Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi Jeff!
The smartlock you’re using, does it has nfc or is it  only remote controlled?
I would like to have something that would unlock when you put your device 
(iphone or google ) against it.
/A

> 25 nov. 2018 kl. 17:57 skrev Jeff Berwick :
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google Home. 
>  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
> 
> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
> 
> temperature,
> humidity,
> motion,
> sound and,
> light.
> 
> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you can 
> monitor through the iHome Control app.
> 
> More information at:
> 
> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>  
> 
> 
> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
> of them accessible.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff,
>> 
>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
>> all controllable by Siri?
>> 
>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
>>> have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
>>> have an August Smart Lock.
>>> 
>>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>>> 
>>> Tia,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
 Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
 that you particularly like?
 TIA,
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Jeff Berwick]

I do not believe it has NFC, but it does work with both Google Home and Home 
Kit and can unlock your door on approach.  You can also allow other people 
access to the lock if need be and I purchased a keypad to go with it which can 
be placed outside.  In this scenario, you can give people a four digit code for 
them to enter your house.

Hth,
Jeff


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff!
> The smartlock you’re using, does it has nfc or is it  only remote controlled?
> I would like to have something that would unlock when you put your device 
> (iphone or google ) against it.
> /A
> 
>> 25 nov. 2018 kl. 17:57 skrev Jeff Berwick > >:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>> 
>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
>> 
>> temperature,
>> humidity,
>> motion,
>> sound and,
>> light.
>> 
>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
>> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>> 
>> More information at:
>> 
>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
>> of them accessible.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are they 
>>> all controllable by Siri?
>>> 
>>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick >>> > wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I also 
 have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off and I 
 have an August Smart Lock.
 
 I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
 
 Tia,
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
> that you particularly like?
> TIA,
> Donna
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Team viewer or what can we use?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi all:

One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app to be 
able to help him from my Home.
I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
connecting.
so, is there any other alternatives?

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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[John JD Denning]

It is cool that we can do that. But I see it only as a workaround. I don’t 
really care to use the Google assistant. Though creating the Siri shortcut it’s 
seamless from my end.

I did add all my devices to the Google assistant since they all work with just 
about every platform out there. But I prefer using Siri. So the nest is the 
only thing that I have to do this way. And it does work well.
It’s rather easy to set up. First you have to set up your Google assistant app 
on your iPhone. Then use it to do various functions with your nest. After you 
do them once then they will be in your Siri shortcuts suggestions. So then all 
you do who is at a phrase and you’re done.

So for example are use the Google assistant to set my nest thermostat to 70°. 
Then I went to settings for Siri and under the suggested shortcuts was set the 
thermostat to 70°. So I added the key phrase, and now all I have to do is tell 
Siri to set my thermostat to 70°. It launch is the assistant app and tells it 
to do it. So it can only be done from the phone since it needs to launch the 
Google assistant app.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, wow, that's super cool!  How did you do it?  I've never used Google 
> Assistant IOS app.  Do you use it for anything besides controlling the nest?
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:33 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
>> integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. And 
>> they work very well.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I will 
>>> say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new furnace 
>>> that was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff mentioned 
>>> also gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it through a 
>>> separate app - I'd really like to just run everything through home kit.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning  
 wrote:
 
 Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
 HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
 considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit 
 and Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
 
 I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to 
 turn them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on certain 
 lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And all 
 controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was easy 
 to set up.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any of 
> these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd like to 
> have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking at the 
> Ecobee3.
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>> 
>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such 
>> as:
>> 
>> temperature,
>> humidity,
>> motion,
>> sound and,
>> light.
>> 
>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but 
>> you can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>> 
>> More information at:
>> 
>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>> 
>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find 
>> all of them accessible.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff,
>>> 
>>> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
>>> they all controllable by Siri?
>>> 
>>> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
 also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and 
 off and I have an August Smart Lock.
 
 I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
 
 Tia,
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM

2 iPad 6th generations for sell, in perfect condition

['Kliphton Miller' via MacVisionaries]

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> with the 2018 MacMini instead of using this for my computing needs.  One of 
> them has a slim folio keyboard that puts the iPad in land scape viewing mode 
> to type, although I could sell the keyboard separately.  Asking for the 
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Violin Tuning App

[Todor Fassl]

Perhaps this is a long shot but I was hoping to get a recommendation on 
a violin tuning app. I have an iPhone and an iBook Pro so either IOS or 
MacOs recommendations will work.


What I am hoping for is an app that uses the microphone to listen to the 
note I am playing and tells me whether it is too high or too low. Tha's 
the big challenge for an amateur like myself.



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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Anne Robertson]

I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on the 
slave computer.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.

I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my early
2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
keymappings.

Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
inch less.

Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?

If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.

I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.


My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
OS X via Virtualbox.

hth

Janina

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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hello,

Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess that 
changed the scenario completely.

So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no Flash 
Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.




Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> 
> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> early
> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> keymappings.
> 
> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> inch less.
> 
> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> 
> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> 
> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> 
> 
> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> OS X via Virtualbox.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
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>> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
>> latest OS Mojave.
>> I have a few questions.
>> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
>> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
>> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should I 
>> have eyes present.
>> Thanks for any assistance.
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Bluetooth Keyboard Commands

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   Recently I got the Logitech K780 keyboard and have been playing with 
it on my iDevices.


   First, is there an up to date list of keyboard commands for iOS?

   Second, the commands for invoking the control center and 
notification center is option up and down respectively, after putting 
focus on the status bar. They do not work. The commands for the Apple 
wireless keyboard are fn-VO-up and down also do not work on the Logitech.


   Anyone seen this? All the other commands that I tried do work, The 
equivalent commands for a braille display work fine. Input please. Thanks.


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Re: Selecting photos to add to an album?

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

On Mac or iOS?

Later...

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:11, Chris Moore  wrote:

Hello,
I need to select some photos to add to an album.  Is there a way to do this 
with VO?

Chris

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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
Here's just one such:

https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/

And, here's another:

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html


Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
side of things with the booting process.

So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
your Mac?

