Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Thanks much Jonathan, When I first had the mac configured I insured that both voiceover, and voice control were active, I have not tried it as of yet. To be honest, I would hope to blend the use, hopefully I can type my own messages, but would say send or open things as it were. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Care, I turn on voice command on my computer, and said "switch to mail". I then told it two "click reply" That opened this message. The dictation with Voice Command was not that great though. And I am typing that with voice command. I did do some editing, and now I will say "click "click send", if it does not work I will tell you. TopBut essentially the Voice Command Switch to ApplicationName is used to open an application. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Jun 28, 2022, at 21:19, Karen Lewellen wrote: what I mean by a more fluid display layout is one that would have resulted in what Herbie indicated being the case. a text field where a program name can be typed. knowing about vo-z will be helpful, assuming the keystroke is not too challenging finger wise. I have small hands, and this is really a dance sometimes. Intend using voiceover with voice control before resulting to a full sized keyboard if at all possible. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, I am not sure what you mean by a fluid layout, there might be a way to adjust VoiceOver to work this way if I am understanding what you want. Are you looking to avoid the interact/stop interact functions? To repeat what VoiceOver just said, press VO-z. (if you make the Z uppercase, it saves an MP3 of what was spoken) instead of speaking it again. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Jun 28, 2022, at 16:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It???s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you???re good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s ][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] [--args arguments] Help: Open opens files from a shell. By default, opens each file using the default application for that file. If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. Options: -aOpens with the specified application. -bOpens with the specified application bundle identifier. -eOpens with TextEdit. -tOpens with default text editor. -fReads input from standard input and opens with TextEdit. -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is lost, excluding Untitled documents. -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder instead of
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Care, I turn on voice command on my computer, and said "switch to mail". I then told it two "click reply" That opened this message. The dictation with Voice Command was not that great though. And I am typing that with voice command. I did do some editing, and now I will say "click "click send", if it does not work I will tell you. TopBut essentially the Voice Command Switch to ApplicationName is used to open an application. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Jun 28, 2022, at 21:19, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > what I mean by a more fluid display layout is one that would have resulted in > what Herbie indicated being the case. a text field where a program name can > be typed. > knowing about vo-z will be helpful, assuming the keystroke is not too > challenging finger wise. I have small hands, and this is really a dance > sometimes. > Intend using voiceover with voice control before resulting to a full sized > keyboard if at all possible. > > > > On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am not sure what you mean by a fluid layout, there might be a way to >> adjust VoiceOver to work this way if I am understanding what you want. Are >> you looking to avoid the interact/stop interact functions? >> To repeat what VoiceOver just said, press VO-z. (if you make the Z >> uppercase, it saves an MP3 of what was spoken) instead of speaking it again. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Jonathan Cohn >> >> >> >>> On Jun 28, 2022, at 16:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>> Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. >>> going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put >>> you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly >>> understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. >>> Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not >>> cause a problem. >>> and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, >>> Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch >>> text edit I would end up on a text field. >>> I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite >>> frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and >>> there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re good to go.D > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > >> VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in >> the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will >> bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. >> >>> On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen >>> wrote: >>> >>> I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% >>> no idea how to even get there. >>> Are applications normally in the docs? >>> Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d >>> just takes you to the desktop. >>> Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not >>> seem to be terminal associated. >>> Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. >>> >>> All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, >>> using my non Linux screen reader. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>> Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s >>> name>][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] [--args arguments] Help: Open opens files from a shell. By default, opens each file using the default application for that file. If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. Options: -aOpens with the specified application. -bOpens with the specified application bundle identifier. -eOpens with TextEdit. -tOpens with
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
