RE: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-02 Thread Simon Fogarty
Hi Donna,

 I've not yet tried this but can't see why it wouldn't work.

 If you had the same music collection on the different devices hy wouldn't it 
work.

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Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

Hi Chris,

That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.

By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
how accessible the Sonos app is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
> Chris
>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It seems 
>> that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those songs 
>> were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, Voiceover 
>> said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After that, I was able 
>> to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, but at least 
>> the problem is solved.
>> 
>> But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
>> both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
>> when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music that 
>> is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to play the 
>> music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
>> 
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Hey, don't even mention it!  I'm more than happy to help.  It was my 
pleasure.

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From: "Donna Goodin" <doniado...@me.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?


Hi Chris,

Thanks for all your comments.

I did finally get Sonos working properly on my iPod. I think the problem is 
that I just wasn't giving it enough time to connect.  My iPod is the 
previous Generation, so it's pretty slow, which is why I initially set Sonos 
up on my phone.


anyway, all working well now.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Cheers,
Donna.
On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
<clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:


He's right.  I do it here all the time, and if you are a public beta 
tester of the Sonos Labs platform, this isn't covered under my NDA, so 
this, I can! tell you all openly:  one of the services you can get then is 
the Plex Media Server, which you can store your library in as well.  So 
trust me, there are buttloads of options.

---
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JAWS Certified, 2016.
Training Instructor.

clgillan...@gmail.com
Phone: (704) 256-8010.
- Original Message - From: "Chris Moore" <chris.w...@gmail.com>
To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?


Hi Donna,
Another thing you can do with Sonos is to put all your music on a network 
drive and build a library which can be accessed from any Sonos controller.

Chris

On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,

That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this 
list who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.


By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed 
by how accessible the Sonos app is.

Cheers,
Donna

On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

Donna,
You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
Chris

On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It 
seems that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought 
those songs were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the 
music app, Voiceover said downloading, and gave me the download 
progress. After that, I was able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not 
sure what would cause this, but at least the problem is solved.


But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos 
with both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, 
and now when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see 
the music that is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to 
tell it to play the music on whichever device I'm using as the current 
controller?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Donna Goodin
Wow, that's awesome!  I don't have time to mess with it right now, but I'm 
going to save your message and set it up when I get a minute.  Really glad to 
know there's a Mac app.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:43 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Yup?  You sure can.  You might have to get a little help doing it, Donna, due 
> to the current accessibility status of the mac controller, but go to:
> 
> http://www.sonos.com
> 
> Click on the download link.
> 
> From here, do a find on the page for "Mac" without the quotes.
> Download the controller and connect it to your main Sonos network, which BTW 
> that much is totally accessible.
> 
> Now, once that's done, You'll need to add both your music folder from your 
> home directory, and let it index things, and you'll also want to check the 
> box in the controller app on the mac running the ITunes library you want to 
> share/keep updated in sync.  So, to do this, from the controller, in your 
> menu bar, click on manage.
> 
> In here, choose Music Library Settings.
> 
> It's the 3rd option down in the menu, if that helps.
> 
> Now, in here, make sure you're on the folders tab, then hit the little plus 
> symbol.  Voiceover will call it the add button.
> 
> Now, in here, you've got three radio buttons:
> 
> The one you're probably by default going to be on is to add your music 
> folder, which is usually where ITunes stores your library.  This normally is 
> perfect.  Unless you have a specific reason, don't change it.
> 
> Just for your knowledge though, this is where you'd also tell it that you 
> want your library to reside in another folder aside from your music folder. 
> Or, if you have a network NAS drive, say maybe like on a time capsle or 
> something, you could link to it.  That's a bit beyond the scope of this 
> message, but I wanted you at least to know that those options were there, 
> just FYI.
> 
> Once all this is set, click on Next.
> 
> On this machine I'm at now, I don't have any music in my ITunes, so I can't 
> really right now tell you beyond this point what'll happen.  I don't totally 
> remember from when I did it on my production machine in the studio, but it 
> should be pretty obvious from here.  If not, let me know, and I'll figure it 
> out for ya.  As I said, if you need me to call you, then write me off list, 
> and I'll do so at a time which works for you, and talk you through this.
> 
> Hopefully, this helps.
> 
> Chris. 
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Chris,

Thanks for all your comments.