Janina

'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> hello,
> 
> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess that 
> changed the scenario completely.
> 
> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> > to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> > 
> > I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> > early
> > 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> > graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> > keymappings.
> > 
> > Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> > sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> > inch less.
> > 
> > Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> > 
> > If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> > main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> > will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> > chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> > may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> > generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> > notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> > for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> > 
> > I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> > three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> > 
> > 
> > My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> > OS X via Virtualbox.
> > 
> > hth
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> Hello,
> >> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
> >> latest OS Mojave.
> >> I have a few questions.
> >> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
> >> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
> >> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should 
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Re: Violin Tuning App

[Eileen Scrivani]

I use an app that I launch by saying “launch Talking Tuner”. I would search for 
Talking Tuner in the app store. And, if that doesn’t work when you search the 
app store, try “Hot Paw talking tuner.” Sorry, it was my husband who originally 
purchased the app so I’m a bit uncertain of the exact name for purchasing it. 

It has the exact features you mention. It will state the note name sharp &/or 
flat and will tell how much it is off by in a percentage. It will also tell you 
when you’re dead on the note.

Good luck.

Eileen


From: Todor Fassl 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:32 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Violin Tuning App

Perhaps this is a long shot but I was hoping to get a recommendation on 
a violin tuning app. I have an iPhone and an iBook Pro so either IOS or 
MacOs recommendations will work.

What I am hoping for is an app that uses the microphone to listen to the 
note I am playing and tells me whether it is too high or too low. Tha's 
the big challenge for an amateur like myself.


-- 
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

Hello,
Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says to 
use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I know 
that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on my SSD.
So my questions are these.
1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
same as the usb stick.
Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
purchase windows.
Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 2014 
model year.



Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
> any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
> various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
> Here's just one such:
> 
> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
> 
> And, here's another:
> 
> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
> 
> 
> Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
> side of things with the booting process.
> 
> So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
> your Mac?
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> hello,
>> 
>> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
>> that changed the scenario completely.
>> 
>> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
>> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
>>> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
>>> 
>>> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
>>> early
>>> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
>>> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
>>> keymappings.
>>> 
>>> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
>>> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
>>> inch less.
>>> 
>>> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
>>> 
>>> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
>>> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
>>> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
>>> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
>>> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
>>> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
>>> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
>>> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
>>> 
>>> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
>>> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
>>> OS X via Virtualbox.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
 Hello,
 I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
 latest OS Mojave.
 I have a few questions.
 Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
 How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
 At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or should 
 I have eyes present.
 Thanks for any assistance.
 
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Commands

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

hi,

Probably your most up-to-date resource would be the Apple Books version of 
iPhone or iPad User's Guide for iOS 12.1.  I don't have your model of keyboard, 
only an Apple wireless keyboard or the special keyboard thing on my iPad Pro.  
For me, the FN-VO-up/down will open the Notification and Control Centres, as 
well as the Option-up/down while in the Status bar.  I do know that some third 
party keyboards don't sync as nice as others.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 26, 2018, at 08:56, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

  Recently I got the Logitech K780 keyboard and have been playing with it on my 
iDevices.

  First, is there an up to date list of keyboard commands for iOS?

  Second, the commands for invoking the control center and notification center 
is option up and down respectively, after putting focus on the status bar. They 
do not work. The commands for the Apple wireless keyboard are fn-VO-up and down 
also do not work on the Logitech.

  Anyone seen this? All the other commands that I tried do work, The equivalent 
commands for a braille display work fine. Input please. Thanks.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Hi:

i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even his 
Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i should do?


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on the 
> slave computer.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
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>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app to 
>> be able to help him from my Home.
>> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
>> connecting.
>> so, is there any other alternatives?
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Anne Robertson]

Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
Cheers,

Anne




> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even his 
> Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i should do?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
>> the slave computer.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
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>>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app to 
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, will give it a try, 
just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his computer, is 
it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
> You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi:
>> 
>> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
>> his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
>> should do?
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
>>> the slave computer.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 
 Hi all:
 
 One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app to 
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 I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries]

Sorry I took your questions in a direction you'd not intended.

Can you install from USB? Certainly. USB won't care whether you attach a
stick or a mechanical drive.


How long can you use it without paying up? I've no idea. Microsoft.com
will have the answer somewhere, though. And, maybe someone else just
knows.

Can you use Narrator for the install? Absolutely. Check out this podcast
which has been pointed to in the past on this list. It's a very helpful
guide:

https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-a-mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/

Good luck!

Janina

'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> Hello,
> Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
> I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says 
> to use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I 
> know that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on my 
> SSD.
> So my questions are these.
> 1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
> same as the usb stick.
> Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
> purchase windows.
> Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 
> 2014 model year.
> 
> 
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> > On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
> > any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
> > various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
> > Here's just one such:
> > 
> > https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
> > 
> > And, here's another:
> > 
> > http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
> > 
> > 
> > Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
> > side of things with the booting process.
> > 
> > So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
> > your Mac?
> > 
> > Janina
> > 
> > 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
> >> hello,
> >> 
> >> Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
> >> that changed the scenario completely.
> >> 
> >> So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
> >> Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Dan
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> >>> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> >>> 
> >>> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> >>> early
> >>> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> >>> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> >>> keymappings.
> >>> 
> >>> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> >>> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> >>> inch less.
> >>> 
> >>> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> >>> 
> >>> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> >>> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> >>> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> >>> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> >>> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> >>> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> >>> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> >>> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> >>> 
> >>> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> >>> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> >>> OS X via Virtualbox.
> >>> 
> >>> hth
> >>> 
> >>> Janina
> >>> 
> >>> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
>  Hello,
>  I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
>  latest OS Mojave.
>  I have a few questions.
>  Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
>  How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
>  At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or 
>  should I have eyes present.
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Is this device hard to set up?
Thanks.
/A

> 26 nov. 2018 kl. 14:40 skrev Jeff Berwick :
> 
> I do not believe it has NFC, but it does work with both Google Home and Home 
> Kit and can unlock your door on approach.  You can also allow other people 
> access to the lock if need be and I purchased a keypad to go with it which 
> can be placed outside.  In this scenario, you can give people a four digit 
> code for them to enter your house.
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Anders Holmberg > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jeff!
>> The smartlock you’re using, does it has nfc or is it  only remote controlled?
>> I would like to have something that would unlock when you put your device 
>> (iphone or google ) against it.
>> /A
>> 
>>> 25 nov. 2018 kl. 17:57 skrev Jeff Berwick >> >:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>>> 
>>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
>>> 
>>> temperature,
>>> humidity,
>>> motion,
>>> sound and,
>>> light.
>>> 
>>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
>>> can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>>> 
>>> More information at:
>>> 
>>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find all 
>>> of them accessible.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Jeff,
 
 thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
 they all controllable by Siri?
 
 Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
> also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off 
> and I have an August Smart Lock.
> 
> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
> 
> Tia,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>> > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
>> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
>> that you particularly like?
>> TIA,
>> Donna
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[Jeff Berwick]

No, not at all.

I thought it might be hard to install, when I looked in the box, but it was 
actually really simple.  I had the help of my 14 year old and we installed it 
ourselves.  Basically, you take the thumb knob  off the inside of the door and 
then attached the August lock.  The app walks you through the setup process.

There is a bridge that you plug into a nearby outlet and there is another small 
device that you just stick near the latch of the door—this helps to identify 
whether the door is open or closed.

I had some connection issues at first and their support staff were good over 
the telephone.

Jeff


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Is this device hard to set up?
> Thanks.
> /A
> 
>> 26 nov. 2018 kl. 14:40 skrev Jeff Berwick > >:
>> 
>> I do not believe it has NFC, but it does work with both Google Home and Home 
>> Kit and can unlock your door on approach.  You can also allow other people 
>> access to the lock if need be and I purchased a keypad to go with it which 
>> can be placed outside.  In this scenario, you can give people a four digit 
>> code for them to enter your house.
>> 
>> Hth,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Anders Holmberg >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jeff!
>>> The smartlock you’re using, does it has nfc or is it  only remote 
>>> controlled?
>>> I would like to have something that would unlock when you put your device 
>>> (iphone or google ) against it.
>>> /A
>>> 
 25 nov. 2018 kl. 17:57 skrev Jeff Berwick >>> >:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
 Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
 
 The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such as:
 
 temperature,
 humidity,
 motion,
 sound and,
 light.
 
 Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but you 
 can monitor through the iHome Control app.
 
 More information at:
 
 https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
  
 
 
 I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue and Home for my needs and find 
 all of them accessible.
 
 Jeff
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:52 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> thanks for this.  These are some of the devices I am considering.  Are 
> they all controllable by Siri?
> 
> Also, what is an iHome ISS 50?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeff Berwick > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Donna,
>> 
>> I am using a bunch of Philips Hue lights which work with a bridge.  I 
>> also have several iHome Smart plugs that I use to turn things on and off 
>> and I have an August Smart Lock.
>> 
>> I’m hoping to get an iHome ISS50 5 in 1 sensor for Christmas.
>> 
>> Tia,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:39 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I've become curious about using Apple home kit more in our house.  
>>> Wondering what devices/appliances list members are using with home kit 
>>> that you particularly like?
>>> TIA,
>>> Donna
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Big savings today on the instant pot Wi-Fi for US customers of Amazon

[Mary Otten]

I just saw an article which mentions that the new Insta pot WiFi model is going 
for $89 and some on Amazon in the US. This is the one that has the less than 
fully accessible Wi-Fi app which may or may not be made accessible. The buttons 
on the unit itself are apparently accessible. So if you are interested in this 
device, and have some faith that they will clean up their act accessibility 
wise, this is a huge savings. I don’t know if it’s available in Canada. The 
article did not say.
Mary


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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

Hi John,

I don't seem to be having the same luck.  I logged into next, and it said I was 
connected, but when I tell Google Assistant to set the temperature, nothing 
happens, or I should say, I'm prompted to watch Youtube videos about connecting 
to a nest thermostat.  Our nest is about six years old, it's a 3rd gen I 
think,.  Do you know if we need a newer unit for this to work?  If so, I'll 
probably just get the Eco, since it works with Siri.
Cheers,
Donna


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:19 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> It is cool that we can do that. But I see it only as a workaround. I don’t 
> really care to use the Google assistant. Though creating the Siri shortcut 
> it’s seamless from my end.
> 
> I did add all my devices to the Google assistant since they all work with 
> just about every platform out there. But I prefer using Siri. So the nest is 
> the only thing that I have to do this way. And it does work well.
> It’s rather easy to set up. First you have to set up your Google assistant 
> app on your iPhone. Then use it to do various functions with your nest. After 
> you do them once then they will be in your Siri shortcuts suggestions. So 
> then all you do who is at a phrase and you’re done.
> 
> So for example are use the Google assistant to set my nest thermostat to 70°. 
> Then I went to settings for Siri and under the suggested shortcuts was set 
> the thermostat to 70°. So I added the key phrase, and now all I have to do is 
> tell Siri to set my thermostat to 70°. It launch is the assistant app and 
> tells it to do it. So it can only be done from the phone since it needs to 
> launch the Google assistant app.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Oh, wow, that's super cool!  How did you do it?  I've never used Google 
>> Assistant IOS app.  Do you use it for anything besides controlling the nest?
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:33 PM, John JD Denning >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
>>> integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. And 
>>> they work very well.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I 
 will say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new 
 furnace that was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff 
 mentioned also gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it 
 through a separate app - I'd really like to just run everything through 
 home kit.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning  > wrote:
> 
> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
> HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
> considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit 
> and Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
> 
> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to 
> turn them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on 
> certain lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. And 
> all controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And everything was 
> easy to set up.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any 
>> of these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd 
>> like to have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently looking 
>> at the Ecobee3.
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> 
>>> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with Google 
>>> Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross compatibility.
>>> 
>>> The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such 
>>> as:
>>> 
>>> temperature,
>>> humidity,
>>> motion,
>>> sound and,
>>> light.
>>> 
>>> Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but 
>>> you can monitor through the iHome Control app.
>>> 
>>> More information at:
>>> 
>>> https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
>>>  
>>> 

Re: Big savings today on the instant pot Wi-Fi for US customers of Amazon

[Des Delgadillo]

What a deal! Would you be able to share a link to where you found this? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I just saw an article which mentions that the new Insta pot WiFi model is 
> going for $89 and some on Amazon in the US. This is the one that has the less 
> than fully accessible Wi-Fi app which may or may not be made accessible. The 
> buttons on the unit itself are apparently accessible. So if you are 
> interested in this device, and have some faith that they will clean up their 
> act accessibility wise, this is a huge savings. I don’t know if it’s 
> available in Canada. The article did not say.
> Mary
> 
> 
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Re: Thinking about running windows 10 on my MBP but first a few questions

['Dan' via MacVisionaries]

hello,

Thanks a bunch. Sure do appreciate the input.

