SharpKeys to emulate the caps lock key in 
>> Windows, but am curious what folks use for Orca under Linux.
>>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Sabahattin:
>>> 
>>> You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
>>> mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
>>> that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
>>> installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
>>> temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
>>> I'll put it back and see whether that helps.
>>> 
>>> My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
>>> access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
>>> Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
>>> and end up in the vm. None of that is working.
>>> 
>>> So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
>>> configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
>>> things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
>>> isn't behaving as before. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for the suggestion.
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
 Hi Janina,
 
 How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
 Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
 
 I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool 
 would reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to 
 know how you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support 
 person helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely 
 possible—in that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you 
 would need to reset them all to your preferences again.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

[Chris Moore]

Karabiner and Seoul

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:04 PM, Chris Meredith  wrote:
> 
> A little late to the party on this one, but I can reproduce the issue of 
> being stuck in the VMware chrome pretty much EVERY! TIME! on my Windows VM 
> (my job uses Slack for team communications, and Slack on anything other than 
> Windows apparently may cause pain, nausea or death).
> On only a partially related note, how the deuce does anyone get their ORCA 
> key to map to anything?  I use SharpKeys to emulate the caps lock key in 
> Windows, but am curious what folks use for Orca under Linux.
>> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Sabahattin:
>> 
>> You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
>> mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
>> that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
>> installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
>> temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
>> I'll put it back and see whether that helps.
>> 
>> My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
>> access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
>> Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
>> and end up in the vm. None of that is working.
>> 
>> So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
>> configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
>> things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
>> isn't behaving as before. 
>> 
>> Thanks again for the suggestion.
>> 
>> Janina
>> 
>> Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
>>> Hi Janina,
>>> 
>>> How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
>>> Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
>>> 
>>> I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool would 
>>> reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to know how 
>>> you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support person 
>>> helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely possible—in 
>>> that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you would need to 
>>> reset them all to your preferences again.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
>>> 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Chris:

My recollection is a bit hazy, as my VMware has been borked for
sometime. I believe I had a somewhat working Orca under VMware 7. I say 
"somewhat," because
I was never able to reliably map an Orca key. I did manage to map a few
select options like Alt+f2 and Alt+f4 that worked most of the time.


Depressing, actually.

I had much better luck with Speakup in a Linux console.


Truth of the matter, however, is that the poor Linux support from VMware
caused me to ignore my Mac. I only went on one business trip with it,
actually, because the performance of the Linux VM was so poor. I simply
went back to my 8 year old Thinkpad which did much better.

I've been trying to get something going with VMware 8, but now I'm
having basic Apple issues, e.g. attempting to access Keychain Access (or
Internet Accounts) quickly gets me to a "busy" message that persists.
Not a good situation.

Sorry to be such a bummer, but I'm bummed about this.

Janina

Chris Meredith writes:
> A little late to the party on this one, but I can reproduce the issue of 
> being stuck in the VMware chrome pretty much EVERY! TIME! on my Windows VM 
> (my job uses Slack for team communications, and Slack on anything other than 
> Windows apparently may cause pain, nausea or death).
> On only a partially related note, how the deuce does anyone get their ORCA 
> key to map to anything?  I use SharpKeys to emulate the caps lock key in 
> Windows, but am curious what folks use for Orca under Linux.
> > On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Sabahattin:
> > 
> > You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
> > mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
> > that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
> > installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
> > temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
> > I'll put it back and see whether that helps.
> > 
> > My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
> > access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
> > Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
> > and end up in the vm. None of that is working.
> > 
> > So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
> > configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
> > things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
> > isn't behaving as before. 
> > 
> > Thanks again for the suggestion.
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
> >> Hi Janina,
> >> 
> >> How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
> >> Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
> >> 
> >> I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool 
> >> would reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to 
> >> know how you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support 
> >> person helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely 
> >> possible—in that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you 
> >> would need to reset them all to your preferences again.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> Sabahattin
> >> 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

[Chris Meredith]

A little late to the party on this one, but I can reproduce the issue of being 
stuck in the VMware chrome pretty much EVERY! TIME! on my Windows VM (my job 
uses Slack for team communications, and Slack on anything other than Windows 
apparently may cause pain, nausea or death).
On only a partially related note, how the deuce does anyone get their ORCA key 
to map to anything?  I use SharpKeys to emulate the caps lock key in Windows, 
but am curious what folks use for Orca under Linux.
> On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:30 PM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, Sabahattin:
> 
> You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
> mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
> that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
> installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
> temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
> I'll put it back and see whether that helps.
> 
> My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
> access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
> Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
> and end up in the vm. None of that is working.
> 
> So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
> configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
> things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
> isn't behaving as before. 
> 
> Thanks again for the suggestion.
> 
> Janina
> 
> Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
>> Hi Janina,
>> 
>> How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
>> Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
>> 
>> I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool would 
>> reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to know how 
>> you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support person 
>> helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely possible—in 
>> that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you would need to 
>> reset them all to your preferences again.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
>> 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi, Sabahattin:

You're correct, and I'll follow through on this. I know I did some
mappings via the VMware settings menus. But I can no longer say whether
that was all the mapping I did. In other words, I did have Karabiner
installed, and it's very likely some mappings came via that app. It's
temporarily off my Mac because it wasn't successfully auto updating.
I'll put it back and see whether that helps.

My biggest problem with the apparent difference is that I can't reliably
access the vm. It used to be that I could release the mouse with
Option+Command and tab into the vm. I could even right arrow past Unity
and end up in the vm. None of that is working.

So, back to the drawing board and the debug process of walking all the
configuration steps. In truth I don't know whether VMware support broke
things, or whether the upgrade broke them. All I really know is that it
isn't behaving as before. 

Thanks again for the suggestion.

Janina

Sabahattin Gucukoglu writes:
> Hi Janina,
> 
> How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System 
> Preferences?  Have you tried looking in there again?
> 
> I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool would 
> reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to know how 
> you think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support person 
> helpfully reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely possible—in 
> that case, of course, your mappings would be lost and you would need to reset 
> them all to your preferences again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
> 
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Re: Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi Janina,

How did you set up your keyboard shortcuts to start with.  System Preferences?  
Have you tried looking in there again?

I actually can’t imagine any situation in which a remote support tool would 
reset the keyboard shortcuts you manually set, but I’m curious to know how you 
think they were set originally.  Unless your remote support person helpfully 
reset them all for you, which I imagine is entirely possible—in that case, of 
course, your mappings would be lost and you would need to reset them all to 
your preferences again.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Keyboard shortcuts broken after VMware's remote support

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Hi Once Again,

In my other two messages about my saga with my upgrade to VMware 8, I've
explained how I successfully got past the problems with VMware's
reliance on Cisco Webex for remote access. I've also described the
partial success VMware Tech Support had fixing my issue. Windows works,
Linux does not. Bummer -- but that's another thread.

VMware seems to have broken my Mac key mappings. Most noticable case in
point ...

Command+M no longer takes me to the menu bar. Rather Vo responds "Minimize."
If I want the menu bar, I have to do Ctrl+F2, a more awkward gesture.

There are other mapping issues as well. For instance, I can't seem to
actually get my keyboard into the Windows vm. I seem stuck in the VMware
chrome on the Mac. I'll have to hack at this one.

Anyone know, or have a thought of what might have happened here? How do
I get my familiar Apple mappings back?

Thanks in advance for any help on this one particularly.

Janina

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