RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Nokia are responsible for a large portion of the mobile technology we have in the world today. I would hope that they aren't going down. And besides, apple like other companys will be gilty of steeling patents from other companys. It's just part of life. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 3:30 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Simon, It does not matter whether Nokia is responsible for most of the technology or not. Many manufacturers are using GSM and I am sure legally. Not being a patent lawyer, there are either royalties paid or fair use rights involved. I would submit that stealing is a rather strong term because stealing implies that the company, such as Apple, in fact committed a crime. There is a lot of hair to be split over this and there is probably some back story that we are not aware of either. Companies may tread heavily into patented technologies, but stealing them outright is a bit to bold since that is an easy case to win. Furthermore, if Nokia was so concerned, they could have sounded the alarm sooner, but likely wanted to wait and see if the iPhone would generate enough revenue to make a case worth the money. That goes back to the whole issue of ROI. I think in the end the whole case will just blow away because Apple will reach into its rather deep pocket and tell Nokia to go away. See Apple has this large pot of money that others really want to help them spend and a lawsuit is one way to help a company unburden itself from all that spare cash. Wow I'm such a conspiracy theorist aren't I? :) On May 10, 2010, at 3:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: Nokia are responsible for a large portion of the mobile technology we have in the world today. I would hope that they aren't going down. And besides, apple like other companys will be gilty of steeling patents from other companys. It's just part of life. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for large companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver in case somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by exploiting those discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path to mutually assured damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, I'm sure I can come up with five of my own you're stepping on, so back off. Then it comes down to messy court battles with suits and countersuits to see who holds the best hand and has the deepest pockets. Sometimes these things get settled and there is a press release about the glorious new world where to friends are going to mutually assist each other by cross-pollinating their technology portfolios. Other times somebody goes down and has to cough up cash. I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were sued by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had these patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality telco over plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along and once they got big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their patents and trounced Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in rolling out a product or service that was lower cost and competed with their own high-margin services? They wouldn't, and with their patents they could make sure nobody else did either. So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's patents and think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were weak/obiovus? Did Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like Apple stumbled upon a better but less profitable way to do something? Maybe they were submarine patents that Nokia held in secret just in case somebody came up with something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers are going to have the time and details to sort all that out. Fun reading on mutually assured damage: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html And the related submarine patent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent CB Bryan Smart wrote: The article says -- During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. -- Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents. Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, and they'll be back to business as usual. Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia can make life very unpleasant for them. The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming alliances of threat. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM To: mac vissionaries Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
IDC released their worldwide stats on smartphone marketshare last Friday. True that Apple is still 3rd, but the notable bit is growth. RIM and Nokia each grew by 45 and 57 percent respectivly but Apple grew by 131%. Apple's volume was only a bit behind RIM (8.8M v. 10.6M) so RIM has to be hearing footsteps running after them, and Apple's growth shows no signs of slowing. They just keep coming our with stuff people want and fixing up weak spots (IDE, Multitasking, AppStore, iBook etc). If I were Nokia I'd start drawing a defensive line and calling in favors while their sales ratios are two to one compared to Apple. This time last year it was more that three to one and it's not an unreasonable bet that next year it will be one to one. http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Worldwide-Converged-Mobile-bw-3286458415.html?x=0 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/apple-iphone-smartphone-market-share-surges-rim-slips/34181 CB Bryan Smart wrote: I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
THanks for sharing the references, I must go read. Btw, VZ had at one time a VOIP service called Voice WIng or something wing and it did disappear apparently a few years ago and this was before they rolled out their Fios service. I would agree this is a really expensive and very entertaining game companies play and we'll have to sit back with a bag of popcorn and a cold beer and see where all this heads. On May 10, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Chris Blouch wrote: Amassing a large portfolio of patents is a common protection method for large companies. Patent anything plausible and add them to your quiver in case somebody sues you. The intent isn't competitive advantage by exploiting those discoveries in your own products, but rather as a path to mutually assured damage. If you sue me for stepping on your patent, I'm sure I can come up with five of my own you're stepping on, so back off. Then it comes down to messy court battles with suits and countersuits to see who holds the best hand and has the deepest pockets. Sometimes these things get settled and there is a press release about the glorious new world where to friends are going to mutually assist each other by cross-pollinating their technology portfolios. Other times somebody goes down and has to cough up cash. I got to experience some of this as a Vonage VOIP customer as they were sued by Verizon under patents they had for doing VOIP. Apparently VZ had these patents for sometime, patents to deliver really cheap high quality telco over plain old IP, and they did nothing. Then Vonage came along and once they got big enough to be a competitor VZ trotted out their patents and trounced Vonage in court. Why would VZ be interested in rolling out a product or service that was lower cost and competed with their own high-margin services? They wouldn't, and with their patents they could make sure nobody else did either. So it will be interesting. Is Apple blatantly stomping on Nokia's patents and think they wouldn't get caught or that the patents were weak/obiovus? Did Nokia have these just in drydock in case somebody like Apple stumbled upon a better but less profitable way to do something? Maybe they were submarine patents that Nokia held in secret just in case somebody came up with something competitive. Only the courts and lawyers are going to have the time and details to sort all that out. Fun reading on mutually assured damage: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/30/1091080437270.html And the related submarine patent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_patent CB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Why do you hope Nokia looses? Just curious. On May 8, 2010, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive environment; 5) the occurrence of any actual or