 


Dan


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 9:44 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sorry I took your questions in a direction you'd not intended.
> 
> Can you install from USB? Certainly. USB won't care whether you attach a
> stick or a mechanical drive.
> 
> 
> How long can you use it without paying up? I've no idea. Microsoft.com
> will have the answer somewhere, though. And, maybe someone else just
> knows.
> 
> Can you use Narrator for the install? Absolutely. Check out this podcast
> which has been pointed to in the past on this list. It's a very helpful
> guide:
> 
> https://iaccessibility.net/iacast-democast-14-installing-windows-on-a-mac-accessibly-with-bootcamp/
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hello,
>> Ok, let me start over. I guess I really confused the situation.
>> I wish to install windows 10 on my mid 2014 MBP. In the instructions it says 
>> to use a usb 2.0 32 gb drive. This is for all the installation stuff. Yes, I 
>> know that bootcamp puts the actuall windows installation on a partition on 
>> my SSD.
>> So my questions are these.
>> 1. instead of a 2.0 usb stick can I use an external usb hard drive to do the 
>> same as the usb stick.
>> Also, how long can I run windows 10 without a product key before deciding to 
>> purchase windows.
>> Hope I untangled my questions regarding installing windows 10 on a MBP mid 
>> 2014 model year.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:18 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> So, I don't believe Bootcamp requires you put your Windows partition in
>>> any particular location. It's quite easy to find this topic discussed in
>>> various postings on the net. Try searching with the Google machine.
>>> Here's just one such:
>>> 
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2017/08/31/how-windows-10-mac-boot-camp-external-drive-video/
>>> 
>>> And, here's another:
>>> 
>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2952697/bootcamp-external-hard-drive.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bottom line is you can, but you have some additional work on the Windows
>>> side of things with the booting process.
>>> 
>>> So, given that, may I ask why you don't want to use the internal disk on
>>> your Mac?
>>> 
>>> Janina
>>> 
>>> 'Dan' via MacVisionaries writes:
 hello,
 
 Oh my goodness, I forgot to mention, I'm going to use Boot Camp. I guess 
 that changed the scenario completely.
 
 So again my question about whether not I can bypass using at to point no 
 Flash Dr. and instead using a next ternal hard drive.
 
 
 
 
 Dan
 
 
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:01 AM, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> You've got a USB 3 port on that machine, no? I should think you'd prefer
> to use that with at least a 128 Gb USB 3 stick.
> 
> I can tell you I'm running Linux using a 256 GB Sandisk USB 3 stick on my 
> early
> 2014 Airbook. It's working quite well--though I'm not using the Linux
> graphical desktop mainly because I don't have a good reference of
> keymappings.
> 
> Best of all the stick doesn't stick out of the case very far. In fact it
> sticks out less far than the Apple power connector, by about a quarter
> inch less.
> 
> Are you looking to avoid Bootcamp altogether for some reason?
> 
> If you go the route of Windows on external USB media, I suspect your
> main problem may be figuring out how to configure it's EFI so the Mac
> will see it on boot. Thankfully, you should still have the boot
> chime--something that's gone away in newer Apples, afaik. However, you
> may still need device drivers for your Apple hardware. These are
> generally provided by Apple via Bootcamp. From time to time I've had
> notifications on my Windows desktop that driver updates are available
> for these. You'll be doing this part by hand, somehow.
> 
> I also have Windows 10 on my machine, but under Bootcamp, so that I have
> three operating environments to choose among when I hear the boot chime.
> 
> 
> My next step is to give myself the option of running one of these under
> OS X via Virtualbox.
> 
> hth
> 
> Janina
> 
> 'Danny Keys' via MacVisionaries writes:
>> Hello,
>> I’m considering running windows on my MBP mid 2014 machine running the 
>> latest OS Mojave.
>> I have a few questions.
>> Can I use an external hard drive in place of a usb 2.0 flash drive?
>> How long can I run windows 10 for free before I have to purchase it?
>> At what point can I begin using Narrator to complete the setup? Or 
>> should I have eyes present.
>> Thanks for any assistance.
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Re: Big savings today on the instant pot Wi-Fi for US customers of Amazon

[Mary Otten]

Sorry, I don’t have the link, because it was a referral link. But if you go to 
Amazon and search for instant pot Wi-Fi, you should find it without a problem.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:12 AM, Des Delgadillo  wrote:
> 
> What a deal! Would you be able to share a link to where you found this? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:06 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> I just saw an article which mentions that the new Insta pot WiFi model is 
>> going for $89 and some on Amazon in the US. This is the one that has the 
>> less than fully accessible Wi-Fi app which may or may not be made 
>> accessible. The buttons on the unit itself are apparently accessible. So if 
>> you are interested in this device, and have some faith that they will clean 
>> up their act accessibility wise, this is a huge savings. I don’t know if 
>> it’s available in Canada. The article did not say.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

[John JD Denning]

