UPDATE: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription
Hello Everyone, Okay, my faith in the universe has been restored! After some much needed sleep and a very pleasant and productive day, I decided to attempt to resolve the Hulu issue, yet again. Bottom line: I resolved the problem and have restored my Hulu / Disney Duo Premium subscription at a rate of $19.95 per month. The solution? Apparently, the Disney Plus servers and the Hulu account servers are not exactly in sync. In short, this means that although the Disney Plus servers registered my new account, said account was only partially populated on the Hulu account servers which, as it turns out, are still being updated with that of Disney Plus. As a result of this account population glitch, the Hulu servers, at least those accessed by the Apple TV app, were, effectively, returning two diametrically opposed results to my login attempts; (1) the account is valid and (2) the account is not valid. As expected, this caused the app to freeze. Solution? (1): from the Disney Plus website, force all device log-ins to be rejected. (2): Not just delete the Hulu apps from Apple TV but clear the app cache, first, before deleting the apps from Apple TV. (3): From the Disney Plus website, change account email address, preferably to an email with a different domain than that of the original email address. I hope you found this helpful and if not, then at least entertaining (smile). Mark -Original Message- From: M. Taylor On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, November 9, 2023 10:44 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription Hello Everyone, I am posting this to the list because I want you to know that, if you encounter the same problem, you are not alone. 1. I purchased a Disney Plus and Hulu Premium monthly subscription via the Disney Plus website. I did this because this particular new pricing bundle is not available on the Hulu website. 2. Signed into Disney Plus and Hulu websites, along with iOS app and iPad app without any problems. 3. Signed into Disney Plus app on Apple TV on both TV OS 16 and TV OS 17 without any problems. 4. Could not sign into Hulu app on Apple TV. Trust me when I tell you that this is not a VoiceOver problem. When attempting to sign into Hulu app via a Disney Plus Hulu bundle subscription, billed by Disney, with a new account that is not being upgraded from a basic Hulu subscription, the Hulu app simply freezes. I spent more time on trying to resolve this issue than I ever care to admit. 5. When a solution to this problem was not offered up by Hulu / Disney, I got so disgusted that I cancelled my subscription, today, and deleted my third-party Disney Plus account. This is the first time in my Apple life that I have been so disgusted with an app experience that I cancelled and deleted within 24 hours of purchasing a subscription. 6. There are several things I can do to get the Hulu app working on Apple TV but, to my mind, today, at least, I just can't be bothered as, for a premium experience, I would have to pay more money for a bundle feature that I will never use and pay for it, via the Hulu billing system. No Doubt that Disney will be releasing a new Hulu / Disney app combo that will resolve this but, as for me, my first experience with Hulu via Apple TV was so very disappointing that I have lost the desire to even use Hulu. Now I can subscribe to Hulu via iTunes but, again, not today. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000201da13a1%243e0b6ed0%24ba224c70%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searche
RE: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription
Don't sub via iTunes price is hirer. Try the Frndly service for 1 year. I t is cheaper for 1 year. The apple tv is usable. I enjoy all the old shows. -Original Message- From: M. Taylor On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Friday, November 10, 2023 12:44 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription Hello Everyone, I am posting this to the list because I want you to know that, if you encounter the same problem, you are not alone. 1. I purchased a Disney Plus and Hulu Premium monthly subscription via the Disney Plus website. I did this because this particular new pricing bundle is not available on the Hulu website. 2. Signed into Disney Plus and Hulu websites, along with iOS app and iPad app without any problems. 3. Signed into Disney Plus app on Apple TV on both TV OS 16 and TV OS 17 without any problems. 4. Could not sign into Hulu app on Apple TV. Trust me when I tell you that this is not a VoiceOver problem. When attempting to sign into Hulu app via a Disney Plus Hulu bundle subscription, billed by Disney, with a new account that is not being upgraded from a basic Hulu subscription, the Hulu app simply freezes. I spent more time on trying to resolve this issue than I ever care to admit. 5. When a solution to this problem was not offered up by Hulu / Disney, I got so disgusted that I cancelled my subscription, today, and deleted my third-party Disney Plus account. This is the first time in my Apple life that I have been so disgusted with an app experience that I cancelled and deleted within 24 hours of purchasing a subscription. 6. There are several things I can do to get the Hulu app working on Apple TV but, to my mind, today, at least, I just can't be bothered as, for a premium experience, I would have to pay more money for a bundle feature that I will never use and pay for it, via the Hulu billing system. No Doubt that Disney will be releasing a new Hulu / Disney app combo that will resolve this but, as for me, my first experience with Hulu via Apple TV was so very disappointing that I have lost the desire to even use Hulu. Now I can subscribe to Hulu via iTunes but, again, not today. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000201da13a1%243e0b6ed0%24ba224c70%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/005901da13cc%2476aee340%24640ca9c0%24%40gmail.com.
After Only One Day, Mark Cancels Disney Plus Subscription
Hello Everyone, I am posting this to the list because I want you to know that, if you encounter the same problem, you are not alone. 1. I purchased a Disney Plus and Hulu Premium monthly subscription via the Disney Plus website. I did this because this particular new pricing bundle is not available on the Hulu website. 2. Signed into Disney Plus and Hulu websites, along with iOS app and iPad app without any problems. 3. Signed into Disney Plus app on Apple TV on both TV OS 16 and TV OS 17 without any problems. 4. Could not sign into Hulu app on Apple TV. Trust me when I tell you that this is not a VoiceOver problem. When attempting to sign into Hulu app via a Disney Plus Hulu bundle subscription, billed by Disney, with a new account that is not being upgraded from a basic Hulu subscription, the Hulu app simply freezes. I spent more time on trying to resolve this issue than I ever care to admit. 5. When a solution to this problem was not offered up by Hulu / Disney, I got so disgusted that I cancelled my subscription, today, and deleted my third-party Disney Plus account. This is the first time in my Apple life that I have been so disgusted with an app experience that I cancelled and deleted within 24 hours of purchasing a subscription. 6. There are several things I can do to get the Hulu app working on Apple TV but, to my mind, today, at least, I just can't be bothered as, for a premium experience, I would have to pay more money for a bundle feature that I will never use and pay for it, via the Hulu billing system. No Doubt that Disney will be releasing a new Hulu / Disney app combo that will resolve this but, as for me, my first experience with Hulu via Apple TV was so very disappointing that I have lost the desire to even use Hulu. Now I can subscribe to Hulu via iTunes but, again, not today. Mark -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000201da13a1%243e0b6ed0%24ba224c70%24%40gmail.com.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac by Subscription?
Hello, I believe it is $4.99 a month. Greg Wocher > On Nov 23, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Anders Holmberg wrote: > > Hi! > We have it by subscription. > I don’t know the cost as it makes me mad to have to pay every month. > /A > >> 23 nov. 2022 kl. 22:15 skrev Fazil M. : >> >> Hi, Group. >> Do we have Voice Dream Reader for Mac? >> If yes, is it by subscription or for one-time charge? >> I am sorry for asking this because I don’t know how to search an App in the >> AppStore. >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159EAAEC5EF2002EAF0830FC90C9%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159EAAEC5EF2002EAF0830FC90C9%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5502C9A8-ED8C-45F2-B104-D39830AC772D%40pipkrokodil.se > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5502C9A8-ED8C-45F2-B104-D39830AC772D%40pipkrokodil.se?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D185986C-9705-4B4D-B71E-E358BE4079AC%40gmail.com.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac by Subscription?
Hi! We have it by subscription. I don’t know the cost as it makes me mad to have to pay every month. /A > 23 nov. 2022 kl. 22:15 skrev Fazil M. : > > Hi, Group. > Do we have Voice Dream Reader for Mac? > If yes, is it by subscription or for one-time charge? > I am sorry for asking this because I don’t know how to search an App in the > AppStore. > Thanks! > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159EAAEC5EF2002EAF0830FC90C9%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159EAAEC5EF2002EAF0830FC90C9%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5502C9A8-ED8C-45F2-B104-D39830AC772D%40pipkrokodil.se.
Voice Dream Reader for Mac by Subscription?
Hi, Group. Do we have Voice Dream Reader for Mac? If yes, is it by subscription or for one-time charge? I am sorry for asking this because I don't know how to search an App in the AppStore. Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/DS7PR20MB4159EAAEC5EF2002EAF0830FC90C9%40DS7PR20MB4159.namprd20.prod.outlook.com.
Re: YouTube premium subscription
I am fairly sure that I canceled the subscription within a day or two of signing up. Once I realized that YouTube premium was not going to do what I thought it would do for me, and knowing how are usually operate, I’m pretty sure I went in and canceled it right then and there. Now I’m just living out the remainder of the free trial. That is why I only see the option to renew rather than to cancel. I already canceled it. thanks though for all your ideas. Sent from my IPhone > On Aug 18, 2022, at 7:35 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > How did you signup? > Through Apple, or Google? > By the way, Apple charges about $15 where as going directly through Google is > $11.99 per month. > Rob > >> On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Phil Halton wrote: >> >> >> >> Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid >> losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do >> something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it >> doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone >> >> >>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app. >>> Try from a computer. >>> Rob >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote: >>>> >>>> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure >>>> I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found >>>> my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean >>>> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal >>>> for YouTube premium service? >>>> >>>> Sent from my IPhone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>> Visionaries list. >>>> >>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>> >>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>> >>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>> --- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
Re: YouTube premium subscription
How did you signup? Through Apple, or Google? By the way, Apple charges about $15 where as going directly through Google is $11.99 per month. Rob > On Aug 18, 2022, at 6:46 PM, Phil Halton wrote: > > > > Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid > losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do > something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it > doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone > > >> On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries >> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app. >> Try from a computer. >> Rob >> >> >>> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote: >>> >>> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure >>> I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found >>> my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean >>> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal >>> for YouTube premium service? >>> >>> Sent from my IPhone >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/61CD4C9A-F74F-4985-AD27-165E055A6CBC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post
Re: YouTube premium subscription
speaking personally? its google, I suggest you email someone, even including their accessibility contact. especially if they have financial information to charge you. It could be hidden in a way your screen reader cannot find, and if the terms say they must hear from you, best not to leave the situation to chance. Just my thoughts, karen On Thu, 18 Aug 2022, Phil Halton wrote: Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries wrote: Hi, I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app. Try from a computer. Rob On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote: I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal for YouTube premium service? Sent from my IPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/61CD4C9A-F74F-4985-AD27-165E055A6CBC%40gmail.com.
Re: YouTube premium subscription
Well, same options from the laptop as from the iPhone app, it says to avoid losing benefits, renew now. Renew is the only option. I’m going to do something really dumb and assume that not losing benefits means that it doesn’t auto renew. What do you think? Sent from my IPhone > On Aug 18, 2022, at 1:30 PM, mr.robertcole via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi, > I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app. > Try from a computer. > Rob > > >> On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote: >> >> I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I >> don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my >> subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean >> they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal >> for YouTube premium service? >> >> Sent from my IPhone >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/61CD4C9A-F74F-4985-AD27-165E055A6CBC%40gmail.com.
Re: YouTube premium subscription
Hi, I don’t believe you can cancel on the mobile app. Try from a computer. Rob > On Aug 18, 2022, at 12:02 PM, Phil Halton wrote: > > I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I > don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my > subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean > they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal for > YouTube premium service? > > Sent from my IPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/FB22CA87-E78C-4E17-B9EE-50D58AA6260A%40icloud.com.
YouTube premium subscription
I signed up for a free trial and it’s about to expire. I want to make sure I don’t get clipped for a auto renewal fee. I went into settings and found my subscription there and it gave only an option to renew. Does this mean they’re not going to auto renew? Any experience with auto premium renewal for YouTube premium service? Sent from my IPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/5294B60C-7A0B-4943-8E5E-8C30233CE1FE%40gmail.com.
Re: An active Voice Dream Reader subscription on Mac
I”m not quite sure but when did yu subscribe to the application? The first two weeks are free so if you had subscribed before the two weeks are up, maybe your subscription is not valid yet. Andrew > On 22 Jun 2022, at 17:44, Tibor Niesner wrote: > > Hello, > > I have an interresting thing. The Voice Dream Reader shows an active > subscription in app preferences. But when I look at the subscriptions in > iCloud settings, there are not any active subscriptions. > It shows me after the last update. > > I don’t understand it. > > Thank you. > > Best regard > > Tibor Niesner > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D7F89FB1-12CE-414E-9863-0CDAAF040F9E%40seznam.cz. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/662C12A0-F8F5-46BE-9477-FB5DAD2B83A5%40me.com.