I did finally get Sonos working properly on my iPod. I think the problem is 
that I just wasn't giving it enough time to connect.  My iPod is the previous 
Generation, so it's pretty slow, which is why I initially set Sonos up on my 
phone.

anyway, all working well now.  Thanks for taking the time to respond.
Cheers,
Donna.
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> He's right.  I do it here all the time, and if you are a public beta tester 
> of the Sonos Labs platform, this isn't covered under my NDA, so this, I can! 
> tell you all openly:  one of the services you can get then is the Plex Media 
> Server, which you can store your library in as well.  So trust me, there are 
> buttloads of options.
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> JAWS Certified, 2016.
> Training Instructor.
> 
> clgillan...@gmail.com
> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "Chris Moore" <chris.w...@gmail.com>
> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?
> 
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Another thing you can do with Sonos is to put all your music on a network 
> drive and build a library which can be accessed from any Sonos controller.
> Chris
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
>> who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.
>> 
>> By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
>> how accessible the Sonos app is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
>>> Chris
>>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It 
>>>> seems that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those 
>>>> songs were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, 
>>>> Voiceover said downloading, and gave me the download progress. After that, 
>>>> I was able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, 
>>>> but at least the problem is solved.
>>>> 
>>>> But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
>>>> both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
>>>> when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music 
>>>> that is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to 
>>>> play the music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
>>>> TIA,
>>>> Donna
>>>> 
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yup?  You sure can.  You might have to get a little help doing it, Donna, 
due to the current accessibility status of the mac controller, but go to:


http://www.sonos.com

Click on the download link.


From here, do a find on the page for "Mac" without the quotes.
Download the controller and connect it to your main Sonos network, which 
BTW that much is totally accessible.


Now, once that's done, You'll need to add both your music folder from your 
home directory, and let it index things, and you'll also want to check the 
box in the controller app on the mac running the ITunes library you want to 
share/keep updated in sync.  So, to do this, from the controller, in your 
menu bar, click on manage.


In here, choose Music Library Settings.

It's the 3rd option down in the menu, if that helps.

Now, in here, make sure you're on the folders tab, then hit the little plus 
symbol.  Voiceover will call it the add button.


Now, in here, you've got three radio buttons:

The one you're probably by default going to be on is to add your music 
folder, which is usually where ITunes stores your library.  This normally is 
perfect.  Unless you have a specific reason, don't change it.


Just for your knowledge though, this is where you'd also tell it that you 
want your library to reside in another folder aside from your music folder. 
Or, if you have a network NAS drive, say maybe like on a time capsle or 
something, you could link to it.  That's a bit beyond the scope of this 
message, but I wanted you at least to know that those options were there, 
just FYI.


Once all this is set, click on Next.

On this machine I'm at now, I don't have any music in my ITunes, so I can't 
really right now tell you beyond this point what'll happen.  I don't totally 
remember from when I did it on my production machine in the studio, but it 
should be pretty obvious from here.  If not, let me know, and I'll figure it 
out for ya.  As I said, if you need me to call you, then write me off list, 
and I'll do so at a time which works for you, and talk you through this.


Hopefully, this helps.

Chris. 


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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
He's right.  I do it here all the time, and if you are a public beta tester 
of the Sonos Labs platform, this isn't covered under my NDA, so this, I can! 
tell you all openly:  one of the services you can get then is the Plex Media 
Server, which you can store your library in as well.  So trust me, there are 
buttloads of options.

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From: "Chris Moore" <chris.w...@gmail.com>

To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?


Hi Donna,
Another thing you can do with Sonos is to put all your music on a network 
drive and build a library which can be accessed from any Sonos controller.

Chris

On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi Chris,

That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this 
list who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.


By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed 
by how accessible the Sonos app is.

Cheers,
Donna

On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

Donna,
You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
Chris

On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It 
seems that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought 
those songs were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music 
app, Voiceover said downloading, and gave me the download progress. 
After that, I was able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what 
would cause this, but at least the problem is solved.


