Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
- Original message - I don't recall if there was talk about a Nokia-provided hacker edition of Fremantle. I suspect there won't be, as it didn't gather a lot of community development on the 770 and with projects like Mer creating a community-supported build already, I suspect Nokia will focus on getting them the resources they need to improve their offering. Yes, there's been quite a lot of talk and it's been decided that Mer is the best way forward. No silly Nokia 'quality' requirements, so the community will be much more capable of bringing the backport to OMAP2 (and other) hardware. Nokia is going to be providing an unprecidented level of support to facilitate Mer.___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Screen orientation
thanks for the reminder :) I have put together a report including test cases on the itt forum http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=261099 This includes lots of information about the issue and I have mailed the rotation patch author and let folks know. I am not sure where the problem originates from so putting the issue centrally is the best option. gary On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Siarhei Siamashka < siarhei.siamas...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tuesday 27 January 2009, gary liquid wrote: > > the answer to the identification problem is by querying the xrandr x11 > > extension library. > > > > http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xrandr.3.html > > > > Kamen correctly points out however that a user with the default > > installation of maemo does not need to query this interface, there is > only > > 1 possible default orientation: landscape. > > > > Future versions of maemo will hopefully have a fully working xrandr > > implementation and allow rotation to be queried and controlled in the > > default system. > > > > *note to nokians reading, PLEASE make sure this works and also confirm > that > > XV rotates correctly as well ;)* > > > > Gary Birkett (lcuk in #maemo) > > By the way, have you reported this XV rotation problem to the authors of > the > unofficial rotation patch? What did they reply? > > -- > Best regards, > Siarhei Siamashka > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
> Whoa! backup. > > Would someone else please confirm that freemantle will NOT run on the > N800 or N810? This is the first that I have noticed this. I don't have links handy, but as a lurker on planet and the dev-list I know it's been mentioned several times. It's been a while since I've looked at projected specs for the new device, but significantly increased CPU horsepower, hardware 3D, and accellerometers all vaguely ring bells for me, any of which could be deeply integrated into Fremantle in such a way as to make backporting to older hardware a significant amount of work. I don't recall if there was talk about a Nokia-provided hacker edition of Fremantle. I suspect there won't be, as it didn't gather a lot of community development on the 770 and with projects like Mer creating a community-supported build already, I suspect Nokia will focus on getting them the resources they need to improve their offering. Thanks, Mike Lococo ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Anderson Lizardo wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: >> >> An example of this is Mer: > > Are those "open-source elements of Nokia's Maemo platform" already > coming from maemo 5? Yes. As I said, you can already play with the kinetic scrolling goodness of Maemo 5 on an 770 or N8x0 today; through the newer version of libhildon which is in Mer. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Screen orientation
On Tuesday 27 January 2009, gary liquid wrote: > the answer to the identification problem is by querying the xrandr x11 > extension library. > > http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xrandr.3.html > > Kamen correctly points out however that a user with the default > installation of maemo does not need to query this interface, there is only > 1 possible default orientation: landscape. > > Future versions of maemo will hopefully have a fully working xrandr > implementation and allow rotation to be queried and controlled in the > default system. > > *note to nokians reading, PLEASE make sure this works and also confirm that > XV rotates correctly as well ;)* > > Gary Birkett (lcuk in #maemo) By the way, have you reported this XV rotation problem to the authors of the unofficial rotation patch? What did they reply? -- Best regards, Siarhei Siamashka ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Andrew Flegg wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: >> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jason Edgecombe >> wrote: >> >>> Would someone else please confirm that freemantle will NOT run on the >>> N800 or N810? This is the first that I have noticed this. >> >> It is implied that official support won't be there, but it could be >> made to work [...] >> >>> This early release comes with an invitation to build variants based on >>> Maemo 5 compatible with existing hardware like the N800 and N810. > > An example of this is Mer: > >http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Mer based on Ubuntu? from the wiki: "Mer is a new Linux operating system, built upon a thin base of Ubuntu Jaunty combined with the best open-source elements of Nokia's Maemo platform." Are those "open-source elements of Nokia's Maemo platform" already coming from maemo 5? Thanks in advance, -- Anderson Lizardo Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia (INdT) Manaus - Brazil ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Accessing GPS data remotely
There is also for bluetooth (with bluez-utils-test installed):
http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=193324&postcount=11
---cut---
#!/bin/sh
if [ $# == 0 ]; then
sdptool add SP
while true; do
rfcomm -r -i hci0 listen 2 1 $0 {}
done
fi
exec /usr/libexec/navicore-gpsd-helper >$1
---cut---
The Nokia will then act like most bluetooth GPS units (except when
starting up the packets will be one every 5 seconds so some cell-phone
gps software will time-out - read the entire thread).