My Nest is the first generation. It’s old.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I don't seem to be having the same luck.  I logged into next, and it said I 
> was connected, but when I tell Google Assistant to set the temperature, 
> nothing happens, or I should say, I'm prompted to watch Youtube videos about 
> connecting to a nest thermostat.  Our nest is about six years old, it's a 3rd 
> gen I think,.  Do you know if we need a newer unit for this to work?  If so, 
> I'll probably just get the Eco, since it works with Siri.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:19 AM, John JD Denning  wrote:
>> 
>> It is cool that we can do that. But I see it only as a workaround. I don’t 
>> really care to use the Google assistant. Though creating the Siri shortcut 
>> it’s seamless from my end.
>> 
>> I did add all my devices to the Google assistant since they all work with 
>> just about every platform out there. But I prefer using Siri. So the nest is 
>> the only thing that I have to do this way. And it does work well.
>> It’s rather easy to set up. First you have to set up your Google assistant 
>> app on your iPhone. Then use it to do various functions with your nest. 
>> After you do them once then they will be in your Siri shortcuts suggestions. 
>> So then all you do who is at a phrase and you’re done.
>> 
>> So for example are use the Google assistant to set my nest thermostat to 
>> 70°. Then I went to settings for Siri and under the suggested shortcuts was 
>> set the thermostat to 70°. So I added the key phrase, and now all I have to 
>> do is tell Siri to set my thermostat to 70°. It launch is the assistant app 
>> and tells it to do it. So it can only be done from the phone since it needs 
>> to launch the Google assistant app.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh, wow, that's super cool!  How did you do it?  I've never used Google 
>>> Assistant IOS app.  Do you use it for anything besides controlling the nest?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:33 PM, John JD Denning  
 wrote:
 
 The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
 integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. 
 And they work very well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I 
> will say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new 
> furnace that was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff 
> mentioned also gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it 
> through a separate app - I'd really like to just run everything through 
> home kit.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> 
>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast added 
>> HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But I’m 
>> considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via HomeKit 
>> and Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
>> 
>> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to 
>> turn them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on 
>> certain lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. 
>> And all controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And 
>> everything was easy to set up.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any 
>>> of these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd 
>>> like to have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently 
>>> looking at the Ecobee3.
>>> Donna
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  
 wrote:
 
 Hi Donna,
 
 All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with 
 Google Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross 
 compatibility.
 
 The iHome ISS50 is a 5 in 1 sensor.  It can report back on things such 
 as:
 
 temperature,
 humidity,
 motion,
 sound and,
 light.
 
 Apparently, sound monitoring doesn’t currently work with Homekit, but 
 you can monitor through the iHome Control app.
 
 More information at:
 
 https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/ihome-ihome-iss50-5-in-1-smart-home-monitor-iss50wc/10488097.aspx
 
 I use the iHome Control app, Philips Hue a

Re: what devices/appliances are people using with Apple Homekit?

['Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries]

thanks, John.  that being the case, I'll continue to fuss with it. :)
Cheers,
Donna

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:31 PM, John JD Denning  wrote:
> 
> My Nest is the first generation. It’s old.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 13:12, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi John,
>> 
>> I don't seem to be having the same luck.  I logged into next, and it said I 
>> was connected, but when I tell Google Assistant to set the temperature, 
>> nothing happens, or I should say, I'm prompted to watch Youtube videos about 
>> connecting to a nest thermostat.  Our nest is about six years old, it's a 
>> 3rd gen I think,.  Do you know if we need a newer unit for this to work?  If 
>> so, I'll probably just get the Eco, since it works with Siri.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 8:19 AM, John JD Denning >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> It is cool that we can do that. But I see it only as a workaround. I don’t 
>>> really care to use the Google assistant. Though creating the Siri shortcut 
>>> it’s seamless from my end.
>>> 
>>> I did add all my devices to the Google assistant since they all work with 
>>> just about every platform out there. But I prefer using Siri. So the nest 
>>> is the only thing that I have to do this way. And it does work well.
>>> It’s rather easy to set up. First you have to set up your Google assistant 
>>> app on your iPhone. Then use it to do various functions with your nest. 
>>> After you do them once then they will be in your Siri shortcuts 
>>> suggestions. So then all you do who is at a phrase and you’re done.
>>> 
>>> So for example are use the Google assistant to set my nest thermostat to 
>>> 70°. Then I went to settings for Siri and under the suggested shortcuts was 
>>> set the thermostat to 70°. So I added the key phrase, and now all I have to 
>>> do is tell Siri to set my thermostat to 70°. It launch is the assistant app 
>>> and tells it to do it. So it can only be done from the phone since it needs 
>>> to launch the Google assistant app.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:37, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Oh, wow, that's super cool!  How did you do it?  I've never used Google 
 Assistant IOS app.  Do you use it for anything besides controlling the 
 nest?
 Cheers,
 Donna
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 6:33 PM, John JD Denning  > wrote:
> 
> The newest version of the Google assistant iOS app offer Siri shortcuts 
> integration. I just set up Siri commands to control my nest thermostat. 
> And they work very well.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 13:45, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>  > wrote:
> 
>> I've heard that furnace installers/repair people prefer the Eco, and I 
>> will say I don't think our nest has worked quite as well with the new 
>> furnace that was put in last summer.  The Honeywell thermostat that Jeff 
>> mentioned also gets good reviews.  But yeah, I'm tired of controlling it 
>> through a separate app - I'd really like to just run everything through 
>> home kit.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 12:04 PM, John JD Denning >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Like you, I have a nest thermostat. I’ve had it for years. If Nast 
>>> added HomeKit support I would stick with Nest and probably upgrade. But 
>>> I’m considering the ecobee as well. I really would like control via 
>>> HomeKit and Siri. Everything else I have is controllable via Siri.
>>> 
>>> I have several automations, like went to turn on outdoor lights went to 
>>> turn them off if somebody approaches the house at night to turn on 
>>> certain lights. And then of course he seen that shut everything down. 
>>> And all controllable by Siri, or the Home app on my phone. And 
>>> everything was easy to set up.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2018, at 11:59, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks, Jeff.  Just curious, do you control the thermostat through any 
 of these interfaces?  We currently have a nest, but I'm thinking I'd 
 like to have a thermostat I can control through Siri.  Currently 
 looking at the Ecobee3.
 Donna
 
 
> On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Jeff Berwick  > wrote:
> 
> Hi Donna,
> 
> All of the products I use work with Homekit  They also work with 
> Google Home.  I have both systems in my house, so I wanted cross 
> compatibility.
> 
>

Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Commands

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Tim,
   This has been an interesting experience. I had no trouble with the 
Apple keyboard but gave it to a friend. I got the Logitech because its 
multi device which works nicely.