An active Voice Dream Reader subscription on Mac
Hello, I have an interresting thing. The Voice Dream Reader shows an active subscription in app preferences. But when I look at the subscriptions in iCloud settings, there are not any active subscriptions. It shows me after the last update. I don’t understand it. Thank you. Best regard Tibor Niesner -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D7F89FB1-12CE-414E-9863-0CDAAF040F9E%40seznam.cz.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
It cannot. > On May 8, 2022, at 04:52, Anders Holmberg wrote: > > HI! > Not sure but I think vlc can play zipped audio files too. > /A > >> 8 maj 2022 kl. 03:51 skrev Herbie Allen : >> >> Voice Dream is good for a situation where the audio files are in Zip form >> and you don’t want to unzip them. It can also be useful with the Cloud Sink >> and remembering your spot if you switch devices. >> >>> On May 7, 2022, at 09:21, Anders Holmberg wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> Yes you can do that if you like. >>> But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files. >>> /A >>> 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman : can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update. Maria > On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > > If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program > provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using > the mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well. > I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would > be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking > personally. > Karen > > > > On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), >> and have you subscribed it? >> >> Tank you very much. >> >> Best regard. >> >> Tibor Niesner >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >> at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. >> >> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/349A00FA-60AA-4A6B-8AEC-5E5A1963ED39%40gmail.com. >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/370DE8A6-5348-4E58-AA0B-660C6F20A173%40pipkrokodil.se. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
HI! Not sure but I think vlc can play zipped audio files too. /A > 8 maj 2022 kl. 03:51 skrev Herbie Allen : > > Voice Dream is good for a situation where the audio files are in Zip form and > you don’t want to unzip them. It can also be useful with the Cloud Sink and > remembering your spot if you switch devices. > >> On May 7, 2022, at 09:21, Anders Holmberg wrote: >> >> Hi! >> Yes you can do that if you like. >> But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files. >> /A >> >>> 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman : >>> >>> can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i >>> cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update. >>> Maria >>> >>> On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen wrote: If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well. I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking personally. Karen On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: > Hello all, > > Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), > and have you subscribed it? > > Tank you very much. > > Best regard. > > Tibor Niesner > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac > Visionaries list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or > if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the > owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark > at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. > > >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/349A00FA-60AA-4A6B-8AEC-5E5A1963ED39%40gmail.com. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/370DE8A6-5348-4E58-AA0B-660C6F20A173%40pipkrokodil.se. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
Voice Dream is good for a situation where the audio files are in Zip form and you don’t want to unzip them. It can also be useful with the Cloud Sink and remembering your spot if you switch devices. > On May 7, 2022, at 09:21, Anders Holmberg wrote: > > Hi! > Yes you can do that if you like. > But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files. > /A > >> 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman : >> >> can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i >> cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update. >> Maria >> >> >>> On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>> If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program >>> provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the >>> mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well. >>> I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would >>> be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking >>> personally. >>> Karen >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: >>> Hello all, Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and have you subscribed it? Tank you very much. Best regard. Tibor Niesner -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/349A00FA-60AA-4A6B-8AEC-5E5A1963ED39%40gmail.com. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/370DE8A6-5348-4E58-AA0B-660C6F20A173%40pipkrokodil.se. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at:
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
Hi! Yes you can do that if you like. But there are better ways I think to listen to audio files. /A > 7 maj 2022 kl. 15:46 skrev Maria Chapman : > > can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i > cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update. > Maria > > >> On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >> If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program >> provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the >> mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well. >> I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would be >> a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking personally. >> Karen >> >> >> >> On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and >>> have you subscribed it? >>> >>> Tank you very much. >>> >>> Best regard. >>> >>> Tibor Niesner >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. >>> >>> > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/349A00FA-60AA-4A6B-8AEC-5E5A1963ED39%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/370DE8A6-5348-4E58-AA0B-660C6F20A173%40pipkrokodil.se.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
can you listen to audio files on the mac version of voice dream reader? i cannot test it as my mac is too old and won’t update. Maria > On 7 May 2022, at 12:34 am, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program provides > anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the mac voice > of my choice, and or access to the text as well. > I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would be > a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking personally. > Karen > > > > On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and >> have you subscribed it? >> >> Tank you very much. >> >> Best regard. >> >> Tibor Niesner >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. >> >> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/349A00FA-60AA-4A6B-8AEC-5E5A1963ED39%40gmail.com.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
If I had a setup for it, I likely would. Especially if the program provides anything I cannot get elsewhere, like consistent reading using the mac voice of my choice, and or access to the text as well. I process allot of material, and do a great deal of research, so it would be a professional investment if feasible for me at least speaking personally. Karen On Fri, 6 May 2022, Tibor Niesner wrote: Hello all, Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and have you subscribed it? Tank you very much. Best regard. Tibor Niesner -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
OK, thank you. > 6. 5. 2022 v 15:24, Herbie Allen : > > It’s $.95 and now offering a 14 day free trial. > >> On May 6, 2022, at 05:48, Tibor Niesner wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and >> have you subscribed it? >> >> Tank you very much. >> >> Best regard. >> >> Tibor Niesner >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D29FA581-AA2B-491E-92F2-979290164ED5%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C841CEDC-37D7-4DFE-BB7A-1DAA2FF53083%40seznam.cz.
Re: Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
It’s $.95 and now offering a 14 day free trial. > On May 6, 2022, at 05:48, Tibor Niesner wrote: > > Hello all, > > Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and > have you subscribed it? > > Tank you very much. > > Best regard. > > Tibor Niesner > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/D29FA581-AA2B-491E-92F2-979290164ED5%40gmail.com.
Voice Dream Reader for Mac and subscription
Hello all, Does Voice Dream Reader offer for you supscription for 6 USD (monthly), and have you subscribed it? Tank you very much. Best regard. Tibor Niesner -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/91E92BAD-BF85-45D6-87F3-257EC7B63E42%40seznam.cz.
Best non subscription invoicing application like FreshBooks?
Hi List, What is the Best non subscription invoicing application like FreshBooks Any suggestions? Thanks Chuck Chuck Reichel soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C558E7D2-1E25-4ECD-AF1B-7CDA4B8C7377%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple TV Subscription?
Hi, And once you’ve enabled it in Accessibility, you don’t need to do anything special in any Apple TV Plus content. It will just play the audio description. Other titles that have audio description available should also play automatically. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:40 PM, Rebecca Skipper wrote: > > You have to enable it in accessibility. I believe the setting is towards the > end of the accessibility section. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Fazil > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:40 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? > > Is audio description on by default, or I have to turn it on somewhere? > Thanks! > > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:48 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? > > Hi, > > All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil > <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Would it give me audio description? >> Thanks! >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? >> >> No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? >> >> Hi, Group. >> One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I >> have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.m
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
You have to enable it in accessibility. I believe the setting is towards the end of the accessibility section. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? Is audio description on by default, or I have to turn it on somewhere? Thanks! From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@uc
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
Is audio description on by default, or I have to turn it on somewhere? Thanks! From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:48 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed t
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
Thanks. Appreciate your explanation. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:05 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Yes, that is correct. When they are subscribed to within the Apple TV Channels, then you don’t even need a separate app to access them. For example, if I subscribe to BritBox in Apple TV Channels, then when I search for Midsomer Murders in the Apple TV app, it will show me all the places I can watch it, rent it etc, but for the BritBox version, I can press on it and it will just play within the Apple TV app. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote: So, this is why I can get audio subscription even through a third party? You can link these third party accounts to your Apple ID just like you can link CBS All Access with Amazon Prime? From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus. So, those shows that are a part of Apple TV Plus all have audio description. The Apple TV Plus does not specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience. That is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host of other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific Apple TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services. Even various rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus subscription. Sorry, just trying to make things clear. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were not produced by Apple. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegrou
Re: Apple TV Subscription?
Hi, Yes, that is correct. When they are subscribed to within the Apple TV Channels, then you don’t even need a separate app to access them. For example, if I subscribe to BritBox in Apple TV Channels, then when I search for Midsomer Murders in the Apple TV app, it will show me all the places I can watch it, rent it etc, but for the BritBox version, I can press on it and it will just play within the Apple TV app. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Rebecca Skipper wrote: > > So, this is why I can get audio subscription even through a third party? > You can link these third party accounts to your Apple ID just like you can > link CBS All Access with Amazon Prime? > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:55 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? > > Hi, > > The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus. So, those shows that are a part > of Apple TV Plus all have audio description. The Apple TV Plus does not > specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus > subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience. That > is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host > of other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific > Apple TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services. Even > various rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus > subscription. > > Sorry, just trying to make things clear. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper > <mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but >> were not produced by Apple. >> >> From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? >> >> Hi, >> >> All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. >> >> Later… >> >> >> Tim Kilburn >> Jamf Certified Tech >> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >> Apple Teacher >> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >> >> >> >>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil >> <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Would it give me audio description? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper >>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? >>> >>> No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. >>> >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil >>> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? >>> >>> Hi, Group. >>> One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I >>> have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? >>> Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >>> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >>> >>> The archives fo
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
So, this is why I can get audio subscription even through a third party? You can link these third party accounts to your Apple ID just like you can link CBS All Access with Amazon Prime? From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus. So, those shows that are a part of Apple TV Plus all have audio description. The Apple TV Plus does not specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience. That is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host of other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific Apple TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services. Even various rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus subscription. Sorry, just trying to make things clear. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper mailto:skipper8...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were not produced by Apple. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.co
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Hi, The free subscription is for Apple TV Plus. So, those shows that are a part of Apple TV Plus all have audio description. The Apple TV Plus does not specifically give you access to other providers as part of the Apple TV Plus subscription, but they can be integrated into your Apple TV experience. That is, services like Amazon Prime, Acorn TV, BritBox, CBS All Access and a host of other streaming services are subscribable with Apple TV, but the specific Apple TV Plus subscription is independent of these other services. Even various rentals of TV shows and movies are independent of the Apple TV Plus subscription. Sorry, just trying to make things clear. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:49 AM, Rebecca Skipper wrote: > > Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but > were not produced by Apple. > > From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? > > Hi, > > All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > >> On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil > <mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Would it give me audio description? >> Thanks! >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? >> >> No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. >> >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil >> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? >> >> Hi, Group. >> One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I >> have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? >> Thanks! >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> ht
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Yes, but we can’t say the same for other shows that are in the catalog but were not produced by Apple. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:48 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com < <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message
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Hi, All Apple TV Plus productions have audio description. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Professional Learning Specialist Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada > On Oct 15, 2021, at 11:39 AM, Fazil wrote: > > Would it give me audio description? > Thanks! > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? > > No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Apple TV Subscription? > > Hi, Group. > One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I > have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? > Thanks! > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --
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I am not sure why this happens, but I’ve noticed that third party apps like CBS All Access shows that have audio description will work in IOS and iPad OS when I use Amazon Prime to access CBS All Access. I am not sure if this is because audio description is set up on both Amazon video and IOS or if IOS is just using the settings I turned on in accessibility. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:43 PM To: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries Subject: Re: Apple TV Subscription? If you have it turned on in accessibility settings, then all described shows will be described. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Oct 15, 2021, at 13:39, Fazil mailto:fzlmahmoo...@gmail.com> > wrote: Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Mac
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You have to turn on audio description under accessibility in settings. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:40 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0e1701d7c1eb%24a132b810%24e3982830%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0e1701d7c1eb%24a132b810%24e3982830%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members
Re: Apple TV Subscription?
If you have it turned on in accessibility settings, then all described shows will be described. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Oct 15, 2021, at 13:39, Fazil wrote: > > Would it give me audio description? > Thanks! > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? > > No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Fazil > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Apple TV Subscription? > > Hi, Group. > One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I > have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? > Thanks! > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can > reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer>. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsu
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
Would it give me audio description? Thanks! From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Rebecca Skipper Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 10:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Apple TV Subscription? No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0e1701d7c1eb%24a132b810%24e3982830%24%40gmail.com.
RE: Apple TV Subscription?
No, you can use Apple TV on an iPad, iPhone, iPod touch, and Mac. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Fazil Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:10 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Apple TV Subscription? Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email_source=footer> . -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/023401d7c1e8%24398a0900%24ac9e1b00%24%40gmail.com.
Apple TV Subscription?
Hi, Group. One year complementary subscription to Apple TV came with my new iPad, do I have to have a physical tv-set to access the contents of Apple TV? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/0dd601d7c1e7%2483bbd450%248b337cf0%24%40gmail.com.
Re: Apple Music and iTunes match subscriptions I currently have iTunes match and M now on a three months trial subscription to Apple Music. I kind of like Apple Music. What will I lose if I ditch the
Hi, Supposedly, it should not matter as they both use the iCloud Music Library. But, I ended up keeping both. Apple Music kept substituting live versions, or alternative, versions of many of my titles that were ripped from CD’s. The version that I am used to hearing, is the version that I prefer to listen to. There are a few half-workarounds that you can do such as search through the Apple Music catalog for your specific version of the song, but that is not always successful. There were even a few cases where songs were not available in Apple Music in my country, but iTunes Match gave me the iTunes Plus version just fine. My understanding is that, in most cases, if you have both services, iTunes Match content takes priority. I’ve kept a separate backup of my matched content just in case anything else happens too. Apple Music likes to replace your personal copy with the Apple Music high quality version, so if you ever stopped your Apple Music subscription, you would then lose access to all those songs. Later… Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 23, 2020, at 8:45 AM, Phil Halton wrote: Sent from my IPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/35B1B451-68C6-4F49-9EEF-114D6D6B4698%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/3EA0F439-C18A-466A-AFBE-8A0E9000B22C%40me.com.
Apple Music and iTunes match subscriptions I currently have iTunes match and M now on a three months trial subscription to Apple Music. I kind of like Apple Music. What will I lose if I ditch the iTun
Sent from my IPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/35B1B451-68C6-4F49-9EEF-114D6D6B4698%40gmail.com.
Re: Looking for suggestions on changing my subscription email address?
Yes I am wonting to change my email address for this group. On 28 Dec 2019, at 18:58, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Maurice, Your question is unclear. Are you asking how to change your email subscription address to an Apple service? Or to this group? If you want to change your email subscription address to this group, then you will need to subscribe to the group, with your new email address, just as you did with your current email address. Then, after receiving and accepting the group invitation, you can then unsubscribe for the group using one of the links located at the bottom of every group post, including this one. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice.mines Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 4:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for suggestions on changing my subscription email address? Hello, my subject line pretty much states that all. I am wishing to change my subscription email address. To my domain email box. How do I do this? Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom. Sincerely Maurice. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C36A0553-D7B1-4FE6-9EE9-71C6C16434EC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000c01d5bdf3%24eb24fcb0%24c16ef610%24%40edu. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/99D62496-0605-4501-A567-425413461F8D%40gmail.com.
RE: Looking for suggestions on changing my subscription email address?
Hello Maurice, Your question is unclear. Are you asking how to change your email subscription address to an Apple service? Or to this group? If you want to change your email subscription address to this group, then you will need to subscribe to the group, with your new email address, just as you did with your current email address. Then, after receiving and accepting the group invitation, you can then unsubscribe for the group using one of the links located at the bottom of every group post, including this one. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of maurice.mines Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 4:29 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Looking for suggestions on changing my subscription email address? Hello, my subject line pretty much states that all. I am wishing to change my subscription email address. To my domain email box. How do I do this? Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom. Sincerely Maurice. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C36A0553-D7B1-4FE6-9EE9-71C6C16434EC%40gmail.com. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/000c01d5bdf3%24eb24fcb0%24c16ef610%24%40edu.
