Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Ricardo Walker
I did the same clean install, and am also confused by those who want to go back 
to SL.  lol.  Lion definitely has bugs.  No doubt about it.  If I said other 
wise, I would need my head examined.  But I still find it superior to Snow 
Leopard.  Especially as far as Voiceover is concerned.

Ricardo Walker
rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:

   Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.

   I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing all 
of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and smoother 
than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL or those 
who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:

 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, 
 my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If it was 
 an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with 
 the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the 
 download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads 
 link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of 
 the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has 
 anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email 
 address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com 
 but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Well, count me in as one of those who did an upgrade overtop of SL and find 
they do not wish to return to SL from Lion.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 I did the same clean install, and am also confused by those who want to go 
 back to SL.  lol.  Lion definitely has bugs.  No doubt about it.  If I said 
 other wise, I would need my head examined.  But I still find it superior to 
 Snow Leopard.  Especially as far as Voiceover is concerned.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
 seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.
 
   I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
 applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
 scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing 
 all of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and 
 smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL 
 or those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, 
 my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If it was 
 an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate 
 with the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a 
 current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you 
 the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the 
 downloads link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. 
  You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For 
 example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when 
 trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the 
 title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no 
 feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what 
 is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's 
 accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I wish to do a fresh install of Lion as I burnt the image to DVD but I could 
not do it.

If anyone could write to me off list with instructions please.  I had to 
install over SL.

Thanks.

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:

 Well, count me in as one of those who did an upgrade overtop of SL and find 
 they do not wish to return to SL from Lion.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 I did the same clean install, and am also confused by those who want to go 
 back to SL.  lol.  Lion definitely has bugs.  No doubt about it.  If I said 
 other wise, I would need my head examined.  But I still find it superior to 
 Snow Leopard.  Especially as far as Voiceover is concerned.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
 seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.
 
   I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
 applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
 scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing 
 all of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and 
 smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL 
 or those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If 
 it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate 
 with the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using 
 option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them 
 doing so…I have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a 
 current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you 
 the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the 
 downloads link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any 
 problems.  You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as 
 well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For 
 example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when 
 trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the 
 title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no 
 feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what 
 is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's 
 accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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RE: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Missy Hoppe
Hi! I don't have instructions for you, as I asked Apple about doing a fresh 
install when I was on the phone with them on
Friday, and they claim it can't be done. Installing over SL is, at least from 
what I understand, the only correct and
recommended way. Still, if someone does have instructions that work, I'm sure 
they'll post them, and I'm sure that Mike
Arigo's Lion podcast will prove to be extremely helpful.
Good luck, and I hope you get everything working!

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: voiceover, lion, and safari


I wish to do a fresh install of Lion as I burnt the image to DVD but I could 
not do it.

If anyone could write to me off list with instructions please.  I had to 
install over SL.

Thanks.

Kawal.

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:



Well, count me in as one of those who did an upgrade overtop of SL and find 
they do not wish to return to SL from Lion. 





Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
 http://m.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1?refid=0 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


I did the same clean install, and am also confused by those who want to go back 
to SL.  lol.  Lion definitely has bugs.  No
doubt about it.  If I said other wise, I would need my head examined.  But I 
still find it superior to Snow Leopard.
Especially as far as Voiceover is concerned.

Ricardo Walker
 mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com rwalker...@gmail.com
Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
www.mobileaccess.org

On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:

  Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
seeking some kind of pattern from those who are
having problems in Lion.

  I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
applications one by one and set up all of my mail
accounts and such from scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply 
am not experiencing all of the trouble others
are having and I think Lion runs quicker and smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am 
confused by those wanting to go back to SL or
those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:



I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other system 
changes


On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:



 If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, my 
apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean
install of lion?  If it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check 
afterwards?



Take Care



John Panarese


jpanar...@gmail.com





On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:



But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for 
me, I might change to links and press the down
arrow and many times voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can 
only navigate with the left and right arrow
keys.



