Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Daniel Miller]

Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, there 
is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need to send 
your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.

Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris 
> 
> Fully understand that one,
> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
> process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through 
> removing the profile previously installed.
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
> 
> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
> should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back 
> to version 2.22. Good luck.
>> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Team,
>> 
>> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>> 
>> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to 
>> install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it 
>> has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in 
>> this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
>> 
>> Chers,
>> 
>> 
>> Simon f.
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Re: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
It may be that i had blindsquare in my appswitcher.
We’ll see later on.
The strange thing was that the battery draning occured even last saturday.
/A
> On 16 Aug 2016, at 04:59, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> Do you have an app like the KNFB reader or something like it that leaves the 
> light on?
> 
> 
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Terje Strømberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Location services do not drain the battery power as much as having an GPS 
>> app open. So, that is not the cause of this error.
>> 
>> Take care 
>> 
>>> 15. aug. 2016 kl. 09.50 skrev Simon Fogarty :
>>> 
>>> Yes I do have location services on,
>>> 
>>> I have always had location services on, since I've had an iPhone as it's 
>>> been usefull 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Terje Strømberg
>>> Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2016 10:37 PM
>>> To: Mac Group 
>>> Cc: Terje Strømberg 
>>> Subject: Re: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.
>>> 
>>> That is not normal for iPhone SE. Maybe you have an GPS turned on, but if 
>>> you turn off the iPhone, this neither should be a problem. 
>>> 
>>> Take care
>>> 
>>> 
 14. aug. 2016 kl. 05.04 skrev Simon Fogarty :
 
 Well I don't know about the se, but I run the ios10 beta also and I'm 
 pretty sure my battery usage is twice what it wwas on ios9.x
 
 Although no one else has mentione this.
 
 My 6s plus is less than 50% after 24 hours.
 
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
 Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2016 1:34 AM
 To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
 Subject: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.
 
 Hi!
 Last saturday i woke up finding my Iphone drained from 50% to 0.
 Ok, so i charged my phone.
 Now today when i woke up my Iphone was drained from 60% so i had to 
 recharge it again.
 It makes me wonder if something is wrong with my Iphone SE.
 Or is this something that can happen sometimes?
 To be honest i am on the public beta with it so it might be that to but 
 thought i’d might ask here for advice before i do something else.
 Thanks in advance.
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RE: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.

[Simon Fogarty]

Interesting,

 My beta version says IOS 10 through the software update and then 10.0.14 I 
think it is when looking at the about this phone 
But yet there are no updates available so I can only assume that my phone is 
completely up to date.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 7:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.

Now, I have iOS 10 beta 6 on my iPhone 5s and iPad Mini 2. Will update the iPod 
Touch 6 later.
> On 15 Aug 2016, at 08:54, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Could you advise what that beta version is on both devices?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2016 7:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.
> 
> I have the latest update to the beta too, but only on my iPad Mini 2 and iPod 
> Touch 6. Battery life is about the same as they were on iOS 9.
>> On 14 Aug 2016, at 04:04, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>> 
>> Well I don't know about the se, but I run the ios10 beta also and I'm pretty 
>> sure my battery usage is twice what it wwas on ios9.x
>> 
>> Although no one else has mentione this.
>> 
>> My 6s plus is less than 50% after 24 hours.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg
>> Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2016 1:34 AM
>> To: 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>> Subject: Iphone Battery drain makes me worrid.
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Last saturday i woke up finding my Iphone drained from 50% to 0.
>> Ok, so i charged my phone.
>> Now today when i woke up my Iphone was drained from 60% so i had to recharge 
>> it again.
>> It makes me wonder if something is wrong with my Iphone SE.
>> Or is this something that can happen sometimes?
>> To be honest i am on the public beta with it so it might be that to but 
>> thought i’d might ask here for advice before i do something else.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> /A
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RE: IOS & watch beta question

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Chris 

 Fully understand that one,
 I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same process 
of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through removing the 
profile previously installed.


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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back to 
version 2.22. Good luck.
> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> Hi Team,
>  
> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>  
> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to 
> install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it 
> has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in this 
> and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
>  
> Chers,
>  
>  
> Simon f.
> 
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Re: accessible app recommendation needed please

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I must be a bit of a stupid one that didn’t think of googling.
Sorry for that.
I can only blame the Olympics for it as itts in the middle of the night here in 
sweden.
At least the funny things.
/A
> On 14 Aug 2016, at 00:46, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> 
> I did a bit of google work and it appears a pre-compiled version is at:
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sox/files/sox/
> 
> There is also a sox wrap I saw mentioned that provides a GUI interface to the 
> command line tool. As well as a being included in the home-brew packages of 
> tools used to provide more Linux like distributions to the Macintosh platform.
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Aug 13, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes i guess so to.
>> Even though i haven’t found the make command on the mac.
>> I have xcode installed and i read a webforum where someone mentioned Xcode 
>> has make included.
>> /A
>>> On 13 Aug 2016, at 01:36, Scott Granados  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anders, well done, sox it is.  Not included but I’m sure you could compile 
>>> a copy locally.
>>> 
 On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:08 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Is it sox you was looking  for as a unix command.
 I don’t know  if its included on the mac.
 /A
> On 12 Aug 2016, at 21:10, Scott Granados  wrote:
> 
> There’s a unix command line that does this as well.  I forgot the 
> commands but used to use it all the time to normalize audio for Asterisk.
> 
>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 3:01 PM, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>> Zoe,
>> 
>> (Gee, I hope I spelled your name right).  There is a service (at least 
>> on my macintosh called "Encode selected files".
>> 
>> 
>> I expect since I did not have a need to enable this, that it is 
>> available by default in the contextual menu.
>> 
>> If not, then try selecting your files, go to the finder menu (next to 
>> the apple menu) and check the services sub-menu. If you can not find it 
>> there, then I will hunt around my system some and give you some more 
>> directions.
>> 
>> Let us know if you find the service and if it works for you.
>> ,
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 12, 2016, at 2:38 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Zoe, I use a program called pro audio converter. Its available in
>>> the app store for I think $9.99. It works great. I first got it
>>> because I have a huge audio book library and wanted to run the files
>>> through a converter to see if I could reduce each book size (in mb). A
>>> lot of convertors I tried shortened the books, but pro audio converter
>>> was perfect.
>>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 8/12/16, zoe fiogkos  wrote:
 Hi chuck thank you so much, I should have stated that the only thing I
 didn’t want to use is iTunes. It’s not that I don’t like iTunes, but 
 when I
 transferred from windows to the mac something went nuts with my iTunes
 library, so now I have thousands of files in my iTunes folder. So if I
 convert with iTunes I will need 3 days to find the file.
 Anyhow I found an online converter that did the trick so now my voice 
 memo
 is successfully in my itunes library and I have an mp3 version for my
 husband to listen to when he is out and about. My next step should be 
 to fix
 my itunes library but right now it looks real scary lol. Thank you for 
 your
 kindness in answering my question so quickly.
 Regards
 Zoe
 
 
 by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. 
 Jesus
 said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but 
 the
 faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. 
 My only
 hope is that it won’t be too late..
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CHUCK REICHEL
 Sent: August 12, 2016 1:53 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: accessible app recommendation needed please
 
 Hi zoe,
 I use itunes to do this most of the time.
 You just half to check your itunes import preferences and make sure 
 its set
 to lets say mp3 in your case.
 HTH
 Chuck
 
 
 CHUCK REICHEL
 soundpicturerecord...@gmail.com 
 
 www.SoundPictureRecording.com 
 954-742-0019
 Isaiah 26 : 3

text navigation help

[zoe fiogkos]

Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to see
this visually.
Any help please?
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
hope is that it won't be too late..  