But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos 
with both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, 
and now when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the 
music that is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell 
it to play the music on whichever device I'm using as the current 
controller?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Believe you me Donna, you are not the only one who's majorly impressed!  May 
I add that their staff on the phone support line are, um, to say phenomenal! 
would be a downright insult to them!  That is the mildest understatement of 
the melinium!  They are fan, freaking tastic!  Very very few 
companies/developers have cared so much about accessibility, and their 
customers.  I've tweeted them on Twitter,


@Sonos

by the way,

and literally each time, I'd say within an hour, provided it's business 
hours, I have a response.  This is quite consistent of a turnaround.


It's a shame that their OSX version of the controller app isn't the most 
Voiceover friendly.  I mean, it can be done, don't get me wrong here, but 
there are lots of unlabeled buttons, some of which you manually can figure 
out with help tags, but not all of them are such.  Some don't have tags. 
Now, like Donna said though, if you're thinking about trying this speaker 
system, I can tell you this.


The Windows version with both JAWS, and NVDA is incredible!  The iOS version 
also is rock solid as can be, and the Android version, well, items within a 
list, like when you're browsing your library will tell you that they are 
checkbox items, checked or unchecked, which isn't really true, so they're 
not exactly classed correctly in Android, but! that said, they definitely do 
read, and with Talkback it's 100% doable.  Maybe a little weird how things 
are read, but definitely very manageable.


Stay tuned though, as far as the OSX version is concerned with 
accessibility.  As a private beta tester of their controller apps on all 
platforms, I can't really say anything more due to NDA, but we'll just say 
that some things are in the works that I think'll blow you guys away once 
released.  Really that's all I'm at liberty to say though, but yes.  Plus1 
all the way, I concur with Donna completely here, and if you've never heard 
the sound of these speakers, even for the littlest model, the Play1, oh? My? 
God!  Holy! freaking? catfish!  I'm an audio engineer, so you know me... I 
gotta have very very good quality sounding speakers/monitors.  These 
speakers have absolutely taken my breath away!


They're not exactly cheap, I'll admit that, but for what you get quality 
wise? Plus, the accessibility right out of the box, plus the level of 
excellent tech support/customer care you get?  If you have the money to 
spare for at the very least, a Play1, you'd be crazy then not to try it!

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Subject: Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?


Hi Chris,

That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.


By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
how accessible the Sonos app is.

Cheers,
Donna

On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore <chris.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

Donna,
You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
Chris

On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It 
seems that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those 
songs were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, 
Voiceover said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After 
that, I was able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause 
this, but at least the problem is solved.


But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and 
now when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the 
music that is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it 
to play the music on whichever device I'm using as the current 
controller?

TIA,
Donna

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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland

OK, Donna.

Here are a few things.
Firstly and foremost, are these songs you're wanting to play sinply just in 
your music library, or are they actually literally downloaded to your phone 
locally for offline listenning.


If they simply are just added to your library in the cloud, but are not 
literally downloaded, then the controller isn't gonna see them, so beware.


Provided that they are actually locally downloaded, whether you've purchased 
them, or just downloaded them with Apple music, doesn't matter, either way, 
as long as they are actually residing on your device, then here's what you 
do.


First, be sure that your main Sonos system and the device using the 
controller app are both on the same wifi network.  If you are doing the 
extended bridge method with the ethernet cable, then I'm not totally sure 
how that would work, as I've got my Play1 set up over my wifi.  I have good 
enough wifi signal throughout my house that it's not a problem in the least.


OK, so, on iOS, remember your music menu in the top left corner of the 
controller app?  Go ahead and double tap on that to open up the menu with 
all your currently installed/configured services.


Now at the top of your screen, you'll again see the music menu, flick right 
once, and you'll be on the room menu.  It should say the name of the 
currently selected room.  I'm sure you know most a this, but I just wanna be 
sure we're both totally here on the same level of understanding.


Flick again to the right and you'll hear search.  Go again.  You should hear 
Sonos favorites, then again, Sonos Playlists, then again, things may change 
here a little bit, depending on what services you have set up.  So past this 
point, I can't tell you as you flick exactly what you're going to hear, but 
generally speaking, you should hear on this IPhone/IPod/IPad.