Looking for suggestions on changing my subscription email address?
Hello, my subject line pretty much states that all. I am wishing to change my subscription email address. To my domain email box. How do I do this? Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom. Sincerely Maurice. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/macvisionaries/C36A0553-D7B1-4FE6-9EE9-71C6C16434EC%40gmail.com.
Re: Free MLB subscription for T-Mobile customers
Sorry, I meant your MLBpremium page, sign in there, and unsubscribe. > On Mar 1, 2019, at 4:06 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Could you be a little bit more specific? I don’t believe I have a T-Mobile > subscription page. I went to the link in the T-Mobile email, which had all > the info for this upcoming one. But there wasn’t anything on there about > unsubscribing. Hint please? > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 1, 2019, at 1:59 PM, KliphnShari Miller wrote: >> >> You have to go tot your mob suspriction page and unsubscribe there. >> >> >>> On Mar 1, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> I suppose this is most relevant if your iPhone is on the T-Mobile network >>> here in the US or if you were thinking about switching. Again this year, >>> T-Mobile is offering a free subscription to MLB TV, which you would get by >>> using the MLB at bat app. Now I do have a question which I already asked >>> T-Mobile about, and their answer wasn’t entirely helpful. For those of you >>> who had the subscription last year, this looks like the same offer, >>> activated by using the T-Mobile Tuesday app. But in the email I got from >>> T-Mobile, they say you have to have unsubscribed from current subscription >>> no later than March 21. I have tried to find a way to do that, in the >>> iTunes Store, but of course the subscription isn’t through iTunes so that’s >>> a dead letter. T-Mobile said go to settings. That didn’t turn anything up. >>> So for those of you who had the subscription last year, how did you >>> unsubscribe? >>> Mary >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >>> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>> >>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for
Re: Free MLB subscription for T-Mobile customers
Could you be a little bit more specific? I don’t believe I have a T-Mobile subscription page. I went to the link in the T-Mobile email, which had all the info for this upcoming one. But there wasn’t anything on there about unsubscribing. Hint please? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2019, at 1:59 PM, KliphnShari Miller wrote: > > You have to go tot your mob suspriction page and unsubscribe there. > > >> On Mar 1, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> I suppose this is most relevant if your iPhone is on the T-Mobile network >> here in the US or if you were thinking about switching. Again this year, >> T-Mobile is offering a free subscription to MLB TV, which you would get by >> using the MLB at bat app. Now I do have a question which I already asked >> T-Mobile about, and their answer wasn’t entirely helpful. For those of you >> who had the subscription last year, this looks like the same offer, >> activated by using the T-Mobile Tuesday app. But in the email I got from >> T-Mobile, they say you have to have unsubscribed from current subscription >> no later than March 21. I have tried to find a way to do that, in the iTunes >> Store, but of course the subscription isn’t through iTunes so that’s a dead >> letter. T-Mobile said go to settings. That didn’t turn anything up. So for >> those of you who had the subscription last year, how did you unsubscribe? >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >> caraqu...@caraquinn.com >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Free MLB subscription for T-Mobile customers
You have to go tot your mob suspriction page and unsubscribe there. > On Mar 1, 2019, at 2:49 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > > Hi all, > I suppose this is most relevant if your iPhone is on the T-Mobile network > here in the US or if you were thinking about switching. Again this year, > T-Mobile is offering a free subscription to MLB TV, which you would get by > using the MLB at bat app. Now I do have a question which I already asked > T-Mobile about, and their answer wasn’t entirely helpful. For those of you > who had the subscription last year, this looks like the same offer, activated > by using the T-Mobile Tuesday app. But in the email I got from T-Mobile, they > say you have to have unsubscribed from current subscription no later than > March 21. I have tried to find a way to do that, in the iTunes Store, but of > course the subscription isn’t through iTunes so that’s a dead letter. > T-Mobile said go to settings. That didn’t turn anything up. So for those of > you who had the subscription last year, how did you unsubscribe? > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Free MLB subscription for T-Mobile customers
Hi all, I suppose this is most relevant if your iPhone is on the T-Mobile network here in the US or if you were thinking about switching. Again this year, T-Mobile is offering a free subscription to MLB TV, which you would get by using the MLB at bat app. Now I do have a question which I already asked T-Mobile about, and their answer wasn’t entirely helpful. For those of you who had the subscription last year, this looks like the same offer, activated by using the T-Mobile Tuesday app. But in the email I got from T-Mobile, they say you have to have unsubscribed from current subscription no later than March 21. I have tried to find a way to do that, in the iTunes Store, but of course the subscription isn’t through iTunes so that’s a dead letter. T-Mobile said go to settings. That didn’t turn anything up. So for those of you who had the subscription last year, how did you unsubscribe? Mary Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Problem with Sero subscription on my Mac please help.
Hello. Thank you very much. Actually, I figured this out after trial and error later. Regards. Nektarios. > On 14 Nov 2018, at 13:14, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi. Actually you do need to sign in to your Sero account to use the > subscription. Even though you bought a subscription, you still need to log in > to the account you purchased the subscription for. HTH. > > Regards, > Shawn, > Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air > > Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk > Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs > Skype username: bbstheblindrapper > Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com <mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com> > >> On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Nektarios Mallas > <mailto:nmal...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi list. >> Recently I purchase a subscription to Sero through the App Store and >> everything was fine and working. >> A few days ago , I had to re install my operating system and start over. >> However, my Sero application that I of course downloaded again from the App >> Store doesn’t work. It tells me to login with my account. Obviously I can’t >> do that because this is an App Store subscription. >> I made sure that my computer is authorised through iTunes but still no >> success. >> I tried to email the support people at Serotek but they don’t know what they >> are talking about unfortunately. They don’t even understand how an app >> subscription works. >> Any help is very much appreciated. >> >> Nektarios. >> >> -- >> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >> Visionaries list. >> >> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or >> moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >> >> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: >> mk...@ucla.edu <mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> and your owner is Cara Quinn - you >> can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com <mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> >> >> The archives for this list can be searched at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries > <https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searche
Re: Problem with Sero subscription on my Mac please help.
Hi. Actually you do need to sign in to your Sero account to use the subscription. Even though you bought a subscription, you still need to log in to the account you purchased the subscription for. HTH. Regards, Shawn, Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs Skype username: bbstheblindrapper Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com > On Nov 12, 2018, at 9:58 AM, Nektarios Mallas wrote: > > Hi list. > Recently I purchase a subscription to Sero through the App Store and > everything was fine and working. > A few days ago , I had to re install my operating system and start over. > However, my Sero application that I of course downloaded again from the App > Store doesn’t work. It tells me to login with my account. Obviously I can’t > do that because this is an App Store subscription. > I made sure that my computer is authorised through iTunes but still no > success. > I tried to email the support people at Serotek but they don’t know what they > are talking about unfortunately. They don’t even understand how an app > subscription works. > Any help is very much appreciated. > > Nektarios. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at > caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Problem with Sero subscription on my Mac please help.
Hi list. Recently I purchase a subscription to Sero through the App Store and everything was fine and working. A few days ago , I had to re install my operating system and start over. However, my Sero application that I of course downloaded again from the App Store doesn’t work. It tells me to login with my account. Obviously I can’t do that because this is an App Store subscription. I made sure that my computer is authorised through iTunes but still no success. I tried to email the support people at Serotek but they don’t know what they are talking about unfortunately. They don’t even understand how an app subscription works. Any help is very much appreciated. Nektarios. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Survey: iOS users averse to subscription-based apps, but willing to spend more than Android users 9 to 5 Mac
9 to 5 Mac, Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 4:41 PM Survey: iOS users averse to subscription-based apps, but willing to spend more than Android users Earlier this week, a report explained that the App Store is still bringing in nearly double the revenue of Google Play, despite the fact that the Play Store accumulates one twice as many downloads as the App Store. Now, new research from Creative Strategies dives deeper into how consumers view and spend on the App Store. First and foremost, the research - collected from a sample of 800 United States smartphone's users - shows that 20 percent of iOS users "browse the App Store daily." Furthermore, another 32 percent say they browse it weekly. This is compared to 9 percent of users who browse the Play Store daily, and 21 percent who browse weekly. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly, the built-in search functionality in the App Store is not all that popular among users, according to this survey. Just 16 percent of App Store users say they used the built-in search functionality to find applications "as their primary method." Furthermore, 35 percent of iOS users said they use search on "occasion" but generally rely on internet search, such as Google, to locate the apps they are looking for. Search as a primary tool to find the right apps does not seem to be very popular. Only 16% of iOS panelists and 18% of Android panelists resort to it as their primary method. When getting into how effective search within the stores actually is, one gets the feeling that there is plenty of opportunity for improvement. 35% of iOS panelists said to be using search on occasion but believe internet search gives better results. 33% use search regularly and find that the results generally match what they want. When it comes to the point of deciding which app to purchase, 38 percent of iOS users say they rely more on the features provided by the app rather than reviews. Meanwhile, 44 percent of Android users cite reviews as the top point in their decision-making process. Interestingly, when it comes to paid apps, the leading drivers remain the same for both groups but only after the price of the app itself. In other words, great reviews, feature list, screenshots, and app description do not matter if the price is already beyond what the user perceives to be the right price for the app. Lastly, the survey took an attempt at the difference in spending habits between iOS and Android users. When it comes to in-app purchases, neither Android users nor iOS users were averse to in-app purchases, with 56 percent of iOS users and 64 percent of Android users say they "did not feel like they were tricked into an in-app purchase or subscription." Users did, however, express concern with subscriptions in general, with 54 percent of iOS panelists saying they would prefer a one-time payment and 47 percent of Android users coming in agreement. In terms of advertising, 46 percent of iOS users said they would make an in-app purchase to remove ads, while 38 percent of Android users said they would. The true difference between the two platforms, however, comes in the number of paid apps and subscriptions. 45 percent of iOS users surveyed claimed to have five or more paid apps or subscriptions, compared to just 19 percent of Android panelists. This data certainly echoes reports in the past that indicate a stark contrast between revenue generation on the App Store and Play Store. Read the full report here. Original Article at: https://9to5mac.com/2018/07/18/app-store-play-store-survey/ -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: mk...@ucla.edu and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
HomePod Owners With an iTunes Match or Apple Music Subscription Can Access Their iCloud Music Library Using Siri
HomePod Owners With an iTunes Match or Apple Music Subscription Can Access Their iCloud Music Library Using Siri MacRumors: Mac News and Rumors / Tim Hardwick Apple began taking pre-orders for its HomePod on Friday, but the company has remained unusually reticent regarding some of the Siri-based smart speaker's finer functions. Last week we learned that HomePod can play songs purchased through iTunes Music as well as stream podcasts and Beats 1 radio, but Apple didn't address questions about the device's handling of iTunes Match content stored in iCloud Music Libraries. For those unaware, iCloud Music Library lets users upload or "match" up to 100,000 songs from their personal music library with the DRM-free iTunes Store catalog, without eating into their standard iCloud storage allocation. The feature comes as part of Apple's iTunes Match service ($24.99 a year) and is also included with every Apple Music subscription ($9.99 monthly). As it turns out, both iTunes Match and Apple Music subscribers will be able to use HomePod's Siri voice-based activation to access tracks stored in iCloud Music Library. The detail was seemingly confirmed on Sunday by Apple, as relayed by iMore's Serenity Caldwell in a tweet. Also Sunday, Daring Fireball's John Gruber reported hearing similar iCloud Music Library support from "a friend seeded with HomePod", although how Siri works with cloud-stored tracks not matched with the official iTunes Store catalog remains unknown. Okay, got some HomePod clarification: iTunes Match *and* Apple Music users can access their iCloud Music Library via Siri. — Serenity Caldwell (@settern) January 28, 2018 To reiterate, the user whose iCloud account is linked to HomePod can access their Apple Music subscription, tracks stored in their Cloud Music Library, and iTunes Store purchases via Siri. However, Siri will not be able to control any content streamed over AirPlay from supporting devices. Meanwhile, HomePod owners without an Apple Music or iTunes Match subscription can still play music they've purchased on iTunes, as well as stream podcasts and Beats 1 radio, but Siri requests for playing songs by name, genre, artist, and so on will not be available. Apple has still to clarify how HomePod handles Family Sharing subscriptions to Apple Music, and whether the speaker's Bluetooth 5.0 specification means it will accept pairing requests from devices over the Bluetooth protocol. Apple has positioned the HomePod as a speaker that can stream Apple Music, but with built-in Siri, users can also send messages, set timers and reminders, check the news, control HomeKit-enabled smart home accessories, and complete several other tasks without needing to take out their iPhone. The speaker is equipped with spatial awareness and Apple-engineered audio technology, including a seven‑tweeter array and high-excursion woofer. It stands almost seven inches tall and is powered by Apple's A8 chip. HomePod is available in the United States ($349), UK (£319), and Australia ($499). Apple is currently taking pre-orders for the HomePod, with the device set to ship on Friday, February 9. Related Roundup: HomePod Discuss this article in our forums Original Article: https://www.macrumors.com/2018/01/29/homepod-itunes-match-apple-music-icloud-library/ Sent from my iPhone -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 1Password Subscription
Grant, Appreciate this. I will save me some money then. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/26/2017 9:59 AM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hi E.t., 1Password for Mac always stores a local copy of your data, so no matter if you sync with a 1Password account, Dropbox, or iCloud, you’ll still be able to access your data when you’re offline. Thanks, Grant On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:40 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Grant, Thanks for this feedback. The reason for my query is that there may be times (natural disasters, extended power outages, etc.) where I may need to access data I have stored in 1Password. I should probably test this with the current setup with my wifi disconnected. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> On 9/26/2017 9:29 AM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hello E.T., I did try a 1Password account on a one-month trial basis, and it worked well. There were no issues with syncing or offline access. However, after the trial ended I decided to go back to Dropbox for 1Password syncing as I didn’t think the subscription offered any benefits to me. One advantage is that you can use the Pro versions of 1Password on all platforms during your subscription, but since I already purchased 1Password for Windows and Mac, that wasn’t necessary. Thanks, Grant On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:52 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Believe it was last year that one can get a subscription for 1Password which eliminates the need for 3rd party services like Dropbox. For one person, not Family or Team, its $35 a year. Anyone using this and does it work well. Any issues with offline access to your data? From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than post
Re: 1Password Subscription
Hi E.t., 1Password for Mac always stores a local copy of your data, so no matter if you sync with a 1Password account, Dropbox, or iCloud, you’ll still be able to access your data when you’re offline. Thanks, Grant On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:40 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Grant, Thanks for this feedback. The reason for my query is that there may be times (natural disasters, extended power outages, etc.) where I may need to access data I have stored in 1Password. I should probably test this with the current setup with my wifi disconnected. >From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> On 9/26/2017 9:29 AM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hello E.T., I did try a 1Password account on a one-month trial basis, and it worked well. There were no issues with syncing or offline access. However, after the trial ended I decided to go back to Dropbox for 1Password syncing as I didn’t think the subscription offered any benefits to me. One advantage is that you can use the Pro versions of 1Password on all platforms during your subscription, but since I already purchased 1Password for Windows and Mac, that wasn’t necessary. Thanks, Grant On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:52 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Believe it was last year that one can get a subscription for 1Password which eliminates the need for 3rd party services like Dropbox. For one person, not Family or Team, its $35 a year. Anyone using this and does it work well. Any issues with offline access to your data? >From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this messag
Re: 1Password Subscription
Grant, Thanks for this feedback. The reason for my query is that there may be times (natural disasters, extended power outages, etc.) where I may need to access data I have stored in 1Password. I should probably test this with the current setup with my wifi disconnected. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/26/2017 9:29 AM, Grant Hardy wrote: Hello E.T., I did try a 1Password account on a one-month trial basis, and it worked well. There were no issues with syncing or offline access. However, after the trial ended I decided to go back to Dropbox for 1Password syncing as I didn’t think the subscription offered any benefits to me. One advantage is that you can use the Pro versions of 1Password on all platforms during your subscription, but since I already purchased 1Password for Windows and Mac, that wasn’t necessary. Thanks, Grant On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:52 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Believe it was last year that one can get a subscription for 1Password which eliminates the need for 3rd party services like Dropbox. For one person, not Family or Team, its $35 a year. Anyone using this and does it work well. Any issues with offline access to your data? From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com <mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: 1Password Subscription
Hello E.T., I did try a 1Password account on a one-month trial basis, and it worked well. There were no issues with syncing or offline access. However, after the trial ended I decided to go back to Dropbox for 1Password syncing as I didn’t think the subscription offered any benefits to me. One advantage is that you can use the Pro versions of 1Password on all platforms during your subscription, but since I already purchased 1Password for Windows and Mac, that wasn’t necessary. Thanks, Grant On Sep 24, 2017, at 9:52 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com>> wrote: Believe it was last year that one can get a subscription for 1Password which eliminates the need for 3rd party services like Dropbox. For one person, not Family or Team, its $35 a year. Anyone using this and does it work well. Any issues with offline access to your data? >From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com<mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com> -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
1Password Subscription
Believe it was last year that one can get a subscription for 1Password which eliminates the need for 3rd party services like Dropbox. For one person, not Family or Team, its $35 a year. Anyone using this and does it work well. Any issues with offline access to your data? From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
It’s also important to note that old versions of the software that were non subscription also work. An old version of word will still be readable by the new. The other way doesn’t work but you’ll get your resume out there in a suitable format to address the poster’s concerns. > On Aug 18, 2017, at 3:36 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What happens to anybody in this situation, find a free or lowcost option with > limited accessibility or limited features. Many sighted people only use > Office at work because their employer pays for it. When they are between > jobs, they go to places like libraries, internet cafes, One Stop or other > employment centres, and so forth. > > Personally, I use pages, numbers, and KeyNote on my iPhone and iPad. They are > fully accessible, and, in many ways, work better than MS Office Word, Excel, > and PowerPoint on either iOS, or Windows with JAWS. > > Note: A large part of my job is group presentations using slide shows > (PowerPoint converted to KeyNote) using my iPad connected to a projector and > room sound system. > > Kind regards, > > David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA > Email: dchitten...@gmail.com > Mobile: +61 488 988 936 > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 18/08/2017, at 08:55, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote: >> >> What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay >> subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to >> update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to >> office. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be >>> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more >>> optimized for network cloud access. People will have different models but >>> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the >>> ownership of software. Whether the company makes money on your data like a >>> Google or charges you directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust >>> experience though so I like the model my self. >>> >>> Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded >>> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the >>> fast update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology >>> which calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well >>> to this type of development. >>> We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and >>> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single >>> subscription anyway. >>> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >>>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >>>> >>>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off >>>> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of >>>> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >>>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >>>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total >>>> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >>>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop >>>> defending it. >>>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, >>>> looking for alternatives. >>>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets >>>> In" >>>> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >>>> >>>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We >>>> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right >>>> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a >>>> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep >>>> delivering just that. >>>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has >>>> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't >>>> sustainable. >>>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >>>> s
Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
You do what the rest of the world does, get another job. You use free options if you can’t afford the paid options. You can go to the library or some school campuses. Chances are though you’ll already have what you need. Even a text editor will generate a good resume. > On Aug 17, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote: > > What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay > subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to > update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to > office. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be >> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more >> optimized for network cloud access. People will have different models but >> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the >> ownership of software. Whether the company makes money on your data like a >> Google or charges you directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust >> experience though so I like the model my self. >> >> Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded >> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the fast >> update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which >> calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this >> type of development. >> We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and >> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single >> subscription anyway. >> >>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >>> >>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off >>> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of >>> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total >>> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop >>> defending it. >>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, >>> looking for alternatives. >>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets >>> In" >>> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >>> >>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We >>> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right >>> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a >>> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep >>> delivering just that. >>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has >>> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. >>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >>> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. >>> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its >>> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users >>> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up >>> to a monthly or annual subscription. >>> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell >>> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the >>> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy >>> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. >>> We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy >>> individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting >>> them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed >>> monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. >>> And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than >>> owning, our music. >>> >>> The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of >&g