what I mean by a more fluid display layout is one that would have resulted in what Herbie indicated being the case. a text field where a program name can be typed. knowing about vo-z will be helpful, assuming the keystroke is not too challenging finger wise. I have small hands, and this is really a dance sometimes. Intend using voiceover with voice control before resulting to a full sized keyboard if at all possible. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, I am not sure what you mean by a fluid layout, there might be a way to adjust VoiceOver to work this way if I am understanding what you want. Are you looking to avoid the interact/stop interact functions? To repeat what VoiceOver just said, press VO-z. (if you make the Z uppercase, it saves an MP3 of what was spoken) instead of speaking it again. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Jun 28, 2022, at 16:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It???s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you???re good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s ][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] [--args arguments] Help: Open opens files from a shell. By default, opens each file using the default application for that file. If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. Options: -aOpens with the specified application. -bOpens with the specified application bundle identifier. -eOpens with TextEdit. -tOpens with default text editor. -fReads input from standard input and opens with TextEdit. -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is lost, excluding Untitled documents. -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder instead of opening. -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used applications are closed (even if they were already running). --argsAll remaining arguments are passed in argv to the application's main() function instead of opened. -n, --new Open a new instance of the application even if one is already running. -j, --hideLaunches the app hidden. -g, --background Does not bring the application to the foreground. -h, --header Searches header file locations for headers matching the given filenames, and opens them. -sFor -h, the SDK to use; if supplied, only SDKs whose names contain the argument value are searched. Otherwise the highest versioned SDK in each platform is used. -u, --url URL Open this URL, even if it matches exactly a filepath
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
For the stores that provide lessons that is the case...and according to main Apple support, there are rather a few. to be sure the Pandemic is impacting locations providing the service, but I had more than one choice here. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Les Kriegler wrote: Well, you are very fortunate then. Because I don???t think that is typical. But I am glad to know that you were able to find a quiet environment in which to work. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: ???The voices are retrieved from VoiceOver Utility. I don't believe you need VoiceOver running to do this. Here are the seps that a sighted person would do as best as I can tell. Open the finder 2. In a finder window use the Go menu to switch to utilities 3. Open the program 4. Click on speech in the category area 5. Make sure Voices is selected. 6. The first line here is your default voice with an edit button at the end of the line. 7. If you click the the edit button at the end of the line you can not only select the voice, but also adjust Tone, Intonation, Volume and speed. 8 Find the combo box for the voices and the last item in it is ""Customize???" 9. This will bring up a table of checkboxes and voice names (over 200 of them ) 10. Check / uncheck boxes for voices you are interested in and then close the dialog. The downloads of voices does not start until this dialog box is closed. You can re-open the dialog to check the progress of downloads of voices. The Mac will substitute what it thinks is a similar voice if the download for your voice has not completed. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Jun 28, 2022, at 17:26, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It???s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you???re > good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to > > > open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Thanks Jonathan, My mac partner is enjoying the voiceover adventure, might want to do it with the tool, just wanted to give him choices. Interestingly enough when I went through the voices part of the voiceover tutorial, there are not 200 from which to choose. Is there a list anywhere? Outside of the table I mean? Are there voices not provided in the main utilities section that can be added here? I recall some of those options are novelty things like bells, and so forth. If I can add a wider selection all at once, that would be terrific. Thanks again, Kare On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: The voices are retrieved from VoiceOver Utility. I don't believe you need VoiceOver running to do this. Here are the seps that a sighted person would do as best as I can tell. Open the finder 2. In a finder window use the Go menu to switch to utilities 3. Open the program 4. Click on speech in the category area 5. Make sure Voices is selected. 6. The first line here is your default voice with an edit button at the end of the line. 7. If you click the the edit button at the end of the line you can not only select the voice, but also adjust Tone, Intonation, Volume and speed. 8 Find the combo box for the voices and the last item in it is ""Customize???" 9. This will bring up a table of checkboxes and voice names (over 200 of them ) 10. Check / uncheck boxes for voices you are interested in and then close the dialog. The downloads of voices does not start until this dialog box is closed. You can re-open the dialog to check the progress of downloads of voices. The Mac will substitute what it thinks is a similar voice if the download for your voice has not completed. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn On Jun 28, 2022, at 17:26, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It???s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you???re > good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to > > > open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application. Alternatively, you could use
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Hello, I am not sure what you mean by a fluid layout, there might be a way to adjust VoiceOver to work this way if I am understanding what you want. Are you looking to avoid the interact/stop interact functions? To repeat what VoiceOver just said, press VO-z. (if you make the Z uppercase, it saves an MP3 of what was spoken) instead of speaking it again. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Jun 28, 2022, at 16:49, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. > going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put > you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly > understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. > Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not > cause a problem. > and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, > Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text > edit I would end up on a text field. > I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite > frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there > is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > >> It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re good to >> go.D >> >>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> >>> and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > wrote: > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% no > idea how to even get there. > Are applications normally in the docs? > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d just > takes you to the desktop. > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not seem > to be terminal associated. > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, > using my non Linux screen reader. > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > >> Hello, >> If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first >> few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the >> application. >> Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. >> open -a textedit >> will open and activate the textedit application >> open myDocument.txt >> will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file >> open -a textedit myDocument.txt >> will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application >> >> Here is some more info: >> joncohn@speedy ~ % >> open: unrecognized option `--help' >> Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s > name>][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] >> [--args arguments] >> Help: Open opens files from a shell. >> By default, opens each file using the default application for that >> file. >> If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. >> Options: >> -aOpens with the specified application. >> -bOpens with the specified application bundle >> identifier. >> -eOpens with TextEdit. >> -tOpens with default text editor. >> -fReads input from standard input and opens with >> TextEdit. >> -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, that is, without >> restoring windows. Saved persistent state is lost, excluding Untitled >> documents. >> -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder instead of opening. >> -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used applications are closed >> (even if they were already running). >> --argsAll remaining arguments are passed in argv to >> the application's main() function instead of opened. >> -n, --new Open a new instance of the application even if >> one is already running. >> -j, --hideLaunches the app hidden. >> -g, --background Does not bring the application to the foreground. >> -h, --header Searches header file locations for headers >> matching the given filenames, and opens them. >> -sFor -h, the SDK to use; if supplied, only SDKs >> whose names contain the argument value are searched. >> Otherwise the highest versioned SDK in each >> platform is used. >>
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Well, you are very fortunate then. Because I don’t think that is typical. But I am glad to know that you were able to find a quiet environment in which to work. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:41 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > The voices are retrieved from VoiceOver Utility. I don't believe you need > VoiceOver running to do this. > Here are the seps that a sighted person would do as best as I can tell. > > Open the finder > 2. In a finder window use the Go menu to switch to utilities > 3. Open the program > 4. Click on speech in the category area > 5. Make sure Voices is selected. > 6. The first line here is your default voice with an edit button at the end > of the line. > 7. If you click the the edit button at the end of the line you can not only > select the voice, but also adjust Tone, Intonation, Volume and speed. > 8 Find the combo box for the voices and the last item in it is ""Customize…" > 9. This will bring up a table of checkboxes and voice names (over 200 of them > ) > 10. Check / uncheck boxes for voices you are interested in and then close the > dialog. > The downloads of voices does not start until this dialog box is closed. > You can re-open the dialog to check the progress of downloads of voices. > The Mac will substitute what it thinks is a similar voice if the download for > your voice has not completed. > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > > >> On Jun 28, 2022, at 17:26, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> >> That is what an apple store is for. >> My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. >> The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater >> keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn >> voiceover itself. >> Oh yet another question on that front. >> does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? >> Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be >> a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. >> >> >> >>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: >>> >>> Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering >>> Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover >>> commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. >>> >>> Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with >>> you. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible >>> will make violent revolution inevitable." >>> --John F. Kennedy >>> My e-Mail: >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > > good to go.D > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > > > > wrote: > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default > > > > > apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a > > > > > Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You > > > > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover > > > > > > > > is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, > > > > > > > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen > > > > > > > > reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Karen, you will travel your own path of discovery. Each of us have our own unique challenge but for the most part, we can seek solutions here because most of us are grounded in daily use of Voiceover. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 3:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: You mean like the voiceover users at apple accessibility? who 1, gave me wrong information corrected on this list more than once. 2. began to claim I needed to upgrade in the middle of a crisis? To be honest, my experiences have been more positive with general apple staff than the, by your definition, daily vo users. Speaking personally, those tend to understand a product based on their needs, not generally. besides I wish to support apple's in person inclusion. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: > Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on > mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on > the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. > > Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work > with you. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > will make violent revolution inevitable." > --John F. Kennedy > My e-Mail: > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. > > going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It > > does > > put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a > > solidly > > understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. > > Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does > > not > > cause a problem. > > and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, > > Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to > > launch > > text edit I would end up on a text field. > > I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its > > quite > > frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, > > and > > there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and > > > you’re good to go.D > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: > > > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of > > default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and > > do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if > > voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested > > that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, > > which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D > > then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by > > return will > > > > > launch the application. > > > > > > >