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Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Douglas Lawlor]

Hello all,

Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I do a 
search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm not sure 
if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on this would be 
appreciated. 

You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!

Doug


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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Jonathan Cohn]

No, the problem is that when in laptop layout the "JAWS" key is the caps
lock key and the insert key is no longer associated with the
"jaws+functions".  There might be a "use key for JAWS key" type setting in
the settings center under the default configuration, or you you could edit
default.jkm and change all of the "jaws+" to insert+" and then go about
your JAWS work. Oh, you only want to change these in the region starting
with [laptop] and ending with the next [].

I won't be using JAWS until later this afternoon, so I can't check the
specifics. If nobody replies to then I will check into this after I have my
Windows VM running.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 16 August 2016 at 08:09, jeff `greene  wrote:

> Hi Helga and Scott,
> Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
> command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
> I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
> under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
> Best, Jeff
>
>
> On 8/15/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> > Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard
> type
> > and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> > recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
> >
> > I’m confused as well.
> >
> >> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Helga,
> >> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
> >> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
> >> think that will do it!
> >> Hope this helps! Jeff
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
> >>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
> >>> instlal
> >>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
> >>> with
> >>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
> >>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
> >>> regarding
> >>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
> >>> key
> >>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
> >>> the
> >>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
> >>> colon
> >>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
> >>> does
> >>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
> >>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
> >>> numpad
> >>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
> >>> any
> >>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
> >>> get a
> >>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
> >>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
> >>> wondering. I
> >>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
> >>> keyboard,
> >>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
> >>> LOL
> >>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
> >>>
> >>> Helga Schreiber
> >>>
> >>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> >>> Blind
> >>> Students.
> >>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> >>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> >>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> >>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
> >>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> >>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> >>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> >>>
> >>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> >>> whoever
> >>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> >>> Sent from my iPhone 6S running IOS 9.3.4
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ooo niauiss!  You have an IPhone 6S+, says your signature?  NO need to run wild 
with this thread, in fact, you can write me off list, if you'd like about this, 
but how do you like it?  I love! my 6S, as well as my backup 6+.  I'd love! to 
have the best of both worlds.  LOL!

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:46 AM
  Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


  Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, there 
is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need to send 
your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.

  Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

  On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Chris 

Fully understand that one,
I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through 
removing the profile previously installed.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back to 
version 2.22. Good luck.

  On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:



  Hi Team,



  I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?



  I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to 

  install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe 
it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in 
this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.



  Chers,





  Simon f.



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You are exactly correct, Arnald, and the app is totally 100% accessible the 
last that I tried it, both on Windows, as well as on OSX.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Arnold Schmidt" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along what I 
found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to download these 
files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing for the mac, and 
apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for mac, and if it finds 
something, install it and see if you can use it. Being so new to the mac, I 
definitely would not be the one to test this mp3 downloader.


Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and 
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, 
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told by a 
supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely going 
to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I require them 
under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access page 
is worse than the rest oft he site.

ideas?
Kare


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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Um, yeah.  I can't say that I blame you.  I upgraded my watch, but then, I 
see no reason to roll back.  I can't reveal any specifics, but I will say I 
find it to be unbelievably rock solid.

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- Original Message - 
From: "christopher hallsworth" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question


Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it 
will be possible to roll back yourself.

On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:

Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, 
there is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need 
to send your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.


Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus

On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:


Hi Chris

Fully understand that one,
I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS 
through removing the profile previously installed.



-Original Message-
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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher 
hallsworth

Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it 
back to version 2.22. Good luck.

On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Team,

I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?

I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe 
it has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong 
in this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.


Chers,


Simon f.

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Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we 
cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, 
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- Original Message - 
From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 

To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


Hello all,

My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did 
not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that 
it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?


Ben

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Re: text navigation help

[christopher hallsworth]

Option-left/right should do the trick. This is a system-wide OS X keyboard 
shortcut to move word by word.
> On 16 Aug 2016, at 21:32, zoe fiogkos  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
> caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
> language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
> the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to see
> this visually.
> Any help please?
> Regards
> Zoe
> 
> 
> by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
> said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
> faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My only
> hope is that it won't be too late..  
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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[christopher hallsworth]

Oh, that’s that then. Again, will definitely stay away, until at least it will 
be possible to roll back yourself.
> On 16 Aug 2016, at 10:46, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
> Actually, once you've upgraded your watch to a beta version of watchOS, there 
> is no way to restore back to the shipping version yourself. You need to send 
> your watch back to Apple so they can do it for you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6S Plus
> 
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 5:31 AM, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris 
>> 
>> Fully understand that one,
>> I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
>> process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through 
>> removing the profile previously installed.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth
>> Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question
>> 
>> I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
>> should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back 
>> to version 2.22. Good luck.
>>> On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Team,
>>> 
>>> I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?
>>> 
>>> I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to 
>>> install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it 
>>> has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in 
>>> this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.
>>> 
>>> Chers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Simon f.
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[E.T.]

   Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about 
downloading music via web interface.


   I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am 
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.


As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your web 
browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web 
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums and 
multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file format 
that compresses content for quicker transfer.


You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital 
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders 
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library 
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary


Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the 
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music app 
for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music files 
directly."


For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a 
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click 
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your 
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an 
individual .MP3 file.


To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save 
the file(s).


2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers display 
the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an option to 
open it.


3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder. 
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the 
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").


Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and 
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or 
location where you saved your download, then select each track you want 
to add and confirm.


To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music 
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download 
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to iTunes 
or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information, 
including installation instructions, go to:

https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

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On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files,
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
by a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
require them under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
page is worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and 
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that 
says

"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is 
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.

Thanks,
Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about downloading 
music via web interface.


  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am pasting 
below the information Amazon sent to Mark.


As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your web 
browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web browser 
downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums and multiple 
tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file format that 
compresses content for quicker transfer.