RE: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
Libra office or pages numbers and keynote should work fine. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Friday, 18 August 2017 7:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? What happens to anybody in this situation, find a free or lowcost option with limited accessibility or limited features. Many sighted people only use Office at work because their employer pays for it. When they are between jobs, they go to places like libraries, internet cafes, One Stop or other employment centres, and so forth. Personally, I use pages, numbers, and KeyNote on my iPhone and iPad. They are fully accessible, and, in many ways, work better than MS Office Word, Excel, and PowerPoint on either iOS, or Windows with JAWS. Note: A large part of my job is group presentations using slide shows (PowerPoint converted to KeyNote) using my iPad connected to a projector and room sound system. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhone > On 18/08/2017, at 08:55, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote: > > What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay > subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to > update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to > office. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be >> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more >> optimized for network cloud access. People will have different models but >> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the >> ownership of software. Whether the company makes money on your data like a >> Google or charges you directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust >> experience though so I like the model my self. >> >> Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded >> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the fast >> update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which >> calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this >> type of development. >> We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and >> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single >> subscription anyway. >> >>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >>> >>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a >>> one-off purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a >>> great deal of criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a >>> total waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to >>> stop defending it. >>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but >>> I'm out, looking for alternatives. >>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave >>> and Gets In" >>> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >>> >>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to >>> come. We want to heavily invest in its development, and this >>> requires the right setting for our team, our families and our users. >>> Writers want to rely on a professional tool that is constantly >>> evolving, and we want to keep delivering just that. >>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first >>> launched has now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this >>> isn't sustainable. >>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >>> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. >>> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started >>> offering its subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. >>> At that point, users could choose between buying individual apps, >>> buying packages - or signing-up to a
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Yeah I've got a couple of applications this way I mean the monthly subscriptions and it works great so long as they keep updating things It's the pay for the product and it disappears that hacks me off the most. Although I have a couple of those also and they are going strong One I use for work from my iPad or iPhone is AD assist which lets me connect to an active directory domain or 3 and make changes or add / remove users, This app cost me 10 dollars nz and is now up to 18 dollars so its obviously getting better and more commonly used. There will be pros and cons of course for both situations. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Thursday, 17 August 2017 1:52 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop defending it. Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, looking for alternatives. Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets In" The company, of course, has its own rationale . We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep delivering just that. The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up to a monthly or annual subscription. But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than owning, our music. The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more affordable up-front cost. And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know whether I'd choose to own any music. In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason. Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and you knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to the latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would only be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly fee was a decent alternative. In TV and movies, renting rather than owning can again save you money. Many have dispensed with traditional TV packages, and buying movies outright, and instead pay just $8-12 per month for a Netflix subscription. Provided the shows you want are available, that's a great deal. Some people even effectively choose to rent their iPhone. In the old days, you did this as a hidden cost in your
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What happens to anybody in this situation, find a free or lowcost option with limited accessibility or limited features. Many sighted people only use Office at work because their employer pays for it. When they are between jobs, they go to places like libraries, internet cafes, One Stop or other employment centres, and so forth. Personally, I use pages, numbers, and KeyNote on my iPhone and iPad. They are fully accessible, and, in many ways, work better than MS Office Word, Excel, and PowerPoint on either iOS, or Windows with JAWS. Note: A large part of my job is group presentations using slide shows (PowerPoint converted to KeyNote) using my iPad connected to a projector and room sound system. Kind regards, David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +61 488 988 936 Sent from my iPhone > On 18/08/2017, at 08:55, Ryan Mann <rm...@technologyisawesome.com> wrote: > > What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay > subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to > update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to > office. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be >> hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more >> optimized for network cloud access. People will have different models but >> in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the >> ownership of software. Whether the company makes money on your data like a >> Google or charges you directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust >> experience though so I like the model my self. >> >> Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded >> mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the fast >> update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which >> calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this >> type of development. >> We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and >> then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single >> subscription anyway. >> >>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >>> >>> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >>> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >>> >>> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off >>> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of >>> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >>> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >>> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total >>> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >>> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop >>> defending it. >>> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, >>> looking for alternatives. >>> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets >>> In" >>> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >>> >>> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We >>> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right >>> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a >>> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep >>> delivering just that. >>> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has >>> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. >>> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >>> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. >>> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its >>> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users >>> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up >>> to a monthly or annual subscription. >>> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell >>> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the >>> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy >>> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version
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What happens if you lose your job and you can no longer afford to pay subscriptions for software you need? For example, if you want to use word to update your resume, you would need to keep paying for the subscription to office. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 17, 2017, at 9:53 AM, Scott Granados <scott.grana...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be hosted > in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more optimized for > network cloud access. People will have different models but in the end the > end user will be paying for the use of rather than the ownership of software. > Whether the company makes money on your data like a Google or charges you > directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust experience though so I > like the model my self. > > Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded > mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the fast > update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which > calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this > type of development. >We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and > then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single > subscription anyway. > >> On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: >> >> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >> >> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off >> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of >> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total >> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop >> defending it. >> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, >> looking for alternatives. >> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets >> In" >> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >> >> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We >> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right >> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a >> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep >> delivering just that. >> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has >> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. >> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. >> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its >> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users >> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up >> to a monthly or annual subscription. >> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell >> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the >> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy >> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. >> We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy >> individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting >> them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed >> monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. >> And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than >> owning, our music. >> >> The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of >> course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep >> updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more >> affordable up-front cost. >> And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music >> as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many >> of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the >> years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant >> access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a >> $10 cost of entry to almost a
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Most definitely this is the new model. Any major applications will be hosted in the cloud, especially as end devices become more and more optimized for network cloud access. People will have different models but in the end the end user will be paying for the use of rather than the ownership of software. Whether the company makes money on your data like a Google or charges you directly you pay for it. You get a much more robust experience though so I like the model my self. Microsoft is a good example of this. I like the fact office is upgraded mainly because accessibility is something that’s improving. I like the fast update cycle. Some use what’s called the agile software methodology which calls for weekly or even daily updates. This model lends itself well to this type of development. We all seem to forget when software was 3, 4 or 5 figures up front and then there was a support fee on top usually yearly. Give me a single subscription anyway. > On Aug 16, 2017, at 9:52 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > > 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM > Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? > > The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off > purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of > criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. > Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. > I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total > waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. > This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop > defending it. > Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, > looking for alternatives. > Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets > In" > The company, of course, has its own rationale . > > We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We > want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right > setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a > professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep > delivering just that. > The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has > now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. > And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a > subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. > The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its > subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users > could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up > to a monthly or annual subscription. > But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell > its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the > latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy > outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. > We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy > individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting > them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed > monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. > And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than > owning, our music. > > The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of > course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep > updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more > affordable up-front cost. > And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music > as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many > of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the > years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant > access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a > $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an > incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know > whether I'd choose to own any music. > In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason. > Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and you > knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to the > latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to > upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would only > be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly f
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There is one option that is very similar to Apple Music for Macintosh Apps. I can't remember the name of the service, but for about $10 a month you get access to 40 or so applications and any of those applications that you actually install get a cut of the monthly revenue. TIDBIT.com <http://tidbit.com/> has written at least two articles on this. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Aug 17, 2017, at 1:06 AM, E.T. <ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > > Its a mixed bag. Some types of apps may be better suited for a subscription > plan. Media for example. > > But there are many that should remain one-time purchases. For every 100 > developers that jump on board, we probably see more than half drop out. > > In preparation for a new iPhone and iOS 11, I purged many apps. Over 2 > dozen were no longer in the app store and quite a few of those were paid apps. > > I reckon we will see how things shake down. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . > "God for you is where you sweep away all the > mysteries of the world, all the challenges to > our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off > and say God did it." --Carl Sagan > E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 8/16/2017 6:52 PM, M. Taylor wrote: >> 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM >> Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? >> >> The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off >> purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of >> criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. >> Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. >> I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total >> waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. >> This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop >> defending it. >> Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, >> looking for alternatives. >> Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets >> In" >> The company, of course, has its own rationale . >> >> We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We >> want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right >> setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a >> professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep >> delivering just that. >> The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has >> now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. >> And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a >> subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. >> The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its >> subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users >> could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up >> to a monthly or annual subscription. >> But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell >> its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the >> latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy >> outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. >> We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy >> individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting >> them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed >> monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. >> And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than >> owning, our music. >> >> The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of >> course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep >> updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more >> affordable up-front cost. >> And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music >> as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many >> of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the >> years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant >> access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a >> $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an >> incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know >> whether I'd choose to own any music. >&
Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
Its a mixed bag. Some types of apps may be better suited for a subscription plan. Media for example. But there are many that should remain one-time purchases. For every 100 developers that jump on board, we probably see more than half drop out. In preparation for a new iPhone and iOS 11, I purged many apps. Over 2 dozen were no longer in the app store and quite a few of those were paid apps. I reckon we will see how things shake down. From E.T.'s Keyboard. . . "God for you is where you sweep away all the mysteries of the world, all the challenges to our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off and say God did it." --Carl Sagan E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 8/16/2017 6:52 PM, M. Taylor wrote: 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop defending it. Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, looking for alternatives. Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets In" The company, of course, has its own rationale . We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep delivering just that. The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up to a monthly or annual subscription. But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than owning, our music. The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more affordable up-front cost. And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know whether I'd choose to own any music. In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason. Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and you knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to the latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would only be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly fee was a decent alternative. In TV and movies, renting rather than owning can again save you money. Many have dispensed with traditional TV packages, and buying movies outright, and instead pay just $8-12 per month for a Netflix subscription. Provided the shows you want are available, that's a great deal. Some people even effectively choose to rent their iPhone. In the old days, you did this as a hidden cost in your carrier's plan, now you can do it through Apple's iPhone Upgrade Program. That's again a way of turning a large lump-sum payment into a more manageable monthly one. But there are, I think, fo
Re: Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
I agree with what the person said in this article. I wouldn't mind paying every so often for a major update, but having everything as a monthly fee would get to be a bit much after a while. On 8/16/17, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote: > 9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM > Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? > > The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off > purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of > criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. > Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. > I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total > waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. > This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop > defending it. > Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, > looking for alternatives. > Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets > In" > The company, of course, has its own rationale . > > We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We > want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right > setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a > professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep > delivering just that. > The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has > now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't > sustainable. > And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a > subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. > The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering > its > subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, > users > could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or > signing-up > to a monthly or annual subscription. > But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell > its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the > latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still > buy > outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription > version. > We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy > individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting > them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed > monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. > And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than > owning, our music. > > The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of > course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to > keep > updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more > affordable up-front cost. > And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music > as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, > many > of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the > years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant > access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having > a > $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite > an > incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know > whether I'd choose to own any music. > In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason. > Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and > you > knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to > the > latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to > upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would > only > be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly fee > was a decent alternative. > In TV and movies, renting rather than owning can again save you money. Many > have dispensed with traditional TV packages, and buying movies outright, > and > instead pay just $8-12 per month for a Netflix subscription. Provided the > shows you want are available, that's a great deal. > Some people even effectively choose to rent their iPhone. In the old days, > you did this as a hidden cost in your carrier's plan, now you can do it > through Apple's iPhone Upgrade Program. That's again a way of turning a > large lump-sum payment into a more manageable monthly one. > But there are, I think, four reasons why many of us feel reluctant to > switch > from outright purchase of apps to a s
Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode?