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
The voices are retrieved from VoiceOver Utility. I don't believe you need VoiceOver running to do this. Here are the seps that a sighted person would do as best as I can tell. Open the finder 2. In a finder window use the Go menu to switch to utilities 3. Open the program 4. Click on speech in the category area 5. Make sure Voices is selected. 6. The first line here is your default voice with an edit button at the end of the line. 7. If you click the the edit button at the end of the line you can not only select the voice, but also adjust Tone, Intonation, Volume and speed. 8 Find the combo box for the voices and the last item in it is ""Customize…" 9. This will bring up a table of checkboxes and voice names (over 200 of them ) 10. Check / uncheck boxes for voices you are interested in and then close the dialog. The downloads of voices does not start until this dialog box is closed. You can re-open the dialog to check the progress of downloads of voices. The Mac will substitute what it thinks is a similar voice if the download for your voice has not completed. Best wishes, Jonathan Cohn > On Jun 28, 2022, at 17:26, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > That is what an apple store is for. > My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. > The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater > keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn > voiceover itself. > Oh yet another question on that front. > does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? > Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be > a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. > > > > On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: > >> Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering >> Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover >> commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. >> >> Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with >> you. >> >> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible >> will make violent revolution inevitable." >> --John F. Kennedy >> My e-Mail: >> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >> >> On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>> Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. >>> going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does >>> put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly >>> understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. >>> Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not >>> cause a problem. >>> and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, >>> Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch >>> text edit I would end up on a text field. >>> I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite >>> frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and >>> there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > >>> > good to go.D >>> > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen >>> > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? >>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>> > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default >>> > > > > > apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a >>> > > > > > Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You >>> > > > > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. >>> > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > >>> > > > > > > > wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover >>> > > > > > > > > is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. >>> > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? >>> > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > >>> > > > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. >>> > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > >>> > > > > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. >>> > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. >>> > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>> > > > > > > > > > Hello, >>> > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the >>> > > > > > > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by >>> > > > > > return will > > > > > launch the application. >>> > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. >>> > > > > > open -a textedit >>> > >
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Actually, speaking only for myself, this is not correct. The apple location where I intend visiting is the same one where I would previously go and seek a safe for my use IOS voice. They have a small room where they provide classes, are allowing me to speak with the technician in advance, as well as exchange details on my goals. I just want to meet them half way with some basics. Sure we have dreadful stores in Toronto, assuming apple did not do the smart thing and close the fairview location. But, again for me personally, this store is already being quite terrific. Karen On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, Les Kriegler wrote: In addition, unless things have changed, I think you would be very disappointed if you go to an Apple Store for training. It is a very noisy environment and even if you can find someone know something about voiceover, I don’t think you’re going to get the results you desire by going there. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:13 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries wrote: An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to > > > open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > > > > > file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t]
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