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
That is true and this has been a pissing contest between Nokia and APple for some time now. It probably will end up coming down to who has the largest bladder. Nokia probably should just sue everyone in this case since it's all about the use of GSM. On May 8, 2010, at 7:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Bryan, You may be right, but keep in mind that Apple didn't start the contest, the good folks at Nokia started and Apple is just positioning themselves. If Apple dropped their claim, I doubt Nokia would do the same. It is very apparent that Nokia has a thing for Apple at the minute and not the other manufacturers of GSM phones. It is of course another way to keep lawyers fat and happy; not to mention clogging the court system. On May 8, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Bryan Smart wrote: The article says -- During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. -- Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents. Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, and they'll be back to business as usual. Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia can make life very unpleasant for them. The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming alliances of threat. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM To: mac vissionaries Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or
RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the popularity of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is suing because they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt used the patents that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the world by many different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at this present time. The old saying, sitting duck springs to mind. No one really believes nokia is scared but they are protecting their future interests. They obviously perceive Apple to be a threat otherwise the other manufacturers would be receiving a lawsuit also. it's called business. On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote: I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Marie, Very well stated and that is exactly what it boils down too. Nokia like other companies feel threaten and the first response is crank up the lawsuit generator and fling lots of legal fecal matter all over the place and hope some sticks. On May 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, marie Howarth wrote: I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the popularity of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is suing because they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt used the patents that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the world by many different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at this present time. The old saying, sitting duck springs to mind. No one really believes nokia is scared but they are protecting their future interests. They obviously perceive Apple to be a threat otherwise the other manufacturers would be receiving a lawsuit also. it's called business. On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote: I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Hi, I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case. From what I have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits. A month ago Apple sued HTC. Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened? Maybe. And about Motorola. lol. If it wasn't for Android and the release of the Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game. Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy. So I think Motorola being as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business being killed than the iPhone. lol. Like I said. Motorola didn't have a smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter. On May 9, 2010, at 1:38 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Marie, Very well stated and that is exactly what it boils down too. Nokia like other companies feel threaten and the first response is crank up the lawsuit generator and fling lots of legal fecal matter all over the place and hope some sticks. On May 9, 2010, at 12:36 PM, marie Howarth wrote: I hate to tell you but I'm not from the US. I am highly aware of the popularity of nokias, seen as I live in Europe but it's a case of nokia is suing because they seem to think they can. Other manufacturers have no doubt used the patents that Apple are being accused of, GSM is used all over the world by many different manufacturers so Apple's merely an easy target at this present time. The old saying, sitting duck springs to mind. No one really believes nokia is scared but they are protecting their future interests. They obviously perceive Apple to be a threat otherwise the other manufacturers would be receiving a lawsuit also. it's called business. On 9 May 2010, at 16:29, Bryan Smart wrote: I know we love our iPhones here, but to act like Nokia is terrified and on the ropes is silly. Do you know that 2 out of every 5 smartphones in the world are Nokias. Their 40% market share is mamoth when compared to Apple's 17%. BlackBerries stil out-sell iPhones. It's great that Apple sold nearly 9,000,000 iPhones last quarter, but, in the same time, Nokia sold 21,000,000. As big as the iPhone is here in the US, I think that a lot of people forget just how popular Nokia is nearly everywhere else in the world. These patent battles happen all of the time. Qualcom was the big focus a few years ago. Nokia and Apple will maneuver for a while, they'll come to some agreement that I won't sue you for this patent if you don't sue me for that one, and then they'll both try to take a swing at RIM. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 8:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents and that is the point. Nokia's suffering so what do they do, hit the company that potentially has the most money. On 9 May 2010, at 11:49, Kaare Dehard wrote: sounds to me like they are timing this right, results are down for Nokia right now and they're probably trying to do this to cut some losses witha fat lisencing contract. On 2010-05-08, at 11:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios,