9to5Mac - Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 6:41 AM Opinion: Are subscription-based apps the future, or will they implode? The decision of the popular writing app Ulysses to switch from a one-off purchase to a monthly or annual subscription has attracted a great deal of criticism. Here's a sprinkling of views from the comments. Subscribe to a text editor? I'm out. I bought this on iOS last week. As far as I'm concerned, that was a total waste of money now they're moving to this subscription model. This "rent your software" crap needs to stop, and people need to stop defending it. Ulysses is a great app and I wish the developers all the best, but I'm out, looking for alternatives. Read: "Popular iOS and Mac writing app Ulysses Digs Its Own Grave and Gets In" The company, of course, has its own rationale . We want to make sure the app will be around for years and years to come. We want to heavily invest in its development, and this requires the right setting for our team, our families and our users. Writers want to rely on a professional tool that is constantly evolving, and we want to keep delivering just that. The company says that anyone who bought the app when it first launched has now received nine major updates at no cost, and that this isn't sustainable. And, of course, Ullysses isn't the only app to have switched to a subscription model - nor the only company to come under fire for doing so. The highest-profile example is Adobe. The company first started offering its subscription-based Creative Cloud service back in 2012. At that point, users could choose between buying individual apps, buying packages - or signing-up to a monthly or annual subscription. But just a year later, the company announced that it would no longer sell its Creative Suite software outright, and that the only way to get the latest versions would be via subscription. Even for apps you could still buy outright, you didn't get the same functionality as the subscription version. We're seeing the same trend everywhere. Right now, you can still buy individual TV shows and movies, but iTunes popularized the idea of renting them instead, and companies like Netflix take things further with a fixed monthly subscription for all-you-can-eat streaming access. And, of course, Apple Music now gives us the option of renting, rather than owning, our music. The idea of renting rather than owning isn't without its benefits, of course. Developers get a steady stream of income, which enables them to keep updating apps and adding new features, while users get access at a more affordable up-front cost. And for some apps and services, it makes sound financial sense. Take music as an example. Back in the days when the only option was to buy albums, many of us spent thousands - sometimes tens of thousands - of dollars over the years. A young person today can lay out ten bucks a month and get instant access to more music than any of us will ever own in our lifetimes. Having a $10 cost of entry to almost all the music commercially available is quite an incredible thing. If I were starting out today, I honestly don't know whether I'd choose to own any music. In software, Adobe was able to get away with it for much the same reason. Outright purchase of a suite of its apps could again cost thousands, and you knew it was only a matter of time before you'd need to pay to upgrade to the latest version. Indeed, many photographers found themselves forced to upgrade when they bought a new camera as the RAW converter for it would only be available for the latest version of Lightroom. An affordable monthly fee was a decent alternative. In TV and movies, renting rather than owning can again save you money. Many have dispensed with traditional TV packages, and buying movies outright, and instead pay just $8-12 per month for a Netflix subscription. Provided the shows you want are available, that's a great deal. Some people even effectively choose to rent their iPhone. In the old days, you did this as a hidden cost in your carrier's plan, now you can do it through Apple's iPhone Upgrade Program. That's again a way of turning a large lump-sum payment into a more manageable monthly one. But there are, I think, four reasons why many of us feel reluctant to switch from outright purchase of apps to a subscription model. The first is purely psychological. We're used to paying a one-off fee, with maybe an occasional and optional major update fee some years down the road, and that being it. The idea of instead being forced to lay out cash every month for continued access to an app feels somehow wrong. Many feel they are being taken advantage of, especially if it's an app they've used for years and come to rely on. The second is the lifetime cost. I can't even remember now what I paid for my three versions of Lightroom, but from memory the last one I bought - Lightroom 3 - cost me about $150 back in 2011. I'm still using it today. If I'd instead bee
Re: Spodify subscription question
Yes it will. God bless. Matt Dierckens, Certified assistive technology specialist Macintosh, iOS, and windows Trainor Canadian phone: 519-962-9140 US phone: 573-401-1018 > On Oct 27, 2016, at 21:22, Sarai Bucciarelli <sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Sarai D. Bucciarelli www.linkedin.com/in/SaraiDBucciarelli > > Hi: > I have my spodify subscription paid through itunes. If I get an itunes card, > will that pay for my subscription? > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: > macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you > can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark at: macvisionaries+modera...@googlegroups.com and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Spodify subscription question
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Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi Tim, I do the same thing you do. Can't imagine why my husband would want to schlep a CD and a player, when all you have to do is download it to your phone first. But to each their own. :) Cheers, Donna > On Jun 10, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm with you on this as well Donna. In my case, I use iTunes movies and > other media as opposed to CD/DVD copies. As long as I download the media to > my iDevice first, I'm OK when flying. I'm not excited about purchasing WiFi > either. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 12:38, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > I agree 100%, Mary. > > Another time it has come in handy to own our own movies has been air-travel. > Both my husband and I refuse to pay for wifi on a plane. My husband can > never keep track of his apple ID info, so on planes, he takes a portable disk > player and a movie. That may seem archaic for many on the list, but it works > for him and at least he has the option. > Cheers, > Donna >> On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Donna, >> You have hit the nail on the head regarding why I like to own things rather >> than just subscribe and keep paying. I know Apple has said they are not >> considering getting rid of iTunes music purchases that you can download for >> now. The rumor persists. And I think it would be an absolutely her Renda's >> idea. I too have been purchasing music for a very very long time. Most all >> of it is now on a hard drive and also in the cloud. I love the convenience >> of the cloud. But having my own copies where I can get at them is a sensual. >> Also, while I do subscribe to Apple Music, I do so for purposes of >> discovery. If I really like something, I buy it. And if in the future I >> can't see paying the 10 bucks a month for Apple Music, I can cut it out and >> still no that I have a substantial music library at my fingertips for which >> I do not have to pay and keep paying. >> Mary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Scott, >>> >>> I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another >>> perspective. >>> >>> My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we >>> were coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at >>> the university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal >>> disaster. so, things are a lot tighter around our household than they were >>> when we lived in Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our >>> subscription services as a way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, >>> is that we own a pretty large library of music, movies etc. You're right, >>> one subscription of a few bucks a month is pretty easy for most people to >>> swing, but 30 different subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario >>> where most apps are subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For >>> us, owning our own content is saving us some real money right now. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going >>>> back to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my >>>> music collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all >>>> virtualized in the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, >>>> I’ve argued about the sound quality issues before but the access and >>>> flexability are sure nice. >>>> I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over >>>> long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. >>>> You probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner >>>> cities where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because >>>> content was so expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. >>>> People were literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs >>>> of cars. Now you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few >>>> bucks per month or even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of >>>> thing back in the day. I remember being in college discussing digital >&
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi, I'm with you on this as well Donna. In my case, I use iTunes movies and other media as opposed to CD/DVD copies. As long as I download the media to my iDevice first, I'm OK when flying. I'm not excited about purchasing WiFi either. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 10, 2016, at 12:38, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: I agree 100%, Mary. Another time it has come in handy to own our own movies has been air-travel. Both my husband and I refuse to pay for wifi on a plane. My husband can never keep track of his apple ID info, so on planes, he takes a portable disk player and a movie. That may seem archaic for many on the list, but it works for him and at least he has the option. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Donna, > You have hit the nail on the head regarding why I like to own things rather > than just subscribe and keep paying. I know Apple has said they are not > considering getting rid of iTunes music purchases that you can download for > now. The rumor persists. And I think it would be an absolutely her Renda's > idea. I too have been purchasing music for a very very long time. Most all of > it is now on a hard drive and also in the cloud. I love the convenience of > the cloud. But having my own copies where I can get at them is a sensual. > Also, while I do subscribe to Apple Music, I do so for purposes of discovery. > If I really like something, I buy it. And if in the future I can't see paying > the 10 bucks a month for Apple Music, I can cut it out and still no that I > have a substantial music library at my fingertips for which I do not have to > pay and keep paying. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hey Scott, >> >> I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another >> perspective. >> >> My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we were >> coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at the >> university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal disaster. >> so, things are a lot tighter around our household than they were when we >> lived in Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our subscription >> services as a way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, is that we own >> a pretty large library of music, movies etc. You're right, one subscription >> of a few bucks a month is pretty easy for most people to swing, but 30 >> different subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario where most apps >> are subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For us, owning our >> own content is saving us some real money right now. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back >>> to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music >>> collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized >>> in the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued >>> about the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are >>> sure nice. >>> I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over >>> long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. >>> You probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner >>> cities where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because >>> content was so expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. >>> People were literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of >>> cars. Now you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks >>> per month or even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing >>> back in the day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal >>> processing and how we thought it would never be possible to store music or >>> video totally in memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day >>> and not only that we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting >>> things. I’d rather people have access to the world for a few bucks per >>> month or even free with advertising than not have the access at all and be >>> cut off. >>> >>> Good discussion, interesting the different angles. >>> >>> >>>> On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macv
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
I agree 100%, Mary. Another time it has come in handy to own our own movies has been air-travel. Both my husband and I refuse to pay for wifi on a plane. My husband can never keep track of his apple ID info, so on planes, he takes a portable disk player and a movie. That may seem archaic for many on the list, but it works for him and at least he has the option. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 10, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Donna, > You have hit the nail on the head regarding why I like to own things rather > than just subscribe and keep paying. I know Apple has said they are not > considering getting rid of iTunes music purchases that you can download for > now. The rumor persists. And I think it would be an absolutely her Renda's > idea. I too have been purchasing music for a very very long time. Most all of > it is now on a hard drive and also in the cloud. I love the convenience of > the cloud. But having my own copies where I can get at them is a sensual. > Also, while I do subscribe to Apple Music, I do so for purposes of discovery. > If I really like something, I buy it. And if in the future I can't see paying > the 10 bucks a month for Apple Music, I can cut it out and still no that I > have a substantial music library at my fingertips for which I do not have to > pay and keep paying. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >> >> Hey Scott, >> >> I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another >> perspective. >> >> My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we were >> coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at the >> university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal disaster. >> so, things are a lot tighter around our household than they were when we >> lived in Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our subscription >> services as a way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, is that we own >> a pretty large library of music, movies etc. You're right, one subscription >> of a few bucks a month is pretty easy for most people to swing, but 30 >> different subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario where most apps >> are subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For us, owning our >> own content is saving us some real money right now. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back >>> to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music >>> collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized >>> in the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued >>> about the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are >>> sure nice. >>> I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over >>> long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. >>> You probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner >>> cities where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because >>> content was so expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. >>> People were literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of >>> cars. Now you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks >>> per month or even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing >>> back in the day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal >>> processing and how we thought it would never be possible to store music or >>> video totally in memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day >>> and not only that we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting >>> things. I’d rather people have access to the world for a few bucks per >>> month or even free with advertising than not have the access at all and be >>> cut off. >>> >>> Good discussion, interesting the different angles. >>> >>> >>>> On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on >>>> behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey Scott, >>>> >>>> I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope >>>> you are right that both models will be supported for a while. I >>>> completely agree tha
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Hi Donna, You have hit the nail on the head regarding why I like to own things rather than just subscribe and keep paying. I know Apple has said they are not considering getting rid of iTunes music purchases that you can download for now. The rumor persists. And I think it would be an absolutely her Renda's idea. I too have been purchasing music for a very very long time. Most all of it is now on a hard drive and also in the cloud. I love the convenience of the cloud. But having my own copies where I can get at them is a sensual. Also, while I do subscribe to Apple Music, I do so for purposes of discovery. If I really like something, I buy it. And if in the future I can't see paying the 10 bucks a month for Apple Music, I can cut it out and still no that I have a substantial music library at my fingertips for which I do not have to pay and keep paying. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 10, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Hey Scott, > > I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another perspective. > > My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we were > coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at the > university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal disaster. so, > things are a lot tighter around our household than they were when we lived in > Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our subscription services as a > way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, is that we own a pretty large > library of music, movies etc. You're right, one subscription of a few bucks > a month is pretty easy for most people to swing, but 30 different > subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario where most apps are > subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For us, owning our own > content is saving us some real money right now. > Cheers, > Donna >> On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back >> to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music >> collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized >> in the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued >> about the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are >> sure nice. >>I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over >> long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. >> You probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner >> cities where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because >> content was so expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. >> People were literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of >> cars. Now you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks >> per month or even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing >> back in the day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal >> processing and how we thought it would never be possible to store music or >> video totally in memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day >> and not only that we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting >> things. I’d rather people have access to the world for a few bucks per >> month or even free with advertising than not have the access at all and be >> cut off. >> >> Good discussion, interesting the different angles. >> >> >>> On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on >>> behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hey Scott, >>> >>> I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope >>> you are right that both models will be supported for a while. I completely >>> agree that app developers should be able to earn a living just like anybody >>> else. >>> >>> Yes I remember the old days when you bought boxes of software in a brick >>> and mortar store. I don't necessarily need to go back to those days. I'm >>> all in favor of the cloud and being able to download software. It's much >>> easier and more efficient. But to me, those are two separate issues, the >>> one is how you obtain your software, music, etc, and store data, the other >>> is whether you lease or own. I'd rather own. :)I do see what you're >>> talking about how younger people use subscription services, but I also >>> wonder if the pendulum will swing back on this one eventually.