You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital Music 
Store purchase, from Your Orders (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and 
from your music library https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary


Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the "Download" 
option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac, 
you can click "No thanks, just download music files directly."


For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a pop-up 
window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click the files in 
the download window once they're ready to save to your computer. If you've 
only selected one song, it downloads as an individual .MP3 file.


To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save the 
file(s).


2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers display the 
status of your download onscreen, and then give you an option to open it.


3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder. You can 
then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the preferred 
location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").


Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and select 
"Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or location where you 
saved your download, then select each track you want to add and confirm.


To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music to 
your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download your 
music library, automatically export your downloaded music to iTunes or 
Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information, including 
installation instructions, go to:

https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

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On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi folks,
 I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
 e-mail.
 I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files,
 that I have purchased.
 Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
 by a supervisor should not be the case.
 Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
 going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
 require them under deadline.
 Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
 page is worse than the rest oft he site.
 ideas?
 Kare



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[E.T.]

   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, 
who knows.


pk...@amazon.com

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On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:


  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Hi folks,
 I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
 e-mail.
 I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,
 that I have purchased.
 Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
 by a supervisor should not be the case.
 Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
 going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
 require them under deadline.
 Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
 page is worse than the rest oft he site.
 ideas?
 Kare



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Re: IOS & watch beta question

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Not exactly.

On the watch, they make it a pain in the freaking kneck!  You literally! 
have to send the watch in to Apple for service to downgrade it.  Pretty dang 
stupid if you want my opinion, but, ok, whatever.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Simon Fogarty" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 5:31 AM
Subject: RE: IOS & watch beta question


Hi Chris

Fully understand that one,
I do know that if things go crazy the removal is done through the same 
process of how you install, its just a case of uninstalling the OS through 
removing the profile previously installed.



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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth

Sent: Tuesday, 16 August 2016 6:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS & watch beta question

I’m staying right where I am. Yes, I could, install watchOS 3.0 beta, but 
should there be any problems, I would have no clue on how to restore it back 
to version 2.22. Good luck.

On 15 Aug 2016, at 09:03, Simon Fogarty  wrote:

Hi Team,

I just wondered what the current Watch OS version is?

I’ve currently got watch os 2.22 on my sport but I was trying to
install the lwatch os beta version over the weekend and I don’t believe it 
has yet installed and I can’t see were the problem lyes or am I wrong in 
this and 2.22 is the current beta version, Can anyone advise.


Chers,


Simon f.

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Re: text navigation help

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Left and right arrows to move character by character.  Make sure quick nav 
isn't on.


Option+left and right arrow, again be sure quick nav isn't on, to move word 
by word.  Up and down arrow, make sure quick nav isn't on, to move line by 
line.

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- Original Message - 
From: "zoe fiogkos" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: text navigation help



Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by
caricter and word by word? I want to go through a document in an other
language and edit it. Also I want to visually see as I'm moving what's in
the curser. So as I hear voiceover and use the keyboard I also want to see
this visually.
Any help please?
Regards
Zoe


by the intersessions of the holy Theotokos, Lord have mercy on us. Jesus
said when I return will I find the faith, not will I find faith, but the
faith. So many will be shocked when he comes again in all his glory. My 
only

hope is that it won't be too late..


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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg 
2.0?  LOL!  Smile.

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.


wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told by 
amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader 
required.
hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which is 
why I desire the amazon contact.

thanks,
Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:



I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along what I 
found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to download these 
files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing for the mac, and 
apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for mac, and if it 
finds something, install it and see if you can use it. Being so new to 
the mac, I definitely would not be the one to test this mp3 downloader.


Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone

On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  
wrote:


Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and 
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, 
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told 
by a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely 
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I 
require them under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access 
page is worse than the rest oft he site.

ideas?
Kare


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amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and 
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, 
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told by 
a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely going 
to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I require them 
under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access 
page is worse than the rest oft he site.

ideas?
Kare

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Arnold Schmidt]

I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along what I 
found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to download these files. 
I googled to find out if there is such a thing for the mac, and apparently 
there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for mac, and if it finds something, 
install it and see if you can use it. Being so new to the mac, I definitely 
would not be the one to test this mp3 downloader. 

Arnold Schmidt 



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On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, that I 
have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told by a 
supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely going to 
have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I require them under 
deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access page is 
worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare


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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told by 
amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader 
required.
hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which is 
why I desire the amazon contact.

thanks,
Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:



I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along what I 
found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to download these files. 
I googled to find out if there is such a thing for the mac, and apparently 
there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for mac, and if it finds something, 
install it and see if you can use it. Being so new to the mac, I definitely 
would not be the one to test this mp3 downloader.

Arnold Schmidt



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On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, that I 
have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told by a 
supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely going to 
have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I require them under 
deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access page is 
worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare


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Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

[ben J. Bloomgren]

Hello all,

My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did not 
get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that it 
works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?

Ben

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Character by character is just the left or right arrows. Word by word is option 
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Hi everybody, please help, while in text edit how do I move caricter by 
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Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

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OK, I stand corrected then, thanks for the heads up, and my apology.
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  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:27 PM
  Subject: Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


  no home kit is an IOS9 feature:
  http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/


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I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we 
cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, if 
I'm wrong.
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- Original Message - From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 

To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa


Hello all,

My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did 
not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that it 
works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?

Ben

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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Agreed.
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- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.


Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he 
would directly deal with as head of the whole department.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who 
knows.


pk...@amazon.com

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On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

 Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

 I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

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On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
by a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
require them under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
page is worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Ehh? Ka!  Brown Noser!  You sure know your stuff.  LOL!  NO, I'm just 
kidding with ya.  but Seriously though, thank you for the information.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Karen Lewellen" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.


web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules 
govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries. 
Reflected in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to be 
the web extension of the Americans with disabilities act.


In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human rights 
laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to access 
goods and services.



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg 
2.0? LOL!  Smile.

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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.


 wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told 
by

 amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
 required.
 hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which 
is

 why I desire the amazon contact.
 thanks,
 Kare

 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

>
>  I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along 
> what I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to 
> download these files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing 
> for the mac, and apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for 
> mac, and if it finds something, install it and see if you can use it. 
> Being so new to the mac, I definitely would not be the one to test 
> this mp3 downloader.

>
>  Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
>  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen 
>  wrote:

>
>  Hi folks,
>  I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name 
> and e-mail.
>  I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three 
> files, that I have purchased.
>  Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am 
> told by a supervisor should not be the case.
>  Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely 
> going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I 
> require them under deadline.
>  Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the 
> access page is worse than the rest oft he site.

>  ideas?
>  Kare
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[E.T.]

   Chris.Brown noser? What the hell. If you cannot or will not try to 
do some advocating, then go crawl in a corner and be quiet.


   Some people like Karen are really wanting to level that damn playing 
field and all you can do is run your mouth off.