You mean like the voiceover users at apple accessibility? who 1, gave me wrong information corrected on this list more than once. 2. began to claim I needed to upgrade in the middle of a crisis? To be honest, my experiences have been more positive with general apple staff than the, by your definition, daily vo users. Speaking personally, those tend to understand a product based on their needs, not generally. besides I wish to support apple's in person inclusion. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: > Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on > mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on > the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. > > Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work > with you. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > will make violent revolution inevitable." > --John F. Kennedy > My e-Mail: > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > > On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: > > Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. > > going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It > > does > > put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a > > solidly > > understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. > > Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does > > not > > cause a problem. > > and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, > > Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to > > launch > > text edit I would end up on a text field. > > I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its > > quite > > frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, > > and > > there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and > > > you’re good to go.D > > > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: > > > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of > > default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and > > do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if > > voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested > > that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, > > which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D > > then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by > > return will > > > > > launch the application. > > > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. > > > > > > > open -a textedit > > > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application > > > > > > > open myDocument.txt > > > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application for > > that > > > > > file > > > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt > > > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application > > > > > >
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
In addition, unless things have changed, I think you would be very disappointed if you go to an Apple Store for training. It is a very noisy environment and even if you can find someone know something about voiceover, I don’t think you’re going to get the results you desire by going there. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:13 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a > Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. > > If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > will make violent revolution inevitable." > --John F. Kennedy > My e-Mail: > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > >> On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> That is what an apple store is for. >> My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. >> The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater >> keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn >> voiceover itself. >> Oh yet another question on that front. >> does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? >> Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be >> a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. >>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: >>> Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering >>> Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover >>> commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. >>> >>> Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with >>> you. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible >>> will make violent revolution inevitable." >>> --John F. Kennedy >>> My e-Mail: >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>> On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > > good to go.D > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > > > > wrote: > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default > > > > > apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a > > > > > Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You > > > > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover > > > > > > > > is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, > > > > > > > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen > > > > > > > > reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by > > > > > return will > > > > > launch the application. > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. > > > > > open -a textedit > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application > > > > > open myDocument.txt > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > > > > > > > > > > file > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt > > > > > will open
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > good to go.D > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application. > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. > > > > > open -a textedit > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application > > > > > open myDocument.txt > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > > > > > file > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application > > > > > > > > > > Here is some more info: > > > > > joncohn@speedy ~ % > > > > > open: unrecognized option `--help' > > > > > Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s > > > > SDK name>][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] > > > > > [filenames] [--args arguments] > > > > > Help: Open opens files from a shell. > > > > > By default, opens each file using the default application > > > > > for that file. > > > > > If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be > > > > > opened as a URL. > > > > > Options: > > > > > -a Opens with the > > > > > specified application. > > > > > -b Opens with the > > > > > specified application bundle identifier. > > > > > -e Opens with > > > > > TextEdit. > > > > > -t Opens with default > > > >
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