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Hey Scott, I agree with you about everyone having access, but here's another perspective. My husband took a huge salary hit when we moved to Illinois, because we were coming here to be closer to our families. The job I was promised at the university never materialized--as you may know, IL is a fiscal disaster. so, things are a lot tighter around our household than they were when we lived in Michigan. As a result, we've cut out most of our subscription services as a way to cut corners. One reason we can do that, is that we own a pretty large library of music, movies etc. You're right, one subscription of a few bucks a month is pretty easy for most people to swing, but 30 different subscriptions--I'm thinking here of the scenario where most apps are subscription based--is a whole different scenario. For us, owning our own content is saving us some real money right now. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 10, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back > to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music > collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized in > the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued about > the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are sure nice. > I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over > long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. You > probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner cities > where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because content was so > expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. People were > literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of cars. Now > you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks per month or > even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing back in the > day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal processing and > how we thought it would never be possible to store music or video totally in > memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day and not only that > we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting things. I’d rather > people have access to the world for a few bucks per month or even free with > advertising than not have the access at all and be cut off. > > Good discussion, interesting the different angles. > > > On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: > >> Hey Scott, >> >> I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope >> you are right that both models will be supported for a while. I completely >> agree that app developers should be able to earn a living just like anybody >> else. >> >> Yes I remember the old days when you bought boxes of software in a brick and >> mortar store. I don't necessarily need to go back to those days. I'm all >> in favor of the cloud and being able to download software. It's much easier >> and more efficient. But to me, those are two separate issues, the one is >> how you obtain your software, music, etc, and store data, the other is >> whether you lease or own. I'd rather own. :)I do see what you're talking >> about how younger people use subscription services, but I also wonder if the >> pendulum will swing back on this one eventually. I have a huge music >> library, all of which I own. Yes, if I were to calculate the cost of >> purchasing all that music, it'd be ridiculous - I've been buying music for >> 40 years. But in a way that's precisely the point. I bought what I wanted, >> when I wanted *and when I could afford it. If I was short on cash at a >> given time, I wasn't faced with having to either pay up or lose access to my >> music library. Maybe the pendulum won't ever swing back, but I see real >> advantages to ownership, many of which have already been pointed out. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite >>> bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes >>> sake. So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all >>> sort of fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the >>> curve.:) I would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I >>> think I come down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like
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Donna, see I can see where you’re coming from but I don’t see us going back to the old model. I was thinking the other day what happened to my music collection. I used to have crates and crates and now it’s all virtualized in the cloud somewhere. I’m not sure that’s entirely good, I’ve argued about the sound quality issues before but the access and flexability are sure nice. I would argue that dedicating huge parts of our incomes or saving over long durations for media while it was the norm kept a lot of people out. You probably weren’t exposed to a lot of the culture from the poor inner cities where massive bootlegging and tape swapping took place because content was so expensive and it was also the only way to self publish. People were literally selling their own stuff or others out of the backs of cars. Now you’ve got the world’s music library available for a few bucks per month or even free on some services. We dreamed of that sort of thing back in the day. I remember being in college discussing digital signal processing and how we thought it would never be possible to store music or video totally in memory or in non moving systems. Now we do that every day and not only that we have the bandwidth to the home to do interesting things. I’d rather people have access to the world for a few bucks per month or even free with advertising than not have the access at all and be cut off. Good discussion, interesting the different angles. On 6/10/16, 9:32 AM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >Hey Scott, > >I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope you >are right that both models will be supported for a while. I completely agree >that app developers should be able to earn a living just like anybody else. > >Yes I remember the old days when you bought boxes of software in a brick and >mortar store. I don't necessarily need to go back to those days. I'm all in >favor of the cloud and being able to download software. It's much easier and >more efficient. But to me, those are two separate issues, the one is how you >obtain your software, music, etc, and store data, the other is whether you >lease or own. I'd rather own. :)I do see what you're talking about how >younger people use subscription services, but I also wonder if the pendulum >will swing back on this one eventually. I have a huge music library, all of >which I own. Yes, if I were to calculate the cost of purchasing all that >music, it'd be ridiculous - I've been buying music for 40 years. But in a way >that's precisely the point. I bought what I wanted, when I wanted *and when I >could afford it. If I was short on cash at a given time, I wasn't faced with >having to either pay up or lose access to my music library. Maybe the >pendulum won't ever swing back, but I see real advantages to ownership, many >of which have already been pointed out. >Cheers, >Donna > >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite >> bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes sake. >> So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all sort of >> fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the curve.:) I >> would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I think I come >> down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like I said I think >> enough people at least for the short to medium term will like the old model >> so both will be supported in some form. >> Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has >> already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so used >> to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the idea of >> anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older crowd >> still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but boxes >> of software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming systems. >> Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine being in >> that business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is dedicated >> to software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world of Netflix >> and hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay a fee for >> access to huge libraries why would software be different? >> >> It’s a brave new world out there. >> >> >> On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on >> behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>
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Hey Scott, I agree that it will be interesting to see how this plays out, and I hope you are right that both models will be supported for a while. I completely agree that app developers should be able to earn a living just like anybody else. Yes I remember the old days when you bought boxes of software in a brick and mortar store. I don't necessarily need to go back to those days. I'm all in favor of the cloud and being able to download software. It's much easier and more efficient. But to me, those are two separate issues, the one is how you obtain your software, music, etc, and store data, the other is whether you lease or own. I'd rather own. :)I do see what you're talking about how younger people use subscription services, but I also wonder if the pendulum will swing back on this one eventually. I have a huge music library, all of which I own. Yes, if I were to calculate the cost of purchasing all that music, it'd be ridiculous - I've been buying music for 40 years. But in a way that's precisely the point. I bought what I wanted, when I wanted *and when I could afford it. If I was short on cash at a given time, I wasn't faced with having to either pay up or lose access to my music library. Maybe the pendulum won't ever swing back, but I see real advantages to ownership, many of which have already been pointed out. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 9, 2016, at 1:06 PM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite > bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes sake. > So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all sort of > fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the curve.:) I > would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I think I come down > somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like I said I think > enough people at least for the short to medium term will like the old model > so both will be supported in some form. > Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has > already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so used > to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the idea of > anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older crowd > still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but boxes of > software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming systems. > Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine being in that > business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is dedicated to > software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world of Netflix and > hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay a fee for access > to huge libraries why would software be different? > > It’s a brave new world out there. > > > On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on > behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: > >> Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated >> that there are some on this list who seem to think that because one >> expresses a different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", >> "unable to adapt to change" etc. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >>> >>> Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end >>> both models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long >>> while still like to own their software and others will lease. As my >>> favorite talk show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s >>> why they make Chocolate and Vanilla”. >>> >>> >>> On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >>>> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >>>> >>>> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >>>> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >>>> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user, >>>> an annual makes sense. >>>> >>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>>> Many believe that we have been visited >>>> in the past. What if it were true? >>>> >>>> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>> +
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Monday where you are, Tuesday where I am, And I'll say early Tuesday morning here, about 6 am, So theoretically I see it before it's happened! Or is that after it's happened. Oh well either way it's next week. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 7:34 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Do you mean Monday? If so, possibly. > On 10 Jun 2016, at 08:32, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > So is this something that will be announced on Tuesday for the wwdc keynote? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber > Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 1:28 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster > Approvals, and Search Ads > > Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans > that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is > talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search > something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay > a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! > LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the > united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps > right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind > Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever > believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping > on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to > adapt. > > Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus > > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the > users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not > purchase. > Cheers, > Donna > On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: > > Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just > published this. Link: > http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store<http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> > > Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept > of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple > for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things > Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a > shame, is all. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel t
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Scott and Donna, I gotta say I'm not a great fan of change but it's part of life and everything is changing technology, the environment or ourselves so it's just a case of getting on with life and finding out how you can best work with the changes or if need be work around them. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 6:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes sake. So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all sort of fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the curve.:) I would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I think I come down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like I said I think enough people at least for the short to medium term will like the old model so both will be supported in some form. Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so used to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the idea of anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older crowd still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but boxes of software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming systems. Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine being in that business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is dedicated to software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world of Netflix and hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay a fee for access to huge libraries why would software be different? It’s a brave new world out there. On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated that >there are some on this list who seem to think that because one expresses a >different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", "unable to >adapt to change" etc. >Cheers, >Donna >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both >> models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while >> still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk >> show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make >> Chocolate and Vanilla”. >> >> >> On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >>> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >>> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >>> >>> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >>> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >>> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the >>> user, an annual makes sense. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were >>> true? >>> >>> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If >>>> +you >>>> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up >>>> for office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to >>>> bash Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 >>>> thing, not bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally >>>> worth it when you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and >>>> that didn’t include unlimited upgrades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the >>>> cost of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to >>>> cost when we complain now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >>>> <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>> *Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Date:
RE: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi Donna, That's along the lines of office 365, You pay per month for the package or service and in the case of office if you want to upgrade that's fine, if you don't you just keep using the version that you've got but the patching is free, the upgrades are part of the monthly charge -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 4:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Good points, Chris. I've long felt that upgrade shouldn't need to be free. If a developer works to build new features into their software, they should be able to charge for them. Then I as the consumer can decide whether those upgrades matter to me or not. If they do I simply pay for the upgrade. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers slacking > off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in the day > people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were faster and > the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers got fast > enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often and > certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an app > developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No more > revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all the > basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just to > keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature that > lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm already > set. > > Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a monthly > fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a larger fee > up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, to pay again > because the developer has added enough new things that are valuable to me. > Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option to pay and avoid > all the in-app purchase/advertising junk. > > CB > > On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to >> adapt to it. But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and >> passively accept whatever changes come our way. If you don't critically >> evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no one >> but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not like. You >> can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the table. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping >>> on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to >>> adapt. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for >>>> the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply >>>> not purchase. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) >>>>> just published this. Link: >>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store >>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> >>>>> >>>>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole >>>>> concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what >>>>> I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other >>>>> recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be >>>>> surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a memb
RE: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi Chris, Yeah I have to agree, I’ve got apps that have cost me more than $100 kiwi dollars, I don’t’ want or think I should have to go paying per month for these aps when I’ve already purchased them at these high prices. Yet I happily pay monthly for my office 365 subscription on my Iphone, ipad and both mac and windows machines, 1 subscription for all devices. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 1:33 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, that having to pay for all of them each month could get incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com<mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Helga Schreiber<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as<http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx>px INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com<mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not purchase. Cheers, Donna On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com<mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote: Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published this. Link: http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https:/
