Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Gerard Doody]

Hi gents thanks this was a great thread.  I still may have to call 
accessibility to ensure I can get my new Mac working with the phones.  Thanks 
again. Jerry Doody 

> On Aug 25, 2019, at 10:38 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi,
> 
> Glad it worked.  The message syncing is an awesome feature, but I certainly 
> understand the frustrations when things don't work the way you believe that 
> they are supposed to.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
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> On Aug 24, 2019, at 18:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
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> On 8/24/2019 5:41 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
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>> will suddenly be resolved, as well. Thanks for doing that extra digging.
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Glad it worked.  The message syncing is an awesome feature, but I certainly 
understand the frustrations when things don't work the way you believe that 
they are supposed to.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 18:57, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Hey that is great. Tim is the #1 asset to this group.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com 
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/24/2019 5:41 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Eureka! Key Chain did it! Hard to believe that something seemingly so 
> unrelated could have such an impact. I’ll bet that some other nagging issues 
> will suddenly be resolved, as well. Thanks for doing that extra digging.
> Dave Carlson
> Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Hey that is great. Tim is the #1 asset to this group.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/24/2019 5:41 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Eureka! Key Chain did it! Hard to believe that something seemingly so unrelated 
could have such an impact. I’ll bet that some other nagging issues will 
suddenly be resolved, as well. Thanks for doing that extra digging.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer





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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Eureka! Key Chain did it! Hard to believe that something seemingly so unrelated 
could have such an impact. I’ll bet that some other nagging issues will 
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   That is where the Sync Now button is located.

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
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On 8/24/2019 3:50 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Starting with Toolbar… Settings Tab (selected) Blocked tab, Apple ID, [my 
appleid], Sign Out button, Enable this Account checked, You can be reached for 
messages at,  at, Table (includes my phone number and my email, phone number is 
checked, email is not), Send read receipts unchecked, When this is checked…, 
[phone number[ start new conversations from  dim, pop up button help button.

That’s it.
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Two-factor is definitely enabled. I’ll check on the Key Chain.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Starting with Toolbar… Settings Tab (selected) Blocked tab, Apple ID, [my 
appleid], Sign Out button, Enable this Account checked, You can be reached for 
messages at,  at, Table (includes my phone number and my email, phone number is 
checked, email is not), Send read receipts unchecked, When this is checked…, 
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That’s it.
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

According to this support article from Apple:

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208532 


You need both 2FA (Two Factor Authentication) enabled and iCloud Keychain 
enabled along with a few encouragements to make sure all MacOS and iOS devices 
are updated to the latest versions.  This may be your issue.  These items can 
be enabled within the iCloud pane of System Prefs.

If you need help, let us know.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:32, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

You can ignore my last question.  So, without that checkbox in your Messages 
Prefs window, how do you know that Messages on your Mac is syncing to iCloud?  
That is the box that needs checked in order that Messages does the syncing we 
have. been speaking about.  Do you have Two Factor Authentication enabled for 
your Apple ID?  Does iCloud seem to be signed in properly in System Prefs?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
wrote:

Hi,

So what items are in the Settings tab of the iMessages pane?  Use VO-right to 
go through them please.  Just the basic items, not the details within all the 
tables, if possible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:25, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Sorry, I did exactly that. No “Sync Now” button. Two tabs, Settings and 
Blocked, and that button shows up nowhere. Not in the Toolbar, either, BTW.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

You can ignore my last question.  So, without that checkbox in your Messages 
Prefs window, how do you know that Messages on your Mac is syncing to iCloud?  
That is the box that needs checked in order that Messages does the syncing we 
have. been speaking about.  Do you have Two Factor Authentication enabled for 
your Apple ID?  Does iCloud seem to be signed in properly in System Prefs?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:29, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Hi,

So what items are in the Settings tab of the iMessages pane?  Use VO-right to 
go through them please.  Just the basic items, not the details within all the 
tables, if possible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:25, Dave Carlson mailto:dgcarl...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Sorry, I did exactly that. No “Sync Now” button. Two tabs, Settings and 
Blocked, and that button shows up nowhere. Not in the Toolbar, either, BTW.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Hi,