   This morning I encountered a strange issue. I wanted to add a 
contact from Recents in the phone app. Even when the edit field was 
active, I could not enter characters with the onscreen keyboard. Both 
the Logitech and the braille display were turned off. Yet while at the 
store having my coffee, I had no trouble carrying out this task. Strange.


   Is the option up/down command in an Apple Book? I've seen many 
references to it in Google searches from 2017 back. Maybe I will get the 
user guide from Books.


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On 11/26/2018 8:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

hi,

Probably your most up-to-date resource would be the Apple Books version 
of iPhone or iPad User's Guide for iOS 12.1.  I don't have your model of 
keyboard, only an Apple wireless keyboard or the special keyboard thing 
on my iPad Pro.  For me, the FN-VO-up/down will open the Notification 
and Control Centres, as well as the Option-up/down while in the Status 
bar.  I do know that some third party keyboards don't sync as nice as 
others.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 26, 2018, at 08:56, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


   Recently I got the Logitech K780 keyboard and have been playing with 
it on my iDevices.


   First, is there an up to date list of keyboard commands for iOS?

   Second, the commands for invoking the control center and notification 
center is option up and down respectively, after putting focus on the 
status bar. They do not work. The commands for the Apple wireless 
keyboard are fn-VO-up and down also do not work on the Logitech.


   Anyone seen this? All the other commands that I tried do work, The 
equivalent commands for a braille display work fine. Input please. Thanks.


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Help with partition

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Dear List,
I created a 2nd partition to install Mojave.
Now I wanted to delete that partition and have that 324GB added back to my main 
hard  drive.
I now have a partition named VM an I don’t know how to remove it and get the 
324GB of space back.
I need your help!

Thanks,
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Re: Help with partition

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Hi,

You may get some extra dialogs and such if your drive is APFS, but this is the 
basic gist of it.  If you're running from your original MacOS and just wish to 
remove that second partition, then go into Disk Utility, press cmd-2 to view 
the full disk info.  Next, interact with the table of devices and bring focus 
to the name of the device drive.  This is not the volume names, but the name of 
the device drive itself, such as "APPLE SSD AP0512J Media".  Stop interacting 
with the table and navigate left to the Toolbar.  Interact with the toolbar and 
navigate to the Partition button, then VO-space on it.  Locate the Partition 
Map Pie Chart item and interact with it.  VO-space on the partition you wish to 
remove, then stop interacting with the pie chart.  Navigate to the Remove 
button and press it.  You should get some confirmation dialogs.  Confirm that 
you really wish to do it, as everything on that partition will be erased and 
unrecoverable.  Once you confirm it, the partition will be removed, and the old 
partition should automatically be expanded to use up the free space.

Later...

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(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:23, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
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Dear List,
I created a 2nd partition to install Mojave.
Now I wanted to delete that partition and have that 324GB added back to my main 
hard  drive.
I now have a partition named VM an I don’t know how to remove it and get the 
324GB of space back.
I need your help!

Thanks,
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Commands

['Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries]

Hi,

It sounds to me like the Logitech keyboard is still hanging on in some fashion, 
even though it is powered down.  I'm assuming that you've fully powered it 
down, not just put it to sleep.  Sorry, I don't have one of those units to know 
exactly how it is set up.  The VO-fn-up/down is noted in the Apple book for 
sure, but I not sure if the Option-up/down method is referenced in the book as 
well.  I'll have to take another look.

The book is free and easy to navigate through on an iOS device.

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On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 wrote:

Tim,
  This has been an interesting experience. I had no trouble with the Apple 
keyboard but gave it to a friend. I got the Logitech because its multi device 
which works nicely.

  This morning I encountered a strange issue. I wanted to add a contact from 
Recents in the phone app. Even when the edit field was active, I could not 
enter characters with the onscreen keyboard. Both the Logitech and the braille 
display were turned off. Yet while at the store having my coffee, I had no 
trouble carrying out this task. Strange.

  Is the option up/down command in an Apple Book? I've seen many references to 
it in Google searches from 2017 back. Maybe I will get the user guide from 
Books.

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> hi,
> Probably your most up-to-date resource would be the Apple Books version of 
> iPhone or iPad User's Guide for iOS 12.1.  I don't have your model of 
> keyboard, only an Apple wireless keyboard or the special keyboard thing on my 
> iPad Pro.  For me, the FN-VO-up/down will open the Notification and Control 
> Centres, as well as the Option-up/down while in the Status bar.  I do know 
> that some third party keyboards don't sync as nice as others.
> Later...
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 08:56, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
>   Recently I got the Logitech K780 keyboard and have been playing with it on 
> my iDevices.
>   First, is there an up to date list of keyboard commands for iOS?
>   Second, the commands for invoking the control center and notification 
> center is option up and down respectively, after putting focus on the status 
> bar. They do not work. The commands for the Apple wireless keyboard are 
> fn-VO-up and down also do not work on the Logitech.
>   Anyone seen this? All the other commands that I tried do work, The 
> equivalent commands for a braille display work fine. Input please. Thanks.
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Re: Help with partition

['Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries]

Thank you. That fixed it.