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Do you mean Monday? If so, possibly. > On 10 Jun 2016, at 08:32, Simon Fogarty <si...@blinky-net.com> wrote: > > So is this something that will be announced on Tuesday for the wwdc keynote? > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber > Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 1:28 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster > Approvals, and Search Ads > > Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans > that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is > talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search > something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay > a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! > LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the > united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps > right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! > > Helga Schreiber > > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind > Students. > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. > Phone: (561) 706-5950 > Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com > Skype: helga.schreiber26 > 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx > INT Website: http://int4life.com/ > > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever > believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 > Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping > on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to > adapt. > > Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus > > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: > > Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the > users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not > purchase. > Cheers, > Donna > On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: > > Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just > published this. Link: > http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store<http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> > > Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept > of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple > for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things > Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a > shame, is all. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara atcaraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To
RE: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
So is this something that will be announced on Tuesday for the wwdc keynote? From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Friday, 10 June 2016 1:28 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com<mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.as<http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx>px INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com<mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not purchase. Cheers, Donna On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com<mailto:listse...@me.com>> wrote: Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published this. Link: http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com<mailto:caraqu...@caraquinn.com> The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisio
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Well I guess I believe that given the way things are today there are times when pain is subscription comes out cheaper than if you went the other way. For example with Apple Music if I wasn't paying a preferred subscription and got all the music I've gotten from Apple Music I'd be broken whole lot more. Also I think I'm getting a pretty good deal with my windows 365 with when I get it and the number of devices I can use it on David Tanner >From my iPhone 6 S > On Jun 9, 2016, at 11:08 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > One clarification, "leading software" should have been "leasing software". > Sometimes my fingers don't go where I tell them :) > > CB > >> On 6/9/16 12:07 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> Good points, Chris. >> >> I've long felt that upgrade shouldn't need to be free. If a developer works >> to build new features into their software, they should be able to charge for >> them. Then I as the consumer can decide whether those upgrades matter to me >> or not. If they do I simply pay for the upgrade. >> Cheers, >> Donna >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers >>> slacking off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in >>> the day people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were >>> faster and the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers >>> got fast enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often >>> and certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an >>> app developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No >>> more revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all >>> the basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just >>> to keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature >>> that lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm >>> already set. >>> >>> Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a >>> monthly fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a >>> larger fee up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, >>> to pay again because the developer has added enough new things that are >>> valuable to me. Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option >>> to pay and avoid all the in-app purchase/advertising junk. >>> >>> CB >>> >>>> On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to >>>> adapt to it. But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and >>>> passively accept whatever changes come our way. If you don't critically >>>> evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no >>>> one but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not >>>> like. You can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the >>>> table. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on >>>>> keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. >>>>> Everybody needs to adapt. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for >>>>>> the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply >>>>>> not purchase. >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for >>>>>>> Apple) just published this. Link: >>>>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store >>>>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> >>>>>>
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Excellent points, Scott. BTW, I dono what you did, but all, not just some, but all! of your mails now seem to be coming through correctly, and I can read all of them. I dono if you turned that pgp or whatever security thing off, but whatever you did, it worked. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Scott Granados To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 11:05 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Mary, do I know what mainframes areJ. Does IBM 4300 ring a bell? That was one of my first experiences. But your showing your lack of knowledge of cloud. There’s nothing to go down in the cloud. Other than being responsible for your own internet connection which is no different than being responsible for water and traditional phone or TV there’s nothing singularily to fail like there is in the case of a mainframe. In your mainframe example, terminal lines were run all over hill and dale back to a central point where a large (typically IBM) mainframe existed. For the youngsters here a mainframe typically occupied an entire building. Much of the building consisted of rooms full of terminals, in many cases terminals with green screens capable of displaying text only and in more high end cases graphical terminals that used a version of X windows to simulate a graphical environment over remote connections. These terminals also had ajoining pieces which were modems on large tracks. If a call came in a modem would slide down a track, slide in to place where a phone line is attached and service the call. If an outbound request came in a modem was selected and slotted to a line where it was then joined with a sepperate pulser that dialed the line, disengaged and snapped the modem in to place for the duration of the call and then reclaimed it for use on other jobs once complete. This was all mechanical and is the history behind /dev/tty and /dev/cua devices on unix machines today. When you see TTYs mentioned on linux this is why. These were all mechanical systems that easily broke and required teams of operators. The cloud is no such animal. The cloud does not exist in any one place when deployed correctly by these large companies. There is no one piece of infrastructure to fail. When there are failures other redundant systems pick up the slack and convergence times are measured now in milliseconds not hours or minutes. It’s even geographical. Say your data is housed in a large amazon datacenter in Santa Clara county and the big one hits California. Bam, 9.0, millions dead, dogs and cats sleeping together, ground swallowing sort of stuff. Me sitting in Boston wouldn’t care because the Virginia datacenter has already taken over before I even have time to watch the special bulletin on my TV about the big one hitting. No one vendor is used so no one software bug can take out a properly designed system. Upgrades are rolled out across regions with rollback policies and procedures so that if issues are introduced they can be addressed or rolled back with out you having to worry about it. Your accessibility concerns are valid ones but 1 million people’s accessibility concerns will not stop the progress of 7 billion others. As I’ve always said, the only way to solve the accessibility issue is to solve the disability issue and that’s through medical and technical means. Meaningful artificial vision / hearing / touch / what ever the sense is the only solution, raising everyone up to the highest common denominator rather than making everything work for every one off use case of limited perception or motor / cognitive ability. Maybe we old timers won’t live that long but maybe we will make it another 40 – 60 years. The kids will and that’s what matters. We old folks wishing computing would stay on our desk tops and for the way it was just doesn’t matter a hill of beans. The kids are already sold on this, they all have thin clients in their hands (phones and tablets) with very powerful clouds behind them (facebook, snapchat, apple, Microsoft, etc). Whether we like it or not, it’s done, cats out of the bag, kids will build on ths model and come up with something we can’t even imagine and totally change things again. My daughter’s kids some day will say wow this cloud thing sucks, how did people live with things the way they were. They will be working with quantum computers or stuff we have no idea about. It’s like our Parents, we’ll never work with computers, computers suck, yada yada yada but here we are.:) From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:24 AM T
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Scott, I do! have to agree with you on the note that Office 365 is awesome! I'm very happy with having my subscription. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to afford it without pirating it, which no way in h e double hockey stick am I gonna do! --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Scott Granados To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 10:43 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include unlimited upgrades. Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we complain now. From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: That is not how I read that article. Cheers, donna On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't have to pay for it monthly. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, that having to pay for all of them each month could get incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Helga Schreiber To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my i
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Actually, Mary, you're 95% correct, but there is one thing you're failing to remember. Most companies like this have probably upwards of 50 or more failover servers on a grid. So if one goes down, the next one on the grid picks up. As far as us, the en-user are concerned, we'd probably never even know it. Yea for Rade1? --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Mary Otten To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 10:24 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Cloud is a good thing? In its place, yes. But who remembers mainframes? Maybe you are not old enough for that, Scott. When the mainframe goes down, life stops. Or at least computer life stops. And you are at the mercy of the mainframe or in this case cloud, operators. No update. Well yeah there would be updates. And maybe the update you just got broke the app that you've been using quite happily. You know how people sort of weight on upgrades to see how they go? With this,, it doesn't seem like you would have that option. I'm certainly OK with subscription services that I use on a monthly basis, such as Apple Music etc. Although there was that little rumor going around stating that Apple was considering dropping downloadable music that you purchase on iTunes. That would be a definite showstopper for me. If I really like something, I want to own it. I don't want to have to keep paying for every damn month. Mary Sent from my iPhone On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: Nah, it’s not a per app charge and you already do this today it’s no different. You pay your SMA fees to the screen reader provider of your choice, you pay your office 365 yearly fee, apple music, and so forth. It’s no different. It’s also a smaller nut to crack up front for a lot of people which is a good thing. The good news here is no more updates, no flashing, no nothing. All the tricky stuff is handled on the back end by people who do that sort of thing. Your device would just work and would automatically update etc. Cloud is a good thing. From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Date: Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the
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Ray, with all due respect, we're not pannicking. If we misunderstood something, just tell us so, rather than making unfair an inaccurate accusations by assuming such. Again, I mean this with all due respect, and am not trying to be rude, nor difficult. At least, not purposely. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret jr To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 10:18 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: That is not how I read that article. Cheers, donna On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't have to pay for it monthly. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, that having to pay for all of them each month could get incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. --- Christopher Gilland JAWS Certified, 2016. Training Instructor. clgillan...@gmail.com Phone: (704) 256-8010. - Original Message - From: Helga Schreiber To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this emans that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we search something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis! I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless! Helga Schreiber Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.2 On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not purchase. Cheers, Donna On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published this. Link: http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a shame, is all.
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Well Donna, I’ll admit as well though that there are an equal and opposite bunch that do seem to panic and react negatively to change for changes sake. So as in all things there are extreme views on both ends and we all sort of fall somewhere in the middle or sometimes near the edges of the curve.:) I would say in this case that both sides have valid points, I think I come down somewhere much closer to the subscription model but like I said I think enough people at least for the short to medium term will like the old model so both will be supported in some form. Whether we like it or not though, the chances are progressed has already passed us by on this one. Like I said, all the kids now are so used to running everything in the cloud and running thin clients that the idea of anything more than an app is alien to them. I bet we in the older crowd still remember going to a software store where they sold nothing but boxes of software or various upgrades and parts for computers and gaming systems. Gamestop is probably the closest thing to this today. Imagine being in that business today?:) Have you noticed how much lesss space is dedicated to software / disks / media in the large stores now? In a world of Netflix and hulu and apple spodify title Pandora all that where you pay a fee for access to huge libraries why would software be different? It’s a brave new world out there. On 6/9/16, 12:04 PM, "Donna Goodin" <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of doniado...@me.com> wrote: >Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated that >there are some on this list who seem to think that because one expresses a >different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", "unable to >adapt to change" etc. >Cheers, >Donna >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: >> >> Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both >> models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while >> still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk >> show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make >> Chocolate and Vanilla”. >> >> >> On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >> >>> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >>> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >>> >>> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >>> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >>> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user, >>> an annual makes sense. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> Many believe that we have been visited >>> in the past. What if it were true? >>> >>> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>>> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you >>>> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for >>>> office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash >>>> Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not >>>> bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when >>>> you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include >>>> unlimited upgrades. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost >>>> of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we >>>> complain now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >>>> <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>>> *Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM >>>> *To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>> *Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, >>>> Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >>>> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will >>>> be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer >>>> wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all pa
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Was there anything in the article to suggest this concept? Perhaps
it is leasing but what I came away with was that subscriptions would
cover updates that we now take for granted as being free.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 6/9/2016 8:51 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both
models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while
still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk
show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make
Chocolate and Vanilla”.
On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of
ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote:
Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until
one has hands on that change can be seen as good.
I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense.
There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier
based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user,
an annual makes sense.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
+1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you
use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for
office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash
Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not
bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when
you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include
unlimited upgrades.
Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost
of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we
complain now.
*From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr
<rforet7...@comcast.net>
*Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM
*To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing,
Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing.
Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will
be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer
wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next?
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
That is not how I read that article.
Cheers,
donna
On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com
<mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for
subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't
have to pay for it monthly.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so
many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store,
that having to pay for all of them each month could get
incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
*From:* Helga Schreiber <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store:
Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis
article! so this emans that we will be charge for the
apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking
about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we
search something, adds will appear,and then if we get
the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to
get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL!