So what items are in the Settings tab of the iMessages pane?  Use VO-right to 
go through them please.  Just the basic items, not the details within all the 
tables, if possible.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 16:25, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Sorry, I did exactly that. No “Sync Now” button. Two tabs, Settings and 
Blocked, and that button shows up nowhere. Not in the Toolbar, either, BTW.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, Woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer



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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

That’s where the difference list. I do not have a checkbox mentioning iCloud at 
all. Just enable this account, a table to allow me to select my phone number or 
email to use,  but nothing about iCloud in the iMessage settings.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Sorry, I did exactly that. No “Sync Now” button. Two tabs, Settings and 
Blocked, and that button shows up nowhere. Not in the Toolbar, either, BTW.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Hi,

Hmmm.  In the iMessages tab of Messages Prefs, with Settings selected, you 
should have your Apple ID and a Sign Out button, then the checkbox for enabling 
Messages in the Cloud, and one VO-right from that is a "Sync Now" button, then 
the rest of the items such as the table with the list of iMessage addresses 
connected with that Apple ID account.

Regarding the left over text from a previous message in the Mac version of 
Messages, that seems to be a bug or some residual syncing issue.  I've seen 
that one lots as well.  I've just got in a habit of making sure to check that 
the field is empty before typing and sending.  I've got caught a few times.  
When in the field, I just do a cmd-a to select all, then press the Delete key.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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On Aug 24, 2019, at 14:57, Dave Carlson  wrote:

BTW there is no “Sync Now” button in the Messages Preferences pane, neither 
General nor iMessages.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Dave,
   Open Messages preferences. On the toolbar, select iMessage. You will 
find the Sync Now button.


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Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 8/24/2019 1:57 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

BTW there is no “Sync Now” button in the Messages Preferences pane, neither 
General nor iMessages.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Yep. Same behavior for me. And to me that is definitely not expected behavior.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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BTW there is no “Sync Now” button in the Messages Preferences pane, neither 
General nor iMessages.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Yes, and yes to both. As I said, any current messages are now synched, but 
everything in the past never updates, and deletions of those old ones do not 
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Petrus Tuerlings]

Hi all,
I’ve been keeping up with this thread but now I’m a bit confused. My messages 
on both devices seem to be sinking okay and if I message my wife on my Mac 
it’ll update on the iPhone and the other way around. However if I delete a 
message thread on the phone it’ll stay on the Mac and vice versa. Is this 
normal? 
Now I know this isn’t normal. I messaged my wife from the Mac early on in the 
week as my phone was charging in the bedroom and I was making breakfast and my 
Mac was near by on the dining table. The message went through fine, but a 
couple of days later I went to message her again using the Mac and the edit 
field in the messages app still had the first line of text in it from a couple 
of days  before. Even tho the entire message got sent. This has happened quite 
a few times. 

> On 25/08/2019, at 6:43 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In Messages Prefs on your Mac, in the General pane, do you have it set to 
> "Forever" there?  I believe that you had it set to "Forever" on your phone, 
> but just making sure that it's set on the Mac as well.  In the Accounts pane 
> in Messages Prefs on the Mac, make sure that your phone number is checked.  
> Have you pressed the "Sync Now" button in that pane?
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 24, 2019, at 09:08, Dave Carlson  > wrote:
> 
> Good to hear that it’s working for some. But none of my past conversations 
> have updated on the Mac. They are all current on the iPhone, which is the 
> older of my two devices. I’ve only had my Mac connected up for a couple 
> months, so I think that is at the root of why my older conversations are not 
> updating. But why they do not update is the question. I would expect them to 
> do so via iCloud, and those older ones are not. The Mac has no idea that they 
> are much newer. The conversations I do have on the Mac were originally 
> gathered when I first set up the Mac. Something is not right.
> 
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

In Messages Prefs on your Mac, in the General pane, do you have it set to 
"Forever" there?  I believe that you had it set to "Forever" on your phone, but 
just making sure that it's set on the Mac as well.  In the Accounts pane in 
Messages Prefs on the Mac, make sure that your phone number is checked.  Have 
you pressed the "Sync Now" button in that pane?