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On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Ehh? Ka!  Brown Noser!  You sure know your stuff.  LOL!  NO, I'm
just kidding with ya.  but Seriously though, thank you for the information.
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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules
govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries.
Reflected in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to
be the web extension of the Americans with disabilities act.

In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human
rights laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to
access goods and services.


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:


What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is
Wacg 2.0? LOL!  Smile.
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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen"

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



 wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am
told by
 amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
 required.
 hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help
here...which is
 why I desire the amazon contact.
 thanks,
 Kare

 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

>
>  I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing
along > what I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3
downloader to > download these files. I googled to find out if there
is such a thing > for the mac, and apparently there is. Google
Amazon mp3 downloader for > mac, and if it finds something, install
it and see if you can use it. > Being so new to the mac, I
definitely would not be the one to test > this mp3 downloader.
>
>  Arnold Schmidt
>
>
>
>  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
>
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen >
 wrote:
>
>  Hi folks,
>  I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their
name > and e-mail.
>  I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
> files, that I have purchased.
>  Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I
am > told by a supervisor should not be the case.
>  Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am
likely > going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my
files as I > require them under deadline.
>  Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the >
access page is worse than the rest oft he site.
>  ideas?
>  Kare
>
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[E.T.]

Mary,
   Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is 
not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?


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On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.

pk...@amazon.com

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On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

 Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

 I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

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On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
by a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
require them under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
page is worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Mary Otten]

I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability initiative 
and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as a general rule 
the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in the habit of answering 
nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just based on the fact that they 
are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter corn at that address, assuming 
it is correct. But if you don't get an answer, don't be surprised.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Mary,
>   Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is not 
> the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
>> ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
>> him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he 
>> would directly deal with as head of the whole department.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who 
>>> knows.
>>> 
>>> pk...@amazon.com
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
 locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
 says
 "we are having a problem with your music orders.
 I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
 for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
 Thanks,
 Kare
 
 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> 
> Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
> downloading music via web interface.
> 
> I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
> pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> 
> As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
> web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
> browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
> and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
> format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
> 
> You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
> Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
> (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
> https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
> 
> Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
> "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
> app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
> files directly."
> 
> For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
> pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
> the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
> computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
> individual .MP3 file.
> 
> To complete your download:
> 
> 1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
> the file(s).
> 
> 2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
> display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
> option to open it.
> 
> 3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
> You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
> preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").
> 
> Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
> select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
> location where you saved your download, then select each track you
> want to add and confirm.
> 
> To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
> https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads
> 
> You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
> to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
> your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
> iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
> including installation instructions, go to:
> https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

I suppose I will find out as I sent him a copy of the email I provided the 
accessibility feedback team.

Speaking only for myself, I would hope  he took an interest.
The lack of keyboard interaction, most notably  on the areas defined as 
being 
for screen reader use   does not reflect well on his leadership.

Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:


Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.

pk...@amazon.com

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

 Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

 I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
by a supervisor should not be the case.
Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
require them under deadline.
Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
page is worse than the rest oft he site.
ideas?
Kare



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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[E.T.]

   No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... 
If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is 
it not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to 
hear from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?


From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability initiative 
and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as a general rule 
the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in the habit of answering 
nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just based on the fact that they 
are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter corn at that address, assuming 
it is correct. But if you don't get an answer, don't be surprised.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:

Mary,
  Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is not the 
one to take it to, then who or what or where?

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.

pk...@amazon.com

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,
that I have purchased.
Amazon seems to be force 

Re: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa

[Michael Babcock]

no home kit is an IOS9 feature:
http://www.apple.com/ios/homekit/ 

***
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Your Own Pay 
Lets Connect On Twitter
@payown 
Or facebook
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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:15 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't think homekit is available yet unless you have iOS 10, which we 
> cannot discuss here.  Someone correct me on the former of those two facts, if 
> I'm wrong.
> ---
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> 
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> Phone: (704) 256-8010.
> - Original Message - From: "ben J. Bloomgren" 
> 
> To: "'Maxwell Ivey' via MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 8:40 PM
> Subject: Smart thermostat with Amazon Alexa
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> My family recently got an Ecobee Smart thermostat. It turns out that we did 
> not get the correct version to work with Apple HomeKit. However, I fear that 
> it works with Amazon Alexa. Has anybody on here used this or similar smart 
> thermostat with Alexa for iOS? What is your experience?
> 
> Ben
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules 
govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries.  Reflected 
in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to be the web 
extension of the Americans with disabilities act.


In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human rights 
laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to access 
goods and services.



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg 2.0? 
LOL!  Smile.

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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



 wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told by
 amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
 required.
 hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help here...which is
 why I desire the amazon contact.
 thanks,
 Kare


 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:

> 
>  I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along what 
>  I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to download 
>  these files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing for the mac, 
>  and apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader for mac, and if it 
>  finds something, install it and see if you can use it. Being so new to 
>  the mac, I definitely would not be the one to test this mp3 downloader.
> 
>  Arnold Schmidt
> 
> 
> 
>  Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> 
>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Hi folks,
>  I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and 
>  e-mail.
>  I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three files, 
>  that I have purchased.
>  Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told 
>  by a supervisor should not be the case.
>  Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely 
>  going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I 
>  require them under deadline.
>  Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access 
>  page is worse than the rest oft he site.

>  ideas?
>  Kare
> 
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Mary Otten]

Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.
> 
> pk...@amazon.com
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
>> locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
>> says
>> "we are having a problem with your music orders.
>> I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
>> for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
>> Thanks,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
>>> downloading music via web interface.
>>> 
>>>  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
>>> pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
>>> 
>>> As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
>>> web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
>>> browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
>>> and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
>>> format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
>>> 
>>> You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
>>> Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
>>> (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
>>> https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
>>> 
>>> Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
>>> "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
>>> app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
>>> files directly."
>>> 
>>> For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
>>> pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
>>> the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
>>> computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
>>> individual .MP3 file.
>>> 
>>> To complete your download:
>>> 
>>> 1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
>>> the file(s).
>>> 
>>> 2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
>>> display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
>>> option to open it.
>>> 
>>> 3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
>>> You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
>>> preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").
>>> 
>>> Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
>>> select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
>>> location where you saved your download, then select each track you
>>> want to add and confirm.
>>> 
>>> To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads
>>> 
>>> You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
>>> to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
>>> your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
>>> iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
>>> including installation instructions, go to:
>>> https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 Hi folks,
 I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
 e-mail.
 I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
 files,
 that I have purchased.
 Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am told
 by a supervisor should not be the case.
 Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely
 going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I
 require them under deadline.
 Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the access
 page is worse than the rest oft he site.
 ideas?
 Kare
 
>>> 
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

 The web accessibility initiative  groups have  been generating guidelines 
for 
access for well decades.

visit www.w3c.org
If you wish to educate yourself about the rules.
One basic guideline is that all functions are to work from the keyboard. 
Making  the several links on the for screen reader use pages on the amazon 
website which seem to require a mouse a bit of a problem.



