RE: Where is telnet?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,
>Unfortunately, I don't have it on my N810 and can't find a copy of it.  And
>the times I need it are when travelling and so I have not got around to
>porting it myself!

Actually I would like to encourage you or someone else to port it if you need 
it.
We are very busy here and can't port every app you would like to have, so 
if you really want it, please consider doing it by yourself.

Advantage is that you get lots of fame for yourself by doing so, and that is 
the idea of the open device and open source. 
If something is missing you would need, you have the freedom to fill the void.

Best Wishes,
Karoliina
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RE: Where is telnet?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

I think there is no telnet. Install and use ssh instead, it is better and more 
secure.

Best regards,
Karoliina
 

>-Original Message-
>From: maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org 
>[mailto:maemo-users-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext Gary Mart
>Sent: 14 May, 2009 12:57
>To: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Where is telnet?
>
>When I try to run telnet from a terminal on my N810:
>
>  ~ $ telnet
>  -sh: telnet: not found
>
>And I could not find a downloadable version (at least 'search' 
>found nothing).
>
>gmart
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RE: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

>> Hmm. Do you have something against child's toys?
>>
>No, I don't and I thing the One Laptop Per Child computer, which looks
>like something from Fisher-Price, is a great idea for it's target
>group.  On the other hand, the N800 is more likely to be used by adults,
>often in a business situation, where toys are not appropriate.

I am not so sure about the business situation, because to my understanding,
Internet tablets are supposed to be fun and for fun. And in here, we
have many people who like toys (the difference of children and adults is only in
the price tag of the toys) :)... In fact, only you define what is appropriate 
really
in what situation. I would not like to imagine what kind of business situation 
calls for
not having icons and brilliant colors on desktop of an internet tablet. 
In my opinion, the N810 is very nice looking gadget and I love it, despite 
having been
using it for quite long time at work daily (the fun still haven't faded out). 

>With the new menu, I have to scroll more than with OS2007.  Ignoring
>appearance issues, this one thing makes OS2008 more awkward to use, at
>least for left handed users.

The new menu is intended for thumb use. It is not supposed to be used with 
stylus, we have
made several improvements to improve thumb use, and for example I don't use 
stylus nowadays
in most basic functions, somehow it is more natural to use fingers than stylus 
on this
device, maybe partly because of the keyboard and not having third hand for 
using stylus.
Not everything is thumb-usable, but I would like to encourage you to try it 
out, it makes
some things easier to do. It is always a compromise between being able to use 
your
thumb and seeing maybe a bit less or using stylus to hit small things. There 
are plusses on
both. 

And by the way, the translucency in home applets is functional if you haven't 
noticed. Now
you can stack applets on top of each other and even see through them (to the 
bottom applet).
I have placed my clock behind other applets. This would have not been possible 
before.
And the translucency effect haven't made the home considerably slower, so I 
don't think
the eye candy comes in front of functionality. Fun gadgets are supposed to give 
wow-effects,
and it is part of the enjoyment of using such things. I personally love all 
kind of cool looking
things and I enjoy using the OS2008 a lot more than previous versions which 
looked a lot more boring.

But whatever, YMMV. 

Karoliina

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RE: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

>IMHO all IT OS 2008 themes look better than any of the 2007 ones
>(which I found a bit garish), but all that's a matter of taste.

One of the major changes in the desktop has been incorporating composite 
effects into it, thus to make
it more appealing to the eye. And in my opinion, it looks much better than the 
previous version, but
that is just my personal opinion. At least our team (see hildon-desktop 
ChangeLog for more details from stage.maemo.org svn) did a lots 
of work to enable eye-candy composite effects that were thought to be 
technologically not possible on the platform 
before. 

Best Wishes,
Karoliina

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RE: OS2008 Damn ugly!!!

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

>still not very attractive. For example, I like to use the hand writing
>input, but the panel is a big mass of black that not only looks bad, but

As Eero pointed out, maybe your theme is not what it is for all the others, 
maybe
you have something misconfigured. Please try clean image without restoring a 
broken backup.

>is harder to see the details of it. In the terminal program, I used to
>have green text on black, but while I can set the background to black, I
>don't see any way to change the text colour. It's always black. It would
>be nice, if the old styles was available.

So you want something that is retro rather than being easy for eyes, like
green on black -monitors in the 1970s?

> BTW, I don't need icons etc., that look like they belong on a child's toy.

Hmm. Do you have something against child's toys? 

And are you saying that you would like to have
an user interface where everything would be presented as a tiny text rather 
than as a visual
icon which gives a visual cue about what it is all about? 

So are you wishing for a command line interface here instead of a graphical 
user interface?
Sounds like you would be. Wishing a hacker-text interface from a commercial 
product
intended for ordinary people that just want to have a mobile internet 
experience, 
is something I wouldn't be spending my spare time for, even most open source 
community people wouldn't probably like
such interface on a device of this form factor unless you are into 
retro-GSM-telephones from the early 1990s. Today it 
wouldn't fly (IMHO). However, if you want to try, by no means your hands are 
tied, in the free software World you can start
scratchbox now and do your own ultimate user interface e.g. with ncurses if you 
like and even replace hildon-desktop with
it in your own device if you so prefer (it is quite easy task to do even) and 
if you are totally lucky you might even
find some other users for your text-mode interface and it would be 
no-icons-guaranteed. 

Best Regards,
Karoliina

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RE: need a community board?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,
  
>   I think we need a community message board. Nowadays, there comes
nearly 20 mails per a day...mail group is so >primitive for this..Is
there anyone who knows why we don't have o message board like phpbb, smf
or something like >etc...?  
 

I think I threw a question to maemo-developers about a message board at
stone age (at the time of Nokia 770), 
but it seemed like most open source people didn't like the idea because
they were used to mailing lists. 
We (me and Kate) are hosting on our home server our flying club's
message board (with phpbb) and for that community, the message board
seems to work although the same flying club has also a mailing list
where the announcements are being made. I do not know what are the plans
for maemo-users -community though, if such a thing is planned or not.
But for reading just interesting topics, I personally like web message
boards over mailing lists - mailing lists are good for announcements,
more official postings and the like where message boards shine in casual
conversation with capability of attachments (like screenshots etc.
without flooding anybody's mailbox), no need to quote previous poster to
get understood etc. But that is just my humble opinion and personal
preference. YMMV. And besides of that, most my mailing lists are coming
to my gmail address and I can manage them pretty ok with the filters
found from the gmail but it is still not quite as convenient for finding
interesting topics though than the web forums.
 