That is what an apple store is for. My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn voiceover itself. Oh yet another question on that front. does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > good to go.D > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen > > wrote: > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to > > > open apps. > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by return will > > > > > launch the application. > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. > > > > > open -a textedit > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application > > > > > open myDocument.txt > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > > > > > file > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application > > > > > > > > > > Here is some more info: > > > > > joncohn@speedy ~ % > > > > > open: unrecognized option `--help' > > > > > Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s > > > > > SDK name>][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] > > > > > [filenames] [--args arguments] > > > > > Help: Open opens files from a shell. > > > > > By default, opens each file using the default application > > > > > for that file. > > > > > If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be > > > > > opened as a URL. > > > > > Options: > > > > > -a Opens with the > > > > > specified application. > > > > > -b Opens with the > > > > > specified application bundle identifier. > > > > > -e Opens with > > > > > TextEdit. > > > > > -t Opens with default > > > > > text editor. > > > > > -f Reads input from > > > > > standard input and opens with TextEdit. > > > > > -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, > > > > > that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is > > > > > lost, excluding Untitled documents. > > > > > -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder > > > > > instead of
Re: the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with you. From E.T.'s Keyboard... "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --John F. Kennedy My e-Mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s SDK name>][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] [--args arguments] Help: Open opens files from a shell. By default, opens each file using the default application for that file. If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. Options: -a Opens with the specified application. -b Opens with the specified application bundle identifier. -e Opens with TextEdit. -t Opens with default text editor. -f Reads input from standard input and opens with TextEdit. -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is lost, excluding Untitled documents. -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder instead of opening. -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used applications are closed (even if they were already running). --args All remaining arguments are passed in argv to the application's main() function instead of opened. -n, --new Open a new instance of the application even if one is already running. -j, --hide Launches the app hidden. -g, --background Does not bring the application to the foreground. -h, --header Searches header file locations for headers matching the given filenames, and opens them. -s For -h, the SDK to use; if supplied, only SDKs whose names contain the argument value are searched. Otherwise the highest versioned SDK in each platform is used. -u, --url URL Open this URL, even if it matches exactly a filepath -i, --stdin PATH Launches the application with stdin connected to PATH; defaults to /dev/null -o, --stdout PATH Launches the application with /dev/stdout connected to PATH; --stderr PATH Launches the application with /dev/stderr connected to PATH to --env VAR Add an enviroment variable to the launched process, where VAR is formatted
the dock, is likely a silly question about the mac desktop.
Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not cause a problem. and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch text edit I would end up on a text field. I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re good to go.D On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen wrote: and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default apps are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a Command shift A. This will bring up the apps folder. You can also use Siri to open apps. On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen wrote: I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover is not 100% no idea how to even get there. Are applications normally in the docs? Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that vo-d just takes you to the desktop. Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do not seem to be terminal associated. Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, called shellworld, using my non Linux screen reader. On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello, If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the first few letters of the applications followed by return will launch the application. Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. open -a textedit will open and activate the textedit application open myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that file open -a textedit myDocument.txt will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application Here is some more info: joncohn@speedy ~ % open: unrecognized option `--help' Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s ][-b ] [-a ] [-u URL] [filenames] [--args arguments] Help: Open opens files from a shell. By default, opens each file using the default application for that file. If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be opened as a URL. Options: -aOpens with the specified application. -bOpens with the specified application bundle identifier. -eOpens with TextEdit. -tOpens with default text editor. -fReads input from standard input and opens with TextEdit. -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is lost, excluding Untitled documents. -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder instead of opening. -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used applications are closed (even if they were already running). --argsAll remaining arguments are passed in argv to the application's main() function instead of opened. -n, --new Open a new instance of the application even if one is already running. -j, --hideLaunches the app hidden. -g, --background Does not bring the application to the foreground. -h, --header Searches header file locations for headers matching the given filenames, and opens them. -sFor -h, the SDK to use; if supplied, only SDKs whose names contain the argument value are searched. Otherwise the highest versioned SDK in each platform is used. -u, --url URL Open this URL, even if it matches exactly a filepath -i, --stdin PATH Launches the application with stdin connected to PATH; defaults to /dev/null -o, --stdout PATH Launches the application with /dev/stdout connected to PATH; --stderr PATH Launches the application with /dev/stderr connected to PATH to --envVAR Add an enviroment variable to the launched process, where VAR is formatted AAA=foo or just AAA for a null string value. Jonathan Cohn On Jun 26, 2022, at 19:57, Karen Lewellen wrote: Hi folks, One thing I am personally finding I seriously need is basic keyboard typing practice. On my main computers, because I have been using them for so many years, I am a swift typist who is very very very used to keeping my hands on the main keyboard and knowing where I am from a screen reader standpoint as well. I am personally feeling that some time with either textedit, or pages, will let me just practice