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides really dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable chunk of change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has to be some motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In Apple's case the counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is pretty standard protocol. So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars for every iPhone sold since it was introduced and going forward. This means they need money or they would have done this several years ago. This is based on what I have read about this over the last many months and it makes about as much sense as half the lawsuits filed anymore. On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case. From what I have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits. A month ago Apple sued HTC. Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened? Maybe. And about Motorola. lol. If it wasn't for Android and the release of the Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game. Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy. So I think Motorola being as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business being killed than the iPhone. lol. Like I said. Motorola didn't have a smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
No, They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit. That threatened angle just don't jive here. Their both have sued each other. So are they both threatened? lol. I think this is just how big business get back at each other. It is a legal shoving match. No more, no less, in my opinion. We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation. Many times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :) On May 9, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote: So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides really dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable chunk of change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has to be some motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In Apple's case the counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is pretty standard protocol. So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars for every iPhone sold since it was introduced and going forward. This means they need money or they would have done this several years ago. This is based on what I have read about this over the last many months and it makes about as much sense as half the lawsuits filed anymore. On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case. From what I have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits. A month ago Apple sued HTC. Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened? Maybe. And about Motorola. lol. If it wasn't for Android and the release of the Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game. Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy. So I think Motorola being as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business being killed than the iPhone. lol. Like I said. Motorola didn't have a smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
It's sad but let's hope that apple does not have to redoo the iphone or get rid of it all together. We'll see. Take care to all. On May 9, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: No, They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit. That threatened angle just don't jive here. Their both have sued each other. So are they both threatened? lol. I think this is just how big business get back at each other. It is a legal shoving match. No more, no less, in my opinion. We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation. Many times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :) On May 9, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Scott Howell wrote: So, if Nokia is not feeling threaten, then why bother? There is a motivating reason because litigation in any form will cost money and if both sides really dig in their heels, it could end up costing both sides a considerable chunk of change. It all goes back to return on investment (ROI). There has to be some motivation and some outcome that will benefit either side. In Apple's case the counter suit is in response to Nokia's suit, which is pretty standard protocol. So, what does Nokia expect to gain? Well X dollars for every iPhone sold since it was introduced and going forward. This means they need money or they would have done this several years ago. This is based on what I have read about this over the last many months and it makes about as much sense as half the lawsuits filed anymore. On May 9, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think Nokia feels particularly threaten in this case. From what I have read it is Apple and Nokia just trading lawsuits. A month ago Apple sued HTC. Do you think Apple did it because they were threatened? Maybe. And about Motorola. lol. If it wasn't for Android and the release of the Droid in the last year, they would be non existent in the smart phone game. Motorola is up for sale but no one wants to buy. So I think Motorola being as cutting edge as a bag of potato chips is more a reason for their business being killed than the iPhone. lol. Like I said. Motorola didn't have a smart phone out until the Droid came out in the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to entertain themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the battle. Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or quietly dies in a corner. On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: No, They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit. That threatened angle just don't jive here. Their both have sued each other. So are they both threatened? lol. I think this is just how big business get back at each other. It is a legal shoving match. No more, no less, in my opinion. We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation. Many times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Never will happen. Apple would never allow themselves to be run off do to Nokia's lawsuit. On May 9, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: It's sad but let's hope that apple does not have to redoo the iphone or get rid of it all together. We'll see. Take care to all. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Agreed. :) On May 9, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to entertain themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the battle. Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or quietly dies in a corner. On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: No, They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit. That threatened angle just don't jive here. Their both have sued each other. So are they both threatened? lol. I think this is just how big business get back at each other. It is a legal shoving match. No more, no less, in my opinion. We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation. Many times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
I agree with Scot - this will die, but I think it will die in a secret office after an expencive meal plus drinks and will involve a large amount of notes - after all, that's what nokia's after really. On 10/05/2010, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed. :) On May 9, 2010, at 7:34 PM, Scott Howell wrote: We can agree on the fact that this is just how big business like to entertain themselves, but what I am saying is that Nokia started the battle. Either way, it'll be interesting to see if it actually goes anywhere or quietly dies in a corner. On May 9, 2010, at 6:33 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: No, They could just be annoyed at apples lawsuit. That threatened angle just don't jive here. Their both have sued each other. So are they both threatened? lol. I think this is just how big business get back at each other. It is a legal shoving match. No more, no less, in my opinion. We live in a country were people sue for the slightest provocation. Many times itS just a tool, like a stick, to poke people who get on your nerves. :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive environment; 5) the occurrence of any actual or even alleged defects or other quality, safety or security issues in our products and services and their combinations; 6) the development of the mobile and fixed communications industry and general economic conditions globally and regionally; 7) our