Best Regards,
Karoliina
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RE: Run an application on n800

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,
 
I am not sure what you are meaning with .exe-files as the .exe postfix
is not in use on Linux, but in general
.exe files are binary format Windows applications which can by no means
run on other operating systems than Windows
except with wine and to my understanding nobody has ported wine to maemo
yet.
 
The program that you compiled on Scratchbox, if compiled with
ARM-target, it will run out of the box on the device, you do not
need to do anything. If you compiled it on i386-target, you have to
switch to ARM-target and recompile your program until
you can run it on the device. You can do that from the sb-menu. 
 
If you didn't have a debian package that installs automatically with the
application manager, you can just copy the
executable file on memory card, go to X-terminal, cd /media/mmc1 and
execute the program with
./myprogram (change the name of your executable file on that place). 
 
Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog
 





From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext saritha r
Sent: 16 October, 2007 11:08
To: maemo-users@maemo.org
Subject: Run an application on n800


Hi everyone,
i have installed scratchbox and complied a program ..
i can see the output on Hildon window.
now i want to port that application on n800.
i.e., How to run an existing application(*.exe file) on Nokia
800 device.

Regards
saritha








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RE: Flashing a N800 on Ubuntu Gutsy

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

>> I've a new laptop (T61) with a new distro (Ubuntu Gutsy) and 
>a new N800.
>> I'm trying to upgrade it to the latest firmware, but the 
>flasher fails:
>>
>>   $ sudo .flasher-3.0 -f -F 
>SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin -R
>>   flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006)
>>
>>   SW version in image: SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0
>>   Image 'kernel', size 1268864 bytes
>>   Version 2.6.16-200648osso1.1
>>   Image 'initfs', size 1896704 bytes
>>   Version 0.76.4
>>   Image 'rootfs', size 59768832 bytes
>>   Version NOKIA770_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_MR0
>>   Image '2nd', size 8704 bytes
>>   Version 0.9.14-6
>>   Image 'xloader', size 13824 bytes
>>   Version 0.9.14-6
>>   Image 'secondary', size 87040 bytes
>>   Version 0.9.14-6
>>   Suitable USB device not found, waiting
>>   USB device found found at bus 001, device address 009
>>   Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301
>>   NOLO version 1.1.3
>>   Version of 'sw-release': RX-34_2007SE_2.2006.51-6_PR_MR0
>>   Sending xloader image (13 kB)...
>>   100% (13 of 13 kB, avg. 33 kB/s)
>>   Sending secondary image (85 kB)...
>>   100% (85 of 85 kB, avg. 9444 kB/s)
>>   Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed!
>>   Unable to get error strings: Connection timed out
>>
>> dmesg also shows this:
>>
>>   [30073.78] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using 
>ehci_hcd and 
>> address 16 [30073.976000] usb 1-3: configuration #1 chosen 
>from 1 choice
>>   [30076.484000] usb 1-3: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd 
>> flasher-3.0 rqt 192 rq 5 len 2048 ret -110 [30224.952000] 
>usb 1-3: USB 
>> disconnect, address 16
>>
>> Google didn't help.  I'd like at least to know whether the 
>fault lies 
>> in the laptop, the OS, or the N800.  Has anyone flashed the firmware 
>> on Ubuntu Gutsy successfully?
>>
>> (I'll be able to test flashing on my desktop this evening; it runs 
>> Ubuntu Feisty and I've successfully flashed my old N800 on it.)
>>
>> Marius Gedminas
>
>Marius,
>
>   I've been able to flash mine a number of times (I try 
>things and say oops a lot)  successfully from Fiesty.  It 
>really sounds to me like this is a Gutsy bug not a Nokia one.  
>
>James

Hello,

I have been using Ubuntu Gutsy for several months now and have been
flashing my N800 about
weekly (flashing internal releases of the latest stuff you can find from
stage.maemo.org trunk)
and it has been working all the time with no problems (I haven't
upgraded the flasher program, it is the
same that came with the latest official N800 software release). If this
only occurs with Gutsy for you,
then it might be that it is the combination of your hardware plus the
software (either Gutsy or the flasher).
I am using a ugly and old several years old Dell D600 and at least this
thing works on it 
(allthough it has a number of other maemo-unrelated issues because of
the outdateness of the hardware, 
but that is an another story). 

Best Regards,
Karoliina
http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog

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RE: N800 inflight!

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,
 
>Afternoon happy N800'ers!
>
>I will be conducting an experiment.  I will be travelling from 
>the UK to San Francisco, and then back via Dallas, and instead 
>of carrying my laptop, i am going to be armed with just my 
>N800 and a bluetooth keyboard.

That is what I did on my visit to SF (well, I had 770 instead because
back then). 
The laptop was too hard to use in the very cramped
tourist class (which was very uncomfortable even without the laptop).
The flight had free wireless lan as far as I remember but it required
some multi-digit
"security code" that was impossible to remember and pain to enter with
the virtual
keyboard. 

>I have loaded up my 2GB card with tunes, audio books, pics of 
>the kids. 

I have 4GB space on my N800 and the cards are full. I have plenty of
audio books and music.
They are excellent on bus etc.

>While i am on the place, is there a way for me to kill the wireless 
>completely?   This would ensure i don't get hassle from the air 
>hostesses but also to save as much battery for the flight as possible.

As somebody told already.
However, if you was planning to use the bluetooth keyboard, obviously it
turns that
off too because wireless off means wireless off including bluetooth.

I couldn't use the 770 on flight from SF to Denver because the flight
crew didn't
understand that it was not a phone and I didn't want to argue about that
because
I was already so tired that I slept most of the trip until the plane
flew to 
severe turbulence in Denver.

>Any advice?  Am i mad trying this, or should i just take my 
>laptop as a backup?  :)

I carry laptop nowadays only on business trips. On vacation trips I can
live with N800 only.