Later...


Tim Kilburn
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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 09:08, Dave Carlson  wrote:

Good to hear that it’s working for some. But none of my past conversations have 
updated on the Mac. They are all current on the iPhone, which is the older of 
my two devices. I’ve only had my Mac connected up for a couple months, so I 
think that is at the root of why my older conversations are not updating. But 
why they do not update is the question. I would expect them to do so via 
iCloud, and those older ones are not. The Mac has no idea that they are much 
newer. The conversations I do have on the Mac were originally gathered when I 
first set up the Mac. Something is not right.

Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

Good to hear that it’s working for some. But none of my past conversations have 
updated on the Mac. They are all current on the iPhone, which is the older of 
my two devices. I’ve only had my Mac connected up for a couple months, so I 
think that is at the root of why my older conversations are not updating. But 
why they do not update is the question. I would expect them to do so via 
iCloud, and those older ones are not. The Mac has no idea that they are much 
newer. The conversations I do have on the Mac were originally gathered when I 
first set up the Mac. Something is not right.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Hmmm.  Just to add to the other side of the coin.  Other than sometimes being 
slow to sync, mine works as it should.  Even complicated scenarios.  For 
example, while I was in England through July, I used an EE sim card and thus a 
UK phone number.  This new number automatically added to my Apple ID, and I 
initiated past conversations so that folks would have my UK number in case they 
needed to contact me.  All conversations, whether individual or multiple group 
style conversation, re-synced themselves so that I maintained the same threads. 
 Upon my return to Canada, I put my Telus sim card back in my iPhone and had a 
challenge for for the rest of the day as one of my group conversations had 
duplicated.  This fixed itself overnight and now everything is back to the way 
it should be.  In the big scheme of things, this scenario was fairly 
complicated, and the Messages iCloud syncing process worked.  My messages are 
also set to keep things forever and back conversations are fine.  So, my point 
is that I don't believe that Apple dropped the ball on this one at all.  It 
works properly for some and others appear to have issues.  We just need to 
figure out the process for clearing up those issues.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 24, 2019, at 07:51, Dave Carlson  wrote:

More grist for the mill…What I’m observing, regardless of turning iMessages 
off/on on both devices and restarting, is that the only conversations that are 
updating are those that have been used since I got the Mac and iPhone so-called 
synchronized. All other conversations are still stuck way back in time. They do 
not update to the newest messages, regardless of what I do. So I don’t consider 
this to be a working process.
I do have my messages set to keep forever on both devices — wonder if that is 
part of the problem? Intuitively that does not seem correct. History should 
ensure that all updates are the same on all devices. I think Apple dropped the 
pie on this one.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Dave Carlson]

More grist for the mill…What I’m observing, regardless of turning iMessages 
off/on on both devices and restarting, is that the only conversations that are 
updating are those that have been used since I got the Mac and iPhone so-called 
synchronized. All other conversations are still stuck way back in time. They do 
not update to the newest messages, regardless of what I do. So I don’t consider 
this to be a working process.
I do have my messages set to keep forever on both devices — wonder if that is 
part of the problem? Intuitively that does not seem correct. History should 
ensure that all updates are the same on all devices. I think Apple dropped the 
pie on this one.

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RE: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Simon Fogarty]

This I’m finding interesting,

I’m noticing the same thing on or between my iPhone x and apple watch Series 4,

I’m noticing that the messages I have  showing on my devices don’t sync with 
each other correctly if at all.