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Ehh? Ka!  Brown Noser!  You sure know your stuff.  LOL!  NO, I'm just 
kidding with ya.  but Seriously though, thank you for the information.

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- Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 


To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.



 web access content guidelines, 2.0  developed by the w3c, these rules
 govern accessibility and inclusive web design in many countries. Reflected
 in  say section 508, stateside,  and considered by some to be the web
 extension of the Americans with disabilities act.

 In some places failing to follow WACG 2.0  is a violation of human rights
 laws   since a person with a disability is equally entitled to access
 goods and services.


 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

>  What?  I'm totally confused at your message here.  What on earth is Wacg 
>  2.0? LOL!  Smile.

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>  - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 
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>  To: 
>  Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 7:43 PM
>  Subject: Re: amazon's accesability contact.
> 
> 
> >  wacg 2.0 is based in keyboard input,  not operating system.  I am told 
> >  by

> >   amazon that I can download using my keyboard, no extra downloader
> >   required.
> >   hopefully your tips will help others, but it will not help 
> >   here...which 
> >  is

> >   why I desire the amazon contact.
> >   thanks,
> >   Kare
> > 
> >   On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Arnold Schmidt wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > >  I know nothing about how accessible it is, I am just passing along 
> > >  what I found. In Windows, one needs the Amazon mp3 downloader to 
> > >  download these files. I googled to find out if there is such a thing 
> > >  for the mac, and apparently there is. Google Amazon mp3 downloader 
> > >  for mac, and if it finds something, install it and see if you can 
> > >  use it. Being so new to the mac, I definitely would not be the one 
> > >  to test this mp3 downloader.
> > > 
> > >   Arnold Schmidt
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone
> > > 
> > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:19 PM, Karen Lewellen 
> > >   wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Hi folks,
> > >   I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name 
> > >  and e-mail.
> > >  I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three 
> > >  files, that I have purchased.
> > >  Amazon seems to be force feeding their library program, which I am 
> > >  told by a supervisor should not be the case.
> > >  Given all the spam coming from their  direction of late, I am likely 
> > >  going to have to get someone else  to log in and get my files as I 
> > >  require them under deadline.
> > >  Still I want to raise the issue with accessibility, because the 
> > >  access page is worse than the rest oft he site.

> > >   ideas?
> > >   Kare
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Mary Otten]

The broader problem is having a separate site for screaming ears at all. I have 
been on that site, not recently. When I was on it, it was very simplistic. It 
didn't offer anything like the full experience. But I didn't see anything that 
required a mouse.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> I suppose I will find out as I sent him a copy of the email I provided the 
> accessibility feedback team.
> Speaking only for myself, I would hope  he took an interest.
> The lack of keyboard interaction, most notably  on the areas defined as being 
> for screen reader use   does not reflect well on his leadership.
> Kare
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>> Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
>> ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
>> him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he 
>> would directly deal with as head of the whole department.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who 
>>> knows.
>>> 
>>> pk...@amazon.com
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
 ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
 locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
 says
 "we are having a problem with your music orders.
 I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
 for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
 Thanks,
 Kare
 
 
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> 
> Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
> downloading music via web interface.
> 
> I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
> pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> 
> As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
> web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
> browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
> and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
> format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
> 
> You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
> Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
> (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
> https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
> 
> Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
> "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
> app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
> files directly."
> 
> For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
> pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
> the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
> computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
> individual .MP3 file.
> 
> To complete your download:
> 
> 1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
> the file(s).
> 
> 2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
> display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
> option to open it.
> 
> 3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
> You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
> preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").
> 
> Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
> select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
> location where you saved your download, then select each track you
> want to add and confirm.
> 
> To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
> https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads
> 
> You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
> to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
> your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
> iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
> including installation instructions, go to:
> https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
>> e-mail.
>> I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

Indeed, there should  be no separate site.  after all access is more than 
about screen readers.  How an individual interacts  is tied to other 
things.the changes to the so called access site are rather new.  I 
agree about the watered down  functionality as well.  Unless this has 
changed you cannot download digital items at all from their /access area, 
which is why the main site must work.
I prefer to feel mr.. Korn takes his over all practices seriously...we shall 
learn I dare say.

Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:


The broader problem is having a separate site for screaming ears at all. I have 
been on that site, not recently. When I was on it, it was very simplistic. It 
didn't offer anything like the full experience. But I didn't see anything that 
required a mouse.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

I suppose I will find out as I sent him a copy of the email I provided the 
accessibility feedback team.
Speaking only for myself, I would hope  he took an interest.
The lack of keyboard interaction, most notably  on the areas defined as being 
for screen reader use   does not reflect well on his leadership.
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, Mary Otten wrote:

Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the excess 
ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that address from 
him personally. That sounds like something that would not be something he would 
directly deal with as head of the whole department.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:

 Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who knows.

pk...@amazon.com

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
says
"we are having a problem with your music orders.
I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
Thanks,
Kare



On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
downloading music via web interface.

I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.

As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
format that compresses content for quicker transfer.

You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
(https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary

Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
"Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
files directly."

For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
individual .MP3 file.

To complete your download:

1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
the file(s).

2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
option to open it.

3. Files typically save to your browser's default "Downloads" folder.
You can then move each of the music tracks you've downloaded to the
preferred location on your computer (e.g. "Your Music" or "Music").

Tip: To add your downloaded music to iTunes, launch the iTunes app and
select "Add File to Library" from the menu. Browse to the file or
location where you saved your download, then select each track you
want to add and confirm.

To learn more about downloading music through your browser, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/help/music/zipdownloads

You can also use the Amazon Music app for PC and Mac to download music
to your computer. With the Amazon Music app, you can play and download
your music library, automatically export your downloaded music to
iTunes or Windows Media Player, and more. For additional  information,
including installation instructions, go to:
https://www.amazon.com/getamazonmusic

From E.T.'s Keyboard...
Are We Alone in the Universe?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com


On 8/16/2016 4:19 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
Hi folks,
I am asking here because I believe someone before shared their name and
e-mail.
I am beyond dismayed that I cannot download the mp3  items, three
files,

Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Douglas Lawlor]

This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 

Doug


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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
>> do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm 
>> not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on 
>> this would be appreciated. 
>> 
>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
>> 
>> Doug
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Jessica Moss]

I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to it, 
they decide something has to be improved.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
>>> do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm 
>>> not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on 
>>> this would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Douglas Lawlor]

And when they think they are improving they end up breaking accessibility. 

Doug


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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
> was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to it, 
> they decide something has to be improved.
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
>> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
>> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
 do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. 
 I'm not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help 
 on this would be appreciated. 
 