Best Regards
Karoliina
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RE: Poor GPS Navicore software

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Johan 
>Helsingius
>Sent: 08 May, 2007 17:05
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: Poor GPS Navicore software
>
>Missouga Dongi wrote:
>
>> The one feature that make this device worthless for me (to the point 
>> that I'll return it to the Nokia shop) is that you cannot have your 
>> maps pointing North.
>
>That misfeature doesn't seem to stop TomTom from being a 
>market leader...

Hi,

If you want to have maps pointing to North (that I would not personally
need that, even
in aviation use because for me the rotating map is a more logical to
understand (for me), I even rotate physical map when flying the plane
according to the direction I am pointing at), 
you can use the Maemo Mapper. 

It has maps pointing to North as an only option because the bitmap maps
used on it can't rotate.
In fact, I am using a lots of Maemo Mapper because it is brilliant
software for measuring walk trips, bicycle trips etc. and it doesn't
enforce your position to the nearest road, it works fine in the forest
too and it is nice to be able to see also the satellite image of the
position.

I even used it for primary navigation in Spain on last Guadec. However,
it led us (me and Kate) to some
bizarre places because the road data is not so accurate on it and we
found ourselves from middle of some little field road several times, but
other than that, it is really nice software, despite I am using
also Navicore, I like to use the Maemo Mapper despite the maps don't
rotate on it. Anyway, I would like to recommend installing also Maemo
Mapper, many people love it for other reasons than the maps pointing to
North, but it also has maps pointing to North by default if someone
likes that feature.

Best Regards,
Karoliina
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RE: Choice of Programming Languages

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

Easiest way to develop applications nowadays is Python + PyGtk. It
consumes quite a bit resources but if you can code Java, you can learn
Python in half day when other people need about one day to learn it :).
I am currently coding with Python, and I love it! It is so nice! And you
may find the Python + Gtk+ quite familiar as the UI is constructed in
the same way as in the Java - the Gtk+ has different boxes that can go
inside other widgets and you construct UI the same way as in Java and it
becomes scalable and everything if you like. I used to code high level
stuff with Java several years ago, but now I don't bother hacking with
it anymore as I have found a lot better alternatives.

If you want speed from the application and minimal resource use and
maybe want to do low level stuff, then the obvious choice is C and Gtk+.

If you want to do some library with object oriented language, you can
also use C++. I once tested that I made a library addition to Hildon
Desktop with C++ and utilizing STL containers and it worked without
problems. It might be also possible to create the whole project with C++
(and use Gtk+, not Gtkmm), but I haven't so far attempted to do that.

Anyhow, my favourite language used to be C++ out of the languages I know
(C, C++, Java, different basic variants on ancient times of 8 bit
computers etc.). However, the Python appears to be so nice that I don't
think much C++ currently as I am not doing anything resource hungry
stuff currently.

In order to run Python applications on the device, you and those who use
your packages, have to install Python - it is not included there by
default.

I have recently also been gettting familiar with D. There is no D
compiler in scratchbox unfortunately currently, so I am not able to use
it for writing applications for the Maemo. From resource efficient
compiled languages, it looks pretty elegant compared to the usual
messyness of C and C++ - very easy to read even somebody else's code.
So, I would suggest using Python now and C if you need to do something
low level stuff.

Best Wishes,
Karoliina


>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Alan Williamson
>Sent: 26 April, 2007 11:54
>To: maemo-users
>Subject: Choice of Programming Languages
>
>Good morning fellow N800'ers.
>
>I was wondering what my choices where for writing applications on the 
>N800 was.   Being a hard core Java junkie I am fully aware my 
>avenue is 
>cut off here.  So what are my other options?
>
>thanks
>
>--
>Alan Williamson
>   "a wiki -and- a blog" @ www.Blog-City.com
>
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Hildon Desktop for desktop Linux? Anybody tried yet?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

Has anybody tried to compile Hildon Desktop for their Linux (e.g.
Ubuntu?) yet?
Lucas and I have blogged about it sometime ago. Any
experiences/comments/questions/whatever to share?

The instructions written by Lucas can be found through my lauchpad
specification that I started
when Lucas got some progress on his port:
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hildon-desktop-for-ubuntu

I think the Hildon Desktop would be pretty good for use as user
interface for UMPCs,
tablet PCs etc. running some Linux distro (if operated using the touch
screen). Added benefit would
be that the applets/plugins made for Nokia devices would also run on the
PC and also the applets
made for the PC would run on the Nokia device (python applets would run
out of the box without recompilation even).

Best Regards,
Karoliina
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RE: Where does development environment run?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

The scratchbox is cross compilation environment for your PC.
Because of the limited space on the device, it is very hard to put the
development environment there and it would be very slow too. So the
compilation
usually happens on your PC where you can also test it until you see it
it finished
enough for testing on device. Then you simply copy the binary or package
to the device
and run it there. It is not hard.

Best Regards,
Karoliina
 

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: 12 April, 2007 20:08
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Where does development environment run?
>
>I'm not (yet) a maemo user, but a prospective one.
>
>Does the software development environment actually run on the 
>Nokis 770 or 800, or is it necessary to cross-compile from 
>another Linux machine (such as one of my my Debian etch PCs)
>
>-- hendrik
>
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RE: 4 gig SD

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi, 

>On Sat, Mar 24, 2007 at 09:37:10AM -0500, Willie McKemie wrote:
>> Today's Woot (http://woot.com) is a 4 gig SD card for $30.  Anyone 
>> know if they will work in the 800?
>
>I just received two of these.  Stuck one in the "removable" 
>slot to replace a 2 gig.  I haven't put anything on it, but it 
>says I have 3.82 gig available there.

Some cards indeed may work, but not all of them.
I played safe by getting two 2 GB cards.

>  What to do with over 7 
>gig of extra storage?

LOL :). I would have plenty of use for them, both my 2 GB cards
are already full - I am using the N800 (also) as music player.
I have also transferred images from my N93 occasionally to the device
and also of course use the cards for storage of PDFs, etc. 

Best Wishes
Karoliina
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RE: [maemo-users] editor

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

>> But I must say that the first thing that prevent to use the 
>device to 
>> do programm is the lack of a good editor adatpted to it.
>
>Slightly off-topic and maybe? a little bit flamebait, but I 
>have never found an editor adapted for programming that wasn't 
>a pain to use in UN*X.