On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Andrew Daviel wrote:
>
> I want to access the GPS data from my N810 from a Linux laptop over WiFi.
> (or, possibly, Bluetooth or the USB cable)
>
> The "regular" gpsd server listens on 2947 on all interfaces, so that I
> should be able to just run cgps or xgps on the laptop. But gpsd on the
> N810 seems to only listen on loopback.
>
> Is there any config item to change this behaviour ?
> Should I file a bug report ?
>
> It seems silly to have to write extra interface applications when the
> existing server ought to do it directly.
>
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Re: Accessing GPS data remotely
minigpsd listens on all ports and is in extras and designed as a replacement for osso-gpsd. It has its own launcher since it also logs (to kml files with NMEA and external sources to XML comments within) On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Andrew Daviel wrote: > > I want to access the GPS data from my N810 from a Linux laptop over WiFi. > (or, possibly, Bluetooth or the USB cable) > > The "regular" gpsd server listens on 2947 on all interfaces, so that I > should be able to just run cgps or xgps on the laptop. But gpsd on the > N810 seems to only listen on loopback. > > Is there any config item to change this behaviour ? > Should I file a bug report ? > > It seems silly to have to write extra interface applications when the > existing server ought to do it directly. > > -- > Andrew Daviel, TRIUMF, Canada > Tel. +1 (604) 222-7376 (Pacific Time) > Network Security Manager > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ville M. Vainio wrote: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jason Edgecombe > wrote: > >> Would someone else please confirm that freemantle will NOT run on the >> N800 or N810? This is the first that I have noticed this. > > It is implied that official support won't be there, but it could be > made to work [...] > >> This early release comes with an invitation to build variants based on >> Maemo 5 compatible with existing hardware like the N800 and N810. An example of this is Mer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer It's still in development, and isn't ready for end-users yet, but already allows you to play with some of the new kinetic scrolling Hildon widgets and have fun building up a new Ubuntu & Maemo-inspired platform. Cheers, Andrew -- Andrew Flegg -- mailto:and...@bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ Maemo Community Council member ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jason Edgecombe wrote: > Whoa! backup. > > Would someone else please confirm that freemantle will NOT run on the > N800 or N810? This is the first that I have noticed this. It is implied that official support won't be there, but it could be made to work: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/first_maemo_5_sdk_release_targeting_platform_developers/ QQQ Maemo 5 comes today as an SDK only since it targets the OMAP3 architecture and no OMAP2 compatibility will be officially provided. The revamped UI relying on graphics acceleration and the new functionality built around the new supported hardware made it too complex to keep the compatibility between both architectures. This early release comes with an invitation to build variants based on Maemo 5 compatible with existing hardware like the N800 and N810. Maemo SW can't promise commercial quality for such configurations but through maemo.org we are able to collaborate at a community level with technical support, license changes and code. QQQ -- Ville M. Vainio http://tinyurl.com/vainio ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Fremantle won't run on N800/N810?! (was Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP) )
Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni wrote: > Hi, > > as far as we no, Freemantle won't run on N810/N800 because of the new > UI. The interesting question for 3rd-party developers could be: Does > applications written for Diablo run in Freemantle? Which dependencies > are deprecated and which new they had to comply. > > Maybe they could be some not so important for the marketing, but > interesting for the developers details about the hardware reported (like > HD-camera). For e.g. does it have a hardware keyboard or the default > screen orientation.. > Whoa! backup. Would someone else please confirm that freemantle will NOT run on the N800 or N810? This is the first that I have noticed this. Thanks, Jason ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP)
ext Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni wrote: > Hi, > > as far as we no, Freemantle won't run on N810/N800 because of the new > UI. The interesting question for 3rd-party developers could be: Does > applications written for Diablo run in Freemantle? Which dependencies > are deprecated and which new they had to comply. > > The existing applications will run in Fremantle, there is already SDK pre-alpha release that you can use to see many things from Fremantle. The changes are not so big and there will be full Fremantle SDK lot before actual product is in shops. You have time to adapt applications to some changes. Even the UI looks new, application API's have not changed so much at all. As example, really big majority of Qt applications will run unmodified at all. With GTK applications, my experiences are very similar. There will be new API's like Clutter and OpenGL-ES2.0 but it is not mandatory to use them if you don't need them. With Qt, you can use Graphisview without OpenGL acceleration and it will just run faster in Fremantle with OpenGL-ES render. > Maybe they could be some not so important for the marketing, but > interesting for the developers details about the hardware reported (like > HD-camera). For e.g. does it have a hardware keyboard or the default > screen orientation.. > Next thing would be alpha version of SDK that has most of new API's atc. With the SDK you can develop and test applications. After product release, Forum Nokia will have prototypes available in proto loan service to selected developers. That means that developers will have lot of time to write and test application with SDK and possibility to test it with prototypes before device is in shops. Camera is just typical example that is impossible to test without real device and just for this purpose we have the proto loan service. Kate Alhola Maemo Chief Engineer Technical services and consultancy Forum Nokia > > Regards, > > Keywan > > -- > Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni > http://www.prometoys.net > > peo...@world:/# apt-get --purge remove capitalism > After unpacking world will be freed. > You are about to do something potentially beneficial > To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as We say!' > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Audio preemption between a media player and softphone.