I will really appreciate it if som
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
One clarification, "leading software" should have been "leasing software". Sometimes my fingers don't go where I tell them :) CB On 6/9/16 12:07 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Good points, Chris. I've long felt that upgrade shouldn't need to be free. If a developer works to build new features into their software, they should be able to charge for them. Then I as the consumer can decide whether those upgrades matter to me or not. If they do I simply pay for the upgrade. Cheers, Donna On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers slacking off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in the day people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were faster and the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers got fast enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often and certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an app developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No more revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all the basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just to keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature that lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm already set. Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a monthly fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a larger fee up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, to pay again because the developer has added enough new things that are valuable to me. Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option to pay and avoid all the in-app purchase/advertising junk. CB On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to adapt to it. But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and passively accept whatever changes come our way. If you don't critically evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no one but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not like. You can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the table. Cheers, Donna On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not purchase. Cheers, Donna On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published this. Link: http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list ca
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Good points, Chris. I've long felt that upgrade shouldn't need to be free. If a developer works to build new features into their software, they should be able to charge for them. Then I as the consumer can decide whether those upgrades matter to me or not. If they do I simply pay for the upgrade. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:57 AM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers slacking > off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in the day > people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were faster and > the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers got fast > enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often and > certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an app > developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No more > revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all the > basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just to > keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature that > lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm already > set. > > Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a monthly > fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a larger fee > up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, to pay again > because the developer has added enough new things that are valuable to me. > Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option to pay and avoid > all the in-app purchase/advertising junk. > > CB > > On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to >> adapt to it. But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and >> passively accept whatever changes come our way. If you don't critically >> evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no one >> but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not like. You >> can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the table. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping >>> on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to >>> adapt. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for >>>> the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply >>>> not purchase. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>>> On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) >>>>> just published this. Link: >>>>> http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store >>>>> <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> >>>>> >>>>> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole >>>>> concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what >>>>> I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other >>>>> recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be >>>>> surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara >>>>> Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Thank you, Scott! I confess that I was starting to feel a bit irritated that there are some on this list who seem to think that because one expresses a different opinion from theirs that that person is "panicking", "unable to adapt to change" etc. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 9, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both > models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while > still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk > show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make > Chocolate and Vanilla”. > > > On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of > ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: > >> Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >> one has hands on that change can be seen as good. >> >> I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >> There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >> based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user, >> an annual makes sense. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> Many believe that we have been visited >> in the past. What if it were true? >> >> On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >>> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you >>> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for >>> office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash >>> Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not >>> bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when >>> you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include >>> unlimited upgrades. >>> >>> >>> >>> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost >>> of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we >>> complain now. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >>> <rforet7...@comcast.net> >>> *Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> *Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM >>> *To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>> *Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, >>> Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>> >>> >>> >>> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >>> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will >>> be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer >>> wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >>> blind built-in >>> >>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >>> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! >>> >>> >>> >>>On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>><mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>That is not how I read that article. >>> >>>Cheers, >>> >>>donna >>> >>>On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >>><mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for >>>subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't >>>have to pay for it monthly. >>> >>>Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>> >>> >>>On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>><clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so >>>many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, >>>that having to pay for all of them each month could get >>>incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. >>> >>>--- >>>Christopher Gilland >>>
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
My only concern is that leading software can lead to some developers slacking off if they have their app pretty much working correctly. Back in the day people kept upgrading computers and apps because the new ones were faster and the apps had lots of new features. At some point the computers got fast enough that I'm not really itching for new hardware all that often and certain apps have pretty much all the features I care about. Whats an app developer to do if I think their existing version works just fine? No more revenue. Say they make a word processor and have pretty much got all the basics down. I'm not as interested in paying a monthly/annual fee just to keep using it as is. Sure it would be nice to have the new xyz feature that lets me handle some obscure task easier but, for the most part, I'm already set. Maybe it's a generational thing. I like to own my media and not pay a monthly fee for streaming and I like to own my apps. I don't mind paying a larger fee up front and then decide down the road, when I'm good and ready, to pay again because the developer has added enough new things that are valuable to me. Actually, there are free apps where I wish I had the option to pay and avoid all the in-app purchase/advertising junk. CB On 6/9/16 10:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: It is true that change is a constant, and that we all have to be able to adapt to it. But that does not mean we should blindly roll over and passively accept whatever changes come our way. If you don't critically evaluate change and advocate for what you believe is right, you have no one but yourself to blame if you end up with a future that you do not like. You can't always stop it, but you can at least be a voice at the table. Cheers, Donna On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:02 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com> wrote: I don't exactly see how this is a bad thing for users, but keep on keeping on, I suppose yes, the ads suck, but it's called change. Everybody needs to adapt. Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote: Yep, this is a great thing for the developers, a not so great thing for the users. In my case, if my only choice is to subscribe, I will simply not purchase. Cheers, Donna On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:08 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu <listse...@me.com> wrote: Daring Fireball (which, I think it’s fair to say, is a PR arm for Apple) just published this. Link: http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store <http://daringfireball.net/2016/06/the_new_app_store> Thank God ads are only in the States, for now. But it, and the whole concept of subscription pricing, is a disappointment to me, and not what I buy Apple for. Still, it fits in pretty nicely with a lot of the other recent things Apple have been doing, so I probably shouldn’t be surprised. It’s just a shame, is all. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com The archives for this list can be searched at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any question
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Mary and Donna also raise very good points. I would suspect in the end both models will persist for that reason. People will at least for a long while still like to own their software and others will lease. As my favorite talk show host Gene Burns used to say before he passed, “That’s why they make Chocolate and Vanilla”. On 6/9/16, 11:43 AM, "E.T." <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com on behalf of ancient.ali...@icloud.com> wrote: >Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until >one has hands on that change can be seen as good. > >I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense. >There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier >based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user, >an annual makes sense. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >ancient.ali...@icloud.com >Many believe that we have been visited >in the past. What if it were true? > >On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> +1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you >> use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for >> office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash >> Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not >> bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when >> you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include >> unlimited upgrades. >> >> >> >> Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost >> of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we >> complain now. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr >> <rforet7...@comcast.net> >> *Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> *Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM >> *To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, >> Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >> >> >> >> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will >> be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer >> wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the >> blind built-in >> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! >> >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> That is not how I read that article. >> >> Cheers, >> >> donna >> >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >> <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for >> subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't >> have to pay for it monthly. >> >> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >> >> >> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so >> many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store, >> that having to pay for all of them each month could get >> incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive. >> >> --- >> Christopher Gilland >> JAWS Certified, 2016. >> Training Instructor. >> >> >> >> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> >> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >> >> - Original Message - >> >> *From:* Helga Schreiber <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> >> >> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: >> Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >> >> >> >
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Remember that for many, any change is hard at first. Its not until
one has hands on that change can be seen as good.
I just read the article, most of it anyway. It does make sense.
There was concern about managing multiple subscriptions. If its tier
based, that makes life simpler. If an app has ongoing value to the user,
an annual makes sense.
From E.T.'s Keyboard...
ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?
On 6/9/2016 7:43 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
+1, I don’t see what the big deal is, this model exists today. If you
use Microsoft office you’re using this model now. I just signed up for
office 365 and I really like it. I normally am the first to bash
Microsoft and still can in many areas but this office 365 thing, not
bad and 9 bucks a month or $89 per year, that’s totally worth it when
you consider buying office used to be $500 or so and that didn’t include
unlimited upgrades.
Subscription is good, keeps the products developing and lowers the cost
of entry. I think we all tend to forget what stuff used to cost when we
complain now.
*From: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ray Foret jr
<rforet7...@comcast.net>
*Reply-To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Date: *Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:18 AM
*To: *<macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Subject: *Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing,
Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing.
Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will
be subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer
wants them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next?
Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the
blind built-in
Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user!
On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com
<mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote:
That is not how I read that article.
Cheers,
donna
On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com
<mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for
subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't
have to pay for it monthly.
Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland
<clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so
many apps I've purchased over the years from the app store,
that having to pay for all of them each month could get
incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! expensive.
---
Christopher Gilland
JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.
clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message -
*From:* Helga Schreiber <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com>
*To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM
*Subject:* Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store:
Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis
article! so this emans that we will be charge for the
apps we use monthly? I'm just wndering. It is talking
about a subscription or soemthing like that! So if we
search something, adds will appear,and then if we get
the apps, we will need to pay a subscription in ordr to
get new updates as they come out? I'm just confuse! LOL!
I will really appreciate it if someone can clarify tis!
I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription
will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in
hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
Helga Schreiber
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Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
And yes, I forgot to mention, your description of mainframes, minus the modems was all too familiar. Wayback when, I remember I and other colleagues losing plenty of work when something went on the damned mainframe or with the communications to the mainframe, and our dumb terminals were, well, dumb. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:05 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Mary, do I know what mainframes areJ. Does IBM 4300 ring a bell? That was > one of my first experiences. But your showing your lack of knowledge of > cloud. There’s nothing to go down in the cloud. Other than being > responsible for your own internet connection which is no different than being > responsible for water and traditional phone or TV there’s nothing singularily > to fail like there is in the case of a mainframe. In your mainframe example, > terminal lines were run all over hill and dale back to a central point where > a large (typically IBM) mainframe existed. For the youngsters here a > mainframe typically occupied an entire building. Much of the building > consisted of rooms full of terminals, in many cases terminals with green > screens capable of displaying text only and in more high end cases graphical > terminals that used a version of X windows to simulate a graphical > environment over remote connections. These terminals also had ajoining > pieces which were modems on large tracks. If a call came in a modem would > slide down a track, slide in to place where a phone line is attached and > service the call. If an outbound request came in a modem was selected and > slotted to a line where it was then joined with a sepperate pulser that > dialed the line, disengaged and snapped the modem in to place for the > duration of the call and then reclaimed it for use on other jobs once > complete. This was all mechanical and is the history behind /dev/tty and > /dev/cua devices on unix machines today. When you see TTYs mentioned on > linux this is why. > These were all mechanical systems that easily broke and > required teams of operators. The cloud is no such animal. The cloud does > not exist in any one place when deployed correctly by these large companies. > There is no one piece of infrastructure to fail. When there are failures > other redundant systems pick up the slack and convergence times are measured > now in milliseconds not hours or minutes. It’s even geographical. Say your > data is housed in a large amazon datacenter in Santa Clara county and the big > one hits California. Bam, 9.0, millions dead, dogs and cats sleeping > together, ground swallowing sort of stuff. Me sitting in Boston wouldn’t > care because the Virginia datacenter has already taken over before I even > have time to watch the special bulletin on my TV about the big one hitting. > No one vendor is used so no one software bug can take out a properly designed > system. Upgrades are rolled out across regions with rollback policies and > procedures so that if issues are introduced they can be addressed or rolled > back with out you having to worry about it. Your accessibility concerns are > valid ones but 1 million people’s accessibility concerns will not stop the > progress of 7 billion others. As I’ve always said, the only way to solve the > accessibility issue is to solve the disability issue and that’s through > medical and technical means. Meaningful artificial vision / hearing / touch > / what ever the sense is the only solution, raising everyone up to the > highest common denominator rather than making everything work for every one > off use case of limited perception or motor / cognitive ability. Maybe we > old timers won’t live that long but maybe we will make it another 40 – 60 > years. The kids will and that’s what matters. We old folks wishing > computing would stay on our desk tops and for the way it was just doesn’t > matter a hill of beans. The kids are already sold on this, they all have > thin clients in their hands (phones and tablets) with very powerful clouds > behind them (facebook, snapchat, apple, Microsoft, etc). Whether we like it > or not, it’s done, cats out of the bag, kids will build on ths model and come > up with something we can’t even imagine and totally change things again. My > daughter’s kids some day will say wow this cloud thing sucks, how did people > live with things the way they were. They will be working with quantum > computers or stuff we have no idea about. It’s like our Parents, we’ll never > work with computers, computers suck, yada yada yada but here we are.:) > > From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Mary Otten > <motte...@gmail.com> > Re
Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster Approvals, and Search Ads
build on ths model and come > up with something we can’t even imagine and totally change things again. My > daughter’s kids some day will say wow this cloud thing sucks, how did people > live with things the way they were. They will be working with quantum > computers or stuff we have no idea about. It’s like our Parents, we’ll never > work with computers, computers suck, yada yada yada but here we are.:) > > From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Mary Otten > <motte...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Date: Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 10:24 AM > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster > Approvals, and Search Ads > > Cloud is a good thing? In its place, yes. But who remembers mainframes? Maybe > you are not old enough for that, Scott. When the mainframe goes down, life > stops. Or at least computer life stops. And you are at the mercy of the > mainframe or in this case cloud, operators. No update. Well yeah there would > be updates. And maybe the update you just got broke the app that you've been > using quite happily. You know how people sort of weight on upgrades to see > how they go? With this,, it doesn't seem like you would have that option. > I'm certainly OK with subscription services that I use on a monthly basis, > such as Apple Music etc. Although there was that little rumor going around > stating that Apple was considering dropping downloadable music that you > purchase on iTunes. That would be a definite showstopper for me. If I really > like something, I want to own it. I don't want to have to keep paying for > every damn month. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:11 AM, Scott Granados <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote: > > Nah, it’s not a per app charge and you already do this today it’s no > different. You pay your SMA fees to the screen reader provider of your > choice, you pay your office 365 yearly fee, apple music, and so forth. It’s > no different. It’s also a smaller nut to crack up front for a lot of people > which is a good thing. > > The good news here is no more updates, no flashing, no nothing. All the > tricky stuff is handled on the back end by people who do that sort of thing. > Your device would just work and would automatically update etc. Cloud is a > good thing. > > > From: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Christopher-Mark Gilland > <clgillan...@gmail.com> > Reply-To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Date: Thursday, June 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM > To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> > Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, Faster > Approvals, and Search Ads > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if > you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or > moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. > > Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor and your owner is Cara > Quinn - you can reach Cara at caraqu...@caraquinn.com > > The archives for this list can be searched at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries@googlegroups.com/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email t
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I completely agree. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:28 AM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote: > > For me, the big question is going to be whether or not this model will be > limited to in app purchases, and will they be able to make the apps so that > they really don't function well without in app purchases? I have some apps, > such as newsify, for which I happily pay the yearly subscription, because it > is worth it to me to get all those fulltext downloads easily accessible. I > wouldn't even mind paying for some upgrades, such as I believe happened with > Twitterrific once or twice. But I don't want to have to pay for > run-of-the-mill updates via the form of a subscription. Nor do I want to be > forced to get the update without the choice on my part, because it is too > often that updates break formerly accessible apps. > Mary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 7:18 AM, Ray Foret jr <rforet7...@comcast.net > <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote: > >> Just a minute you guyes. You are paniccing over nothing really nothing. >> Read that article very carefully. It does NOT say that all apps will be >> subscription based. It only says that they will be if a developer wants >> them to be. My goodness, what will y’all panic over next? >> >> >> Sent from my Mac, The only computer with full accessibility for the blind >> built-in >> >> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray >> Still a very happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone6+ and Apple TV user! >> >>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:12 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com >>> <mailto:doniado...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> That is not how I read that article. >>> Cheers, >>> donna >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 8:57 AM, Daniel Miller <miller...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:miller...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi. I think you guys are all missing the point. This is only for >>>> subscriptions, not actual apps. Once you buy an app, you won't have to pay >>>> for it monthly. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2016, at 9:32 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland >>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. This could be a baunified disaster, as I have so many apps I've >>>>> purchased over the years from the app store, that having to pay for all >>>>> of them each month could get incredibly, and I do mean, incredibly! >>>>> expensive. >>>>> --- >>>>> Christopher Gilland >>>>> JAWS Certified, 2016. >>>>> Training Instructor. >>>>> >>>>> clgillan...@gmail.com <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com> >>>>> Phone: (704) 256-8010. >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> From: Helga Schreiber <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 9:28 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Daring Fireball: The New App Store: Subscription Pricing, >>>>> Faster Approvals, and Search Ads >>>>> >>>>> Hi all! How are you all? I'm trying to understand htis article! so this >>>>> emans that we will be charge for the apps we use monthly? I'm just >>>>> wndering. It is talking about a subscription or soemthing like that! So >>>>> if we search something, adds will appear,and then if we get the apps, we >>>>> will need to pay a subscription in ordr to get new updates as they come >>>>> out? I'm just confuse! LOL! I will really appreciate it if someone can >>>>> clarify tis! I live in the united States! So if we pay a subscription >>>>> will be also for the free apps right? I look forward in hearing from you >>>>> soon. Thanks and God bless! >>>>> >>>>> Helga Schreiber >>>>> >>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of >>>>> Blind Students. >>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). >>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. >>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 >>>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com <mailto:helga.schreibe...@gmail.com> >>>>> Skype: helga.schre