You mean graphical editor or text mode editor?
I guess you dislike vi like I do, so here is a list of other editors:
Modern graphical UI:
- kate (KDE text editor, works fine on Gnome, this is my favourite, very
similar to UltraEdit editor on Windows)
- gedit (Gnome text editor, this has nearly the same feature set as
Kate, but some little
things are missing)

Older style graphical UI:
- XEmacs (Emacs for X, with non-standard UI)

Text mode editors:
- nano (small text mode editor which is easy to use)
- nano-tiny (about the same as nano, but smaller footprint)
- pico (looks pretty much the same as nano and is also easy to use, but
not very advanced
for programming, especially easy for those who have used pine text mode
mail program)
- emacs (the traditional editor for linux etc., some people love it,
some hate
it because of the commands being CTRL+X+CTRL+...+..., in my opinion
still a lot more
user friendly and intuitive than vi).
- then there is the vi and vim for those who have different modes in
their brain for
typing and moving the cursor. You can play Kraftwerk-robot with this
one.
Some love vi and some hate it.


>Of the top of my head it should be able to do:
>- Unicode (including double-width characters)

kate can do I guess

>- non-variable width fonts (having a variable width font in 

kate can do that too

>any kind of entry field is an accident waiting to happen)
>- undo

Of course kate has this

>- virtual word wrapping (and I do mean _words_, not wrapping 
>individual characters, like emacs does the latter)

I guess kate does this

>- If the new line after virtual word wrapping is still too 
>long, then insert a virtual linebreak inside it anyway, until 
>it's fitting into the width of the client area

I guess kate does this

>- syntax highlighting (a simple finite state machine dumpfile 
>is enough, ala "joe's own editor")

kate does this 

>- search / replace without 36 random reserved characters 
>(while regexps are nice, being _forced_ to use them is a pain, 
>especially when searching & replacing in a text that is itself 
>a regexp ;))

kate has search-replace which works perfectly to me

>- command line option to jump to line/column number on load

Well Kate don't have this most likely. However, when you
load the text, you can CTRL+G and type the line number where you want
to go.

>- interface for filling extra columns like:
>  - line number

kate has this

>  - breakpoint (modifyable)

you should check out some IDEs if you need breakpoints

>  - misc user-defined flag
>  - line currently debugging on

you should check out some IDEs if you need these

>  - (subversion) blame annotation

you should check out some IDEs if you need breakpoints

>  - (subversion) line last changed on date

you should check out some IDEs if you need breakpoints

>  - line the user is currently on

kate has this

>  - line the other people viewing this file are currently on

nope

>  - and so on...
>- folding of blocks

kate has this

>- virtual concatenation of files (I'd really prefer the 
>_filesystem_ to support that, but...)

??

>- every time someone writes "." and then pauses for 1 second, 
>call external tool (with all the text on stdin?)  (Intellisense :))

???

>- every time I press the Newline key in order to create a new 
>line, repeat the leading whitespace from the line I came from 
>on the new line (and I mean, exactly, not expanding tabs, not 
>grouping spaces into tabs, not trying to backstab me, ...)


kate puts indent characters there, which means spaces if the person
likes
to keep the file human readable with any editor / viewer etc.

>- keep the file open while editing, so it shows up inside 
>/proc//fd/ (or lsof). No really, nobody's gonna die of 
>that one file descriptor.
>- double-clicking on a word selects it. A word is delimited by 
>one of " )}]>". If one really must make it more complex, 
>ignore (only) trailing punctuation in that selection.

I think kate does pretty well with double click selecting, works about
the same
as in UltraEdit.

>User interface:
>- no (control-..., whatever) key combinations for essential stuff

The standard UI way in all modern desktop environments including Gnome,
KDE, Windows, MacOSX is:
CTRL-C for copy
CTRL-X for cut
CTRL-V for paste
I am pretty sure you want to have the standard CTRL-something keys on
place.

>- no mode-change keys (that means you, vi) (having to change 
>mode 5 times or more in 1 minute is too much) (that does 
>include not having "stuck" keys like Ctrl-K)

kate doesn't have different modes, it is always available

>- have function keys that actually do something (and I do mean 
>like Save, Search, ... and not inserting gibberish into the tex

RE: [maemo-users] N800 screen protector

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

This film on top of screen is supposed to be removed, it is like you
have
all screens, including monitors when you buy them, and it is not
supposed to be left there.
I kept mine sometime on there until it got scatched.

Best Wishes,
Karoliina
 

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Jonathan Greene
>Sent: 26 January, 2007 02:23
>To: Laurent MARTIN
>Cc: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] N800 screen protector
>
> I've kept my initial protecter on as well and it is actually 
>pretty scratched up after less than a week of use.  Seems the 
>stylus does quite a number on it when you are scrolling about. 
> There was a thread earlier in  week which listed some 
>solutions people have found.
>
>
>On 1/25/07, Laurent MARTIN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>>  First of all, I've received my brand new N800 today: the difference 
>> with my ~old~ N770 is impressive!
>>
>>  This may sound as a stupid question but... I've noticed 
>that, out of 
>> the box, the screen was protected by a screen protector which can be 
>> removed using by a sticker (?) at bottom left. Is this 
>really a screen 
>> protector which is supposed to be used every day, or  simply a 
>> protector film to removed at first use? I've kept mine but 
>removed the 
>> sticker: the N800 is usable like that even if some on-screen 
>keys are sometime repeated twice.
>> What do other users think? Have you kept the protection too? TIA.
>>
>>  Laurent, in Nantes (France).
>>
>>  PS: The new responsiveness is really incredible!
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RE: [maemo-users] Some Thoughts Regarding IT OS 2007 and the N800

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

>I'd vote for the ability to change that as even some English 
>people use 24hr clocks (when they can) ;)
>
>Speaking of which, would it be that much extra effort to let 
>people change the individual regional settings (e.g. decimal 
>separator, date format). I can think of times when one might 
>want to not have this specified (e.g. If I were an American 
>living in Germany I might always want to use a US style date, 
>but also a comma as a decimal separator). I'm sure there must 
>be better illustrations that that one mind you!