However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and announce 
doc items…thanks for that



Cody


On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:



I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links option 
there.  I also used the control-option-f search
as well.  It does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I 
can easily navigate.



Take Care



John Panarese


jpanar...@gmail.com





On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:



For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to 
move items. the items move, but I get no feedback
of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however…



When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com
only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though 
the downloads link is visible on the hj.com
site…



Cody


On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:



I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing 
feedback.  Are you using option-command and the
arrow keys to move the items?



As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  You 
can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f
as well.


Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to 
Apple.



Take Care



John Panarese


jpanar...@gmail.com





On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:



Hi everyone,



Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the 
item chooser is basically useless, and some times
when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the 
title of the page. also, moving items on the doc
works, but get

Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Thanks.  I look forward to Mike's podcast.

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Jul 2011, at 12:36 PM, Missy Hoppe melis...@fuse.net wrote:

 Hi! I don't have instructions for you, as I asked Apple about doing a fresh 
 install when I was on the phone with them on Friday, and they claim it can't 
 be done. Installing over SL is, at least from what I understand, the only 
 correct and recommended way. Still, if someone does have instructions that 
 work, I'm sure they'll post them, and I'm sure that Mike Arigo's Lion podcast 
 will prove to be extremely helpful.
 Good luck, and I hope you get everything working!
 
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
 Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 7:32 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
 
 I wish to do a fresh install of Lion as I burnt the image to DVD but I could 
 not do it.
 
 If anyone could write to me off list with instructions please.  I had to 
 install over SL.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Kawal.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 27 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Ray Foret Jr rfore...@att.net wrote:
 
 Well, count me in as one of those who did an upgrade overtop of SL and find 
 they do not wish to return to SL from Lion.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 
 
 On Jul 27, 2011, at 2:42 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 I did the same clean install, and am also confused by those who want to go 
 back to SL.  lol.  Lion definitely has bugs.  No doubt about it.  If I said 
 other wise, I would need my head examined.  But I still find it superior to 
 Snow Leopard.  Especially as far as Voiceover is concerned.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter  Skype: rwalker296
 www.mobileaccess.org
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
 seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.
 
   I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
 applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
 scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing 
 all of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and 
 smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to 
 SL or those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 
 
 
  If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  
 If it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 
 
 
 
 Take Care
 
 
 
 
 
 John Panarese
 
 
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work 
 properly for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and 
 many times voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only 
 navigate with the left and right arrow keys.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Cody
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It 
 does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can 
 easily navigate.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Take Care
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 John Panarese
 
 
 
 
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using 
 option to move items. the items move,but I get no 
 feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however…
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a 
 current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives 
 you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the 
 downloads link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Cody
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you  using option-command and 
 the arrow keys to move theitems?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any 
 problems.  You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as 
 well

Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread John Panarese
I really am starting to believe that many issues people are reporting are 
system specific.  It's just completely odd to me that folks using virtually the 
same kinds of systems and configurations, as well as their methods of 
installing Lion are having completely different experiences.  I am not in the 
least belittling or minimizing anyone's difficulties, as I certainly can feel 
for them.  Since I am having such a good experience in Lion, I only wish that 
everyone else could have similar results as I am.  Thus, trying to determine, 
in anyway, what factors or circumstances are leading to specific kinds of 
problems would be a great help towards solutions.  I just wish I could offer 
additional suggestions to cure the Item Chooser issue and the like.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 27, 2011, at 1:11 AM, Cody wrote:

 nope I did everything manually so far
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
 seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.
 
   I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
 applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
 scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing 
 all of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and 
 smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL 
 or those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If 
 it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate 
 with the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using 
 option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them 
 doing so…I have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a 
 current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you 
 the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the 
 downloads link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any 
 problems.  You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as 
 well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For 
 example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when 
 trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the 
 title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no 
 feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what 
 is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's 
 accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-27 Thread Dan Roy
I am not having problems with the web rotor, but, I am having a lot of Safari 
busy messages when I click on certain links.  the Item chooser, well, sometimes 
it works a little bit and others, VO just stops for a few seconds and restarts. 
 This is an upgrade and I have done the permission repair twice.  I am going to 
try a install from scratch as soon as I have the time and ambition to do so!