Now, double tap on that.

OK, now there should be tabs across the top of the screen like playlists, 
artists, albums, genres, songs, compilations, composers, and finally, 
podcasts.


So double tap on the one you want to view your IPhone's media by.

In my case, I'm going to select Artists, just as an example.

Now of corse, whoops, this just had to happen to me, LOL!  I don't have any 
music currently on the phone.  Dang it!  Oh well, there went that idea of me 
giving you an example.  Oops?  Well, ok, the point is, had I, it would then, 
going down the screen virtically, have had a list of my artists.  I then 
could have simply just double tapped the artist, then the album, then either 
the song to play, or, I could have tapped the item above all the songs when 
within the album itself to play the complete disc.


If what you're saying is, you want to play music from your library say from 
media on an external hard drive or whatever, then you have to add the 
folders first that you want the controller to index on that machine.


I'd be more than happy to type up a tutorial on how to do this, if it would 
help you out.


Also, if you'd like to write me off list with your number, I'd be more than 
happy to set up a time to call you and talk you through this step by step, 
if that would make it easier.


My e-mail is:

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Thanks.

Chris, who is a die hard living, breathing, Sonos fanatic! 


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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Chris,

So can I simply have Sonos access the iTunes library on my Mac?  If not, how 
would I go about doing what you suggest here?
TIA,
Donna
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> Another thing you can do with Sonos is to put all your music on a network 
> drive and build a library which can be accessed from any Sonos controller.
> Chris
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
>> who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.
>> 
>> By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
>> how accessible the Sonos app is.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
>>> Chris
 On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It 
 seems that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those 
 songs were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, 
 Voiceover said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After 
 that, I was able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause 
 this, but at least the problem is solved.
 
 But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
 both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
 when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music 
 that is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to 
 play the music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
 TIA,
 Donna
 
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Chris Moore
Hi Donna,
Another thing you can do with Sonos is to put all your music on a network drive 
and build a library which can be accessed from any Sonos controller.
Chris
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 11:44 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
> who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.
> 
> By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
> how accessible the Sonos app is.
> Cheers,
> Donna
>> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Donna,
>> You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
>> Chris
>>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It seems 
>>> that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those songs 
>>> were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, Voiceover 
>>> said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After that, I was 
>>> able to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, but at 
>>> least the problem is solved.
>>> 
>>> But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
>>> both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
>>> when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music that 
>>> is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to play the 
>>> music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi Chris,

That's my next step.  But since I know there are several people on this list 
who use that system, I thought I'd ask here first.

By the way, in case others are interested, I've been thoroughly impressed by 
how accessible the Sonos app is.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 1, 2016, at 7:49 AM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
> Donna,
> You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
> Chris
>> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It seems 
>> that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those songs 
>> were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, Voiceover 
>> said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After that, I was able 
>> to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, but at least 
>> the problem is solved.
>> 
>> But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
>> both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
>> when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music that 
>> is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to play the 
>> music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: using Sonos with multiple controllers?

2016-08-01 Thread Chris Moore
Donna,
You may want to get in touch with Sonos tech support.
Chris
> On Jul 31, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It seems 
> that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those songs 
> were downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, Voiceover 
> said downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After that, I was able 
> to play those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, but at least 
> the problem is solved.
> 
> But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with 
> both my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now 
> when I use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music that 
> is stored there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to play the 
> music on whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
> TIA,
> Donna
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2016-07-31 Thread Donna Goodin
Hi all,

Happily, I was able to solve the problem I was having last night.  It seems 
that the problem was on my phone.  For some reason it thought those songs were 
downloaded, but when I went to play them from the music app, Voiceover said 
downloading, and gave me the download progress.  After that, I was able to play 
those songs in Sonos.  Not sure what would cause this, but at least the problem 
is solved.

But now I have another question.  I want to be able to control Sonos with both 
my phone and my iPod.  I did the initial setup from my phone, and now when I 
use my iPod as the controller, it doesn't seem to see the music that is stored 
there.  Does anyone know if there's a way to tell it to play the music on 
whichever device I'm using as the current controller?
TIA,
Donna

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