 You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
 
 Doug
 
 
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Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[jeff `greene]

Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados  wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard type
> and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber  wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
>>> instlal
>>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
>>> with
>>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
>>> regarding
>>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
>>> key
>>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
>>> the
>>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
>>> colon
>>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
>>> does
>>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
>>> numpad
>>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
>>> any
>>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
>>> get a
>>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
>>> keyboard,
>>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Jessica Moss]

I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do if 
I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from people 
I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I do 
> a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm not 
> sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on this 
> would be appreciated. 
> 
> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
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RE: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve some questions

[Frank Ventura]

Why bother, just use Sharpkeys to map the physical key of your choice to the 
insert key.

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn
Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 10:40 AM
To: macvisionaries 
Subject: Re: I successfully instlal windows on my Mac computer!, but I just hve 
some questions

No, the problem is that when in laptop layout the "JAWS" key is the caps lock 
key and the insert key is no longer associated with the "jaws+functions".  
There might be a "use key for JAWS key" type setting in the settings center 
under the default configuration, or you you could edit default.jkm and change 
all of the "jaws+" to insert+" and then go about your JAWS work. Oh, you only 
want to change these in the region starting with [laptop] and ending with the 
next [].

I won't be using JAWS until later this afternoon, so I can't check the 
specifics. If nobody replies to then I will check into this after I have my 
Windows VM running.

Best Wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

On 16 August 2016 at 08:09, jeff `greene 
> wrote:
Hi Helga and Scott,
Well, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe Jaws doesn't like the
command key as insert, I would try making the ` or \ keys as insert.
I'm going to install jaws 17 tonight on my mac running windows 10
under bootcamp, and I'll play around with it.
Best, Jeff


On 8/15/16, Scott Granados > 
wrote:
> Hi, I have this problem as well.  I do have laptop set under keyboard type
> and still no go with the cursor selection.  Keyboard help doesn’t even
> recognize them but it does other jaws commands.
>
> I’m confused as well.
>
>> On Aug 15, 2016, at 3:47 PM, jeff `greene 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Helga,
>> Go to your jaws window. Go into the menus and I think its under
>> basics, choose your keyboard type as laptop instead of desktop. I
>> think that will do it!
>> Hope this helps! Jeff
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/16, Helga Schreiber 
>> > wrote:
>>> Hi All! This is Helga. How are you all?  As the  subjectline says I
>>> instlal
>>> windows on  my Mac computer. I have  VM ware fusion and I use windows
>>> with
>>> that. And yes on my windows side of my Mac, I have  JAWS on it. It is
>>> working great for me so far. My only problem that I encounter is
>>> regarding
>>> that I can't  do a JAWS Pc cursor and JAWS cursor. I do have  a insert
>>> key
>>> on my Mac ckeyboard.  My friend  help me create an insert key by using
>>> the
>>> sharp keys app. My insert key works, but when I do insert key and semi
>>> colon
>>> to to perform JAWS PC cursor and insert key and P for JAWS cursor it
>>> does
>>> not work. I really don't know what should I do about it.  On my other
>>> windows computer, I use a numpad keys, and in here I don't have a
>>> numpad
>>> keys. It  works great, except the things I told you. Do you guys? have
>>> any
>>> suggestion? I will really appreciate it a  lot! I really don't want to
>>> get a
>>> full keyboard to take  around. Perhaps a numpad. Or do you think
>>> uninstalling JAWS and reinstalling   it will do the trick? Just
>>> wondering. I
>>> found some commands about JaWS in order to use it with the laptop
>>> keyboard,
>>> and  I  do want to perform them but my insert key is not cooperating!
>>> LOL
>>> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Douglas Lawlor]

Hello Jessica
I just figured out how to do this. 

1. In the FaceBook app Double tap the "Search Facebook" at the top of the 
screen below the status bar. 
2. Type your text in the edit box. 
3. After a few seconds swipe right and you should see results. 
4. If you press the search button on the on screen keyboard you will get a new 
screen containing results. 
5. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of these. 
The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 

How to Do this with a keyboard. 

1. In the Facebook app Press Control + UpArrow to go to the top of the screen. 
2. Press Up + Down Arrow to activate the search FaceBook item. 
3. You should hear something like "Edit Text Field, QuickNav off, Search 
FaceBook". 
4. QuickNav is not off so press Left + Right Arrow to turn it off again. 
5. Enter your search text and turn QuickNav back on. 
6. Wait a second or two then navigate right and you should see search results. 
7. If you press the enter key after typing your text you will get a new screen. 
8. Towards the top of this screen you will see the different items you can 
select such as people, places, photos, pages, etc. Do not tap on any of these. 
The search results containing text are below and can be accessed. 

Doug

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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:49 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I know, I wish they’d stop changing it so much, and just leave it the way it 
> was.  It used to be easy as ever to use and as soon as we all get used to it, 
> they decide something has to be improved.
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
>> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
>> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
 On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
 
 
 Hello all,
 
 Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
 do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. 
 I'm not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help 
 on this would be appreciated. 
 
 You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
 
 Doug
 
 
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Re: Easy way to search FaceBook on iOS? Is there a way?

[Dora Speck]

Go to the search field type in what you're looking for. Without going out of 
the text field swipe right until you hear the name of the group you're looking 
for and then double tap. Once you get into that group you are looking for, do a 
join request. Do not hit the search button, just stay with in the text field. I 
found this helps.

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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
> 
> 
> This really diminishes the use of the service. I was looking for a group I'm 
> interested in and all I'm seeing are a bunch of add friends and join groups. 
> Regarding their web site, I have never seen a site so complicated to use. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I don’t know that there is one; I’ve tried that as well, and when someone’s 
>> name pops up, it just says “add friend,” which I obviously don’t want to do 
>> if I don’t know who they are, and I get tons of friend requests myself from 
>> people I have no idea who they are so 99.9% of them don’t get accepted.
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Lawlor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Is there an accessible way to search FaceBook in their app for iOS? When I 
>>> do a search I cannot see any results even though results are displayed. I'm 
>>> not sure if Pictures are displayed instead of names or what. Any help on 
>>> this would be appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> You would think after all this time they would have things like this fixed!
>>> 
>>> Doug
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Mary Otten]

No. Peter corn has been doing accessibility for a very long time. He certainly 
is familiar with the guidelines and the nuts and the bolts. But he is not going 
nor should we expect him to answer everyone's complaint. They certainly should 
have people further down the line from Peter corn who can deal with consumer 
complaints. If they don't, they need to hire more people. This would be like 
writing to some executive at apple and expecting them to deal with your 
specific complaint about a voiceover bug.
Mary