In general:
Customizability is very nice, but how to implement that in clean simple
way btw? 
Meaning so that it does not increase
too much complexity for those who don't want to customize?

Best Wishes,
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RE: [maemo-users] Some Thoughts Regarding IT OS 2007 and the N800

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,
 
>Regarding 12- 24-hour time, I recommend, for the next update, 
>you provide the ability of the user to choose which they 
>desire.

I was kind of campaigning for that back then it was specified (when we
were making
the 770), however, not everybody did agree with me and it was not me
that was
going to decide it anyway, so it is thus the way it is now - English ->
12 hour clock
Finnish -> 24 hour clock.

>  Military personnel in the US, for example, use a 
>24-hour clock as do many international corporations.  Visitors 
>to the US may see the N800 and decide to purchase one at a 
>local CompUSA and be disappointed that it uses US time.  

Well, I use English language on my N93 and it does the same thing and it
is pretty
odd for me since I would prefer to use English + 24 hour clock and I
have used to
the 24 hour clock. But one can't ever get everything and it is not
possible to please 
everybody always at the same time.

Best Regards,
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RE: brightness Re: [maemo-users] Re: Storage/Sleep Issues..

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

>> > Nothinig prevents you from creating a sysfs entry wich returns
>> > 
>> > tahvo_get_backlight_level()
>> > 
>> > or even a proc one, if you really are into that sort of thing.
>> 
>> There is such entry - 
>> /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level

One related thing would interest me:
- would it be possible to crank the level up further than the 127 the 
number in /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level states when
the
display plugin has the maximum setting?
As I am part of the engine monitor and EFIS project, I would be
interested
if there would be some way to increase the daylight readability in
challenging
environment with direct sunlight hitting the screen on airplane panel
through
a clear canopy above the clouds where there is nothing blocking the
sunlight coming
with full power directly to the display where you are supposed to see
some gauges.
The N800 display already is somewhat better than the N770 for that, but
more would
be of course always better than less taking in addition that panel
mounted airplane 
EFIS displays commercially available use ultra high brightness displays.

In this environment the battery consumption is non-issue because
the device is plugged all the time to charger. Ok, it might be also so
that
the 127 is the maximum the physical display panel can output and no more
can be
achieved, but I was just wondering if it wasn't. This may be fruitless
speculation, but
I would be glad if anybody of the hw gurus could enlighten me some? Thx.

Best Regards,
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RE: [maemo-users] Bah! white screen of death

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

I have noticed that sometimes indeed the device doesn't boot up if the
battery is low and the reboot cycle may feel weird. However, you should
see the Nokia text on this white screen anyway in that case. If nothing
can be seen, then the problem might be more trickier one.

Software related problems (in case of your flash image would be
corrupted for some weird reason etc.) can be solved in most cases with
reflashing. Reflashing successfully done but not helping to the problem
is an indication of a hardware fault.

However, if nothing helps and the symptoms don't go away with reflashing
etc. and most importantly the device boots up on a freshly flashed
device normally (you can hear the Nokia tune, but not see), but the
screen stays blank white, then you may have a hardware problem
unfortunately and you may need to take it to service.

Best Wishes,
Karoliina


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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Rainer Dorsch
>Sent: 31 August, 2006 11:17
>To: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Bah! white screen of death
>
>I had something similar:
>
>After switching on, it whitescreened and switched off again.
>
>Recharging the device helped for me. Though not sure, if that 
>is your problem as well.
>
>Thanks,
>Rainer
>
>Am Mittwoch, 30. August 2006 22:47 schrieb Bob Crawford:
>> George Farris wrote:
>> >F**K, my 770 just white screened.  Any new tips besides 
>sending it back.
>>
>> Does it reboot if you hold the power-button down for a while?
>> Pull battery?
>> Can it take a reflash?
>>
>> (sorry if these are of no help...)
>
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RE: [maemo-users] Startrek theme for 770

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

Me too, me too!!

Now please :)

Best Wishes,
Karoliina
 

>-Original Message-
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>Komulainen
>Sent: 25 August, 2006 10:05
>To: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Startrek theme for 770
>
>On Thu, 2006-08-24 at 22:34 +0200, ext David Lapetina wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've release as a tarball my first version of the startrek theme I'm 
>> working on.
>> You can find it at this adress :
>> http://test.lapetina.org/startrek-0.0.1.tar
>> 
>> Any feed back will be great.
>
>Screenshots! Need to see screenshots! :)
>
>
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RE: [maemo-users] should I disable lifeguard-reset?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

>On Mon, 2006-08-21 at 12:18 +0200, Armin M. Warda wrote:
>
>> Besides just being able to disable/enable the lifeguard, to me it 
>> would even make sense if the N770 would support another setting, in 
>> which it only would advice the user that an essential component just 
>> failed and a reboot would probably fix the problem.
>
>I just installed a bunch of applications and now the device is 
>in reboot cycle. The only desktop applet i installed was 
>gnomeweather, so i think it might be responsible for this. As 
>a new feature for Karoliina i'd suggest either:
>
>1)
>Dialog that tells user if a essential component has been 
>killed and restart it. Gnome panel is a good example - If it 
>crashes, it restarts itself. If a panel applet crashes, panel 
>prompts user if he/she wishes to restart the applet or remove 
>it from panel.

In Gnome panel applets are in separate processes.
In our case the applets run in the same process as the panel itself,
so if a crash occurs the whole Maemo Desktop crashes -> reboot.
They are together to save memory (RAM).

>
>2)
>"Safe mode". If the device reboots two times spontaniously it 
>could do some sanity checks and for example disable all extra 
>desktop applets. 

A bit like this kind of safety mechanism for applets will come to
sardine.

Best Wishes
Karoliina
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[maemo-users] RE: [maemo-developers] Future features for Maemo Desktop (TaskNavigator, Home, Status bar)?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

Thanks for so far your replies, I have got a large number of feature
proposals already.