I have a happit of deleting messages that are one off or not part of a 
conversation with friends or family,

If I delete one of these messages through the messages app on my watch it 
doesn’t delete from my phones messaging app,

And the same is happening in the opposite way,

I thought this might be due to running a beta on my phone but it appears there 
may be more going on.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Pete De Vasto
Sent: Saturday, 24 August 2019 2:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

I only syncronize between and iPhone and a Mac, but what I’ve found does work 
for me is to go into Messages on my Mac, VO navigate over to the conversations 
table, select a different conversation and briefly look at contents, then go 
back to the original conversation and everything seems to be OK. Sounds weird, 
but works for me.

Pete De Vasto


On Aug 23, 2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

Hi,

These work more or less normally for me.  Sometimes, messages take a little 
extra time to sync, especially when messing with changing phone numbers in 
group conversations, but works as it should in time.  Contacts don't always 
sync immediately, but will within less than one minute after opening the app.  
If you have messages syncing to iCloud, then I suggest that you turn iMessages 
off on the iPhone, restart the iPhone, then re-enable the iMessages service.  
Because things are synced to iCloud, you shouldn't lose anything.  Similarly, 
you can do this on each of your other devices including your Mac if things 
don't fix themselves after doing it on the iPhone.  A simple restart will not 
suffice, it seems like the resources connected with the iMessage service need a 
reset, which is done by kind of resetting the service as I mentioned.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 23, 2019, at 07:56, Steve Matzura 
mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:

Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, though, 
that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to find out it's not 
just me. LOL.


On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Steve,
Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, iPad, 
and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process for 
iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync continuously 
when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of items in the 
Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar work fine and 
are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even started looking 
at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern there.
Dave Carlson

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

Sounds like a timing issue.  Syncing isn't perfect, but little tricks like that 
help while the technology works out the kinks.

Later...


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Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 23, 2019, at 08:25, Pete De Vasto  wrote:

I only syncronize between and iPhone and a Mac, but what I’ve found does work 
for me is to go into Messages on my Mac, VO navigate over to the conversations 
table, select a different conversation and briefly look at contents, then go 
back to the original conversation and everything seems to be OK. Sounds weird, 
but works for me.

Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 23, 2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> These work more or less normally for me.  Sometimes, messages take a little 
> extra time to sync, especially when messing with changing phone numbers in 
> group conversations, but works as it should in time.  Contacts don't always 
> sync immediately, but will within less than one minute after opening the app. 
>  If you have messages syncing to iCloud, then I suggest that you turn 
> iMessages off on the iPhone, restart the iPhone, then re-enable the iMessages 
> service.  Because things are synced to iCloud, you shouldn't lose anything.  
> Similarly, you can do this on each of your other devices including your Mac 
> if things don't fix themselves after doing it on the iPhone.  A simple 
> restart will not suffice, it seems like the resources connected with the 
> iMessage service need a reset, which is done by kind of resetting the service 
> as I mentioned.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 07:56, Steve Matzura  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, 
> though, that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to find out 
> it's not just me. LOL.
> 
> 
> On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> Steve,
>> Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, 
>> iPad, and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process 
>> for iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync 
>> continuously when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of 
>> items in the Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar 
>> work fine and are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even 
>> started looking at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern 
>> there.
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Pete De Vasto]

I only syncronize between and iPhone and a Mac, but what I’ve found does work 
for me is to go into Messages on my Mac, VO navigate over to the conversations 
table, select a different conversation and briefly look at contents, then go 
back to the original conversation and everything seems to be OK. Sounds weird, 
but works for me.

Pete De Vasto

> On Aug 23, 2019, at 7:11 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> 
> Hi,
> 
> These work more or less normally for me.  Sometimes, messages take a little 
> extra time to sync, especially when messing with changing phone numbers in 
> group conversations, but works as it should in time.  Contacts don't always 
> sync immediately, but will within less than one minute after opening the app. 
>  If you have messages syncing to iCloud, then I suggest that you turn 
> iMessages off on the iPhone, restart the iPhone, then re-enable the iMessages 
> service.  Because things are synced to iCloud, you shouldn't lose anything.  
> Similarly, you can do this on each of your other devices including your Mac 
> if things don't fix themselves after doing it on the iPhone.  A simple 
> restart will not suffice, it seems like the resources connected with the 
> iMessage service need a reset, which is done by kind of resetting the service 
> as I mentioned.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Jamf Certified Associate
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 07:56, Steve Matzura  > wrote:
> 
> Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, 
> though, that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to find out 
> it's not just me. LOL.
> 
> 
> On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> Steve,
>> Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, 
>> iPad, and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process 
>> for iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync 
>> continuously when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of 
>> items in the Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar 
>> work fine and are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even 
>> started looking at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern 
>> there.
>> Dave Carlson
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