On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:

 If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If it 
 was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with 
 the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the 
 download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads 
 link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the 
 page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon 
 reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address 
 i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm 
 not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread Cody
Hi everyone,

Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the 
item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with 
the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving 
items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues 
to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe 
it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…

Regards,
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread John Panarese
I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the 
items?

As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
   Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to 
Apple.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the 
 item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate 
 with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, 
 moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the 
 safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send 
 them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread Cody
For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to 
move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not 
tried option command, however…

When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download 
button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible 
on the hj.com site…

Cody
On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:

I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move 
 the items?
 
As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
   Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the 
 item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate 
 with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, 
 moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the 
 safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send 
 them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread John Panarese
  I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does not 
show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate.

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:

 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to 
 move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not 
 tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download 
 button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is 
 visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move 
 the items?
 
   As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
  Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the 
 item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate 
 with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, 
 moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the 
 safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send 
 them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread Cody
But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for 
me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times voiceover 
just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with the left and 
right arrow keys.

However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and announce 
doc items…thanks for that

Cody
On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:

  I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does not 
 show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to 
 move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have 
 not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download 
 button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is 
 visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move 
 the items?
 
  As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the 
 page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon 
 reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i 
 should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not 
 sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread John Panarese
 If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, 
my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If it was an 
upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?

Take Care

John Panarese
jpanar...@gmail.com



On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:

 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for 
 me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times voiceover 
 just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with the left 
 and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does not 
 show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to 
 move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have 
 not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the 
 download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads 
 link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move 
 the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the 
 page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon 
 reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address 
 i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm 
 not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread Cody
I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other system 
changes
On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:

 If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If it 
 was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with 
 the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the 
 download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads 
 link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback 
 to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the 
 page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon 
 reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address 
 i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm 
 not sure…
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread John Panarese
Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.

I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing all 
of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and smoother 
than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL or those 
who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.

Take Care

John Panarese
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On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:

 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If 
 it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with 
 the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current 
 webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the 
 download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads 
 link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems.  
 You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, 
 the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to 
 navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of 
 the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has 
 anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email 
 address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com 
 but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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Re: voiceover, lion, and safari

2011-07-26 Thread Cody
nope I did everything manually so far
On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:46 PM, John Panarese wrote:

Did you import your settings?  I'm not trying to be picky here, as I am 
 seeking some kind of pattern from those who are having problems in Lion.
 
I did a complete clean install and then manually put back all of my 
 applications one by one and set up all of my mail accounts and such from 
 scratch.  I didn't migrate anything.  So far, I simply am not experiencing 
 all of the trouble others are having and I think Lion runs quicker and 
 smoother than Snow Leopard.  I am confused by those wanting to go back to SL 
 or those who think they shouldn't upgrade because of what they have read.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other 
 system changes
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
   If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, 
 again, my apologies.  ?  Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion?  If 
 it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards?
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly 
 for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times 
 voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate 
 with the left and right arrow keys.
 
 However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and 
 announce doc items…thanks for that
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
  I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links 
 option there.  I also used the control-option-f search as well.  It does 
 not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily 
 navigate.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option 
 to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I 
 have not tried option command, however…
 
 When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a 
 current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you 
 the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the 
 downloads link is visible on the hj.com site…
 
 Cody
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote:
 
 I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and 
 hearing feedback.  Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to 
 move the items?
 
 As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. 
  You can use the  VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well.
 Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and 
 feedback to Apple.
 
 Take Care
 
 John Panarese
 jpanar...@gmail.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 
 Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For 
 example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when 
 trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the 
 title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no 
 feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what 
 is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's 
 accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure…
 
 Regards,
 Cody
 
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