I am still accepting feature ideas to my roadmap, so please keep on
posting them on the list. What would you wish from your dream-device in
terms of UI framework (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar, Control panel)?
Is there something you would like to have done better or something that
you'd like to have to be done in a completely different way? Don't limit
your imagination to how e.g. Task Navigator works now, but think how it
would ideally work, without the limits? What would be ultra-cool there?
Please think it also out of context of the current hardware, you can
suggest also ideas that would be nice on the platform despite they
aren't really realistic with the current 770 hardware. Any cool ideas
are warmly welcome.

Thanks!

Best Wishes,
Karoliina Salminen
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RE: [maemo-users] Future features for Maemo Desktop (Task Navigator, Home, Status bar)?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

Thanks for your feature proposals for Maemo Desktop so far.
I'll be collecting them next week, so please keep posting them over the
weekend.

I am glad to note that some of the proposed features are by the way
already being implemented to Sardine. But more on that later. 

Anything about the basic usability of Task Navigator & Status bar combo
for example. Would you like to see some other kind of arrangement or is
this current one good? Also how about the application switcher, would
you like it to be something different or are you happy with the current
one, if you would like it to be different, please describe how?

Please keep posting your ideas, your opinion does matter!

Best Wishes,
Karoliina
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RE: [maemo-users] Not enough memory to show a PDF file

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

What you could do is to enable swap on MMC and try again.
If it works with the swap enabled, for some reason you are entering
in low memory situation sooner now than before. Did you test it
with no other programs running?

However, if the problem doesn't go away even with swap enabled, 
it might be a bug..

Br,
Karoliina


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>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] Not enough memory to show a PDF file
>
>By the way, I can provide the PDF file under request for 
>testing purposes (it is not available if you don't have a IEEE 
>account).
>
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RE: [maemo-users] SHOUTCAST on 770

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

It should work. Is your network connection ok?
I have been streaming all the time music from shoutcast.com with my 770.
 
Best Regards,
Karoliina
 

I am trying to listen to one of the music streams from here
http://www.shoutcast.com/.
770 downloads a playing list, launches audio player, starts
buffering the audio stream, 
plays the music for one second and than stops with a message:

Unable to perform operation. Try again.



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RE: [maemo-users] hildon-status-bar

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

We are planning to do plugin management for hildon-status-bar, which
means priorization of the plugins plus means to select which plugins to
display and
which to not display. This is unfortunately not yet coming on the next
software update though
(which brings VOIP and IM).

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen


>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext booiiing
>Sent: 18 February, 2006 21:11
>To: maemo-users
>Subject: [maemo-users] hildon-status-bar
>
>hello folks,
>
>there are some nice additional plugins for the 
>hildon-status-bar available. on the other hand i would like to 
>disable the display-plugin (and perhaps the sound-plugin) 
>because i just don't need them.
>
>i managed to remove them from the bar by moving their 
>libraries (acutally renaming them to -disabled). 
>unfortunately, the other plugins don't use the free space and 
>are still out of sight.
>i also searched the filesystem for configuration-files, but i 
>found nothing appropriate. :(
>
>is there any way to configure the position of the plugins or 
>is this done in the code?
>
>kind regards,
>booiiing
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RE: [maemo-users] risk of gain root on new devices

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

On a non-defect device you should have no problems. If you have a broken
device, then you need
to get your device replaced because hacking its software should not
cause the hardware to fail,
gaining root / setting rd-mode etc. should not cause any problems for
the display as they have no direct connection with each other. If
someone has hardware problem, it is not necessarily 
related to gaining root, it may be then just coincidental that it
appeared with the rd-mode
setting.

Br,
Karoliina


>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Christian Lange
>Sent: 20 January, 2006 10:13
>To: maemo-users
>Subject: RE: [maemo-users] risk of gain root on new devices
>
>Many thanks for the fast reply. I will study your blog.
>
>I stumbled on the following thread, so i thougt it would be 
>better to ask first ...
>
>http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-January/000474.html
>
>In the mentioned thread reflashing does not help.
>
>Regards
>
>Christian
>
>
>
>Am Fr 20.01.2006 08:58 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I am upgrading my device all the time to the latest release 
>allthough 
>> I am using a internal rootimage that has xterm already installed and 
>> gaining root haven't been a problem so far, it always works. 
>We have 4 
>> of these devices in active use in our household (2 
>prototypes and two 
>> final retail devices) and never encountered any problem you 
>described.
>> Just follow the instructions, the worst you can end up is need to 
>> reflash the device, but that you can do anyway assuming if you are 
>> seeking for root. I have some additional instructions in my blog 
>> allthough those are already covered in the maemo wiki 
>nowadays (I just 
>> checked what is told in maemo wiki and it seems to describe 
>> everything). Have fun with root :).
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Karoliina Salminen
>> http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Christian 
>> >Lange
>> >Sent: 20 January, 2006 09:44
>> >To: maemo-users
>> >Subject: Re: [maemo-users] risk of gain root on new devices
>> >
>> >Sorry, i was too fast. There were two lines missing ...
>> >
>> >> Hello,
>> >> 
>> >> after wating about 5 weeks i now have my 770. I read that
>> >there might
>> >> be problems (hardware failure) when trying to become root 
>> >> (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot).
>> >> 
>> >> I have firmware version 3.2005.51-13, now my question:
>> >> 
>> >> Has anyone successfully become root as desribe in the wiki
>> >
>> >- with a new 770 (from January 2006)
>> >
>> >- with this firmware version: 3.2005.51-13
>> >
>> >I don't want to risk to kill the 770 knowingly the existing 
>problems.
>> >But: no root, no fun
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Christian
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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RE: [maemo-users] risk of gain root on new devices

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

I am upgrading my device all the time to the latest release allthough I
am using
a internal rootimage that has xterm already installed and gaining root
haven't been
a problem so far, it always works. We have 4 of these devices in active
use in our household (2 prototypes and two final retail devices) and
never encountered any problem you described. 
Just follow the instructions, the worst you can end up is need to
reflash the device, 
but that you can do anyway assuming if you are seeking for root. I have
some additional
instructions in my blog allthough those are already covered in the maemo
wiki nowadays (I just checked what is told in maemo wiki and it seems to
describe everything). Have fun with
root :).