RE: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
The article says -- During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. -- Not 11,000 patents, but 11,000 patent families. Probably way, way more patents. Microsoft, Apple, and IBM also have patent libraries that you wouldn't believe. They're held in reserve like strategic nuclear weapons. If you make a widget with a button on it, IBM probably owns a patent, coiling kinetic energy storage system to inhibit task activation, I.E. the spring in your button. If you use a membrane panel instead, Nokia probably owns a patent, polymer device for inhibiting closed electrical circuit through conical relief cells. You might not know that, and go on building your widgets for a while. They might not even care. One day, though, if they want you out of business, they'll show up, demand a licensing fee for your springs, and, if you don't pay, they'll file and injunction and take away your springs. If you switch to membranes, they'll sue your supplier for patent infringement. If you think that sounds crazy, then you'll have to prove it in court. By the time you do, you'll be out of money, and they'll be back to business as usual. Although, after going after Nokia with some silly obvious patents, Apple deserves to get a little taste of its own medicine. Nokia doesn't expect to win. They are just telling Apple that, if they don't drop their claims, Nokia can make life very unpleasant for them. The patent system needs to die. It's just a way to shut the small guy out while giving the big boys tools to use for threatening each other and forming alliances of threat. Bryan -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 5:54 PM To: mac vissionaries Subject: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
agreed. I do wonder what will come out of it though? I hoep nokia looses big time On May 8, 2010, at 4:14 PM, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive environment; 5) the occurrence of any actual or even alleged defects or other quality, safety or security issues in our products and services and
Re: o.t, maybe. Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents
Poeple are very picky about there pattents. I realise the good of patents but one misuse and you are inb ig trouble. S On May 8, 2010, at 4:58 PM, marie Howarth wrote: there's more patent law suits than I care to think about. On 9 May 2010, at 00:14, Ben Mustill-Rose wrote: Yet another boring lawsuit. I really think this type of thing is just to see who can score browny points against another company; it's not really in the interest of consumers, despite what nokia will tell you. On 08/05/2010, Sarah Alawami marri...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: NOKIA - Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents NOKIA Nokia sues Apple in Wisconsin for infringement of Nokia patents Espoo, Finland - Nokia announced that it has today filed a complaint against Apple with the Federal District Court in the Western District of Wisconsin, alleging that Apple iPhone and iPad 3G products infringe five important Nokia patents. The patents in question relate to technologies for enhanced speech and data transmission, using positioning data in applications and innovations in antenna configurations that improve performance and save space, allowing smaller and more compact devices. These patented innovations are important to Nokia's success as they allow improved product performance and design. Nokia has been the leading developer of many key technologies in mobile devices said Paul Melin, General Manager, Patent Licensing at Nokia. We have taken this step to protect the results of our pioneering development and to put an end to continued unlawful use of Nokia's innovation. During the last two decades, Nokia has invested approximately EUR 40 billion in research and development and built one of the wireless industry's strongest and broadest IPR portfolios, with over 11,000 patent families. Nokia is a world leader in the development of handheld device and mobile communications technologies, which is also demonstrated by Nokia's strong patent portfolio. About Nokia At Nokia, we are committed to connecting people. We combine advanced technology with personalized services that enable people to stay close to what matters to them. Every day, more than 1.2 billion people connect to one another with a Nokia device - from mobile phones to advanced smartphones and high-performance mobile computers. Today, Nokia is integrating its devices with innovative services through Ovi (www.ovi.com), including music, maps, apps, email and more. Nokia's NAVTEQ is a leader in comprehensive digital mapping and navigation services, while Nokia Siemens Networks provides equipment, services and solutions for communications networks globally. FORWARD-LOOKING STATEMENTS It should be noted that certain statements herein which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements, including, without limitation, those regarding: A) the timing of the deliveries of our products and services and their combinations; B) our ability to develop, implement and commercialize new technologies, products and services and their combinations; C) expectations regarding market developments and structural changes; D) expectations and targets regarding our industry volumes, market share, prices, net sales and margins of products and services and their combinations; E) expectations and targets regarding our operational priorities and results of operations; F) the outcome of pending and threatened litigation; G) expectations regarding the successful completion of acquisitions or restructurings on a timely basis and our ability to achieve the financial and operational targets set in connection with any such acquisition or restructuring; and H) statements preceded by believe, expect, anticipate, foresee, target, estimate, designed, plans, will or similar expressions. These statements are based on management's best assumptions and beliefs in light of the information currently available to it. Because they involve risks and uncertainties, actual results may differ materially from the results that we currently expect. Factors that could cause these differences include, but are not limited to: 1) the competitiveness and quality of our portfolio of products and services and their combinations; 2) our ability to timely and successfully develop or otherwise acquire the appropriate technologies and commercialize them as new advanced products and services and their combinations, including our ability to attract application developers and content providers to develop applications and provide content for use in our devices; 3) our ability to effectively, timely and profitably adapt our business and operations to the requirements of the converged mobile device market and the services market; 4) the intensity of competition in the various markets where we do business and our ability to maintain or improve our market position or respond successfully to changes in the competitive