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 2:44 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> You may get some extra dialogs and such if your drive is APFS, but this is 
> the basic gist of it.  If you're running from your original MacOS and just 
> wish to remove that second partition, then go into Disk Utility, press cmd-2 
> to view the full disk info.  Next, interact with the table of devices and 
> bring focus to the name of the device drive.  This is not the volume names, 
> but the name of the device drive itself, such as "APPLE SSD AP0512J Media".  
> Stop interacting with the table and navigate left to the Toolbar.  Interact 
> with the toolbar and navigate to the Partition button, then VO-space on it.  
> Locate the Partition Map Pie Chart item and interact with it.  VO-space on 
> the partition you wish to remove, then stop interacting with the pie chart.  
> Navigate to the Remove button and press it.  You should get some confirmation 
> dialogs.  Confirm that you really wish to do it, as everything on that 
> partition will be erased and unrecoverable.  Once you confirm it, the 
> partition will be removed, and the old partition should automatically be 
> expanded to use up the free space.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:23, 'Robert Cole' via MacVisionaries 
> mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> 
> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> I created a 2nd partition to install Mojave.
> Now I wanted to delete that partition and have that 324GB added back to my 
> main hard  drive.
> I now have a partition named VM an I don’t know how to remove it and get the 
> 324GB of space back.
> I need your help!
> 
> Thanks,
> rob
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Re: Bluetooth Keyboard Commands

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

   This is crazy. I am almost certain I had tested this with QN on but 
maybw not. That is what makes this work. Oh well lesson learned. Try 
anything remotely possible.


   On the issue with adding contacts, I will try to duplicate this next 
time I get a caller who is not in my contacts.


   Now I can move forward. (smiles)

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On 11/26/2018 11:49 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

Hi,

It sounds to me like the Logitech keyboard is still hanging on in some 
fashion, even though it is powered down.  I'm assuming that you've fully 
powered it down, not just put it to sleep.  Sorry, I don't have one of 
those units to know exactly how it is set up.  The VO-fn-up/down is 
noted in the Apple book for sure, but I not sure if the Option-up/down 
method is referenced in the book as well.  I'll have to take another look.


The book is free and easy to navigate through on an iOS device.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 26, 2018, at 12:19, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
> wrote:


Tim,
   This has been an interesting experience. I had no trouble with the 
Apple keyboard but gave it to a friend. I got the Logitech because its 
multi device which works nicely.


   This morning I encountered a strange issue. I wanted to add a contact 
from Recents in the phone app. Even when the edit field was active, I 
could not enter characters with the onscreen keyboard. Both the Logitech 
and the braille display were turned off. Yet while at the store having 
my coffee, I had no trouble carrying out this task. Strange.


   Is the option up/down command in an Apple Book? I've seen many 
references to it in Google searches from 2017 back. Maybe I will get the 
user guide from Books.


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On 11/26/2018 8:58 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries wrote:

hi,
Probably your most up-to-date resource would be the Apple Books 
version of iPhone or iPad User's Guide for iOS 12.1.  I don't have 
your model of keyboard, only an Apple wireless keyboard or the special 
keyboard thing on my iPad Pro.  For me, the FN-VO-up/down will open 
the Notification and Control Centres, as well as the Option-up/down 
while in the Status bar.  I do know that some third party keyboards 
don't sync as nice as others.

Later...
Tim Kilburn
Apple Teacher
(with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
Fort McMurray, AB Canada
On Nov 26, 2018, at 08:56, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
 
> wrote:
  Recently I got the Logitech K780 keyboard and have been playing with 
it on my iDevices.

  First, is there an up to date list of keyboard commands for iOS?
  Second, the commands for invoking the control center and 
notification center is option up and down respectively, after putting 
focus on the status bar. They do not work. The commands for the Apple 
wireless keyboard are fn-VO-up and down also do not work on the Logitech.
  Anyone seen this? All the other commands that I tried do work, The 
equivalent commands for a braille display work fine. Input please. Thanks.

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Using VLC player?

[Matt Turner]

Hi folks.
So, I think I might have changed something in voiceover.
when ever I interact with the table for a folder of music I’ve added in VLC, 
all I here is image, when I VO left, or right.
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Anne Robertson]

If you mean, can you read his ID and password, no. They are the two things you 
need to be able to connect. Your friend will need someone to read them out to 
you. However, the ID never changes, it’s just the password that changes with 
each session.
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> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Aha, will give it a try, 
> just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his computer, 
> is it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>> Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
>> You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi:
>>> 
>>> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
>>> his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
>>> should do?
>>> 
>>> 
 On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
 the slave computer.
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 
> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> 
> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app 
> to be able to help him from my Home.
> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
> connecting.
> so, is there any other alternatives?
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Operating a HomePod with more than one device

[Mary Otten]

Hi all,
I was just listening to David would bridges podcast where he set up his 
HomePod. And of course he was in the home app. I have an iPhone 7 Plus which is 
no longer acting as a phone, since it doesn’t have a Sim card in it, although 
it will do Wi-Fi calling as long as it’s on the Wi-Fi network where my real 
iPhone is. I got the impression as David did his set up that you might only be 
able to control the HomePod from a given device. So I’m just wondering if I 
have to be careful which device I set my homePod up with. That is, if I were to 
use my iPhone xr to set up the phone, can I then use my iPhone 7 Plus to do 
airplay, say of an audiobook from audible or whatever. Or can I only airplane 
from the device on which the set up was initially done? I hope that makes sense.
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Re: Violin Tuning App

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I found it under "talking tuner" in the app store.
My Youtube Channel:
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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Eileen Scrivani  wrote:
> 
> I use an app that I launch by saying “launch Talking Tuner”. I would search 
> for Talking Tuner in the app store. And, if that doesn’t work when you search 
> the app store, try “Hot Paw talking tuner.” Sorry, it was my husband who 
> originally purchased the app so I’m a bit uncertain of the exact name for 
> purchasing it.
>  
> It has the exact features you mention. It will state the note name sharp &/or 
> flat and will tell how much it is off by in a percentage. It will also tell 
> you when you’re dead on the note.
>  
> Good luck.
>  
> Eileen
>  
>  
> From: Todor Fassl <>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2018 9:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <>
> Subject: Violin Tuning App
>  
> Perhaps this is a long shot but I was hoping to get a recommendation on 
> a violin tuning app. I have an iPhone and an iBook Pro so either IOS or 
> MacOs recommendations will work.
> 
> What I am hoping for is an app that uses the microphone to listen to the 
> note I am playing and tells me whether it is too high or too low. Tha's 
> the big challenge for an amateur like myself.
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Re: Operating a HomePod with more than one device

[Jeff Berwick]