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog

 

>-Original Message-
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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Christian Lange
>Sent: 20 January, 2006 09:44
>To: maemo-users
>Subject: Re: [maemo-users] risk of gain root on new devices
>
>Sorry, i was too fast. There were two lines missing ...
>
>> Hello,
>> 
>> after wating about 5 weeks i now have my 770. I read that 
>there might 
>> be problems (hardware failure) when trying to become root 
>> (http://maemo.org/maemowiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot).
>> 
>> I have firmware version 3.2005.51-13, now my question:
>> 
>> Has anyone successfully become root as desribe in the wiki
>
>- with a new 770 (from January 2006)
>
>- with this firmware version: 3.2005.51-13
>
>I don't want to risk to kill the 770 knowingly the existing problems. 
>But: no root, no fun
>
>Regards
>
>Christian
>
>
>
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RE: [maemo-users] Linux flasher not working

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

 >with the power plugged in. If you have the power plugged, try 
>to remove it (just have the 770 battery enough charged).

Indeed, I usually have power plug disconnected when I flash, I work with
the battery alone,
because it is fastest to also reboot by dropping the battery away (I
have opened the battery
compartment already when I start, so I can just tap the device and the
battery drops to my left hand).

Best Wishes,
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RE: [maemo-users] How can I copy file to my MMC card on linux?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

I usually put the RS-MMC card to a RS-MMC reader and connect the
RS-MMC reader to my Linux laptop with USB. It automatically mounts to 
the "Places" -menu in Gnome (I am using Ubuntu Dapper and Gnome 2.13.2
but
it works similarly also in older versions, it worked fine already on
Hoary and Breezy).
In KDE it may be different and you might end up hand-mounting it from
console
(I have done that with some past Suse version, I have used versions 9.0,
9.1, 9.2, 9.3 so far
and I am going to install soon the 10.0). However, with a quite up to
date Linux you
should not have any problems with mounting. I don't mount the 770
directly (so that the
card would be inside the device) because my 770 is usually in
usb-host-mode because I use
to connect a USB-network adapter to the USB of 770 (there is obviously a
powered
USB hub in between a USB gender changer adapter).

If you don't have a card reader, I think it would be a good investment
to do.
They are failly inexpensive and support a wide variety of cards, like
SD, MMC, RS-MMC,
Compact flash etc.

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen

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RE: [maemo-users] Radio stations for Nokia 770?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

I have been listening to shoutcast streams by myself.

Just type URL http://www.shoutcast.com to the browser, select
your station, let the browser open the audio player and it will start
streaming.

Today I have been listening to for example this:
http://www.shoutcast.com/sbin/shoutcast-playlist.pls?rn=6100&file=filename.pls

You need to be connected to WLAN to stream these since many of them are >128 
kbit/s,
some are 192 kbit/s. Here in office it is however easy to stream uninterrupted 
by carrying 770
around.

You can also stream non-radio streams indie music e.g. from 
http://www.ampcast.com/
( my music is there too, under http://www.ampcast.com/karoliina  ;D ).

I am not very aware of today's hits, but there are many commercial
radio stations out there that play popular pop-music.

Best Wishes,
Karoliina Salminen


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>Manrique Lopez de la Fuente
>Sent: 24 November, 2005 15:55
>To: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: [maemo-users] Radio stations for Nokia 770?
>
>Hello,
>
>Is there any list or links of radio streamings for the Nokia 770?
>
>Thanks,
>--
>J. Manrique López de la Fuente
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RE: [maemo-users] Bluetooth connection to SonyEricsson T630

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

Are you using it in the right way:

- GPRS settings are in the 770
- No GPRS settings in the phone needed
- Apparently you have paired the devices ok
- The 770 is set trusted in the bluetooth settings of your phone
- And you have double checked that the GPRS settings in your 770 are
compatible with your operator (because the settings in your phone are
not involved). In other words, the settings are exactly the same than in
your PDA/Notebook?

Best Regards,
Karoliina

 

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>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ext Luca Donaggio
>Sent: 08 November, 2005 18:48
>To: maemo-users@maemo.org
>Subject: [maemo-users] Bluetooth connection to SonyEricsson T630
>
>I've just recieved my brand new N770!
>First thing I've tried to do has been connecting to the 'net 
>via bluetooth using my SonyEricsson mobile phone and ... it 
>just doesn't work :-( !
>I can browse the internal memory of my phone using the File 
>Manager, so I don't think it's a bluetooth problem; when I try 
>connecting to the Internet I can see the bluetooth icon 
>activating on the phone but that's all... N770 sayng it can't 
>connect. I tried even doing that in non-packet mode (as I used 
>to in pre-gprs days), but to no success, it doesn't even start 
>composing the phone number!
>Anybody with non-nokia phones out there with the same problem? 
>I know it's reported to work with nokia phones, and I was 
>wondering if it was my SonyEricsson's fault (which is kind of 
>strange, because I use it regularly to browse the 'net with my 
>PDA and Notebook)!
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RE: [maemo-users] Can the toolchain destroy my linux installation?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hello,

If you install scratchbox by following the instructions and in case of
uninstall,
do it cleanly with following the instructions (that all can be found
e.g. from
www.scratchbox.org in addition to the instructions in maemo.org), you
should have no problems. 
Please be sure that you edit correct sources.list though (_inside_ the
scratchbox)... 
I once edited the sources.list of my Ubuntu
to get source packages from maemo repository with apt-get (outside
scratchbox) and
next time when I did dist-upgrade, I forgot to remove the additional
repositories and
everyone can guess what happened... Fortunately it didn't take that long
time to
reinstall Ubuntu (the most painless Linux installation I have seen) and
updating it 
always works flawlessly (and is pretty quick too), so it was back up and
running
in few hours (it did not worth trying to resolve the installed broken
packages by hand,
so I reinstalled everything back then).

There is room for another little mistake. When you install the rootsrap,

be sure to do it _inside_ the scratchbox (meaning that
you are not only in your scratchbox home directory but logged inside the
SB)! :D

Anyway, congratulations, and have fun!