Richard schrieb: > Hi, > > Our team has written a media player and softphone on the maemo > platform. However they are sharing a alsa mixer such that softphone > cannot preempt the media player' audio when the call is received and > establish. How can I do the audio arbitation in maemo? Thanks in advance > You can use libplayback. I define a context where the application described its type and you register a callback for getting preemption requests etc. Stefan > Regards, > > Richard Wu > Senior Engineer, > ASTRI > > > ~ > This message (including any attachments) is for the named > addressee(s)'s use only. It may contain sensitive, confidential, > private proprietary or legally privileged information intended for a > specific individual and purpose, and is protected by law. If you are > not the intended recipient, please immediately delete it and all copies > of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it > and notify the sender. Any use, disclosure, copying, or distribution of > this message and/or any attachments is strictly prohibited. > > > ___ > maemo-developers mailing list > maemo-developers@maemo.org > https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP)
Hallo, I think you are quite hard to Jeffrey. I am not running a business with NIT, but I have an open source project running. And I love my project, and I like to have a lot of people using it. I think this was the idea of Nokia to open the platform. They want us developers. The realy did a lot of work to support us. And if Jeffrey tells them, all this work is of no use to him, if he has the uncertencies (and to a lower extend this is true for me to, as I am thinking of programming open source games and try to decide for what platform, and I am not feeling this platform is very alive at the moment) Nokia should be happy about this information (and I think they are). I think you got my point ... Detlef Am Freitag, den 30.01.2009, 08:46 + schrieb Sebastian 'CrashandDie' Lauwers: > On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi Quim, > > Thanks for taking the time to answer what nearly was flamebait. > > >> Nokia opened their > >> platform to encourage developers to contribute their expertise, but their > >> capriciousness and opacity about their hardware roadmap are tolerable only > >> to hobbyists or companies porting software from another platform as a > >> sideline. > > > > As much as I love free software and open roadmaps, I must reckon that in > > the current times transparent hardware roadmaps are not helping > > companies to sell devices sooner, cheaper or better. > > > > For companies like Nokia, the ultimate reason behind hardware roadmap > > opacity is to sell more and better, which is equivalent to increase more > > your potential user base. Get more (and happier) users by bringing > > better products than the competition and get more (and happier) users by > > managing consumer expectations and media hype. > > There is another point I would like to stress here. Ever since I have > been involved, every so often, I see a rant and it just baffles me. > These rants can be about an array of different subjects, but every > time, it boils down to the same thing: Some people believe Nokia owes > them something. I'm not saying Nokia need not work to keep their > customers happy, far from it -- they wouldn't still be in business had > they not, but I don't understand how people can even think that Nokia > should bow before their every whim and wish. > > In this particular case, the troll believes that Nokia owes him the > assurance that he and his company will be able to develop and sell > applications. I'm sorry, but where do your business ideas come from? > Yes, you are a Nokia customer, and as such, you have the right to > technical support, or software updates, but you are *not* entitled to > some unheard of commercial agreement. The NIT is a platform, open as > it can be, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your agreement with > Nokia is that you will develop software, make profit from it, and > Nokia will support you. > > Let me stress this a bit more. If you were a software developer, and > you bought the hardware device from Nokia, put your software on it, > and then sold the device, yes, you would have a contract that entitled > you to get heads up to the EOL of a product. You would most probably > also have access to product lifecycles and product updates, so that > your company could brace for the next version. But this is not what > happens. You buy the product as an end-user. You may not use it as > such, as you are a developer, but regardless of that, you still are > just that. An end-user. > > Apple would not justify itself if it discontinued the Mac Mini. > Verisign did not send apologies when they stopped issuing md5-based > certificates. Miltek did not flame at VW when they discontinued the > Golf 3 in favour of the Golf 4. So why would anyone have the right to > attack Nokia when they are sticking to their internal product > lifecycle? > > >> If you see only > >> melodrama in these concerns, then perhaps you have never tried to run a > >> business in the face of such uncertainty. > > Again, if you don't see how little sense you are making -- from a > business standpoint, I do understand your fears as Joe Blogs -- I > doubt you should be trying to run a business. You are not a Nokia > partner, they are not your hardware providers. You are using their > platform to your own interest. Why would Nokia care? > > Praise the day people realise we are talking to a big product company. > Not a hardware manufacturer, not a big brother whose job is to get > your business -- or life for that matter -- going. They will do what > is profitable for them, and if they're not, they're idiots -- > business-wise. > > Yes I know, I'm a troll as well. Sorry. > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP)