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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:18 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>   No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... If this 
> upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not 
> obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from those 
> these efforts is supposedly aimed at?
> 
> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>> On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability 
>> initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as a 
>> general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in the 
>> habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just based 
>> on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter corn at 
>> that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an answer, don't 
>> be surprised.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary,
>>>  Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is not 
>>> the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
>>> 
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> 
 On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the 
 excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that 
 address from him personally. That sounds like something that would not be 
 something he would directly deal with as head of the whole department.
 Mary
 
 
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> On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
> Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, who 
> knows.
> 
> pk...@amazon.com
> 
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> 
>> On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital orders, and
>> locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error that
>> says
>> "we are having a problem with your music orders.
>> I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my question is
>> for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
>> Thanks,
>> Kare
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about
>>> downloading music via web interface.
>>> 
>>> I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am
>>> pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
>>> 
>>> As an alternative, you can download your music directly through your
>>> web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely redesigned web
>>> browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download albums
>>> and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a file
>>> format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
>>> 
>>> You can download music through your browser after completing a Digital
>>> Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
>>> (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
>>> https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
>>> 
>>> Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click the
>>> "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon Music
>>> app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download music
>>> files directly."
>>> 
>>> For multiple songs and albums, your download starts automatically in a
>>> pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can click
>>> the files in the download window once they're ready to save to your
>>> computer. If you've only selected one song, it downloads as an
>>> individual .MP3 file.
>>> 
>>> To complete your download:
>>> 
>>> 1. Choose "Save" if your browser asks whether you want to open or save
>>> the file(s).
>>> 
>>> 2. Open the file(s) once the download is complete. Most browsers
>>> display the status of your download onscreen, and then give you an
>>> option to open it.
>>> 
>>> 3. Files typically save to your browser's 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
Sometimes  management  leads with their  own experience of a disability, 
instead  of recognizing  that  inclusion refers to the floor not the person 
using  the floor.
One does not find a different  Walmart for those arriving  in a van   then 
say those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different amazon for 
those   who prefer less clutter when they shop.
 Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as 
being in  charge of accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability 
with a  demo.
I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes 
inclusion  seriously.  given it is far easier for them to be sued  in some 
countries where they do business over access than stateside, I intend 
believing they sincere until I learn otherwise.
applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so I 
personally feel.

Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

  No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... If 
this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not 
obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from those 
these efforts is supposedly aimed at?


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On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

 I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
 initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as
 a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in
 the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just
 based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter
 corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
 answer, don't be surprised.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> 
>  Mary,
>Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is 
>not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
> >  On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> >  Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the 
> >  excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from that 
> >  address from him personally. That sounds like something that would not 
> >  be something he would directly deal with as head of the whole 
> >  department.

> >  Mary
> > 
> > 
> >  Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service now, 
> > >   who knows.
> > > 
> > >  pk...@amazon.com
> > > 
> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

> > >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > 
> > > >  On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > >  ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital 
> > > >  orders, and
> > > >  locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error 
> > > >  that

> > > >  says
> > > >  "we are having a problem with your music orders.
> > > >  I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my 
> > > >  question is

> > > >  for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
> > > >  Thanks,
> > > >  Kare
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year about

> > > > >  downloading music via web interface.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a while. I am

> > > > >  pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  As an alternative, you can download your music directly through 
> > > > >  your
> > > > >  web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely 
> > > > >  redesigned web
> > > > >  browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download 
> > > > >  albums
> > > > >  and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a 
> > > > >  file

> > > > >  format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
> > > > > 
> > > > >  You can download music through your browser after completing a 
> > > > >  Digital

> > > > >  Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
> > > > >  (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music library
> > > > >  https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Just select the albums or songs you want to download and click 
> > > > >  the
> > > > >  "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the Amazon 
> > > > >  Music
> > > > >  app for PC and Mac, you can click "No thanks, just download 
> > > > >  music

> > > > >  files directly."
> > > > > 
> > > > >  For multiple songs and albums, your download starts 
> > > > >  automatically in a
> > > > >  pop-up window, and is split into one or more .ZIP files. You can 
> > > > >  click
> > > > > 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[E.T.]

   It starts with the first step. But was that not already taken a long 
time ago?


   The W3C guidelines, are they just that? Or have they been adopted 
and agreed upon? Is there any legal teeth in then?


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On 8/16/2016 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
Sometimes  management  leads with their  own experience of a disability,
instead  of recognizing  that  inclusion refers to the floor not the
person using  the floor.
One does not find a different  Walmart for those arriving  in a van
then say those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different
amazon for those   who prefer less clutter when they shop.
 Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as being in  charge of
accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability with a  demo.
I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes
inclusion  seriously.  given it is far easier for them to be sued  in
some countries where they do business over access than stateside, I
intend believing they sincere until I learn otherwise.
applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so
I personally feel.
Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:


  No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit...
If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then
is it not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need
to hear from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?

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 Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

 I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
 initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know
just as
 a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in
 the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis,
just
 based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to
Peter
 corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
 answer, don't be surprised.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

>  On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
> >  Mary,
>Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter
Korn is >not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > >  On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> >  Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter
corn, the > >  excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a
reply from that > >  address from him personally. That sounds like
something that would not > >  be something he would directly deal
with as head of the whole > >  department.
> >  Mary
> > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.
 wrote:
> > > > > >   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of
service now, > > >   who knows.
> > > > > >  pk...@amazon.com
> > > > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > > > >  On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > >  ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital
> > > >  orders, and
> > > >  locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an
error > > > >  that
> > > >  says
> > > >  "we are having a problem with your music orders.
> > > >  I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my
> > > >  question is
> > > >  for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
> > > >  Thanks,
> > > >  Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >  Mark Taylor posted some information probably
last year about
> > > > >  downloading music via web interface.
> > > > > > > > > >  I have not done this as I have not bought music
in a while. I am
> > > > >  pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> > > > > > > > > >  As an alternative, you can download your music
directly through > > > > >  your
> > > > >  web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely >
> > > >  redesigned web
> > > > >  browser downloading. It now gives you the option to
download > > > > >  albums
> > > > >  and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP
is a > > > > >  file
> > > > >  format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
> > > > > > > > > >  You can download music through your browser
after completing a > > > > >  Digital
> > > > >  Music Store purchase, from Your Orders
> > > > >  (https://www.amazon.com/yourorders), and from your music
library
> > > > >  https://www.amazon.com/musiclibrary
> > > > > > > > > >  Just select the albums or songs you want to
download and click > > > > >  the
> > > > >  "Download" option onscreen. If prompted to install the
Amazon > > > > >  Music
> > > > >  app for PC and Mac, you can click "No 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Karen Lewellen]

As I said before yes.  the guidelines are incorporated into legal 
requirements  in many countries.
My swift google of MR. Korne  reveals  he is rather strong  in the 
creation  of tools...worked on outspoken,  with some  Linux structures as 
well.He may be surprised to learn himself of the problems.