Best Wishes,
Karoliina Salminen


>-Original Message-
>I would like to start coding for the 770 I receive today (hope 
>so, please please please), so I plan to install the 
>arm-toolchain available.
>Is there any danger in installing it, so that it maybe would 
>destroy my linux installation anyhow?
>
>Thank you in advance, lg Clemens
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OT: mp3.com & indie stuff to feed 770's audio player WAS: RE: [maemo-users] Opensource software for Itunes

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

 > On the other hand, since the leader of this effort, Michael Robertson
has been down this "road" (that is, going against the music  > copyright
owners interests) before, with another  company he established, mp3.com,

 
Hello,
 
This is maybe a bit off-topic to your comment/question (sorry for thread
hijacking...)
(other than that the excellent Nokia 770 device can of course be used
with indie music providers, and the commercial
providers aren't all music that is available out there in the Internet -
e.g. 770 can stream nicely from e.g. http://www.ampcast.com e.g.
my music (and it does not cost anything)), but I would like to correct
one detail in your comment because you forgot the indie artists:
I (for example among other numerous indie artists) had my music in
mp3.com as long as it existed
and Michael Robertson or mp3.com was never with that against copyright
owner's interests (as I am the copyright owner
for my music which is released under Creative Commons license). 
After the closure of mp3.com I had to move to ampcast.com completely
(where my (free) music still is).
I tend nowadays listen to indie music a lot more than commercial music.
Back some years ago I got bored to the
commercial music available (I especially love the old style of
Jean-Michel Jarre, and that is not available commercially from other
than the master himself and the selection is a bit limited) 
and then I looked elsewhere and have been quite happy ever since about
it - actually that was the innovator for me starting to do music on that
style on myself too, to fullfil the gap and help people that want more
and more Oxygene/Equinoxe :). Actually the previous
CDs I have purchased have been quite exclusively Indie CDs from e.g.
ampcast.com or the ex-mp3.com
and by following many indie artists I never run out of fresh music to
place on the memory card of the 770 (I am using currently
256 MB cards, but planning to go for 1 GB cards as soon as they become
available). When applying patches, listening
to Triple Tuned for example is quite inspiring high quality trance-genre
stuff, 
keeps heart beat up enough :). Ah well, actually last Christmas
I purchased one commercial CD for my partner as a Christmas present (in
addition to the Jarre's Aero which is a must-DVD
for any fan into that style btw). As our surprise it did not work in
neither of our DVD players (actually we have three in addition to the
N+1 DVD drives on N+1 computer but the third standalone player is
broken), it had some weird copy protection and it did not work with our
Sony DVD 
player which is a pretty funny since the protection was developed
by Sony... I could rant more about this in my blog anyway, better to
stop now on this forum, as I said, is a bit unrelated...
 
Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
http://www.karoliinasalminen.com/blog
 
 
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RE: [maemo-users] RS MMC or dual voltage RS MMC cards for N770?

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

Nice to hear that it works. I was just going to ask from the HW guys but it 
seems
that I got the answer already :).
Actually I was planning to buy a 256 or 512 MB RS MMC
by myself too, since I would like to use my prototype for listening to music - 
the
sound quality of the headphone preamp is quite good, considering that I am using
high impedance headphones that are more demanding than average - Sennheiser 
HD-600.

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
karoliina.t.salminen AT NOKIA DOT COM




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Subject: Re: [maemo-users] RS MMC or dual voltage RS MMC cards for N770?
 
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> needs the Nokia 770 dual voltage RS MMC cards, like some Nokia cell phones, 
> or 
> work normal RS MMC cards too? 

The hardware workers of Nokia can for sure comment more exactly on this
topic but I would say no, you do not need to buy extra dual voltage cards.
For a test we bought a pretty standard RS-MCC from the next supermarket
(256MB) and it worked just fine.

> Regards
> Bernd Lachner
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RE: [maemo-users] maemo 1.0 only supports Scratchbox 0.9.8.4

[Karoliina.T.Salminen]

Hi,

In my personal opinion, you can continue using Scratchbox 1.0.1 since it works 
with that
mostly without problems, and if there are problems, there are workarounds for
them. For example I have had sometimes a problem that I can't use scp from 
inside
scratchbox, but the solution have been to edit /etc/passwd file inside 
scratchbox
so that you actually copy-paste the your username's line from your host 
machine's
/etc/passwd file and after that it have worked flawlessly. 
I have been using Scratchbox >1.0 all the time, never used extensively 0.9.8.4. 
I tried first the older versions, had a problems with them (actually they
did not work with my Suse Linux installation back then) but after switching to 
1.0.1
(that I run on Ubuntu Breezy) I have never had any problems with the maemo 
environment
other than what I have mentioned above.
The versions greater than 1.0 are a lot more convenient to use than the earlier
versions, the sb-menu makes life a lot easier, it does everything automatically,
even extracts the rootstrap if you place the rootstrap to /scratchbox/packages 
directory.
You said you are a user - ok, but if you would be a developer, development done
under newer Scratchbox versions is compatible with the older versions allthough
to include the package to the maemo, the integrator may need to rerun the 
autogen.sh
of your package, otherwise there shouldn't be much problems.

I do not recommend downgrading your Scratchbox versions since you may run into
problems with the downgrade (if you do it wrongly, you may end up having 
problems
to get scratchbox working at all). Safer to keep the version you have now 
installed.

DISCLAIMER: This is my personal opinion based on my experience with Scratchbox 
1.0.1 
and someone else's opinion may and most likely will differ from that.

Best Regards,
Karoliina Salminen
karoliina.t.salminen AT NOKIA DOT COM


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of ext Tony
Sent: Sun 7/10/2005 10:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [maemo-users] maemo 1.0 only supports Scratchbox 0.9.8.4
 
I went through the installation of scratchbox using their deb
repository on Ubuntu.  After doing so I installed scratchbox 1.0.1 and
all went OK.  After doing so I started on the installation of maemo
and there is a notice that reads...

"The current version, maemo 1.0 only supports Scratchbox 0.9.8.4.
Using the software with Scratchbox 1.0 may cause troubles, hence we do
not recommend it!"

Is this still the situation?  I assume that if I am going to install
this version of scratchbox I should uninstall version 1.0.1 and then
install the older version 0.9.8.4 from source?

I am not a developer.  I am interested to see what Maemo has to offer
by trying it out in the scratchbox in anticipation of Nokia's 770
being released soon.  Will Maemo be updated to use scratchbox 1.0.1
soon?

Tony
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