Re: Just waht is off topic here
Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
I agree. I don't think it's a huge deal to go through and delete messages. I think we should be mindful of how many offtopic posts we post and the huge majority should be mac stuff, but if there's the odd offtopic post that someone thinks would be interesting to all, especially if it could be related to mac OS10 somehow, I think it should be okay to post it. the delete key is your friend if you don't wanna read something. and in mail, they make it so easy since you can just go to the subject column. On 25-Mar-09, at 8:10 AM, Marshall Scott wrote: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Count me in amongst those who agree, and we have the VoBs list as well why should we have another one? /Krister 25 mar 2009 kl. 16.10 skrev Marshall Scott: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Exctly. What's the point of having three mac lists? On Mar 25, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Count me in amongst those who agree, and we have the VoBs list as well why should we have another one? /Krister 25 mar 2009 kl. 16.10 skrev Marshall Scott: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
smile Are you guys *trying* to make my life difficult? lol! The vote on this already happened last week and everyone was told about it in advance. the results came in and I posted them. So please, can we simply get back to the topics at hand?… I'm posting this to the list now as it seems many people are not understanding a certain aspect of this issue. So I'll explain here… Quite simply, some listers are paying dynamically for bandwidth they use. So, the amount of time it takes them to download email (yes, even including this one) is important. So, if they find that their inbox is then riddled with non-informational posts, no amount of pressing their delete key will get their money back. Not everyone is as fortunate to have basically free-flowing internet access at their disposal. so do we really want to simply not care about those listers whom would really like to stay on the list for its informational value, when all it would take on our parts, to ease this situation is simply to take just a second before sending a message to decide whether it's truly necessary / on-topic for the list?… This is all I'm asking here… some people also have time constraints. Do we want to not care about them as well, when all it would take, on our part, as above, is simply a second or two to decide if something is really of value for others to take time reading?… NOw we obviously don't have to care about these people, afterall, you don't really even know them, and so their concerns or issues aren't going to matter to you in your daily lives, and this is afterall, only a mailing list, but is that the kind of people we really are?… I honestly don't think so. I'm sure this is easy enough for us to manage. This doesn't need to be an issue?… -Yes?… We are only a mailing list, -not an 'us and them' situation. We are one group of people, so it would benefit us in this situation, to think like that. smile It's really simple, and doesn't need to be a huge deal!… Okay, enough from me for now… Please feel free to post to me privately with any more on this if you all would be so kind?… Thanks so much and have a wonderful day!… smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 25, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Marshall Scott wrote: Hi Folks, Make it 4 votes. I really don't want another list. I fear that people will have something that just has to be cross posted to every list even vaguely related to a topic. I can use the delete key quite effectively if the subject is not of interest. Marsh On Mar 24, 2009, at 10:11 PM, peter Apgar wrote: Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
We had a poll where we could vote between letting this list go unmoderated or keep it moderated, and there were a majority who voted to moderate it. So its curious that now suddenly there are people coming out of the woodwork saying that they would like it unmoderated. It's one or the other. Merely telling people to be mindful of what they post is rather pointless since that clearly hasn't worked in the past. And what about those short I agree messages, or way to go so in so messages that people send to chat with others? This will also keep persisting since it practically requires computer savy to make your client respond to just the sender. Under OS X you have to open the message, VO space over the sender, and in the context menu that comes up you have to press enter on respond to sender or new message. Really no one is going to do that, particularly if they didn't want to have to worry about the difference between respond to first and respond all. I tend to not say anything about it on this list because on one side, it seems like something that is inevitable, and on the other side, something that I see could be annoying. I just couldn't resist making this observation. Justin Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia. Charles Schultz, creator of the Peanuts comic strip. El 25/03/2009, a las 10:32, Chris Blouch escribió: I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I
Re: Just waht is off topic here
agreed, Chris. well said. On 25-Mar-09, at 10:32 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm certainly guilty of being off topic and worthy of the ban. At the same time I'd like to think some lenience for off topic posts which have broad appeal to this list's readership has some positive benefit to the community. For myself this is one of the few public mailing list I subscribe to. So I both appreciate and try to support some level of contributions that are not necessarily Mac/VO related. That said, I am not really as interested in reading about new Windows or Jaws features via this list. My expectation is that the content will be at around 90% Mac/VO and the rest general accessibility related. Strict enforcement of Mac/VO topics control may be impossible on one hand and possibly detrimental on the other. CB Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Just waht is off topic here
Hi Greg, well you answered your own question. :-) Anything Mac- related is certainly on topic. I'm sure sorry you feel like this is 'wrath' but I've gotten *many* requests / complaints from list members whom pay for bandwidth, or have limited time in which to read list mail, but whom would really like to stay on the list for it's informational value. However, a lot of the more 'chatty' messages really get in the way for them. So far these people constitute the majority of whom I'm hearing from, so I need to take that as the general list consensus. This is, afterall, your list. If you all said Cara, I want a chat list, then that's what this would be, and I'd never even consider posting the kind of thing I did earlier. -But that's not what you're saying to me. the list is saying that there is too much traffic that isn't relevant, so that's what I'm trying to address as list moderator. Does this make sense?… So, since this is currently the case, when someone deliberately posts something that they, themselves have even labeled as 'Off Topic,' considering that I've posted very nice / polite requests numerous times, I then feel that a post like my earlier one is warranted. I most certainly don't want to ban anyone nor do I want this list to become a tyrannical place which no one enjoys. :-) what's the fun in that? However, if I keep asking nicely yet people keep feeling that it doesn't apply to them and go on posting notes they're kindly asked not to, then I'm not left with much choice in the matter, yes?… In order for this list to work well together, we need to have at least some respect for eachother and awareness that not everyone has the same access to plentiful internet time, nor do we all have the same sorts of leisurely schedules in which to lazily read vast amounts of email. So since we're all different, we just need to find a good consensus we can come to, that's all… Now, you do raise a really good point in the sense of asking exactly what and what is not on-topic, since I'm planning to edit the Welcome message if needed, so I'll try to be as clear as I can. I certainly don't want there to be any ambiguity and I certainly don't want anyone to feel they need to worry about what they're posting. Anyway, I hope this helps answer the question, and I wish you / yours a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn On Mar 24, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Greg Kearney wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Just waht is off topic here
Motion has been seconded and the vote is being counted. Three yeas . -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tiffany D Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just waht is off topic here Agreed. Those of us who use VoiceOver may not be on all the technology lists and if it's something that benefits us all, I think we should hear about it. On 24/03/2009, Greg Kearney gkear...@gmail.com wrote: Just what qualifies as off topic and can there by bring down the wrath of the moderators here. If I had, for example included a post saying that I had worked out a bill scanner under OS X would that be permitted? I think we could stand to grant some slack here so long as it is somewhat related to VO and the Mac and or similar technologies. Greg Kearney 535 S. Jackson St. Casper, Wyoming 82601 307-224-4022 gkear...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