Hi, as far as we no, Freemantle won't run on N810/N800 because of the new UI. The interesting question for 3rd-party developers could be: Does applications written for Diablo run in Freemantle? Which dependencies are deprecated and which new they had to comply. Maybe they could be some not so important for the marketing, but interesting for the developers details about the hardware reported (like HD-camera). For e.g. does it have a hardware keyboard or the default screen orientation.. Regards, Keywan -- Keywan Najafi Tonekaboni http://www.prometoys.net peo...@world:/# apt-get --purge remove capitalism After unpacking world will be freed. You are about to do something potentially beneficial To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as We say!' ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Maemo for commercial development (was Re: N810 RIP)
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:06 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > Hi, Hi Quim, Thanks for taking the time to answer what nearly was flamebait. >> Nokia opened their >> platform to encourage developers to contribute their expertise, but their >> capriciousness and opacity about their hardware roadmap are tolerable only >> to hobbyists or companies porting software from another platform as a >> sideline. > > As much as I love free software and open roadmaps, I must reckon that in > the current times transparent hardware roadmaps are not helping > companies to sell devices sooner, cheaper or better. > > For companies like Nokia, the ultimate reason behind hardware roadmap > opacity is to sell more and better, which is equivalent to increase more > your potential user base. Get more (and happier) users by bringing > better products than the competition and get more (and happier) users by > managing consumer expectations and media hype. There is another point I would like to stress here. Ever since I have been involved, every so often, I see a rant and it just baffles me. These rants can be about an array of different subjects, but every time, it boils down to the same thing: Some people believe Nokia owes them something. I'm not saying Nokia need not work to keep their customers happy, far from it -- they wouldn't still be in business had they not, but I don't understand how people can even think that Nokia should bow before their every whim and wish. In this particular case, the troll believes that Nokia owes him the assurance that he and his company will be able to develop and sell applications. I'm sorry, but where do your business ideas come from? Yes, you are a Nokia customer, and as such, you have the right to technical support, or software updates, but you are *not* entitled to some unheard of commercial agreement. The NIT is a platform, open as it can be, but that doesn't necessarily mean that your agreement with Nokia is that you will develop software, make profit from it, and Nokia will support you. Let me stress this a bit more. If you were a software developer, and you bought the hardware device from Nokia, put your software on it, and then sold the device, yes, you would have a contract that entitled you to get heads up to the EOL of a product. You would most probably also have access to product lifecycles and product updates, so that your company could brace for the next version. But this is not what happens. You buy the product as an end-user. You may not use it as such, as you are a developer, but regardless of that, you still are just that. An end-user. Apple would not justify itself if it discontinued the Mac Mini. Verisign did not send apologies when they stopped issuing md5-based certificates. Miltek did not flame at VW when they discontinued the Golf 3 in favour of the Golf 4. So why would anyone have the right to attack Nokia when they are sticking to their internal product lifecycle? >> If you see only >> melodrama in these concerns, then perhaps you have never tried to run a >> business in the face of such uncertainty. Again, if you don't see how little sense you are making -- from a business standpoint, I do understand your fears as Joe Blogs -- I doubt you should be trying to run a business. You are not a Nokia partner, they are not your hardware providers. You are using their platform to your own interest. Why would Nokia care? Praise the day people realise we are talking to a big product company. Not a hardware manufacturer, not a big brother whose job is to get your business -- or life for that matter -- going. They will do what is profitable for them, and if they're not, they're idiots -- business-wise. Yes I know, I'm a troll as well. Sorry. -- question = ( to ) ? be : ! be; -- Wm. Shakespeare ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