These work more or less normally for me.  Sometimes, messages take a little 
extra time to sync, especially when messing with changing phone numbers in 
group conversations, but works as it should in time.  Contacts don't always 
sync immediately, but will within less than one minute after opening the app.  
If you have messages syncing to iCloud, then I suggest that you turn iMessages 
off on the iPhone, restart the iPhone, then re-enable the iMessages service.  
Because things are synced to iCloud, you shouldn't lose anything.  Similarly, 
you can do this on each of your other devices including your Mac if things 
don't fix themselves after doing it on the iPhone.  A simple restart will not 
suffice, it seems like the resources connected with the iMessage service need a 
reset, which is done by kind of resetting the service as I mentioned.

HTH.

Later...


Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Jamf Certified Associate
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Aug 23, 2019, at 07:56, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, though, 
that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to find out it's not 
just me. LOL.


On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:
> Steve,
> Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, 
> iPad, and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process 
> for iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync 
> continuously when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of 
> items in the Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar 
> work fine and are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even 
> started looking at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern 
> there.
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Steve Matzura]

Yes, Dave. There's definitely something odd about this. I have to say, 
though, that while I'm not pleased about it, I'm a little pleased to 
find out it's not just me. LOL.



On 8/23/2019 9:46 AM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Steve,
Yes, and my wife who is sighted also has the same behavior with her Mac, iPad, 
and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process for 
iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync continuously 
when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of items in the 
Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar work fine and 
are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even started looking 
at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern there.
Dave Carlson


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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Steve,
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and iPhone. It seems like we need to have some sort of refresh process for 
iCloud that is either set to update periodically or is set to sync continuously 
when anything changes, whether an addition to , or a removal of items in the 
Messages or Contacts. In my experience, both Mail and Calendar work fine and 
are always in sync — so why not the others? And I’ve not even started looking 
at Notes and Voice Memos  to see if there are any concern there.
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

[Steve Matzura]

I've had a similar problem since forever, Dave, even though all my 
devices show I'm using iCloud for the Messages *and* Contacts 
applications. What happens with me is that messages come to all my 
devices--two Macs, one phone, one iPad, and if I delete from one, I'm 
expecting that all the others will have that message deleted, too. But 
they don't. With Contacts, if I add a contact using one device,  I fully 
expect that it should appear on all the others,but it never does. Anyone 
who can offer help on these two problems, which I suspect are related in 
some very esoteric way, I greatly appreciate your efforts in advance.




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Seems not to be working. Mac messages are way out of date. I thought this was 
handled by iCloud?

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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   Probably did as that too was my experience.

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On 8/22/2019 7:10 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Just went and did that. Almost at once, I saw a couple messages pop up. Sent a 
test message and now it seems to be working. Maybe that did it. Thanks, and if 
it continues to work, I’ll not complain any more about it.

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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Just went and did that. Almost at once, I saw a couple messages pop up. Sent a 
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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   Are you signed in on both? I thought I was one time and was not 
seeing texts being in sync on the Mac, I do not recall if I signed out 
then back in but that fixed things.


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On 8/22/2019 6:31 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:

Have verified that login and pw are same for both, and iCloud includes messages 
on both devices...
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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Have verified that login and pw are same for both, and iCloud includes messages 
on both devices...
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Re: Synchronizing Messages Between Mac and iPhone

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   It is. Same Apple ID on both, and make certain that Messages is 
checked on both.


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Seems not to be working. Mac messages are way out of date. I thought this was 
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