The description page for HomePod indicates that friends connected to your home 
wifi can play music through your HomePod, so I suspect you’ll be okay to stream 
to the HomePod, but you may wish to use your main iPhone for the setup to 
ensure access to your calendar, messages and mail.

https://www.apple.com/ca/homepod/ 

Hth,
Jeff


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
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> Hi all,
> I was just listening to David would bridges podcast where he set up his 
> HomePod. And of course he was in the home app. I have an iPhone 7 Plus which 
> is no longer acting as a phone, since it doesn’t have a Sim card in it, 
> although it will do Wi-Fi calling as long as it’s on the Wi-Fi network where 
> my real iPhone is. I got the impression as David did his set up that you 
> might only be able to control the HomePod from a given device. So I’m just 
> wondering if I have to be careful which device I set my homePod up with. That 
> is, if I were to use my iPhone xr to set up the phone, can I then use my 
> iPhone 7 Plus to do airplay, say of an audiobook from audible or whatever. Or 
> can I only airplane from the device on which the set up was initially done? I 
> hope that makes sense.
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Re: Using VLC player?

[Lorie McCloud]

you might try using the lists command. I think it's command-2.
My Youtube Channel:
"www.youtube.com/loriemccloud   

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:07 PM, Matt Turner  wrote:
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> Hi folks.
> So, I think I might have changed something in voiceover.
> when ever I interact with the table for a folder of music I’ve added in VLC, 
> all I here is image, when I VO left, or right.
> Confused.
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Re: Operating a HomePod with more than one device

[John JD Denning]

Noe, you can control it from more than one device. It’s based on your iCloud 
account not the physical device. And then you can allow or disallow guests to 
use it people on that your Wi-Fi network.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 16:48, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
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> The description page for HomePod indicates that friends connected to your 
> home wifi can play music through your HomePod, so I suspect you’ll be okay to 
> stream to the HomePod, but you may wish to use your main iPhone for the setup 
> to ensure access to your calendar, messages and mail.
> 
> https://www.apple.com/ca/homepod/
> 
> Hth,
> Jeff
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I was just listening to David would bridges podcast where he set up his 
>> HomePod. And of course he was in the home app. I have an iPhone 7 Plus which 
>> is no longer acting as a phone, since it doesn’t have a Sim card in it, 
>> although it will do Wi-Fi calling as long as it’s on the Wi-Fi network where 
>> my real iPhone is. I got the impression as David did his set up that you 
>> might only be able to control the HomePod from a given device. So I’m just 
>> wondering if I have to be careful which device I set my homePod up with. 
>> That is, if I were to use my iPhone xr to set up the phone, can I then use 
>> my iPhone 7 Plus to do airplay, say of an audiobook from audible or 
>> whatever. Or can I only airplane from the device on which the set up was 
>> initially done? I hope that makes sense.
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Selecting photos to add to an album?

[Chris Moore]

I could use instructions for either ios or mac, but I’ll probably be doing it 
onthe mac.
Chris

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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> On Mac or iOS?
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> Later...
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> On Nov 25, 2018, at 19:11, Chris Moore  > wrote:
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> Hello,
> I need to select some photos to add to an album.  Is there a way to do this 
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

['Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries]

Hi all. I find that when using FaceTime, nobody can hear my computer and I 
can't hear their's. Because of this, I recommend you use Skype if you need to 
hear the other computer. This is if both parties are using Facetime on Macs. 
However, if both of you use Facetime on your iPhones, you won't have this issue.

Regards,
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Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air

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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 3:11 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> If you mean, can you read his ID and password, no. They are the two things 
> you need to be able to connect. Your friend will need someone to read them 
> out to you. However, the ID never changes, it’s just the password that 
> changes with each session.
> Cheers,
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>> 
>> Aha, will give it a try, 
>> just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his computer, 
>> is it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?
>> 
>>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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>>> Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
>>> You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
 
 Hi:
 
 i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
 his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
 should do?
 
 
> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
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> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver on 
> the slave computer.
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> Hi all:
>> 
>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app 
>> to be able to help him from my Home.
>> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
>> connecting.
>> so, is there any other alternatives?
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Re: Team viewer or what can we use?

[Des Delgadillo]

Hey Ramy, please do let us know how this ended up working out for you. I'd love 
to know that with Skype TeamViewer might be the solution I've been looking for. 
In the past I quit using it because of its lack of useability. Perhaps with the 
implementation of Skype it will be a different story.



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 26, 2018, at 9:26 PM, 'Shawn Krasniuk' via MacVisionaries 
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> Hi all. I find that when using FaceTime, nobody can hear my computer and I 
> can't hear their's. Because of this, I recommend you use Skype if you need to 
> hear the other computer. This is if both parties are using Facetime on Macs. 
> However, if both of you use Facetime on your iPhones, you won't have this 
> issue.
> 
> Regards,
> Shawn,
> Sent from Sophia, the MacBook Air
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>> 
>> If you mean, can you read his ID and password, no. They are the two things 
>> you need to be able to connect. Your friend will need someone to read them 
>> out to you. However, the ID never changes, it’s just the password that 
>> changes with each session.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:27, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aha, will give it a try, 
>>> just a quick question here, in the scroll eria that represents his 
>>> computer, is it accessible when the VOice over speaks on his computer?
>>> 
 On Nov 26, 2018, at 7:24 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
 
 Could he use Siri to turn VoiceOver on?
 You have to turn VO off on your computer to be able to use VO to pilot his.
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 
 
 
> On 26 Nov 2018, at 18:02, Ramy Moustafa  wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> i wa using the Facetime with the other partner, but the idea is that even 
> his Voice over was not talking. is there a setting or something that i 
> should do?
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> I use TeamViewer and Skype together. Skype allows me to hear VoiceOver 
>> on the slave computer.
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Nov 2018, at 15:08, Ramy Moustafa  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all:
>>> 
>>> One of my friends has problems in his mac. i need to use any Remote app 
>>> to be able to help him from my Home.
>>> I tried Team viewer but Voice over did not speak in his computer after 
>>> connecting.
>>> so, is there any other alternatives?
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