Kare


On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

  It starts with the first step. But was that not already taken a long time 
ago?


  The W3C guidelines, are they just that? Or have they been adopted and 
agreed upon? Is there any legal teeth in then?


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 Are We Alone in the Universe?
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On 8/16/2016 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

 Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
 Sometimes  management  leads with their  own experience of a disability,
 instead  of recognizing  that  inclusion refers to the floor not the
 person using  the floor.
 One does not find a different  Walmart for those arriving  in a van
 then say those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different
 amazon for those   who prefer less clutter when they shop.
 Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as being in  charge of
 accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability with a  demo.
 I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes
 inclusion  seriously.  given it is far easier for them to be sued  in
 some countries where they do business over access than stateside, I
 intend believing they sincere until I learn otherwise.
 applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so
 I personally feel.
 Kare


 On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:

>No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit...
>  If this upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then
>  is it not obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need
>  to hear from those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?
> 
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard...

>  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> 
>  On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> >   I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
> >   initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know
> >  just as
> >   a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not 
> >   in

> >   the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis,
> >  just
> >  based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to
> >  Peter
> >   corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
> >   answer, don't be surprised.
> >   Mary
> > 
> > 
> >   Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > >   On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  
> > >   wrote:

> > > >   Mary,
> > > Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter
> >  Korn is >not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
> > > >   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > >   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > >   On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> > > >   Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter
> >  corn, the > >  excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a
> >  reply from that > >  address from him personally. That sounds like
> >  something that would not > >  be something he would directly deal
> >  with as head of the whole > >  department.
> > > >   Mary
> > > > > > > >   Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >   On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.
> >   wrote:
> > > > > > > >Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of
> >  service now, > > >   who knows.
> > > > > > > >   pk...@amazon.com
> > > > > > > >   From E.T.'s Keyboard...
> > > > >   Are We Alone in the Universe?
> > > > >   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
> > > > > > > > >   On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > > > > >   ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital
> > > > > >   orders, and
> > > > > >   locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an
> > error > > > >   that
> > > > > >   says
> > > > > >   "we are having a problem with your music orders.
> > > > > >   I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my
> > > > > >   question is
> > > > > >   for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
> > > > > >   Thanks,
> > > > > >   Kare
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >   Mark Taylor posted some information probably
> >  last year about
> > > > > > >   downloading music via web interface.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   I have not done this as I have not bought music
> >  in a while. I am
> > > > > > >   pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
> > > > > > > > > > > >   As an alternative, you can download your music
> >  directly through > > > > >  your
> > > > > > >   web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely >
> > > > > >   redesigned web
> > > > > > >   browser downloading. It now gives 

Re: amazon's accesability contact.

[Mary Otten]

Peter corn is a guy with decades of experience in the excess ability field. He 
is not some guy with a disability that some company put front and center just 
to make something look good.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:
> 
> Honestly that depends on Mr. Korn's personal background.
> Sometimes  management  leads with their  own experience of a disability, 
> instead  of recognizing  that  inclusion refers to the floor not the person 
> using  the floor.
> One does not find a different  Walmart for those arriving  in a van   then 
> say those on a skateboard, so one should not have a different amazon for 
> those   who prefer less clutter when they shop.
> Sometimes, as with say paypal, the person listed as being in  charge of 
> accessibility seemingly gets paid to pretend a disability with a  demo.
> I have an email from an amazon supervisor stating that the company takes 
> inclusion  seriously.  given it is far easier for them to be sued  in some 
> countries where they do business over access than stateside, I intend 
> believing they sincere until I learn otherwise.
> applying a generalized expectation sometimes leads to poor results or so I 
> personally feel.
> Kare
> 
> 
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>> 
>>  No offense on the "excess ability wording so to play on it a bit... If this 
>> upper management is supposed to deal with accessibility, then is it not 
>> obvious they do not know the nuts and bolts thus they need to hear from 
>> those these efforts is supposedly aimed at?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Are We Alone in the Universe?
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 8/16/2016 9:13 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> I know for a fact that Peter corn is the head of the excess ability
>>> initiative and Amazon. I don't know who to take it too. I do know just as
>>> a general rule the people who are in charge of large efforts are not in
>>> the habit of answering nuts and bolts? This on an individual basis, just
>>> based on the fact that they are upper management. So, sure. Right to Peter
>>> corn at that address, assuming it is correct. But if you don't get an
>>> answer, don't be surprised.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 9:02 PM, E.T.  wrote:
>>> > >  Mary,
>>> >Do you know this for a fact or are you speculating? If Peter Korn is > 
>>> >not the one to take it to, then who or what or where?
>>> > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> > > >  On 8/16/2016 8:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> > >  Given the fact that the email address you have is for Peter corn, the 
>>> > > > >  excess ability head guy at Amazon, I wouldn't expect a reply from 
>>> > > that > >  address from him personally. That sounds like something that 
>>> > > would not > >  be something he would directly deal with as head of the 
>>> > > whole > >  department.
>>> > >  Mary
>>> > > > > > >  Sent from my iPhone
>>> > > > > >  On Aug 16, 2016, at 7:01 PM, E.T.  
>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > > > >   Well. This was shared some time ago so may be out of service 
>>> > > > > > > now, > > >   who knows.
>>> > > > > > >  pk...@amazon.com
>>> > > > > > >  From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>> > > >  Are We Alone in the Universe?
>>> > > >  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> > > > > > > >  On 8/16/2016 6:51 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> > > > >  ...and when I go to the your orders page and choose digital > > > 
>>> > > > > >  orders, and
>>> > > > >  locate my items, and choose download your music...I reach an error 
>>> > > > > > > > >  that
>>> > > > >  says
>>> > > > >  "we are having a problem with your music orders.
>>> > > > >  I spent 2.5 hours with Amazon on the issue...which is why my > > > 
>>> > > > > >  question is
>>> > > > >  for  a direct accessibility contact, not instructions.
>>> > > > >  Thanks,
>>> > > > >  Kare
>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  On Tue, 16 Aug 2016, E.T. wrote:
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  Mark Taylor posted some information probably last year 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > about
>>> > > > > >  downloading music via web interface.
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  I have not done this as I have not bought music in a 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > while. I am
>>> > > > > >  pasting below the information Amazon sent to Mark.
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  As an alternative, you can download your music 
>>> > > > > > > > > > > directly through > > > > >  your
>>> > > > > >  web browser. To help make this easier, we've completely > > > > 
>>> > > > > > >  redesigned web
>>> > > > > >  browser downloading. It now gives you the option to download > > 
>>> > > > > > > > >  albums
>>> > > > > >  and multiple tracks at the same time using .ZIP files. ZIP is a 
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  file
>>> > > > > >  format that compresses content for quicker transfer.
>>> > > > > > > > > > >  You can download music through your